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defensives, tell ur healer before that happens, be a dwarf, bring a priest
dwarf is literal the best form of that possible dark iron for healer/dps normal for tank
DI works for tank, just, i'd rather have the defensive DR
No use arguing with people, yes i can use defensives, but that works once when im 4+stacks, what happens when they hit me again? xd
oh also get good dps
Tru
same solution as the frog in halls
telling me to be a dwarf mid dungeon is not a solution
yes, taking good dps u gunna be happy for the rest of ur life
Don’t listen to those trolls
¯_(ツ)_/¯
You have gained something valuable
Knowing not to start the run until someone types “yes” to your request to dispelling last boss
And everyone having read that is your win condition
Anyone know why Raidbots is simming the Festering Splinter as a high-DPS trinket?
cuz the dmg u do to urself counts as total dps
yeah lmao
Wtf lol
Guess Ruby Shell and Kickball are getting used.
the solution is playing with a healer lol
I did get a 376 blazing essence (crit haste stick with movespeed proc)
Wtf is this name
but 300 STR is just too good to pass up
I would like to know for real though if Forgestorm is simbait.
wdym
Which dungeons?
What happend to cromation
Because at 359 it's beating Spellbane at 372 on ST patchwerk
sim-wise
is it really THAT good?
Bildegard whateverthename and halls of infusion. At least that’s the ones I remember, BUT you don’t need it there either
It's good yeah
Will be bis next season
Likely to be replaced by end game ilvl this season
Thoughts on Thunderous Roar + BloodBorne build over Ravager and Shockwave?
wdym
Bloodborne is a really underperfoming talent
Ravager is busted, why would you not take an aoe stun (unless your grp is loaded anyway)
I just saw some people running that build and was curious what everyone else thinks
Sounds like some guy
The general concensus of this hive mind with regards to talent builds will be the ones in the pins
at the end of the day play what you want cause it aint gonna effect you enough to stop you from doing most content
Thanks all!
running without shockwave feels so nice tbh
I would kick a tank with the wrong talents tbh
an extra talent and an open/extra GCD

depends how wrong
cringe tbh
If viable but not optimal, sure
I just picked up a trinket called Ancestral Protector's stone with a proc of 1.3k vers on damage taken, any opinions on this thing?
If it’s just bad than kick
You have more patience than I to like check
ofc u will feel it the whole run
i usually check other prot wars
mostly to ss and flame in here
(Like not taking shockwave and not having enough stuns in the party)
improper play will have a bigger impact than improper talents
do you talent check healers and dps as well?
If I play the class
What do you actually take over Shockwave? Uproar and 1% crit?
barbaric sucks
but with overwhelming rage @modern brook
i feel like barabic is bad cause it rage starves us
Depends on the content you are doing
Yeah uproar and 1% crit
Anyone who tanked in Shadowlands Season 1: how much better of a time do you think I’ll have this time around? I haven’t done keys since then, but I hear it will be much less painful for tanks
so the stat shield with armor spikes any good?
Way better
recrafting aint working for me right now so i cant test it
Where can i find the macro for Shield charge, charge and intervene?
😢
I’m glad to hear. I’ve been worried about how hard it’ll be to get to 2500 rating because I remember even 16s being super painful in SL S1
when u press the macro on an enemy will you charge or shield charge?
Good question, i dont know exactly how i want it to work
hahaha
then do not use one
1 more question that im sure has been asked a million times. Just want to have things set up for raid. are we going with FbV or BV for raid
separate buttons is the way
practice + comfort > macros
pins
esp if you do not know how to make macros
thank you!
Heyo, is htere a good build to blast m0 as tank (dmg wise) or just the basic m+ build?
repair it
#showtooltip Charge
/cast Intervene [target=mouseover,help,exists,nodead]Intervene; Intervene
/cast Charge [target=target,harm,exists,nodead]Charge; Charge
you can use this for charge intervene if youre using intervene (which sucks without safeguard btw) makes intervene a mouseover on allies and charges normally otherwise
other than charge and intervene, i would keep shield charge separate. there are certain cases you want to be able to use it on command and not macrod into something
i take overwhelming rage, and heavy repercussions instead tho
plus as a general rule, dont macro GCDs together
Is this good?
