protection

[fallen belfry]

I see. Yeah I do all macros with mods...I don't even fill 2 bars on my prot war. That includes mount and buffa

[pallid quiver]

Mmmm, those are pretty obnoxious for a gaming mouse, I think they pass

There's a few keybinds I have that are for PvP muscle memory purposes, so those could technically go away

[fringe folio]

Thanks all with the input , helps !

[severe aurora]

I got used to use esdf for moving and have enough buttons this way for all my abilities without such a mouse 🙈 cause I would fat finger that mouse buttons so hard

Obv with modifier only use shift though

[pallid quiver]

I use Shift, Ctrl, and Alt modifiers

[warm plinth]

idk I have l;ike

2 1/2 bars

I'm sorry what Clyde?

why is a picture of my action bars explicit

[upbeat salmon]

Eeh, it doesn't have that much binds

[upbeat salmon]

That's not a lot

[warm plinth]

I wasn't claiming that it's a lot. But if you didn't have an MMO mouse, I could see having issues binding them all, especially because alt and ctrl are not easy modifiers for a lot of people

I'm missing some bindings too like I don't have my stance binding yet, or intervene (for when I have it)

[lone eagle]

I have stance on my g600 bound to one of the mouse clickers behind the scroll wheel

that way I can tap it on the fly without really adjusting my fingers at all

[warm plinth]

My front button is set focus and my back button is my bags

[lone eagle]

just use the underside of the middle knuck of my middle finger

[warm plinth]

The far right button is my opie target marker ring

[upbeat salmon]

I just press B

[warm plinth]

I do as well tbh. But that button was bound to Shift-B for some reason at one point and since I have adibags, it also opens my bags lol

[upbeat salmon]

I've only got kick leap and thunderclap on my mouse

[warm plinth]

I don't put rotational stuff on my mouse. I prefer to use the keyboard for that stuff

Certainly can't imagine having some rotational shit on it and some not

[upbeat salmon]

It's less strain on my hands to spam TC with the thung

Thumb

I'm weird

I usually put AoE spells on that thumb button

Regardless of spec

[warm plinth]

whatever works for ya

[upbeat salmon]

Like F1 is always à defensive, F3 is move speed of some sort

Obviously varies class to class

[strong forum]

Cuz they're horrendous to look at

[warm plinth]

they're literally just elvui bars lol

They look like every other elvui bars

[strong forum]

Clearly Clyde thinks otherwise

[cobalt seal]

Delete this pic

Ty

[granite anvil]

Friend of mine told me he has all fingers on keys and presses space with his wrist.
That’s a real gamer

[ionic fern]

Doesn't use a mouse?

[granite anvil]

Like…one hand. The other hand for his mouse ofc. But he is also a lefty, maybe you gotta be weird to play like that anyway

[potent gulch]

Speaking of embellishments - why we don't consider belt? (Because of shity stats?). The proc Sims for me for 2.5%.

[jagged pier]

why do u have brace for impact on there

[warm plinth]

it's not brace; it's bodyguard

[jagged pier]

ew

even worse

[warm plinth]

I haven't played prot since bfa

[steady pendant]

Wait do you play with two hands on your keyboard

I’m so confused

[warm plinth]

me? No

[ionic fern]

You don't?

Weirdo.

[warm plinth]

😂

[steady pendant]

What do you have like = - bound to

Is that your mouse

[warm plinth]

yeah

The group of 12 on the right is all mouse buttons

[steady pendant]

Why don’t you bind stuff to Q and E if you need more buttons

[warm plinth]

I don't need more buttons

[steady pendant]

I thought you were saying you needed more

[void summit]

What’s the verdict on the alch trinket that reduces potion cd?

[strong forum]

That seems off, it's only like 0.7% last time I simmed it

Maybe they buffed it yesterday aswell

[ionic fern]

Tbh..most of the embellishments are kinda...meh.

Outside of the neck.

[steady pendant]

I’m still trying to decide if I’m playing my warrior in keys or dh

[warm plinth]

I want Mwahi for my embellishment

[ionic fern]

No.

Can't have me.

[warm plinth]

he just tells me what buttons to press as I'm playing

[ionic fern]

I'm a embellishment on your weapon:
"Your attacks have a chance to summon Mwahi to take over the control of your character for 10s, reducing your damage dealt by 10% due to using random buttons while also banning a random person in Skyhold"

[warm plinth]

lol

[pallid quiver]

"banning a random person in Skyhold"
I'm interested in this.

[ionic fern]

In getting banned?

That can be arranged..

[pallid quiver]

damn, i'm boutta get shot again

was a fun time, y'all

[ionic fern]

It's fine, BouncyKnight doesn't have the embellishment yet.

[pallid quiver]

I was gonna say that I highly doubt the random selection of that embellishment

[warm plinth]

lolol

[pallid quiver]

i was 'boutta prove that with my life on the line

[sand drum]

@ionic fern [Sorry 4 ping] how dumb is it to aim for wep + shield (crafted) on reset ? since its 405 ilvl ?

[cobalt seal]

@ionic fern

[cobalt seal]

Are u in a rush for anything?

[sand drum]

just had food and was thinking about nap 😄 other then that its friday so not rly 😄

[potent gulch]

running droptimizer on spark craft.
i get 2.5% for weapons and belt.
rest is 0.2 - 1%

[strong forum]

Well sure, droptimiser

[cobalt seal]

Whats the ilvl of your belt

[strong forum]

But how much dmg does the belts effect actually do

[potent gulch]

376

[strong forum]

On the dmg breakdown

[potent gulch]

well, need to sim it ;-D

[strong forum]

Yes

And rn it's counting the ilvl increase + the effect

Not just the effect

Same thing for the weapon

But weapon doesn't have an effect I presume

and not all embellishments are implemented/working properly/up to date

[potent gulch]

true, shield doesn't have thorns

[strong forum]

So yeah, hold off on simming for embellishments

Same with World quest trinkets

They're not all fully implemented

[potent gulch]

true

will have to wait then 😭

[marble cipher]

What's this neck that I've seen talking about quite a few times in here

[warm plinth]

elemental lariat

[sand drum]

Ghash all good ? no new pic yet ?

[dull granite]

can I use my spark to upgrade my engi helm to tier? Assuming no. Same thing with the embelished blacksmithing pants?

[warm plinth]

new pic of what?

[strong forum]

I severely doubt you'll be able to turn crafted gear into tierset

[dull granite]

same, one can hope though. Sucks having to choose between haste pants and engi helm

[strong forum]

Haste pants aren't even good tho

It's 4% haste for 10 seconds on pull

[dull granite]

seems like they'd be good for m+, don't really care about raiding. If you think theres better options let me know

[strong forum]

You'll have less than 10% uptime on the 4% haste buff

That's practically 0

[dull granite]

its a good time for the buff to be up though, as im blowing my load on everything at the start of the pull

[warm plinth]

4% haste is basically nothing with an uptime that low

[dull granite]

what else is there besides the vers bracers that would be good for m+? Maybe i over looked something

[strong forum]

Neck.

As we keep repeating

[mortal brook]

neck, pants, maybe one of the st like belt, helm or weapon wrap. shits gonna change tho. they just changed armor spike yesterday 🔮

[warm plinth]

Uh oh steve is here

[mortal brook]

HEY GHASH YOU HECKIN CUTIE

[warm plinth]

[mortal brook]

[fresh belfry]

Helmet of Vengeance was def. more than 0.5-1% during beta testing

and i mean the nerfed version

has it been nerfed again since?

