protection

[warm plinth]

Daily petition to stop calling Brutal Vitality BV because Booming Voice was here first 😠

[pallid quiver]

I mentally tag it as BrV

[mighty valley]

you can put a shield spikes embellishment on the molten defender

[pallid quiver]

Still nerfed as of last check

[warm plinth]

Yes, BrV is what I would call it too.

[pallid quiver]

er, bugged

[marble cipher]

Meh

[mighty valley]

it's bruv lads

[warm plinth]

I see neither of us can brain today Luerce

[pallid quiver]

I can never brain

[warm plinth]

that's true, we did determine that bruv is also acceptable

and funnier

[hushed harbor]

How are y’all gearing past 376? Renown gear? Dragon siege every hour? I’m maxed out on m0 and available 376 world quests.

[loud patrol]

oi lads its bruv ok? cheers

[warm plinth]

cheers guv'na

[proud dock]

gotcha thanks

[warm plinth]

They are doing it by being total degenerates

🙂

[loud patrol]

and i feel proud of it

[warm plinth]

You should

[pallid quiver]

i simply am not

im just hitting m0s, doing the accord weekly kinda stuff

then just like

having fun

[warm plinth]

I'm at 355 and I'm perfectly fine with it

Just leveling alts and shit

[slim dove]

389 neck/cloak from citadel rep, realm hopping for siege pre-fix

[mighty valley]

if going hog wild and super grinding is fun for you, go for it, it's the holiday spirit

[slim dove]

i hit 377 and now im catching up on grass touching

[pallid quiver]

i've done my time in grinding hell

i played maple story pre-big bang

[mighty valley]

but don't trap yourself into thinking you're "not ready" for m+ if you're not at some arbitrary ilvl

[chrome falcon]

i had so much fun this week just doing whatever the fuck i wanted

[slim dove]

disgusting

[warm plinth]

Is it at least summer where you are?

[slim dove]

ly based

[slim dove]

lmao no its -30c outside

[warm plinth]

RIP

[tender cove]

so much this, couldn't agree more. Such a blessing not having to give a fuck about all the grinds, didn't even touch the main campaign.

[chrome falcon]

people ultra grinding siege every hour need to go take some pictures of wildlife

maybe climb some rocks

pick some flowers

[loud patrol]

tf are you in SIberia?

[pallid quiver]

It is sooooooooooo nice not having five hundred systems you need to pump for character power

[chrome falcon]

||get some bitches||

it's funny

[pallid quiver]

that spoiler one ain't me, boss, i got gundam models to build

[chrome falcon]

i'm having a blast doing all this shit

[warm plinth]

well, they did fix that at least

[chrome falcon]

when i know for a fact if i had to do THE EXACT SAME CONTENT

[warm plinth]

Can't grind siege anymore

[chrome falcon]

in order to enter a raid

i would absolutely quit

[sand smelt]

I managed to hit 370 just doing stuff

Not grinding

[tender cove]

Same, 372 for me and only grinded cobalt

[warm plinth]

Yeah I think 370 is pretty attainable without going too hog wild

[mighty valley]

blizzard pointed a gun at our heads and told us we had to do those two torghasts

[hushed harbor]

Yeah I’m 372 now and I feel like that’s about it without poopsocking the rep

[mighty valley]

UNACCEPTABLE time commitment

[sand smelt]

Havent touched this weeks reset yet

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, that's the thing to me is that once it's tied to power and it's like, a chore to have you do

[warm plinth]

But if you don't get to 370 this week (for our EU frands), it's not the end of the world

[sand smelt]

Just need to find a guild needing a tank now

[pallid quiver]

it's suddenly just not fun anymore

I lost my ability to choose to enjoy that content

[tender cove]

ohh shit, its already wednesday, hell yes

[chrome falcon]

i'm getting some custom printed miniatures to paint for christmas 😎

[pallid quiver]

I've already played Dragonflight for longer than I did Shadowlands S1

[warm plinth]

I have a 3d printed baby yoda

He's cute af

[chrome falcon]

100% true and real

[pallid quiver]

... what kinna minis? 40k? DnD?

[loud patrol]

pics or didnt happen

[warm plinth]

I had one that was painted like he was wearing a Santa suit too but I gave it to someone for a christmas present

Lemme find a pic. I'm at work but I should have one in discord

[chrome falcon]

they're heroforge but they're for family members, they're gonna resemble them as much as a 6cm tall piece of plastic can

[pallid quiver]

Oh that's actually really cool, honestly

[slim dove]

alberta canada

[pallid quiver]

Better than anything I'd ever do.

My models are mine and for me alone, dammit, muh robots

[loud patrol]

oh Siberia with money

[sand smelt]

Cold in BC too bro

[chrome falcon]

my painting skills are insanely mediocre but doing anything beyond absolute beginner stuff is like magic to people who don't know about it

dunk a mini in some nuln oil/agrax earthshade and they look at you like you're a magician

[pallid quiver]

Oh, yeah, if you just even mix coats properly, the shading effects are so wild

It just blows the mind of some people

[chrome falcon]

i am some people

[toxic geyser]

What’s the effective CD on shield wall these days with AM and the Wall

[pallid quiver]

I really need to get my airbrush set up at some point once classes wind down, though zzzzzz

I've got like 5 models I need to build and paint but, uh,

[pallid quiver]

Like a minute if you're in sustained fighting

[opal flame]

Stl please?

[pallid quiver]

i dunno, it's up a lot more often than i need it at least

[chrome falcon]

like 90 seconds in combat with decent play and down to a minute if you're perfect probably

depends on SS procs/haste

[warm plinth]

what's stl 👀

[mighty valley]

st louis

[chrome falcon]

the file that 3d printers use to summon minis

[warm plinth]

Oh, sorry I didn't print it

A friend of mine did

If I can get in touch with him I'll get it for you

[opal flame]

The file that tells the printer what to print. Think 3d pdf

[toxic geyser]

Mama Mia, that’s a spicey meatball

[opal flame]

Awesome but no big deal, I don't have a printer either, would have to beg friends to print it for me

[sick sentinel]

okay, finished with the quests

[warm plinth]

well done sir

[mighty valley]

lotta really good side quests this time

dog side quest goat

[pallid quiver]

i haven't hit all the sidequests yet

It's actually on my to do list

meanwhile, i barely remember shit from BFA and SL sidequests

[warm plinth]

that caught me by surprise

what a good doggo

[viral field]

shield good to get crafted right?

[pallid quiver]

i don't think i've done the dog one yet

[sick sentinel]

its easy, doesn't take long

[chrome falcon]

yeti side quest goat

[leaden swallow]

Hello. I struggle to decide about how to spend my last points for a dungeon build. To be short: Warrior tree: One-Handed Weapon Spec, and the two sub-talents for Roar/Shockwave as I assume you want both. I've seen suggestions for 1H+TW, Uproar+TW and RE+SB. I assume this will vary depending on dungeons, pulls etc but are there any recommendations for what will generally be the best?

