protection

[craggy pilot]

you dont need to wait for spark too upgrade

[fierce field]

Did they actually update loot tables for the old dungeons in the m+ cycle, or are we going to end up with artifact items? ><

[pallid quiver]

Recrafting spark items? You don't need another spark, if so

[wary heath]

1 spark = 1 crafted epic

[pallid quiver]

You need a smaller amount of the other mats + artisan's mettle

[tender cove]

interesting

[pallid quiver]

And you can try to get higher quality or add in a new matrix type item to increase ilvl

[icy citrus]

So what is conclusion, what is best to craft?

[wary heath]

we get another spark on tuesday for free, spend em on something good

shield

[dawn marsh]

I know the option of start advanced combat logging on BW when a pull timer starts and the encounter ends. But is there a widely used add-on that also enables logging when entering and finishing a mythic dungeon?

[tender cove]

just using the order system or I have to find a armor smith?

[wary heath]

you have to spam trade, or know a guildy/ friend

to get anything higher than tier 1

[severe steeple]

392 is still a chance to get right?

[wary heath]

no, it can be garunteed

[pallid quiver]

I'd recommend finding a smith and doing a personal order since you can require a minimum quality there

[severe steeple]

shiiiiiieeeeeet

[wary heath]

i just found a tier 5 guy from spamming trade

[pallid quiver]

Public Orders have no order control, so you could get up to max quality

or more likely some dude clicking for their weekly getting you tier 1 with your tier 3 mats

[severe steeple]

yeah there is no way im doing public order

[craggy pilot]

how much did he want?

if anything

[wary heath]

you definitely wont get tier 5 through public, they have to use artisans mettle and an insight

[severe steeple]

when i saw that you can not control quality

[wary heath]

i gave him 5k, i supplied all the mats

[craggy pilot]

nice, fairly cheap

considering 5 tier shield people are very rare

[wary heath]

yeah

[craggy pilot]

he must have farmed a ton of Dirt 😄

i fully specialized in shield, and i can only make Rank 4

[wary heath]

he told me he had to use an insight to garuntee 5, i dont know what it is but he said its limited per week

[craggy pilot]

93 knowledge into shield, and only rank 4 🤷‍♂️

[vernal vale]

Yeah I made a mistake public ordered and got tier 3

[tender cove]

I've made every single alchemy recipe i can find excluding some gated behind reps. I've got like 30ish knowledge or smt xD

[sick sentinel]

big body benz i remember i used to be dusty asf

[wary heath]

yeah so he did me a solid then, i would have paid 50k, but he said 5 was fine

[craggy pilot]

oh wait ye im Shield Specializy and can only make Rank 3 😄 with a "chance" of skill 4

[wary heath]

if you are sargeras i can give you the name

[craggy pilot]

i am EU

he is probably max skill anyway, otherwise he cant make that shield Rank 5

[fierce field]

I've been using my insight for my public orders if it pushes their mats to the next tier 😄

[icy citrus]

How so if I may ask

[lyric geode]

To be honest with you guys

This is how I feel about how complex are professions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein_coefficients

[tulip kelp]

But once you figure it out

[wary heath]

shield because you can keep upgrading it

and large slot to have in your control of stats, and ilvl

also sparks are going to be thrown at us over the next few weeks

you could also just hang on to them in theory, but it doesnt really matter either way

i dont like the stats the ones on the vault of incarte shields have

they have low haste, or no haste

[lyric geode]

Indeed

[tender cove]

soo sick. Was recrafting shield and this nice pally was guiding me trough everything. Very chill dude, didn't want any gold or anything, just happy to help another tank.
And I lucked out, he procced it at 389 ilvl for a 28% chance 😄

[wary heath]

there isn't a right answer though, you could get a banger shield in your M+ vault week 1

i just like having a good shield going into week 1, in my mind

[lyric valley]

I got similar ilvl gear and put your talents in, but generate 35k dps, do trinkets make a 40k dps difference?

[tender cove]

guessing you didnt select 5 targets and same time.

[gusty delta]

Has anyone tried seeing how many stacks they can get to with boulderfist in the gladiators refuge? trying to see where some builds stand vs others

[icy citrus]

@wary heath i like the way you think indeed

[lyric valley]

I took his sim, pressed run sim again, and put in my simc

and I just checked, dungeon slice and everything

[tender cove]

Could you link yours here so they can look at it?

I have no idea why it would be that much, it's def not trinkets.

[lyric valley]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tHerHLL6vXxwJAsvmG5GLj

it's probably something super obvious
maybe cause my shield is 366?

[compact jackal]

Someone decide for me for what combo of Elemental Lariat/Infurious Helm/Raid Recipe Bracers/Unstable Belt to do

I can 5* the BSing ones myself easily

[tender cove]

he does 5 targets patchwerk for 5 min. You do dungeon slice. Do the same sim and check again.

[lyric valley]

weird, thought it would do the same thing if I clicked run sim again on his chart

but alright

[tender cove]

Try going into a fresh topgear, import your addon and make sure its selected under sims at the bottom

[lyric valley]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1Uuk5U5S6ExAumjiPNbVB1

[tender cove]

Under bosses tab, select 5 targets instead of 1 🙂

[lyric valley]

wait I'm stupid

yeah, I reread your thing

[tender cove]

Also, i checked and nom had bloodlust select, which you need to enable as its off by default

so thirds time the charm now 😄

[latent tusk]

im invested now

run the sim!

[lyric valley]

optimal raid buffs as well?

[tender cove]

lemme check

Nah just let that be off and only tick "bloodlust" below

[wary heath]

d

[tender cove]

teach a man how to fish and all that. Think it could be useful.

[wary heath]

oops

[icy citrus]

And I would also take vers instead of crit. Idk why all are so hyped about that crit xD

[wary heath]

people in here are hyped on crit because it's direct dps, they are min maxers, nothing wrong about it haha

i care less and like the smoothness of vers

[tender cove]

If the mob dies it can't hurt you but yeh, dps is nice but I also think the parry bonus is nice with a shield/block class like warrior. With more gear, bit lucky procs on avoidance etc. It all adds up and soon you'll have 40% combined. With block on top. Its good.

Its just a little bit of double dipping 😄

[lyric valley]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5DnFmrqsPmztL5nV3CWocx

5 target patchwerk, only bloodlust, should be right

got 75k with all raid buffs tho

[tender cove]

You dont have raid buffs enabled. So i lied to you. My bad xD

[wary heath]

lots of my random pieces outside of my control will probably have crit or mastery

dont need to chase it on things i can control

[lyric valley]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/r7io98mZeA5XAS4Hmxx5yK

[icy citrus]

Yeah i agree to that Freakadin, but we have situation where only consistent magic dmg can hurt us. And mby lot of Vers is only way to survive lets say high Jade Seprent key

[tender cove]

See. We made it 😄

[wary heath]

vers makes everything buttery smooth, i just like it, but for the crit boys in here, more power to them

[tender cove]

If that's the case. Maybe the spell block talent will rise in value?

[lyric valley]

we got there in the end, that's the important part

[icy citrus]

Thats inevitable ofc

[tender cove]

For me? Its more about bigger numbers being more fun. The parry is more copium on my part xD

[icy citrus]

All clear, i also like big numbers in this particular moment. But want to think in advance for pushing keys

[wary heath]

a good mix is fine

[tender cove]

rn. I have just gotten the gear i've gotten and its been every piece with either haste or crit or both.

[lyric valley]

idk, I just used the talents that nom used for their sim 😬

[wary heath]

nom had 2 trinkets on

and the neck, and the weapon enchant

[craggy pilot]

did someone say Crit?

[compact jackal]

I seriously think I might just infurious helm + allied wristguard.

Easier than having to deal with finding a JC to 5* and having the haste proc tbh

[lucid dew]

is anyone going with engi for tinkers?

