Keep the avatar beast fed
#protection
uneven mason
tender cove
I'm also bit bad with planning my outbursts. I often find myself with "woops now it procced" where i could just have held off a bit.
jagged pier
its m0
uneven mason
I don't bother trying to plan them unless I really feel the need for a big number
edgy grail
I mean compared to other tanks it doesn’t feel the same
jagged pier
it is
strong forum
Strong offensive CDs, high SB uptime, higher rage gen than in previous xpacs other than Banner, 10% baseline leech, SB has been buffed by 62.5%
And
With that it's gotten exceedingly easy
tender cove
I don't bother trying to plan them unless I really feel the need for a big numbe...
not so much planning as micro management. Im still new so at times I press IP cuz i know i'll have enough rage coming but that means I procced the outburst when I wouldn't have overcapped and could have set it up better.
uneven mason
I literally feel unkillable but idk why really
Because all tanks are very strong at the moment because blizzard realized that tanking needs to be fun ie you should feel like a tank
ocean bloom
yeah other tanks i feel like i can make a mistake that is hard to recover from prot warr i just press buttons and even if i make a mistake its minor'
strong forum
Bloodsurge, rend, deep wounds and unstoppable force
primal totem
Because all tanks are very strong at the moment because blizzard realized that t...
Thank god. I was worried I would have to do the RUN AWAY strategy in S1 again
strong forum
Plays itself
ocean bloom
like DK, i can end a pack at 0 bone shields and not have DRW up so my next pack is hella scuffed
edgy grail
Feels super easy to get aggro in everything as well
uneven mason
yeah other tanks i feel like i can make a mistake that is hard to recover from p...
You probably have no idea how much of a 180 this from previous expansions
ocean bloom
oh i know, i played prot warr s1 SL
edgy grail
Rotate offensive CDs and shout ezpz
uneven mason
Prot in BFA 8.0 was like walking around surrounded by those angel things in dr who
Don't blink
drifting pewter
On prot do we just use the damage ring from cobalt assembly?
tender cove
And
Just my curiosity, how big is our ability to crit block? Is it significant or just a nice bonus?
fierce field
I'm enjoying both pwar and guardian, but I love the pwar tree so much more. but maybe because my smoothbrain just likes the easy "rotations" so I can focus on the other things like positioning/interrupts/etc.
uneven mason
You don't think about it
strong forum
Because baseline block has gotten massively stronger but critblock didn't
tender cove
it changed when they were put on seperate rolls didnt it? To prevent the 102.x cap?
uneven mason
It's just occasionally you go from tee hee that tickles to just not feeling it
minor sparrow
do we know if BV is still bugged yet?
uneven mason
But block has the same mitigation cap as armor
drifting pewter
I'm enjoying both pwar and guardian, but I love the pwar tree so much more. but...
I think it's widely accepted even among guardian druids that the tree needs better routing, it feels awful atm on a pure routing standpo6
uneven mason
do we know if BV is still bugged yet?
Not worth thinking about tbh
strong forum
it changed when they were put on seperate rolls didnt it? To prevent the 102.x c...
No it changed from SL to DF
tender cove
ohh
drifting pewter
Is it the cobalt assembly dmg ring or the tank one because we already do so much damage?
strong forum
Cuz as I said, our block is now 62.5% stronger, meaning crit blocks provide comparatively less damage reduction
uneven mason
I think it's widely accepted even among guardian druids that the tree needs bett...
Spending 8 points that provide zero benefits to the role, yum
strong forum
Is it the cobalt assembly dmg ring or the tank one because we already do so much...
Dmg ring until you feel like you need the tank ring
drifting pewter
Spending 8 points that provide zero benefits to the role, yum
Ah yes balance druid abilities yummy
drifting pewter
Dmg ring until you feel like you need the tank ring
Makes sense, thanks!
strong forum
You can never have "enough" dmg
If you're not struggling to survive, always push more dmg
fierce field
the best damage mitigation is dead mobs
strong forum
And if you're struggling to survive, consider if youre actually playing properly
If you're playing properly, then consider if your party is fucking up
If your party isn't fucking up, then it's time to consider defensive gear
rotund thicket
is there a "best spark use" list?
strong forum
Neck > maybe helm/shield
It's a huge lists of maybes
Until we have evidence of how everything is working out/hasn't been stealth buffed/nerfed
Cuz for all we know, everything that's been OP on beta, like forgestorm/stormslash, have been omega nerfed from beta to now
Maybe the same happened with neck and helm
Stormslash for example from beta to retail has been absolutely dumpstered, it was like 7% of a vdhs dmg, now its 0.2%
uneven mason
No borrowed power
craggy pilot
how are the proc items like Strike Twice and Forgestorm for us?
plush tendon
Ill only ever consider defensive stuff when I actually go into defensive stance
autumn urchin
can we pin what nomeratur just typed
since the question is asked 100x a day
thts some good info right there
plush tendon
and dont forget about Engi bracers; you can get a flamethrower!
strong forum
how are the proc items like Strike Twice and Forgestorm for us?
Strike twice is free dmg it's good, forgestorm I've not seen any feedback from anybody in here 
fierce field
yeah I'm an engi with engi hat and bracer options too, which also throws some other things into the mix
fierce field
I got forgestorm last night, I haven't had a chance to run anything since to check the numbers, and might be more interesting to see after week 1 of M+
craggy pilot
Strike twice is free dmg it's good, forgestorm I've not seen any feedback from a...
ye ok, im guessing both are free extra dmg, since they have same amount of stats anyway?
plush tendon
I think forgestorm has no secondarys
fierce field
forgestorm has no mainstat
plush tendon
but its kind of pointless anyways
craggy pilot
oh Forgestorm is not in the currenty M+ rotation
plush tendon
cause 372 is the highest you can get it
craggy pilot
Neltharus is next season
strong forum
If forgestorm had Str it would be omega bis for its ilvl
On beta it did 5-8% of my damage
It needs to do like 3.5% to break even with Str
craggy pilot
If forgestorm had Str it would be omega bis for its ilvl
wtf it has no str? 🤣
thats ultra pepega
strong forum
Lots of gimmicky weapons like that do not have mainstat
It's usually rare for a cantrip weapon to have mainstat
Cuz the Proc itself is supposed to make up for it
Atleast pre-SL
quiet crane
Strike twice is free dmg it's good, forgestorm I've not seen any feedback from a...