[sick sentinel]

there is a few chains you have to look up whre to start but besides that chains take maybe 15 minutes

[pallid quiver]

Always a solid option to start with. I'm waiting to see what pieces of gear I need to patch up week 1 before crafting,

[chrome falcon]

1H spec is pretty much non-negotiable right

[pallid quiver]

Though I'll probably still craft a shield

[chrome falcon]

so much value for one point

you don't take sub-talents for shockwave

[pallid quiver]

Are

Are you implying that you're not getting Avatar?

[leaden swallow]

So 1H + TW?

[leaden swallow]

No, Avatar and its sub is locked

[mighty valley]

The standard m+ build is roar + Thunderous Words, take Shockwave but neither of the talents below it

[chrome falcon]

^

[pallid quiver]

^

[leaden swallow]

Thanks a lot!

[pallid quiver]

Also

[viral field]

any embelishments that increase damage? or just throw on the food buff one and call it a day?

[pallid quiver]

Nome should still have a pin with talent builds on there

[pallid quiver]

Armor Spikes is actually a notable amount of damage; can't put extra embellishments on Hearth

since it already has a decent uptime vers proc and all

[bitter sparrow]

it turtle trinket at all decent?

[warm plinth]

Here's a pic of the Santa painted one

[loud patrol]

10/10

[tender cove]

that scholarship ring is just insane 😮

[wary heath]

do i just spam trade for someone that can craft a t5 draconium sword

this is very convoluted

can't use public

[warm plinth]

man that took forever, finally found a pic of the other one lmao

[oblique garnet]

Nice duck

[warm plinth]

🤔

[oblique garnet]

Oh mb is it a goose

[tender cove]

They should introduce tabards for the DF factions so you can earn a little bit of rep from doing dungeons :p

I always liked being able to just grind it out in dungeons.

what is going on with my shield? 😒

its only the shield and nothing else

[loud patrol]

10/10 funky shield

[wary heath]

your graphic card is dying

[loud patrol]

no its not lmao

is a visual bug

[tender cove]

that would be nice, i still have warranty on mine and it doesn't sell anymore and the store is required to replace it with similar cost, i bought mine just before the drop, so that means... hello 4090 😄

[loud patrol]

yeah is dying

[tender cove]

i've had several GPU die on me, its not dying. its just some weird artifact on it, maybe the embel?

[pallid quiver]

It's having trouble loading the texture map for whatever reason

more likely a game file issues, probably

[tender cove]

no idea, it persists after /reload and started i dunno, 10 min ago?

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, like base game files, not just what's loaded

Would do full reboot of the game; if it persists, verify files

[loud patrol]

shhh shhh its dying

go get that 4090

[tender cove]

Maybe thats the issue?

[weary python]

Generally speaking, how many ilevels must an item be if the stats don't have haste on it?

[tender cove]

4 ilvls.

[pallid quiver]

I'd say 0.1, but I ain't a math kid

[tender cove]

Honestly would be sick, i have a broken system disk that needs warranty replacement but im lazy af.

[pallid quiver]

Strength fills into literally everything we do

[warm plinth]

It's punishment for using the basic bitch shield

[leaden river]

what are you guys using your sparks on

[tender cove]

I think ion said in the past they wanted anything higher than 4 ilvls to always be an upgrade regardless of stats, thats why i said it. Have no idea tbh

[tender cove]

i made shield.

[pallid quiver]

Nothing.

I'm waiting until season's actually live to see if there's any gear I need to patch up or anything

If you're just sending, shield's a good bet

[tender cove]

😮 Stop this blasphemy, thats the nicest shield in the entire game, hard facts... Now we cant be friends anymore 😦

[past lark]

Right but i think the question is more like what’s the weight of str vs haste. Because i was comparing a 372 belt vs a 376 belt today and it was line 6 str more. So is 6 str and 186 crit worth more than 184 haste

[urban portal]

Yes

[loud patrol]

im using shield too next week when we get the other spark im making the helm

[past lark]

To which the answer is yes

Always

[oblique garnet]

Its the most boring shield in the game

[past lark]

Sorry lmao i was more answering his question, not asking one my own

[tender cove]

I just wanted to make smt tbh, couldn't hold myself and shield is always safe bet for the block and armor.

[past lark]

Total of stats > bis stats unless it’s a neck or ring that’s close in ilvl

[warm plinth]

I meant nothing by that except that it's a very very common transmog choice for shields XD

[tender cove]

It has history, it has story, it has tradition, IT IS wow...wtf 😦

name a more iconic shield

ill wait

[loud patrol]

get a true shield

[tender cove]

pfft

[past lark]

Aldori Legacy Defender baby

Coolest shield imo

[past lark]

Nvm that’s the best shield

[loud patrol]

ew

[loud patrol]

best shield

[tender cove]

what is even this? I cant imagine something more ugly, is it even a shield?

[oblique garnet]

Worn Turtle Shell iirc

[tender cove]

I dunno, im just salty because I paid a fuckton for the HD copy version of that shield only for transmog. I love it tbh

think it looks so dope with tons of transmog

it has a good shield animation too, it looks big and flashy

[loud patrol]

best

[oblique garnet]

Best transmog change my mind

[past lark]

LMFAO

[loud patrol]

a fish! that what i need for tuskarr

cant believe theres not a bone shield from tuskarr

[jaunty aurora]

[oblique garnet]

Nothing like beating down mobs with fish

[jaunty aurora]

send wowhead outfit link

[oblique garnet]

Id need to go to pc for that

Its the jade set

[lyric valley]

without any outside influences and at the same ilvl, is the helmet of vengeance (that's the helmet everyone is talking about, right?) or a primal molten defender with spikes embel better?
do we know that already?

[slim dove]

helm embellish is better

spikes is actual lmao tier

[tender cove]

That looks really dope tbh, can't lie and the shield fits it extremely well. But just the shield alone? Nah man, i dont agree. Shield vs shield? It loses!! 😛

[lyric valley]

that's a bit disappointing, I wanted to have the proc neck and then have my second embel on my shield and then weapons for arms/fury so I could easily switch

since the helmet embel is probably not useful for dps

[oblique garnet]

Yeah but what set does bulwark actually fit to?

[slim dove]

its 3.5 ppm, roughly 500 dps

[oblique garnet]

It looks out of place on anything that isnt tauren

[tender cove]

Do you remember the garrision farm set? Servers just went down for maint eu so cant login and show you

[wicked plank]

Hello, still trying to understand better my prot warrior. Are we always lining up Demo shout with ravager and dragon roar ?

[tender cove]

I'm currently using the venthyr set because I got bored of it but it fits very well

[wheat stirrup]

does it really matter if we go sabellion or wraithon rep?

