protection

[cobalt seal]

Spb at 2+ targets

[ionic fern]

ALSO WHY DOES SOUL CLEAVE PUT MULTIPLE FRAILITIES ON ENEMIES WHILE SB ONLY PUTS ONE?!?!

[cobalt seal]

4+ souls

[jagged pier]

👍

[cobalt seal]

Sc in st outside of fiery demise

Or to dump fury

[cobalt seal]

Read talents

[ionic fern]

NO

[cobalt seal]

[ionic fern]

THAT'S WHY DISCORD IS HERE

Don't you know how it works?!?!

[cobalt seal]

They "fixed???" Spb on st

It was weird

It used to give 2 also

On primary target

[ionic fern]

"Oh, SpB in AoE but be sure to spam Cleave before to get Frailities rolling faster".

Wtf is this spec.

I'll just spec out of SpB and Frailities both.
And just spam Cleave.

[neon fossil]

They fixed BV?

[ionic fern]

No

[jaunty aurora]

whats the item that puts sockets on neck

[ionic fern]

No one cares about BV. It's fine.

[neon fossil]

Mine is working

I literally capped out, and damage was increasing my IP

[ionic fern]

@slim zinc help. Answer me.

[ionic fern]

Someone mentioned Violent Outburst causing the BV bug.

[cobalt seal]

No

[ionic fern]

Idk if it's true or not.

Haven't tested yet.

[slim zinc]

How can I help

[ionic fern]

#protection message

[cobalt seal]

Tell him he is boosted

Thats how you help

[ionic fern]

I wish i was boosted.

I just suck as VDH at the lowest level.

[slim zinc]

Soulcrush adds a second stack on main target from Soul cleave, it's just how it is

[ionic fern]

ONLY on main target?

[slim zinc]

yes

If it adds 2 on more targets something is bugged

It used to work with SPB as well but that caused issues with it having a 100 yard application range and not caring about walls 😄

[ionic fern]

Makes sense.

[slim zinc]

But yeah basically in 2+ targets you spend souls on SPB and then dump fury on soul cleave, pretty simple at a basic level

[cobalt seal]

Hmmm

[slim zinc]

Getting the last 10-15% damage makes stuff a lot more degenerate

[cobalt seal]

Mwahi cant even read

[slim zinc]

Hope you like a fixed 32 global opener 😄

[ionic fern]

VALIDATION

[cobalt seal]

Hmmm

Toxic

[ionic fern]

Don't.

[slim zinc]

I hate it as well

[ionic fern]

I actually wanted clarification about the SpB vs SC Fraility mechanic in AoE, that's why i pinged.

[slim zinc]

Yeah

[ionic fern]

So, thank you both.

[slim zinc]

We're hoping they revert the SpB nerf just putting a range cap on it

[soft merlin]

Did i stumble into the wrong discord ?

[slim zinc]

but at this point who knows

[ionic fern]

Yes, we VDH now.

[slim zinc]

apparently we're doing good damage?

[ionic fern]

With the mobility and self heals.

[soft merlin]

Why would that be

[ionic fern]

????

[slim zinc]

Yeah

Like that's the streamer and reddit take

[fathom goblet]

who pulls bigger dps vdh or prot war ?

[slim zinc]

VDH does giga damage and need nerfs

[ionic fern]

What.

[cobalt seal]

B3ar

[ionic fern]

Those are some wild takes.

[slim zinc]

meanwhile I'm sitting here like

[ionic fern]

😂

[slim zinc]

where damage

[ionic fern]

Have they seen other tanks damage or...

[cobalt seal]

Thats how daily basis

[jaunty aurora]

it has been done

[cobalt seal]

Comparing vdh dmg to pwar

Like every 3h

[soft merlin]

You can do 25-30k average a dungeon with big pulls. So idk what vdh is at but prot is good

[slim zinc]

We're solidly 5th/6th damage and yet we have only gotten nerfs the last 5 passes

[cobalt seal]

We have someone asking dmg vs pwar

[ionic fern]

Thank god, i thought i sucked so badly at VDH because my damage was so much lower than on my warrior.

[topaz crescent]

someone literally said they do more dmg on vdh than they do as havoc 🙃

[cobalt seal]

Depends how much lower

[slim zinc]

That probably just means they are really bad at havoc tbf

[ionic fern]

Toooo much lower. I warrant 50-60% is skill issue tho.

[cobalt seal]

Vdh is doing like 55k on 5 targets

With max dps build

Maybe does a bit more

[strong forum]

At which ilvl

On 4 targets @400 ilvl pwar does 63-67k dps with beta numbers

[fathom goblet]

what

[slim zinc]

I did ~60k in max dps build on vdh at the same point

didn't have perfect DiF play though

Could probably hit 65k if you're Arty

[soft merlin]

For one pull?

[slim zinc]

consistent over several minutes

[soft merlin]

I was hoping you weren’t going to say end dungeon average

[strong forum]

Currently I sim 73k dps on 5 targets over 5 minutes with my 376 pwar I think

[slim zinc]

VDH isn't horrible

[strong forum]

Fully buffed

[slim zinc]

It's just a bit lacking

[cobalt seal]

Arty might get more

[slim zinc]

And they killed any room for skill actually giving output

[cobalt seal]

With full stuff

Aybe it gets to 70

[slim zinc]

Being good but lazy will give you 90% of super tryhard

[loud patrol]

i did all m0s again today got EXACTLY what i got last week

[jaunty aurora]

are u guys talking about DH dps?

[cobalt seal]

Its live

So 375 or so

[jaunty aurora]

yea my m0s this week were trash

only two items out of all of them

[cobalt seal]

Why not do armor stacks

The 2nd week is literally free for everyone

[jaunty aurora]

guildless

[topaz crescent]

my guild has like zero plate dps/healers 😦

[loud patrol]

i still need to replace pants and boots

[cobalt seal]

So?

Who needs dps or healers

[strong forum]

Shame you don't have Sims @cobalt seal :bearpoint:

[jaunty aurora]

people who want to clear reasonably fast

[cobalt seal]

I cant ping toggle here

[ionic fern]

Tbh...AoE APL is..ee..eee...eeeeeee

[blazing condor]

😮

[heavy temple]

How does the cobalt assembly ring to a ring of similar ilvl with better stats?