Forgestorm is disgustingly good
quiet crane
it procs so regularly I can have it upwards of 10%
only issue is the variance. But it’s never been lower then 6
craggy pilot
are these proc weapons properly working in sims?
strong forum
I hope so
quiet crane
and adds so much ST dmg
plush tendon
very cool sword
strong forum
Ya I'd slap frozen devo1 on that thing
craggy pilot
@strong forum do we have any info on Embellishments? is that why you said neck/helm/shield?
cunning cipher
Anyone know why Thunderous Roar can't be used in a macro?
craggy pilot
Anyone know why Thunderous Roar can't be used in a macro?
how does the macro look like?
jagged pier
<@192743144276623360> do we have any info on Embellishments? is that why you sai...
scroll up please
craggy pilot
scroll up please
i did, but he said helm/neck/shield, but nothing about embellishments 🤔 or is it further?
cunning cipher
how does the macro look like?
simple cast macro with avatar/ravager/TR/2min trinket
It casts everything except TR
No GCD issues
cunning cipher
Ah ye nvm I'm dumb
craggy pilot
if you swap them around you will probably cast TR and not Ravager
cunning cipher
Hmm, but it wont cast TR even if Ravager is on CD
craggy pilot
Hmm, but it wont cast TR even if Ravager is on CD
thats how it works with macros
noble lynx
only 25k
craggy pilot
Hmm, but it wont cast TR even if Ravager is on CD
otherwise you could put all your CDs in 1 macro, and just click 1 button forever 😄
jaunty aurora
how are people claiming to be getting of 50k+ dps consecutively... Even sims are placing me at around 20k
craggy pilot
my Fury friend using forgesmash saying its around 3% overall for him 🤔
edgy grail
50k+ is insane damage
craggy pilot
how are people claiming to be getting of 50k+ dps consecutively... Even sims are...
in St or ?
jagged pier
we are talking aoe
craggy pilot
ye i did 40k in dungeon the other day at 371, and i didnt rly press Revenj
edgy grail
What dungeon?
hexed snow
looking at dmg in dungeons are so bad, its all about how long fight and so on.
scenic reef
are stamina + secondary gems troll on prot?
hexed snow
most tank warrior i see running around doing 8-13k st for a longer boss fight in dung
upbeat salmon
how are people claiming to be getting of 50k+ dps consecutively... Even sims are...
when you do academy in 3 pulls you tend to get high dps 🙂
jaunty aurora
when you do academy in 3 pulls you tend to get high dps 🙂
tru
I do ruby in about 3
not including bosses
plush tendon
The first couple of pulls in Uldaman are also pretty good
primal totem
^ Healers hate this one thing...
jaunty aurora
but like top floor pull ?
Only thing to worry about is the self-destruct...
jaunty aurora
^ Healers hate this one thing...
Cries in all DPS wiping cause they can't not standin in giant red circle
odd tree
yea, dps are whats holding back the super pulls. usually loose 1-2 when an entire room is pulled
primal totem
Exactly. Being on the healer / dps side, those mega pulls are annoying.
jaunty aurora
I beg to differ
as a old BM main I much rather my tank do big pulls
I can agree with the heals
but heals does not needa worry about the tank
just the dps
azure light
as a old BM main I much rather my tank do big pulls
the thing is, usually the dungeons don't have this many casters that randomly target + big interupts that cannot go through in almost every pack
if you pull big your whole group gotta be on par, if not ur gonna wipe
jaunty aurora
I think i have wiped maybe two/three times during a big pull and it was mainly my fault for not paying attention to CC sure my dps may wipe but they can run back 🙂
primal totem
That toxic asf
azure light
your claiming to be pulling 20k dps? what ''big'' pulls are u doing?
uneven mason
if you pull big your whole group gotta be on par, if not ur gonna wipe
I mean right now big pulls generally kills the DPS and healer
jaunty aurora
I said my sim was 20k dps
primal totem
lol. Everyone loves running back over and over to deaths.
azure light
I mean right now big pulls generally kills the DPS and healer
yes ik, and thats a problem, cause then shit stops dying
then its better to do smaller pulls that get nuked quicker
uneven mason
Idk I can generally finish it off
primal totem
Exactly, pull realistic. Everyone is target capped on most abiltiies, so these uber pulls don't really do anything faster
azure light
Idk I can generally finish it off
i mean sure, but it takes alot longer
uneven mason
But your not wrong
jaunty aurora
The only mega pull i do is ruby
odd tree
then its better to do smaller pulls that get nuked quicker
depends, lot of variables at play here
jaunty aurora
otherwise im pulling 10-12 a time
azure light
I said my sim was 20k dps
ye but if ur pulling so big as ur claiming there is no way ur dps should be at 20k, when i pull 2-3 packs i go easily 60k, and thats with downtime
azure light
depends, lot of variables at play here
if ur dps players die and it cannot be stopped in a pull its generally a bad thing
primal totem
Honstly, first room in ruby I pull about 1/3, then when littles are dying pull the next third, then next third as one big pull.
jaunty aurora
ye but if ur pulling so big as ur claiming there is no way ur dps should be at 2...
Again I said the sim i ran which was set to ST rated my toon at 20k lol
primal totem
dragging the LTs into the next
azure light
well there is no1 doing 50k as tank on ST
jaunty aurora
and i was questioning some of the people claiming to be getting 100k dps
primal totem
If you just leeroy in you make the whole thing so much harder for no gain
azure light
and i was questioning some of the people claiming to be getting 100k dps
ye but thats on aoe?
primal totem
I have gotten 100k dps peeks in big AOE pulls
jaunty aurora
yea i simmed wrong settings
azure light
yesterday on my druid i pulled 150k dmg oin a big aoe pull
odd tree
if ur dps players die and it cannot be stopped in a pull its generally a bad thi...
just saying, m+ is for pushing keys. see what crazy shit you can do to better optimize a key
jaunty aurora
and when i did right settings on a 3boss + Adds pull i was simming at around 53k
azure light
just saying, m+ is for pushing keys. see what crazy shit you can do to better op...
ofc, and thats my point, if ur dps is dying generally the mobs ur pulling dies slower = timeloss
primal totem
Honestly, this gotta go fast with big pull stuff is really toxic. Its fun sometimes to chad it up, but it rarely helps.
upbeat salmon
Honestly, this gotta go fast with big pull stuff is really toxic. Its fun someti...
it's not a gottagofast thing
it's just double pull
cobalt seal
Testint
primal totem
He wasn't saying a double pull.
azure light
pulling 2 packs is not a big pull though XD
jaunty aurora
Honestly, this gotta go fast with big pull stuff is really toxic. Its fun someti...