[oblique garnet]

No

[tender cove]

I can't remember the name and it might also be alliance specific, as I only changed horde for end of SL.

Iron something. fuck, i'll show you tomorrow @oblique garnet

[oblique garnet]

[tender cove]

Nah, thats not it.

[paper coral]

How long does a 278 RDM last?

[azure light]

[last pebble]

what we usin spark on?

[tender cove]

thats the one

[azure light]

ye thats a TANK

[tender cove]

mmm, and with that bigass shield covering almost entire char and i have a wep for it aswell

but no idea the name, it drops from tbc dungeon, rare heroic drop, almsot entire fire sword

looks dope

[azure light]

just by looking at him u can tell that this guy is perma in battle stance never using fury on defensive, only dmg, he is to strong to even be worried about dying

[tender cove]

See, this guy gets it 😄

[paper coral]

whats FBV?

[dense lance]

It’s there any really good items to use the spark on?

[oblique garnet]

The color is darker than bulwark

[tender cove]

Nitpicking, its a good fit 😦

[paper coral]

nvm i found it

[tender cove]

obvs nothing can really compete with killing people with a fishhead but i think it looks pretty dope with bulwark

[oblique garnet]

Ye probably

[ember prairie]

Someone should add an abbreviation glossary to the pin list (at)mods

[oblique garnet]

Just triggers me personally if it doesnt match the colors

Thats why ive been using same transmog for as long as i can remember

[azure light]

which abbreviation are you wondering about? 😄

[tender cove]

Are you good with transmogs? I've been wanting something new for DF and also something to farm for but I really don wanna give up that shield. I need it for tanking xD

[oblique garnet]

Nah im not the biggest collector

Only really farm like 1 set max and then just stick with it until im done playing

[ember prairie]

Idk I’ve just seen a few people asking about fbv and bv. Noticed them used a lot in the pins. But I’m a noob lol

[oblique garnet]

Fueled by violence and brutal vitality ( Talents )

[oblique garnet]

BV can also mean booming voice but usually in that context it means brutal vitality

[tender cove]

kinda same. That set took forever ever to farm currency for so used it from garrison up to sl and could get the whole venthyr set easy for anima so just bought it. But it feels bit bland and generic.

[oblique garnet]

Worst part was when i changed to dwarf during s4 of sl and had to find new transmog

Had 0 matching shields

[azure light]

does anyone have a list off spells that can be spell reflected? 😄

[tender cove]

ouff ye, dwarfs are hard to transmog for :p

[wicked plank]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vS26lkSc_eaulHX7-UY8Uu-7DAHvkScxh3npd0kQn3uvvWsgsQm9ducLUi4R2mb7ieNluVilyq5sQe5/pubhtml#

[azure light]

👍

found it in pins as i asked, idk why i didnt see it the first time i checked, ty anyways

[oblique garnet]

Its getting the colors to match thats hardest

[tender cove]

Thats advanced level haha... First you gotta find a theme and parts that work together, which is like art and impossible for me. Thats why i just buy entire made sets xD

[pallid quiver]

let's go, i just got to 5

alarm set for me to kamikaze again in another 4 hours

[tender cove]

There's is clinical research that shows if you sleep less than 7 hours contiously every night, you're gonna live considerable shorter. I can't remember the exact % but it was staggering.

[pallid quiver]

the real pain is finding a piece you like, but not having other pieces in a color coordinating set

[oblique garnet]

I used to use the brutal set from tbc until someone pointed to me that my shields color didnt match it

[pallid quiver]

free ride out sooner let's go

not as if it's my choice at this point so

[azure light]

😄 im fucked

[wary heath]

rallying cry feels so weak, is it mandatory

[tender cove]

its not your choice to set alarms to wake up for it?

[azure light]

whattt?

[pallid quiver]

im

im already only sleeping like 4 hours

and this next alarm is going to be during my awake time

[tender cove]

Dont wanna derail it too much but the trick is basically going to sleep same time everyday and waking up same time, 365, you cant deviate more than 30 minutes or it takes a week to reset it back. If you want to know more DM me and I can give you some books/authors on the topic.

[azure light]

but isnt there a clinical research that shows that our bodies ''might'' be programmed to sleep 4 hours 2 times a day?

i read this a loooong time ago, but it stuck in my brain

[tender cove]

Doesn't matter if its going to bed at 5am or 10pm, but you gotta be consistent.

[azure light]

ye

i turn around my sleep schedule every other day XD

[azure light]

anyway, on that note i think i might hit the bed 😛 gngn

[slender wedge]

Any bis list for mythic +?

[fallow osprey]

Can Skyhold get some holiday flair for the server icon 🎄

[pallid quiver]

holidays were cancelled, blizzard decree

we raid for holiday

[fallow osprey]

holidays have been canceled until morale improves

[oblique garnet]

Its coming sometime soon™️

[fallow osprey]

🎉🎉🎉

[muted dome]

About the last pinned message, what’s about ? What’s BV and FBV ?

[tender cove]

if blizz is gonna be blizz, they'll under tune the hell out of this raid to compensate and its only 8 bosses, probably dies first week.

[oblique garnet]

Brutal vitality and fueled by violence (talents)

[warm plinth]

BV is Booming Voice, BrV is Brutal Vitality : RIOT:

[tardy sorrel]

Has anyone played with brutal vitality after the nerf? is it still better than fueled by violence since they buffed it?

[wicked plank]

So, are we always lining up Thunderous Roar and Ravager with demo shout ? Would like to know if it makes sense to make a macro for perfect line up with those 3 ?

[warm plinth]

read the first pin

[warm plinth]

All 3 of those abilities are on the GCD; you can't macro them.

[wicked plank]

Well, technically you can with a /cast /cast /cast, so you just smash the same button ^^"

(me zugzug)

[warm plinth]

No, that would not work

If you try to /cast two spells that are both on the GCD in a macro, it will attempt to cast the first one. If it can't, the macro will fail.

If it casts the first one, it's done and won't try to cast the others.

[jaunty aurora]

thats not true

you can have multiple casts in a macro

[wicked plank]

It is true with a /castsequence I guess ?

[jaunty aurora]

and if it can't cast one it will try to cast the next

[warm plinth]

You can do a castsequence, yes but that would be awkward

[jaunty aurora]

I have plenty of macros for my BM hunter that have multiple casts within them and they work as expected perfectly fine

[wicked plank]

So, a good idea to try to line up those 3 or am I missing something ?

[woeful cypress]

waht should i use whelpling on to get best value?

stats or damage?

the ruby whelp shell

[jaunty aurora]

you can't choose

its random

[loud patrol]

can confirm BV still bugged

[small coral]

What the truck

[open gazelle]

Just don’t cap IP🤷🏼‍♂️

[warm plinth]

Not if both spells are on the GCD. If one or both are off GCD, it will work. Otherwise it's just going to continuously attempt to cast the first spell.