[strong forum]

Ya i didn't spend alot of effort on it

[heavy temple]

I dont really know how to compare a bunch of stats with the proc

[strong forum]

Just some quick thoughts, could maybe reduce the rage threshold for SS

Which would increase TC usage

But the rest is fine tbh

[cobalt seal]

You can just sim

Because the shield ring is overkill

So im assuming you mean the dps one

[ionic fern]

TC usage was..weird in there.

[neon fossil]

Isn't spark 1 per week? Just curious is we are able to collect another one yet?

[heavy temple]

I had taken the shield one

[cobalt seal]

You can buy the other one also

[heavy temple]

yes ik

[strong forum]

Like I said, could reduce the rage threshold for SS down to like 30 or 20

And it would use TC more often

[ionic fern]

Probably a separate line needed for UF as well.

That was during Avatar.

Etc.

But jeh.

[strong forum]

Move revenge below TC I guess

Oh yeah, it needs to be >=5 for the UF line

It only sends outburst TC on 6+ targets, which is technically correct for the long game

Unless sim says otherwise ofc

[ionic fern]

I will play with the AoE one today out of curiosity. 👀

It will be a PAIN to adjust to fit all fights..e.g dungeon slice/hectic add cleave etc.

[sick marsh]

i saw a guy doing like 80k per pull today on m0 lol

[ionic fern]

But more than likely some fine tuning can be done

[ionic fern]

.L o w.

[sick marsh]

for a prot war?

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[sick marsh]

how can i make more than that bro

[ionic fern]

You can hit 100k. 🤔

[sick marsh]

apart from this rotation

[jaunty aurora]

rare drop

[sick marsh]

do you have the right talent tree build for doing that? lol

i wish i could make that much

[ionic fern]

The "normal" m+ talent build.

[olive ginkgo]

Hello warriors, do you know if alchemist stone is good for prot ? and which one is better in your opinion ?

[ionic fern]

Should be pinned here i think.

[strong forum]

It's meh from what I know

[jovial wedge]

so, how is the nerf feeling?

[ionic fern]

Not feeling anything at all.

[jovial wedge]

that's what I like to hear 😄

[sick marsh]

this one ?

[topaz crescent]

I noticed the pinned builds don't take Barbaric Training, but the wowhead guide does, when is it a good talent to take?

[strong forum]

Literally 0 impact

[jovial wedge]

awesome

[strong forum]

Cuz a) we never did content where you could notice it

b) BV was/is bugged for over a month

[strong forum]

When you get way too much rage to handle

[ionic fern]

Btw, someone mentioned that Outburst IP bugged it.

Not sure tho..i haven't tested it yet.

[strong forum]

Que

[sick marsh]

im doing like 15-20k on pulls T_T how do i get 100k

[strong forum]

Pull bigger

Press CDs

[pallid quiver]

Pull big stonks

[ionic fern]

And play the class properly.

[pallid quiver]

if you're in a pug and your DPS aren't dying, you can pull bigger

[jovial wedge]

press CDs in the right order too

[strong forum]

I can publish the vod from my m0 tour if you like to look at it from my pov

[static aspen]

Its still is isnt it

[pallid quiver]

It's not really being checked that often. It's not that big of a deal and it'll probably hit patch notes when it's fixed

[ionic fern]

It's annoying that it's bugged..but cmon, it's IP.

😒

[pallid quiver]

neither of the options on that node are amazing

They're just neat to haves on the way to stonks

[strong forum]

The combination of tierset + BV was OP

[upbeat salmon]

You're doing 100k trash and the end of the pull?

[strong forum]

Yes it's not that hard

[upbeat salmon]

On beta or live?

[strong forum]

Live

[upbeat salmon]

I mean I can open for 100k, but end of pull it falls off quick with stragglers and whatnot

[ionic fern]

I'd imagine this is how all the DPS'ers react when they go to the class discord saying "Wait, you guys are doing 500k as a mage? Why am i only doing 20k?"

[strong forum]

Why are you looking at a pull per pull basis anyway

That says like nothing

Is it 100k burst on mobs that died in 2 seconds

[upbeat salmon]

Flexing I guess

[strong forum]

Is it 100k overall over a dungeon

Is it 100k peak

Cuz overall is the most comparable thing to look at

And even in these hc and m0 dungeons it's not even a metric

[upbeat salmon]

So what did you mean by doing 100k

I know it's not really a metric

[strong forum]

100k on big pulls before they widdle down

[upbeat salmon]

Right

[strong forum]

Cuz like, you can't maintain 100k

[sick marsh]

do it

[strong forum]

Nobody can

[upbeat salmon]

So yeah, it's not that difficult

[warm plinth]

Thumpathumpathump

[upbeat salmon]

Yes?

[strong forum]

If you saw somebody maintain 100k it's because the mobs died insta

[upbeat salmon]

Nice to see you here Ghash

[minor helm]

Best Warriors in the servers based on leadership,firgurhead,big data collection,and Modesty on the server for this patch so far are : -

1- Bizentein
2-Critcake
2.5 - Revvez
3- Benzai
4- CupCakez
5- Deswind
6- Todu
7- Mr Rox
8- Jakey
9- Erga
10- Maid
11- Unfortunate
12- Epsilonee
13 - Warriorsari
14 - Grams
15 - geegee

[strong forum]

Before it widdled down

[warm plinth]

I am everywhere

[minor helm]

Was a post by a guy named RoninX

[strong forum]

Ah...

Yeah ronin

[minor helm]

He was a menace

[strong forum]

Was special

[warm plinth]

What about uh

[minor helm]

Gave us good inside jokes like crits mango farm, famous woyer benzai

[warm plinth]

Shawruss and his buddy...rainon or something?

They were a treat

[ionic fern]

WAsn't Shawruss the person who went "USE RAVAGER ON MECHA CAUSE YOU PARRY MAGIC MELEES"?

[upbeat salmon]

Tu for claryfying @strong forum

[jaunty aurora]

if ur not out healing ur healer every pull ur doing something wrong 🧌

[warm plinth]

Among other stupid yet arrogant takes

[pearl magnet]

anyone decided what embelishment they are going for?