The big pulls arn't the chad thing, its when ur raid dies to a boss mechanic and u finish it solo
upbeat salmon
i know
primal totem
He pulls after second boss in ruby in two pulls, thats.. not a double pull
upbeat salmon
the guys i play with can deal with the ruby room
jaunty aurora
He pulls after second boss in ruby in two pulls, thats.. not a double pull
On ruby I pull left two packs, kill them down then go to right two packs
odd tree
same, there's not much that's dangerous atm in those packs
azure light
dh cc broken 😄
primal totem
ATM
odd tree
yes, things will be a bit different next week
upbeat salmon
then you have your 15 Andys that die to trash during a "regular" pull
jaunty aurora
yea if ur raid can't move out of the self-destruct zone on their death thats not a tank issue thats a brain issue
cobalt seal
Much better name
upbeat salmon
i don't think anyone here is being serious about doing ruby in 3 pulls once season starts
cobalt seal
upbeat salmon
you probably could
jaunty aurora
Yea obviously come raid/actual mythic we arn't gonna be doing mega pulls
azure light
i don't think anyone here is being serious about doing ruby in 3 pulls once seas...
not in high keys atleast
upbeat salmon
but your dps will hate you
jaunty aurora
just limit testing atm tbh
upbeat salmon
but like in Neltharus you can solo the trash as prot
actually solo it
takes ages
but it's doable
primal totem
Nelth, the trash is super easy
upbeat salmon
but it's not just super easy
you can solo the trash
and the more you pull
the easier it gets
strong forum
Can solo everything in m0
jaunty aurora
^
strong forum
My group is just cosmetic in m0
upbeat salmon
idk some bosses you might lack damage to survive
sturdy sable
Ive been pulling everything and letting my dps/healer die while i clear out the dungeon
jaunty aurora
The ice boss on halls ive soloed prolly every raid ive done cause team does not know how to LOS
strong forum
@slim zinc
strong forum
idk some bosses you might lack damage to survive
Hell no
sturdy sable
Us? lack damage?
strong forum
I've solod a couple dungeon on +10 on beta
jaunty aurora
dam
upbeat salmon
fair enough
jaunty aurora
5 hours a dung? xd
upbeat salmon
and what ilvl ?
jaunty aurora
nah in timer bro
strong forum
Point stands
cobalt seal
Ilvl was the same for everyone
strong forum
and what ilvl ?
Well 392,you were always scaled to it
cobalt seal
i doubt anyone would expect a tank to solo IN TIME an M+
I can guarantee you a tank can solo a 10
In time
strong forum
With max ilvl, maybe doable
jaunty aurora
rextroy about to solo a +15 in time
upbeat salmon
wat
jaunty aurora
did yall see his latest pally vid
upbeat salmon
what black is this black magic ?
tender cove
For trinkets, I want to be fury/arms loot spec right? There's nothing outside shield worth it for prot spec?
strong forum
Pmuch
tender cove
cool 😄
urban bane
whoa wait you mean rextroy found an unintended effect?
and used it to break the game?
jaunty aurora
xd
urban bane
Cor
jaunty aurora
ik crazy right
orchid torrent
erm stupid question: is it possible to maintain 100% uptime on shield block? and if it is, how?
strong forum
erm stupid question: is it possible to maintain 100% uptime on shield block? and...
You need 3/4 block talents
jaunty aurora
got it from a chest iirc
strong forum
What would u rate this trink
Nothing special, it's 1ppm iirc
So it's literally just a stat stick
mellow quartz
The haste alchemy stone is actually quite interesting
jaunty aurora
nvm im in wrong spec im dumb
mellow quartz
It’s 30% uptime on the str proc
strong forum
How much is the proc
slim dove
How much str
mellow quartz
800 ish I think
strong forum
So literally a stat stick
strong forum
Ya it's still a stat stick
slim dove
Gud if you get cucked on WQs I guess
strong forum
At equal ilvl
quartz ridge
Thoughts on shield of the hearth vs regular crafted shield with armor spikes
mellow quartz
Plus the combat pot reduction
quartz ridge
So sad man i just love the concept of spikes on my shield
jaunty aurora
So sad man i just love the concept of spikes on my shield
so put them on the regular one
jaunty aurora
quartz ridge
Yeah but if armor spikes are shit and hearth embellishment is good why would i make regular
I know its possible
toxic pewter
How is engineering goggles with breath of neltharian for damage. People keep buying that tinker I’m selling but is it any good
quartz ridge
Warlock in my guild has it and it does insane damage and sometimes backfires pretty roughly
toxic pewter
Can fix that backfiring I have the specialization to make that not happen
I’m considering getting it even as tank
quartz ridge
Looks like harsh backfires are back on the menu. However yeah as you said its fixable
toxic pewter
I’m gonna do dps engineering goggles
slim zinc
<@165140327923974144>
Hmm?
tender cove
So sad man i just love the concept of spikes on my shield
Get a real shield, the only shield, the bulwark 😛
cobalt seal
@slim zinc
toxic pewter
Our defensiveness is already so strong makes sense to use dps embellishment perhaps
noble lynx
Get a real shield, the only shield, the bulwark 😛
wall of death forever
jaunty aurora
Get a real shield, the only shield, the bulwark 😛
sound like a chevy commercial
strong forum
Pah lemme Show you a real shield
strong forum
Ghuun mythic
edgy grail
Weird flex but alright
strong forum
Hell yeah 
gaunt oar
Soloable now?
strong forum
Nop
gaunt oar
Bfa content isn’t soloable yet?
upbeat salmon
Ish
strong forum
Ghuun mythic has several mechanics that require minimum 5 people
gaunt oar
Fucky scaling?
upbeat salmon
I couldn't get past first boss dazar because I couldn't kick enough
noble lynx
and jadefire is fine as well just bit zzz to do the maze alone
but grong is just
too much cc
too much dmg
strong forum
Pwar too squishy confirmed
upbeat salmon
Probably 5man him easily
mellow quartz
Pwar too squishy confirmed
In these m0’s my 340 ppal feels tankier than 372 pwar lol
noble lynx
?
noble lynx
In these m0’s my 340 ppal feels tankier than 372 pwar lol
is your gear repaired
grave crane
Are you pressing SB cause at 340 the m0 s felt like a joke
autumn urchin
maybe shield is not equipped
jaunty aurora
In these m0’s my 340 ppal feels tankier than 372 pwar lol
just press the three magic buttons
oak condor
In these m0’s my 340 ppal feels tankier than 372 pwar lol
I was litteraly 312 ilvl when i entered m0 and it was a joke lmao
upbeat salmon
^
obsidian path
Yeah, it's surprisingly easy considering they were supposed to make m+ harder
Is the gap (between m0 and m+) going to be wider ?
hardy snow
it always has been like this
lyric geode
is m 20s the same difficulty as m 20 in 9.2?
toxic pewter
Any engineers considering just making goggles and bracers with first two sparks?
hardy snow
is m 20s the same difficulty as m 20 in 9.2?
no, scaling above 10 is changed
tender cove
With an infinitely scaling system for content, it makes sense to make the entry bar very very low, it should be accessible.
edgy grail
Well the #s changed the difficulty is TBD
mellow quartz
Yeah, it's surprisingly easy considering they were supposed to make m+ harder
M0 dungeons have never been hard lol
edgy grail
Because we have basically every source of borrowed power in the talent trees
modern brook
relative tank power is the highest its been since legion
edgy grail
relative tank power is the highest its been since legion
Yea basically true for every class
modern brook
dungeons are also less punishing to the tank for missed mechanics
edgy grail
Especially for a first patch
hardy snow
Meaning that we wont see any 31-33 lvl keys
we will, not in first season, but we will 🙂
tender cove
dungeons are also less punishing to the tank for missed mechanics
tell that to mr frog that incaps you for a full 20 sec xD
edgy grail
Idk my scrub ass was doing 15s in like 380 gear on beta and it was a breeze
lyric geode
To be honest, I was bored over the overinflated keys
modern brook
tell that to mr frog that incaps you for a full 20 sec xD
ill take that over NW any day
NW single handedly made me quit tanking
edgy grail
Surely with 420 gear the best players can do a 30
tender cove
depends how they scale and tune it.
mellow quartz
Idk my scrub ass was doing 15s in like 380 gear on beta and it was a breeze
The scaling on beta was 392 not 380
tender cove
Not sure how they'll handle it now but usually you have massive class tuning going into mythic week.
tender cove
And then you'll also see how they tune the new dungeons, it might be not just be doable in the current seasons gear.
edgy grail
Yea I’m just dumb I didnt remember the correct number
mellow quartz
There was a 356 ilvl scaling aura for heroic dungeons for a few weeks
lyric geode
To be honest, bosses in DF arent that hard.
