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lusty tiger
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Bring a chad shadowpriest

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Be a dwarf

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Make sure healer speaks English

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And knows

loud patrol
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defensives, tell ur healer before that happens, be a dwarf, bring a priest

sick sentinel
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dwarf is literal the best form of that possible dark iron for healer/dps normal for tank

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DI works for tank, just, i'd rather have the defensive DR

deft hazel
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No use arguing with people, yes i can use defensives, but that works once when im 4+stacks, what happens when they hit me again? xd

loud patrol
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oh also get good dps

lusty tiger
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Tru

loud patrol
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same solution as the frog in halls

deft hazel
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telling me to be a dwarf mid dungeon is not a solution

sick sentinel
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yes, taking good dps u gunna be happy for the rest of ur life

limpid anchor
deft hazel
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

lusty tiger
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You have gained something valuable

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Knowing not to start the run until someone types “yes” to your request to dispelling last boss

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And everyone having read that is your win condition

ebon sun
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Anyone know why Raidbots is simming the Festering Splinter as a high-DPS trinket?

loud patrol
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cuz the dmg u do to urself counts as total dps

ebon sun
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Lmao, wow.

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That's so ass-backwards.

loud patrol
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yeah lmao

lusty tiger
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Wtf lol

ebon sun
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Guess Ruby Shell and Kickball are getting used.

cobalt seal
ebon sun
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I did get a 376 blazing essence (crit haste stick with movespeed proc)

lusty tiger
ebon sun
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but 300 STR is just too good to pass up

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I would like to know for real though if Forgestorm is simbait.

cobalt seal
olive steeple
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Which dungeons?

lusty tiger
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What happend to cromation

ebon sun
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Because at 359 it's beating Spellbane at 372 on ST patchwerk

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sim-wise

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is it really THAT good?

limpid anchor
modern brook
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It's good yeah

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Will be bis next season

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Likely to be replaced by end game ilvl this season

stark hinge
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Thoughts on Thunderous Roar + BloodBorne build over Ravager and Shockwave?

cobalt seal
modern brook
limpid anchor
stark hinge
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I just saw some people running that build and was curious what everyone else thinks

modern brook
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Sounds like some guy

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The general concensus of this hive mind with regards to talent builds will be the ones in the pins

grave crane
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at the end of the day play what you want cause it aint gonna effect you enough to stop you from doing most content

stark hinge
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Thanks all!

lusty tiger
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running without shockwave feels so nice tbh

limpid anchor
lusty tiger
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an extra talent and an open/extra GCD

modern brook
lusty tiger
grave crane
limpid anchor
onyx idol
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I just picked up a trinket called Ancestral Protector's stone with a proc of 1.3k vers on damage taken, any opinions on this thing?

limpid anchor
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If it’s just bad than kick

modern brook
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You have more patience than I to like check

lusty tiger
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i usually check other prot wars

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mostly to ss and flame in here

limpid anchor
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(Like not taking shockwave and not having enough stuns in the party)

grave crane
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improper play will have a bigger impact than improper talents

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do you talent check healers and dps as well?

limpid anchor
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If I play the class

modern brook
limpid anchor
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Barbaric?

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Less buttons to press I guess

loud patrol
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barbaric sucks

lusty tiger
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but with overwhelming rage @modern brook

grave crane
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i feel like barabic is bad cause it rage starves us

opaque vine
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Depends on the content you are doing

modern brook
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Yeah uproar and 1% crit

lusty tiger
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ye

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very very fun since i switched

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uproar is extremely pog

lime rivet
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Anyone who tanked in Shadowlands Season 1: how much better of a time do you think I’ll have this time around? I haven’t done keys since then, but I hear it will be much less painful for tanks

lusty tiger
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tanks r op rn

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healers have the lion's share

shell coral
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so the stat shield with armor spikes any good?

wary plume
gray cypress
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Where can i find the macro for Shield charge, charge and intervene?

wary plume
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😢

lime rivet
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I’m glad to hear. I’ve been worried about how hard it’ll be to get to 2500 rating because I remember even 16s being super painful in SL S1

lusty tiger
gray cypress
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hahaha

lusty tiger
shell coral
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1 more question that im sure has been asked a million times. Just want to have things set up for raid. are we going with FbV or BV for raid

loud patrol
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separate buttons is the way

lusty tiger
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practice + comfort > macros

lusty tiger
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esp if you do not know how to make macros

shell coral
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thank you!

lethal nexus
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Heyo, is htere a good build to blast m0 as tank (dmg wise) or just the basic m+ build?

drifting fable
drifting fable
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other than charge and intervene, i would keep shield charge separate. there are certain cases you want to be able to use it on command and not macrod into something

lusty tiger
drifting fable
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plus as a general rule, dont macro GCDs together

compact mortar
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Is this good?

dusty geyser
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I throw hamstring in with my charge/intervene macro too

drifting fable
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ye stuff like that works. i used to put victory rush there too in the past

dusty geyser
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Usually stuff that is mutually exclusive can be safe, but I definitely would not want to put in shield charge

strong forum
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battle scarred scale is the king of the bad tank trinkets

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its ~ 2ppm

modern brook
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SC should he treated Firstly as a damage cd

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Using it for mobility outside of avatar/demo is cringe

lusty tiger
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i hit a 365k SC in brackenhide the other day

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such a disgusting ability

spice heath
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how?

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365k?

lusty tiger
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ye

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big pack

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all CDs out

rancid iris
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What is SC? shield charge?

lusty tiger
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ye

tawny herald
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What turtle do you choose if you are using the ritual shell? I bet mastery is bad, so I guess the Flame one for dmg, and then shield when higher eventually?

sick sentinel
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at least its not blade kit or spore pods

modern brook
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I would go fire or mastery depending entirely on the sim

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Defensive trinkets have never felt less useful to me

sick sentinel
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its my job to not die for the team

sick sentinel
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so i just live in defensive stance

tawny herald
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❤️

lusty tiger
loud patrol
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imagine using defensive stance keks

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no jk its ok i use it to afk

tender cove
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Sims recommending 2 on use trinkets. How would you line that up and with what trinket 😒

lusty tiger
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i have not pressed D stance since dragonflight launched

tender cove
lusty tiger
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i should

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to get some good habits for higher keys

loud patrol
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i do it when i massive pull and go afk

sick sentinel
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geneerally speaking i perfer it to be in defensive mode, given the option

tender cove
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There's a lot of damage if you just pull packs and not singles.