[strong forum]

It was between 1-1.7% for me

[fresh belfry]

yeah more in the 1.5-2% range for me too

[strong forum]

That's the thing ye, % depend on your own dps and which key

[fresh belfry]

sure

[strong forum]

The helmet is fairly static, but I don't know the dps of it either

Cuz it also heavily depends on its ilvl

[fresh belfry]

didnt even notice that

do you know whether it scales with defstance penalty?

[neon elk]

What ilvl are we able to craft using only m+ ? HC froms 11s? Or does it scale higher ?

[fresh belfry]

all of it

the mythic equivalent drops from 16+

so 418 max

[strong forum]

Everything does, yes

Def stance reduces everything

Trinkets, embellishment, potions, enchants

[fresh belfry]

ok I wasnt sure because avatar/demoshout doesnt anymore

[strong forum]

Never did

Avatar and Demo shout specifically increase class/ability damage

Always have

[fresh belfry]

are you sure about always? I think I remember some legion stuff scaling

[strong forum]

Def stance is not whitelisted for ability dmg

[fresh belfry]

early

[strong forum]

Okay well, idk about legion or earlier

[fresh belfry]

🙂

k

[strong forum]

Back then I was the kinda guy who didn't know what logs are

[fresh belfry]

was mid legion when they did a big swoop of a lot of stuff not scaling with class abilities anymore

[uneven mason]

Yeah it was BFA when they took the screws to cd stacking and having them impact trinkets and proc

It still did in antorus

[fresh belfry]

not for all classes. disc priest got gutted before antorus

[uneven mason]

Because that was the backbone of fury's ability to go supersayan

Every 40s

[fresh belfry]

well ultimately that allowed for a lot of trinkets with dmg procs being good options now because they dont need to be undertuned anymore

so its good

[strong forum]

They also buffed dmg proc trinkets by 165% since legion

[fresh belfry]

oh wait what was the fury trinket called from nighthold

[strong forum]

[uneven mason]

Coe

[strong forum]

They buffed em in 8.2 by 100%

And by 65% again from SL to DF

[fresh belfry]

on use dps trinkets were so lit during leveling

[uneven mason]

Cof

I don't remember the name but it was sup op

[ionic fern]

Convergence of fate.

[strong forum]

Confatement of virgins

Wait.

[slim dove]

[blazing condor]

Converge these

[tepid sage]

Sup mates look mi build for M+ what do u think? i looking for a best build for Prot M+ and raid plz .

[ionic fern]

Pins.

That's a very-very suboptimal build.

[cobalt seal]

Why do people like shockwave capstones is impressive

[atomic flicker]

Friendship with Shockwave ended
Thunderous Rawr is my best friend

[jagged pier]

why do ppl like storm of steel

is the more important question

[atomic flicker]

People dont know how to generate rage

Shield slam button is hard to press

[severe steeple]

i don't even know which talent storm of steel is

[ionic fern]

Ravager capstone

[cobalt seal]

Prob ravager capstoone

[severe steeple]

yikes

[atomic flicker]

Makes ravager poop but now you can throw two of them

[severe steeple]

yeah 2 ravager stacks seem kinda noob bait

[atomic flicker]

My real question is why would you ever run intervene

[dull marsh]

stun when you need it and rage gen?

[slim dove]

intervene.

not shield charge

[atomic flicker]

Shield Charge is epic i dont mean that

[dull marsh]

ah nvm. too many charge abilities to rememeber names lol

[atomic flicker]

Like a defective battery cant hold all this charge

[ionic fern]

In m+ - Fixate mechanics, allowing melee DPS'ers continue DPS'ing
In raid - Excellent external on your co-tank

[fallow lagoon]

hey guys, quick question - are we supposed to use Slam ability at all? (not Shield Slam, just Slam). Everywhere I see Revenge as a filler, but what about single target? Slam is 20 rage instead of 30 on Revenge

[ionic fern]

No.

Remove Slam.

It's useless.

[fallow lagoon]

that's actually very good news, thanks lol

[ionic fern]

Just in case..since you asked about Slam..remove Whirlwind as well.

[fallow lagoon]

oh, ok

[atomic flicker]

Real chads use Slam and Whirlwind instead of Shield Slam and Thunder Clap

[ionic fern]

Real chads also apparently wonder why Intervene can be good.

[jagged pier]

revenge is 20 stop uing barbaric we dont have the rage gen for it

[ionic fern]

.

[atomic flicker]

Correct

Why would I save other when I can zug

The real reason is i dont have another hotkey for it

[fierce juniper]

why use keybinds when you can just click your abilities

[atomic flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/smart-gif-20689814

[lyric elm]

[atomic flicker]

Surely if you use intervene in a raid it just means the healers have to heal you instead of the other tank thus not actually doing anything at all

[ionic fern]

With a trackpad, correct?

[fierce juniper]

of course

[atomic flicker]

It doesnt reduce the dmg you take

[ionic fern]

Shield Block is broken compared to other tanks mitigations.

So you would take less damage than the other tank.

[atomic flicker]

Run two prot warriors got it 😄

[slim dove]

it also smooths damage intake.

you take the auto attacks, other tank takes abilities

[atomic flicker]

Couldnt you just taunt instead of intervene then

[fierce juniper]

^

[atomic flicker]

Oh righti t doesnt take abilities aswell does it

[slim dove]

no, then you start taking "tankbreaker" stacks

intervene is goated

actually op lmao

[atomic flicker]

Only if you dont time it right

[lyric elm]

It's fun and flexible

[atomic flicker]

me too

[lyric elm]

Tell me more

[ionic fern]

Idk, i usually solo tank cause having another tank just reduces my overall rage income.

[lyric elm]

[atomic flicker]

When is blizzard gunna put a shield in the game that doesnt look garbage

[lyric elm]

Mog bulkwark like the rest of us since 10 years

[atomic flicker]

Im literally in black temple now going to get it thats what made me think of it

[lyric elm]

Please do it's awesome

[slim dove]

scale of the earth warder or nothing

[atomic flicker]

Scale makes me want to tear out my own eyes

[slim dove]

And bulwark but only the wod BOE

[dull marsh]

Wild Combatant's Shield Wall is a nice one

[unkempt hazel]

my warr runs the coffin door thing

[slim dove]

also the big ass shield from g'huun

[obsidian path]

I like the round-ish ones from DF dugeons

[atomic flicker]

All these shields are too smoll

[obsidian path]

Depends on the race too

All weapons are too small on troll females

[unkempt hazel]

true, shield should be as tall as me tbh tbh

[obsidian path]

All weapons are too big on belf/human females

I mean type2body

[atomic flicker]

All shields should be the size off Bulwark

[unkempt hazel]

like ogryn

BIG shield

[granite anvil]

The nerfs to shield sizes made me stop playing male dwarfs

[unkempt hazel]

so anyway what does the warr currently lack compared to other tanks if anything

[atomic flicker]

A big shield

[unkempt hazel]

smh

[granite anvil]

Battlerezz and offheal I guess?