They are basically quite tuned down in terms of mechanics
mellow quartz
You met third boss in Temple?
mellow quartz
Temple of the jade serpent
tender cove
There's a few rough bosses even on just m0
mellow quartz
In DF
lyric geode
Ah done it in challenge mode
tender cove
but maybe thats just me lol
lyric geode
quite easy.
mellow quartz
The jade kick puts a 200k+ healing absorb on you lol
edgy grail
It seems like the old dungeons are not tuned the same as the new ones
edgy grail
Just dont take damage?
mellow quartz
When it takes you to 50% hp and leaves a dot it matters
bold linden
Regarding Bosses, how do you Tank magmatusk in neltharius? My group stacked and baited the charges into the wall. Ist there a better way to kill This Boss? Had to move him a Lot bcz of This stacking
edgy grail
Yea I’m just kidding
past lark
Does impending victory go towards the healing absorb
edgy grail
Feels like all the rereleased dungeons need some work
lyric geode
Does impending victory go towards the healing absorb
Yes
Like I said. Meaningless mechanic
past lark
Then if you miss the kick you use impending victory to break the absorb or come very close
lyric geode
WIth plenty of -% damage taken, your healer can heal that whenever he wants.
past lark
It’s not meaningless lmao, that’s a strong word
It’s for sure going to be our hardest dungeon, but everything will be doable
lyric geode
My only concern is Brackenhide because you need someone who can soothe. But it isnt a tank mechanic anyway.
past lark
Feels like all the rereleased dungeons need some work
Idk man Nokhud is damn near perfect
lyric geode
Fortunate for me, I have a hunter and a dudu in my team. So...
shy python
Heyho.
What's BV and FBV?
past lark
I think Nokhud is the most fun i’ve had in a dungeon in years
lyric geode
Brutal Vitality
past lark
Heyho.
What's BV and FBV?
Check the pins
edgy grail
Yea I can agree that one is kinda fun
lyric geode
The most fun to be fair, it is halls of infusion. To bad we wont see this dungeon in s1
bold linden
Heyho.
What's BV and FBV?
Brutal vitality and fueled by violence
pallid quiver
but bv's booming voice :L
mellow quartz
Nokhud is a straight forward dungeon maskerading as an open dungeon.
past lark
Oh I misunderstood the question my bad
mellow quartz
The count requirement for Nokhud is stupid in m+
lyric geode
Nokhud is a straight forward dungeon maskerading as an open dungeon.
I love the dragonriding there. Hate that you cant do pick pulls (in 2, 3 and last boss).
past lark
There is no other dungeon experience where you’re flying all over the map and dropping straight into a pack
modern brook
Regarding Bosses, how do you Tank magmatusk in neltharius? My group stacked and ...
red is boss, green is tank + path, blue is the stack
past lark
Feels like some seal team 6 shit
shy python
Brutal vitality and fueled by violence
Thanks
modern brook
its often
next burrow
sorry may i know why its haste crit now as compared to shadowlands?
bold linden
red is boss, green is tank + path, blue is the stack
Thanks! We'll try This later
lyric geode
My only concern he used painting
past lark
Isn’t it haste vers rn?
next burrow
i was looking at the pins
lyric geode
I am more inclined to haste/critical
mellow quartz
Haste crit/vers mastery
lyric geode
I dont know. Survivibility isnt an issue for us. And tank dmg is nice for us too.
Moreover it critical gives parry which synergize with revenge spam
modern brook
1% crit averages to roughly the same damage increase as 1% verse
hardy snow
First haste, then whatever 😄
bold linden
You use strategy in m0’s 😯
May Sound stupid but WE even equip lower itemlvl Gear for longer Fights. Just for a Bit more Training for m+
lyric geode
1% crit averages to roughly the same damage increase as 1% verse
Have you tested it?
modern brook
what math?
lusty tiger
dont we get crit block too?
mellow quartz
May Sound stupid but WE even equip lower itemlvl Gear for longer Fights. Just fo...
No point
modern brook
crit block is from mastery
past lark
Crit is parry chance
lusty tiger
evrything pertaing to it?
modern brook
yup
modern brook
our msatery specifically increases our passive block cahnce (pointlesS) and gives a chance to crit block and some AP
lyric geode
crit block is from mastery
How much block you wanna go anyway.
mellow quartz
Just worry abt getting ilvl and haste. Whatever the next secondary is is 🤷♂️
past lark
Also to bull’s point, 1% crit averages to roughly 1% damage increase
next burrow
do we really know m+ high keys arent gonna slap us?
modern brook
RE: crit=verse over a long enough sample period 1% chance to do 2x damage is functionally a 1% Damage increase over the full sample
past lark
Because if you crit for 100% more damage 1% of the time, that’s a 1% dps increase on average
Lmao jinx
But yeah over a long enough sample
modern brook
crit has higher highs and lower lows
mellow quartz
do we really know m+ high keys arent gonna slap us?
Depends on your definition of ‘high’
modern brook
I'd be surprised if at any point this season tanks are the bottle neck to key progression, tbh
upbeat salmon
Yeah this
past lark
Agreed. And it’s hard to gauge how ready healers are rn because we don’t take damage in m0s
upbeat salmon
Healers are gonna be hurting faster
uneven mason
It's going to be DPS getting chunked by randomly targetting nukes
past lark
That’s true, i think finding a team of good dps is going to be the struggle
modern brook
always is
mellow quartz
There are more specific packs that hurt us than overall general damage tbh.
upbeat salmon
A few things already almost oneshot dps in m0
modern brook
DPS high key the hardest spec to be good at
mellow quartz
Many pulls are whatever but specific pulls do a shit ton of tank damage
past lark
Agreed, DPS hardest spec in high m+
mellow quartz
Try and pull 8 bears in HOV and not kite or use dwarf racial to reset debuff and you will get 1 shot for example.
upbeat salmon
Why would I want to do that though? 🙂
past lark
True but just break the pull up then lol
modern brook
🚤
mellow quartz
True but just break the pull up then lol
Defeats the point then lol
If you do it in 2 pulls you might as well pull something else
Best pull in S1 besides AA tree area is going to be first pull in HOV and pulling everything before the first boss in 1 pull.
past lark
I mean my point is more so that you not being able to take 8 bears to the face isn’t going to be the bottleneck on you timing the key
mellow quartz
I made the comment abt 8 bears to argue against the whole ‘nothing does damage’ people were saying.
uncut ibex
hey guys, whats best way to use our cds for maximum dmg? if we have everything rdy, is it: avatar -> ravager -> roar -> demo shout (with booming voice)?
or just avatar -> ravager -> demo -> roar
upbeat salmon
Yes but you can time keys by doing normal pulls to a pretty high lvl
craggy pilot
is there a way to get Tier from other places than raid? or only through vault?
upbeat salmon
Unless we're talking like 20s first week
mellow quartz
Yes but you can time keys by doing normal pulls to a pretty high lvl
🤷♂️ what is a high level
upbeat salmon
is there a way to get Tier from other places than raid? or only through vault?