sick sentinel
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less damage, less shit to worry aebout

lyric geode
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protection warrior needs a rework, so it can heal its teammates as well. Feels quite lacking that dudus and palas can heal their teammates but warriors cant.

loud patrol
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true

lusty tiger
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true

loud patrol
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let us get a 4th dps

lusty tiger
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just what we needed

mighty valley
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protection warrior needs a rework, so it can buy me a private jet

tender cove
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Rework rallying cry so the talent also heals for the same amount.

lusty tiger
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if wer talking about things prot war needs- ive been saying this since day 1... ravager needs CDR included in Anger Management

sick sentinel
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nerf damage taken on defensive stance to 10% DR and damage dealt less 10% to 15%

lyric geode
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Rework rallying cry, so it consumes rage but gives heal to its teammates.

loud patrol
sick sentinel
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then i'd have a reason to switch between them

tender cove
loud patrol
mighty valley
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you have a huge reason to switch to battle stance, you do more than 10% extra damage

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why on earth would you nerf both parts of defensive stance

sullen patio
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Is it worth crafting/workordering a shield, if i only have one at 272ilvl? If yes, do i choose a craft with a spark of ingenuity?

sick sentinel
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because defensive stance is overpowered 20% less damage at all times

lusty tiger
sick sentinel
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this is just, very very best in slot for tank

loud patrol
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we never use it

sick sentinel
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i mean, maybe u guys don't but i am atm

lusty tiger
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it is so good i havent had the buff for nearly 2 weeks

mighty valley
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they nerfed our passive DR% to compensate

loud patrol
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check the high keys of the last SL season

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battle stance is used 85% of the time

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DS is for specific mechanics

mighty valley
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yeah, just switch in for high damage moments

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in normal settings, we just don't take meaningful damage, even in bstance

tender cove
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I will ask this everyday until blizz gives me an answer. What the heck are they balancing us around.

lusty tiger
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probably the other tanks

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since each tank has common features esp after all the dragonflight reworks

sick sentinel
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look, i grew up playing doom, so always having more or better armor was always priority whenever i played games, fallout as well

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quickly learned, if you have armor, don't die

loud patrol
lusty tiger
tender cove
# lusty tiger probably the other tanks

I think its bit odd. Are they balancing our dps around battle or defensive stance? And what are they balancing us defensively around? Def stance or battle?
Maybe its a far bigger thing in my head but it troubles me xD

sick sentinel
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im what you call a door fighting camper in these old single player games

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camp out door way with cover and draw dudes out, kill em one by one

loud patrol
sick sentinel
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bring them to the door, no surprises that way

lusty tiger
modern brook
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So staying in it when unneded is just costing damage

modern brook
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My entire reasoning on this is two fold

sick sentinel
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i think generally it will come down to "turn on dstance for these abilities" and "turn on dstance all of this trash/boss pull if your not so good"

lusty tiger
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like our stances are fine as is- as long as they do not present an OP situation compared to the other tanks with similar options

sick sentinel
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is what our advice will be to ppl about how ot use it

modern brook
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  1. damage owns

  2. if dstance was the expected default a) battle stance would not be a default ability along side it, implying the expectation to be swapping between them, ans b) they would 100%reword both stances so that dstance would not have a negative trait associated with it

quaint sage
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wait am i supposed to be in Battle for M+ lol

ocean bloom
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i still like the advice of "Press Dstance when you need it" lol

lusty tiger
quaint sage
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oops

lusty tiger
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D is for I am in Danger

sick sentinel
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im not sold on the idea, but okay, i guess....

lusty tiger
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B is for I will be battling my enemies

cobalt seal
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Then dont use it

drifting fable
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its m+ you want to find every avenue you can to increase damage

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there is a timer you know

cobalt seal
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Its not like you listen to anyone

lyric geode
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What national ideas shall I pick for Byzantium? I am more inclined for inno, influence for World Conquest, One faith, One culture run. Then ditch inno for offensive, divine since I need the siege ability for fast wars due to siege rush.

cobalt seal
modern brook
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I mean ultimately you can leave either up and ignore the mechanic entirely

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Tanks are insane rn

tender cove
# ocean bloom i still like the advice of "Press Dstance when you need it" lol

This is my personal approach. I use it when needed. But i think the implications of us "shaming" dps not only in dps but in survivability, to the point I doubt they find it fun will have consequences going forward and with the way warrior is designed with stances, it will probably not be nice for us. And we do this in battle already.
Thats my concern and worry.

modern brook
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But staying in dstance costs a lot of damage

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And staying I'm bstance lowers what you can actually live through

quaint sage
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so its between 20% less damage or 3% crit +10% damage?

oak echo
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20% less damage taken*

lyric geode
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Fuck wrong channel. FFS

sand drum
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why do I randomly get my banner 👀

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no toy or anything

modern brook
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The reality is you can just easily get the best of both by managing it as the situation requires

loud patrol
sick sentinel
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bought and learend a shit load of new transmog items today

quaint sage
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right, so its between 20% less damage taken or 3% crit +10% damage?

oak echo
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yes

sick sentinel
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bunch of cheap DF crap

tender cove
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Any1 played with the dragon games ball trinket?

tender cove
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It sims pretty high but its onuse and the str is better.

loud patrol
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is a fun trink with pretty good dmg

sand drum
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(sry for interrupting) :>

tender cove
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Lord jesus, its -12c outside and I cant avoid going outside... Pray for me xD

lusty tiger
sick sentinel
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i heard nokhud offensive is hard

modern brook
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No u heard it's dogshit

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Totally different

oak echo
# sick sentinel im not sold on the idea, but okay, i guess....