[unkempt hazel]

I just run around on guardian atm and after playing prot they feel so squishy (even if they're not) lol

[upbeat salmon]

A 2h sword

[unkempt hazel]

i got spoiled

[upbeat salmon]

Just lemme mog apocalypse

[obsidian path]

War need more lax transmog rules

[granite anvil]

Titan Grip for Prot

[atomic flicker]

Titans grip for prot

Jynx!

[upbeat salmon]

Lemme wack people with a stick

[obsidian path]

Like free 1-hander/2-handers mog rules

[fresh belfry]

355/355 pog

[obsidian path]

Wanna tank with a spear

[upbeat salmon]

Oooh

That

[granite anvil]

Take that as well

[obsidian path]

Or a big-ass sword

[upbeat salmon]

Nah titans grip + shield

Idc about stats or dps or what

[atomic flicker]

There was a 1h Spear in the game for about 2 days

[obsidian path]

Same during legion

The archeology one

[unkempt hazel]

at this point Im confident they do this on purpose

[obsidian path]

That got hanged into an heirloom

[strong forum]

That's a sexy helmet

[upbeat salmon]

I want to tank with a red cloak a spear and a shield

And nothing else

[obsidian path]

300 style

[unkempt hazel]

brother

at least put some pants on

[upbeat salmon]

Nah

[unkempt hazel]

[upbeat salmon]

It will inspire fear in my enemies

[atomic flicker]

Why cant I Tmog remove pants

[upbeat salmon]

A man who fights naked isn't afraid of much

[unkempt hazel]

unless he fights another naked man but without cape

[granite anvil]

Well that’s what’s the big ass shield is for

[atomic flicker]

I can remove chest and free my panda nipples but I cant let my tail breathe

[potent gulch]

Where you get primal infusion :0

[slim dove]

maxed rep.

[lucid cloak]

end of track renown or raid content / m+

[west prairie]

anyone have any idea why when I go from fury to prot and vise versa, the bindings don't carry over and it messes up my bars

[edgy widget]

sup guys, did you have crafted any itens using the spark?

[solid granite]

Warhammer in my Prot Warrior Disco? Yaaas

[slim dove]

shield because i got cucked on tours and drops

[edgy grail]

I got 7 drops on 8 m0 bosses yesterday

[slim dove]

i got a wep off every boss i could

[edgy grail]

Then on my group full tour and I get 2 for all 😔

Rogue*

I even got the fire weapon

[solid granite]

Did all my m0's - still wearing more 379-385 world/boss drops. a bit upsetti spaghetti about that

[edgy grail]

Dw new set of gear next week anyway

[blazing condor]

Where do you get high ilvl things in the world

[edgy grail]

Rares and weekly stuff

[slim dove]

ye but i wanna chad on my team being 20ilvls up on them

[solid granite]

warri is 380 currently

[solid granite]

exploit early & often

[strong forum]

You just do

Kill the rares, they can TF loot

Weekly quests can TF loot

World quests can TF

[solid granite]

^ this

[potent gulch]

Every rep gives 1?

[solid granite]

398 cloak & 392 weapon also helps a lot with high ilvl

[slim dove]

when maxed, yes

[potent gulch]

Ty

[jade pulsar]

It's because of the new way swapping talent builds/specs work with action bars. There should be a options to use a shared action bar in the settings somewhere - think u can search for "shared action bar"

[solid mist]

Any macro to use charge and shield charge on same key ?

[jade pulsar]

/cast Charge
/cast Shield Charge

If ur far away it will charge, if ur too close for charge it will shield charge

[marble cipher]

(not advised to macro it though, but, to each their own obviously)

[solid mist]

Easy !!! Thanks hahahaha

[jade pulsar]

Np, have fun!

[azure light]

just remember to use shield charge off cd, its really good

[solid mist]

Thanks

[echo snow]

what did you guys craft with the spark? shield ?

[slender quest]

Anyone knows on eu if the 379 wq head Upgrades over 379?

[jade pulsar]

[echo snow]

thx alot

[echo snow]

So i quess we take helmet okay

[jade pulsar]

I mean, it depends what items uve gotten dropped, but most ppl seem to take shield or necklace

[marble cipher]

to be fair, if you haven't gotten high ilvl shield yet, I'd craft shield, it's our bread and butter
but, it's your spark, you do what you want with it 😄

[wide pilot]

is this trinket any good for us?

or should i use mutated magmammoth scale and dragon games...both are 372

[dapper vapor]

87 BS skill

[strong forum]

Use scale and dragon games

That blood trinket is nothing more than a stat stick

1ppm, so it's pretty much equal to a 311str trinket with 431 vers

[wide pilot]

oh its only 1ppm 😦 ok cool thx!

[fresh belfry]

Would be 100 now if they brought todays hotfix earlier

[strong forum]

Almost all proc trinkets in DF are 1ppm

It's so boring

The only 2ppm or more trinkets are battle scarred scale and burgeoning seed

Tentacle scale is also higher

But everything else is 1ppm afaik

[modern brook]

Tentacle stonks rising

[dapper vapor]

what was the fix?

[fresh belfry]

The high end recipes (armor,weapon, not tools) give 3 skill points now

[dapper vapor]

oh snap

[river summit]

dmg or absorb ring from cobalt?

[dapper vapor]

now I just need to actually find people who want them made

[mellow quartz]

The alchemy ones are 2 ppm as well

[slim dove]

i went absorb, the dmg proc was giga inconsistent for me. Huge variance from dungeon to dungeon

[river summit]

alright cool! ty!

[autumn urchin]

u can buy both and right now you dont really need the absorb

[slim dove]

hoping they get nerfed cuz id rather use real rings tbh

[deft hazel]

which scale

[edgy grail]

I didn’t realize how much enchanting all your gear is actually worth

Not gold I mean dps

I always have it enchanted so going from nothing to all was like 11% lol

[zenith path]

can someone explain ignore pain? i just did a dungeon where i only used ignore pain and my hp didnt move i thought it blocked 55% of damage?

[edgy grail]

It absorbs 55% of the damage you take but its after what you actually block if im not mistake

[oak ivy]

unrelated is reset in 2 minutes or an hour +

daily

[tender cove]

Reset are 8am or 9 am depending on summer/winter time. That or we're talking about different things.

[oak ivy]

uhhh

give it to me in EST

10 or 11 is it?

[tender cove]

8 am or 9 am in whatever region you play

[oak ivy]

o

Gotcha

[autumn urchin]

reset was 1 min ago

[mellow quartz]

Depends on what time zone you are referencing for him to calculate that 😏

[edgy grail]

Yea it’s not 8 or 9 regardless of timezone

It’s not a rolling reset

[mellow quartz]

It’s 11 am EST 🤷‍♂️

[strong forum]

In his case the magmamtkmmamthh scale, can never remember that tentacle thingys name

Too many scales this patch 😠

[edgy grail]

Yea we slaying dragons

[strong forum]

Altho I guess that comes with the whole dwqgon thing

[lime rivet]

im reading mixed things online - is inspiration bugged / not working on Recrafting equipment? or inconclusive at the moment

[tender cove]

Very interesting take on wow and why the community is like it is lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKP1I7IocYU

[lucid gulch]

i need to craft with my prot warri twink the alchemist stone.. so my main gets some skillpoints 😄 😄 which one works better with prot the haste or versa one?