The only reason it works if one is off the GCD is because it's essentially trying to cast both spells simultaneously every time you press the macro.

[woeful cypress]

whats the point of the on use then/.

?

[warm plinth]

Looks like it might be an IQD-esque trinket from looking at the comments. Like depending on what you have targeted/not targeted when you use the on-use effect might be changing what the proc is.

the wowhead comments*

[woeful cypress]

yeah thats what i thought aswell, but that person was saying that the use doesnt matter

[warm plinth]

Well, in their defense, it doesn't appear at first glance that it does anything other than cause an emote

[woeful cypress]

yeah im too stupid to figure out how it works

[warm plinth]

These were two examples given. So targeting friendly = stat proc. Not sure if the whelp they targeted in the second example was attackable or not

Sounds like it might be a mix between IQD and unbound changeling though

Assuming it works that way ofc. Probably needs more testing.

[slender wedge]

which trinkets

are bis from dungeon

[jaunty aurora]

read the guide

posted in pins

[warm plinth]

I wouldn't really worry about that right now because half the dungeons won't be available in M+

But what TheeDeer said. Both guides have recommendations

[slender wedge]

As you said

[lusty grotto]

hello there Friend role @warm plinth

[slender wedge]

half of the dungeons in guides are not in rotation

[sick sentinel]

i achieved fhe goal i set outmto do 9f being ilvl 350 by end of first week

hope to be 370 ish by end of this week 365 or so maybe i settle for

[lusty grotto]

congratulations yogi

[sick sentinel]

i think its slightly boring, but a pretty good expansion so far

[warm plinth]

😠

[lusty grotto]

i dont think its boring at all, anything but

well

[warm plinth]

do you wanna fight Nim

I'll fight you

[lusty grotto]

i think the boring part might come from being open ended and not knowing what to do with so much freedom lol

which i can agree with at least until you start looking for shit to do

[sick sentinel]

so far the dragon story im not super crazy about it, its topd well

[lusty grotto]

😄

well story hasnt really been blizzard's strongest point lmao

not since the RTSes at least

[last pebble]

first spark prio??

[sick sentinel]

do you ever take tremor totem cosplay talent berserk shout for brakenhide and nokhud final trash

[slender wedge]

i did myself ingeniering wrists with battle ress

now i regret it

[last pebble]

lmao thats unlucky

[tender cove]

Does any1 know how much and what % dps roar is for nom?

[sick sentinel]

i mustve went through 1000 brez devices is sl

[tender cove]

ohh, i lose that changing from engii 😮

[sick sentinel]

was alway needing to make more

or, you could reroll dk and have baseline brez

[tender cove]

Does blizzard know BV is bugged? Why are they nerfing an ability, that on their intertnal statistic has to look completely weird and out of whack?
Have you considered blizz doesn't consider it a bug and instead a feature?

[sick sentinel]

its cool that paladins ha e it, i uzed beez as paladin few times now

[tender cove]

mm, love they got that. warrior always been my main boi but pala gets a lot of love from me too. Love them shield smashing classes

[jaunty aurora]

y

[sick sentinel]

still moat ppl i know shying away from playing pala atm

[tender cove]

why? Even ret isnt half bad atm

[sick sentinel]

both aau its horrendous all specs the tree

[tender cove]

What?

[sick sentinel]

hpal playing healer dragon now, ans ret was gunna do enhance, but decides he enjoysret more

[tender cove]

I dont have twitter but can't one of you with special connections just tweet them "hey blizzard, why are you nerfing an ability (Brutal Vitality) that's been bugged since beta. Is everything ok with you? What's going on???" or something like that

Why are they even nerfing it?

[mighty valley]

has anyone actually gone and tested if it's still bugged today

[tender cove]

one said someone told him someone told him that its fixed

[mighty valley]

also, with the tier set, BV working as intended at pre-nerf values gave us like 45% total pseudo leech

[tender cove]

an just before reset, some1 from in here, said its still bugged

[sick sentinel]

pwar giga nerf waiting room simulator 2023

im just waiting for it

[last pebble]

primal molten shield where i an pick my stats or shield of the hearth where its crit/mast but can grant 313 vers for 15 seconds?

[dry kayak]

is it worth using a spark craft on a non embellished at the moment? kind of at a crossroads of what to do

[last pebble]

yeah same, i wanna know what to make lol

[lusty grotto]

you can embelish on a recraft

so it really doesnt matter

[dry kayak]

is the neck a smart crafting move at the moment if its assured rank 4?

[lusty grotto]

cant say

it doesnt matter, youll get another spark next week

i rushed shield

as did some others

thats it, idk about the rest of the crafts and i really dont care until next week

[warm plinth]

someone like 20-30 mins ago said it was still bugged

they tested it

[mighty valley]

ok cool

[last pebble]

which one?

[dark lance]

Has anyone got a decent list of bis items I should be targeting?

[warm plinth]

Both of the guides in the pins have bis lists

[dark lance]

Ty sir

[misty hinge]

for the ruby whelp shell do i just target an enemy and use it everyday?

[warm plinth]

not fully known yet I don't believe. You can check the messages from here and down a few to see what is being hypothesized (at least by me and a couple people in wowhead comments)

#protection message

[sullen tangle]

what's the best crafted gear for prot?

[primal jetty]

Frostfire Legguards of Preparation is pretty good IMO

Mastery over Haste w/ stacking haste proc

[lusty grotto]

its also replaced by tier

alright @warm plinth ima hibernate for a while

ping me when it gets interesting with drama

[warm plinth]

what drama

[lusty grotto]

idk you know the usual when people consider us meta

penis measuring style drama

"a streamer told me to do this" drama

those are always fun

[slender wedge]

Do you think compass trinket from WQ is good?

[latent cargo]

How’s y’all’s damage in mythics? It feels like the other tanks do a lot more.

[ember prairie]

i've not seen other tanks dps... but I'm very rarely last, and if the pull is big enough I'm usually first

single target is sad tho, havn't quite figured that part out yet.

[viral field]

Like 30k+ overall depending on dungeon at like 370 ilvl

[tender quartz]

Can we already get the 2nd Spark of Ingenuity this week would anyone happen to know? Thinking about giving it to Pants since no Haste / Vers will be available in M+ or Raid

[fast knot]

Once every two weeks

I'm probably going to go neck/helmet assuming ppm is what beta had it at

[warm plinth]

Next one is available on the 13th.

[dense lance]

would a shield be a good investment of the spark?

[autumn urchin]

anyone run into this issue trying to send a recraft order https://i.imgur.com/4RXq2iA.png

[warm plinth]

It wouldn't be a bad investment

[dense lance]

primal is better because i can choose what stats right?