there's nothing to be sold on. if you personally feel you can't survive without a permanent 20% DR, do you. it's not about the ability or what you "feel is correct". you're accepting that you're going to do less damage than the people who are comfortable sitting in bstance and that's the end of it

grave crane
modern brook
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Oh thanks for reminding me I have to update my weakauras to stop telling me I have spear

tender cove
modern brook
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I mean there are other aspects that are harder to quantify as well that can be worth considering

quaint sage
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i looked thorugh the FAQ so im guessing its a bad idea but is there a big problem macroing Shield block with another skill (like thunder clap) since we want uptime with it as much as possible - new to warr tank this season just looking about to make it similar to my druid/pally tanking bar

modern brook
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Ie: is the damage you lose for sitting in dstance surpassed by the damage gain from your healer not having to heal you? Probably not. But it's another angle to attack the problem from

tender cove
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There's a longer explaination but im sure someone will explain it. I got to go

quaint sage
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gotcha since we cannt have it up 100% of the time

oak echo
modern brook
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But just sending sb on cd is bad practice because it gives more weight to mistakes and downtimes

oak echo
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also gives you less control over rage spending

sick sentinel
oak echo
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well i suppose that's kinda included in what you mean by mistakes and downtimes but yeah agreed

modern brook
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Also it enforces bad habits for when you're not playing talent builds that enable 100% uptime

vernal vale
modern brook
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Yeah you Def maintain it now for sure

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Tbh you probably can just macro it to shit and let it go but I'm not going to recommend that

vernal vale
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So consider that and with current talents uptime is really easy as well just send it but don't macro it in.

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Macroing things together outside of an on use trinket with a damage CD is bad

sick sentinel
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well, okay, for example, if the boss is doing some sort of huge red explosion of death spell, and you can't get in to the boss cuz there is fire shit all over the ground and you have to stay out, you wouldn't really want SB up unless there is a adds say

sweet summit
hazy sluice
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alachritous alchemist stone ring good?

sweet summit
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ring?

sick sentinel
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because, casting SB in that scenario with no adds would be pointless

modern brook
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peepoBlush erga

cunning parcel
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May sound like a dumb question, but do we rotate through our 1.5min cooldowns on packs or blow them all with avatar up?

sweet summit
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bull ExcitedBlushette

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cooldowns on cooldown

hazy sluice
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trinket sorry

sweet summit
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it's meh

quaint sage
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thank yall

modern brook
hazy sluice
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assembly guardian's ring good? 😄

oak echo
quaint sage
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i must be usign a bad build - i seem to have a gap in my SB

sweet summit
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idk what that ring is

modern brook
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U can also just be playing wrong :^)

sand drum
sweet summit
hazy sluice
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dh friend says it procs often and hase 30 % overall healing

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not that we need that much healing but on a ring why not

sweet summit
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oh

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nah

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get the damage proc one

oak echo
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the cobalt assembly tank and dps rings are giga right now

modern brook
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I think you can have both?

oak echo
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you can buy both but only equip 1

sweet summit
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u can't

modern brook
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Game sucks

sweet summit
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real

modern brook
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Df/10 smh

vernal vale
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Just buy damage ring. You won't need tank ring anytime soon unless your a giga pusher for m+ next week

modern brook
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Tank ring is a proc right not on use?

vernal vale
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Yeah it's a proc

modern brook
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Zzzz go dam

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Hard agree

vernal vale
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If you kill stuff faster it does less damage anyways

modern brook
sick sentinel
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thats only true if it doesn't kill you first

quaint sage
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erga, i am using the same spec it seems but outside of shuield charge i am not seeing how to make sure for the 4 seconds of missing SB

sick sentinel
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some times it kills you first

vernal vale
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If your playing right it shouldn't kill you first.

sweet summit
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SC owns

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if it's not that then it's likely gameplay related

vernal vale
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That reminds me I need to check my raid talents before next week.

sick sentinel
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sometimes you on turn 3 yugioh and then blue eyes comes out in attack mode and you got no trap hole set or rageki or anything in hand to kill it

vernal vale
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Jumping right into heroic tuesday

sick sentinel
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whatchu gunna do now homie

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3000 attack and you aint got shit to kill him

blazing condor
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Just play og season 1 yugioh and they play blue eyes turn one

vernal vale
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I don't play yugioh so uh in wow context. Hit shield wall

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Problem solved. Now I'm stable while I get rage

sick sentinel
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ygo = 8000 starting life, max attack monster are around, 4k ish 0 = you dead, run out of cards to draw, dead,

vernal vale
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@sweet summit what's your thoughts on the embellishment we take other than neck?

sweet summit
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not sure, potion one seems rly nice

quaint sage
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ahh thank you i had into the fray

modern brook
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You need 3/4 sb talents to maintain 100% @quaint sage

vernal vale
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I know armor spikes scales good in dungeons when you are doing lots of trash

quaint sage
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than kyou all!

sweet summit
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heard armor spikes were unreliable and too rng, but that could've been raid related idk

vernal vale
strong forum
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its rng on short encounters

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on longer encounters aka raid m+ i can see it being obv better cuz itll average out

vernal vale
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On bosses it seems kind of lackluster at the moment.

strong forum
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well bosses die in like 40 seconds

vernal vale
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But m0 bosses are all dying in one set of CDs lol

vernal vale
strong forum
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yes

urban bane
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What about the bleed helm? I remember it was nerfed on beta but I thought someone said it actually wasn’t so bad still

vernal vale
sweet summit
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makes sense peepostudy

vernal vale
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That's my only thought on it.

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Embellishments that are not on tier slots feels like the best choice for now.

sweet summit
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yeah 100%

vernal vale
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It's not like even with 2 weeks between sparks we won't have time to adjust before raid is done.

loud patrol
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im scared of crafting something in tier slot

ocean bloom
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is there a way to reclaim your spark out of an item lol i feel like crafting knowledge and sparks are way to punishing for mistakes

loud patrol
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cuz thats prob the 1st piece ill get

vernal vale
loud patrol
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is the neck gonna be available next week?

vernal vale
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Neck should be provided someone gets the pattern drop

sweet summit
ocean bloom
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isnt knowledge gain linear once you get all the free sources?