[severe steeple]

why does it say 13 days ago? i definately remember this video existing last year or smth

[tender cove]

That video is just insane. Its opened my eyes to wow in a completely different way. I knew the community was beyond fucked up but at this level? Wow...jus wow xD

[tender cove]

No idea. I found it in my feed 40 min ago

[severe steeple]

also 1.5 hours kekw

most of the faults of the game are blizzard failing to modernize it and lagging behind, adoptin new ideas wayy too late

[tender cove]

Even just the first chapter? Its pretty eye opening on the psychological aspects going into wow.

[tender cove]

That's not really what the video is about. Its more like the title says, "Why its rude to suck at wow" and he goes into explaining why and I kinda already knew but i've never had it explained like this. Pretty wild stuff.

[severe steeple]

yeah sorry i gave a really short answer, i meant the origin of most problems

like i see there is a chapter about addons etc

blizzard could take a no addon stance but then have to design fights better and with no obscure mechanics

[tender cove]

Again, not what the video is about. Watch it instead lol

He specifically goes into detail how its not blizzard fault or anything they could even influence as the game is coevolutionary and codesigned with the playerbase. I dunno, I cant describe it like dude does so just watch the video 😄

[severe steeple]

i am skimming a bit but no way i am watching a 1.5 hour video of someone complaining about wow (again)

[edgy grail]

The game is codesigned by the player base because blizzard allows it

There are a lot of psychological aspects ofc which is more so what I find interesting

[tender cove]

Thats the thing. Its not complaining. It's explaining on a psycological level how community shapes expectations and written and unwritten rules.

[edgy grail]

The reality is that its rude to suck at anything that is team related

[severe steeple]

thst just "society" tho

[tender cove]

Thats the TLDR yes but he explained it in a very elegant and "ohh shit, why didnt i see that before" while I knew the outcome I didnt, i dunno, understand it for lack of better english.

[sick sentinel]

did any craft weapon or work order it 1hande, i dunno difference betwenn selfcrasfted and work order like if you can continue to upgrade work ordered gear

seems like 1 hand probably smart thing to craft more dmg

[patent hull]

How we feeling about this trinket?

[sick sentinel]

i'd say that would go great with my 420 haste blaze it trinket, but thats double on uses 😦 20s cd between

[oak bay]

what race is looking to pull ahead as prot warrior?

[lyric elm]

its always dwarf and then everyone else

[muted nexus]

furry

[sick sentinel]

vulpera

pull at 40 yard

[oak bay]

well i will never be a furry warrior so lol

[strong forum]

Insanely meh

[patent hull]

Yeah seems like the CD is too long for it to be near worth it.

[versed widget]

thoughts on prot war damage?

[minor helm]

I need players like that in my m0s

[patent hull]

Just ok.

[lyric elm]

its balanced

had an arcane mage pull 100k on ST so yea, thats something to compare to

[patent hull]

Arcane is always strong early on.

[lyric elm]

yes, expect fire to pull later

[tender cove]

The consistently class thats always top dps in my runs? Warrior, not sure if they're arms or fury but boy do they be pumping mad hard

[deft hazel]

im worried prot get nerfed

[strong forum]

We've been nerfed 5 times already

And M0s inflate our dmg output

Cuz shit evaporates

And we are heavily frontloaded with our dmg profile

[gritty swallow]

Everything dies in like 15 seconds it’s just burst classes that look amazing

[minor helm]

Rampers btfo

[versed widget]

but 65k dmg overall >:)

[strong forum]

Pwar dmg is nutty, no doubt about it

[gritty swallow]

Frost mage in my guild was saying just wait for mobs to last more than just a burst window

[strong forum]

But pally and bear can keep right up

Brew ofc does even more

Vdh is a bit scuffed

Bdk is alright, could be better

[tender cove]

I know this is bit anecdotal but it feels like the community has decided pally is the current worst tank. How come, do you know?

[minor helm]

Owned by tier lists

[strong forum]

Cuz they didn't see Andy yet

[modern brook]

Cause they're bad and wrong

[strong forum]

And they completely ignore the 3 back to back buffs pally had

🙂

[gritty swallow]

Didn’t pally have a rough beta with bugs? I would say it’s just confirmation bias that pally bad in beta is pally bad in live

[strong forum]

Yeup

[severe steeple]

the times i wish i could throw my shield as a warrior

[tender cove]

yeh, i heard this about warrior as well, ppl talking like we're still in beta prenerf 😄

[strong forum]

The tank to look out for this season is paladin

[severe steeple]

but i really hate the conc/dnd playstyle that the pushed for pala and DK

[strong forum]

Pwar is super strong, but paladin is right there with them

[tender cove]

That makes me happy, pally is my 2nd favorite tank. Its pretty awesome to play tbh.

[severe steeple]

DK has it worse probably

[strong forum]

Dk is really strong too

[modern brook]

Idt any of the tanks aren't really strong rn

[severe steeple]

pala is also very good for pugs cause infinite interupts

[gritty swallow]

Tbh gotta level my pally up still I’m interested in at least messing around with it

[strong forum]

Like rn I'd say it's pally > pwar/bdk for pushing keys

[mellow quartz]

Showing damage breakdowns of m0’s is just pointless. If they pulled the whole instance then big numbers.

[tender cove]

Why wouldnt you pull the whole instance? 😒

😛

[lyric elm]

turtle trinket is mega broken on VDH rn since it does fire damage

[pastel sleet]

is there a quick reference for Bis Flasks, Potions, Foods, Consumables, and Enchants?

[ocean parcel]

Hey guys, any recommendations on guide videos for pwar?

[strong forum]

Mainstat

[fresh belfry]

around corners where nobody else could attack

[strong forum]

Can't recommend any video guides

[ocean parcel]

The icy veins and wow head ones that are pinned are good though? Although no video.

[tender cove]

Speaking of guides? Do warrior have anyone that does guides about how to play the dungeons as focus/priority rather than trying to teach you how to play warrior?

[modern brook]

Video guides are significantly harder to keep up to date

So they're rarely suggested contrnt

[lyric elm]

yes

[strong forum]

I think plka is working on a guide

Maybe that includes dungeons specifically

[ocean parcel]

Thanks. I haven't hit 70 yet but I just wanna make sure I'm prioritizes things correctly and what not so I'm not a lover when I start doing m0s and above

[tender cove]

Best guides i've ever seen was this german pally, forgot the name but he did breakdowns of his own runs and explaining the pulls he did, why, the logic/approach behind it and just tons of big brain stuff instead of the usual "Make sure to send ravager bla bla". I dont need more guides on how to play warrior. I need guides on how to approach the dungeons with a warrior centric focus.

Eltharion i think his name was, really cool dude

[modern brook]

Making sure you send ravager is the warrior focus :^)

[strong forum]

Andy used to have that kinda stuff in bfa

Pull by pull breakdown, which CDs to use where

[tender cove]

Yeh, exactly stuff like that, would be sooo good 😄

[strong forum]

I think he's the only rio tank who doesn't wing his gameplay in keys

And it shows

[tender cove]

Yeh, a bit more of an advanced warrior school instead of just hashing out "the basics" over and over again.

[strong forum]

Those kind of guides require insane prep

[fresh belfry]

the problem with that is your pacing needs to be the same as their pacing which means your dps needs to lineup with theirs otherwise all your cooldown planning is ass

[strong forum]

Like just thinking about it each dungeon video would be like 2hrs long

[fresh belfry]

and in order to figure that out you need to play the same key like 10 times with the same people

if not, wing it

[strong forum]

To break down my spell usage

[tender cove]

I dont think this is neccesarily true. Yes, you need to be on a higher level but that doesn't mean you can't adapt their play to your own groups, pace and style. Which i argue you should do anyhow.