[ionic fern]

[jaunty aurora]

down to two pieces remaining

[strong forum]

Shaw didn't get banned for misinformation, he had valid takes, he got banned because of the way he presented himself

And picked fights with mods

[warm plinth]

I think it was Sal who ended up banning him

And the other dyde

Dude

[soft merlin]

That tmog is tough to look at

[blazing condor]

I need the homework sheet for 10.0 so i can catch back up

[queen latch]

anyone had issues with shield charge going on cd but not working?

[pallid quiver]

roll face on keyboard, somehow get gear

profit

[jaunty aurora]

xd i threw it together in 5 seconds

[ionic fern]

Not so far.

[jaunty aurora]

its happened to me once or twice usually when i am already close to the person

[fleet hare]

Is the wowhead/pinned M+ prot build 100% aimed for damage or are there ways to squeeze even more?

[terse hollow]

im sure i saw like a shockwave build running around that gets a ot of damage

[deft hazel]

anyone else leave lazy groups that have people always waiting for summon lol

[warm plinth]

nope, it's not that serious

[terse hollow]

nope never just play the game

[fleet hare]

where could I find it?

[terse hollow]

that's what im trying to find again haha

[fleet hare]

😄

[terse hollow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukGKewVMHy8 i think its in this video?

[ionic fern]

It's pretty much "max damage". Shockwave builds don't do more unless it's some irrelevant content (like m0s currently) where everything dies in 2 seconds.

[terse hollow]

can't speak on viability etc but seems fun to mess with

like everyone is saying though the content we currently have available should be trivial at this point

[ionic fern]

m0 was trivial as soon as it came out.

😂

[brittle owl]

hello mwahi

[ionic fern]

Hello.

[brittle owl]

why is the faq living in shadowlands

[terse hollow]

you're not wrong

[brittle owl]

mwahi does have that quality to him

[jovial wedge]

do we know if BV is still bugged?

[terse hollow]

had nothing to confirm its been fixed

not that ive seen anyway

[jovial wedge]

gotcha

[ionic fern]

Yes. Can't you see i'm a clown now.

So i gotta act like one.

[brittle owl]

smh blue man

[fast knot]

Although since reset my Ignore Pain weakaura has been "refreshing" when i don't have any value on it 🤔

[drifting socket]

is BV still bugged?

[fast knot]

But with it full it doesn't

[drifting socket]

since the nerf

[brittle owl]

jc i thought you were @jagged pier

[blazing condor]

jakey impostor

they revoked his stormforged license

[brittle owl]

imagine them having a back and forth

vanilla warrior combat log

[jagged pier]

🤔

[brittle owl]

you've got an identity thief jakey boy

if you give me your social security number i can fix that for you, free of charge

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[brittle owl]

guess you don't want to claim your car's extended warranty either

[jagged pier]

dont have a car

[brittle owl]

doesn't matter

[blazing condor]

come on man reel this in

[brittle owl]

at least let me gift you this free amazon christmas coupon

need a name and zipcode for it though

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[brittle owl]

it's worth 700$ doe

[jagged pier]

$'s dont want no 3rd world country currency thanks

[brittle owl]

well i have this invitation for a new crypto service that does currency exchange at incredible rates

almost like it's free money really

[jagged pier]

XD crypto

[brittle owl]

hey mang, totes legit, totes not a ponzi like all this other shit

[jagged pier]

🤔

[blazing condor]

ponzi isn't even a real word so how could this be a real scam

[brittle owl]

^this guy gets it

[blazing condor]

honestly maelkenar is a trustworthy guy and he really helped me when i was struggling finanically! ($10 has been deposited into your account. Please remove this part of the message before posting it)

[brittle owl]

https://tenor.com/view/im-reliable-as-a-rock-joe-biden-jim-carrey-saturday-night-live-you-can-count-on-me-gif-18999296

[oblique kayak]

do we have any idea on which embelishments to use on weapon/armor?

[strong forum]

As you're limited to 2 embellishments total

It's likely neck + helmet

[oblique kayak]

and which ones? aren’t there 4+ diff types?

[lime granite]

Does ravager snapshot your stats on use?

[brittle owl]

snapshotting hasn't existed for a while now

[lime granite]

Ok cheers

[strong forum]

There's only 1 neck and 1 helmet

You're thinking of the basic embellishments

But some items come with pre-existing ones, that are stronger than the basic ones

[trim bay]

is there a shield charge/charge macro? mouse over etc. i cant get mine to work

[strong forum]

Not recommended to be used

[zealous willow]

any1 knows what is the break item lvl for max world quest rewards?

[trim bay]

ok. should i be shield charging into a pack if its off CD over charge

i find i always charge firstg

[marble cipher]

shield charge can be used in melee range

[trim bay]

yea

[marble cipher]

no need to only use it to actually "charge"

charge + avatar, roar, demo, clap, shield charge, ravager, all that jazz (not necessarily in the right order here)

[jagged pier]

u should never use SC as a charge

thats not its perpose

[crimson furnace]

agree

never, ever

use it as an ability that humiliates your enemies

make them feel useless

send them down 7 lvl's in depression

power!!

[trim bay]

ok sweet. thanks for the reply.

[limpid anchor]

But it’s in the name :<

[errant birch]

BV fixed yet?

[terse hollow]

no

[rapid wigeon]

if i craft eh 384 shield now and want to recraft it later will i need the spark again?

[terse hollow]

no

[oblique kayak]

thx forgot about it - like the shield of hearth i guess

[limpid wave]

Anyone mind clearing up what BV, FBV and IP means?

[patent quiver]

Brutal Vitality, Fueled by Violence, Ignore Pain

[fleet hare]

I'm saving my sparks, don't know if that's a good idea but I assume crafting 384s is worthless in 6 days

[strong forum]

Well you can always upgrade them

[lean gale]

What is worth to craft?

[oblique kayak]

non tier slots

[dry bridge]

is warrior still s teir for mythic+ with the changes to BV?

[cobalt seal]

tiers are stupid

play whatever you enjoy

[limpid anchor]

Dh is s tier

[obsidian path]

Prot is and will always be S tier in our heart

[fleet hare]

at the end of the day they matter, you won't get high keys groups without playing a decent meta class

[limpid anchor]

Pwar f tier

[cobalt seal]

you can pretend they do

[fleet hare]

nobody was running keys with wars in sl unless they were good friends

[cobalt seal]

weren't they?

