protection

[lusty tiger]

Pls help im baking chicken thighs with no thermometer

[prisma crane]

there we go

https://tenor.com/view/cod-mw2-cod-mw2ghost-cod-ghost-ghost-stare-stare-gif-27067874

this is how people read the last 40 min

[gray wolf]

i wouldn't doubt it

[prisma crane]

i'd be fucking lying though if i said i've never been involved in debates like that

so as a spectator mostly this time....

[trail crow]

If "Blindly obeying sims stat distribution is bad" is the hot take I go down for, I'm comfortable with that lol

[prisma crane]

to be fair, no one said that without some form of disclaimer

[silent sapphire]

[warm plinth]

Just make medium rare chicken thighs

[prisma crane]

most agree haste is best

[trail crow]

[prisma crane]

but if going for PURE sim damage, follow the sim, that's it

[trail crow]

Of course.

[prisma crane]

that's the whole argument

haste just does both sides of the coin better than others, and then you can make arguments over how important either side of said coin is, and that gets circumstantial

if you're a shit player, haste/vers is best for you

[lusty tiger]

From my research 40 min at 375• for smaller thighs seems like the play

[prisma crane]

because they protect yourself the best against being bad

[sick sentinel]

gotta run legacy and brackenhide

[prisma crane]

even mastery gains value in that scenario

[trail crow]

I don't think that's even incongruent with the argument I'm making tbh. If crit/vers ended up being our best throughput stats, we'd still likely run a fair bit of Haste, especially when we're lower geared, because it forklifts survivability a bit.

[prisma crane]

air fryer has changed the game forme

[trail crow]

I want an air fryer for nuggies.

[loud patrol]

i have an air fryer for nuggies, dino nuggies

[prisma crane]

sure, but for many they dont care about surv because it's binary and if played very well, that binary doesn't really come in to play right now

[solid granite]

i would do almost anything for nuggies rn

[prisma crane]

im gettin sushi after the gym today, it's decided

[trail crow]

Which is why I was trying to be careful to qualify my argument to a very specific audience in progression. Now whether or not that's a fair qualification, I'm amicable on.

[solid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/laina-overlyattached-girlfriend-sexy-gif-5129504

[prisma crane]

and i think the fair counterpoint is that the situation you described is probably more appropriate to less top end players than top end players, when skill of play and agency over gear options comes into play

[solid granite]

buuuuuut nuggies 😦

[trail crow]

It's going to be hard to have this argument in good faith until logs come out from the new raid, because our shield block uptime has improved substantially baseline. If we see RWF/HOF players shedding copious amounts of haste because we simply do not need the survivability, then my argument would hold no weight.

[prisma crane]

that said, i think stuff like vers and mastery only really can make up for bad play when you have a STUPID amount of it, like we had in BFA w/ corruption, which isnt practical, particularly now that they've added that stupid DR on secondaries

[trail crow]

Oh, no disagreement there.

[solid granite]

Just like cars, faster is better no?

[prisma crane]

and yea, to that point, with current talents, the haste we used to need to maintain SB just isnt as high anymore, so the D value dropped a lot

that's what i tell my GF

[trail crow]

I saw it most prevalently on Brew, where our DPS and Survivability diverge pretty substantially in stat distribution. And Sire was absolutely a boss where if you hit him early on and with less gear than most guilds tackled him with, you would get dicked up and down trying to live some very specific portions of the fight. And we knew this very early, so we were able to mitigate this by the time we made it there a bit.

[solid granite]

oof

[trail crow]

I would argue that watching literal RWF tanks get ragdolled on that fight is a pretty good indicator that there's some value in survivability. I can only muse at how they solved the issue-- a robust defensive rotation was likely already in place by then 10th pull. At some point it comes down to gearing to help smooth out that damage curve in those pain points.

[prisma crane]

not necessarily

RWF, strats, externals, personals, etc, they all come into play

timings literally can change 100 pulls in with a hotfix

they dont really have much agency over their gear

[solid granite]

inb4 rwf racers play prot pally and vdh

[prisma crane]

i guess for your own sake you can watch some tanks this time around to see how it goes and how they think

personally, as someone who only tanks, i find watching tanks in raids boring AF lol

[sage granite]

Do we take the damage on tanking cobalt ring for m+ next week?

or*

[prisma crane]

i like to watch Rigg because i'm a fan and root for them a bit, but otherwise i like to watch Zaelia a lot tbh

[pallid quiver]

It's been fixed and there's currently no estimated threats to our life, so yeah

[sage granite]

so damage?

[prisma crane]

yes

it does a lot of dmg

[sage granite]

thanks troops

[prisma crane]

oh

[solid granite]

yeah, turtle trinket & ring does a boatload of damage

[prisma crane]

i read that wrong

i meant the dmg ring

not the one that procs from taking dmg

[grizzled nova]

barring massive gaps in tank dps, rwf teams almost always pick their tanks in the negative - they take the ones that provide a raid buff/utility because the dps/heals for that class are suboptimal

[lusty tiger]

It IS a convection oven too

[prisma crane]

pretty much

[prisma crane]

very nice

[solid granite]

so, brm & prot pally

[prisma crane]

well friends, im off for a while, have a good one! 🙂 i miss hanging out in here all the time

[pallid quiver]

take care, krotos

don't be a stranger

[prisma crane]

[lusty tiger]

Peace out

[quick swan]

Ww is strong rn probs prot pala prot warrior

[inland raft]

any was for dragonflight to grab in particular?

[brave temple]

What tanks are gonna be like good other than prot warrior?

[fast knot]

Every tank lol

Whatever you can maximize to do as much damage as possible without compromising externals or causing excessive healer duress

Although to be fair damage intake is a healer issue

[brave temple]

this is the answer i was looking for 😂

[fast knot]

Assuming you use your tools to help them out of course

Not having Block up and getting clapped is a you thing 🤪

[pallid quiver]

Like, the only tank that can be considered maybe struggling on its own is Prot Pally. Maybe Brew if things hit a little too hard. And even Prot Pally is mad solid. You literally cannot choose wrong with any tank. The bigger choice of tank picks for M+/Raid will likely be for utility/buff pickups

Like Vengeance DH may not get picked up simply because Havoc is strong, so you don't need them for the raid buff

[slim dove]

all good but ultimately play the tank you enjoy playing

[pallid quiver]

even though Veng is still really solid

[fast knot]

Was gonna say Brm is kind of involved and will need some assistance in keys for giga spikes

[pallid quiver]

but they do big dam, even after some of their hits to it, iirc

[fast knot]

SMBG was the big one from testing, our Brm was getting absolutely dumpstered through pretty much everything on a 15

[pallid quiver]

We'll be higher geared than we were for testing, and from what I remember Stagger scales heavily with Agility, so we'll see how smooth their intake is once it hits live. I assume they'll still be the squishiest tank, though

[shell coral]

what phial should we be using? Tepid vers?

[pallid quiver]

Glacial Fury for sure in M+ unless it gets tuned out of nowhere

Raid is probably... glacial fury again or maybe static empowerment, I think Nome was messing with in beta

[solid granite]

Prot pally is lowkey a secret favorite of many high m+ players, so i'm not sure how you get to the protpally struggling

[pallid quiver]

they're not really struggling

[shell coral]

thank you!

[edgy grail]

Favorite doesnt mean shit tho

[pallid quiver]

they just, like, take a bit more damage and don't deal as much and don't provide utility holy paladins or ret won't give

They're still really good

[edgy grail]

I agree it’s not struggling

[solid granite]

Like, the only tank that can be considered maybe struggling on its own is Prot Pally.
dis you?