[warm plinth]

haven't heard of any of the tinkers really being worth a damn

[craggy pilot]

i believe you can use some of the tinker sockets without being engi? 🤔

[lucid dew]

i think bracers

but im not sure you can get every tinker

i think you have to be a tinker to craft cables for example

[warm plinth]

yes

[lucid dew]

when are guides going to be ready!

[wary heath]

on what

[warm plinth]

You probably have to be to craft them but anyone can use cables in DF

[junior hemlock]

Is there a good way to sim for tank gear? And not just sim for dps in tank gear?

[warm plinth]

No, there's no way to sim survival

[wary heath]

get hit by the target dummy

[warm plinth]

But more stats are better than certain stats for survival so just equip what's higher ilevel and otherwise go for what's best for DPS.

[junior hemlock]

Im surprised no ones made a sim for that in all the years of wow

[warm plinth]

You can't sim it

It's not that no one has made it. People have tried, and some even claim that it's accurate (it's not).

AMR has had a "tank sim" for years, but it's useless

In a real scenario you might be able to charge more (e.g. pack to pack, if adds spawn on a boss, etc.) but you probably lose more damage than you gain by doing something like heroic leaping out to charge back in.

Since you're probably losing an auto attack, a global-ish of uptime on the boss, and you're sacrificing that for some rage

[vital oak]

Possibly silly question, does the Ilvl of the shield directly improve the damage of shield slam?

[warm plinth]

No

[vital oak]

ty 🙂

[warm plinth]

Shield slam damage is calculated like any other damaging ability. Shield ilevel is still your most important thing besides weapon ilevel though

[silent cave]

@strong forum you're right - not having BT is way smoother...

[warm plinth]

well if you have outburst up and you shield slam, you're getting double rage

But I don't think anyone really decides that stuff. They approximate what they think you should do, they sim it (as well as I'm sure a bunch of other potentials) and they leave it at the one that provides the highest damage.

[wary heath]

just press thunder clap

[civic zodiac]

Is there any crafting item that's like BiS for prot warriors or should i just go for the slot that's missing ilvl? I was thinking of Frostfire legguards of preparation for example, the ones that proc haste.

[wary heath]

those are a jbait

[cold flax]

anyone have link for prot Warrior revenge build?

[warm plinth]

the necklace that I think isn't available until next week is very strong

[civic zodiac]

What necklace is that? 🙂

[warm plinth]

elemental lariat

[wary heath]

craft the shield or the necklace with sparks, craft whatever you want with titan matrixes

[civic zodiac]

ok, thank you so much for the help 🙂

[cinder nova]

You use Ignore Pain to feed AM, keep from capping, and generally just maintain DR. It's not exactly a pinpoint science.

The constraints you're gonna press IP are damn near "All the time" and "All the time"

[warm plinth]

😂

He knows how the spec is played; he's just checking out the APL and shit

[tropic tangle]

how good is tier for prot warriors because i was looking to make the frostfire legs that give haste

[cinder nova]

Press your buttons righter.

[deep spruce]

What kind of dmg are people pulling on average in m0... I'm a bit concerned mine might be uber low

[drifting pewter]

did you need to provide your own earthen soul for shield of the hearth if its a guild order? I Thought they could provide all of it

[late panther]

over 9000

[deep spruce]

Thanks Naowh, I'm deffo doing over 9000, I must be doing ok

[spring coyote]

Just make sure you're popping avatar, thunderous, and ravager all at the same time

[warm plinth]

That's imposssible

[late panther]

im just built diff

[deep spruce]

Hope u get pumped in rwf for ur smart answer

[late panther]

wouldnt look at dmg in m0 atm tho its kind of a meme

as long as u use your cd's together u're fine

[deep spruce]

I'm talking shit, hope u smash those Americans!

[deep spruce]

OK thanks! Gl!

[loud patrol]

def stance roar and ravager during a massive pull in academy and go afk

[warm plinth]

what's funny is that if you made a WA to glow for that it would probably look like a disco light just because of how much rage we generate lol

[tender cove]

If i could get anything besides trinkets, that would be great...

[warm plinth]

more trinkets, more trinkets

Reminds me of the arakkoa

[loud patrol]

trinkets yes! moar trinkets squak!!

[warm plinth]

lol exactly

[haughty meteor]

Primal Ritual Shell doodoo?

[warm plinth]

not sure I'd call it that. should have like 33% uptime on pretty big mastery. It's not bad.

[haughty meteor]

I got a 379 ritual shell, and a 372 ruby whelp egg thingy.

shrug

[fast dagger]

What are people looking at spending early sparks/primal infusions on? I’m torn between beefy shield/weapons and some of the pieces with nice effects.

[fluid beacon]

Anyone know why Thunderour Roar doesnt seem to work in a macro

its an instant cast but i cant macro it

i can macro avatar and ravager but i cant macro avatar and TR

[haughty meteor]

Does Ruby Whelp Shell sim correctly on raidbots?

[warm plinth]

Can you show me the macro you have for Avatar and TR?

[haughty meteor]

I just did that

but swapped em

and it worked

[fluid beacon]

strange

cuz @fervent forge ravager works

but TR didnt

ill try and swap

[warm plinth]

TR doesn't need an @ self

Or I'm misunderstanding you idk

Like you just replaced the ravager line with /cast Thunderous Roar and it doesn't work? What happens?

[fluid beacon]

nothign happens

it casts avatar

[warm plinth]

Interesting

[fluid beacon]

i tried moving it around, doesnt work

i made a separate macro with ONLY /cast TR and it works

but the moment any other text is in there it doesnt work

[warm plinth]

Are you remembering to drag the macro to the bar?

[fluid beacon]

its the same icon

im just changing the words

[warm plinth]

So you're just changing an existing macro that's on the bar already

[fluid beacon]

maybe its bugged and i godda redrag

yes

literally editing it

[warm plinth]

Maybe, but that's weird if that doesn't work 👀

[fluid beacon]

and only Ravager works

[warm plinth]

It should work fine

[fluid beacon]

u said urs works

mine doesnt if i sawp

swap*

[tame barn]

yo i cant decide

[warm plinth]

Have you tried kicking it

[fluid beacon]

kicking it ?

[warm plinth]

Sorry just being a smartass

[fluid beacon]

ok so i just let everything get off CD

and moved ravager first into the sequence and it worked

[warm plinth]

would probably go for the second one since you shouldn't realistically drop below 50% if you're playing properly, especially in this content

[fluid beacon]

but when avatar is on CD and i hit the macro it wont cast TR even if TR is out of CD

[warm plinth]

[fluid beacon]

somethings bugged

[warm plinth]

That is bizarre

Yeah that's a bug, it should cast just fine

[fluid beacon]

ya

im trying a new build with Ravager and spear

so im trying to cut down on button presses lol

[tame barn]

yeah thats what I thought, got some people who told me its bis but i never drop that hard, only thing is that having 20k more hp feels good

[warm violet]

Sorry to ask this question, but I used my spark for the primal molten helmet, is this an okay use?

[sand saddle]

Is using the spark for a shield a good move? Our best slot right?

[heavy fog]

i used my spark for engi helm and i regret it lmao

[warm plinth]

what do you mean by doesn't consider? Like as far as what to cast? Or like it doesn't sim the increased damage from it?

[tame barn]

keeping my spark and will use it next week on my weakest slot after raid nhc clear and some m+ runs

[fading tide]

Which shield should I craft first?

[tame barn]

imagine using it for shield and getting the 398 shield first id

[sand saddle]

True xD

[warm plinth]

Yeah I think it just doesn't matter enough to change the priority

[pallid quiver]

The rage gen's on average more valuable, and hitting an outburst SS over TC is usually more worth it outside of Avatar in smaller AoE

Nome'd know the specifics on it better since he's the one who does the API, iirc

[olive steeple]

how do i get primal infusions?

[slim dove]

reputation (maxed), heroic raid, m+

[molten ruin]

Forgestorm any good of a weapon for us or should we still focus w main stat weapons?