[limpid anchor]

That’s not true

[fleet hare]

S4?

[cobalt seal]

S4

s3

S2

[limpid anchor]

Who tf didn’t run with a pwar in s4??

[dry bridge]

I enjoy all the tanks so why not play the best one

[limpid anchor]

S1 maybe

[cobalt seal]

then

keep them geared

[obsidian path]

Meta-tier slaves feel cringe to me

[cobalt seal]

and wait for 2 months in

meta

¯_(ツ)_/¯

that's the price of meta

enjoy

Or you can reduce the number of stuff you have to gear

by selecting the one or two tanks you enjoy the most

[obsidian path]

I don't think that tier lists even include "fun"

[dry bridge]

typically people that base their choices purely off what is meta find their "fun" in aspects outside of how a class plays

[grave crane]

Nah it’s probably a or B now. DH are supreme now

[cobalt seal]

????

wtf

are

people

talking

about

VDH

[cobalt seal]

can you guys stop coping on VDH?

like fr

[limpid anchor]

Vdh is busted

Sss tier

[cobalt seal]

at what?

[topaz crescent]

stop trying to get vdh nerfed focus on 🐻 instead

[limpid anchor]

So s that It almost becomes a snake

[tropic gorge]

Lmao yes

[obsidian path]

Yes but I have 4 charges and can transmog a shield

[tropic gorge]

Nerf druids

[obsidian path]

Can't do that as a dh

[topaz crescent]

nerf bear, buff veng, delete havoc 🙂

[cobalt seal]

this person gets it

[jaunty aurora]

https://i.imgur.com/zyK8p9n.png

We #4

[edgy kindle]

Not sure if I should craft Hearth of Defender, been reading the whole discussion, any chance sims are available soon?

[jagged pier]

well in the end u want a shield with out
it looks like as youll want helm and neck

[edgy kindle]

Just checked simulationcraft, I'm dumb, nvm

[cobalt river]

hi guys was the prot warri nerf big or is it still top tier ?

[jagged pier]

dead

[jaunty aurora]

srill S tier

ignore jakey hes strange

Warrior is still top

[deft hazel]

guys why we got this sticks for race when we could have gotten big buff dragon dudes (the guards for example)

[jagged pier]

we arent top thats VDH or bear 🤔

[cobalt river]

perfekt 😄

[jagged pier]

and if u have to ask the question u havnt opened the pins

[near flicker]

We're behind Earth Ele now

[ionic fern]

@cobalt seal see? VDH

[jaunty aurora]

in terms of raid or mythic

[jagged pier]

both

[cobalt seal]

I will murder you

[deft hazel]

purposely made new race puny so we cant have a dragon tank

[jagged pier]

we do less damage than both

and all 3 are just as tanky

[cobalt river]

true i didnt saw the pins 😄

[jaunty aurora]

We arnt meant to be damage dealers???

[jagged pier]

yes

its always been the pwar niche

[jaunty aurora]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/tier-lists/tank-rankings-raids

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/tier-lists/tank-rankings-mythic-plus

[jagged pier]

tier lists

KEKW

[ionic fern]

YEs

GIMME THEm

TIERS LIST

[jagged pier]

means fuck all

[jaunty aurora]

Ok

If you say so

Pessimistic vibes

[ionic fern]

Not pessimistic

.Realistic.

[jaunty aurora]

kek

[ionic fern]

Tier lists are just easy moneygrabs.

[jagged pier]

literally all Blues and yellows here will agree with me

[ionic fern]

In any server tbh.

[jagged pier]

actually all theorycrafter in discord will agree

teir lists are trash

[jaunty aurora]

Im not disagreeing that tier lists are trash

[jagged pier]

then why link them as an example

[jaunty aurora]

but there are also sims backing up that Warrior is deff S tier

[jagged pier]

🤔

we dont have sims

well we do

[limpid anchor]

People still sleeping on bdk

[jaunty aurora]

and if ur using DPS as a means to jude TANKING a raid/mythic

🤔

[jagged pier]

but they a bit funcky

[limpid anchor]

Dps is incredible important

[jagged pier]

thats literally what they do

dps is always into account

KEKW

tanks dont die

[jaunty aurora]

it is important but its not the most important

[jagged pier]

in raid

[strong forum]

If the tier lists were accurate they'd put vdh in A and paladin in S

[ionic fern]

Oh, those are Dratnos and Tettles tier lists.

[strong forum]

[ionic fern]

Those are always the wildest.

[strong forum]

Paladin unironically slept on

[jagged pier]

well even more useless then

we all know what they said the last few seasons

[ionic fern]

Jeah, Prot pala is stupid broken.

😦

[jagged pier]

yep

but slept on

[jaunty aurora]

The amount of anti-copium is insane

[jagged pier]

okay thee do u talk to the theorycrafters often?

[edgy kindle]

Even if we're not OP or tier 1, we'll be in an ok~ish spot right?

[limpid anchor]

Did you play any other tank?

[jagged pier]

becuse me nome and mwahi talk to the all, all the time

[limpid anchor]

Yea totally fine and a good tank

[drifting socket]

@strong forum is the ignore pain bug still present after the nerf to BV?

[edgy kindle]

Nice

[ionic fern]

ANOTHER JAKEY

WHAT IS THIS

[jagged pier]

yer

he needs to change the icon

make them

your blue

[strong forum]

I don't know zanagg

[jaunty aurora]

I don't need to theorize to come to an opinion/conclusion on where I think a class stands in regards to other classes.

[jagged pier]

so then how can u say we are S tier

[ionic fern]

What are you basing your opinion/conclusion on then? 😄

Feelings?

[jaunty aurora]

Yes VDH is really good, and probably on par with warrior if not slightly above, but warrior is still S tier regardless.

[jagged pier]

so u play all the classes?

[limpid anchor]

What, so your opinion forms from tier lists?

[cobalt seal]

@jaunty aurora then stop the cop

[jaunty aurora]

Im basing my opinions based on what im seeing in the game

[jagged pier]

so u dont play all the classes?

[ionic fern]

😂

[jagged pier]

just from what u see?

[jaunty aurora]

I don'

[jagged pier]

so your opinion is invalid then

[jaunty aurora]

I don't have to play all the classes to watch with my own eyes and see

[jagged pier]

because u dont play them all

[jaunty aurora]

lol

?