[warm plinth]

you're beyond my level of knowledge of crafting already my friend, but I'm sure someone else in here can answer that for you

[ember prairie]

word around the block is a lot of people are yoloing a shield... ive seen a couple of the crafting streamers say they are heavily investing in shields as well so that's a good sign

[tender quartz]

Yea first went into Shield, if i get an upgrade meanwhile I'll use, after a couple Mythic Clears I'll upgrade Shield further with more Spec Points. 2nd is going into Pants because of no Haste Versa. Think I'll be happy with that overall

Offtopic but did anyone notice FPS improvements in Valdrakken as of reset or is it placebo?

[warm plinth]

Well shields are one of our biggest upgrades for sure and it's easier to get a weapon than a shield so it seems solid to me to go for that

[dense lance]

got lucky and got forgestorm from mythic

[warm plinth]

Nice nice

[dense lance]

so im pretty set after this

[stark fox]

How many ilvls is a socket worth?

[warm plinth]

[stark fox]

roughly

[warm plinth]

Depends on the slot

[stark fox]

belt

[warm plinth]

idk, 3 ilevels maybe? That's just a guess though. Harder to justify the loss of main stat than if it were a ring or neck

[potent shard]

40k overall usually

[hot maple]

Anyone know if the armor spikes embellishment is unique? Like, we can't have spikes on a shield and on an armor piece right?

[tame jasper]

That means, that the crafter can't ensure to craft the item in the wanted quality. Inspiration procs are not taken into as they are not ensured

[fluid beacon]

So is Treemouth's some kind of Sim bug? cuz it shows that its a 2700 DPS increase for me but the tooltip shows now damage effect nor does details

[tame jasper]

e.g. you set the min quality to 5-star, but the crafter can only ensure 4-star without inspiration procc, this message will come

[fluid beacon]

tooltip shows just an absorb shield and the strength value alone is no way that much dps

so what am i missing

[warm plinth]

Can you link the sim

[fluid beacon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/auDQpz61mH5yZ1KbazX6Qe

It has to be an error with Simcraft

cuz even with a simple gear compare it shows that difference

nothing else changed

[warm plinth]

Yeah it's because you have double on-use trinkets

The higher sim is using them in opposite priority

[fluid beacon]

not sure what you mean

[warm plinth]

The two sims are you using e.g. trinket 2 before trinket 1 and the other sim is trinket 1 before trinket 2

[fluid beacon]

the other trinket i had in there was also an on use

[warm plinth]

Which means they probably are lining up with CDs differently

[fluid beacon]

ok but my other trinekt was a DPS trinket

this is an absorb shield

so 2 even unaligned dps trinket should sim better than 1 dps 1 absord one

unless the Strength value is so much

Blazebinder's Hoof was the other trinket

[warm plinth]

Oh I misunderstood your question, my bad. Yeah I'm guessing it's probably just main stat vs haste

Also not sure if anything changed, but fwiw I don't believe you should use dslice for prot

[fluid beacon]

2700 dps from dropping a bunch of haste and gaining STR

seems a bit insane

hectic add cleave? im only interested in the delta between gear so what i sim with shouldnt matter much, no?

[warm plinth]

Generally I sim 3 min ST and 5 target patchwerk 1 min and if I'm feeling really froggy I'll do a 10 target patch 1 min

[autumn urchin]

Thx for the reply, my issue is this error still occurs with no minimum ilvl set

[warm plinth]

Well when it comes to a trinket I think it would matter more because if the sim is using it on a trash pack vs on a boss (in dslice) then you're going to have a different outcome

like if one trinket is used 3 times on trash and one is used 2 times on trash and one time on boss, it's gonna be skewed

[fluid beacon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sK36Qrhdwx6DUCU9wbBgdf

Strength has a large Stat weight but Haste is not that far off

so its still a bit strange to me

but I like the trinket. the shield is pretty massive

[warm plinth]

I mean, that's showing str as like 60% better than haste so that makes sense.

[fluid beacon]

ya i suppose so

pretty nuts that strength has such huge value

[warm plinth]

that being said, you can ping nomeratur if you want a more informed opinion. He's the TC dude so he would probably be able to give like...math reasons behind it, or at least confirm that I'm not totally stupid 😂

or Mwahi

[fluid beacon]

yea I may tomorrow. kinda late now to ping the man

thanks for the help though Cap'n

[warm plinth]

np, they're both EU fwiw though so it's morning (or soon to be morning) for them

[ionic fern]

Morning. 😦

Sucks.

But you sure don't.

[warm plinth]

Morning Mwahi! ily

[ionic fern]

Apparently the self damage the trinket deals is counted as your own DPS , even though it's not

[loud patrol]

now thats interesting

[ionic fern]

now thats interesting dumb.

Fixed it for you.

[warm plinth]

Thank you for checking further into it Mwahi. I would never have thought to look for that.

[weary python]

How valuable is a gem socket?

4 ilevels as well?

[ionic fern]

Sim yourself for DPS.
For survivability it depends on the slot as different slots have different stat budgets.

[fluid beacon]

Knew it had to be messed up. It's a purely defensive on use trinket and no way that strength gives me that much damage. In fact I have other trinkets with slightly less strength that are nowhere near that sim. Thanks for checking into it and fixing it. I still like the trinket for the defensive capabilities. Pretty big shield on a short cd

[loud patrol]

man i gotta do the m0s but i feel lazy today

and tomorrow my sub runs out and it will prob be like 2 days that wont play

[dense lance]

is there any reason to buy the highest quality enchant?

doesnt seem to change the stats

[tame blaze]

Pretty sure the tooltips are incorrect. I think, for example, ring enchants actually give less than they say (unless that changed)

[mortal brook]

Tooltips are shit, higher star is higher stats

[lyric geode]

when m+ is up, we will be able to farm epic

so enchants will be dirty cheap

[hazy sluice]

Yo for m+ sims is dungeon slice the way to go ? And is it normal das Revenge sits on DMG Nr 1?

Raidbots says I'm at 22k, I am able to get to 25k overall but I don't think revenge was on place Nr 1

[urban portal]

because dungeon slice isnt a real dungeon

its also not that big of packs

[hazy sluice]

I'm more into spamming SS/TC because if procs and spending rage on IP cuz it's off gcd, like revenge is after SS and TC on prio list isn't it ?

[ionic fern]

Generally speaking the AoE APL is not as finely tuned as the ST one.

[warm plinth]

I'm dumb when it comes to APL but shouldn't Ip be there somewhere

[urban portal]

it should be somewhere else

IP rules isnt specific to aoe so its not in the aoe section

[ionic fern]

There are different parts to the APL (not all of them are written in the same way).
For Warriors there's
"Actions" - which = highest priority, this includes cooldowns,trinkets,and IP
And then the following:
"actions.AoE" which is called if the target count is more than.. 3 iirc (?)
"actions.general" which is called if the target count is less than 3

General is treated as the "ST" one.

[upbeat salmon]

i mean, don't you like more stats ?

