hey guys, i found nothing about this trinket, is it worth it?
#protection
dark warren
strong forum
its the best of the bad tank trinkets
sudden osprey
its probably been awnsered but we still rocking BV or FbV? my healer wants to know if my health will move this week
lusty tiger
6+ mobs and you have rage to revenge and ample time on shield block
sudden osprey
idk either way im spamming ignore pain lul
static aspen
Same
sturdy sable
why would your health move?
For some reason ppl are really stuck on that one choice node and its nerf
strong forum
blazing condor
so whats the reason we take IV instead of Berserker Rage?
gentle acorn
a 30% on demand heal
strong forum
that one doesnt even need answering
gentle acorn
berserker rage is only useful if it's going to stop a fear/sap etc
blazing condor
eh i mean yeah i guess. just hasn't felt needed before
sturdy sable
a 30% on demand heal
I think he was memeing
blazing condor
but then again when m+ comes out
nah im just sad we dont get BR anymore and trying to rationalise it
minor helm
Don’t rationalize just cope
blazing condor
its nice when you need it though but idk how much that'd be in DF compared to SL
like when people dont interrupt fears and shit
but i get it obviously IV has more value
strong forum
thats not an s1 dungeon
rotund thicket
i think its pvp nerf, i thought a druid before and its back to 1min after i changed the instance
blazing condor
well then
strong forum
could be a warmode thing ye
modern brook
unless you miss kicks in ~~nokhud~~ notgood
i hate this dungeon with a passion
minor helm
blazing condor
nokhud more like notgud
modern brook
sick sentinel
the fear in the final part of that dungeon is (horrible disease)
sick sentinel
i don't like having to spec into being a tremor totem for that dungeon >.> SURE
sick sentinel
you could have ppl interuppt
modern brook
the worst part of the dungeon is literally the entire reset of the dungeon
sick sentinel
buti mean, that actually happening?
modern brook
-very low low.
sand smelt
Question for you folks. Is armor spikes worth it?
sick sentinel
u can fly and shit
"the first dungeon in 18 years you can fly in.... and yet you chose to run and walk around"
healer when i did nokhud normal
sweet summit
took you this long ?
strong forum
it was one of the requirements for yellow name
sweet summit
true
sick sentinel
mental is one letter away from metal
sweet summit
shoot
modern brook
can i ask a question about proffesions here
only if you also hate nokhud
drifting juniper
i hate hall of infusion
strong forum
you can ask, but idk if you get a good answer
modern brook
smh we dont help nokhud likers in here 😠
drifting juniper
not a liker, idiffrent
so anyway, there is this artisian consurtiom thing that is supposed to give me a quest
it doesnt
and i cant make a ticket about it
sweet summit
can you be a bit more specific
sick sentinel
smh we dont help nokhud likers in here 😠
1-3 of nokhud is fine
drifting juniper
yes, there is this npc called azley that is supposed to give me a quest while i reach +25 on any specilization
drifting juniper
it doesnt give me any quests
sweet summit
i don't remember that quest at all
modern brook
also do not remember such a quest
sweet summit
modern brook
im at 30+ on both my profs rn
sweet summit
there's a quest at 50 prof skill
sick sentinel
i have like, 1 2 and 2 parts of meta achivements on lore master for DF
drifting juniper
sick sentinel
kinda driving me crazy didn't lore master yet
sweet summit
what professions do you have
sick sentinel
missing less than 30 quests probably
drifting juniper
herbalism and alchemy
mellow quartz
?
sweet summit
well they can i guess
drifting juniper
but there is work order for alchemy
minor helm
1-3 of nokhud is fine
Ballista boss is far from fine
sick sentinel
only ever wiped to that once when dps didn't do the thing
drifting juniper
thanks erga, it was driving me crazy
this whole proffesion thing is driving me crazy
sweet summit
it's lacking a lot of information on blizzard's side
drifting juniper
i cant get the flask i want because everytime i use the experiemnt button i explode and puts me on 4 hr cd, i come back and explode again
sweet summit
can easily see how it's confusing
drifting juniper
stuck on 93 alchemy for 4 days
sweet summit
mood
drifting juniper
took me 600k gold too
modern brook
i thought profs were capped at 50 lol
drifting juniper
nah man its way too complicated and Rng, i am not getting the flask for my spec after spending so much
deft hazel
any reason i wouldnt get credit for these trials 
sweet summit
i thought profs were capped at 50 lol
you can unlock all recipes at 50, but past 50 you get more "skill" which increases chances of making higher quality things
sweet summit
any reason i wouldnt get credit for these trials <:medge:869468644743200829>
they're a one time thing
modern brook
you can unlock all recipes at 50, but past 50 you get more "skill" which increas...