I throw hamstring in with my charge/intervene macro too
ye stuff like that works. i used to put victory rush there too in the past
Usually stuff that is mutually exclusive can be safe, but I definitely would not want to put in shield charge
SC should he treated Firstly as a damage cd
Using it for mobility outside of avatar/demo is cringe
What is SC? shield charge?
ye
What turtle do you choose if you are using the ritual shell? I bet mastery is bad, so I guess the Flame one for dmg, and then shield when higher eventually?
at least its not blade kit or spore pods
I would go fire or mastery depending entirely on the sim
Defensive trinkets have never felt less useful to me
its my job to not die for the team
Fire.
so i just live in defensive stance
❤️
try not to fall asleep
Sims recommending 2 on use trinkets. How would you line that up and with what trinket 😒
i have not pressed D stance since dragonflight launched
I press it at least once per m0.
i do it when i massive pull and go afk
geneerally speaking i perfer it to be in defensive mode, given the option
There's a lot of damage if you just pull packs and not singles.
less damage, less shit to worry aebout
protection warrior needs a rework, so it can heal its teammates as well. Feels quite lacking that dudus and palas can heal their teammates but warriors cant.
true
true
let us get a 4th dps
just what we needed
protection warrior needs a rework, so it can buy me a private jet
Rework rallying cry so the talent also heals for the same amount.
if wer talking about things prot war needs- ive been saying this since day 1... ravager needs CDR included in Anger Management
nerf damage taken on defensive stance to 10% DR and damage dealt less 10% to 15%
Rework rallying cry, so it consumes rage but gives heal to its teammates.
and reduce the cd to 10 secs
then i'd have a reason to switch between them
huh, you dont want to stack warriors, how selfish of you 😦
if this happens i just delete my swich macro 
you have a huge reason to switch to battle stance, you do more than 10% extra damage
why on earth would you nerf both parts of defensive stance
Is it worth crafting/workordering a shield, if i only have one at 272ilvl? If yes, do i choose a craft with a spark of ingenuity?
because defensive stance is overpowered 20% less damage at all times
this would be the most epic tier set i would... release fluids- and solids
balanced
this is just, very very best in slot for tank
we never use it
i mean, maybe u guys don't but i am atm
it is so good i havent had the buff for nearly 2 weeks
they nerfed our passive DR% to compensate
check the high keys of the last SL season
battle stance is used 85% of the time
DS is for specific mechanics
yeah, just switch in for high damage moments
in normal settings, we just don't take meaningful damage, even in bstance
I will ask this everyday until blizz gives me an answer. What the heck are they balancing us around.
probably the other tanks
since each tank has common features esp after all the dragonflight reworks
look, i grew up playing doom, so always having more or better armor was always priority whenever i played games, fallout as well
quickly learned, if you have armor, don't die
not playing berserk builds in fallout 
not a reason to denounce cutting edge strategy
I think its bit odd. Are they balancing our dps around battle or defensive stance? And what are they balancing us defensively around? Def stance or battle?
Maybe its a far bigger thing in my head but it troubles me xD
im what you call a door fighting camper in these old single player games
camp out door way with cover and draw dudes out, kill em one by one
i think they finally got in their heads m+ is about dmg
bring them to the door, no surprises that way
the big boi prots said were being balanced around D stance... but it seems to me like theyre worried about tank comparison moreso than individual features
None of us are devs obviously, but I'm of the opinion that the expectation is dstsnce will be used as a defensive cd,
So staying in it when unneded is just costing damage
that we know of 
My entire reasoning on this is two fold
i think generally it will come down to "turn on dstance for these abilities" and "turn on dstance all of this trash/boss pull if your not so good"
like our stances are fine as is- as long as they do not present an OP situation compared to the other tanks with similar options
is what our advice will be to ppl about how ot use it
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damage owns
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if dstance was the expected default a) battle stance would not be a default ability along side it, implying the expectation to be swapping between them, ans b) they would 100%reword both stances so that dstance would not have a negative trait associated with it
wait am i supposed to be in Battle for M+ lol
i still like the advice of "Press Dstance when you need it" lol
the advice depends on if the player wants to excel or coast
yes
oops
D is for I am in Danger
im not sold on the idea, but okay, i guess....
B is for I will be battling my enemies
Then dont use it
its m+ you want to find every avenue you can to increase damage
there is a timer you know
Its not like you listen to anyone
What national ideas shall I pick for Byzantium? I am more inclined for inno, influence for World Conquest, One faith, One culture run. Then ditch inno for offensive, divine since I need the siege ability for fast wars due to siege rush.

I mean ultimately you can leave either up and ignore the mechanic entirely
Tanks are insane rn
This is my personal approach. I use it when needed. But i think the implications of us "shaming" dps not only in dps but in survivability, to the point I doubt they find it fun will have consequences going forward and with the way warrior is designed with stances, it will probably not be nice for us. And we do this in battle already.
Thats my concern and worry.
But staying in dstance costs a lot of damage
And staying I'm bstance lowers what you can actually live through
so its between 20% less damage or 3% crit +10% damage?