[slim dove]

think its worth 3ilvls, nothing special. dogshit on ST obv

[craggy pilot]

its pretty decent, but its not gonna be in the M+ rotation until S2

so you can only get it from M0

[molten ruin]

Thank you ~ ❤️

[tender cove]

Draenor trade chat lit. Everyone arguing that prot warrior is absolute best tank with no weakness and should be nerfed to the bottom. And DH is totally fine and lacks tankiness 😄

[craggy pilot]

isnt every tank basically unkillable currently?

like BDK is the tankiest its ever been

and they seem to do similar dmg to Warriors

[tender cove]

Tanks are a lot stronger going into DF yeh.

[craggy pilot]

lets see if people will be able to push higher Week 1 because of it

S1 of shadowlands tanks were picking all kinds of weird shit just to survive

[fast knot]

My guild was initially joking that since Pwar was so tanky they wouldn't have to soothe Raging

[tender cove]

It will be interesting to see what the community decides for meta

[craggy pilot]

the Heart of alar spam farm

i remember tanks paying big gold just to be carried on that boss

[fast knot]

I told them to get fucked and actually play their classes 🙂

Raging mobs might kill me but they are for sure smoking any boosted dps that didn't care to learn the mechanics

[tender cove]

I think the issue for 99% of dps players is that they now take significantly more damage and tanks take their "usual" tank damage with some buffs. So the contrast becomes huge and they feel tanks are overpowered when reality is they're standing in avoidable shit and dying. And as usual? Tanks are the scapegoat.

[fast knot]

S4 God Complex is pretty big so far I'm sensing also

🤷‍♂️ I'm down to watch dps die to dumb and give them shit for it in voice

[tender cove]

Big "drastic" changes like this isn't the best for the masses. Think cataclysm heroics. I dunno. I just really like where tanking is at right now and my worry is that instead of just buffing dps, they'll nerf tanks.

[mellow quartz]

Imo the whole ‘tanks don’t take damage and dps does’ is a bit overblown. One of the main reasons is just most people have no clue and ignore mechanics in these dungeons on m0. Once things start to actual kill them more they will start to know what to kick and stop etc etc in different pulls instead of just brute forcing.

[fast knot]

Like a guild group did all three packs next to Vex

I told them that's dumb and you're going to get hosed in a key

No one knew the kicks that are needed because it vaporized

[tender cove]

This is a good point.

[barren socket]

is there any ''go to'' trinket we can farm when m+ releases?

[tender cove]

This will be a learning curve for me as well next week. I kinda dread it haha.

[fast knot]

I have pulls mapped out with cliffnotes for the apes I'll have to run with

If they refuse to listen I'll just blacklist them and have the other team run with them

[tender cove]

mind sharing so I can have a looksie?

[fast knot]

It's in the process, I can send some dms once they are done

[slim dove]

id be interested too, my apes keep pestering me about my routes

[tender cove]

That would be awesome and no stress at all bro, sometime on or before reset would be lovely ❤️

[mellow quartz]

Week 1, hold W

Easy

[sand drum]

where do I sign 😄 ?

[tender cove]

pretty much my route tbh. I'll just spam run it until shit sticks.

I usually run the same dungeon 4-5 times, read up a bit on tanknotes or whatever between. And then just one dungeon per day until the week is over xD

[static owl]

what addon do you recommend for new tanks for planning m+ pulls?

[tender cove]

mythic dungeon tools

[mellow quartz]

There is only 1

[tender cove]

where you get routes to import is a different matter and will vary depending on your key levels and who you ask.

I usually take something from here, dratnos or w/e, use that as a base and experiment with my own pulls and what I think is hard/easy etc.

[static owl]

is there a recommend source to import those routes from?

[tender cove]

raider.io has weekly routes, they are pretty pug friendly, no mdi shizzle, skips or extra hard routes

[fast knot]

Wow.guru is kind of fucky from experience

[tender cove]

but it will only carry you so far.

[fast knot]

I can't really import my shit

[static owl]

ok thanks guys, im just getting started to tank in m+ and im really anxious that i wont live up to expectations

[tender cove]

You can make them in mdt and then upload them on wago.io as scripts and easy import for others. If wow.guru is a pain

[mellow quartz]

Hold w, can’t go wrong (unless you run the wrong way)

[tender cove]

In pugs? you never will so better work on removing those thoughts and just focus on having fun. If you're not having fun? you're doing it wrong. Focus on that in the beginning.

And dont care if others shit talk you because they will.

[static owl]

yeah i want to minimize the potential for shittalking by researching from better players ^^

[tender cove]

Just by being here? You're already better than 90% of players xD

[mellow quartz]

Watch streams and run keys to get experience

You can just go and watch VODs from beta and see which pulls people did.

[slim dove]

also, add btags of players you enjoy playing with

dont pug forever

[fast knot]

Trell has a pretty extensive series of the season 1 dungeons

They are definitely really in depth and almost to an extreme

[static owl]

yeah i got a grp of friends to run m+ but i am working in shifts so i have to play when i got time

[tender cove]

So much this. Every healer you enjoy or thought was a smooth run? Ask to add them. Same if you see some dps player doing really good. Add them. Always.

[static owl]

god i hate working shifts 😄

[tender cove]

Try finding a community that plays your hours. You can have both guild and community.

[trail crow]

Really enjoying Prot Warrior this xpac, it's a damn shame I cannot stand Fury/Arms.

[sick sentinel]

Is dirt like a weekly thing

or just like gathering nodes that spawn whenever randomly

[pallid quiver]

The general response I've gotten from DPS is that that's impossible and it's all unavoidable damage, so I just simply need to pull one pack at a time.

so i look at the DPS with me who didn't die even while the healers dead and just go "?"

We'll see how this moves into the future

[cobalt seal]

Have those dps

Consider

Using defensives?

[pallid quiver]

No, they did not, funny enough

[cobalt seal]

Then keep pulling away

[pallid quiver]

They also never pressed:
Any CC button
Any interrupt button
Good DPS buttons

ye

[cobalt seal]

And bully them

[pallid quiver]

that's what i did and they died

[cobalt seal]

Gj

[pallid quiver]

and then they complained, but they were dead so idgaf

[cobalt seal]

Just answer

Complain when you manage yo stay alive more than 15s

[pallid quiver]

i didn't even answer. would've just slowed me down

so i just pulled more groups

[hasty fjord]

1. You need that shovel item in your bags and yes the dirt is like gathered item (explorers chest, mining node, flower, fish school, and etc)

[tender cove]

unexpected/unannounced maintaince shutdown for an hour now, dafuq is going on 😦

[cobalt seal]

The usual

Na getting fucked

[tender cove]

Its for eu 😄

[static owl]

[cobalt seal]

Then it was scheduled

Pretty sure i saw a warn8ng for it

[tender cove]

yeh it was 15 min shutdown but no message about it and servers been up for 35 min but realms are not coming up

i just wanna do one experiment for alchemy and fall asleep to some masterchef 😄

[loud patrol]

man i saw the message and i though it said : downtime from 9AM to 8 AM

i was like wtf

[cobalt seal]

Misreads and proceds to search halo 1 soundstrack

[tender cove]

hahah

[fast knot]

I tell my guild about this spreadsheet I'm cookin up

They proceed to tell me they already have one

[loud patrol]

rip

time to change guilds

[fast knot]

At least I didn't finish but damn lol

[tender cove]

ohh, they had to patch it, thats why extra time. new update.

Or wait, no update yet but game incompatible. Guess they're having a rough night 😛

[tender cove]

I would read it first, just maybe 😛

[loud patrol]

for na is tomorrow tell us how the patch goes EU

[tender cove]

b.net client wont even let me search for an update.

[loud patrol]

rip

[fast knot]

At this rate I'm just going to forcefeed them the important shit and just yell at em when they mess shit up

Hate wasting time

could have been farming keys while typing this shit

[tender cove]

after 70 minutes of unannounced maintaince and random patch that isn't even sent out to b.net client yet.
Hopefully we're the beta testing for you 😄

[warm plinth]

did you try closing b.net and reopening it? Usually that means you need an update to the battle.net client

[tender cove]

I even went as far as killing all proccess in task manager including the update service. When i started it popped "update" button but it vanished 1 sec later.