i have no skill
no wonder im bad at game
minor helm
drifting juniper
the experiment thing, you need to do it to unlock recipes
but it explodes in your face idk what to do about it
sweet summit
embrace the rng or spec into potion/phial experimentation
oblique garnet
which is why you don't like nokhud
Garbage dungeon
drifting juniper
i have specced into those but it doesnt help
drifting juniper
i need a specific flask for my spec or a second worse option havent got any
gentle acorn
just tell your dps to get good
oblique garnet
nop dragonflying owns which in turn makes the dungeon own
Youll see once m+ opens and im right
modern brook
did more dps than 2 dps in my first m0 at 340 ilvl <:okayge:917646812519739433>
you're comparing your dps to pugs
blazing condor
yes
uneven mason
did more dps than 2 dps in my first m0 at 340 ilvl <:okayge:917646812519739433>
Literally bad DPS
modern brook
mighty valley
nokhud has been fun the twice i've done it but it does feel like it's gonna be a really weird m+ dungeon
minor helm
did more dps than 2 dps in my first m0 at 340 ilvl <:okayge:917646812519739433>
That’s why u have the crown
modern brook
bro when i was leveling everyone was just bitching about my damage the WHOLE time
minor helm
Yeah cause ur a freak of nature
modern brook
Yeah cause ur a freak of nature
true but they were saying prot was op
which isnt true. I am op.
minor helm
Real and true
strong forum
when i do high dmg, its me, when i do low dmg, its the class
oblique garnet
Prot is op
oblique garnet
Nerf prot
tidal scarab
Buff prot
drifting juniper
nerf havoc dh
strong forum
has happened several times before already
uneven mason
IP going back on the GCD
sick sentinel
i'll be completely transparent
lusty tiger
We’re getting a buff
sick sentinel
im just waiting for giga nerf pwar announcment
uneven mason
We’re getting a buff
IP going back on the GCD,?
sick sentinel
i know its coming some point of DF
lusty tiger
Demo off gcd
oblique garnet
Ip and sb are now on gcd 
uneven mason
strong forum
SS nerfed by 30%
blazing condor
burgeoning seed bad yes
sturdy sable
im just waiting for giga nerf pwar announcment
My dk is primed and ready
strong forum
pmuch
uneven mason
It's like all the worst ideas of wod BFA and sl coming for us at once
drifting juniper
i want to say something controversial
strong forum
get your paladins ready
oblique garnet
Block damage reduction nerfed by 50%
drifting juniper
and just close the chat afterwards and check the aftermath tommorow
I MISS Banner build and playstyle
blazing condor
also first boss Azure Vaults is just literally the 3rd boss from Underrot
slim dove
rage generation nerfed by 40% 
oblique garnet
How is that controversial?
strong forum
pmuch everybody misses banner
uneven mason
rage generation nerfed by 40% <:keks:936231610850897992>
So still three times what we had in 8.0
sturdy sable
How is that controversial?
He said he was going to close the chat
drifting juniper
because when first talents came out and i said there is no banner everyone said good, Cba banner
sick sentinel
My dk is primed and ready
you can nerf dk dmg and all this and that.... doesn't change that they got 40 yard snap to u + brez +ams/z oh, i dunno, deathstrike maybe
strong forum
it makes pwar very relaxing to play
oblique garnet
because when first talents came out and i said there is no banner everyone said ...
People who didnt know how to play with banner
sturdy sable
Yeah i still find alot of the stuff id like to grip are ungrippable in these dungonws
drifting juniper
i only played last season of shadowlands on prot warrior and pushed high keys but this season i went back to my main because i didnt like this playstyle
sturdy sable
And all these dps are clueless when i Los something
uneven mason
I mean deathstrike isn't really a point of contention when they take way more damage
strong forum
true
drifting juniper
but i like the guys here in this chat tho so i stick around
strong forum
drifting juniper
took me so long to lift my finger off from thunderclap to shift my focus into maximizing shield slam now people spam TC
minor helm
true
The worst part about it is venthyr condemn still tracks the 100-80 on plater so there’s just a random line in all the nameplates
oblique garnet
@strong forum are you home on m+ release or working?