20% less damage taken*
Fuck wrong channel. FFS
The reality is you can just easily get the best of both by managing it as the situation requires
banner back 
bought and learend a shit load of new transmog items today
right, so its between 20% less damage taken or 3% crit +10% damage?
yes
bunch of cheap DF crap
Any1 played with the dragon games ball trinket?
i did
It sims pretty high but its onuse and the str is better.
is a fun trink with pretty good dmg
(sry for interrupting) :>
Lord jesus, its -12c outside and I cant avoid going outside... Pray for me xD
26c here in the swamp good luck buddy
i heard nokhud offensive is hard
there's nothing to be sold on. if you personally feel you can't survive without a permanent 20% DR, do you. it's not about the ability or what you "feel is correct". you're accepting that you're going to do less damage than the people who are comfortable sitting in bstance and that's the end of it
There’s a ability in your spell book to don the banner for the animation only
Oh thanks for reminding me I have to update my weakauras to stop telling me I have spear
I think it comes down to feels in this case. There's nothing right or wrong about using either stance in any way.
I mean there are other aspects that are harder to quantify as well that can be worth considering
i looked thorugh the FAQ so im guessing its a bad idea but is there a big problem macroing Shield block with another skill (like thunder clap) since we want uptime with it as much as possible - new to warr tank this season just looking about to make it similar to my druid/pally tanking bar
Ie: is the damage you lose for sitting in dstance surpassed by the damage gain from your healer not having to heal you? Probably not. But it's another angle to attack the problem from
yes, you want to have it available when you need it. i.e tank busters.
There's a longer explaination but im sure someone will explain it. I got to go
gotcha since we cannt have it up 100% of the time
We can
true - i think in this case though we're talking about people who play more for comfort than maximizing performance
But just sending sb on cd is bad practice because it gives more weight to mistakes and downtimes
also gives you less control over rage spending
more specifically, just before that big bonk ability goes out
well i suppose that's kinda included in what you mean by mistakes and downtimes but yeah agreed
Also it enforces bad habits for when you're not playing talent builds that enable 100% uptime
I'll give you this. It does buff SS damage so you should be throwing it for that reason too though.
Yeah you Def maintain it now for sure
Tbh you probably can just macro it to shit and let it go but I'm not going to recommend that
So consider that and with current talents uptime is really easy as well just send it but don't macro it in.
Macroing things together outside of an on use trinket with a damage CD is bad
well, okay, for example, if the boss is doing some sort of huge red explosion of death spell, and you can't get in to the boss cuz there is fire shit all over the ground and you have to stay out, you wouldn't really want SB up unless there is a adds say
ur still necro so u have to in spellbook (cosmetic banner)
alachritous alchemist stone ring good?
ring?
because, casting SB in that scenario with no adds would be pointless
erga
May sound like a dumb question, but do we rotate through our 1.5min cooldowns on packs or blow them all with avatar up?
trinket sorry
it's meh
thank yall
If you're sending everything on cd you should basically have 1 avatar with everything 1 avatar without everything, from my experience
assembly guardian's ring good? 😄
i think the only time you really hold is if there's something like <5 seconds of holding to line them up
i must be usign a bad build - i seem to have a gap in my SB
idk what that ring is
U can also just be playing wrong :^)
oooh must have miss clicked it XD thx
check pins for talent builds
dh friend says it procs often and hase 30 % overall healing
not that we need that much healing but on a ring why not
the cobalt assembly tank and dps rings are giga right now
I think you can have both?
you can buy both but only equip 1
u can't
Game sucks
real
Df/10 smh
Just buy damage ring. You won't need tank ring anytime soon unless your a giga pusher for m+ next week
Tank ring is a proc right not on use?
Yeah it's a proc
If you kill stuff faster it does less damage anyways

thats only true if it doesn't kill you first
erga, i am using the same spec it seems but outside of shuield charge i am not seeing how to make sure for the 4 seconds of missing SB
some times it kills you first
If your playing right it shouldn't kill you first.
That reminds me I need to check my raid talents before next week.
sometimes you on turn 3 yugioh and then blue eyes comes out in attack mode and you got no trap hole set or rageki or anything in hand to kill it
Jumping right into heroic tuesday
Just play og season 1 yugioh and they play blue eyes turn one
I don't play yugioh so uh in wow context. Hit shield wall
Problem solved. Now I'm stable while I get rage
Heavy reprucssoons
ygo = 8000 starting life, max attack monster are around, 4k ish 0 = you dead, run out of cards to draw, dead,
@sweet summit what's your thoughts on the embellishment we take other than neck?
not sure, potion one seems rly nice
ahh thank you i had into the fray
You need 3/4 sb talents to maintain 100% @quaint sage
I know armor spikes scales good in dungeons when you are doing lots of trash
than kyou all!
heard armor spikes were unreliable and too rng, but that could've been raid related idk
It is a bit RNG. Scaling great in m0 right now but I'm pulling giga pulls to make them faster so lots of trash.
its rng on short encounters
on longer encounters aka raid m+ i can see it being obv better cuz itll average out
On bosses it seems kind of lackluster at the moment.
well bosses die in like 40 seconds
But m0 bosses are all dying in one set of CDs lol
Did you go armor spikes as well?
yes
What about the bleed helm? I remember it was nerfed on beta but I thought someone said it actually wasn’t so bad still
Then I'm in good company lol
makes sense 
Helm is a potential tier slot
That's my only thought on it.