[warm plinth]

Yeah that's not a patch then; sounds like a bug with battle.net. Maybe try uninstalling and reinstalling the launcher? If they're patching something it's gonna show servers offline, not incompatible

You can also try opening the WoW client directly (not via the launcher) and see if it lets you in that way

[tender cove]

You're wrong there bro. Thats exactly how its gonna be. Servers down means authentication servers are down. Incompatible means client is not compatbile with realm version.

They have made some fundamental change, thats why they are forcing it. have seen this a couple times over the years. And with all the lag, its not surprising.

[warm plinth]

Just seems very weird to me that you're the only person I've seen complain about it thus far. 🤔

[tender cove]

Are you on eu?

can you login?

[warm plinth]

No, but I'm in several discords with EU players

[tender cove]

Ask one of them? I'm curious as well

[warm plinth]

Yeah I'm asking around now

[tender cove]

It is 4.17 on a weekday in eu though

am

[warm plinth]

ok I did find one other guy saying he can't get online. It's bizarre that they wouldn't have said anything after over an hour though

[loud patrol]

plz test if the azure span lag is gone

[warm plinth]

But he's not getting to that screen

He just gets insta-dced once he logs in

[tender cove]

I killed all proccess again and I had a ghost version of wow running

once i killed that, b-net app login and instantly updating

[warm plinth]

weird

[tender cove]

will report if i can login

[warm plinth]

GL!

[tender cove]

Thanks for jinxing it bro...Been like this for over a minute now.

[warm plinth]

NOOOOO lol

I ruin everything pepehands

[timber nest]

how often does "strike twice" proc?

[tender cove]

It started moving now, so think we're good

[warm plinth]

3ppm

You can generally find proc rates on wowhead by looking up the item and hovering over the effect, for future reference.

[tender cove]

yeh new patch number aswell. Now its:
And I can login and play

[warm plinth]

pog

[tender cove]

wonder if i can just steal all super rares

[warm plinth]

Well glad you were able to get in, even if I was wrong

[tender cove]

lemme check

fuck sleep xD

[warm plinth]

can you even solo the super rares? I thought they had like 5 mil hp or something

[tender cove]

i dunno. never seen one up xD

[slim dove]

prot can easily

none of them hurt

[loud patrol]

we can solo anything

[tender cove]

not a single one up lol.

checked all in waking shore. Wishful thinking at its best 😄

[bronze kestrel]

Is there anyywhere that talks about embellishments?

[fast knot]

Even if you tried soloing you'll probably have help eventually anyway

Unless you're in War Mode

[fallow beacon]

anyone have thoughts on going Shield w/ Armor spikes embellish + Weapon w/ Fang adornments embellish for starting raid with high ilvl shield+weapon with seemingly decent embellishes?

vs going the neck/other embellishments but not having them on weapon/shield

[warm plinth]

Neck is probably the best one

There is a pin about embellishments though

tl;dr they are all around .5-1% so it's not imperative that you have certain ones

[fallow beacon]

Yes but im talking about the value of starting heroic/mythic with a decent ilvl shield/weap vs having the 'best' embellish

value-wise

[warm plinth]

Having higher shield/weapon will for sure be the play

[fallow beacon]

thats what im leaning towards

i feel like the neck is a bait

[bronze kestrel]

thanks for the info

[echo sky]

i haven't seen people mention the fact that having a high lvl shield crafted with spark lets us stay in fury loot spec for vault and increases our chances of getting weapon/DPS trinkets. am i missing something here? i played blood dk last xpac and never wanted to be blood spec except for a few pieces.

that would also mean its the piece you're least likely to replace via vault

[warm plinth]

That's a weird opinion. I'd still go prot loot spec until I had the best shield I could have from vault (assuming I'm not likely to get a higher ilevel one from mythic raid any time soon)

Plus going fury might remove like a tank trinket from showing up, but you also have a chance of getting a 2h weapon which is useless to you unless you offspec

[wispy canopy]

Plus raid gear isn't personal anymore, don't they said that the return of group loot could drop mail in a raid without mail users.

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[echo sky]

oh of course, i forgot fury has 2h in its loot table now. i haven't played warrior since classic.

[lilac meteor]

rend

[digital frigate]

Hello

Any advice on soloing ruby pools

on m0

[mellow quartz]

Do damage and don’t die.

[digital frigate]

It's the only one I have issue with.

I solo everything else but for some reason that one I have problems

[mellow quartz]

2nd boss will be an issue I guess.

[digital frigate]

No

3rd boss

Second boss is easy

[mellow quartz]

Guess the adds cast doesn’t matter on an m0

But yeah you can dwarf racial the debuff on third boss once. That’s abt it.

Doubt you will be anywhere close to killing the humanoid guy before the debuff kills your even with that.

Can go IO and BSV as well.

If dwarf you can probably live 10-12 total debuffs

Actually never mind you can outrange the cast if I remember correctly

As in kiting it to get debuff to drop off

Seems to remember someone did that on beta.

[digital frigate]

I will try it out

[oak ivy]

Is it forgivable to swap tough as nails and ravager for 2 points in bloodborne bc I am incompetent and tend to not press cooldowns

Sims about the same for me

[mellow quartz]

Just make a WA that pops up when ravager is available and press it on CD

You can play whatever you want. You don’t NEED to play the most optimal.

[oak ivy]

[wooden widget]

Why would anyone solo an m0?

[spark forge]

What il do you even need to do that?

[sick sentinel]

u need bdk to do that probably

thats how tgis used to work in long ago times

crddits on my game legit over 10 15 minutes now i swear lol

[digital frigate]

I was carrying lazy people for gold

[sick sentinel]

better than my azure spire run then

disbanded by just after first boss cuz dh angry boy

i did things on boss 1 and 2 trash i can understand he'd be upset, but oh well come back at it tomorrow i guess

that, and i have a habit of disregarding advice and seeing what really happens

[tulip kelp]

Man who thought it was a good idea to need two weeks of M0

[warm plinth]

🤔

Shadowlands release date: November 23, 2020
Shadowlands season 1 release date: December 8, 2020
BFA release date: August 14, 2018
BFA Season 1 release date: September 4, 2018

Pretty sure it just feels longer because there's not a bunch of shit being forcefed on us.

[slim dove]

Yup, literally do 1 tour, kill a few rares, afk till season starts

0 need to farm shit unless you just want to

[mortal brook]

speaking of, paragon caches dont have much in them

[tulip kelp]

You guys think JC or Eng is more $$ as a second profession?

[opaque vine]

Jc personally

[last crest]

do we get idea about what trinkets we want from raid yet ? i´ve heard someone say that m+ trinkets aren´t looking too good

[slim dove]

dang, thats awful

[lucid dew]

M plus ones don’t seem that good to me

[latent cargo]

So Shielf of the Hearth vs Primal Molten defender?

[last crest]

does shield slam scale with shield ?

[oak echo]

scales with AP

[last crest]

sadge

[toxic pewter]

shield from m+ or raid first boss 😛

[gray kayak]

Looking at coming back to tanking this tier was wondering how people are finding warrior before commiting to leveling playstyle and fun wise am also tossing up dh or dk if it helps.

[weary fulcrum]

It’s better and more fun than both.

[ionic fern]

DH/DK feel utterly boring to me. But my opinion is 100% biased towards Protection Warrior.

[amber roost]

I personally went with shield of the hearth because of the vers proc. You can send a personal work order to Fangblades - Illidan for 5 star 392 ilvl shields, no matter which one you choose 🙂

[warm plinth]

@ionic fern hi ily

[warm plinth]

why always fangblades-illidan and never fangblades-tichondrius :riot:

[amber roost]

Rn it’s fangblades - lookingforguild

[loud patrol]

for me too dk an dh are boring as hell

tbh any other tank that is not warrior or monk is boring

[mortal brook]

So says the shadow of Xavius

[gray kayak]

Probably prefer warrior dps offspecs to dks so probs narrow it down to dk off the list.