[hazy sluice]

Like I thought u should always cast thunderclap every second gcd in avatar, but in the dungeon slice sim it's more like revenge is being cast every other gcd

[ionic fern]

As i said in the beginning :
"Generally speaking the AoE APL is not as finely tuned as the ST one."

[upbeat salmon]

dungeon slice doesn't have as many targets does it ?

[hazy sluice]

Ah ok

Just sorting out if I'm doing something wrong

[sand pebble]

Revenge buffs tc, will proc tier also

[warm plinth]

Makes sense, thanks for the explanation

[hazy sluice]

But i have no tier set

[ionic fern]

UNless they changed it, dungeon slice is working as follows:
"DungeonSlice:
360s sim
NO Boss(es)
1 enemy for the first 135s
~5s of nothing to hit (no actions)
4-6 adds every 45s (starting at 140s) for ~15s
1-3 adds every 50s (starting at 160s) for ~30s
(there will be short periods of inaction in-between some add spawns)
"

[urban portal]

so the packs are never bigger than 6?

[ionic fern]

Correct.

[urban portal]

i guess it doesnt really matter

[urban portal]

since rotations for most classes at 6=uncapped anyways

[hazy sluice]

This is with avatar up

Without tier set obv

[urban portal]

like he said

its not optimized

[hazy sluice]

Yeah

[ionic fern]

If you look at the TC line it doesn't have any special modifications for Avatar/UF.

It's just a line for if avatar is up AND Outburst is up AND target count is more than 5 AND UF is talented.

[warm plinth]

That's a lot of ands

[hazy sluice]

So correctly played it's TC every other gcd right and then prio is SS>revenge ?

[ionic fern]

That's one way, yes.
I'm fairly sure Nom prios SS very hard over Revenge even in AoE.

At least looking at some of the damage breakdowns he has posted previously.

[hazy sluice]

Yeah I kinda stick to that rule too. Like if with procs I kinda never come to casting revenge I still put it in somewhere early er to apply the dot

[ionic fern]

I spam Revenge heavily.

in AoE.

[sand pebble]

same

[onyx vessel]

Revenge tclap ss

All you need

[sand pebble]

revenge to get avatar back faster

[ionic fern]

I'll play with the AoE APL tonight. 👀

[round current]

Why ss over revenge in heavy aoe?

[ionic fern]

You should see the IP line nom made. 😂

[onyx vessel]

I leveled as prot 60-70

Died 3 times

Once in a dungeon

[sand pebble]

you died?

[onyx vessel]

After getting feared 3 times

And stunned 5

[sand pebble]

i died once at 63 when i tried to kill a 71 elite

[onyx vessel]

Other 2 fall dmg fails

[ionic fern]

The reasoning is:
SS = Rage generation which means more Rage to be spent which means more value out of AM.

[onyx vessel]

[ionic fern]

Also, SS actually hits like a truck.

[onyx vessel]

I did a normal as i hit 70

Like got 70 from the 1st boss

Got a 346 1hand

You guys ever feel like you have to pull small cuz your dps are just gonna die

[sand pebble]

haha nope

[split copper]

Lol they are usually the ones pulling and then dying 😂

[onyx vessel]

Own fault

[ionic fern]

Never.

Your the top damage anyways.

No need for DPS.

[onyx vessel]

Thats how we nerfed for the 100th time tho

I wasnt in that normal

Ww monk was double my dmg

[sand pebble]

ww pumps yes

[onyx vessel]

Probably was quite a bit more geared as i was 318

[sand pebble]

guildy ww was on 70-80k average dps in acadamy

[lyric geode]

No no. Ww is totally balanced.

Whirlwind is doing ok dmg.

[hazy sluice]

I prefer SS over revenge cuz of more rage= more everything. U feed all the talentswith more rage spend. Also SS DMG reduction for target

Even in aoe

[lyric geode]

If you reduce dmg taken of a single mob of 5 mobs by X amount, you effectively reduce dmg taken by X/5

[onyx vessel]

Still no m+ out so no reason to worry about survivability

[lyric geode]

The big win is the buff that increases your block by 25%. Totally broken.

[hazy sluice]

Sure thing, it's a small side effect but it is just the cherry on top to the other benefits of spending a ready SS over a revenge gcd

[lyric geode]

But definitely usable on higher content.

[onyx vessel]

Go in normal get spooned your 4 set and your golden

[lyric geode]

I hope we would be able to craft tier.

5 tank runs when?

[sand pebble]

can do that now

[lyric geode]

Can you do it +20s?

In beta?

[onyx vessel]

Probably

[sand pebble]

doesnt relate to now due to tuning

id say warrior got nerfed a good 50% from what it was early beta

[onyx vessel]

Still strong af

[lyric geode]

I hope people continue play protection warrior instead of moving fotm.

Build a strong community.

[sand pebble]

bursting for 120k in academy tree boss trash feels nice yes

[onyx vessel]

Dh is fotm

[sand pebble]

we have a strong community

[lyric geode]

Bear is also fotm

[onyx vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

[lyric geode]

On SL the spec was abused.

People left left and right.

[sand pebble]

my bad i didnt know that my warrior i made in 2005 wasnt perforrming well in slands..

[upbeat salmon]

tbf it wasn't fun to play in SL

[lyric geode]

Most of us become bdk.

[onyx vessel]

Fotm players

[upbeat salmon]

rofl

[onyx vessel]

[lyric geode]

I didnt roll dk. Just citing how broken the community became.

[urban portal]

People isn’t here to be loyal to some computer bytes

They wanna play what’s the best

[upbeat salmon]

i played SV before it was cool

[hazy sluice]

My problem is not the meta it's that every tank is hella fun for me so I cannot decide what to play first.

[urban portal]

This isn’t a PvP game where you can at least outplay people

There are something’s your spec just isn’t capable of

[hazy sluice]

Except bear lel

[lyric geode]

Not necessarily. Only fotm. Like League people play Ivern competitively. It doesnt mean it isnt a shitty champion.

I played Nasus top all the time.

I had to minimize my weaknesses and maximize my strengths ( turrets go boing boing).

[urban portal]

Yes that’s my point

In league you can outplay people through expertise

But in wow you literally have a cap

[lyric geode]

Ah ok.

[urban portal]

Like

You can be loyal to arms all you want

You can parse 100

In 9.0 you still can’t beat a fotm reroller Druid

Same with something like prot pal vs pre nerf jailer

It was just too difficult

But dps reach their limits faster than tanks

Because fights are USUALLY balanced around the weakest tank

And in m+ no one is forcing you to push highest keys

[urban portal]

Also nasus has been meta in lower elos for a pretty long time now

[lyric geode]

Really?

I haven't touched this game since a long time.

[urban portal]

Anyways you get my point

In league you can one trick because there’s skill cap to most champs

In wow you can’t just because you don’t produce the raw numbers

That’s why people reroll

[lyric geode]

Sirhcez is the best nasus player.