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or is it stated that they will increase how much we get each week

loud patrol
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idk how knowledge is gonna work cuz in my way only weekly and 2 hours of farming each day im gonna be full at the next xpac

lime rivet
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Anyone have experience setting binds to nonstandard peripherals? I want to set up Racing Sim pedals for my stances, so I can go gas pedal for b stance, and brake pedal for d stance

hollow token
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Sorry for the dumb question, but is it worth pressing execute?

uneven mason
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Ya

loud patrol
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ye

strong forum
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yes

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ever since they buffed it by ~45% again since beta

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its good button again

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its still worse than in SL

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but atleast it can slap again

lime rivet
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Is it mostly a boss / mini boss slapper, or is it something I should train my brain to use more universally?

oak echo
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pretty sure you almost universally will use revenge over it in 2 or more targets

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just a good ST button

strong forum
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i think its worth to use now on 1 and 2 target situations

mellow quartz
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Just look at how much damage the button says it does and compare to revenge

strong forum
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on 3+ revenge wins cuz seismic starts kicking in

oak echo
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ah true

uneven mason
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2 targets for sure

strong forum
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execute is still your go-to button for prio even in larger target counts

uneven mason
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Spending that rage

raw parcel
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Is BV still bugged?

loud patrol
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nom says no but in my end its bugged

strong forum
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BV was fixed when i played it yesterday vs dummy

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lemme check again

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interesting

loud patrol
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bugged for you?

strong forum
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checking smth

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vs the target dummy it works

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vs normal mobs in the world it doesnt

loud patrol
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10/10 design

raw parcel
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Bah.

wicked oriole
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Will one handed weapons drop in Mythic if you set your loot spec to fury? If not what is the best way to go about getting dps trinkets

strong forum
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yes

mighty valley
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you'll get 1hers and 2hers

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it's awkward

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but better than arms

raw parcel
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Why not use prot loot spec? 😮

strong forum
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cuz of shit trinkets

mighty valley
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there's always got to be a stam trinket so people can come here and learn that stam trinkets are bad

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time honored tradition

wraith onyx
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Are fang adornments bugged? Details has it showing as "Your attacks deal an additional 35 physical damage"

strong forum
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what kinda question is that

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ofc i do

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testing

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nop

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i talented out of outburst

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still doesnt work vs open world

patent hull
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It only took around 90 minutes to farm the cobalt rep for that ring

crystal mauve
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Nomeratur is BIS warrior, you ask a question BAM you get the answer! 🙂

strong forum
oak echo
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guys i somehow broke all the waterfalls

loud patrol
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nice

neon elk
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U sure its waterfall and not gpu thats broken?

sick sentinel
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RIP gpu

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ur gpu is dying prolly

minor helm
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It’s probly nothing

loud patrol
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lol is not

oak echo
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i did do a driver update yesterday. but no it's not dying

sick sentinel
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RTX ON

oak echo
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restarted and they're fine again. that's less fun

lusty tiger
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Can make out little mosaic tiles of Bobby kotick’s face

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If you look hard enough

loud patrol
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lol

sick sentinel
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sexy c'thulu man raid boss

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there is like hair and a green eye at the middle

loud patrol
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man theres more bugs than mobs in this xpac

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i cant log in again cuz a bug

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and hey you cant put a ticket

sick sentinel
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skill issues

neon elk
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What bug? U are stuck in terain?

loud patrol
sick sentinel
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oh u mean wod where ur taxi says fuck it and big rigs the game your mount through mounanis and walls

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just smash into the damn mountain

neon elk
loud patrol
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yes

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and now i can log in

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god knows why

neon elk
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Cuz u are sexi

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Ur welcome

loud patrol
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lmao

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this game will be so good in patch 10.3

craggy pilot
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what food is better?
75 str
134 secondary stats?

sick sentinel
# sick sentinel just smash into the damn mountain

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB1zWEhgrLs footage of what im referencing, its the wod taxis lol

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Edit 05/03/2020 - On the eve of the 14th anniversary of this gem being uploaded, I wanted to point you to a much higher quality version of this review:...

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craggy pilot
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just looking at preparing Consumes for next week

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and every "BIS" consume is like 10x or 50x the price of the next best thing 🤣

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like lvl 3 Enchants are insanely pricy

compact dove
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Anyone had already success with opening a ticket when the wrong lootspec was active 🙈? Looted a 2h 389 weapon 🥲

compact dove
oak echo
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i can't imagine a scenario where their response is anything but "pound sand"

craggy pilot
#

same as rares

#

but not sure tbh

severe steeple
#

like what you want them to do? reroll it randomly to agi trinket?

quartz ridge
#

So which trinkets are actually worth using, both guides have different info

compact dove
severe steeple
#

yes, but what do you want to be done?

craggy pilot
compact dove
strong forum
tender cove
neon elk
#

389 from hunt ? Whats your overal ilvl wtf

compact dove
compact dove
tender cove
strong forum
#

Titanforging is a thing again

compact dove
strong forum
#

It just doesn't say it on the item

swift spire
#

Real quick one. Is there a way of practicing the “old” dungeons that are due to be in the M+ rotation in Season 1? Feel like I have a grip of the DF ones due to running them on M0 but have never done the older ones before (as a tank)

strong forum
#

Opening a ticket won't change anything BTW

tender cove
strong forum
#

GMs don't away items

strong forum
ocean finch
neon elk
strong forum
#

It evident that open world stuff can titanforge

#

You're the living proof

tender cove
# strong forum Never was

I meant for DF. I was it in the loot tables the ultra rares. So m+ end of chest also has the chance then?

strong forum
#

No

compact dove
oak echo
strong forum
#

Only open world stuff will have this

tender cove
strong forum
#

I for example only got 379s from my weeklies

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And I'm 381

compact dove
strong forum
#

I'm only getting 369-379 from rares

#

So it's more than evident

#

That non-instanced loot can "titanforge"

craggy pilot
#

im only 374 😦

#

feeling so tiny

sick sentinel
#

im at 355 and thats okay with me

#

full blues

tender cove
neon elk
#

Im still rocking 366 wrists and legs

strong forum
#

363 gloves

#

😿

craggy pilot
tender cove
#

359 wrists

craggy pilot
#

hopefully be a lot higher than today

neon elk
#

But i sold like 10+ weapons of 272 already

strong forum
#

I could get like 1.5ilvl from replacing those with 379s

sick sentinel
#

i got lots of 359 stuff

tender cove
sick sentinel
#

363

craggy pilot
craggy pilot
#

not everyone will do 30 keys

#

and only some will go higher than 5-10

quartz ridge
#

Which guide to believe for trinkets? Wowhead or Icy

sick sentinel
oak echo
#

not necessarily. your ilvl will be capped by how high of keys you're running tbh. we won't have unlimited valor

sick sentinel
#

but i have different chest on

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for one, and not green boots

#

thats an old snapshot now

strong forum
#

Which is why I'm going semi ham rn

#

Any kind of ilvl I can get now will let get to higher keys quicker week1

neon elk
strong forum
#

I have fuckall renown

uneven mason
#

But Nom is your tank doing the same?