[lofty beacon]

tried prot for the first time

it's weird, i like it

also i play dh and everything else feels low mobility, so i feel y'all

my ranking of fun is vdh>warr>druid and i play all 3

[ionic fern]

Huh? It's the other way around for me. 😂

I have a DH alt and it feels so immobile compared to my warrior.

2 leapies vs 3xCharge+1xLeap+Intervene

[ionic fern]

[lofty beacon]

I think partially cause i'm still learning prot

i juuuuust tried the spec today for the first time, i main vdh and druid and play fury warr so i figured i'd try it out

[eager schooner]

Pwar is easily the most fun tank imo. But opinions are opinions, subjective yadayada

[lofty beacon]

i like it a lot

i like how different it is

[blazing condor]

Im sad We dont run bounding stride

[sage sun]

wat embellishment to put on crafted sword?

[pallid quiver]

i do

i just give up pain and gain

You could also give up Sidearm, as well; it's not that much damage based on my results

or int shout if you run that

or a few other adjustables

[hasty field]

My question might be pretty dumb, but what kind of situations do we want to use intervene in?
It doesn’t sound too useful besides extra mobility, does it?

[pallid quiver]

It acts as an external CD for another party member, as well

[ionic fern]

Oh, it's 100% not a mandatory pick, much more a niche one.
Raids specifically might have some encounters where you can take the pain off from your co-tank.

Or some fixate mechanics in m+.

So the DPS'ers can still continue DPS'ing

[tall cedar]

Guys if i craft quality 5 shield of hearth now , can i recraft it later on to upgrade its itemlevel ?

[fast knot]

Fenryr on high keys for sure

[pallid quiver]

Fixate's are a notable one, since you can partially negate some of those mechanics by just doing that and then, like

blocking things and not taking damage

[fast knot]

To save your derpy melee dps that try to stand in there

[pallid quiver]

as compared to the DPS exploding

[bold iron]

is there a spreadsheet somewhere for the % DPS gains for each tier bonus?(all specs?)

[warm plinth]

not only that, but giving melee dps more uptime and/or making it so ranged can stand and cast instead of running around

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[pallid quiver]

that being said, most of the random DPS you'll find at the moment don't even press the right DPS buttons, so

[warm plinth]

Almost time to be freeeeeee

[pallid quiver]

i don't take intervene and am not thinking of doing so for the immediate time frame

[shy python]

Good morning!
I have a question about the M+ guides:
Why would anyone want to play WITHOUT the Shockwave dmg talents? 😅

[warm plinth]

Because the other talents are better

[pallid quiver]

because you don't use shockwave on CD and they're less damage

[sage sun]

which embellishment is bis? food one or fangs

[pallid quiver]

Armor Spikes got buffed

jury's out atm as a result

[warm plinth]

you got buffed

gottem

[granite anvil]

most outstanding use i remember was Freehold in BfA first Boss, that would randomly oneshot ppl with a quick cast. Everybody had to use some defensive in advance, or you just have a prot war spamming intervene with a target of target macro when its about to come up.

[heavy temple]

what phials will we use in the raid?

[solar blade]

this, as sad as it sounds, is reality

[warm plinth]

Yeah, this is a good example. More recently, you could intervene the fixate target of the miniboss in the NW necropolis gauntlet and take the damagee for them. You can also intervene Scent of Blood on Fenryr in Halls of Valor (which will be active in S1 iirc)

[pallid quiver]

I think Nome was testing with Glacial Fury and Static Empowerment

[heavy temple]

okay, that is what I read as well

[pallid quiver]

I wager it'd be one of the two depending on fight, but I'm out of the loop on that end

[heavy temple]

thanks

[pallid quiver]

ill probably go glacial because I'm an alchemist who currently only has extended time on frost phials so it'll be less costly to my resources

[shy python]

What beats 40k crits on every target every 25s without the 5 target penalty?

[tall cedar]

guys is alchemist stone decent?

[heavy temple]

holy fuck

I just realised you can get 1h extra duration lol

[pallid quiver]

it's mid

not bad

[pallid quiver]

the ability to cause all of your bleeds to just do more damage in that same timeframe?

[fast knot]

I'd prefer to have Shockwave to cover casts because my dps don't kick

[tall cedar]

dont want to waste my spark

[fast knot]

🙂

[warm plinth]

Thunderous Roar does more damage in the same amount of time, has no positioning requirement, increases deep wounds damage, and requires one less talent point which you have to pull from somewhere to maximize shockwave's damage

[ionic fern]

UF/1h Specialization/Thunderous Words

You are using 2x points for that "25s shockwave damage".

In irrelevant content it doesn't matter.

So go ham.

And what you play is also up to you.
But there are better choices. 🙂

[warm plinth]

Besides, once you were doing non-trivial content, your group might get kinda salty with you starting off the stun DR every pack with a 2 second stun

[granite anvil]

Paladins hate that trick

[solar blade]

ive let my evoker extend cc #genius

[warm plinth]

galaxy brain

[shy python]

Well Yeah.. That's a point. 😅

[heavy temple]

How many minutes after I craft elemental lariat, will blizzard decide to let us socket the wrathion rep neck?

[warm plinth]

As a rogue main, I also hate that lol

[solar blade]

jokes aside, this is true - if you have a ww for ex. you should let him stun first and use shockwave as aoe kick

[warm plinth]

Used to get very tilted when I'd go to stun the soulbinders in Theater and someone would let off an aoe stun that was 2 seconds shorter than kidney 😡

[solar blade]

one could argue that in pugs its more reliable if you takr that job, but in higher content (+ good people) its other stuns first!
also good dps know cc=free dps

[warm plinth]

or even 3

[solar blade]

yeah, dr is something youd have to understand to progress
tho it aint that hard

most people just get a stroke performing their rotation

[lyric elm]

Dps brain is real

Almost always the worst players

I have however gotten the honor of raiding with the worst tank of all time

[ionic fern]

They will nerf it*

[modern brook]

Mwahi

[ionic fern]

I am still on the fense about wether i want to do the rep farms for the neck/cloak. 😦

Currently banking on "No, i'm lazy".

[ionic fern]

[warm plinth]

Man after my own heart

[modern brook]

At this point don't bother imo

Do it for the black scales

But the gears on its way out in like 3 weeks

[warm plinth]

Sir you are obsessed with the black scales

[ionic fern]

I don't care about the drake.

😂

[warm plinth]

Do you know what the worst part of Dragonflight is

[modern brook]

The black scsles

[warm plinth]

The dragon part

[ionic fern]

Not being able to afk fly somewhere?

I've defaulted to using flightmasters.

Cause i want to do stuff while i travel.

😂

[warm plinth]

Not dragonriding mind you, just the presence of dragons literally everywhere

Every mount, dragon

Every NPC, dragon

I'm pretty sure I saw a tree shaped like a dragon

[modern brook]

Dragons? In MY dragon isles?

[warm plinth]

Yeah, stinky dragons, get out of here

[granite anvil]

Dragonriding definitly misses some idle mode

[modern brook]

Worst part of dragonflight so far is nokhud

[ionic fern]

I'd actually like to join the Djaradin side in this tbh..they look like 100x cooler.

[warm plinth]

I still afk while flying. I just go up high, point my dude in the right direction, hit whirling surge, and toggle autorun and I'm off to the bathroom

[modern brook]

3000% they're gunna be a new race

[ionic fern]

Why autorun?

You don't need to. 👀

Though i'm also holding down W when i fly.

😂

[warm plinth]

just habit I guess, idk.

[modern brook]

I also lean into turns playing Mario kart

[ionic fern]

Relatable.

[modern brook]

Dragon flying is objectively cool tbh

Dragon isles would also be the biggest dog shit zone ever if it didn't exist

[ionic fern]

Jeah, as a concept it's amazing.