[drifting pewter]

I'm hoping lariat isn't super annoying to access or get crafted

[sick sentinel]

Hi guys quick question from me

[strong forum]

Recipe comes from raid, its just like any other crafting order

[fresh belfry]

yes, you can adapt it. but you should make sure you dont try to hard to copy their cooldown usage or you might end up with sitting on your CDs for way too long because you "need to use CD on that pull specifically"

[drifting pewter]

it's from primal storms I thought

[sick sentinel]

The pinned message says 'BV is still bugged, works properly only on target dummies, everywhere else it bugs out and stops working once you cap your current IP. Will work again when IP falls off.' Does this mean if i hit IP 1 second before it expires BV will keep working?

[strong forum]

No

IP needs to hit 0

Absolutely be removed as a buff

Before BV starts to work again

[tender cove]

i agree, just trying to copy some mdi strat will pretty much always fail but i also think the deeper knowledge and detail goes a long way to improve your own play and at least for me, just keeping up with wow is a full time job in itself and I dont have that time anymore, i just dont.
So would be nice having such guides.

[sick sentinel]

So basically, to make full use of the currently bugged BV, i do not cap IP, but let it expire then hit it again, rinse and repeat?

[strong forum]

Pmuch

[sick sentinel]

I have the IP WA timer so should be fine to manage

Thanks

[strong forum]

Eh

You'll press IP when you need to

[modern brook]

I'm of the opinion that a key is essentially just a 20 minute raid fight.

[strong forum]

Don't try to gain value out of BV

[modern brook]

You can optimize your shit as much as you want

[strong forum]

And actively avoid pressing IP

That'll hurt you more than you'd gain

[modern brook]

Ut at the point you're discussing its almost entirely a strat

[fresh belfry]

I think crafting lariat early is a trap. it has no mainstats. secondaries scale meh in first tier and it only really starts doing its job once the rest of your gear has some actual ilvl

[modern brook]

And needs to be communicated adapted and practiced with your group

[sick sentinel]

i have no addons turned on currently, only all the things and auto vendor/repair

Should i not be keeping up IP?

[tender cove]

Ohh no, raiding is ez mode compared to m+. cant even compare. In raid, its a boss and their mechanics. In a dungeon, its 3-4 bosses plus requiring detailed knowledge about what pulls, what to interupt and the small list that goes with it.

[strong forum]

You should, but you shouldn't play around BV by purposefully not pressing IP to cap or have it fall off

[bronze helm]

bv = booming voice?

[modern brook]

You're missing the point

[sick sentinel]

Gotcha

[modern brook]

In this context brutal vitality

[strong forum]

Just send IP without any further thought than to prevent overcapping of rage

[bronze helm]

oh right that makes more sense, sorry i missed part of the discussion

[sick sentinel]

It's kinda sad fuelled by violence is still not worth it, i thought the buff would make it at least even

[fresh belfry]

is this some elaborate copypasta?

[strong forum]

Well it is better

[modern brook]

Don't apologize they're abusing their names

[strong forum]

With bugged BV

Just play fbv and you'll be fine

That choice node is very very minor

In the grand scheme of things

[modern brook]

The best part of bv is it let's you take tan

[sick sentinel]

Ah ok, hopefully blizz will fix the BV bug - is prot warrior still S Tier tanks with the nerf?

[tender cove]

not really, just me not agreeing with you that "a key is essentially a 20 min raid fight". couldn't be further from the truth but we can agree to disagree? 🙂

[sick sentinel]

im going to argue 30 minutes

closer to 30 minutes overall id say

[strong forum]

I hate that question, but obviously yes

[sick sentinel]

BTW does anyone else notice that fuelled by violence doesnt work when using target dummies (according to healing stats on Details).

[severe steeple]

looking at a key as a 30 min fight with multiple phases is not wrong

[sick sentinel]

basically as long as a standard tv 30 minute or 60 minute slot before you can expect people to start raging out

if you somehow exceed this much time, i think its justifiable

[modern brook]

Also not the point yogi

You can make any fight last as long as you want

[sick sentinel]

No heals from Fuelled by violence shows up even when talented while hitting dummies.

point is, once the key is, your locked into that time frame now and expected to do something, like having the safety cage lower over you as you get on the roller coaster

no stopping it now

[strong forum]

You're looking at overhealing

Fbv doesn't over heal, neither does leech

They don't proc if you're at full HP

[sick sentinel]

Oh my bad

Thanks

[strong forum]

They only heal when you can actually be healed

[sick sentinel]

Guess ill test it on some mobs

[strong forum]

Just hit the tanking dummy

And maybe not in stormwind

[severe steeple]

god bless valdrakken for proper dummies

[strong forum]

This

Peak dummys

[bronze helm]

there was one covenant with good dummies in shadowlands

[lyric elm]

i like that they are closely packed

[sick sentinel]

Dont think theres any tanking dummies in SW

it sounds stupid a bit, but i'd be down for if after you complete a dungeon of any type, but mostly related to m+keys, its like, how do i put it, you get a report card at the end

[strong forum]

Exactly

[sick sentinel]

for your self, how you did

[strong forum]

Go to valdrakken, all your dummy dreams will be fulfilled

[sick sentinel]

Thanks for being so helpful and patient with all my questions

[strong forum]

Gladiator smth it's called

[lyric elm]

need some gnome dummies

[sick sentinel]

Appreciate it

[lusty tiger]

@strong forum do you only run keys with your 5 stack?

I’m trying to figure out schedule to push with my team and am new to this

[sick sentinel]

tanking ones existed in SL also, at the various 4 covenant bases, there would be a tank dummy that would smack u back, but i think those are low lvl now possibly

I was scared to go back to Valdrakken because i kept getting DCd a lot yesterday (EU)

[lyric elm]

its ok now. but yea a few hours ago all VDs crashed on eu

[modern brook]

What exactly is the blocker to finding a time all 5 of you can be on?

[sick sentinel]

cuz, i don't remember if one killed me, or, it did a whole bunch of damage to me where i was low hp red screen flash

but i 100% remember this happening at kyrian base

[lusty tiger]

One raids, ones a dad, one is not hardcore m+

Me and my healer are the only ones on every night

[modern brook]

With absolutely no malice that is not a push team then lol

[strong forum]

Pmuch

[lusty tiger]

Well at least maybe pass +20

[lyric elm]

wow players are notoriously bad at scheduling for some reason

[modern brook]

I just mean like if you're going to be doing keys with them and they're not making the effort to like show up(valid reason or otherwise) you just replace the slot

[lusty tiger]

It is hard

[modern brook]

Yeah fully understand

But I would find more players dedicated to pushing to try and like schedule push time around

And play with boys when they're available

[mellow quartz]

I tend to just whisper people I see online whenever I wanna do keys instead of having 4 other fixed players.