[pallid quiver]

"can be considered"
"maybe struggling"

Those first modifiers mean a lot

I think it's fine, but takes more damage than other tanks

and if you're rocking a holy paladin, it offers less utility

I see it more likely for groups to not bring an Arms or Fury Warrior compared to not a Holy Paladin, for example

so battle shout from a prot war would be in higher demand

It is still better than some tanks have been in multiple patches prior. I personally don't think you can consider any tank to actually be struggling, but if I had to pick one, I guess it'd be Prot Pal for reasons not even related to it on its own

[onyx briar]

How good is leech? I know it's not a stat that can be aimed for per say, but there's some enchants and gems that give leech. I'm at 11% right now, just wondering how good it is for us.

[solid granite]

dunno, disagree. As is, BRM plays like ass and was just nerfed, so dunno

[pallid quiver]

It's a nice to have

[edgy grail]

Yep imo brm is in the worst spot rn

[pallid quiver]

Brew'd be my other one to pick to start dropping early because it takes the most amount of damage, but it has more utility it can bring with its raid buff and Windwalkers and Mist not as likely to be picked up in general, and it does more damage than Prot Pal. They're the two I consider closest to struggling, but I don't think either really are. I've heard Brew got survivability buffs/damage nerfs, though, and I have no idea how big those are

They'd have to do a lot to cripple it, though. Again, I don't think any tank is actually struggling at all, and their picks will mostly be determined by filling raid buffs or utility

[solid granite]

ww is mega, brm is not

[pallid quiver]

oh but DK's struggle bus if you're bad, i can say that

holy hell that damage if you don't manage D&D and bone shield stacks

[solid granite]

assuming that anyone is bad is a really good argument...not

[pallid quiver]

That's why I say DKs are good

because they are

but they have a higher skill floor than prot war atm

[fading tide]

What about vengeance

[rancid iris]

Someone from my M+ group was asking why we dont take disrupting shout, I told them I am a discord slave and copy pasterino what the meta build it. Can you see dungeons that may require the AoE Silence?

[pallid quiver]

Vengeance is, like all tanks, very solid. Only issue is people love Havoc right now, so you won't be grabbed for that raid buff purpose

[solid granite]

yes, and brm is exactly not that. The 50% hp buff is a nerf to brm. And with no changes, brm is just ass.

[pallid quiver]

Not particularly with how pulls are shaping out in current M+ rotation. Mobs either are static with non interruptible casts or you don't want to pull that many

[fast knot]

If you want to stop a pack from casting and they aren't Lieutenants Shockwave fills that

Unless you're one of those people that run it for dps

[pallid quiver]

Disrupting Shout's niche is to gather widespread caster mobs

Also, you need all the mobs to be casting at the same time, as it's an interrupt, not a silence directly

[sick sentinel]

is this the new blade kit bad tank trinket 2.0?

[oblique quarry]

Did our talents get adjusted after the nerf to the ignore pain talent?

[pallid quiver]

So if they cast, then maybe use something unable to interrupted, or... it can be awkward to use. It's worth knowing it exists, but it's a personal choice.

[pallid quiver]

But the bug is more notable than the nerf/buff

[sick sentinel]

it looks bad on paper to me

[fast knot]

Am I actually a bone head in not knowing that existed

[pallid quiver]

Knowing what existed? The pins?

[sick sentinel]

wont be in m+ next week cuz its from legacy

[fast knot]

Disrupting Shout lol

[pallid quiver]

If so, I don't think so if you've never been told to look for pins before. Like, you don't know what you don't know.

Same with Disrupting in that case

It's, like, not a notable case scenario, so we don't discuss it, and I assume most people don't sit down and read all the dozens of talents that exist

It specifically being a interrupt makes it kiiiinda more awkward to use than people would like for some pulls

You can also achieve the same purpose with LoS in many scenarios, as well

[rancid iris]

I have a buddy in my m+ group that loves to read everything, ill let him know its an interupt not a silence

yeah the Los situation is what I though of first

[sick sentinel]

disrupting shout isn't good most of the time but there will be times where it is situationally useful

[weary python]

Gotta go ilevel here, right?

[rancid iris]

Ill keep an eye out for dungies that I might want the shout in, but baseline I am just rocking the usual build

[sick sentinel]

ilvl for weapon always

don't compare stats unless same ilvl

[weary python]

alrighty

[sick sentinel]

i mean to say, haste versa crit mastery, leech too, throw all those out the window if shield/weapon higher ilvl upgrade

[trim bay]

does bushwackers compass only proc in dungeons?

[sick sentinel]

i can tell u in like, 5 minutes

[uneven mason]

The ilvl rule applies to all armor slots

[sick sentinel]

on weapon and shggield and some trinkets ilvl is pure king

[errant shuttle]

even for a haste piece vs nohaste ?

[uneven mason]

Or all STR slots

So basically the only time you're going to vary from the ilvl > all rules are on ring/neck/trinket

and the basis of this is because of how strong STR is for us

Rings/Neck you can probably drop a few ilvl to have high haste vs a no haste item

but I wouldn't go past 5-10

[errant shuttle]

okok thx 😄 for me there was a point where the haste was better than ( for exemple ) 5-8ilvl on a piece

[uneven mason]

because ALL stats are good for us,

Like, I'd drop 10ilvl to keep a haste/crit item over a mastery/vers item

[pallid quiver]

All stats provide both offensive and defensive value, yeah

[uneven mason]

on ring/neck

and trinkets are all unique animals

Which are weighed on a case by case basis because blizzard can't balance trinkets for shit

[magic fossil]

What dungeons are worth talenting into spell block?

[uneven mason]

But you'll want to drive for STR on a trinket

[uneven mason]

No

[pallid quiver]

trinket effects are sometimes so negligible that the effects mean nothing and they only serve for more primary or the effects are so strong you're using a trinket from last patch because it at its capped ilvl is better than the absolute best ilvl trinkets of current patch (Old Warrior Souls in Season 3)

[magic fossil]

No?

[pallid quiver]

You're more likely to get use out of Spell Block on raid encounters, since its niche is stopping telegraphed time periods of massive spell damage, of which M+ dungeon damage profiles rarely shake out to be

[errant shuttle]

we will have a trinket combinaison for each boss for sure

or each m+ ( ofc )

[uneven mason]

Spell block isn't very good for a point

[pallid quiver]

so you pretty much never pick up spell block in M+; the magic damage reduction from Spell Reflect is usually enough in dungeons now that it lasts past the reflect

[uneven mason]

We're already insanely strong vs magic

So, it's not going to provide much use for a long CD

[brazen parcel]

HI , any weakaura for Shield Durability /repair reminder?

[slim dove]

you can also just press dstance if you need another 20% magic reduction

[sick sentinel]

it does proc in dungeons

the compas

[uneven mason]

This

Like I can see spell block being used at some point to massively cheese a 1shot mechanic

[slim dove]

lmao

[uneven mason]

but thats it

[slim dove]

wall / spell block / dstance / spell reflect

[uneven mason]

IP

[slim dove]

"ahh yes, pls hurt me"

oh and last stand

[uneven mason]

Eh, LS isn't really a flashy CD

don't forget demo

[slim dove]

[errant shuttle]

and rallying cry just in case

[uneven mason]

"This isn't even my final form"

[fast knot]

You'd have to be in pretty dire straits to pop rally to save yourself in raid

[errant shuttle]

620k hp ! look at me, i'm the drood now !

[fast knot]

Or your cooldown personnel don't care

[slim dove]

healer issue

im just tryna stand in 1shot mechanics to flex.

[fast knot]

My RL would fuckin go berserk if I did that shit haha

Mb bro needed the extra hp 😉

[errant shuttle]

need hp for a better healing stone !

[fast knot]

I hate how good IV is at times... take a chunk and pop up instantly and still get like two panic externals

[uneven mason]

Y take chunk

Just blok

[fast knot]

Not getting a dispel on Ruby Pools

[uneven mason]

Oh yek

[glacial eagle]

is using spark for shield the best way to go, or replacing your lowest gear?