strong forum
#

How much do I need for those

neon elk
#

12 i think

strong forum
#

Ya im like 8

strong forum
#

I will play with more groups than just 5tank

#

But I won't be pugging

uneven mason
oak echo
#

am i missing something with alchemy or is realy the only way to gain most of your levels from hoping the experiment station doesn't explode on you every time you try it

strong forum
#

Yeah alchemy is toxic af

#

And impossible to guarantee high star crafts

oak echo
#

sadge

neon elk
#

Im just hapily rocking my double harvesting

strong forum
#

Idk why I leveled jc to 80

#

But I did

#

Like you can't even make money with jc

tender cove
# strong forum Any kind of ilvl I can get now will let get to higher keys quicker week1

It's something I've thought about for a while but since you brought it up, i'll just ask.
Who do you think gear matters the most for? People like yourself who is really pushing the class to its limit and where frankly, gear/talents feels more like a bonus for you.
Versus the regular andys doing his vault week.

Doesn't the later benefit more from gear?

sick sentinel
#

still have 343 hands and belt

loud patrol
#

im 90 cooking 100 fishing 100 mining/herb still havent fished the recipes bottle

strong forum
sick sentinel
#

rings too

neon elk
#

Are people actualy making money with crafting profs now ? Arent people doing orders for free just for skills ??

loud patrol
strong forum
#

It's just that capable players get more bang for their buck

#

Both benefit equally from ilvl

tender cove
tender cove
craggy pilot
#

why is Sustained Strength better than Waking stats on chest enchant? 🤔
77str+210stam vs
105 of all primary stats 🤔

sick sentinel
#

i need a few more chaos, if i want to buy one of those 80 chaose piecs say

#

like a weapon

#

i got a 372 shield, so i figure the hearth one, or a weapon

strong forum
craggy pilot
sick sentinel
#

whats the issue about the cannons, for a lack of a better term boss 1 nokhud

neon elk
#

@strong forum btw , is there any info on how high does those world content drops go? Or will go with our higher ilvl.

sick sentinel
#

i heard they are bugging out

oak echo
#

i think at this point it's just about proven that they cap at a base of 379 before "whateverforging" they want to call it

strong forum
oak echo
#

but beyond that i don't think we know

sick sentinel
#

i plan to run it on mythic in a little bit

strong forum
#

Send the cannon when the boss Is casting eruption

craggy pilot
#

with current prices, buying all my consumes (20 of each phial/food/rune) would cost 230k gold 😄

#

includes 1 of each enchant

#

and just 1 gem

sick sentinel
#

i can't recall whom, but someone told me the cannons weren't working

strong forum
#

I use speed

grave crane
#

they are

strong forum
#

Has more practicality

grave crane
#

if a sabatour gets through they dont do something to them

tender cove
strong forum
#

Neither are impactful

craggy pilot
sick sentinel
#

i should try that 3 warlock thing again

#

that was a pretty good idea

strong forum
#

Just because you're a tank doesn't mean you should go stamina

tender cove
strong forum
#

Getting more speed has actual practical use in raid and m+

#

Getting 0.1% stam doesnt

#

Or however much it is

tender cove
strong forum
#

Always leech

#

Unless you're a bdk

sick sentinel
#

oh, i put speed on the enchant

strong forum
#

Then you want speed or avoidance

sick sentinel
#

need new enchants anyways for a couple pieces

strong forum
#

Same goes for vdh

craggy pilot
sick sentinel
#

according to dk friend they want mastery all of the mastery

strong forum
#

Avoidance for raid

#

Leech for m+

#

Generally speaking

craggy pilot
#

oh i thought Avoidance was good for AOE

strong forum
#

Yes

#

That's why it's good in raid

grave crane
#

leech better in m+ cause of aoe?

strong forum
#

Yes

craggy pilot
#

so basically Str > Secondary stats > Leech > Avoidance > Speed > Stam

strong forum
#

If we go by enchants, yes

craggy pilot
#

well for everything

#

gear choices etc

strong forum
#

The only time

#

You will choose between stam and X on normal gear, is trinket

#

And stamina trinkets are hard banned

craggy pilot
#

ye but you also chose between stam / str and x when comparing diff ilvl 😉

strong forum
#

Ilvl wins

craggy pilot
#

which is top question always asked in here when vault drops

#

"is this better than my 10 ilvl lower item"

strong forum
#

That's opportunity cost

#

Not just "yeah it's an ilvl gain"

#

Gotta weigh your options

craggy pilot
#

tru

strong forum
#

That being said

#

For ultra early mythic prog when undergeard

#

Stamina enchants, such as fierce armor kit and boot enchant

#

Can prove beneficial

craggy pilot
#

meaning mythic raid or m+?

strong forum
#

raid

craggy pilot
#

ye ok, im not raiding as tank this season

strong forum
#

you wont hard push m+ when youre undergeared

#

thats nonsensical

craggy pilot
#

some will i guess

#

but you will gain gear by pushing

strong forum
#

well if i planned on pushing keys

#

id spam 20s until i couldnt get passible upgrades anymore

craggy pilot
#

well probably not 20s on week 1

strong forum
#

my goal is 20s

craggy pilot
#

week 1?

strong forum
#

ye

craggy pilot
#

hmm nice

#

ill shoot for the moon i guess 🙂

tender cove
craggy pilot
#

only dung i feel a little scared of are Court of Stars and Burial Ground

#

never done any of those

strong forum
#

stamina trinkets are banned

#

because they always also come with dogshit effects

#

yeah okay so

#

getting stamina enchant on boots + legs

#

is barely over 1% stamina

#

hardly worth being outed as "trolling" if you dont pick them

tender cove
craggy pilot
#

i ate some sta food, and im pandaren, and i went from 329k hp to 333k hp 🤣

#

barely useful

strong forum
tender cove
#

haha, okok 😄

craggy pilot
#

329k hp to 338k hp with 270 stam from food 🤦

tender cove
#

I kinda liked the idea of that trinket. Felt like blizz acknowledged how bad pure stam trinkets are but still tried to make one for tanks. I applaud the effort i suppose.

strong forum
#

you get 179 stam total from those enchants

craggy pilot
#

pandaren OP with this new shit ❤️

next copper
#

Dang, that's hot.