[modern brook]

Also they finally made a hub city where everything you need is right next to one another and not gated behind a 2 fucking gold flight path

[ionic fern]

I hope that they bring it along in next expansions but i also hope they won't delete the old flying.

[modern brook]

Ans they chose this expansion to enable the freedom of navigation

I am still salty about dazar alor

[ionic fern]

Gimme both., Let Dragonflying be the dragon mount specific thing.

I honestly hope they allow flying from the get-go in the following expansions/zones.

It just feels soooooooooooooooooo much better.

[modern brook]

Yeah hard agree

Not that it's a particularly hot take

[lyric elm]

There's no going back

[modern brook]

But you can tell they made this zone with flying in mind

And it shows

[ionic fern]

Jeah, definitely.

[lyric elm]

Like the azure span is as wide as Kalimdor

[modern brook]

Anyways I'm going back to bed cause my teams message wasn't a fucking page ans I don't have to be awake rn

Gnight 🙂

[ionic fern]

Good night.

[median tulip]

Looking at some of the quests, I'm pretty certain they didn't originally intend to give us dragonriding at the start, and changed their minds on that

[median tulip]

Loads of the quests have "take this teleporter"

[heavy temple]

Jokes aside, farming such a rep is imo impossible if you dont do it with a group of friends

And it sucks the neck being pretty much worthless

[median tulip]

I got True Friend by standing next to Wrathion while doing work on my other monitor, and going and killing the spider every time other people handed in enough keys.

[ionic fern]

Wait, continuously killing the spider gives rep?

[median tulip]

Yes

[ionic fern]

.

[fast knot]

Same thing with the dragon

[ionic fern]

I thought it's a 1 time thing.

[fast knot]

It's 250 per time

[ionic fern]

Like a daily

[fast knot]

Sometimes you even get the rep while just chillin

[median tulip]

As long as the Quest pops up (sometimes it bugs and doesn't pop... like once in 50 times)

[ionic fern]

Well, i know what i'm doing tonight.

[median tulip]

The rep is actually from the quest, not from the spider itself

[ionic fern]

AFK'ing in obsidian citadel.

[tawdry dirge]

Elo quick question is the alchy trinket anygood?

[median tulip]

Also there's some decent drops from the rares in the area. A 1h mace seems to be shared loot among them

[ionic fern]

Uh? The quest as in when ever the event pops up?

[median tulip]

I have like 3 copies of that mace

[median tulip]

Yeah, the event

[fast knot]

The quest dictates the rep ye

[ionic fern]

I've gotten a trinket and leather legs from rares in the last 2 days.

[hasty field]

First message of yours without a dot on the end. Interesting

[median tulip]

The same is true for Sabellion's dragon killing one, and the forgemaster and believer that give rep with both

[ionic fern]

It's...

Got em'.

[fast knot]

All 379s until I go bop the chicken rare near Nozdormuland and get a 389 healer trinket

[ionic fern]

Typo. 😦

[hasty field]

Aha, that’s cute

[median tulip]

Also, for reference; you do have to choose which of them to support for the week and then hand a key in to either Wrathion or Sabellion before any of the events in the area will pop up.

[ionic fern]

I have done no such thing this week and the spider event just popped up yesterday.

👀

[hasty field]

I wish I had a unique nickname as yours: (
Gods given me no imagination

[ionic fern]

Jeah. My character names are all unique.
When deciding i go.."Hmm, what happens if i press random keys on the keyboard".

[hasty field]

What’s your best one?

[tulip kelp]

Afrocan is hard to beat

[warm plinth]

My names are all top tier, which is saying something since there are like 42 of them

[ionic fern]

Idk, "Dmisora" ?

[warm plinth]

I should stop going by Ghash though tbh. I haven't had a toon named that since like...TBC or Wrath I think

And I don't use it for anything else

Also apparently I've never used my free btag change

🤔

[ionic fern]

There's a free btag change?

[warm plinth]

Yeah, if you've never changed it before, they let you change it once for free. I assume it's because all new btags now are randomized, kinda how xbox does their gamertags

[ionic fern]

Nah, i like my btag.

[warm plinth]

But my bnet is so old that I chose the first one and still apparently get a free one.

[ionic fern]

Gonna keep it.

[warm plinth]

Like one of secondary accounts has the btag BouncyKnight lol

Are we friends on bnet

[tame jasper]

As I dont find anything in the guides (or I miss it): What's your opinion about spending the spark on a engineering google to then be able to craft bracers with tinker socket for battle rezz?

[warm plinth]

probably not since EU; I haven't added many EU frands

[trail crow]

This sounds like a mental illness

I’m not sure why.

Or perhaps an antipsychotic.

[warm plinth]

Take Dmisora now, and go back to being you.

ˢⁱᵈᵉ ᵉᶠᶠᵉᶜᵗˢ ᵐᵃʸ ⁱⁿᶜˡᵘᵈᵉ ⁿᵃᵘˢᵉᵃ, ᵘᵖˢᵉᵗ ˢᵗᵒᵐᵃᶜʰ, ᵈⁱᵃʳʳʰᵉᵃ, ᵃᵖᵒᶜᵃˡʸᵖᵗⁱᶜ ˢᵉⁱᶻᵘʳᵉˢ, ᵈᵉᵖʳᵉˢˢⁱᵒⁿ, ˢᵘⁱᶜⁱᵈᵃˡ ᵗʰᵒᵘᵍʰᵗˢ, ᵃⁿᵈ ᵍᵒⁿᵒʳʳʰᵉᵃ

[ionic fern]

What.

There's also Talardaghman
And Tydrialoril

[warm plinth]

Idk what that last one is but I'm pretty sure Facebook says it causes autism now

[ionic fern]

Can't even remember myself how it was written

[ionic fern]

Don't be rude to my monk.

[warm plinth]

well we've all seen how bad some of my names are so who am I to talk

[ionic fern]

Jeah, BouncyKnight, be quiet.

[warm plinth]

Hey I didn't choose that one okay

[ionic fern]

It stays.

[warm plinth]

It was just a random second bnet for advertising for Phoenix

[warm plinth]

@ionic fern do you know if the tree dude trinket was already reported to simc/raidbots

the one that was reporting the self-damage as damage

[ionic fern]

Yes, it was reported.

[warm plinth]

Gracias

[ionic fern]

[tulip kelp]

[mystic perch]

hey All, Quick Q, when would you use shockwave over dragonsroar?\

[marble cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[pallid quiver]

as

as a stun

you can grab both, and it's generally recommend

If you mean the talents after

literally never for the shockwave talents if playing optimally

They're just literally outdone by the extra bleed damage

and it's better to keep shockwave as the utility it is

[mystic perch]

Ahhh, wowhead had the thunderclap damage increase on the left side so i was confused, shcokwave seemed strong af

[severe aurora]

Yeah I just got shockwave for utility and ignored the rest underneath. I generally just pull everything and enjoy stunning 50 mobs 🤣 but that’s me

[jagged pier]

u dont use a stun as a dps cd

[pallid quiver]

Oh, I see

[severe aurora]

I was confused by these guides and ignored them

Shockwave ftw

[pallid quiver]

Llarold's build doesn't take shockwave at all

I didn't notice that

[jagged pier]

well in content atm u dont need it

🤷

[pallid quiver]

Give up Uproar if you're taking Shockwave

It is a notable up in damage to take Uproar, as well, so if your comp allows, I'd 100% say take Uproar over Shockwave

[severe aurora]

You would take the cd reduction on roar right? Instead of shockwave?