[topaz crescent]

paladin is a dark horse, some high level tanks seem to rank them #1 even

[jaunty aurora]

sorry but you cant invalidate my OPINION

[limpid anchor]

Ofc

[jaunty aurora]

look up the definition of an opinion

[limpid anchor]

If an opinion is shit it’s shit

[jaunty aurora]

you dont have to agree with it

[ionic fern]

Ofc not.
But we can invalidate you spreading mis-information in a public Discord.

[jaunty aurora]

not asking you to

[strong forum]

M+ testing hasn't happened since the vdh nerf, brm and paladin buffs on beta

[jaunty aurora]

I'm not spreading misinformation?

[jagged pier]

u are tho

[strong forum]

Those "rankings" are based on very out dated information

[jaunty aurora]

Im giving my opinion on class standings

[cobalt seal]

You are

[jagged pier]

no you said we are S tier

[jaunty aurora]

What info am i spreading

Because we are

[jagged pier]

u didnt say in my opinion we are S tiel

[tender cove]

This whole tier thing is so weird to me.. We have what, 5 tank specs. You cant have multiple classes being the best, like what? vdh, bear and warr all "s tier"? Nah...you get ONE pick for the OP one...

[limpid anchor]

@jaunty aurora what stance do the sims use?

[jaunty aurora]

I linked multiple tier lists that back that up

[jagged pier]

OMG

stop please

[high drum]

SS+DEMIGOD TIER: ME

[jagged pier]

tier lists mean nothing

[jaunty aurora]

omg your spreading misformation! don't let people think this class is good! WTF!

[high drum]

bathwater dogfood tier: u

[jagged pier]

99% of them are made by ppl that spent 1 hour on a class

and dont even know how to play it

[viral field]

Pwar giga chad tier tbh

[ionic fern]

Okay, why is Druid b tier?

[high drum]

b for bear

are you stupid?

[jaunty aurora]

^

[tender cove]

xD

[jaunty aurora]

obviously

[ionic fern]

Answer it.

[viral field]

B tier for big dumb

[jaunty aurora]

I'm not going to partake in this silly ass argument anymore its pointless. Im being told im spreading misinformation cause I think prot is S tier in tank ranking... absolute crazy energy

[high drum]

source: stop attacking me

[jaunty aurora]

No

[ionic fern]

Great. Case solved.

[jaunty aurora]

No case to begin with

[ionic fern]

Even better.

[jaunty aurora]

I think warrior is S tier, thats my opinion and im allowed to have it

[cobalt seal]

Now stop the cop

I guess it wasnt closed

[jaunty aurora]

i dont give a shit if you disagree cause guess what thats your opinion and ur allowed to have it as well

thats what makes opinions great!

[cobalt seal]

Your is still shit

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[viral field]

Opinions are f tier

[jagged pier]

but you literally presented it as no an opinion, u didnt say 'in my opinion' then sighted tier lists made by ppl that dont play the classes in the tier lists as evidence

[high drum]

my opinion: fact

[jaunty aurora]

obviously im not a master in the class nor am I claiming that anyone should take my opinion as fact

[ionic fern]

You can have your own OPINIONS, but if you publish them and try to prove them with tier lists then you WILL get backlash.
We are here to provide people ACCURATE information.

[jaunty aurora]

ok and ACCURATLY warrior is in a VERY good position in regards to tanking right now.

[ionic fern]

Yeah, warrior is good. 🙂
Has been for a long time already.

[viral field]

@ionic fern @jagged pier how would y’all rank the tanks, if you had to rank them? Just curious

[jaunty aurora]

me saying I think warrior is S tier is not going to radically change some ones view or sway someones choises in anything

[jagged pier]

in what context

[near flicker]

we are the best shield wielding rage tank, hands down.

[jaunty aurora]

stop acting like it will

[ionic fern]

S Tier:
Paladin,Warrior,Druid,VDH,BDK,BRM

[topaz crescent]

warrior is definitely top 6

[ionic fern]

[jaunty aurora]

Top 3

[tender cove]

You make me want to quit warrior, i dont like playing OP, i like the struggle, I NEED the struggle.

[high drum]

s tier: me playing anything

[topaz crescent]

it's certainly one of the tanks in world of warcraft, thats for sure

[cobalt seal]

Can you actually stop

[viral field]

Like if you absolutely had to pick a single tank to play, which would you pick

[high drum]

why is ur discord account only a month old @jaunty aurora

[strong forum]

Shield tanks > non shield tanks

[jaunty aurora]

Oh shut up

[high drum]

were u a naughty boy

[ionic fern]

Agreed.

[strong forum]

Jakey, just like me, is a 1trick

[ionic fern]

Warrior.

Cause i like warrior.

[strong forum]

We will always play warrior

[high drum]

t34 is best tank

[strong forum]

No matter its power level

[high drum]

tiger a shit

[jaunty aurora]

Remade it to get rid of some very toxic individuals

[cobalt seal]

Take your own advice

[high drum]

pretend i reacted to you with a thinking emoji

because i cannot but i would if i could

[tender cove]

I was like this for a decade but had a moment of weakness going into SL but im back now. Can the community ever forgive such a thing? 😦

[jagged pier]

pwarrior because i enjoy it the most and always played it since vanilla. I dont care what is 'CLASSED' good by tier lists because they mean nothing

[ionic fern]

No.

Filthy casual.

[tender cove]

I figured 😦

[jagged pier]

no

[jaunty aurora]

I main BM hunter anyway

kek

[tender cove]

Explains a lot

[high drum]

HAHA dont care anyway

[ionic fern]

In Sense we trust.
Sense shows us the Prot Warrior way. 🙏

[jaunty aurora]

Yea ok pal 1v1 me right now

[cobalt seal]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-care-didnt-ask-stfu-i-dont-care-gif-25368416

[brittle owl]

take dn

[viral field]

Wasn’t asking for a tier list per say but more of an unbiased opinion on what tank you may actually think might be in a better place performance wise in raids/m+

[ionic fern]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[jaunty aurora]

My BM hunter vs ur prot warrior

[ionic fern]

I LOVE it.

I knew it.