craggy pilot
#

i will now always have well fed even if we wipe on boss ❤️

tender cove
strong forum
#

oh wait

craggy pilot
#

i put missive on it later

strong forum
#

burgeoning seed has str

tender cove
strong forum
#

it takes over 2 minutes to stack to 5

#

meh

tender cove
#

damn... wtf

strong forum
#

so lets say you always get lucky procs

#

you get +130k hp and + 10% vers every 2 minutes

sick sentinel
#

there, that is the gear i have equipped

strong forum
#

not a terrible trinket

#

but not great either

tender cove
strong forum
#

its 2 ppm

#

so on average youll get 1 stack every 30seconds

#

meaning 430 vers for 12sec and 26k absorb

tender cove
#

not great no

strong forum
#

thats 20% uptime on 430 vers, meaning 86 on average

#

wait no

#

its 40% uptime

quartz ridge
#

So which trinkets are actually the best? both guides say different things. i got a couple of them from m0 now and wanna know whcih i should use

tender cove
#

hoof is just insane but thats just my feelcraft

strong forum
#

dragon gem games, trample thingy, blazebinder

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whelp shell, tentacle thingy, signoll flare

#

theyre all pretty alright

#

pick whichever you like best of those

quartz ridge
#

i got trample, ruby whelp, blazebinder, Game Equipment, Ritual shell, Shark tooth

tender cove
#

I have all those from m0, was real lucky xD

strong forum
#

pick whichever of those trinkets you like

#

theyre all decent

quartz ridge
#

oki cool thanks

#

ill give em all a shot

strong forum
#

i myself am running ruby whelp and signoll flare rn

tender cove
#

I simmed it and sims want me to use double on use, hoof and gem games. Is that accurate? And if so, which one do you buff?

quartz ridge
#

Which mode for the whelp?

strong forum
#

dmg

#

obv

loud patrol
#

healing and get a 4th dps

tender cove
#

but hoof gives a huge str proc that buffs everything and gem games needs its onuse attack to be buffed.

strong forum
#

as if youd need a healer for the tank

#

you get a healer for the dps

#

not for the tank

loud patrol
#

let the whelp heal the dps

strong forum
#

hoof for CDs, dragon gem outside of CDs

tender cove
#

ohh, cool tyvm 😄

strong forum
#

but id not worry about trinket rn for m0s

#

ill run signoll flare + RDM/whelp probably in m+

tender cove
#

i kinda like mutated scales + hoof. and its only a 280 dps difference so not like it matters

strong forum
#

1 passive + 1 on use plays better anyway

tender cove
#

both those trinkets seem to average 5% total dps EACH.

quartz ridge
#

What the heck is gem games

tender cove
#

a trinket that shoots balls

quartz ridge
#

Ah Dragon game equipment

severe steeple
#

i gotta say i will hate it if i get a giga football trinket from vault

quartz ridge
#

not sure where the gem is coming from

severe steeple
#

but dmg is bonkers

strong forum
#

lmao

#

its telling me to use the 306 trinket

tender cove
strong forum
#

i swear ruby whelp is undersimming

quartz ridge
#

How do you set the ruby whelp? i summoned him but he just fell asleep and despawned

strong forum
#

he has a low proc rate

#

you target an enemy, then use the trinket

#

then the welp is in attack mode

#

itll proc every now and again and do some dmg

sick sentinel
#

it dropped but i think the evoker got traded it

quartz ridge
#

Ah right fair

tender cove
#

y'll doing those trial of flood / elements btw? Heard about it today 😒

strong forum
#

ye

#

once a week

fallen pulsar
#

Lots of trinkets seem off on the sim. If you want to show off a big sim number just sim with the tree splinter, it seems like the self damage and shield count as damage

strong forum
#

yeah that trinket is troll

quartz ridge
#

Armor spikes was terrible right

strong forum
#

doesnt seem too hot

tender cove
strong forum
#

?

#

u good?

tender cove
shell coral
#

So armor spikes are a no go? 😦

quartz ridge
#

All the embellishments seem minor

strong forum
#

yes

#

none of the embellishments will do more than 1% kinda stuff

#

theyre all very minor effects

#

even the special embellisments

fierce field
#

I think the best addon isn't even counted as an embellishment... and alchemical food pocket

shell coral
#

I guess people are using it as a way to get rid of low ilvl gear? I think thats what i might do

fierce field
#

I just want a nice 3 socket neck to upgrade and keep with me forever and ever, with a fancy empower gems bonus on it

median tulip
#

Are any of the voti trinkets particularly notable for us?

#

I looked at the pins but there's nothing about them there

quartz ridge
#

Nice procced my crafted shield to 4stars

loud patrol
#

we need a pin for trusted blacksmiths

severe steeple
#

man full speed enchants sure feel nice

pallid quiver
#

considering there's at least like, 4 servers

loud patrol
#

tru

rich helm
#

Sophic Devotion or Wafting Devotion for M+?

jagged pier
#

frozen or sophic,

strong forum
#

frozen wafting or sophic are all very very close to each other in sims with max gear, frozen devotion gets better the worse your gear

#

and frozen takes the absolute lead in aoe

#

huh

#

apparently sophic is better now for me in aoe :susge:

tender cove
#

this any good?

strong forum
#

5target 5min sophic wins

#

interesting

tender cove
#

I must be the luckiest guy with trinkets rn. Its all i get dropping lol

strong forum
#

i got 7 weapons today

#

all of which are useless or not even str

tender cove
#

meh 😦

modern brook
#

I'm literally warriored up

strong forum
#

ya my dps is pretty big xeos

deft hazel
#

ExcitedBlushette I need to investigate

strong forum
#

watch what your group is doing when you attempt to walk past mobs, 9/10 someone will ninja with their booty

edgy grail
#

Watch others groups play

strong forum
#

assume that nobody will kick or stun

#

so you use your own ones

#

use your offensive CDs on CD

#

and use your defensive CDs often even if you dont need them

#

dont sit on CDs to wait for a better day

slim dove
#

add Btags of people you enjoyed playing with.