Embellishments that are not on tier slots feels like the best choice for now.
yeah 100%
It's not like even with 2 weeks between sparks we won't have time to adjust before raid is done.
im scared of crafting something in tier slot
is there a way to reclaim your spark out of an item lol i feel like crafting knowledge and sparks are way to punishing for mistakes
cuz thats prob the 1st piece ill get
Smart to not craft those slots.
is the neck gonna be available next week?
Maybe initially it can be punishing but I don't think it will hurt us in the long run.
Neck should be provided someone gets the pattern drop
ye
isnt knowledge gain linear once you get all the free sources?
or is it stated that they will increase how much we get each week
idk how knowledge is gonna work cuz in my way only weekly and 2 hours of farming each day im gonna be full at the next xpac
Anyone have experience setting binds to nonstandard peripherals? I want to set up Racing Sim pedals for my stances, so I can go gas pedal for b stance, and brake pedal for d stance
Sorry for the dumb question, but is it worth pressing execute?
Ya
ye
yes
ever since they buffed it by ~45% again since beta
its good button again
its still worse than in SL
but atleast it can slap again
Is it mostly a boss / mini boss slapper, or is it something I should train my brain to use more universally?
pretty sure you almost universally will use revenge over it in 2 or more targets
just a good ST button
i think its worth to use now on 1 and 2 target situations
Just look at how much damage the button says it does and compare to revenge
on 3+ revenge wins cuz seismic starts kicking in
ah true
2 targets for sure
execute is still your go-to button for prio even in larger target counts
Spending that rage
Is BV still bugged?
nom says no but in my end its bugged
bugged for you?
10/10 design
Bah.
Will one handed weapons drop in Mythic if you set your loot spec to fury? If not what is the best way to go about getting dps trinkets
yes
Why not use prot loot spec? 😮
cuz of shit trinkets
there's always got to be a stam trinket so people can come here and learn that stam trinkets are bad
time honored tradition
Are fang adornments bugged? Details has it showing as "Your attacks deal an additional 35 physical damage"
what kinda question is that
ofc i do
testing
nop
i talented out of outburst
still doesnt work vs open world
It only took around 90 minutes to farm the cobalt rep for that ring
Nomeratur is BIS warrior, you ask a question BAM you get the answer! 🙂

guys i somehow broke all the waterfalls
nice
U sure its waterfall and not gpu thats broken?
lol is not
i did do a driver update yesterday. but no it's not dying
RTX ON
restarted and they're fine again. that's less fun
lol
man theres more bugs than mobs in this xpac
i cant log in again cuz a bug
and hey you cant put a ticket
skill issues
What bug? U are stuck in terain?
yep and it instatly disconnects me
oh u mean wod where ur taxi says fuck it and big rigs the game your mount through mounanis and walls
just smash into the damn mountain
Have u tried the "usual" method to bypas it ?
what food is better?
75 str
134 secondary stats?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB1zWEhgrLs footage of what im referencing, its the wod taxis lol
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75 str
just looking at preparing Consumes for next week
and every "BIS" consume is like 10x or 50x the price of the next best thing 🤣
like lvl 3 Enchants are insanely pricy
Anyone had already success with opening a ticket when the wrong lootspec was active 🙈? Looted a 2h 389 weapon 🥲
where did you loot it from?
Weekly hunt
i can't imagine a scenario where their response is anything but "pound sand"
not sure if those are even based on loot spec
same as rares
but not sure tbh
like what you want them to do? reroll it randomly to agi trinket?
So which trinkets are actually worth using, both guides have different info
I think the loot is spec related
Str
yes, but what do you want to be done?
even if str food is 180g and 134 secondary stat is 18g :<
Make it to another piece 😂
World drop items aren't respective to your lootspec
I have similar textures issues the past days. Happy i'm not alone xD
389 from hunt ? Whats your overal ilvl wtf
Wasn’t world drop
Only 373
it was rare, friend got it the other day to. Right?
Titanforging is a thing again
Was from the weekly hunt chest
It just doesn't say it on the item
Real quick one. Is there a way of practicing the “old” dungeons that are due to be in the M+ rotation in Season 1? Feel like I have a grip of the DF ones due to running them on M0 but have never done the older ones before (as a tank)
Opening a ticket won't change anything BTW
orly? Thought that was exclusive to raids only 😮
GMs don't away items
Never was
Check yt videos or vods from streamers
Thats a new to me, does that happen to all items or only world drops ?
I meant for DF. I was it in the loot tables the ultra rares. So m+ end of chest also has the chance then?