6 weeks in from CC
craggy pilot
6 weeks in from CC
oof
so i guess my BS specialization should be based around Tier pieces 🤔
upbeat salmon
🤷♂️ what is a high level
A key lvl that less than 1% of the player pop plays
For me anyway
craggy pilot
specializing in something that might be replaced by a Tier Piece seems kinda dumb ngl
or if we get Tier Pants, can we replace them with Tier Head if we have Crafted BIS Pants fx?
upbeat salmon
Unless you're playing bleeding edge keys doubt you'll need tier super early
modern brook
hey guys, whats best way to use our cds for maximum dmg? if we have everything r...
in multi target: Rav->charge->avatar->demo->clap->roar->clap->shield charge
in a more gritty situation where you have to build the pull
just get avatar and demo out before rav/roar/sc and try and make sure Rav + roar are covered by it for their full durations
craggy pilot
Unless you're playing bleeding edge keys doubt you'll need tier super early
20s should feel way easier with Tier tho
and i dont rly want that scuff feeling of having better items in bag because i Specialized wrong in BS 😦
mellow quartz
More value on ST than aoe but still very minor
craggy pilot
Imo our tier is extremely overrated
lets say i play Arms offspec 🤔
mellow quartz
No clue abt dps specs
hardy snow
btw. is our tier bugged same as BV talent?
mellow quartz
No
modern brook
and i dont rly want that scuff feeling of having better items in bag because i S...
just max out BS problem solved 🙂
craggy pilot
just max out BS problem solved 🙂
even with max BS knowledge points are limited
uncut ibex
just get avatar and demo out before rav/roar/sc and try and make sure Rav + roar...
ok but since roar and demo both last 8 sec wouldnt be ravager -> charge -> avatar -> demo -> roar -> clap better? so we get full demo duration on roar
modern brook
sure 🙂
mellow quartz
I would wanna TC before demo
modern brook
1 global isnt going to make a huge difference
craggy pilot
i rly wanna redo my BS and go into Wrists instead of shield 😄
mellow quartz
For aggro
upbeat salmon
i dont even remember what it does lmao
4%dam/dr for 6sec after revenge, and 4p is 20% of damage goes into IP during the 6 seconds
modern brook
but thats a super reasonable decision
modern brook
For aggro
you have a rav out so idt it should matter but again
1 global wont make a huge difference here
and thats a super reasonable decision
mellow quartz
i rly wanna redo my BS and go into Wrists instead of shield 😄
Many people will have engineering wrists for tinker slots
craggy pilot
Many people will have engineering wrists for tinker slots
can you have Engi wrists if you are not Engi?
mellow quartz
Yes
mellow quartz
Bad BS specialization imo
Have brez’ed a healer numerous times in m0’s already and they are like ‘wtf how’
craggy pilot
Bad BS specialization imo
yea ok hmm that changes things a little
sick sentinel
is battering ram too much over powered to take over thunderlord? thats about only thing i really deviated from on my main "dungeon talents"
modern brook
is battering ram too much over powered to take over thunderlord? thats about onl...
Battering ram is the Attack speed increase right?
craggy pilot
Bad BS specialization imo
and the Engi wrists can have Embellishments?
sick sentinel
battering ram is
craggy pilot
You get them for the tinker slot
yea ok, but if the Embellish wrists from BS is better (gives Vers) then maybe Tinker slot is not so important for Warriors 🤔
modern brook
battering ram is
yeah its good in ST over Tlords
sick sentinel
see, like im probably going to make like, 3 or 4 sub builds
hardy snow
yea ok, but if the Embellish wrists from BS is better (gives Vers) then maybe Ti...
and why would you need tinker slot?
craggy pilot
and why would you need tinker slot?
no clue bro, but @mellow quartz said so
sick sentinel
1 for fort and tyr, and then 1 to 2 to deal with certain dungeons, like tremor totem cosplay spec beserker shout for brackenhide and end of nokhud offensive
im not angry about having to cosplay as a tremor totem, but, lets be real thats what it should say "mobile tremor totem"
modern brook
My bones are telling me the difference between fort and tyr likely wont be worth a talent swap from us, tbh
sick sentinel
no, but you could just focus on a more aoe version of dungeon talents or single target
modern brook
No i understand what you're saying, im just saying i dont think it'll be worth while
I'll take slightly less boss damage to keep CDR on demo
sick sentinel
i think mythic keys are going to be a huge disaster on release
modern brook
ie: the things we take to focus on st would be too much a loss on the rest of the key
not to mention many of the new bosses are not ST fights
sick sentinel
since shit will be hitting for 50% or more of dps hp some random interupt cast
and then, blame game of "you didn't interupt" "i didn't take one because my buiild lets me do more dps than u"
gentle acorn
Are sims working for prot wars?
uneven mason
Imma be kicking dps that aren't specced into kicks
Oh no kick, I has kick 🦵 bye
upbeat salmon
Doubt there's many builds where it would make sense to forgo kick though
But there seems to be a fair few things to kick this season
modern brook
boomies lose a lot for taking it, i know that off hand
but inviting druids is already cringe so
you know what you're getting into
craggy pilot
Imma be kicking dps that aren't specced into kicks
For your +15s or what?
upbeat salmon
Wdym?
modern brook
technically non-demo warlock specs get more damage from running Sayaad > their kick pet
but none of them know that
and demo is the only thing people will play in keys anyways
upbeat salmon
Who said m0
craggy pilot
Who said m0
You're doing m+15?
upbeat salmon
I mean the convo shifted to fiddling with builds depending on Tyr / fort
craggy pilot
There's nothing other out tho
upbeat salmon
Didn't say there was
craggy pilot
Ah might be me who read it as "tonight" lol
upbeat salmon
All good
ocean yoke
It is possible he is from the future, it can't be ruled out
craggy pilot
But as bull said druid don't take interrupt, and i believe one more spec
upbeat salmon
Someone said in jest that we might find dps specs not taking kick because muh dps
fierce field
That makes me so very very sad
craggy pilot
Someone said in jest that we might find dps specs not taking kick because muh dp...
2 specs lose DPS to take kick
It's only fair for them tbh
Blizz needs to fix tho
fierce field
But now healers have the ability to interrupt!
craggy pilot
Druid lose like 5-10%
upbeat salmon
I didn't expect boomies to kick, or did you mean feral?
odd tree
sadly not all heals
sturdy sable
I didn't expect boomies to kick, or did you mean feral?