minor helm
Had to swap back to necro and get rid of it
oblique garnet
strong forum
then ill go ham
oblique garnet
Where am i gonna find a tank who is willing to tank m+ at 6 am
strong forum
the day after
drifting juniper
also using execute on prot now doesnt feel as satisfying
strong forum
it is sadder now ye
but the aura fix and the +30% buff made it more bareable than it was last week of beta
mighty valley
banner playstyle was a lotta things stacked on top of each other, would've taken too much talent real estate tbh
drifting juniper
what was wrong with banner tho, so many specs have good covenant abilities
strong forum
it was not popular enough across the entire xpac idk
mighty valley
they couldn't really make a talent called "sl s3-4 banner playstyle"
uneven mason
You couldn't maintain 100% uptime until S3 right
strong forum
we got 1/4
strong forum
You couldn't maintain 100% uptime until S3 right
ye
peak cypress
Any interesting crafted stuff for prot?
uneven mason
And S1 banner was complete ass
mighty valley
i keep seeing comments on prot youtube videos being like "it's weird to not press spear any more." the knowledge didn't spread far enough
drifting juniper
but our tier set is already there, we could still have decent banner uptime
uneven mason
S2 banner was if you had 2 DPS who could play optimally around it
mighty valley
banner wasn't really a playstyle anyway tbh, it was just an enormous reward for playing right anyway
prisma crane
we got 1/4
all they had to do is allow TR to knockdown and it'd be a better version of NF ability so it's somewhat a 2/4
uneven mason
🤘
drifting juniper
i'm not a prot player that played it for years, i just played it on last season of shadowlands before pre patch and i did it almost perfect all the time, but this season it came boring to me
uneven mason
K
drifting juniper
i think people who played before banner dont have much problems now
strong forum
it do be like that sometime
olive steeple
DH got 3/4
I think it’s because dh didn’t really have as many play styles and abilities to draw upon
prisma crane
i mean if you played end of legion it wasnt much different, banner playstyle was just high rage AM feeding, which wasn't new when banner became meta
drifting juniper
for example blessing of seasons on holy paladin never saw any play for entirerty of shadowlands and now they are forcing people to playing it while they remove ashen
prisma crane
and before that in WoD warrior (esp glad warr) were still highest APM class
mighty valley
yeah at 70 we honestly don't play that different
drifting juniper
i dont think their design is very good tbh
uneven mason
Argus prot.....
mighty valley
we're still pressing a lot of buttons in AOE with bloodsurge rage income
drifting juniper
as i said i only played prot on last season of Sl and learned to play here
this chat i mean
mighty valley
charge weaving is just less dramatic and we don't intervene
uneven mason
this chat i mean
This guy gets it
prisma crane
personally i like not having to constantly play the mini game of banner, but it's not like we're miles slower now, certainly wont be once we just get back to the end of xpac haste levels again
blazing condor
pre patch banner was dope
proud dock
does it mattter wat 1hand i make via crafting? any difference between axe, mace, sword?
blazing condor
brainless to have 100%
strong forum
does it mattter wat 1hand i make via crafting? any difference between axe, mace,...
only cosmetic
proud dock
only cosmetic
ty
drifting juniper
it was more interactive and kept me on my toes but now i can play the spec while fazing in and out and letting muscle memory do the job
i can write a novel while tanking a key with prot now
prisma crane
someone who can talk to ppl at blizz, pls just let us have all weapons have the option to back sheath, plz and ty
prisma crane
it was more interactive and kept me on my toes but now i can play the spec while...
interactive? i disagree, but sure you just have to be unrelenting before
lol
tbf they've added a lot of QoL things
i feel like that one should be one of them
mighty valley
you could honestly replicate the banner experience by faking the timer as a WA, the incentives are all exactly the same
prisma crane
there's already a million things that clip so i dont see that being an issue
prisma crane
you could honestly replicate the banner experience by faking the timer as a WA, ...
pretty much exactly this
thats why i said it's not interactive
lusty tiger
thats why i want to see how high i can get shield block
prisma crane
you're supposed to play that way w/ or w/o banner anyways
mighty valley
shield block has a boring old cap
unless they removed it? i've been playing as if it exists
lusty tiger
it is there
drifting juniper
i am just hoping for some sort of borrowed poweer in next patches
i am not enjoying my classes
lusty tiger
):
prisma crane
^
mighty valley
all power is borrowed from blizzard
prisma crane
there's always going to be that guy i guess
lusty tiger
i am just hoping for some sort of borrowed poweer in next patches
what were you thinking? any ideas in mind?
uneven mason
Borrowed power can just stay gone
prisma crane
that's the hot take you shouldve made when you wanted to run away after you posted
mighty valley
we're gonna get more complex tier sets next patch, that's borrowed power (good) and not borrowed power (bad) according to the community
uneven mason
Like more exciting tier sets
sturdy sable
If we dont end up crafting ourselves a legendary ill eat my hat
prisma crane
we're gonna get more complex tier sets next patch, that's borrowed power (good) ...