No
I know but I tried it and waiting for a nice response to fuck off 😊
other than walking in and doing it on legacy difficulty, no
Only open world stuff will have this
There's weeks worth of waiting for actual ticket and actual problems. Cancel yours.
For me it’s a big problem 😆
I'm only getting 369-379 from rares
So it's more than evident
That non-instanced loot can "titanforge"
just wait until next week, we can cry together xD
Im still rocking 366 wrists and legs
im gonna do 30 m+ next week
359 wrists
hopefully be a lot higher than today
But i sold like 10+ weapons of 272 already
I could get like 1.5ilvl from replacing those with 379s
i got lots of 359 stuff
ye, but so will everyone else. Relative speaking? We're still gonna be tiny haha
363
i have 2x 359 still :<
shh 😦
not everyone will do 30 keys
and only some will go higher than 5-10
Which guide to believe for trinkets? Wowhead or Icy
not necessarily. your ilvl will be capped by how high of keys you're running tbh. we won't have unlimited valor
but i have different chest on
for one, and not green boots
thats an old snapshot now
This
Which is why I'm going semi ham rn
Any kind of ilvl I can get now will let get to higher keys quicker week1
U got 376 for renown with expedition
I have fuckall renown
But Nom is your tank doing the same?
How much do I need for those
12 i think
Ya im like 8
:squint:
I will play with more groups than just 5tank
But I won't be pugging

am i missing something with alchemy or is realy the only way to gain most of your levels from hoping the experiment station doesn't explode on you every time you try it
sadge
Im just hapily rocking my double harvesting
It's something I've thought about for a while but since you brought it up, i'll just ask.
Who do you think gear matters the most for? People like yourself who is really pushing the class to its limit and where frankly, gear/talents feels more like a bonus for you.
Versus the regular andys doing his vault week.
Doesn't the later benefit more from gear?
still have 343 hands and belt
im 90 cooking 100 fishing 100 mining/herb still havent fished the recipes bottle
Gear solves alot of issues for regular andys
rings too
Are people actualy making money with crafting profs now ? Arent people doing orders for free just for skills ??
i just paid my sub with gold and have enough gold for 6 months
It's just that capable players get more bang for their buck
Both benefit equally from ilvl
that stopped a while ago. The people who got maxed specialsations with 100 skill able to craft rank 5 items? They take 5-25k per craft depending on item and they have somewhat a monopoly
okok, fair enough 😄
why is Sustained Strength better than Waking stats on chest enchant? 🤔
77str+210stam vs
105 of all primary stats 🤔
i need a few more chaos, if i want to buy one of those 80 chaose piecs say
like a weapon
i got a 372 shield, so i figure the hearth one, or a weapon
I would personally recommend waking
ye more str i guess
whats the issue about the cannons, for a lack of a better term boss 1 nokhud
@strong forum btw , is there any info on how high does those world content drops go? Or will go with our higher ilvl.
i heard they are bugging out
Nothing concrete
i think at this point it's just about proven that they cap at a base of 379 before "whateverforging" they want to call it
Kill the mobs that spawn during boss fight, always
but beyond that i don't think we know
i plan to run it on mythic in a little bit
Send the cannon when the boss Is casting eruption
with current prices, buying all my consumes (20 of each phial/food/rune) would cost 230k gold 😄
includes 1 of each enchant
and just 1 gem
i can't recall whom, but someone told me the cannons weren't working
I use speed
they are
Has more practicality
if a sabatour gets through they dont do something to them
this is why i choose alchemy 😄
Neither are impactful
you cant make gems with alchemy 😉
Just because you're a tank doesn't mean you should go stamina
dont tell me what I can or can't do 😭
Getting more speed has actual practical use in raid and m+
Getting 0.1% stam doesnt
Or however much it is
what about speed vs leech
oh, i put speed on the enchant
Then you want speed or avoidance
need new enchants anyways for a couple pieces
Same goes for vdh
what about Leech vs Avoidance? isnt that a choice on one of the enchants?
according to dk friend they want mastery all of the mastery
oh i thought Avoidance was good for AOE
leech better in m+ cause of aoe?