[uneven mason]

shield

Always shield

Blocky boy is best boi

a 5ilvl upgrade for shield is worth around a 30ilvl upgrade in any other slot iirc

[sand pebble]

Jc neck imo

[sick sentinel]

only 4 slots for epic left

[errant shuttle]

quick question, which tinket module do you use ? ( for ppl with engineering goggles ofc )

[azure rover]

why jc neck > shield in your opinion? i'm trying to decide what to make, leaning neck

[sand pebble]

because of the proc

pattern isnt our til next week

[azure rover]

oh, didnt realize it isnt out

[slim dove]

I did shield first and ill be doing neck next if it doesn't get nerfed week 1

[edgy grail]

Isn’t it better to go for wrists? Head is tier no?

I think Id only want Brez for m+

[azure rover]

are the ring recipes out already?

[edgy grail]

Flame thrower seems ok? Idk what it looks like numbers wise

Prob not too big?

But > 0 for sure? 😂

[thick turtle]

is it awful?

[sage granite]

Anyone tested Battle Scarred Scale? Hard to test on the dummy but even in ST dummy fight the shield proc rate is very high. The damage is very low though, maybe its ok in ST.

https://www.wowhead.com/item=193477/battle-scarred-scale?bonus=7935#comments

[thick turtle]

how is this?

[patent gorge]

For sure Bis DPS Trinket lol (Arms / Fury)

[sand pebble]

mastery isnt great, str is nice to boost something but long ass cooldown, there are better trinkets

[thick turtle]

kk if im strictly gonna be prot its doodoocaca?

[edgy grail]

Fine for now

[west crescent]

Keep if you want to try Fury

[sand pebble]

this is a much better prot trinket

[pallid quiver]

Things like pressing IP also drain the strength buff.

And we press a lot of buttons. So we don't really get as much benefit out of it as other specs do

[autumn urchin]

yea if you setup its an ok trinket

pretty bad tho overall

[olive steeple]

Where do you get from?

[pallid quiver]

world quests for the compass

[sick sentinel]

i wouldn't mind to have that trinket in picture at that ilvl

currently using these 2

[trail crow]

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/us/class-tuning-incoming-december-13-1439702

[ember token]

Nice tanks nerfs

[sick sentinel]

i not see tank nerf

i see minor warrior nerf i think dps ones

[silent sapphire]

they all got 10%

to survivability

[main veldt]

blizzard not okay with tanks being this godlike

[craggy pilot]

seems small for Warriors

[hasty field]

ggs bye bois, I'm heading off to dds

[torn gulch]

:))))))

[sick sentinel]

, there are some negative effects that can come from tanks being too strong, that we want to avoid.

fuck

[craggy pilot]

everyone else losing 10% dd, we only losing 5 😄

[torn gulch]

it's barely a nerf

[sick sentinel]

i told u all

giga nerf incoming

[torn gulch]

lol it's barely a nerf

[main veldt]

we lost 10%

5% from vanguard
5% from defensive stance

[torn gulch]

what giga nerf are you even talking about

[sick sentinel]

its coming is what im saying

[craggy pilot]

we dont sit in D stance anyway, so its only 5%

[sick sentinel]

they are planning future to do it

[torn gulch]

they are doing this 4 days before the beginning of the season

i doubt we'll see giga nerfs for tanks

this are nerfs but not very big ones

[toxic pewter]

its a fair nerf imo

could of been harsher tbh

[sand pebble]

still wont need to use def stance haha

[opaque vine]

this nerf doesn't make sense for warrior compared to the other tanks

[toxic pewter]

yah we got off easy tbh

prob

[sand pebble]

5% more damage taken just means out health bar will move

[silent sapphire]

or it means you go to d stance instead of battle

[sand pebble]

doubt it

[opaque vine]

no it doesn't mean that

[silent sapphire]

im saying if you dont sit in d stance anyway

[sacred flare]

that nerf is unfair

[sand pebble]

why is it unfair

[crimson furnace]

it seems to me that not much has changed for us...

[sacred flare]

i guess not they actually did it accross the board it seems

[sand pebble]

every other tank lost 10% we lost 5%

[craggy pilot]

well the bar for other tanks didnt move either

[sand pebble]

and 5% only from def stance

[silent sapphire]

5+5 = ?

[opaque vine]

You never used d stance

[craggy pilot]

5 dummy 😉

[opaque vine]

so the 5+5 is inaccurate

[craggy pilot]

5 + (5*0) = ?

[opaque vine]

you only lose 10% from what he had before if you were misplaying

[agile elbow]

i think their justification was that we should be using d stance so that's where the 5+5 comes from, but we just sit in b stance so it's really only a 5% lol

[sacred flare]

I was expecting a nerf to our damage to be fair

[agile elbow]

not that we actively use d stance at all so

[loud patrol]

wow that nerf almost wants to make me delete my stance macro lmao

[silent sapphire]

what is tier

[craggy pilot]

zug zug

[sand pebble]

our damage is fine, we lost 50-70% from early beta and other tanks were brought in line

[hasty field]

we're still strong when the rest of tanks got a pretty harsh hit defence-wise

[sacred flare]

I think they just rest all tanks damage reduction but dhs to nothing to fiddle with them latter

[loud patrol]

i miss ranged prot warrior

[bold wave]

ye i guess we got away rlly good there

5% flat and we dont sit in dstance anyway.

[sacred flare]

brew master going to feeling that nerf

[bold wave]

wasnt brm already squishy af?

[silent sapphire]

brew in shambles

[loud patrol]

lmao they nerfed brew?

[ebon sun]

Loss of 10% DR across the board is pretty lame, not gonna lie.

[loud patrol]

at this point delete the spec

[sacred flare]

I find it funny they nerfed df stance when we dont use it

[silent sapphire]

This

[loud patrol]

true

[crimson furnace]

its still beautifull

even without taht 5%

❤️

[uneven bramble]

I don't understand the nerf lmao. they nerfed prot warrior the least out of all the tanks even tho they are the best tank in the game atm?

blizzard is massive brain

[edgy grail]

They think ALL tanks are too powerful

[vivid orchid]

and brew got nerfed when it seems unneccesary

[edgy grail]

Which isn’t strange

[fast knot]

But to base this on 0's for live

[edgy grail]

They never know what they sre doing 😂

[fast knot]

or beta keys with literal bis and tier sets

is absolutely stupid

[edgy grail]

Yea they didnt increase the m+ scaling this xpack or nothing /s

[opaque vine]

The only way this nerf makes sense, is if this nerf is intended to be for world first players and they think that warriors will sit in dstance for the world first guilds

(which they wont)

[uneven bramble]

that's the opnly thing that makes any amount of sense, Dstance is ass. i dont care what anyone says lol

[vivid orchid]

using dstance as a toggle to take a hit is probably what i'd see it used for, but then switch back to bstance asap

[edgy grail]

20% perma dr is ass?