[lyric elm]

at least we dont have to deal with the clusterfuck that is mythic raiding in wow. it's a terrible system

[modern brook]

Rather than trying to force it

[lyric elm]

now we can get equivalent gear of early mythic in m+

[lyric elm]

there's some discord servers around. otherwise ask people you play with in random groups if you think they play good

[sick sentinel]

god, finally got used to layout of oribos, now have to get used to valdraken

[modern brook]

[sick sentinel]

can't remember where shit is here excpet fp ah and work order

[modern brook]

Yogi how did it take u 3 years to get used to a circle 😡

[lusty tiger]

[sick sentinel]

cuz its TOO MUCH similar

when the city is more abstract shape not having to look for small details

[lusty tiger]

I think I’ve spent all of 10 min in valdrakken

[sick sentinel]

play doom orginal

and then play, free doom

just

[lusty tiger]

Had to level a stupid pvp priest to push to stupid 2100

[sick sentinel]

then you'll see what i mean, free doom all the maps there is no cohesiveness

and it all blends together and looks like shit and you have to squint to properly ID anything, even though its all there works like it should, same shit applies to oribos

shadowlands gives me the big depression, no more SL

[thin silo]

Oribos: Bank/Vault N, fp SE

[sick sentinel]

how about, some, you know you go to the mall

YOU ARE HERE maps, like 2 or 3 of them across map

[lusty tiger]

M

[oak echo]

and every building had a sign

also never been to a mall that takes 12 seconds to go from one side to the other

[sick sentinel]

the signs need to have large bold icons across the sign if we go that route

[lusty tiger]

Like grand theft auto?

[sick sentinel]

im unsure of how you mean, cuz i quit gta for most part after vice city stories on psp

i 99%'d that one, and then did a casual playthrough of gta5

never played SA at all, but gta4 is goated

[naive panther]

This last nerf kind of hurts the big pulls, anyone else notice that?

[lusty tiger]

What nerf?

[severe steeple]

big pulls where?

[modern brook]

i have not noticed tanking this expac yet.

[sick sentinel]

so we just always take FBV now?

until its counterpart BV is fixed?

[naive panther]

Dungeons pulling everything

Oh is it completely broken?

[modern brook]

we did Uldaman in 4 pulls

no problems

[modern brook]

its no more broken than it has been

[granite anvil]

Pull until your dps start dying

[sick sentinel]

i dunno man, i just do normal man pulls

[naive panther]

So I shouldn't have noticed anythibg?

[modern brook]

Not froma bv nerf, no

[naive panther]

Ok thx. So I'll swap that talent. Why nerf something that's broken?

Must have just been lousy dps or heals. Cause I swear same pull was fine before

[sick sentinel]

im not really of this mindset to just pull literal half the dungeon trash and 2 boses at once and ah, its easy

i much prefer to boomer 4 head this hit

[modern brook]

the FBV vs BV choice node is not a very impactful node on its own, even when considering a non-bugged BV

but yeah i would guess a sleeping healer

[naive panther]

Hmm I would have thought a 30% bv would be wildly strong or even 15% at least until damage taken becomes much higher.

[modern brook]

with generic talents you end up hammering IP so often anyways it barely matters

[zenith vale]

shield bros

https://www.wowhead.com/item=190522/infurious-helm-of-vengeance

is this shit good ?

nice ppm ?

[neon elk]

What ilvl are we able to craft using only m+ ? HC froms 11s? Or does it scale higher ?

[hasty field]

Anyone having hard times finding a guild to raid with as a tank? Or do all of you play offspec?

[ebon wren]

the healing/damage is useless

[ocean bloom]

finding a guild recruiting a tank is hard, but once oyu are in and arnt throwing you are good for the next 10 years

[modern brook]

Iunno if a guilds looking for a tank

thats already a redflag imo

[sturdy sable]

???

[ocean parcel]

I've never had a consistent guild as a tank because I get told I don't play enough to tank. Which I don't even think makes sense.

[severe steeple]

well tank is an important role, if you can't have 100% attendance its a bit of an issue

[wind quartz]

best profession for prot warrs?

[silent cave]

mining, enchanting, then crafting order your gear (imho)

[wind quartz]

Tq

[jolly wasp]

is the BS shield that procs versa worth it? Considering its stats are kinda meh

[strong forum]

It's nothing special

60% uptime on 1.5% vers

It's not stronger than anything else, or particularly weaker than other stuff

It exists

[tender cove]

Microsoft blocked from acquiring Blizz...

Not sure why but I was happy seeing microsoft takeover.

[prisma crane]

one of those things that felt good because of how shit blizz management has been, but the closer we get to monopolies i think the worse it'll be for players

[torn gulch]

you basically only read the headline of whatever article you read

FTC does not want the deal blocked per se they want consessions and assurances from Microsoft on several things

[mellow quartz]

It’s not specifically blocked yet. No one guarantees the FTC will succeed in their claims.

[torn gulch]

like call of duty not becoming exclusive etc

[raven ginkgo]

concessions so expensive today its like 10 bucks for a hotdog at a game

[torn gulch]

i mean you guys in US get robbed at matches anyway, welcome to ultracapitalist USA

[tender cove]

You mean like they gave european union assurances?

That didn't matter much at all, just like it says in the text.

[torn gulch]

Why do you think they signed the deal with nintendo for Call of Duty?

[raven ginkgo]

Oops

[ionic roost]

Sony just doesn't want CoD to become an Xbox exclusive

That's the only thing they care about

[tender cove]

Wasnt microsoft the first one to stop with the exclusives for consoles, having hard data that it costs them more money than they gain? Or did i just imagine that?

[torn gulch]

yes sony is behaving like an idiot

even after the merger sony and nintendo will have bigger marketshare

[tender cove]

I play console at times but I would never go "ohh, i need to buy an xbox/ps just so i can play this specific game" wtf xD

well, maybe for god of war, that shit was just outstanding

[torn gulch]

the moment i see a game as an exclusive i pass

no matter how good the game is

[raven ginkgo]

so not never

[tender cove]

sure

[torn gulch]

putting artificial locks on games for bussiness reasons is stupid and they can go take a hike

[mellow quartz]

Like the epic game store. If something is exclusive there I don’t touch it until it comes to steam 12 months later.

[torn gulch]

i've never even touched epic store
steam+battle net

more than enough for me

[sick sentinel]

i still don't understand the point of doing these

[spiral mason]

[torn gulch]

5k rep

[raven ginkgo]

its so you can jump off the top

adios

[torn gulch]

2 renown levels

[tender cove]

Pretty useful for the weekly quest. gives 250 rep each.

[limpid anchor]

Fun acrivity

[neon elk]

Isnt is like one time only tho?

[deft vessel]

I give up on sims, yes, sure, this purely defensive on use trinket is totally better, yep

vs, this

[neon elk]

This specific one is buged in sims and most likely count self dmg as dmg done

[deft vessel]

I can see that happening

[edgy grail]

Link the sim

[stark jewel]

yeah when I ran a droptimizer that trinket was a 20% upgrade

I assumed it counted the self dmg as dmg done

[edgy grail]

You can check what the problem is pretty easily

Technically it is damage you do 😂

[tender cove]

yeh, it is. But i saved mine for the weekly and usually i need 1000-1500 after just doing all the weekly stuff and then i fly around and pick some of them and done 🙂

[cobalt seal]

Who is telling you to do them?

[sick sentinel]

i think i will try azure spires again

[deft vessel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xboXvKN59Bqx9Tpku5GXYn

report disabled it says though

[cobalt seal]

That trinket is bugged in sims

Its counting the self dmg

As dmg done

[topaz mauve]

Is it safe to say that since wowhead does not mention any use of slam or whirlwind that neither are every used in any scenario and revenge is the best for both aoe and single target range spenders?