Yes
so basically Str > Secondary stats > Leech > Avoidance > Speed > Stam
If we go by enchants, yes
The only time
You will choose between stam and X on normal gear, is trinket
And stamina trinkets are hard banned
ye but you also chose between stam / str and x when comparing diff ilvl 😉
Ilvl wins
which is top question always asked in here when vault drops
"is this better than my 10 ilvl lower item"
That's opportunity cost
Not just "yeah it's an ilvl gain"
Gotta weigh your options
tru
That being said
For ultra early mythic prog when undergeard
Stamina enchants, such as fierce armor kit and boot enchant
Can prove beneficial
meaning mythic raid or m+?
raid
ye ok, im not raiding as tank this season
well if i planned on pushing keys
id spam 20s until i couldnt get passible upgrades anymore
well probably not 20s on week 1
my goal is 20s
week 1?
ye
I forgot the name but isn't there one, that's a copy of the morsel from plaguefall but that has str and a stamina proc instead. Still banned?
only dung i feel a little scared of are Court of Stars and Burial Ground
never done any of those
stamina trinkets are banned
because they always also come with dogshit effects
yeah okay so
getting stamina enchant on boots + legs
is barely over 1% stamina
hardly worth being outed as "trolling" if you dont pick them
What about burgeoning seed from leymor in azure
i ate some sta food, and im pandaren, and i went from 329k hp to 333k hp 🤣
barely useful
banned
haha, okok 😄
329k hp to 338k hp with 270 stam from food 🤦
I kinda liked the idea of that trinket. Felt like blizz acknowledged how bad pure stam trinkets are but still tried to make one for tanks. I applaud the effort i suppose.
you get 179 stam total from those enchants
pandaren OP with this new shit ❤️
Dang, that's hot.
i will now always have well fed even if we wipe on boss ❤️
where haste?
oh wait
burgeoning seed has str
yes, thats why i asked 😄
damn... wtf
so lets say you always get lucky procs
you get +130k hp and + 10% vers every 2 minutes
but its only 30 sec cooldown for 12s uptime, do you really need max stacks? What if you push it on cd?
its 2 ppm
so on average youll get 1 stack every 30seconds
meaning 430 vers for 12sec and 26k absorb
not great no
So which trinkets are actually the best? both guides say different things. i got a couple of them from m0 now and wanna know whcih i should use
hoof is just insane but thats just my feelcraft
dragon gem games, trample thingy, blazebinder
whelp shell, tentacle thingy, signoll flare
theyre all pretty alright
pick whichever you like best of those
i got trample, ruby whelp, blazebinder, Game Equipment, Ritual shell, Shark tooth
I have all those from m0, was real lucky xD
i myself am running ruby whelp and signoll flare rn
I simmed it and sims want me to use double on use, hoof and gem games. Is that accurate? And if so, which one do you buff?
Which mode for the whelp?
but hoof gives a huge str proc that buffs everything and gem games needs its onuse attack to be buffed.
as if youd need a healer for the tank
you get a healer for the dps
not for the tank
let the whelp heal the dps
hoof for CDs, dragon gem outside of CDs
ohh, cool tyvm 😄
but id not worry about trinket rn for m0s
ill run signoll flare + RDM/whelp probably in m+
i kinda like mutated scales + hoof. and its only a 280 dps difference so not like it matters
1 passive + 1 on use plays better anyway
both those trinkets seem to average 5% total dps EACH.
What the heck is gem games
a trinket that shoots balls
Ah Dragon game equipment
i gotta say i will hate it if i get a giga football trinket from vault
not sure where the gem is coming from
but dmg is bonkers
my poor english i suspect xD
i swear ruby whelp is undersimming
How do you set the ruby whelp? i summoned him but he just fell asleep and despawned
he has a low proc rate
you target an enemy, then use the trinket
then the welp is in attack mode
itll proc every now and again and do some dmg
it dropped but i think the evoker got traded it
Ah right fair
y'll doing those trial of flood / elements btw? Heard about it today 😒
Lots of trinkets seem off on the sim. If you want to show off a big sim number just sim with the tree splinter, it seems like the self damage and shield count as damage
yeah that trinket is troll
Armor spikes was terrible right
doesnt seem too hot
wait.. You can put 2 points into capstone for avatar? How? 😮
I am now. Did a double take when the picture says 1/1 :x
So armor spikes are a no go? 😦
All the embellishments seem minor
yes
none of the embellishments will do more than 1% kinda stuff
theyre all very minor effects
even the special embellisments
I think the best addon isn't even counted as an embellishment... and alchemical food pocket
I guess people are using it as a way to get rid of low ilvl gear? I think thats what i might do
I just want a nice 3 socket neck to upgrade and keep with me forever and ever, with a fancy empower gems bonus on it
Are any of the voti trinkets particularly notable for us?
I looked at the pins but there's nothing about them there
Nice procced my crafted shield to 4stars
we need a pin for trusted blacksmiths
man full speed enchants sure feel nice
It's localized to only your server, so that's not particularly useful
considering there's at least like, 4 servers
tru
Sophic Devotion or Wafting Devotion for M+?
frozen or sophic,
lariat is considered the best embellishment
frozen wafting or sophic are all very very close to each other in sims with max gear, frozen devotion gets better the worse your gear
and frozen takes the absolute lead in aoe
huh
apparently sophic is better now for me in aoe :susge:
this any good?