[thick turtle]

bro what are these nerfs lol

[uneven bramble]

when you lose 10% damage and 3% crit yes lol

[sacred flare]

I mean also it was 5% dr nerf they cant nerf it 10% because we didnt have 10% to begin with

[trail crow]

10% damage nerf is ass =/

[uneven bramble]

i am literally never in Dstance unless i am in a very bad spot for like maybe 3 seconds then switch back

[trail crow]

Dstance is essentially a utility cooldown, you're just switching throughput for tankyness, and since you don't always need to be t0nk, having some agency when you press that switch is both very good and very healthy

"cooldown"

[uneven bramble]

i was doing 23's and didnt touch Dstance in pre patch

[hardy ridge]

23 is low key in prepatch tho tbh

[azure light]

U only use it in big pulls yes, prbly not even in start off pull, but in after cds and fury starts dropping😄

[uneven bramble]

yeah to be fair

@soft merlin and now prot warrior is even stronger lmao

[vapid mountain]

warrior killed again

shot dead

[vivid orchid]

and am strictly speaking raid tanking so there are no 'big' pulls lol

[vapid mountain]

right through skull

[azure light]

Just joined convo

My bad😜

[azure light]

🤣

[sacred flare]

Guys we cant let them know we are ok with this otherwise they going to like make you take more damage if you are in battle stance

[uneven bramble]

lmao

[azure light]

Nerf is soo bad guys!😅

Spam it en every chat

[sacred flare]

super bad guys unplable

[uneven bramble]

might as well make a tank evoker cause now they are better than prot warrior :/

[vapid mountain]

how can fucking play tank when asperger academy wind slash fucking deletes your character

[azure light]

Now i cannot pull the entire dungeon in 1 pull😔😔

[vivid orchid]

you totally can

[azure light]

In raid tanking i guess only switch when fight is healing intensive (so healers can heal someone else abit etc) and for tanking big hits (thinking like rygelion hit for example)

But out off that i see no reason to go dstance

[vivid orchid]

ya thats exactly what I mean

little reason to use it

[uneven bramble]

that has to be intentional tho. they probably didnt want people just hanging out in Dstance

[azure light]

It was strong though, even though not optimal, just making u even more unkillable for no reason

I like the change, lets hope they don’t gut us😀👍🏼

[vivid orchid]

all they have to do to screw us is remove the ability to 100% block

[uneven bramble]

"hope they don't gut us" after a nerf to us every patch for like a month lol

they aint stopping anytime soon lol

[azure light]

Wdym nerf?

If ur maining prot warr u should be happy this is their nerfs😆

«Nerfs»

[hasty field]

other tanks seem a bit spiteful about this bluepost tho

[vapid mountain]

every patch delete 50% of warrior kit

only dk viable

[sick sentinel]

the nerf from what i gather is we take 10% more dmg cuz tanks

[slim dove]

we take 5%

others take 10

[sacred flare]

before we were taking a flat 5-15 % more dmage

[slim dove]

because lmao dstance

[sick sentinel]

why did they treat us diferent

[sacred flare]

if not in d stance

[azure light]

tanks were way overtuned, we didnt have to think at all

[sick sentinel]

only 5% i nstead 10%

[slim dove]

because blizz thinks we sit in dstance

[azure light]

they only pretend to nerf us

[cobalt seal]

You didnt have to what?

[azure light]

As i say, every prot warr should be happy avt this

[sick sentinel]

i will probably spend alot of times in keys in d stance when i dunno wtf i am doing

[azure light]

😆

[azure light]

Nah, know what ur doing😎

[cobalt seal]

Its yogi

Cant happen

Wont happen

[sick sentinel]

gordon doesn't need to hear all this, he's a highly trained professional

[azure light]

pull big use cds, shield block IP, when u start running out off fury and uptime on IP and shield block, then perhaps u can dstance to sustain some more dmg

[cobalt seal]

[azure light]

My take😨

[sick sentinel]

Y

finisheds this achievement today

[loud patrol]

you didnt do m0s week 1?

are you even grinding? /s

[azure light]

😨

[sick sentinel]

im 367 current

good enough for now

[sacred flare]

We using glacial phial?

[sick sentinel]

i got a 369 Pwarr and 369 Rdruid

[azure light]

Im not that much higher, doing m0s when they released, and superrares almost every rare everyday (my luck has been god awful)

[sick sentinel]

im just using cheapo phials atm uhh tepid versatility

healers and dps like to yell at you for being bad and having bad routes and not having enough versatility

[sacred flare]

verse is a lie

[loud patrol]

do massive pulls they cant talk while they have to fight to survive

[azure light]

haste crit, trust in the gamba

[sick sentinel]

those are 90% of the complaints i get, followed by, never tank again and uninstall the game

[azure light]

Hahah ye, tanks dont get punished for overpulling, everyone around them does🤣

[sick sentinel]

i seen my dk friend do this

get mad at the warrior for doing low dps and then kick him from party beforefinal bos in life pools

after fighting with him about something petty im suire

[small seal]

anyone have a go-to general warrior weakaura? i can't seem to find a good one that's up to date

[loud patrol]

nah thats just beign a piece of shit

[loud patrol]

best advice is grab one of the big ones and design it to your needs

[azure light]

Sub to naowh, get bis UI

[sick sentinel]

well, i decided that what he was doing, i wanted to do the opposite of that in my life pools 0 run

terms of mentality

[loud patrol]

just pull 8 mobs each pull

not hard

but if the dps feel cocky pull 36

[azure light]

theyll die, but u the tank won’t, that will teach them😎

[sick sentinel]

i dunno wtf but i did BHH last and then i got to the part where you go in and there is only 1 guy and a gate and a stealth guy that calls many more, pulled them all through gate thought it was boss cuz i think i heard voice lines, so, i trapped ppl from being able to attack it

[loud patrol]

lol

[uneven mason]

So did everyone see the massive prot warrior nerf

[azure light]

Ye swapping to bmmonk

[uneven mason]

Right

[loud patrol]

massive, huge, unplayable time to reroll

[sick sentinel]

big mob of 10 dudes and just me and healer able to attack it

[uneven mason]

It's devastating

but

[loud patrol]

im rerolling to FF14

[uneven mason]

like

Do they actually think we use defensive stance?

[loud patrol]

they actually do

[azure light]

i think, alot off casuals do

[sick sentinel]

congratulations on the donwgrade sir

[uneven mason]

RIP casuals

[azure light]

💀

even for the casuals, nerf isnt to bad

[fast knot]

imagine doing less damage

[sick sentinel]

wow better ff14 imo, but lets not get into wow vs 14

[loud patrol]

2 different games thats it

[azure light]

💀

[mighty valley]

what a funny nerf, hell yeah

[azure light]

messi>lebron james

[sick sentinel]

inflation

[loud patrol]

BRW monk shitting and crying rn

[azure light]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-he-is-already-dead-stop-gif-5552043

[loud patrol]

i... idk

i guess no

[sick sentinel]

OH egads, my roast is ruined!

[dawn marsh]

BRM will laugh last, they'll get some giga-buff down the line

[loud patrol]

if they do im actually rerolling to monk

[novel temple]

Doesn’t this just put us in a better position?

[sick sentinel]

maybe when brm's have more gear meaning more crit and mastery

[loud patrol]

ye

and no

[sick sentinel]

i assume that brm usse crit mastery

[novel temple]

I mean I can’t do gigachad pulls anymore

[loud patrol]

talk for urself i still can

and will if healer is a bitch

[novel temple]

I pug and end up being top single target damage 😭

Oh and my healer in neltharus was

[icy yarrow]

pls, take the chance to spread that warrior is dead spec now

[novel temple]

But then they left right at forgaster after I soloed trash

[loud patrol]

mad cuz useless

[umbral mulch]

Blizz went too far this time

[novel temple]

Basically

[dawn marsh]

Isn't it weird that Blizz bases these nerf off of data from M0, or is that normal?

[loud patrol]

idk but shouldnt be

[dawn marsh]

That content will be irrelevant starting tuesday/wednesday anyway.

At least, I'd guess they're basing it on that at this point in time. Maybe they did some internal testing as well. I hope they did.

[novel temple]

It’s blizzard

[loud patrol]

they "might" change it once a few weeks of season drops and see people not clearing more than a 17 fully equiped

[weary python]

Day 9, do we have trinket data yet lol? I have 6 trinkets that are all around the same ilevel and I confused on which is good.

[novel temple]

They don’t have internal testing

[spice cedar]

so ,, the nerfs

[weary python]

The best thing about these nerfs is that I haven't used defensive stance once since release, so I won't feel the nerf aside from the 5% to vanguard.

https://tenor.com/view/changing-rage-face-meme-yao-ming-laugh-gif-14319479

[azure light]

They are getting alot off help from communities etc, and i assume they are testing and keeping track off alot off what happens ingame

[loud patrol]

i dont need a reason to do it tbh

[uneven mason]

Yeah, I feel for Prot paladins and BrM

[dawn marsh]

Yeah I'd think that as well, but due the BRM nerf I start to question that a little bit.