Boomies have beam
craggy pilot
I didn't expect boomies to kick, or did you mean feral?
I think they all have kick, but even the beam i think is talented now
sturdy sable
Yeah it is
gleaming mica
Boomies have beam
If they take it but it’s a DPS loss
sturdy sable
Cause spending talents on what used to be baseline utilities is real nice
odd tree
happened to every class tho
sturdy sable
If they take it but it’s a DPS loss
Yep i can read nielsens messege which was 4 up from my own
craggy pilot
Cause spending talents on what used to be baseline utilities is real nice
It's good design, because in some raid fights you won't need beam, and can take something else 🤷
strong forum
The thing is
upbeat salmon
On my sv I have to talent the kick, but since I'm grabbing the stuff after anyway it's nbd, which lead to the "how many specs for which it would be reasonable to ditch the kick in favor of more dps"
craggy pilot
The "it used to be baseline" thinking needs to Die out
Big woof +1
strong forum
The tree is the new baseline
People get hung up on this a bit much like "I used to have this for free"
craggy pilot
"oh no i have to spend point on revenge"
strong forum
Classes fundamentally changed
sturdy sable
People get hung up on this a bit much like "I used to have this for free"
Still doesnt mean people like it
strong forum
They don't have to
craggy pilot
New tree is fucking dope as fk
sturdy sable
Just because its how it is doesn't mean we have to agree with it
strong forum
I'm not saying that
sturdy sable
The "it used to be baseline" thinking needs to Die out
^
strong forum
But the complaint "I used to have it for free" is going about it the wrong way
minor helm
He’s specifically pointing out “baseline”
polar raptor
Sorry double posting from UI channel but is there a way to cast multiple things when using a macro modifier? Example, to cast avatar and revenge at same time when pressing shift:
/cast (mod:shift) Avatar; Revenge
/cast (mod:shift) Revenge
sturdy sable
You literally just said so
fierce field
would be nice if interrupts were more in critical path for all classes, but here we are. I feel bad for classes where it's not because it's going to have a negative impact on them from a community perspective getting picked up in M+ pugs.
craggy pilot
would be nice if interrupts were more in critical path for all classes, but here...
That's the only slight issue for the tree yes, and it's only for like 2 classes
upbeat salmon
I'd rather not wipe and lose the % dps
paper coral
Looking through talents, am I crazy for thinking that if I take Thunderous Words, it buffs FBV pretty nicely?
fierce field
When I was leveling up an alt it didn't even click that "oh, i don't have a kick... crap I don't have a kick... where is it?" and I had completely just gone down a different path
strong forum
We play thunderous words at all times anyway
upbeat salmon
Yh but you most likely won't die from that questing
strong forum
Y'all are overhyping that choice node
paper coral
Yeah I didn't know hta, I did my m0 tour last night with sonic boom. lol
sonic boom is hella fun, but I'll switch.
strong forum
Sorry double posting from UI channel but is there a way to cast multiple things ...
Should work just fine since avatar is off gcd
sweet summit
Sorry double posting from UI channel but is there a way to cast multiple things ...
since avatar is off the global cooldown you can just do
/cast [mod:shift]Avatar
/cast [mod:shift]Revenge
strong forum
^
polar raptor
it doesn't seem to be working
paper coral
Is it a good idea to macro avatar?
polar raptor
but I'll keep trying, made macro this morning so maybe I just didn't notice
craggy pilot
since avatar is off the global cooldown you can just do
/cast [mod:shift]Avatar...
I think the revenge needs to be without modifier
strong forum
Is it a good idea to macro avatar?
Not rly
craggy pilot
/cast [mod:shift]Avatar
/cast Revenge
sweet summit
i've never done modifier macros, i just keybind it
strong forum
Doesn't gain you a whole lot
craggy pilot
Try this
sweet summit
but that doesn't do what was asked
strong forum
Same here, I never do modifier macros
sweet summit
that casts revenge if no mod
polar raptor
I currently have this: /cast (mod:shift) Avatar; Revenge
craggy pilot
but that doesn't do what was asked
I think he wanted Revenge, and revenge+ava when shift? No?
sick sentinel
is this trinket worth going after?
paper coral
yeah, i just have it keybound. maybe I delay a second or w/e, but I like to be able to save it for a pull
sick sentinel
im still on world quest shitter trinkets
strong forum
is this trinket worth going after?
Shark owns
sweet summit
I think he wanted Revenge, and revenge+ava when shift? No?
ye that's what i linked
oh nvm i see
oh yeah nah
craggy pilot
Yours does nothing when clicking it without shift
sweet summit
ye
strong forum
Yeah that's the intend
craggy pilot
/cast [mod:shift]Avatar
/cast Revenge
@polar raptor try this
sick sentinel
polar raptor
but from what I was reading yesterday seems people macro avatar like this: charge+avatar->ravager->demo->roar->SC
tender cove
are sims working good? can you trust trinkets?
paper coral
I heard people in here talking about fort and tyr? what are those referring to?
sick sentinel
these are the main 2 i have
sweet summit
are sims working good? can you trust trinkets?
some are not in
notably the shark tooth thing
sick sentinel
and then a 350 cata punch
strong forum
He wants both to be the same keybind
upbeat salmon
I heard people in here talking about fort and tyr? what are those referring to?
If it's worth shifting talents to more St for tyr
tender cove
notably the shark tooth thing
it's pretty bad. never seen it go above 1.8%
craggy pilot
Shark tooth Pog, it looks cool that's all that matters
strong forum
Shark owns
polar raptor
He wants both to be the same keybind
Yeah I use it same bind
sweet summit
it was an example trinket 
craggy pilot
When can we xmog trinkets?
craggy pilot
Yeah I use it same bind
/cast [mod:shift]Avatar
/cast Revenge
pale roost
what trinkets would you recomend for prot?
strong forum
Cuz that's all i can think of when it procs
paper coral
If it's worth shifting talents to more St for tyr
I dont see tyr as a talent. I dont know what tyr is.
sweet summit
I need a WA that does the gura "shaaa" whenever it procs
weebs out
tender cove
I got mammagoth scale today, any good?
pale roost
i mean seing as we are quite tanky we can go dps trinkets right
upbeat salmon
It's for m+ tyrannical and fortified weeks
polar raptor
/cast [mod:shift]Avatar
/cast Revenge
that would just give me what I currently have, I'm trying to have revenge solo with no modifier, or with modifier avatar and revenge
tender cove
I can say though, that blazebinders hoof is just off the charts, almost always doing 5% dps and thats ignoring the 1200 str proc
paper coral
It's for m+ tyrannical and fortified weeks
OH.
craggy pilot
that would just give me what I currently have, I'm trying to have revenge solo w...
Try flip them then
polar raptor
it's not a huge deal to just press same button twice, but just trying to cut down on stuff during my initial "burst"
strong forum
what trinkets would you recomend for prot?