[jaunty aurora]

[jagged pier]

again i dont care, your question was what tank would i choose, i choose prot warrior. dont matter to me what place or performance it is

[tender cove]

ofc bro. I haven't pvp'ed once in 15 years but somehow, i sorta feel like I will destroy you.

[jaunty aurora]

It matters if ur looking to push mythic/raids :/

[jagged pier]

no

[ionic fern]

No.

[jagged pier]

i play prot warrior all last expansion

in mythic raid

[jaunty aurora]

well i guess it depends if ur in a guild or not

[jagged pier]

no issue

[jaunty aurora]

but ur not pugging with bottom of the barrel specs

[viral field]

Ok was just trying to have a conversation on positives and negatives overall

[jagged pier]

and i pug all my m+

[viral field]

Sorry

[jagged pier]

never not invited due to class

[tender cove]

Tanks generally dont have issue with getting groups.

You'd know this if you didnt play hunter

[jaunty aurora]

oh

True

😦

[topaz field]

@jaunty aurora thx for reminding me about the average hunter brain capability and why i wont invite them

[ionic fern]

Lets not get personal. 🙂

[jaunty aurora]

Ill have you know I am a very good raider and have helped pushed many many guilds through mythic in patch

🤓

[viral field]

X

[topaz field]

yes i know you from tv

the insane hunter

[tender cove]

This would be a great moment to just switch topics, just sayin. @jaunty aurora

[high drum]

why did my pvp video get deleted wtf

[jaunty aurora]

Ive also called McConnell a shit transmogger live on twitch so

[cobalt seal]

@ionic fern can we return to a serious vdh convo discord

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[cobalt seal]

Wait i mean pwar*

[ionic fern]

I heard VDH is top tank.

[tender cove]

again?

[ionic fern]

Tankier than druid.

[dawn canyon]

i heard bears can be pink and thus are top tier

[ionic fern]

I had a pug VDH tanking my HC dungeons..and i kid you not..he diddn't fall below 95% of HP.
What is this Blizz..can we fix?!?!?!
@cobalt seal help

[cobalt seal]

I guess he didnt spec into sm

Or his hp wouldnt have moved

[ionic fern]

I run Soul barrier.

Never breaks .

Always 100% hp.

Good tank

[hazy sluice]

Yo twinking in df is like i can ignore the whole campaign ? Cuz i didnt have the Option to skip Like in shadowlands

[cobalt seal]

You have to do the first one

On alts you can ignore

[topaz field]

i have played a lot with a bear recently.. isnt wildfire like crazy overtuned for m+?

[hazy sluice]

Yeah with my main I completed the campaign. Was just a bit confused that my twink didn't get an option to skip. I can fly directly to valdrakken and accept the spark quest and all the other while the starter quest is still uncompleted

[cobalt seal]

@topaz field yes

[jagged pier]

yes they healing a lot

[jaunty aurora]

But that is every tank atm... Ive soloed bosses after a team wipe on mythic plenty of times now never falling below 90-80% ive seen DKs do the same as well

[cobalt seal]

He doesnt understand sarcasm

[lucid pasture]

pov s1 sl

[cobalt seal]

Classic hunter

[viral field]

He was memeing champ

[jaunty aurora]

No its just hard to detect that in text...

[cobalt seal]

Not really lol

[jagged pier]

then u a bad tank i didnt have issues

🤷

[jagged pier]

same with bfa S1

when everyone told me prot bad

[jaunty aurora]

Nylotha was a fun raid

[jagged pier]

when it was omega slept on

[lucid pasture]

i wasnt invited due to me being bad

[jaunty aurora]

🤓

[lucid pasture]

it was just warrior

in general

🤓

[jaunty aurora]

There are pug leaders who will hold ur invite to try and get a better class

been in plenty of them

they do it for tanks and heals too

[jagged pier]

i dunno never got held really had the score

[jaunty aurora]

hell ive already seen people deny evokers heals cause they don't have a good dispell (too long of a CD or whatever)

[cobalt seal]

Stop playing with shit people

[jagged pier]

so got invited

[jagged pier]

THIS

[marsh forge]

Boys need ur help, please report that Draconium Defender cant be requested on work orders >.<

[jaunty aurora]

When ur guildless and mainly pug you dont really have that option to "not play with shit people"

[lucid pasture]

i stopped playing with my "push group"

[sharp night]

evoker dispel literally on the same cd as every other healer

[jaunty aurora]

Just made one a few hgours ago

[tender cove]

Do we know how long WQ will scale because rn? I think its pretty awesome getting gear above what you have.

[lucid pasture]

got like 400-500 score on them in the span of maybe 3 weeks

ezclap

[marsh forge]

blacksmiths can make, but u cannot request it on work orders

[jaunty aurora]

I requested mine

[cobalt seal]

Ofc you do

MAKE YOUR OWN GROUPS

[jaunty aurora]

I mean i guess

[cobalt seal]

Stop being bad

[jaunty aurora]

sorry master

[cobalt seal]

Go run 100 laps on oribos

[jaunty aurora]

oh god

[cobalt seal]

As punishement

[jaunty aurora]

ill be dizzy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3QImwiDg7g

What are the thoughts behind this clip

[jagged pier]

its M0

[ionic fern]

Nothing.

[jagged pier]

and he uses aegis as well

also any tank can do that right now

[ionic fern]

^

[jaunty aurora]

ik but if blizzard sees this....

[sharp night]

any tank except brm*

[jagged pier]

a good brm can

theres just not many of them out there

[cobalt seal]

Well

I actually doubt that

Even a good one

[jagged pier]

what makes this clip even worse

is he has bitter immunity

and double rav

[topaz field]

and a bad haircut

[jaunty aurora]

i dont think he has a haircut

[jaunty aurora]

I mean its working

[jagged pier]

he doesnt use it once

and its also a trash talent

[jaunty aurora]

he spams that trinket tho

[jagged pier]

which is from SL

[minor helm]

[jagged pier]

so yer really is the class

[minor helm]

There’s no way you can link a tier list and then a asmongold clip and that’s not breaking tos

[jaunty aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/cod-mw2-cod-mw2ghost-cod-ghost-ghost-stare-stare-gif-27067874

inb4 classic "oh my god you watch asmongold, the biggest wow streamer? CRINGE"

[ionic fern]

https://tenor.com/view/shhh-shush-quiet-gif-8316632

[minor helm]

Mwahi where the arms buffs

[ionic fern]

Watch who ever you want.