[uneven mason]

because like, they were already taking hits like wet cardboard

[loud patrol]

they are now 1 ply wet toilet paper

[uneven mason]

They're scots TP

[sturdy sable]

Its 10%

Calm down ppl

[azure light]

ye thats a bit weird, but i have a feeling either they have a upcoming buff prepared, orrr they just dont wanna fuck with stuff right before raid drops

[uneven mason]

BrM is already getting chunked, not even multipulling

Like, unsustainably chunked

[loud patrol]

5%

[dawn marsh]

Yeah, sounds plausible. I'd expect them to have a (giga)buff for BRM. If they don't... rip to BRM mains.

[sturdy sable]

Lol yeah warriors be laughing

[uneven mason]

5% raw mitigation hurts to be sure

[azure light]

I think almost noone has geared brm😰

[uneven mason]

I'm guessing this is an opening salvo and we're going to see a lot of "tank balancing" before tuesday

[loud patrol]

my hp might finally go down from 98%

[azure light]

shhh

we will be slapped with 20% flat dmg nerf if were not careful

[mighty valley]

in real content a 10% DR nerf is very real... people drastically undercounted the 10% DR on Avatar from our s3 tier set

[azure light]

«Here have ur tanky boy but u will not be able to do dmg, let alone keep threat»

[azure light]

First off, its 5% nerf, 10% in very niche situations

[mighty valley]

i'm saying for every other tank

who are taking a real 10%

[loud patrol]

ye they are fcked

[azure light]

Oh ye for sure

[loud patrol]

sad for the tanks except prot pally they can go fck themselves

[mighty valley]

we were already looking like the sturdiest m+ tank, this is kinda wild

[azure light]

Ye idk its weird, blizzard perhaps want prot warriors to have some time to shine after SL

[mighty valley]

we have an entire ass defensive capstone that we don't even need to use until giga content

[dawn marsh]

I hope that VDH will still feel good as well, but I think they will

[silk sandal]

i know there is a lot going on with these patch notes, but a simple question. Can anyone explain how the ignore pain cap is calculated? Is it just 3x the amount one cast gives? Or is that a coincidence for my gear right now

[azure light]

Wont use it there either prbly🤣

[icy yarrow]

just spam the doomed gif and we cool

[weary python]

Why Pyrhus, why?

[edgy widget]

so, guys, what are you thinging about that nerf for tanks?

[odd tree]

Yea, this kinda feels weird. Curious if all the fotm prot wars are running def stance, so blizz thinks all of us use it.

[static aspen]

These nerfs are so laughable. Will do nothing to us

[mighty valley]

idk, in an infinite scaling system there's always eventually a use for a defensive CD

[cobalt seal]

You missing more tanks discords

[azure light]

Not even cd but i get ur point

[cobalt seal]

Oi know you can do it

[mighty valley]

basically a CD

[azure light]

Its not a cooldown though🤓 but yes u can use it as a defensive

[mighty valley]

cheat deaths aren't "technically" CDs either but they're used as them

[cobalt seal]

What

A 15% dr

Is a cd

[sharp night]

it's just 30% of your max hp

[odd tree]

Pretty much a cd, the lack of an actual cooldown on it makes it that much better

[azure light]

Wdym? Most cheatdeaths have cooldowns no?

[cobalt seal]

And

So does sw

[azure light]

Ofc, but its not an actual «CD» my point stands

[cobalt seal]

And avatar

And incarn

And fort brew

[mighty valley]

uh i meant to be referring to BSV, I think we crossed wires

[loud patrol]

ours isnt technically a cheat death

[mighty valley]

which is basically a defensive CD we don't even bother to spec into

[azure light]

I thought u were talking about dstance

[silk sandal]

Are you sure? The most I can get seems to be about 99k and I have 330k hp I am an idiot lol 30% is not 33% 🙃

[azure light]

Im zoning in and out off chat mybad

[sharp night]

...

that's literally 30%

[cobalt seal]

I fucked up. But i cant say i was wrong. So i will just pretend its wording issue

[ivory halo]

Do absorbs like PWS prevent rage gain from getting hit?

[azure light]

🤣

[sharp night]

no

[mighty valley]

not since early vanilla

[ivory halo]

Thought so, just making sure

[silk sandal]

sorry xP and thanks lol

[edgy widget]

loots to read in diferent discord haha

[loud patrol]

go to monk discord and tell me what happens

[azure light]

Don’t

[edgy widget]

too much dangerous now

[dawn marsh]

That's actually a good idea.

[loud patrol]

god i dont like monk discord

buch of useless unsorted channels

no ranks

[sick sentinel]

i dont need to play a monk to find serenity,

my serenity is block all the attacks

[jolly inlet]

Lmfao the dstance nerf isn’t a nerf if you don’t use it

[outer chasm]

So friend is arguing with me about whether warrior players are "dumb" for not using dstance.. thoughts?

[sick sentinel]

tell him

[jolly inlet]

Why use dstance when you can zug zug

[sick sentinel]

did you die though

[outer chasm]

His argument is.. We are tanks and should be as tanky as possible.

Not using dstance is griefing to the group, in his eyes.

[loud patrol]

tell him ill never let him tank for me

[cobalt seal]

No point in argu

You wont change his mind

Its one of those players

[sick sentinel]

no just the opposite

[cobalt seal]

That will complain about aggro

[sick sentinel]

this player should learn tank

[cinder nova]

I love that they're already nerfing tanks before they actually hit any real content.

Blizz was doing so well and now they're tuning around... [checks notes] Mythic 0

Cool beans, mate.

[jolly inlet]

Being tanky isn’t optimal at all times what if we are struggling killing packs but healer is full mana?

makes 0 sense

[dawn marsh]

Maybe this is just bad dream and they're going to go back on their weird like with the daily WQ refresh changes

[jolly inlet]

5% for warrior because cool kids sit in battle stance

[outer chasm]

I actually like this scenario.. coolio tyty

[cinder nova]

I mean, once you start progging Heroic week 1 you'll probably be going Def near the end and especially during Mythic.

Plus keys are gonna permalock you into def at high key values

Either way it's kinda clownshoes, tbh. They're literally tuning around entirely baby-tier content.

[cerulean wyvern]

lol...tank nerfs and warrior gets the smallest nerf.. Awesome!

[cobalt seal]

Well

No

Hard no

And even harder no

[cinder nova]

Being able to survive more damage means bigger pulls, means faster keys, means more value out of big CDs.

[cobalt seal]

Also more dmg meand faster pulls

[cinder nova]

Why do you think BDK was king in S3 and S4? Oh right, they were objectively the most survivable tank bar-none.

[cobalt seal]

And did the most dmg

[cinder nova]

They were effectively a full tier ahead.

[cobalt seal]

Try again

Without bad arguments

[cinder nova]

The damage was comically not the point.

[sick sentinel]

i dont think never dstance, but less than 15 of the ti,e probably

[cobalt seal]

Yes it was the fucking piint

Wtf

[cinder nova]

Try to do any of the high-end BDK pulls as PWarr and you'll get dunked.

[sick sentinel]

15%

[loud patrol]

oh no not another "tanks have to be only tanky"

[cobalt seal]

Are you talking about

[cobalt seal]

What

What

What

[cinder nova]

Look at any of the cataclysmically large Junkyard pulls you jacknape

[cobalt seal]

What

[cinder nova]

Got it, homie doesn't know.

[median tulip]

If we weren't supposed to use B Stance we wouldn't have it. Same goes for D Stance; both will have points where we should use them, as appropriate

[cinder nova]

Go scope that first.