[jagged pier]

ye

[pallid quiver]

Thunderous Words is too good to pass up at all, so that one stays (That's the perma bleed damage increase)

[urban portal]

Yeah words is basically blood borne

[severe aurora]

I get it. Rn u don’t really need the utility and eventually u will be strong enough to not get by without the stun and want all the dmg

[urban portal]

But costs a class point instead of a spec point

[pallid quiver]

at less opportunity cost, even

[severe aurora]

But I just love shockwave

[urban portal]

When you need the stun you know what to drop

[pallid quiver]

You'll never be strong enough; if anything, you'd be more likely to give up the damage for the stun

Since it's used to stop casts from making your group dead

[jagged pier]

no the higher u go the more utility u want regardless of gear

[pallid quiver]

obviously in raid encounters where you generally can't even stun things then fuck shockwave, that's for cowards

[jagged pier]

well yer but m+

[thorny stone]

About the pvp helmet, this was on AA

[jagged pier]

u take fear, stormbolt and shockwave

[severe aurora]

Yeah m+ just seems good to have shockwave. At least I feel better with it

I wanted to play around with fear this weak. Love how much cc u can get as a warrior these days

Week*

[pallid quiver]

it's, uh

like one more button tbh

[strong forum]

Myeah seems within expected values

[pallid quiver]

since we can get storm bolt now

[jagged pier]

its a second aoee stop

its really strong

[pallid quiver]

We've had Int Shout and Shockwave before

[jagged pier]

yer

and u wnt both again

99% of u guys dont use fear tho for no reason

its a 1 second stop

its great

[pallid quiver]

It's a lot more awkward to use and is less necessary in proper M+ groups. Like, with the people I know Nome runs with, he literally shouldn't run it since they have enough stops for what they care for

[severe aurora]

Yeah probably depends on ur comp at some point

[jagged pier]

its not awkaward at all

[pallid quiver]

If you let the fear go too long, everything gets spread. If you instant-break it, it's just like an interrupt that doesn't even always cycle the cast out of the mob's AI routine. It's still strong, but the first stop to go

[slender wedge]

with last buff to fueled by violence, should i pick it over brutal vitality?

[jagged pier]

the fear insta breaks

[severe aurora]

Unless unjust switch storm bolt for fear

[jagged pier]

no

[pallid quiver]

(I run it, for the record)

[pallid quiver]

[strong forum]

Trust nobody 🔫

[pallid quiver]

ye

[jagged pier]

i wouldnt trust a group with cro in it tbh

[pallid quiver]

i don't even trust the people im in voice with

[severe aurora]

I hand out cookies for interrupts in my group

I have a lot left over

[pallid quiver]

Actually, I especially don't trust the people I'm in voice with.

the amount of shit this mage i know has dropped on my face

[noble lynx]

I wouldnt trust anyone either if i was playing with cro willingly

[pallid quiver]

like bruh, you're 30 yds away from me, how did you drop a puddle on my face

[severe aurora]

Macro target blink to Tank titled „save me daddy plz“

[thorny stone]

This, we were doing 25s-26s in S3 , each necrotic week gambit would be unbearable as I would not be able to stun each stick

One of them doesn't even know what mob does the cast

[severe aurora]

Hated that area

[pallid quiver]

That is also the person I'm talking about

He still doesn't know even after I told him and tried to advise him to move from base UI nameplates to nameplates that wo-

fuck i still haven't adjusted my nameplates for DF mobs i care about

i gotta go do that

[severe aurora]

Although im newer to m+ and haven’t pushed that high yet

[tulip kelp]

I was thinking of dropping sidecar and stormbolt for blood borne lol

[jagged pier]

thats doesnt work because there are in different trees

🤔

[tulip kelp]

Wait lemme see it’s late

[pallid quiver]

If you mean Thunderous Words, that should already be picked up

[ionic fern]

See what..?

[pallid quiver]

I think he means Thunderous Words under Roar

[tulip kelp]

Nah I actually wanted to try the extra bleed damage.. maybe ravager and something else? My bleeds are so much of my dmg in m+

[jagged pier]

no

[ionic fern]

You..you should have Thunderous Words regardless.

[jagged pier]

BB is trash

its bait

[ionic fern]

But he's talking about bleed DAMAGE which is THunderous Words.

Not BB, which is rage from bleed.

Or am i stupid?

[jagged pier]

hes talking about rav

thats in the BB tree

[tulip kelp]

Isn’t it extra 10% bleed? I’m on my phone so can’t double check it

10% bleed damage

[jagged pier]

its like 1% extra damage actually

so its not worth

[tulip kelp]

Wut, I thought it said increase bleeds by 10%

[jagged pier]

yer but not all your damage is bleeds

so the 10% of not all your damage isnt 10%

[tulip kelp]

Ahh I see

[strong forum]

The worse you play better bloodborne looks

When yiu play well, 1 point in bloodborne is worth maybe 1.5% dps

When 1 point in tough as nails is 3-4%

BB looks big, until you actually look at the facts

[jagged pier]

☝️

[tulip kelp]

Oh I love tough as nails, was like 5% of my damage last couple M+

[brittle owl]

who uses fax in 2022 lmao

[strong forum]

Your mum

:dab:

[brittle owl]

:doubledab:

[severe aurora]

I just saw that I could just swap SB for int shout. Prob do that for m+ for sure

[ionic fern]

Take both for m+?

🤔

[severe aurora]

I don’t know what u would give up on that area to take both tbh kinda not that deep into theorycrafting

[ionic fern]

What build are you even running.

Cause you can easily take both without sacrificing much.

[severe aurora]

I just took the wowhead build and adjusted it lmao

[pallid quiver]

I mean

you could swap overwhelming rage over

wait, does he use overwhelming rage?

time to open that page back up

[ionic fern]

This?

[severe aurora]

Yeah

[pallid quiver]

he, uh

Oh, I see, he's got barbaric on

Barbaric or Sidearm's the ones to go if you're grabbing int shout, probably barbaric since it's awkward with our rage gen atm

You sacrifice rage efficiency for spending more rage at a time. It's less damage per rage for Barbaric, so it's best used when we're really drowning in rage

and to be fair, in m0s, you can definitely pull large enough to literally drown in rage

[severe aurora]

Oh ok

I was wondering because that’s why I took it

[tulip kelp]

25% damage on revenge? That’s hard to give up lol

[urban portal]

like he said

It’s less damage per rage

[severe aurora]

But I’ll adjust it for smaller pulls then with less rage gen

[pallid quiver]

Like I just said, it's less rage efficient

[urban portal]

Whether that matters depends on pull size

[pallid quiver]

In pull sizes we can actually manage in M+, we don't generate enough rage for Barbaric to be comfy

[urban portal]

I have a feeling barb training is dps down on st

[severe aurora]

Ah i see

[pallid quiver]

In M0, you can hella run Barbaric by pulling every pack between bosses and going to town

[severe aurora]

That’s what I was doing

[tulip kelp]

I mean how diff is it gonna be

[pallid quiver]

You also don't need either Int Shout or Storm Bolt in the cases you can reasonably pull that big on average

[tulip kelp]

I didn’t play S4 and I’m not a pro gamer but you still pull huge in 25s

[urban portal]

Because some dungeons are designed like that

[pallid quiver]

I don't know how big you're pulling, but going from "literally every trash pack in the dungeon between the entrance and boss #1" to "actually manageable pull sizes when there are casts that need to be stopped" is a lot less targets to proc Bloodsurge on

[severe aurora]

Yeah I prob would run both bot another aoe interrupt besides shockwave feels comfy

Wouldn’t *

[tulip kelp]

Hmm I see

[strong forum]

BT plays alot worse, makes revenge worse of a button because it increases the cost by 50% but only increases dmg by 25%

Especially on single target you'll struggle with BT

[pallid quiver]

^^^

This as well. A lot of the harder parts of M+ is the boss encounters, which are by and large ST

[tulip kelp]

What about if I want bounding stride? Bad idea to cut pain and gain?

[pallid quiver]

So your rage economy will suffer a lot more on those as well

[strong forum]

Nah pain and gain is absolutely minor

Can easily be dropped

[pallid quiver]

I currently do that, personally. Miiiiight swap to it in higher keys if i care

[urban portal]

So it’s barb training actually dps down on st

Or na

[strong forum]

It Sims better

But

You'll be squishier

As you can barely afford to send IPs

And the dps gain is also very minor

[severe aurora]

So assuming I would take neither int shout/SB would Ingo side arm and overwhelming then?