[urban portal]

Look at critcake

[lyric geode]

I see

[urban portal]

#3 warrior in the world

Had to reroll warlock in 9.2 for some dungeons

Because warrior just can’t do it

[sand pebble]

who is 1 and 2?

[urban portal]

Sorry my bad

#2

This is the official list

[lyric geode]

Its just sad.

I remember how op was demonology.

[urban portal]

Huh

It was destro

Demonology at no point was op in m+

[lyric geode]

Ah yes.

[urban portal]

How can you be sad when people want to play one line of code over another

[lyric geode]

Rain of fire.

[urban portal]

They want to be doing the best content

[lyric geode]

Spam

[urban portal]

Not doing 15s on their favorite spec

[lyric geode]

I mean, there is no loyalty to class and spec anymore.

[urban portal]

That’s what I’m trying to say

Why would there every be loyalty

You play what’s fun and what gets you doing the hardest content

Not to mention wow is pretty stale

So you either push hard content or try different specs

[sick sentinel]

@strong forum did they fix BV bug

[urban portal]

Not yet

Don’t think

[strong forum]

This is slander

[sand pebble]

i had a weird interaction with it today - wasnt adding to total and as the buff hit sub 1 second or dropped? ss gave me almost a full ip

but maybe server lag

[strong forum]

Dunno

[naive palm]

any suggestions on what prots are going to craft before raid ?

[urban portal]

That list is objectively true

[jagged pier]

i dunno im on there

[sick sentinel]

i think they fixed it

[urban portal]

Literally no one disagrees with it

I would put unfort above maid

But it’s good enough

[sick sentinel]

pretty sure its fixed

[round current]

Do that means show of force is not that good?

[pallid quiver]

It did have a "in the servers" stipulation

[urban portal]

Show of force is okay

[pallid quiver]

So it's limiting the number of players bare minimum from that

[strong forum]

Didn't make the cut

[slim pier]

how's forgestorm?

[strong forum]

On beta it was bis, dunno how it's now

[warm plinth]

Mwahi is bis

[sand pebble]

no no who was that warrior that tried to make their own list\

[urban portal]

The list I linked is objectively correct

[sand pebble]

id agree mostly

[urban portal]

To bad the man is banned

I need a new list for df

[sand pebble]

yeah you know hehe

wtf was his name

[lyric geode]

Who get banned?

[urban portal]

The legend

The mods wouldn’t tell you about

[runic wagon]

We are not supposed to talk about it

[ionic fern]

No, it does not mean that.
SoF is still better than the alternatives in AoE.
Even though some people prioritise SS over Revenge more heavily in AoE you NEVER completely ignore the button.

[lyric geode]

Just curious.

[strong forum]

Fwiw

80% of my TCs in dungeons are empowered by sof

[ionic fern]

[strong forum]

In a log I checked back on beta, sof contributed alone 1.3k dps to the key

[jaunty aurora]

what are most crafting

[slim pier]

Have you heard the tragedy of () the banned

[strong forum]

Idk, probably shield or weapon

[ionic fern]

^
I second that.

[strong forum]

OK I want some lore on that list

Cuz it only features dps mains, and jakey

Is this based on parses or something

[ionic fern]

What list? 👀

[jagged pier]

yer i said its invalid because im on the list

[strong forum]

Seems to be an inside joke

@minor helm splain

[ionic fern]

😂

[pallid quiver]

The qualifications on it are 10/10 meme tier

"big data collection" and "Modesty"

with modesty capitalized for some reason

also "firgurhead"

[jagged pier]

yer none of which i am

[marble cipher]

Yet it certainly wouldn't beat out a 13ilvl higher weapon with secondaries, .... right...?

[strong forum]

Hell no

[marble cipher]

pfew

[strong forum]

It wins over like 3ilvl

It's not gavel

Ultimately a sim question

Since they're working now

[dapper vapor]

Any shield enjoyers in the chat? Looking for thoughts on what people are looking to make 2nd

[strong forum]

Prolly neck

Or helmet

[jaunty aurora]

thats a nice shield 😮

[dapper vapor]

Do the thorns stack?

[strong forum]

Neck seems to be the strongest of the embellishments, but will also be the most pricey

[urban portal]

It’s basically someone with no self awareness and possibly mental issues

[strong forum]

As the recipe comes from the raid

[urban portal]

And then we just kind of thought it’s funny

The list is basically who answers his questions

[strong forum]

Ah

[urban portal]

+some random stuff

He got banned for being racist to critcake or something

[strong forum]

Different effect, so yes

[urban portal]

Either way it’s funny as hell

[dapper vapor]

oh fuck thats sick

cactus knight is a vibe

[strong forum]

Prot with armor spikes + nails + helmet is literally cactus Knight

[jagged pier]

i thought shield hardly proc'd tho

[strong forum]

It does

But still funny

Do like 6k dps just by existing or some shit

[jaunty aurora]

so what did u craft/will u craft first nom

[strong forum]

I crafted shield with spikes

[topaz crescent]

is it expensive/time-consuming to get BS up to a level that I can craft the shield?

[jagged pier]

crafting

orders

[ionic fern]

Nope.

[strong forum]

It's prolly cheaper to just order it

[ionic fern]

But no need tpo.

[jaunty aurora]

you need the recipe

[ionic fern]

Just fill out the crafting order.

[jaunty aurora]

wich might be hard to get

[topaz crescent]

oh right, i completely forgot about orders lmao

thanks 😄

[ionic fern]

The recipe is from the "Armor Specialization".

So you don't need to get anything.

[jaunty aurora]

oh

well u need to get hella knowledge im sure

[ionic fern]

No.

[jaunty aurora]

bruh

[ionic fern]

🤷

[jaunty aurora]

So with the crafting orders if they craft me an item with bad secondary stats can i reject it?

or

[jagged pier]

u can give them the items

to give u the stats

u want

[jaunty aurora]

gotcha

[ionic fern]

I got my shield with spikes & haste/crit for 1k yesterday.

[jaunty aurora]

ima wait till end of week to do my craft. God forbit one of the trials drops me a good shield...

[ionic fern]

[ionic fern]

You can upgrade it further. 👀

[lyric geode]

I don't understand. What shield with spikes?

[ionic fern]

#protection message

[ionic fern]

This shield.

[jaunty aurora]

I just need three pieces...

[ionic fern]

Oh damn

[fervent patio]

Hello,
I dinged last weekend, been swamped with some work stuff. So I have the evenings to mostly gear my warrior towards raid of next week.
What's the most efficient way to get it done?

[ionic fern]

Enchanting that gear.

Wild.

[jaunty aurora]

Enchanting is cheap

[lyric geode]

Ok

[jagged pier]

regenitive leech

KEKW

[ionic fern]

M0 round into rare farm i'd guess.