[sick sentinel]

they arent wrpng, but they arent tottally right either

[cinder nova]

They were heads and shoulders above other tanks and could pull FAR, FAR more than any other tank, which made throwing all your eggs onto one big AOE with CDs extremely desirable.

[cobalt seal]

Maybe learn a thing or two

[cinder nova]

And the reason for that wasn't magically because they did more damage. It's because they could pull FUCKLOADS with stability. Yes, they had rock-solid teams, but numbers are numbers.

[craggy pilot]

is there an auto target WA somewhere?

[cobalt seal]

On why bdk was meta

Before saying anything

Tyvm

[sick sentinel]

d stance is more like really bad heavg dmg mechanic maybe gou will use it

some turbo bad fire

[cinder nova]

Got it, so the entire upper meta was BDK because they did damage and not because they enabled DPS to gigacleave.

Sure.

Dude, DPS time keys.

Get your head out of your ass.

[cobalt seal]

Take your own advice

[cinder nova]

What circus did this guy crawl out of?

[sick sentinel]

bdk friend says mastery so he can heal more

[cinder nova]

So you genuinely think that being able to pull far more than any other tank and then successfully run all of that into the ground at once with a huge dump of CDs didn't time those keys fast? It was BDK's damage?

[cobalt seal]

You understand

That

Pwar

Was as tanky

Or even more tsnky

Than bdk

[cinder nova]

Holy shit this guy never played a key above 26

[cobalt seal]

Right

[cinder nova]

Yeah because that's why PWarr was dominating the latter season meta in M+

[fast knot]

[cinder nova]

Sure

[cobalt seal]

Idiots gonna be idiots

Why do i even try

I most hate myself

[sick sentinel]

popcorn time

[slim dove]

[queen latch]

Came here to whine about the tank nerfs

Get to enjoy a chimp fight

[sick sentinel]

i never imagined prto could be so fucking torn ovrf bstance and dstance

[cinder nova]

https://raider.io/mythic-plus-rankings/season-sl-3/all/world/leaderboards#role=tank:mode=unique:minMythicLevel=2:maxMythicLevel=99

Here you go boss.

[fierce geyser]

Sad we're getting nerfed because damn it was fun doing some large pulls

[median tulip]

When you get right down to it, Demo Shout is more of a damage reduction than DStance is; so even in challenging content you can go into a fight in BStance, use DShout as both a defensive CD and a Rage generator, and get full damage/threat value out of your initial Shield Charge/TRoar/TClap/SSlam

[cinder nova]

I don't know what shitheel class discord you crawled out of, mate, but go back to it.

[cobalt seal]

Yes

Thats a ranking

So?

[cinder nova]

Do you think it's coincidence that BDK was top and Warrior was nowhere?

[cobalt seal]

Pwar was underrared the entire expansion

[cinder nova]

You can see the proof in some of the absolutely mindblowing pulls done in MDI.

[cobalt seal]

So?

[cinder nova]

BDK could endure far, far more.

[cobalt seal]

[median tulip]

One of the things I hate about being meta is that the quality of discourse on the class discord has declined. Please go back to Trueshot Lodge if your idea of making an argument is to insult your opponent.

[cinder nova]

You have like two braincells and you're struggling to rub them together.

[slim dove]

[opaque vine]

Brain cells rub together?

[queen latch]

🦖

[cobalt seal]

According to s

They do

[loud patrol]

if they do go see a doctor

[cobalt seal]

But he also thinks bdk was tankier than pwar

[fierce geyser]

why are y'all choosing to be so damn toxic

[cobalt seal]

So what do we know

[cinder nova]

PWarr is always underrated because people don't play. Even if you suspend that it's a dead-small community, BDK was miles ahead of every tank at every vector - especially survivability.

[craggy pilot]

he also says dogs cant look up, hes quite delusional

[cinder nova]

Because this schitzoposter is @ing me in the most zoomer way possible.

They can't :^)

Do you... do you think by "Tankier" I mean raw mit?

Are you that much of a brainlet that you're fixated on that one facet?

[loud patrol]

my question is why are we talking about a season that has already past?

[halcyon oracle]

Insane tankiness Insane damage , BDK was totally broken dont even understand where is the point there lol

[jolly inlet]

Cool thing is bdk is probably least affected by changes mostly because more damage taken just means stronger death strike healing

[cobalt seal]

Because someone decided to bring it up

[jolly inlet]

Followed by warrior because we don’t use dstance unless you a bitch

[cinder nova]

I brought it up and this gonzo couldn't accept that BDK was top-tier because it enabled prohibitively massive group cleave.

[craggy pilot]

but currently they dont even take dmg 🤔 they have full extra HP bar of absorb

[jolly inlet]

So what we are saying is a bigger absorb

[craggy pilot]

maybe 🤔 that would backfire immensely lol

[cinder nova]

At the highest end, surviving packs is basically your job. Obviously you're doing damage and yes - both, simultaneously, but if you have to pick being lower damage or being dead, you're picking lower damage. If you can pull bigger and bigger safely, you keep pulling.

[craggy pilot]

and they will get an even bigger nerf soon 😄

[cinder nova]

The amount of survivability you have directly correlates to your pull size.

Assuming, of course, you know how to press your buttons.

[cobalt seal]

Yes

Turtle builds!

We back in bfa

We gotta save the turtles

[cinder nova]

Jesus you must be stupid if you conflate that with full turtle vers stack.

[sick sentinel]

i unblocked cro via going from bed to pc for maximum popcorn

[cobalt seal]

I didnt talk about vers build

[lyric geode]

Vanguard no longer reduces damage taken (was 5% damage reduction).
Defensive Stance now reduces damage taken by 15% (was 20%). Damage reduction remains unchanged at 10% effectiveness in PVP.

[cinder nova]

So you don't know about ANY M+ meta? 🤔

[lyric geode]

Incoming nerfs on ALL TANKS

[cinder nova]

Hmmm.

[sick sentinel]

cuz im too retarded to wokr out how to unblock him on tblet

[sick sentinel]

if everything is on sale nothing is on sale

[lyric geode]

Meanwhile, protection warrior survivibility is unhinged.

[median tulip]

Actually... the amount of survivability mostly correlates to the rest of the party's ability to control and interrupt critical mechanics. It's very rarely raw mob melee DPS that kills tanks.

[valid warren]

Seems like Prot is hit least here too me. This is pretty bad for some others.

[cinder nova]

True, that I'll admit.

[jolly inlet]

My guy that was 2 hours ago you don’t think we talked about this lol

[cobalt seal]

I know more tank meta than you

But keep going

[cinder nova]

But there is a breakpoint where you're gonna get hammered down harder by sheer numbers than anything else.

And BDK had endless uptime.

[astral breach]

wait is there another nerf?

[jolly inlet]

Just the one from 2 hours ago

[cinder nova]

A real nerf this time, Myles, not like the BV shenanigans.

[astral breach]

oh can anyone link it please

[cobalt seal]

When didnt pwar have endless uptime?

[astral breach]

i havent seen this one

[cobalt seal]

Their hp didnt move

[queen latch]

Lmao the audacity to not live on the warrior discord 24/7

[jolly inlet]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/upcoming-class-tuning-incoming-on-weekly-reset-global-tank-nerfs-330421?webhook

[median tulip]

My dude; I played Protection Warrior all the way through Shadowlands. Do you think I give a fuck about Meta?

[astral breach]

thank you party

[cobalt seal]

Was i talking to you?

[cinder nova]

Doesn't matter how much your HP moves mate, if you can't pull big because you can't tolerate mechanics and massive mob sizes, you aren't gonna swing the same way as BDK. They were legit numerically a whole tier ahead of every other tank and that gave them extreme levels of tolerance and extreme damage to boot.