[ionic fern]

Arms is busted already.

[minor helm]

[tender cove]

He's complaining about doing low dps while doing half of what I would do in the same pull xD

[jaunty aurora]

I average around 20-30k DPS for decent sized pulls like 25 mobs

which is probably on the low end

[tender cove]

what? I average 100k on that lol

[jaunty aurora]

yea

im new to warrior ok

my rotation for years has been two buttons

well three

[ionic fern]

Wait..but he's only doing 40-50k?

[tender cove]

My point was that he's complaining about warrior having "low dps" while not being able to play it good. It's funny.
I didn't really care how you play 😛

[ionic fern]

That IS low, especially on a pull that size.

Well, i guess it's Asmon

So ´jeah

[jaunty aurora]

hes too busy spamming the tricket while its on cd

[jaunty aurora]

H o w

[tender cove]

I press my buttons very fast.

[jaunty aurora]

makes sense

are u EU or US

[tender cove]

eu

[jaunty aurora]

ah yea EU servers increase the DPS by 100% just like they do for the economy and wow token compared to US servers

(joke)

[terse monolith]

we playing BV or or FbV now with the nerfs to BV?

[tender cove]

Honestly, i'm above average but i'm also new to warrior and generally speaking? I'm good at playing but I suck at knowledge. So if you want to improve? You should ask the pro's in here. They will tell you the right stuff.

[jaunty aurora]

pins

[jaunty aurora]

#protection message

[terse monolith]

ty

[jaunty aurora]

i think it was a huge mistake to do two weeks of pre-raid

[jagged pier]

they have done this for like the last 4 expansions

[topaz field]

im gonna lvl my b tier tanks

in the meantime

[jaunty aurora]

and ive complained each one xd

[cobalt seal]

Why is that

[jagged pier]

but for the last 3 u have had endless grinds to do to fill your time

now u dont

[ionic fern]

It's chill as hell right now.

[jagged pier]

and i like it

[jaunty aurora]

yep this

[ionic fern]

Literally do w/e you want

[tender cove]

I think the timing is horrendous for the raid and they're skipping heroic week tuning pass to not really clash with christmas. its gonna be funny to watch

[minor helm]

2 extra weeks to not play before raid logging

[tender cove]

Cant argue with the man lol

[agile elbow]

😂

[ionic fern]

Maybe that's what they enjoy.

[jagged pier]

he legit used to play in a closet

so he would know

[ionic fern]

😂

[jaunty aurora]

tbf hes right lol all i have left to do is WQ, ive geared only missing one piece did all the quests all the racings im basically just gold making at this point

and pvping

I could progress my hunter but since switching to warrior I don't find it that enjoyable anymore

[tender cove]

This is the first expo where i'm leveled an alt willingly the first week. Its amazing.

[cobalt seal]

You sure you want to switch?

[jaunty aurora]

No i get you I would have never leveled this warrior had I not finished my hunter week one two days in

[cobalt seal]

Like really sure?

[young rivet]

Yeah I managed to level 3 toons and run all their M0s lol

[jaunty aurora]

yea that was impossible to do in the last three xpacs

well if u wanted to stay ahead that is

plus the flying is just so good

[young rivet]

So glad the WQs didn’t turn into dailies

[jaunty aurora]

they did tho

[cobalt seal]

They didnt

[safe shale]

Well if anyone remembers, beginning of SL felt this way, we all thought it was going to be so alt friendly because we had so much time to work on them

[young rivet]

They did not

They didn’t go through with it

[jaunty aurora]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/many-world-quests-becoming-daily-starting-tomorrow-not-implemented-330315

oh did they go back on it?

[cobalt seal]

You for sure link stuff

Too bad you miss evrry time

[jaunty aurora]

yes i like to source my sources

[topaz field]

SL was always alt friendly i have to give them that

[jaunty aurora]

👍

[cobalt seal]

Too bad they usually bad sources

[jaunty aurora]

No? I mean that change WAS happening I just did not see that they reverted it

the source is good even if its outdated..

[cobalt seal]

Hmmm

[jaunty aurora]

and ive only prosted a total of three source links

so like

calm down bud

[cobalt seal]

And 2 of them were shit and 1 outdated

[jaunty aurora]

ok

[cobalt seal]

So you need to work on your sources

[jaunty aurora]

and you need to work on your interpersonal skills 😄

[jagged pier]

he wont

its cro

[cobalt seal]

Yep

[strong forum]

His skill is literally lack of interpersonal skills

[jagged pier]

^

[cobalt seal]

[slim zinc]

The first test of a good tank is being able to deal with Cro

Shows you are capable of tanking all kinds of annoying mobs

[broken crater]

yea loved the alt friendliness where you had to recraft a legendary, couldnt send soul ash over, had to play covenant campaign again, regain renown...

[cobalt seal]

And pugs

[slim zinc]

I much prefer that raid grind for domination shards and upgrade items

[jagged pier]

yer no thanks

i almost quit because of that

on 1 char

[topaz field]

idk i did legit 1-4 keys per week on my alts and always ended up having the exact same ilvl that my main had towards middle of the season apart from sod where i hadcore raided on my main

[drifting pewter]

Is the engi helm good for us?

[broken crater]

the cov campaign was so dog and tedious to do in s1

technically later too still but at least you could renown skip so you didnt have to do it

[cobalt seal]

Its a helm

[jaunty aurora]

Jakey whats ur ilvl atm? If you dont mind me asking

[broken crater]

and for casual/mid key content shards didnt even matter

[jaunty aurora]

if u want a tinker then sure

like the brez tinker

but imo i think there are better options

especially for ur first spark

[sullen flame]

Is the brez interrupted by taking damage?

[jaunty aurora]

not sure 😮

[broken crater]

likely considering thats how they behaved in the past

[jaunty aurora]

would be a pointless brez it if was

[drifting pewter]

What alternatives do you think are pretty good?

[mint drift]

Wrist should be good, no heavy haste wrist I think, you can use it until mythic final boss

[jaunty aurora]

I went with a shield for my first spark as did many others it seems based on the people in the chat

[jaunty aurora]

ya this too especially if u can get triple socket (unless im thinking of the neck)

[mint drift]

Only neck can be socketed at 3 not?