[severe steeple]

yes

[odd tree]

yes, remove from bars

[severe steeple]

they just added some spells back to please the classic enjoyers

[dreamy root]

Are you guys finding that the Primal Ritual shell is performing well?

If so, what buff are you taking from it, the flat damage done?

[void summit]

Is the haste alchemy trinket any good for us?

[severe steeple]

WAIT

they added weapons on legion dungeons

[lucid dew]

wait really

[severe steeple]

literally don't move

[sick sentinel]

okay, completed azure spires this time, got the belt

[loud hull]

yo what would idealy be the best item i can craft as protection?

[magic lynx]

hey guys new to prot

is there ever a situation where i would swap to battle stance over d stance?

[trail crow]

literally always.

D stance is the situational ability there, not battle stance

[magic lynx]

oh wow

okay

[trail crow]

Yeah, Blizzard works in mysterious ways.

high tank damage bosses or very large/intensive m+ pulls will necessitate defensive stance.

but otherwise you'll be chillin' in battle.

[magic lynx]

interesting lol

thanks!

[trail crow]

[bronze quest]

Is there anything written anywhere about Prot and Engineering? I'm not sure if I should make the goggles and wrists, I can't find how valuable the tinker slots are anywhere yet

[trail crow]

The malding over spark of inspirations has been greatly overstated.

[mellow quartz]

Brez and invis tinker slots

[magic lynx]

also i rolled a Dark iron dwarf over a normal dwarf

w or l?

[strong forum]

neither

its net neutral between the 2

[magic lynx]

was there a better race on ally? im not too interested in super min maxxing but i thought a void elf warrior would look a bit weird xd

[strong forum]

normal dwarf has better customisation and gets 2% crit damage
dark iron has fire beard and gets ~10% mainstat when you use your debuff cleanse

those are the only 2 relevant differences between them

[delicate lake]

kul tiran is best tank on alliance but just play w/e you want

[loud hull]

yo

stas haste/crit for prot yea?

[trail crow]

[strong forum]

rly isnt

kul tiran is just a worse high mountain tauren

and hmt isnt all that good either

regular tauren is better

[delicate lake]

i love playing tauren on alliance.

[strong forum]

im simply making the point

that the "2% of dmg taken as healing" is overrated

aswell as the 1% vers

[edgy grail]

Vulpera is the best clearly

[strong forum]

its fuckall gains compared to dwarf, draenei or even human

[silent anchor]

im torn

[strong forum]

life flame

[silent anchor]

done

i liked it before, made for way bigger burst

[strong forum]

well the dmg is tiny

but its permanent strength + dmg effect

vs 1ppm str proc with a bit of vers

[silent anchor]

if you pop it first it pads the meters haha.

yeah thats fair, only took it before since it was ilvl upgrade plus str proc

[strong forum]

its not terrible for now

ilvl

[silent anchor]

ive got the ilvl on 🙂

forgestorm is nice, but could do with proccing more

[lethal tree]

I'm gonna put this here just once, maybe its a terrible idea and only a few people want to play prot this way. But here you go lol...dont be too hard on me 😦 I rarely make suggestions and I dunno how much a point of making suggestions on blizzard forum is, they probably dont read them or maybe do dunno...

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/turning-prot-into-an-optional-dps-spec-suggestion/1439103

[silent anchor]

thanks for your input btw

[strong forum]

glad stance warri was a thing in WoD

[silent anchor]

aint done too bad for basically pure luck

[strong forum]

it wasnt good in pve, was brokenly strong in pvp

[lethal tree]

I dunno if there were downsides to glad stance, but I did say in my suggestion there should definitely be downsides to make up for prots insane self sustain

[trail crow]

Glad Stance was nice for open world content

[strong forum]

glad stance made it so you couldnt swap out of it until you left combat

you were a tanky dps, and incapable of tanking

thats where shield charge came from

[trail crow]

I don't think there's a very compelling reason to bring Glad stance back in any way shape or form as a content playstyle.

[lethal tree]

But I'm not good at math so I just put a basic suggestion of opposite of defensive stance, take more damage (20% or something), no threat gen, do like 10% more damage, and MAYBE -10% healing recieved to make up for prots crazy sustain they have (but in the thread I did say I dunno how nerfed that be)

[trail crow]

Hybridizing roles inside of a spec is asinine.

[strong forum]

yeah it was fun while it lasted, but it was basically a 4th spec nobody wanted to balance

[trail crow]

There are a lot of abilities that ignore players with the tank role, or target players with the tank role, etc.

[strong forum]

and was just worse at everything than a proper dps

so it got removed

[lethal tree]

I know shamans used to be able to have a shield and do 1 hand+shield...dps? or tanking been a long time so dont really remember. That was the only other spec that existed that was sorta a 1 handed+shield dpsish spec

[strong forum]

people attempted it in vanilla wow

[trail crow]

There's plenty of classes that have 1h + shield dps

[strong forum]

but it was also just bad

[tender cove]

it was a fun thing but I dont know if it ever had a real purpose.

[strong forum]

never had a real purrpose other than "oh fun"

[trail crow]

eh plenty is a strong word

Rockbiter Enh was a thing moreso for memes

[lethal tree]

vanilla did have a bunch of crazy builds. There was shockadin or something or like this mage based paladin or something. Melee warlocks people tried. Melee priests were a thing I guess

[jagged pier]

But prot hasnt got crazy sustain, were built around not taking damage, and as nothing does any damage atm ppl think we are unkillable. When actually all the tanks are unkillable. As well as the fact that they have stated they are trying to make tanking more appealing for ppl so have taken the responibilty off the tanks, like dungeons have far far more aoe damage to the party than tank damage now

[strong forum]

at this point youd need to remove vanguard aura if you enter glad stance

[jagged pier]

Remove vanguard remove all the buffs to block

[strong forum]

like the idea and thought is fun

and id love a glad spec

but it would have to be an actual spec

[trail crow]

Idk, it would literally need to be a fourth spec a la Druid to ever be viable.

[strong forum]

not just a stance

[trail crow]

ye

[jagged pier]

Glad was fun, am i glad its gone. Kinda yer tbh

And i played glad alot

Do u know why i didnt like it because no 2h

[vital sinew]

Glad in highmaul was great. Felt like cheating not having to gear a 2nd spec

[severe steeple]

i wanna see some seemingly weird specs, 2h+shield like crusader d3 build and single 1hand (meaning nothing in the offhand)

[deft vessel]

okay, I guess I got to sim again lol

[trail crow]

I'd bet a piece of anatomy that forgestorm is better than a crit/vers mace.

[severe steeple]

don't overthink this ilvl trinkets, depending on how much you play you are gonna switch trinkets every other day the next month

[trail crow]

at least in aoe

[deft vessel]

the screenshot is not trinkets

[weak snow]

no need to, the forge storm is missing main stat.

[deft vessel]

sure, but its proc is worth something after all

[weak snow]

and the proc doesn't make up for it.

[deft vessel]

I don't know for sure that it's better or worse

thus the need for sim (imo)

[weak snow]

its like 1ppm

[hard vessel]

Can sb explain why everybody thinks that prot Warr is miles ahead of every other tank?