#

dont pug forever

sick sentinel
#

doing nokhud was very good idea indeed, completed my paintings quest and i got shoulders, neck and legs

#

4 ilvls from one dungeon

mellow palm
#

Have you guys figured out the best embelishments and crafter gear yet?

strong forum
#

neck + X

sick sentinel
#

what are other good mythics to run, i did nokhud and life pools so far

modern brook
#

Uhhh all of them

#

They all have loot tables

sick sentinel
#

gotta go somewhere there is a ring

slim dove
#

halls of inf has a vers/hast ring

wary heath
#

anyone on sargeras that can craft ?

sick sentinel
#

i just need ring general lol

#

don't give a crap what type

strong forum
#

Now that BrV is nerfed. What do I play?
For now the assumption is that the BV nerf has no say in the matter which of the talents you play, BrV will likely still win in actual content.

FbV is solid in lower keys, but the higher you i think BrV will win.
BrV = Brutal Vitality; IP = Ignore Pain; FbV = Fueled by Violence

Which Embellishments should i use/Spark should i craft on?
1st of all, the power target for Embellishments seems to be around 1% power gain over having none at all, so theyre not that important to have the ABSOLUTE best one.

"Elemental Lariat" Necklace, is 30% uptime on 2.5-3% secondary stats, averages out to 1%.
"Infurious Helmet of Vengeance" is around 1% dps.
"Armor Spikes" is around 1% dps.
"Unstable Frostfire Belt" is solid dps and can proc the Raid Rings.
"Allied Wrists of Companionship" 100% uptime on 1% vers, super solid.
__"Fang Adornements"__is around 1% dps.
"Frostfire Legguards of Preparation" are bait, you only get the benefit of ~8-10% haste for 10seconds on pull in m+. Useless outside of fresh pulls, cant recommend.
Rest is TBD.

edgy grail
#

Are crafting orders not region wide?

strong forum
#

i think crafting orders are server wide

edgy grail
#

Also sorry for the dumb question nom the “gains” you’re talking about is comparing no embellishments vs the best or comparing between the embellishments

wary heath
#

is armor spikes going to be in that pinned comment, is it any good

strong forum
#

im comparing no embellishment vs embellishment

edgy grail
#

Ohhh interesting thanks

strong forum
#

theyre quite minor power gains

#

all of the known OP ones have been nerfed on beta

edgy grail
#

Well minor when compared to BIS

#

But like slapping a bis item in when you have a shit one is pretty nice

wary heath
#

spikes must have internal cooldown or low chance to stop it from being OP

strong forum
#

not a cooldown

#

more like proc rate

neon fossil
#

What wep enchant do we go for? Im thinking the haste one.

edgy grail
#

Frozen devo no?

prisma crane
#

from what i've read it's extremely low, which is why the spikes feels so underwhelming

prisma crane
#

likely sophic though once we get gear

strong forum
#

^

prisma crane
#

since frozen doesnt scale as well

strong forum
#

the lower your gear, the better frozen is

neon fossil
#

Frozen writ or frozen devo? They are different

strong forum
#

devo

#

writ is vers proc

prisma crane
#

which is a bummer because at least frozen seems cool

strong forum
#

frozen is better in ST

prisma crane
#

more fun than straight mainstat proc

strong forum
#

sophic is better in aoe

neon fossil
#

Wait, we are talking about doing for Sophic devo right?

sick sentinel
#

oh no......

#

there is no a 4 painting quest instead of 3 😦

vernal vale
prisma crane
#

i also wouldnt be upset if blizzard made equivalent enchants that are like fire air and earth versions of frozen just to at least give some personalization to it

#

exact same procs and numbers but just visually different

#

missed opportunity imo

neon fossil
#

@strong forum How come Frozen Devo is better than Sophic Devo for ST? Shouldn't it be the other way around?

#

Damage is increased when hitting more targets.

vernal vale
#

That's what I was gonna ask

prisma crane
#

damage is split still though

#

it's not 5x dmg on 5 targets

prisma crane
#

but, stuff like revenge and TC will benefit a lot from STR

vernal vale
#

Hmm, that is true.

neon fossil
#

That seems like the biggest jbait ever in the history of wow!

strong forum
#

what the "damage is increased for each enemy" means, is it increases by 25% for each additional enemy

#

so frozen does only 2x its damage on aoe compared to ST

#

when sophic continues to scale

neon fossil
#

Let's add something what implies it scales when hitting more targets. Yet, it doesn't kekw

prisma crane
#

most aoe things got really lame since the cap was implemented

#

all of the "up to 5 targets" items imo got way more boring

strong forum
#

yes

#

all of the "up to 5 targets" thing is the "does 25% more for each target"

vernal vale
#

Well probably just grab mainstat and roll it.

strong forum
#

but it also splits

prisma crane
vernal vale
#

Since mainstat increases everything

strong forum
#

yes

neon fossil
#

Interesting to see the logic behind blizzard for this.

prisma crane
#

blizzard just needs to find ways to make the stat based enchants better if you're a less involved player but the "fun" ones better if you play better, like frontal cone or something that at least requires positioning, etc

#

otherwise the basic boring stat ones will always win

#

as we've seen since BFA at this point

#

give me a reason to pick the one that "freezes" enemies

#

and again, target caps are a big problem, one of my favorite trinkets in Legion was the one from the Coven Diima's

#

fat armor proc, caused a slow, and did BIG damage if you pulled big

#

on a short CD

wary heath
#

armor spikes did 1.1% of my damage in the dungeon i just ran, 52 hits overall. it was just a random heroic i was speed running

strong forum
#

they just buffed armor spikes

wary heath
#

anecdotal , just testing it though

strong forum
#

just now

#

it does now 1/3rd of its dmg proc, but procs over 4x as often

slim dove
#

ye it says 5k now instead of 15k

#

thats a nice change.

strong forum
#

i got 25 procs in 3.5minutes

neon fossil
#

Armor Spikes is one of those min-max situations. You should always be running some variation of it regardless of how little it does just as its a passive and a just because type of thing in my opinion

strong forum
#

thats just all embellishements my guy

#

all of embellishements are passives

severe steeple
#

so it went from 1% to 1.2%?

onyx idol
#

I am also passive

wary heath
#

ill use it until told otherwise

#

what's the neck one doing ?

strong forum
#

well on dummy now armor spikes did 3.5% of my damage

wary heath
#

I only have one spark, so im assuming you guys used yours on the neck already ?

severe steeple
strong forum
#

neck isnt available yet

#

recipe drops from raid

#

i think

severe steeple
#

armor spikes is the helm or smth you add to any items?