Blazebinder, whetstone, shark, dragon games, mutated tentacle uuuuhm what else
craggy pilot
it's not a huge deal to just press same button twice, but just trying to cut dow...
/cast Revenge
/cast [mod:shift]Avatar
gleaming mica
Yep i can read nielsens messege which was 4 up from my own
Just making sure you could read.
tender cove
Blazebinder, whetstone, shark, dragon games, mutated tentacle uuuuhm what else
is the whelp any good?
strong forum
Idk
It has a super low proc rate even with the correct buff
Need some longer encounters
craggy pilot
@polar raptor
/cast [mod:shift]Avatar; revenge
/cast [mod:shift]Revenge ; revenge
Maybe this
strong forum
Can ultimately just sim trinkets
polar raptor
I'll try, not sure it'll be any different adding the second revenge but we'll see
strong forum
Should so the trick at this stage
spring coyote
how does prot inflict deep wounds?
paper coral
I had DPS jokingly bitching about my aoe DPS in m0s last night. "Bro the tank is beating everybody except the demo lock"
That was fun
polar raptor
thanks for the help
strong forum
how does prot inflict deep wounds?
Devastate/devastator and revenge
spring coyote
ahh thanks
fierce field
I'm really hoping for blaze binder just for the haste. and once I hit 30% without it then figure something else out
craggy pilot
thanks for the help
Did it work.
tender cove
in details, can you select the last entire dungeon? Overall doesn't work unless I reset it before each run?
wicked stream
What is an ideal goal to aim for when it comes to haste %?
craggy pilot
What is an ideal goal to aim for when it comes to haste %?
40
wicked stream
377 ilvl just wanted to check
minor helm
What is an ideal goal to aim for when it comes to haste %?
Whatever sim tells you to run
craggy pilot
Do we know if Creation catalyst can be used on crafted items?
ocean bloom
it cant, i think they confirmed that this week or last week
modern brook
it doesn't seem to be working
if ur testing raw, avatar does not give u enough rage to cast revenge
oh i missed a lot of text oops
hopefully it wasnt resolved 🙂
polar raptor
Did it work.
Sorry I'm at work now will have to check next time I'm on
craggy pilot
Lul
toxic pewter
made engineering goggles with a flame thrower LOL yolo
prot warr flame throwing over here yall
toxic pewter
breath of neltharian tinker yes
polar raptor
if ur testing raw, avatar does not give u enough rage to cast revenge
I tried to insure that I had some going from one pack to another, but probably some of the details I needed to pay more attention to
toxic pewter
gonna test if i can block when flame throwing cuz its a channel
but apparently can do big aoe dam
will post results
tinkers are cool cuz u can swap them out
so worst comes to worse i just use brez
paper coral
gonna test if i can block when flame throwing cuz its a channel
Is that an engineering thing?
toxic pewter
Is that an engineering thing?
yah it is a tinker module that can fit in goggles or bracers called "Breath of Neltharian'
paper coral
yah it is a tinker module that can fit in goggles or bracers called "Breath of N...
I haven't looked into Eng yet. I got my BS to 56 or so and learning how all that works. This new crafting thing is confusing for my boomer brain.
toxic pewter
I haven't looked into Eng yet. I got my BS to 56 or so and learning how all that...
Engineering is legitimately insane imo at least
lots of intracate stuff with the specializations
im still trying to learn it all also
lusty tiger
does TC have a slow built in currently?
toxic pewter
ya 20% by default
paper coral
I like the toys and stuff. I just dont know how to level crafting stuff. I guess orders? I can't imagine that would work for engineering since you need to be engineering to used the stuff so you'd make your own lol
toxic pewter
flamethrower did 61.6k dps on 5 targets (last 6 seconds)
seems pretty powerful I wonder if its capped or uncapped
sturdy sable
61k dps or 61k damage
paper coral
flamethrower did 61.6k dps on 5 targets (last 6 seconds)
I guess you would SB before hitting the tinker?
toxic pewter
yah i am going to test if we can block when using tinker
that is my next test i am using dummies atm
paper coral
I bet SB into shockwave into tinker would be nice.
toxic pewter
it does have a 10 min cooldown though that is main downside but i think all the tinkers do
paper coral
you can probably find out pretty easy by dueling somebody.
toxic pewter
yah true good point
paper coral
grab a rogue and be all "try and hit me from the front while i'm flamethrowing"
toxic pewter
61k dps or 61k damage
61k dps 415k total damage over 6 seconds
you can also move when channeling it
its actually pretty dope
paper coral
Are you slowed?
sturdy sable
61k dps 415k total damage over 6 seconds
Thats pretty legit
paper coral
what the fuck
toxic pewter
ya
its super strong
all dps will be using them
and i figure as tank for now at least why not me too
sturdy sable
Imagine
toxic pewter
can always swap to combat rez
sturdy sable
Need prio damage? Everyone save flame thrower
toxic pewter
and the tinker modules dont get deestroyed
sturdy sable
You wont get 2 casts a fight anyways
toxic pewter
love the system tbh its cool as hell
yah
i mostly m+ personally
so maybe 2-3 casts
in a dungeon
sturdy sable
Oh well still you could pull around them
sturdy sable
I feel like 5 flame throwers would melt a pack
toxic pewter
it legitimatly will
deep plume
thoughts on Alacritous alchemist stone
paper coral
I bet tinker flame would be nice for certain pulls I can think of, where adds have to drop asap
mellow quartz
Can you Block/dodge/parry while channeling it?
toxic pewter
thats my next test
paper coral
Thats what he wants to test
mellow quartz
No matter what I am keeping brez as my tinker slot though.
toxic pewter
fair enough and make sense
this is mostly for fun
lol
carry a flamethrower tinker module with u u can swap them out on the fly
i plan to do that
paper coral
Yeah. i think I might actually go engi and snag it. There were plenty of times when I survived and somebody else died or we wiped except for me
prot warrior is dumb.
radiant locust
Helm and bracers?
toxic pewter
yes
goggles engi only
and bracers anyone can use
gonna be flamethrowin and combat rezzin all day long
sick sentinel
i wonder what bullshit restrictions they added to brez this time
radiant locust
Got also savior or another spec?
lucid pasture
didnt you get banned apb
toxic pewter
? Na
sick sentinel
last time was had to be in melee range and do a 4 second protected cast
toxic pewter
I been here this whole time
sick sentinel
you been playing pwar as well apb?
toxic pewter
yah
sick sentinel
mine is 355
toxic pewter
nice im at 380 equipped
sick sentinel
i don't want to go super hard this expansion
this is the luckiest i've gotten with M0 loot, insane. Didn't stack at all last week but we are stacking this week. DH loot has been dogwater unfortunetly.
toxic pewter
Gentlemen: I can confirm you can block during channeling flame thrower!!!!