[strong forum]

Revenge is like 4% of your dmg in ST

[strong forum]

Yes

[severe aurora]

I see thanks. Makes def sense

[pallid quiver]

even with all i said

i still take int shout because i trust no one

[severe aurora]

Yeah same

But it’s good to know

[urban portal]

I’m assuming barb training is worse than sidearm on st them

[severe aurora]

Which I didn’t do thanks for the discussion ❤️

[strong forum]

Absolutely

Sidearm is actually decent now

It's like 1.5-2% dmg

I run it all the time

[urban portal]

Yeah that much damage for soemtjing entirely passive seems good

[tame jasper]

@strong forum what slot would you suggest to crate a tinker item for BR for? head or bracers

[pallid quiver]

Oh, by the way, Nome, if you run with a standard comp with ranged, is there any dungeons in the coming lineup that you'd run HR for the boss fights over at higher keys or is there nothing scary enough? I don't know how the scaling on any of the legacy dungeons were seeming since i never got beta

[jagged pier]

u should be running HR anyway tbh

🤔

[pallid quiver]

he was running itf in his sims for damage earlier

[jagged pier]

yes because its highest damage

[pallid quiver]

i also have been running it because of the size of pulls i was doing

[jagged pier]

and it doesnt matter because content doesnt hurt atm

[pallid quiver]

ye

[jagged pier]

but u need at least 30% haste to make ITF in keys work

which i doubt anyone has

need to be giga lucky

[pallid quiver]

... i did

then i got some upgrades off rares ;-;

Literally every single piece of gear I got was Haste for a while

[severe aurora]

I got to 30% with ITF as well

[jagged pier]

u need 30% without it

[pallid quiver]

no it's 30% before ITF

it's

[severe aurora]

Oh gotcha

[pallid quiver]

it's a lotta haste you need

[raven hatch]

what do you mean you need that much to make it work?

[pallid quiver]

With literally ever piece I had being big boy haste, I barely reached it

[severe aurora]

So before 30% HR is better ?

[pallid quiver]

There will be gaps in SB uptime with ITF

[jagged pier]

tbh theres not much difference regardless

and HR is far easier to play

[severe aurora]

That’s true

[pallid quiver]

ITF is only grabbed for more damage, but you'll be noticeably squishier

[raven hatch]

yeah no point HR right now though because globals feel giga slow without ITF and everything tickles

[jagged pier]

u get pretty much 100% effective uptime with ED and bulwark at around 30% haste with ITF but u need to play well

[strong forum]

I will run HR in all keys pmuch

Other than when I play 5tank ofc

[tulip kelp]

Btw anyone know if demo shoot/BV increases damage of existing bleeds/ravager etc?

[pallid quiver]

Had a feeling the 5tank keys were the kicker

i just yell at my friends playing range to stack in melee 🙂

that's close enough, right?

[pallid quiver]

I mean, snapshotting hasn't been a thing for a long while, so...

[jagged pier]

it should increase their damage for the duration of battle shout

[tulip kelp]

So in theory no difference if using ravager before or after demo shout

[jagged pier]

u should use avatar and demo shout

before u do anything

[tulip kelp]

Or actually, because it’s 12 it’s better to use ravager before demo shout

[pallid quiver]

You'd definitely miss a tick of damage no matter what if you chuck ravager first

[tulip kelp]

Yeah avatar is no global but demo has global

[pallid quiver]

So optimally you send Ravager after Demo/Avatar are up

But you often open packs with ravager for threat purposes because people be crazy and it makes the opener smoother, so it can often end up that way, anyhow

[tulip kelp]

If I demo shout and then ravager I get one global less of ravager damage being buffed by demo shout right?

Vs other way around

[tacit gorge]

i got 372 crit haste boots with lifesteal and can craft 376 without, are this 4 ilvl worth? loosing this lifesteal %

[pallid quiver]

Item level always; str is worth a lot

And no tertiary is even worth losing any amount of secondary, let alone primary

Now if it's worth it to you to craft for 4 ilvl when M+ and Raid comes out next week

[tacit gorge]

okay thank you 🫡

[pallid quiver]

different question

[tulip kelp]

In theory if demo shout affects existing bleeds would be best to have everything up first right? Clap/rend, revenge/deep wounds, and ravager going and then demo shout for the 8 secs… otherwise that’s 3 GCDs for the 3 bleeds… or is it so minor it doesn’t matter

[pallid quiver]

The opener doesn't immediately apply the bleeds because it's more important to get all your CDs on, well, cooldown as fast as possible

After the opener, your bleeds should always be permanently up, so

(other than roar, but)

[upbeat salmon]

Picking up the convo, ITF is into the fray, but what is HR?

[warm plinth]

heavy Repercussions

[pallid quiver]

Heavy Repercussions, the other one on the node

[upbeat salmon]

ITF is the stacking haste from friend and foe correct?

[warm plinth]

Yes

[tulip kelp]

There’s the grouping time too tho… lotta times takes a bit to get shit grouped up

Otherwise demo shout only hits half the pull

[ionic fern]

What does that have to do with anything? 👀
You wait before stuff is grouped before using everything anyways.

[tulip kelp]

Just wondering if I should use ravager mainly (and TC/revenge I guess) before demo shout for more damage

[ionic fern]

It's 1 extra tick of damage here or there.

[fringe folio]

Hi, not specific prot question , but any gaming mouse you have good experiences with for Warcraft ? Need a new one

[pallid quiver]

I've been using the Corsair Scimitar Elite

[placid stratus]

had great use of my razer naga until i switched to my g502 wireless, dont really feel the need for all those keys

[ionic fern]

Also using Naga.

Happy with it so far.

[open gazelle]

Stuck at 382 ilvl

[ionic fern]

......

[open gazelle]

Can’t get nothing to drop for me since Tuesday

[ionic fern]

And you're complaining.

[pallid quiver]

hey, I'm 375, too!

I used to use the Naga, but I think it was their mouse wheels that kept going on me

I think it was a bit lighter than the Scimitar I use, though, if that matters

i actually prefer slightly heavier mice

[lone eagle]

I've used a Naga for years, but it's kind of dogshit in terms of longterm survivability. they would last me 2 years or so and then the clicker would be fucked and constantly fritzing out. I swapped to a Logitech G600 a few years ago and my god, what an amazing mouse

Better features, sturdier (built like a tank), has a bit more meatiness to it, and an extra modifier keybind attached to it with a pinky click if you wish to use it

Best MM0 mouse I've used and hella cheap

35 bucks right now on Logitech's website

[upbeat salmon]

Looks nice

How many buttons does it have though?

[warm plinth]

Logitech G600 is the best mouse, can confirm.

[upbeat salmon]

8?

[warm plinth]

12 on the side, 2 under the wheel, one on the right

You can use pressing the mousewheel to each side as buttons as well

[pallid quiver]

but how good are its obnoxious gamer lights?

[ionic fern]

Really? I've had mine for..god damn, i don't even know for how long without any issues. 3+ years definitely.

[fallen belfry]

Prot war didn't need a lot of buttons though

[pallid quiver]

looks at over 3 action bars worth of buttons

[warm plinth]

idk I'm not a gamer light guy but the numbers/letters on the side buttons are glowy. Mine just gradient through a bunch of colors but I'm sure you can customize it

[fallen belfry]

I use a razor death adder and no issues on war

[pallid quiver]

they gotta be absolutely obnoxious though, like "i got cancer five days ago and my neighbor hasn't slept for a week" kind of obnoxious

[warm plinth]

Prot doesn't need a lot of buttons? We have people come in here every day asking what they can macro together because they need to free up keybinds XD

[fallen belfry]

looks at over 3 action bars worth of buttons

Sounds like you need some modifier macros lol

[fallen belfry]

How can you have 3 bars of buttons? Like mini pets and mounts individual or something?

[pallid quiver]

i just put them on the bars as the modifier button keybinds

[fallen belfry]

Ah

[pallid quiver]

i don't make macros for them because then i'd have to do that manually for every character