wary heath
#

it's on my shield

strong forum
#

you can add it to any item

#

its not an item specific thing like lariat necklace of helmet of vengeance

#

keep in mind this is ST

#

the more important part is the dps it did

wary heath
#

yeah that's nuts on ST

strong forum
#

700 dps is nothing amazing at max gear

#

helmet did 1.7k on beta

severe steeple
#

so... verdict?

strong forum
#

verdict is

#

wait until we have more info

#

neck cant be crafted yet, helmet cant be crafted yet i think, bronze wrappings cant be crafted yet

wary heath
#

just put on on, you can swap them at any time

#

one*

severe steeple
#

im still HODLing my crafts, both matrix and spark. will probably do them tuesday

strong forum
#

no reason to hold matrixes

severe steeple
#

wanna see what upgrades i get

strong forum
#

i mean

severe steeple
#

its either gonna be chest or pants

strong forum
#

382s are gonna get replaced fast

sick sentinel
#

im confused by what he's talking about

strong forum
#

there are patrolling whelps

#

in the dungeon

#

dont touch them

#

or step into the circle

sick sentinel
#

so it wakes up the entire hallway

strong forum
#

if you do get into the circle, stun and kill them super quickly

#

otherwise you get super aids mobs to fight

sick sentinel
#

yeah, i just ran in and attacked them

#

someone raged and left lol

strong forum
#

excessive

#

but uh sure

wary heath
#

dps are disposable

#

find a new one

#

they are rats

sick sentinel
#

well, i got that ring i wanted lol

severe steeple
#

can't wait to go into +10 and upward and ppl still fucking up those whelps

strong forum
#

very glad ill never pug

wary heath
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do you have a team?

severe steeple
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nah

wary heath
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some of us fly solo in M+

sick sentinel
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so, i've seen the ring around them

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its i can't go in that ring at any point, ot when it ends

wary heath
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it just stays around them

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takes like 1 oz of effort to walk around them

sick sentinel
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so is like the smoke from work shop a bit?

slim dove
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azure vault @frozen thunder

sick sentinel
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have to maze through

wary heath
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its just a circle aura thing, on the ground

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or mark it with a skull , storm bolt it and kill it

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but kinda pointless because it's very easy to just...run around it

sick sentinel
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ill watcwh a video on it later

karmic plinth
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can draconium defender be work ordered

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i used my spark on my goggles 😔

fading tide
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Is there a guide on how and what to use my sparks on?

strong forum
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How: craft order, just open it you'll figure it out

dawn marsh
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Heya, I was doing Ruby Life Pools today and the last boss just obliterated my party. I think Stormslam was kicking my ass, are there tips to rotate the cooldowns for it? I was told that our Druid healer couldn't do anything about it apparently.

strong forum
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Get dispelled

slim dove
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lmao get dispelled

dawn marsh
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Ah...

strong forum
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Your healer didn't dispel you

graceful sundial
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how is Irideus Fragment?

slim dove
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healers this expac man

strong forum
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Irideous is awful

wary heath
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dark iron racial

slim dove
strong forum
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It counts every single button press to reduce a stack of its buff

dawn marsh
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Can any healer just dispell Stormslam? (I have no clue how healer works)

strong forum
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So ignore pain, battle shout, taunt, heroic throw

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Stormslash leaves a debuff on you, making the next one deal 100% or 150% increased dmg

strong forum
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That just has to get dispelled

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And youre fine

slim dove
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I think you can reflect it

strong forum
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Can't

slim dove
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similar to last boss in nokhud

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no? dang

dawn marsh
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Aah okay, ty for that eye-opening information 😂

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Idk kept being blamed: "Tank just dies fast".

severe steeple
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probably the healer was someones girlfriend

wary heath
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the healer was someones wife

strong forum
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The healer was bad

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But also

tender cove
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If i want to sim for m+? Its patchwerk, 5 targets, 3 min?

strong forum
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1 target 3 min with bloodlust
5 targets 1-1.5min (up to you) without bl
10 targets 1.5min without bl

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Then draw your own conclusion

tender cove
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ohh, okok. ty 😄

fading tide
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What kind of difference can I expect going from dps to tank in mythic plus? S4 was my first time doing mythic plus and I did it as as Ret pally. Got to 2159 b4 I got bored

strong forum
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Tanks have alot more responsibility

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People will flame you alot

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You need a thick skin

fierce field
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or ironfur

tulip kelp
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Or will sing your praises and try to hit you up for your bnet

strong forum
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Pugs tend to be very harsh towards average tanks

fierce field
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but yeah, you get to control the pace of the dungeon, one thing I learned about pugging as a tank is that every DPS has played with multiple tanks, and has seen a bunch of routes, and will flame you for not taking what they see is the "perfect route"

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but the route you take, is the one that is best for you

strong forum
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You'll have alot more pressure on yourself to perform in keys unless you don't give 2 single shits

Luckily tanks are super strong right now

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So even if things don't play out too well you will be fine

wary heath
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what does this mean, "Crafting order failed, please try again later " , when ordering an order .....

strong forum
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You'll be the last raid boss left standing

tender cove
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Its hard being tank, fine balance between not giving a shit and being able to self critique to improve. But yeh, generally have thick skin, aim to find consistent team members and pugging gets a lot better the higher you get.

tender cove
wary heath
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i had to repair the item first, apparently a bug

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works now

tender cove
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noice

onyx idol
fierce field
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it's nice when you get praise for soloing the bosses from 30% because everybody else died

tender cove
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@strong forum my sims all say the same topgear, so that means I should trust it?

wary heath
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dont trust that

tender cove
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it feels pretty accurate towards what I pull in dungeons for 10 targets.

wary heath
tender cove
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Spicy shield bro, gz 😄

wary heath
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christmas came early

vernal vale
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Rip no crit

tender cove
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ohh, yeh, gotta recraft it now 😛

wary heath
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crit is whack

pallid quiver
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begone

vernal vale
tender cove
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nah, more dps and soon 30% parry, thats tastey.

pallid quiver
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crit is power

craggy pilot
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mine not even embellished 🙂

wary heath
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is that food thing not the embelishment

tender cove
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Shit, i cant say anything, i crafted mine with haste/versa too, just out of habit xD

vernal vale
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Lol

craggy pilot
pallid quiver
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i didn't make a shield; i made a helm to replace my like 350 helm

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Probably make a shield next week, I think

tender cove
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How does the spark shit work. When can i upgrade the shield, next spark? Or do i need to farm the raid praying to rng jesus too?