[jagged pier]

its worse than writ of leech

[jaunty aurora]

Thats BIS enchant

for cloak

[jagged pier]

nope

[jaunty aurora]

according to both guides it is

xd

[jagged pier]

it literally nothing offers nothing

[paper coral]

Are the drops from rares/WQs supposed to be higher than my average ilvl?

[jagged pier]

over wirt of leech

its the same amount of leech

do u need healing out of combat?
i fucking hope not

[slim dove]

all about the speed enchants lmao

[lyric geode]

To be honest, I believe that speed enchant will have some value in m+

[jaunty aurora]

why not

[slim dove]

boots/bracer/close with speed is 10%

[jaunty aurora]

i mean i obviously don't need it 90% of the time

[slim dove]

its pretty nice.

[jagged pier]

i mean 1 is 100s of gold

[jaunty aurora]

but an extra stat is an extra stat

[jagged pier]

and the other is thousands

and they offer the same amount of leech

🤷

[jaunty aurora]

I bought that for like 200g

but ok

[ionic fern]

They are both dirt cheap.

[jagged pier]

not on my server

[jaunty aurora]

full pop for the win

there is no profession in the profit atm besides gathering

almost all of our crafting professions are like 10g profit

which is so sad

[ionic fern]

I'm confused about your reasoning tbh.
They both offer the same amount of Leech (unless it was changed), with Regenative offering an additional effect.

[ionic fern]

Is it just the potential price you're arguing over?

[jagged pier]

yer but the additonal effect is useless

like literally useless

[jaunty aurora]

No

[jagged pier]

yes

[jaunty aurora]

When im at 99% HP after leaving combat

my cloak will give me that 1%

xd

[lyric geode]

It is like, with your purchase, you will get an extra cd of music of Britney Spears.

[ionic fern]

Additional effect > no additional effect. 🤔

It will still heal you for something.

[jagged pier]

useless additional effect = nothing

[ionic fern]

I mean..that's up to you..but calling Writ BETTER is also wrong.

🤷

[jaunty aurora]

i dont see healing as useless

[jagged pier]

its better because its saves me gold

[lyric geode]

Value for money it is better.

[ionic fern]

That's a whole other topic.

....

😂

[jaunty aurora]

On my server they are 50g apart from eachother

If it was a bigger gap i could see ur point

but since the gap is minuscule...

https://i.imgur.com/7hCq9yR.png

also not really hard for gold right now

The huge dip is me resetting an item

xd

[ionic fern]

Jeah, it's really good.
I went from 180k gold to 5k gold in like 2 days.

[jaunty aurora]

ive been flipping

day 1-3 was REALLY good

but then people started not buying BoEs to level

ive been sat at the trial of flood for an hour now waiting on this dam thing

[sick sentinel]

ok i think i figured it out

Violent Outburst bugs BV out

regular cast of IP doesnt

[toxic pewter]

I have locked down the engineering market on my server. Have made almost 2 million gold so far

[marble cipher]

Dear Blizz, unbug BruV already.
Thanks.

[jaunty aurora]

selling crafting equipment i assume?

[toxic pewter]

Yah first to get jc and mining stuff

Cha Ching

[jaunty aurora]

Nice I made probably a good 700k early with that

still kinda good profit on my server about 500g profit

but they don't sell fast anymore

[toxic pewter]

Tinkers where it’s at now

Gotta make rank 3 tho

[jaunty aurora]

U can only tinker engineering gear though no\

[toxic pewter]

Ya but they selling

[jaunty aurora]

Cause the bres tinker requires it be on an engineering piece which blows

[toxic pewter]

Yah but anyone can use the bracers

[jaunty aurora]

really considering getting a engineering craft just for the brez tinker at some point

[toxic pewter]

Been selling rank 3 tinkers for 100k each all night

Sold like 10 so far

[jaunty aurora]

tam

[toxic pewter]

Kinda crazy

[jaunty aurora]

just wait till raid

when all the crafting shit will jump through the roof

especially when people get their second spark

[toxic pewter]

Yah damn

Bonkers

[jaunty aurora]

prob farmed rep

and bought the vendor gear

trial of flood is up

ONLYWAY TO KILL PROT IN PVP

is to chain stun

sadge

hmmmmm

I think that is a use

can u send their inspect?

[paper coral]

What do you all use your spark on, or does it depend on what you need?

[sweet summit]

nothing yet

[loud patrol]

i have on a shield

cuz mine was 296

[ionic fern]

God damn rookies.

With 381

[lyric elm]

Wtf

[jaunty aurora]

b

[wispy canopy]

cry in 374

[jaunty aurora]

ur name is guild?

[ionic fern]

Actually wild.

[wispy canopy]

damn

[ionic fern]

No, that's not me.

[jagged pier]

mwahi hasnt even played

[jaunty aurora]

405 item dam they used the exploit when it was out

[jagged pier]

he still in waiting room

[runic hatch]

405 "legit"

[ionic fern]

y0000

Nooo

I removed it.

I'm playing. 😦

I'm even raiding once it comes out.

[jaunty aurora]

Day one/two there was a rare exploit that had no cap and constantly upgraded

[ionic fern]

[jaunty aurora]

which

craft

[lyric elm]

I'm surprised they didn't remove these items

Above 400 it actually matters because then you are into serious m+ gear

[ionic fern]

I got more /played than you.

[jagged pier]

i have 3 chars

[ionic fern]

Ok, fair.

[jagged pier]

🤔

[ionic fern]

I take it back.

😂

[jagged pier]

😂

[ionic fern]

I'm still trying to level up my VDH

Just doing dungeons.

Surprisingly fast.

[lyric elm]

It's a fun class

Very flexible

[jagged pier]

to slow for me but its ok

[ionic fern]

^

This.

[lyric elm]

Everything is ass with this low haste

Bdk is so painful

[jagged pier]

no like it just is slower than war

[jaunty aurora]

yep

[ionic fern]

To my surprise i also felt wayyyyy less mobile on VDH than on my warrior.

[jaunty aurora]

don't forget leap

[jagged pier]

yer

[jaunty aurora]

Charge on cooldown? Leap

[jagged pier]

cause i use leap in combat which i shouldnt do on VDH

[cobalt seal]

Skill issue

[ionic fern]

I do this as well.

Used to leap doing the sigil thingy i guess.

And i honestly don't know what to press..Soul CLeave or Spirit Bomb

[jagged pier]

yer but it doesnt do that anymore

[ionic fern]

And the Fraility mechanic is like wtf is this.

[jagged pier]

i think its SB in aoe Cleave in ST

maybe

even tho i just press SB

because it big bam

[ionic fern]

Where the VDH experts.

[cobalt seal]

https://tenor.com/view/frankly-thats-a-skill-issue-hazzikostas-ion-ion-hazzikostas-skill-issue-gif-21595688

[ionic fern]

100%.

[jagged pier]

CRO WHEN DO I PRESS WHAT?

[ionic fern]

^