[strong forum]

on beta it was absolutely worth it

dunno if they nerfed it or not

[severe steeple]

woops, anyway answer is the same

[strong forum]

cuz its very easy now and block is very strong

thats the super dumb version

[severe steeple]

by the time the difference of same ilvl items matters you will have vendored these a hundred times

[deft vessel]

patchwerk 1 target

dungeon slice

so it very much is still quite strong

[hard vessel]

Ye but Im. Pretty sure pally and dk are same as unkillable if played properly?

[weak snow]

hmm it didn't proc all that much to be worthwhile when i hit a dummy for 5 mins with it.

[strong forum]

all tanks are unkillable

besides maybe brew

[deft vessel]

just play whatever tank you enjoy dude

[strong forum]

but that requires more testing

[deft vessel]

I played prot war during most of shadowlands, I was fine, like, it's fine

just play what you have fun with

[strong forum]

but its just a novelty from alot of people whove not played prot warri since BFA

[weak snow]

those 100%+ versa days

[strong forum]

in SL they had to put in effort to get SB uptime

now SB is 62.5% stronger, you have it effortlessly, we have more damage, and you get 10% leech for free

[trail crow]

Nomer, please keep your voice down.

[strong forum]

those are the literal reasons why prot is so good now

[trail crow]

Actually frankly there's probably a few candidates for nerfs above Warrior.

[hard vessel]

OK ye but it's still not by far ahead like everybodys telling

[strong forum]

nop

it aint

[jagged pier]

☝️

[strong forum]

just people who havent played pwar in SL

[trail crow]

Who is saying that? Nobody in the competitive community seems to be representing prot as the best tank of the expansion.

It's strong, sure.

[strong forum]

cuz we were, apart from the leech and dmg output, just as good in SL

[strong forum]

literally everybody.

[weak snow]

I think its more that youtube is still flooded with beta content that claims prot is the best.

[trail crow]

let me rephrase

[strong forum]

theyre all latching onto it cuz its now so easy

[trail crow]

who's opinion that matters

[thin silo]

Or watching alpha build videos still and assuming it's the same as live

[jagged pier]

Literally every ytber or streamer while still playing half the classes wrong

[hard vessel]

So same people who said prot Warr is dead during SL think now prot is the only good tank

[trail crow]

that's not true and you know it lol

[strong forum]

yes

[strong forum]

youd be surprised

[weak snow]

sensational thumbnails and headlines sells clicks

[trail crow]

The two largest sources of YouTube takes, Titanforged and Max both advertised Prot war very specifically as a strong but not disgustingly overpowered tank.

And subsequently classified numerous other instances of tanks above them.

well numerous comparatively.

[strong forum]

if thats the case, good

[trail crow]

I mean they're correct lol

[strong forum]

cuz ive not heard any of them say that

[trail crow]

The hottest take to come out of Titanforged so far is that Paladin is actually the best tank of the tier.

[strong forum]

nah

[deft vessel]

literally a few minutes later...

[strong forum]

thats true

[vital sinew]

Thats yoda copium

[strong forum]

i fully support that statement

no it aint

[severe steeple]

yes but i would bet the ppl that go to titanforge and max get dwarfed by the ppl that just search "dragonflight tank tier list"

[strong forum]

pally is lowkey

gonna be the best m+ tank

[trail crow]

Mmmmmmmeeeeeehhhhh

[severe steeple]

and get reccomended clickbait ytubers

[strong forum]

yes

[trail crow]

I'll bet a month of sub time

[strong forum]

they jsut received 3 back to back buffs

which do matter

[hard vessel]

And they can make your group live

[vital sinew]

how is their bug list doing

[strong forum]

they have access to 1min CD sac, bop, spell warding, debuff cleanse

very good damage

[hard vessel]

Pally meta confirmed

[deft vessel]

combat res now too

lol

[strong forum]

100% uptime on sotr, consecrate, 80% block chance, perma spell block

[trail crow]

I think it's going to depend FAR more on what kind of damage classes groups are running.

[thin silo]

And brez

[strong forum]

combat res

[deft vessel]

ranged, instant cast combat rez

because paladin DEFINITELY needed more utility

[strong forum]

pally is fucking stacked

[trail crow]

Veng p strong too atm.

[strong forum]

veng got shafted

theyre good

[trail crow]

Did it just get nerfed?

[strong forum]

but not as good as people make it out to be

[trail crow]

Because if not it's very stronk

[strong forum]

veng got nerfed like 3 times

[hard vessel]

Havoc too good

[strong forum]

lol

[deft vessel]

are you for real now sim

[vital sinew]

Hunt nerf big?

[deft vessel]

my 372 is stronger???????

[trail crow]

meh

[strong forum]

the frailty nerf was a huge nerf

to their surv and damage

fodder nerf was quite big

but its still better than ED

[trail crow]

Fodder sucks and I have zero idea why they decided to keep it in the damn game.

ED was so much more satisfying to press.

[strong forum]

sure, but fodder is just better

[trail crow]

Understood completely.

[strong forum]

but yeah

[deft vessel]

and dungeon slice.... I am thoroughly confused by this, the sims are suggesting my 372 weapon without main stat is better than my 379 weapon with main stat, all because of the proc of the lower ilvl one

[strong forum]

as it stands right now

we're gonna see all 6 tanks represented on the "leaderboard"

all tanks fucking own

you literally cant pick wrong

[trail crow]

My take is that; VDH will be the meta tank if we see heavy mage damage comps for obvious reasons. Otherwise it'll be split between DK/War because group utility and survivability is suuuuuper important as key levels get to one-shot range.

oh i'll agree with that.

[weak snow]

• you are assuming simc has the correct logic for forgestorm, i'd check the simc logs and compare it to how much ppm you are seeing in game.

[trail crow]

All tanks are perfectly viable and will see endgame keyplay

[strong forum]

we're gonna see a repeat of SL s2

[trail crow]

why are you still hung up on forgestorm being bad?

The logs were fine in beta.

The sims are fine.

[weak snow]

cause thats beta? i have a 372 as well and it doesn't line up with simc results.

[trail crow]

Skill issue.

[strong forum]

what talents are you playing

[weak snow]

just go try a dummy

[strong forum]

cuz battering ram makes forgestorm alot better

[trail crow]

I don't need to, I use the damn weapon lol

Forgestorm is a perfectly acceptable M+ wep, and iirc is still fairly competitive in ST environments.

[strong forum]

ive had lucky procs of forgestorm doing 5k dps on ST

over 5minutes 🙂

then an unlucky test of forgestorm doing only 500dps

[deft vessel]

1 per minute, seems in line with my in game observations, around 4% of my overall damage

it's just that good apparently

[strong forum]

yea it does slap

its gonna be bis in s2

100%

unless they nerf it ofc

[weak snow]

im just unlucky af i guess

[strong forum]

it has alot of rng to it

[deft vessel]

is a cool af weapon too

[strong forum]

but averages out over a while

[jagged pier]

Cant wait for me to get it final week

[deft vessel]

eh, over a whole dungeon it's pretty consistently landed me at ~4% of my overall damage

[jagged pier]

That will be pog

[deft vessel]

as it is in the sim

I got it first week mythic, so ran all my mthic 0s this week with it

small sample size obv, but still

[strong forum]

ive not done my m0s yet

idk if i will at all

only item i can get is maybe a trinket or 2 and gloves

[trail crow]

Meh, I did M0s this week and got a single upgrade— rare farms and super rares are so much more lucrative at 378ish.