[cobalt seal]

Any other helm

[jaunty aurora]

i know one of the pieces can be tripple socketeed

cant recall which

prob neck

[mint drift]

Tier helm is higher item tier, so I don’t craft engi helm

Level*

[tender cove]

dont we get another spark today? Or next week?

[severe hatch]

Next week

[jaunty aurora]

Every two weeks iirc

:/

[neon elk]

Do we know ilvl treshold where your rewards scales even higher ?

[broken crater]

no

[jaunty aurora]

nothing but speculation atm no bluepost on it

[worn sand]

what does more aoe damage - thunderclap or revenge

[obtuse thicket]

Noob question. By looking at the wowhead talent section for M+ (wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/talent-builds-pve-tank#mythicplus-build-talent-build) i see that it is recommended to take rend. However, by looking at the rotation section (wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/rotation-cooldowns-pve-tank) i see that talent is not taken into consideration. Moreover, considering it costs 30 rage, is it worth using consdiering i could damp that rage into ignore pain or revenge in aoe situation (plus it fucks my rotation ffs). Finally, all things consdiered would it not be better to spend that talent point into something like impenetrable wall?

[neon elk]

Yea was more curious if u guys got like personal experience, i know one of those tresholds is 360. I can only asume next one is 370, i just dont know if next is 380 or 375, so if there is someone at 375, what rewards do you get ? xd

[strong forum]

During avatar with unstoppable force thunderclap, otherwise revenge

[worn sand]

wb no avatar

[cobalt seal]

(you should press both as much as possible)

[worn sand]

just revenge?

[strong forum]

You talent into blood and thunder + rend at all times, you never need to press rend

[strong forum]

Both

[vapid tundra]

Thunder clap applies rend with talents

[worn sand]

well more so if im max rage and have both available whats the better option

[cobalt seal]

press IP

[tender cove]

Any1 know why the dragonriding WA stopped working today? 😒

[strong forum]

IP into TC

[worn sand]

wb if max ip

[strong forum]

Still IP

[cobalt seal]

press IP

[strong forum]

You don't give 2 shits about IP being maxed

[worn sand]

howcome

[mellow quartz]

In big aoe you wanna TC on CD to spread rend and not have it fall off as well.

[strong forum]

It's your off gcd rage dump

Spend rage, never overcap it

Generate as much as you can

Proper IP usage results into a dps gain

[worn sand]

im guessing to drop avatar as much as possible

[strong forum]

All CDs on CD

[worn sand]

hower does ip usage make a dps gain

[strong forum]

Proper*

[fierce field]

IP feeds the machine, whether it's capped or not. Anger Management, Indomitable, Violent Outburst all they care about is the rage spent.

[strong forum]

^

[worn sand]

what is indomitable and violent outburst

[strong forum]

Talents

[strong forum]

At 375 you get 379s

[mellow quartz]

First step, read your abilities and talents.

Then ask questions.

[static aspen]

Kek

[tender cove]

these electricty prices are fking nuts... They want 780% more compared to last year... Not gonna afford to run my 1200w PSU if this keeps increasing lol

[neon elk]

From quests/weeklies or rares ? Cuz im like 372.5 and i did get 379 from rare already

[strong forum]

Rares

You asked about 375 specifically

[waxen cedar]

you CAN get 382 at 375, but u also still get 379

[mellow quartz]

WQ showing 379 rewards for me atm

Some of them

[strong forum]

Idk when the "breakpoints" happen

[worn sand]

also on st is shield slam stronger than revenge?

[strong forum]

10 times stronger

Maybe 15 times stronger

[jagged pier]

im 375 and i had 359 Q rewards and 379 rare rewards

[strong forum]

Ye blue wqs capped at 363 for me

Ss is your bread and butter as pwar

In ST it's 30% of all of your dmg

Revenge is maybe 3

[mellow quartz]

SS is also you best defensive offensive damage button.

[strong forum]

^

[worn sand]

ok so any general tips for better prot play

[tender cove]

I was below 370 when I got my first 379. I'm now 372 and have 2x 379 wq

[worn sand]

just starting ouut

[strong forum]

Cooldowns on cooldown

SS > tc > revenge

[worn sand]

hows it defensive?

ss even in aoe?

[strong forum]

You gain rage.

Yes.

[mellow quartz]

More rage, more IP, more anger management

SS is by far your biggest rage generator

[worn sand]

cos of the rage gen i guess

[strong forum]

Send IP when you're about to overcap rage and generally when ravager/roar is rolling

To prevent overcapping ragr

Send SS pretty much always on CD unless you know better

[worn sand]

how would i know better

[fierce field]

practice 🙂

[strong forum]

Hah I was expecting that question

[odd tree]

Git gud

[strong forum]

You'll just know when you know

It's that simple

Play and you'll find the situations yourself

[uneven mason]

It also hits harder than revenge up to like 5? Target

[worn sand]

i thought shield slam was st

[strong forum]

It is

[uneven mason]

It is

[strong forum]

But it's just that strong

[uneven mason]

It hits hard

[strong forum]

It generates rage instead of costs rage

And generating > spending

[odd tree]

60k SS crits do work

[strong forum]

Make that 110k with outburst

[uneven mason]

Yeh

Is big slap

[odd tree]

Need to actually look at my logs, what are people averaging in m0 atm?

[uneven mason]

It's m0

[cobalt seal]

m0 dies in 5s

you can't look at logs

[odd tree]

Yea, I know, just curious

[strong forum]

I've been between 35 and like 48k?

[uneven mason]

Like mobs don't even live long enough to cycle seeing Red

[strong forum]

Cuz everything just evaporates

[tender cove]

Speaking of outburst, i sometimes find myself in situation (probably from bad play) where I have an outburst proc, SS is on CD and I dont have enough rage to spam rev to wait for proc. Should i just send it on TC in that scenario?

[strong forum]

Yes

[uneven mason]

Sure

[strong forum]

If you have to hope for a devastator proc, just send it on TC instead

[uneven mason]

Keep it moving don't think

[tender cove]

cool, tyvm 😄

[jagged pier]

move out and charge

[strong forum]

Or that

[tender cove]

ohh, thats clever 😄

[uneven mason]

Because that means you rage starved your self and every second your sitting on a generator off cd is a DPS loss