I must be the luckiest guy with trinkets rn. Its all i get dropping lol
meh 😦
I got a 372-379 shield, 1 handers and 2 2handers
I'm literally warriored up
ya my dps is pretty big 
I need to investigate
watch what your group is doing when you attempt to walk past mobs, 9/10 someone will ninja with their booty
Watch others groups play
assume that nobody will kick or stun
so you use your own ones
use your offensive CDs on CD
and use your defensive CDs often even if you dont need them
dont sit on CDs to wait for a better day
doing nokhud was very good idea indeed, completed my paintings quest and i got shoulders, neck and legs
4 ilvls from one dungeon
this is the big one
Have you guys figured out the best embelishments and crafter gear yet?
neck + X
what are other good mythics to run, i did nokhud and life pools so far
gotta go somewhere there is a ring
halls of inf has a vers/hast ring
anyone on sargeras that can craft ?
Now that BrV is nerfed. What do I play?
For now the assumption is that the BV nerf has no say in the matter which of the talents you play, BrV will likely still win in actual content.
FbV is solid in lower keys, but the higher you i think BrV will win.
BrV = Brutal Vitality; IP = Ignore Pain; FbV = Fueled by Violence
Which Embellishments should i use/Spark should i craft on?
1st of all, the power target for Embellishments seems to be around 1% power gain over having none at all, so theyre not that important to have the ABSOLUTE best one.
"Elemental Lariat" Necklace, is 30% uptime on 2.5-3% secondary stats, averages out to 1%.
"Infurious Helmet of Vengeance" is around 1% dps.
"Armor Spikes" is around 1% dps.
"Unstable Frostfire Belt" is solid dps and can proc the Raid Rings.
"Allied Wrists of Companionship" 100% uptime on 1% vers, super solid.
__"Fang Adornements"__is around 1% dps.
"Frostfire Legguards of Preparation" are bait, you only get the benefit of ~8-10% haste for 10seconds on pull in m+. Useless outside of fresh pulls, cant recommend.
❗ Rest is TBD. ❗
Are crafting orders not region wide?
i think crafting orders are server wide
Also sorry for the dumb question nom the “gains” you’re talking about is comparing no embellishments vs the best or comparing between the embellishments
is armor spikes going to be in that pinned comment, is it any good
im comparing no embellishment vs embellishment
Ohhh interesting thanks
Well minor when compared to BIS
But like slapping a bis item in when you have a shit one is pretty nice
spikes must have internal cooldown or low chance to stop it from being OP
What wep enchant do we go for? Im thinking the haste one.
Frozen devo no?
from what i've read it's extremely low, which is why the spikes feels so underwhelming
sophic or frozen
likely sophic though once we get gear
^
since frozen doesnt scale as well
the lower your gear, the better frozen is
Frozen writ or frozen devo? They are different
which is a bummer because at least frozen seems cool
frozen is better in ST
more fun than straight mainstat proc
sophic is better in aoe
Wait, we are talking about doing for Sophic devo right?
Thanks for pinning this to allow for more 
i also wouldnt be upset if blizzard made equivalent enchants that are like fire air and earth versions of frozen just to at least give some personalization to it
exact same procs and numbers but just visually different
missed opportunity imo
@strong forum How come Frozen Devo is better than Sophic Devo for ST? Shouldn't it be the other way around?
Damage is increased when hitting more targets.
That's what I was gonna ask
"split between targets"
but, stuff like revenge and TC will benefit a lot from STR
Hmm, that is true.
That seems like the biggest jbait ever in the history of wow!
what the "damage is increased for each enemy" means, is it increases by 25% for each additional enemy
so frozen does only 2x its damage on aoe compared to ST
when sophic continues to scale
Let's add something what implies it scales when hitting more targets. Yet, it doesn't kekw
most aoe things got really lame since the cap was implemented
all of the "up to 5 targets" items imo got way more boring
thats just a cop out to stop people from feeling bad
yes
all of the "up to 5 targets" thing is the "does 25% more for each target"
Well probably just grab mainstat and roll it.
but it also splits
yep, effective but boring AF
Since mainstat increases everything
yes
Interesting to see the logic behind blizzard for this.
blizzard just needs to find ways to make the stat based enchants better if you're a less involved player but the "fun" ones better if you play better, like frontal cone or something that at least requires positioning, etc
otherwise the basic boring stat ones will always win
as we've seen since BFA at this point
give me a reason to pick the one that "freezes" enemies
and again, target caps are a big problem, one of my favorite trinkets in Legion was the one from the Coven Diima's
fat armor proc, caused a slow, and did BIG damage if you pulled big
on a short CD
armor spikes did 1.1% of my damage in the dungeon i just ran, 52 hits overall. it was just a random heroic i was speed running
they just buffed armor spikes
anecdotal , just testing it though
i got 25 procs in 3.5minutes
Armor Spikes is one of those min-max situations. You should always be running some variation of it regardless of how little it does just as its a passive and a just because type of thing in my opinion
so it went from 1% to 1.2%?