lusty tiger
nice im at 380 equipped
wtf
paper coral
nice im at 380 equipped
How ridiculous do you feel? I went from like 340ish to like 364 this week in M0 and I feel like a monster
loud patrol
im stuck at 370
lusty tiger
im reporting apb
loud patrol
boots and pants
toxic pewter
I go hard
lusty tiger
im 363 barely lifting a finger CBA to gear hard yet
sick sentinel
370 here too hoping for a lucky WQ this week to fill pants and hands
toxic pewter
I also made 2.5 million gold so far
paper coral
the fuck
radiant locust
Going for rep grind with wrathion and cobalt assembly boosts ilvl
sick sentinel
I also made 2.5 million gold so far
been selling everything
sick sentinel
Going for rep grind with wrathion and cobalt assembly boosts ilvl
yeah working on this some more tonight, will have my ring tonight too
toxic pewter
Gentlemen: I can confirm you can mitigate attacks during channeling tinker flame thrower!!!!
this is big
sick sentinel
yea makes sense, was debating that or JC
but mining has been fun so far
and lucrative
tall cedar
Guy should i wear ilvl high one even other one stats are better ?
toxic pewter
Whats your other prof?
alchemy but so far havent made much with it
tall cedar
i just came from wotlk and this ilvl system seems a bit weird
loud patrol
severe steeple
i just came from wotlk and this ilvl system seems a bit weird
higher ilvl items have higher strenght, don't look into secondary stats too much
tall cedar
so every time ilvl>stats?
tall cedar
gotcha
severe steeple
you can make an exception for rings but not many ilvls
mellow quartz
Gentlemen: I can confirm you can mitigate attacks during channeling tinker flam...
At a 10min cd it’s what, 6-700 dps?
severe steeple
oh wait whatam i saying
toxic pewter
At a 10min cd it’s what, 6-700 dps?
yah the cd sucks 😦
either way ill prob just end up using brez
radiant locust
And the other tinker?
severe steeple
even with trinkets
trinkets are special and trinket A might outperform trinket B
radiant locust
Not the belt thing anymore?
toxic pewter
nah belt thing is gone now
severe steeple
if you really wanna get into it you might wanna look into simming on raidbots but depending on the content you do it might not me worth the effort
radiant locust
Still trying to learn how the revamp of professions works
And also having a look to those decaying alchemy, it seems to have something interesting in there
tall cedar
@severe steeple so this ruby trinket worse than battle scared?
toxic pewter
y talent battle-scarred veteren n trinket... battle scarred scale... WARE HYPHEN?!!?!
severe steeple
afaik battle scared is not that good
strong forum
scale is pretty meh aswell
severe steeple
but as i said, if you are not going into high content straigh on, who cares
since you said you came from wotlk i don't think you are going straight into +15s etc
toxic pewter
gonna test flame thrower in dungeon see if targets capped or not
dense oak
Hi guys, is the Forgestorm a good weapon for prot warrior?
I have looted it on mythic difficulty
sick sentinel
the boys
mellow quartz
i did +15 on prepatchj
Those are not the same things lol
dense oak
and I dont know if I should replace it (currently I have Seaferer's hatchet)
mellow quartz
A 15 in prepatch with max gear is like a +2 at current ilvl lol
sick sentinel
A 15 in prepatch with max gear is like a +2 at current ilvl lol
no
tall cedar
i took alchemy for decay and engi for tinkeer
radiant locust
i took alchemy for decay and engi for tinkeer
Me too, it seems the standard
sick sentinel
dont udnerstand the tinker, can you only put it in a engineer peice of gear?
toxic pewter
I think the decay situation is not as good as one hoped
somber shell
A 15 in prepatch with max gear is like a +2 at current ilvl lol
this can't possibly be true
Oops didnt see your response 🙂
Sorry
paper coral
i took alchemy for decay and engi for tinkeer
decay?
toxic pewter
The 50% damage reduction to decay negative effects apparently is that little dot that appears every so often when you use decay phial or potion
Not the actual effect on the phial or potion itself
mellow quartz
Oops didnt see your response 🙂
That guy said he did 15s in prepatch and will try to push 20’s next week.
sick sentinel
yh so?
toxic pewter
Will have to see
sick sentinel
just because you cant do it doesnt mean others cant.
toxic pewter
20s in first week seems tough for this xpac to me
oak echo
20s were very difficult in 392 gear with full tier sets
toxic pewter
These dungeons are no joke
mellow quartz
Never said it was impossible. Just impossible for a guy who has never done more than a 15 in pre patch.
somber shell
@sick sentinel totally possible, but +20 DF will be harder than +15 SL
oak echo
for top players
somber shell
*probably
toxic pewter
I don’t see it happening first week
sick sentinel
guess well just have to wait and see i guarante people do 20s in first week tho
toxic pewter
15s maybe but not sure 20s
somber shell
+15 S1 SL was pretty significantly more challenging than subsequent seasons, with S4 and prepatch being the easiest of the expansion
And +20 DF should be harder unless the M+ dungeons abd mechanics themselves are easier, but I haven't heard that to be the case
sick sentinel
i think +15 was to easy anyway for the gear you received from it. it made doing heroic raid pointless
mellow quartz
We are around 40-50 ilvls below max. If you play enough week 1 and are good enough you 100% can do 20’s. Won’t be many people who will though.
copper talon
Where can I find the list of best trinkets guys?
sterile bough
what would be our best trinkets from m+? casue wowhead and icy veins have diffrent opinions
copper talon
somber shell
i think +15 was to easy anyway for the gear you received from it. it made doing ...
The big issue for me was Blizz didn't put enough carrots beyond +15... I like the iLvl scaling now and I think they could do more with other big breakpoints at +22, +25, +27... maybe transmogs titles or other non-power items.
paper coral
What are these phials? wowhead doens't tell me shit.
mellow quartz
New flasks
sick sentinel
+25 is unreachable for 99% of players tho
especially in lfg
i have a 5man team and we struggle to push past that
urban portal
I mean there are definitively going to be people who can do 20s
But it’s defeinitely a good group
And decked out in heroic gear
mellow quartz
People did 20’s at 392 ilvl. Give them 30 more ilvl they can probably do 25’s
paper coral
New flasks
Yeah, I see them, like tepid versatility and icy preservation and shit. I dont know what they do lol
somber shell
I think if there were more rewards beyond 20, more pugs would push to that point
I got up to +23 in S4 on my prot paladin (pugging) and just didn't feel like trying to push any higher
urban portal
In sl 25s we’re luggable but yeah no reason to pug
somber shell
yeah
I mean I watched streamers pugging +26 and the play wasn't perfect, routes weren't crazy
sick sentinel
my guild has 2 tanks, im commited to prot war coz im focusing on m+ im wondering if i can dps as a prot war in raid and not pull aggro?
paper coral
If they're decent, yeah. If I wait a couple seconds even on an open world rare, unless I vastly outgear the other tank they will keep it.
sick sentinel
i will be prot war tho so i have increased aggro
paper coral
We all have good aggro.
sick sentinel
ok sweet
paper coral
And I dont think push to shove prot war has the highest even.
mellow quartz
i will be prot war tho so i have increased aggro
What do you mean increased aggro?
tropic gorge
After 2 years, it looks like I may finally get the tank slot I've been going for in my guild.
mellow quartz
The other tank has the same aggro as you