[cobalt seal]

What

That makes no sense

[cinder nova]

BDK HP does push-ups.

[cobalt seal]

And pwar doesnt move

[lyric geode]

We want healers to play a key role in keeping tanks alive, and tanks shouldn’t be able to easily solo large portions of encounters after the rest of their group have died.

[cinder nova]

A bar moving is irrelevant. You do as much damage at 1 as you do at 100.

[jolly inlet]

Probably one of the most active discord and as soon as ANY pwar shit happens the doomers need to bring it up so 2 hours later it should be assumed it’s been a topic

[cobalt seal]

So you ca. Pull bigger

[lyric geode]

Literally unplayable.

[cobalt seal]

So you saying bdk dmg

Was the thing?

[sick sentinel]

https://youtu.be/fTzNWnqwTtE

[novel temple]

I’ve played prot warrior since BC, no matter what bullshit they pulled

[cinder nova]

Bro, the proof is in the stats, you keep saying PWarr was some secret messiah that could hang and it fell short of BDK at every vector. It can pull bigger, better utility, more control, better independent sustainability, and it enabled both healer and DPS to do fuckloads more damage.

Cope and seethe

[reef matrix]

ok so we just need someone who's played pwar since classic alpha and we can close this competition out

[cobalt seal]

I wonder

[queen latch]

Right but people are allowed to talk about it after the initial discussion? There's not a limit on it

[cobalt seal]

Why sense

Played pwar in tgp

In some dungeons

If it was that bad

[loud patrol]

prot war since warcraft 1

[median tulip]

I was Prot War in vanilla beta, but I quit after TBC so I can't claim to have played in continuously

[cobalt seal]

That couldnt pull as big

[slim dove]

https://tenor.com/view/trash-cans-dancing-trash-cans-trash-can-dancing-trash-can-shut-up-gif-24101099

[cobalt seal]

He most have been insane

[loud patrol]

[novel temple]

Wanna duo classic together then?

[cinder nova]

And what dungeons were those? 🤔

[craggy pilot]

nah bro, he just didnt get mansplained by S

if he had he would have known better

[jolly inlet]

I don’t pay anyones nitro subscription so feel free to talk about it but opening with “tank nerfs coming” as if we didn’t already no is kinda

[median tulip]

Classic sucks. I went and rolled a Warrior on it and then I was immediately like "yeah... now I remember why I quit" lol

[cobalt seal]

I have no fucking idea which were. I dont even know what dungeons were played in the tgp finals

[cinder nova]

Damn homie.

[lyric geode]

Okay, fair nough. Most of the changes to the tanks feels quite lacking. I didnt see any major nerfs, if not nerfs at all. So...

[novel temple]

Rip, I’d play classic and retail together. Especially cause they’re adding the 50% experience boost to classic on the 13th

[lyric geode]

They could just increase the damage by all mobs by 10% and call it a day.

[cinder nova]

I'd be willing to bed those were the dungeons that limit pull size from jus layout or typical blizz bullshit.

[cobalt seal]

Clearly pwar couldnt handle the pulls

[lyric geode]

Instead, we have unclean percentages.

[sick sentinel]

s9mething bad is go8ng to happen and its all yourfaukt because youre a stupid idiot... oh no.... anyway....

[cinder nova]

Draw em up slick, make me eat my pie.

You seem eager to prove me wrong.

[cobalt seal]

It wasnt bdk deleting a pack every 4m

[steady vine]

man i hope pwarr gets buffed its pretty shit rn

[lyric geode]

Like, who the hell does put -15% somehow? It rounds up to -20% somethehell.

[dawn marsh]

Your tablet needs help? 😂

[cinder nova]

Damn, you literally have a perfect vector to completely dismantle my argument and now you're just backing out.

Cheers.

@ me when you got it

[sick sentinel]

auto correct is cursed both ways

[lyric geode]

Try. He needs something to heal other players, so can be on par with druids and monks and palas.

[cobalt seal]

Backing out

What

[steady vine]

pwarr needs consecration ong

[cinder nova]

Show me what dungeons he played PWarr

[novel temple]

Have inspiring presence give party/raid wide leech

[cinder nova]

I'm actually interested to see.

[sick sentinel]

rather just takethe gamble im typing right thing out

[dawn marsh]

😂 Gambles can be dangerous

[cinder nova]

Inspiring was so neat, felt kinda token despite doing a lot of actual healing

[lyric geode]

The ideal dungeon composition shall be 1 tank 4 dd. Or tanks shall make as much dmg as dd like in mop and go for 5 tanks and call it a day.

[jolly inlet]

I just want to know yals meta predictions @cinder nova and guy he is arguing with lol

[cinder nova]

This season?

[lyric geode]

Healer is a empty spot for dps....

[jolly inlet]

We can screen shot it and bring it up mid season to rub it in the others face

Yea

[lyric geode]

Dps is an empty spot for tank.

Tank is the best spot.

[cinder nova]

🤔 I'd be game... I definitely think warrior is obviously going to see a lot more light than it has since basically BFA when vers coverage could turn anyone into a god and stompy spec was boring but effective.

[sick sentinel]

is tank hp same at most ilvls

same ulvls i mean obv

[cinder nova]

I think if they don't dumpster DH that VDH will get a lot of mileage too, mostly because they have strong passives and non-insignificant damage.

[cinder nova]

Then probably BDK and the rest follow after.

[cobalt seal]

I guess he was limited

By pulls

In lower

Or id

¯_(ツ)_/¯

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cinder nova]

You literally get bottlenecked at Opera.

[sick sentinel]

Does the S stand for Shrek because your takes be smelling like an ogre.

[loud patrol]

ill be back when the pointless stupid argument is over

[jolly inlet]

I feel like there is a lot of passive damage that goes to dps makes me think the Druid group healing may be effective but I really don’t know it’s a toss up between bdk pwar and guardian for me

[sick sentinel]

You're not going to get a prediction from Crom because he's not stupid enough to even care

[cinder nova]

I'm shaky about looking at bear at all, from their design lead walking out and getting kind of a raw deal when it came to gameplay overhaul it feels like they're just coasting on more of the same until someone can give them love.

[sick sentinel]

lower kara m+ was a mistake

[craggy pilot]

do guardians still have Thrash spam shield?

[cinder nova]

Sorta.

[sick sentinel]

They don't play it.

moonfire

[cobalt seal]

I can give you one

[sick sentinel]

If you think SL Bear and DF Bear are the same you're sniffing that good stuff.

[cobalt seal]

S tier ALL

[sick sentinel]

Nailed it.

[cinder nova]

And ID is, again - bottlenecked at first boss. The only actual free stretch of madman pulling you can do is right up to 3rd boss

I bet money he ran Warr for the SR on flames alone

[modern brook]

Flase warrior is w teir classic mis calc

[cobalt seal]

So 2/8 dungeons were bottlenecked by pulls

Hmmm

1 of them being lower

Interesting

[sick sentinel]

Lol

[cobalt seal]

Flawless logic

[sick sentinel]

The S. does stand for Smelly

[queen latch]

Honeslty lost track on what this argument is about at this point

[sick sentinel]

Bananas

[cinder nova]

Lower you get cut off at Opera. Compare the pull sizes you can chain in LK to the massive bullshit you can do as BDK. I'd love to see a PWarr do some of the mid-30 pulls in JY that BDK were after.

And not drop dead.

[pallid quiver]

I think at this point it's really about just fighting a little bit. I don't think anyone's actually in it to prove anything.

[sick sentinel]

You mean like they did in BfA?

[cobalt seal]

Mate

[cinder nova]

Yeah with more vers than you'll ever see

[cobalt seal]

Its jy

You time that shit

By existing

As a tank

[tender cove]

SInce i had so long break, ima need to guiild hop a bit... Just to make sure.. I find a good AOTC guild. Clear raid few times. Apply for mythic lower end guild. Try to get CE with them but prob not likely. Use those logs to get into a decent mythic guild. And from there just get CE and then apply for a proper guild?