I am also passive
I only have one spark, so im assuming you guys used yours on the neck already ?
kinda stonks
armor spikes is the helm or smth you add to any items?
it's on my shield
you can add it to any item
its not an item specific thing like lariat necklace of helmet of vengeance
keep in mind this is ST
the more important part is the dps it did
yeah that's nuts on ST
so... verdict?
verdict is
wait until we have more info
neck cant be crafted yet, helmet cant be crafted yet i think, bronze wrappings cant be crafted yet
im still HODLing my crafts, both matrix and spark. will probably do them tuesday
no reason to hold matrixes
wanna see what upgrades i get
i mean
its either gonna be chest or pants
382s are gonna get replaced fast
there are patrolling whelps
in the dungeon
dont touch them
or step into the circle
so it wakes up the entire hallway
if you do get into the circle, stun and kill them super quickly
otherwise you get super aids mobs to fight
well, i got that ring i wanted lol
can't wait to go into +10 and upward and ppl still fucking up those whelps
very glad ill never pug
do you have a team?
nah
some of us fly solo in M+
so, i've seen the ring around them
its i can't go in that ring at any point, ot when it ends
so is like the smoke from work shop a bit?
azure vault @frozen thunder
have to maze through
its just a circle aura thing, on the ground
or mark it with a skull , storm bolt it and kill it
but kinda pointless because it's very easy to just...run around it
ill watcwh a video on it later
Is there a guide on how and what to use my sparks on?
How: craft order, just open it you'll figure it out
Heya, I was doing Ruby Life Pools today and the last boss just obliterated my party. I think Stormslam was kicking my ass, are there tips to rotate the cooldowns for it? I was told that our Druid healer couldn't do anything about it apparently.
Get dispelled
lmao get dispelled
Ah...
Your healer didn't dispel you
how is Irideus Fragment?
healers this expac man
Irideous is awful
dark iron racial
making the switch soon i think from orc just for a self cleanse smh
It counts every single button press to reduce a stack of its buff
Can any healer just dispell Stormslam? (I have no clue how healer works)
So ignore pain, battle shout, taunt, heroic throw
Stormslash leaves a debuff on you, making the next one deal 100% or 150% increased dmg
yes, its a magic debuff
I think you can reflect it
Can't
Aah okay, ty for that eye-opening information 😂
Idk kept being blamed: "Tank just dies fast".
probably the healer was someones girlfriend
the healer was someones wife
If i want to sim for m+? Its patchwerk, 5 targets, 3 min?
1 target 3 min with bloodlust
5 targets 1-1.5min (up to you) without bl
10 targets 1.5min without bl
Then draw your own conclusion
ohh, okok. ty 😄
What kind of difference can I expect going from dps to tank in mythic plus? S4 was my first time doing mythic plus and I did it as as Ret pally. Got to 2159 b4 I got bored
Tanks have alot more responsibility
People will flame you alot
You need a thick skin
or ironfur
Or will sing your praises and try to hit you up for your bnet
Pugs tend to be very harsh towards average tanks
but yeah, you get to control the pace of the dungeon, one thing I learned about pugging as a tank is that every DPS has played with multiple tanks, and has seen a bunch of routes, and will flame you for not taking what they see is the "perfect route"
but the route you take, is the one that is best for you
You'll have alot more pressure on yourself to perform in keys unless you don't give 2 single shits
Luckily tanks are super strong right now
So even if things don't play out too well you will be fine
what does this mean, "Crafting order failed, please try again later " , when ordering an order .....
You'll be the last raid boss left standing
Its hard being tank, fine balance between not giving a shit and being able to self critique to improve. But yeh, generally have thick skin, aim to find consistent team members and pugging gets a lot better the higher you get.
Did they request a certain tier and you try to craft below it?
noice
I already feel like this, but mostly because I always run very defensively. Like I've got two trinkets that shield me right now
it's nice when you get praise for soloing the bosses from 30% because everybody else died
Talk about boss level dps lol.
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/s2HkeHfTnAPdWobNDnGv5U
@strong forum my sims all say the same topgear, so that means I should trust it?
dont trust that
it feels pretty accurate towards what I pull in dungeons for 10 targets.
Spicy shield bro, gz 😄
christmas came early
Rip no crit
ohh, yeh, gotta recraft it now 😛
begone
nah, more dps and soon 30% parry, thats tastey.
crit is power
is that food thing not the embelishment
Shit, i cant say anything, i crafted mine with haste/versa too, just out of habit xD
Lol
it is, but it doesnt count as Embellish unique 😉
i didn't make a shield; i made a helm to replace my like 350 helm
Probably make a shield next week, I think
How does the spark shit work. When can i upgrade the shield, next spark? Or do i need to farm the raid praying to rng jesus too?