[sick sentinel]

Who killed your dog Crom

[modern brook]

That sounds like a plan

[cinder nova]

Right, right... and that's why when people saw what they were doing in those keys for the first time it wasn't a completely upending awareness of how raw BDK was.

[sick sentinel]

You didn't need jy to tell you how BDK was

[tender cove]

cool, thanks. Gonna try and get first two done in this tier tbh

[pallid quiver]

or just live the perma-no guild life

schedules are for nerds

[modern brook]

You can also probably find a bigger guild that pushes ce with like an off team

And apply on the off team and work your eat towards the ce roster

[tender cove]

its not really a guild I miss that much. I miss a proper m+ team, with people capable off pushing above 25s, that are chill and fun to spend time with

but i do miss raiding a lot

[pallid quiver]

just pull from here and 5 tank it, ezpz, like Nome does

[tender cove]

I'm still only a student, maybe by end off s3 there I can at least make a poor impersonation

Feel pumped for this but my comp system disk is broken. I should just replace it like tomorrow, asap when I wake up but yeh, easier said than done xD

[modern brook]

Add fix comp before aotc to your plan

[tender cove]

and cuz i dont, now in like thursday, whole comp will burn up and will have to install and do everything from scratch

the systemdisk (ssd) was doa, just some dead sectors but sadly, windows systemfile wrote to them and they cant move the clusters.
And been difficault to run backups, systemimages etc. But i torrent a program yd, that boots on usb and can just disconnect systemdisk offline and take sector by sector and bit other stuff

I have new disk next to me on desk, im just lazy fuck 😄

[cobalt seal]

Topple dont do it

Resist

[tender cove]

IT works now so why not 😄

"never fix what aint broken or it will only become broken"

[modern brook]

i def feel like you've put more effort into not replacing the disk than it woulda been to just replace the disk

[mighty valley]

what's he supposed to do, replace the disk? impossible

[modern brook]

https://tenor.com/view/kaiba-yugioh-dual-gif-5959874

[sick sentinel]

New profs arent like legendaries where you can spam craft to increase guaranteed quality right

you need better gear/inspo procs only?

[cinder nova]

Yes and no.

I'll be honest, crafting is a blind spot for me as a player. I just grind it out.

[strong forum]

Love this prot nerf tbh

It doesn't do anything to our playstyle

Or the general feel

[static owl]

I feel for our BRM brothers

[inland raft]

Just started today since gpu was in for rma, but from what i can tell doesnt really hit prot all that much anyways does it?

[strong forum]

It doesn't, but it just makes def stance weaker

And I love that

They could nerf def stance to 10% for all I care

[inland raft]

Def stance doing its job mitigating nerfs

[strong forum]

Tbh nerf the dmg penalty of d-stance to 5% and the dmg reduction to 10%

And it's better

[inland raft]

Outside of very niche situations i dont really see stance dancing even beinf a thing is it? Generally its gonna be bstance til damage intake hits a level where dstance is needed to live, why swap back and forth between them at least in keys but i just started so no experience yet

[strong forum]

You swap based on situation

But try to be in b-stance as much as you can

[foggy loom]

as long as they dont nerf

the damage

its fine

[mellow quartz]

If anything this was a relative prot buff not a nerf.

All other tanks got nerfed the same but prot in battle stance only got nerfed 50% of what they got nerfed.

[lament zealot]

big fat prot pvp nerfs 😦

[mellow quartz]

Sure someone already whined abt that in the pvp channel.

[slim dove]

nothing but fury doomers

[strong forum]

It's not

If youre a d-stance enjoyer, it's a bigger nerf than other tanks have received

Besides dh ofc

Which clearly shows that blizz balances pwar around d-stance

[deft pagoda]

If I’m honest I expected a lot more of a nerf than we got so I’m happy haha

[strong forum]

I'm happy aslong as they dont touch our dmg output greatly nor the feel

I wanna have fun on the meters and a smooth rotation, I'll do the rest

[warm plinth]

Yeash it's alll about feel for me

[deft pagoda]

Yeah exactly I just expected a absolute gutting not sure why but yeah haha

[strong forum]

No way

Blizz has done awesome with tanks this xpac

Besides that bear tree

[granite anvil]

Didn’t they introduce those -10% damage taken for all tanks as a bandaid in SL S1 cause the messed up tanks in general and had that double dip bug for magic damage for DHs?

I was kinda wondering why those passives even made it into DF at all.

[fallen pulsar]

just like in game, we just gotta ignore pain

[fresh breach]

is eye in the storm or glacial fury gonna be better for m+?

[hollow tusk]

hey gents any of you have a macro for stance dance pls?
Basically i wanna bind both stance on the same shortcut hence going battle stance if im in defensive and vice versa

[vernal vale]

I love it was asked if the dstance would bother me and I said that nerf is irrelivent to playstyle

then stated i'm planning to live in bstance 95% of the time

that remaining 5% is prog in mythic raid and giga m+

[warm plinth]

in the pins

[wary heath]

is there a nom pin on the new nerfs

no one in this discord ever goes into defensive stance, so this doesn't even affect us

[hollow tusk]

thanks didnt go that down 🙂

[fast knot]

About 10 messages above you @wary heath

[wary heath]

roger

[red wave]

Curious on opinions - If I went shield for initial spark, should I do lariat, or alch trinket next week?

[warm plinth]

lariat

[red wave]

Yea, s'what I'm thinking as well. Helps that rare neck sucks.

[wary heath]

do the shield

[sudden palm]

Anyone has a good macro that would allow for normal flying mount and dragonriding mount to be swapped?

[quaint wind]

so i've been gone a long time just wanting to ask. is prot looking real solid? and as far as gameplay fury or arms more fun?

[short vale]

You can mark 2(or more obviously) as favorites then it will pick dragonflying if it’s available and the other flying mount if not

[sudden palm]

Oh that's brilliant!

[onyx marsh]

hey friends, noob question but trying to get better as Prot Warrior. For Alchemy spec are you guys going into potion mastery or decayology?

[remote dawn]

yea you are a genius 🤘 thx ♥️

[topaz raptor]

do i want to use my titan training matrix 4 on this?

haste/vers

[strong forum]

Sure why not

[latent pier]

I'm going to be the first person to ask, totally

how bad are the nerfs

I was going to level it next weekend, prot's my favorite tank.

[pallid quiver]

About 15 messages above you:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1051026128384577536/image-2.png

So your suspicions were correct

[toxic pewter]

Thats what I made with mine

[pallid quiver]

If you've been out of defensive stance, this is a buff in terms of relation

If you've been in defensive stance, it's a bigger nerf than any other tank that's not DH

So:

really nothing to fuss over

[latent pier]

so what you're saying is

prot is dead, reroll now

[pallid quiver]

yes

all tanks dead

might as well just rock evoker tank

[latent pier]

doooooooooooooooooom

[topaz raptor]

ty

[toxic pewter]

might as well try and find a blacksmith that can make it rank 5 if possible

searching for one and sending private order may take a little more time but ilvl is ilvl

thats what i did and I find its worth it

[lucid dew]

does anyone konw what failure prevention thing is best for engineering crafts

[toxic pewter]

I use the 15% reduction on my flamethrower and I have yet to fail since I installed it on my goggles

but keep in mind I also specialize in some that lower the chance of tinker malfunctions

[lucid dew]

catastraphically malfunciontiong sounds bad though

what does dislodge battery mean

[toxic pewter]

i have a specialization that prevents that entirely

are you an engineer?

[lucid dew]

yes

[toxic pewter]

simply does nothing but goes on CD

[lucid dew]

which path is it in

[topaz raptor]

ok yeah was just realizing that

[lucid dew]

what path is the tinker path?