borrowed power from tier tends to augment playstyle rather than being the actual source of all power gains and why it doesnt feel as bad to lose
plus it's on a MUCH shorter cycle
which i think matters
uneven mason
Tier sets Sure. an external system that artificially props up the gameplay and will vanish after the X-Pac, no
mighty valley
the "borrowed power" era was a solution to a problem that they're just going to run into again in a few expansions tbh
drifting juniper
i couldnt get my point through
prisma crane
but, that doesnt mean there arent better ways to handle it
drifting juniper
i mean instead of meta definers i rather every class can be op when played right and time put into it
lusty tiger
best borrowed power = Uhr
prisma crane
when all things are OP, nothing is OP, that's just how it works
drifting juniper
so everyone who like the aesthetics of their classs and lore can also play it into high levels of content
lusty tiger
and shrouded at the end of a dungeon
mighty valley
perfect balance is an impossible dream
lyric valley
before DF was announced with a new levelcap, my hot take was "I would be okay if every expansion we get set to 50 and level to 60 again, so we don't run into the same problem again"
drifting juniper
Not perfect balance, let me xplain
prisma crane
to your follow up statement, i do agree that i think that focusing harder on visuals and how things feel will ultimately keep players around more i think, having ways to change how your class plays is fun
drifting juniper
during legion i could do all the contents i liked at very high level on my ret despite meta or not but they make some changes that certain level of keys or how easy it is for you to find guild becomes very hard
old sinew
Legion was GOAT people just pretend the systems were bad because they are mad about the lack of good content in BFA or SL. DF will be a rude awakening for people who think removing systems will stop their boredom of lack of content
drifting juniper
i never get invited as ret to any key despite my dps and at high levels like shadowlands i couldnt do higher keys no matter how i played
third boss of plaguefall if casted her spell 2 times in a row i would die
lyric valley
so everyone who like the aesthetics of their classs and lore can also play it in...
I mean, everything is already viable for +20s and Cutting Edge
it might not be optimal and get you there fast, but it's viable
prisma crane
biggest misstep of SL imho was not allowing the covenants to just be pure cosmetic and COMPLETELY augmenting how our spells and abilities feel or look, could have been completely awesome and you can let the art team (the one that RARELY fails) to really shine
lyric valley
i never get invited as ret to any key despite my dps and at high levels like sha...
did you try pushing your own key?
old sinew
If it takes 8 months to release 10.1 mark my words we will all agree that DFs plot is bad and that the mechanics of the expansion are bad even though the problem is contents
drifting juniper
mate, i always push keys no matter what but the meta in general is a bad thing and in legion they harnessed it somehow
prisma crane
you're fighting human nature if you insist on both pugging and playing something way off meta
drifting juniper
sure we had classes that were better but some classes werent so bad that you only had to do one specific class
just adress yourself to survival hunter of last patch of shadowlands, nothing even came close
prisma crane
balance was better in SL than Legion the fuck you mean?
its just that players min max more and more as we go on
lusty tiger
what does borrowed power have anything to do with not being able to push keys on your ret?
grave crane
Yeah pugs generally only want meta classes even though there’s a high likelihood they will be flavor of the month Andys
old sinew
what does borrowed power have anything to do with not being able to push keys on...
Because borrowed power is a buzz word
lyric valley
mate, i always push keys no matter what but the meta in general is a bad thing a...
I wasn't asking whether your were pushing keys
I asked whether you pushed your OWN key, you know, list your own key in the LFG tool and invite people, instead of crying about not getting invited
prisma crane
i loved legion, but let's not pretend like it was more balanced than SL
old sinew
Buzz word bad
drifting juniper
with curroptiui0on for example i had a complete set for doing high keys with high haste and mastery for low keys, it allowed diffrent playstyles
mighty valley
i agree that the community gets really stupid about meta-following but there's only so much blizzard can do about that, the best thing you can do is play with a consistent group of people with non-gamer brains
lusty tiger
with curroptiui0on for example i had a complete set for doing high keys with hig...
fixed w shrouded
prisma crane
and generally people liked corruption, the issue came down to acquisition, not the corruption itself
heavy temple
You do realise that we have borrowed power this tier already lol
blazing condor
not blizzards fault people are metaslaving and FOTMing. Its because the average player listens to the opinions of people talking about 0.001% content
prisma crane
i agree that the community gets really stupid about meta-following but there's o...
exactly, this is why i said you cant push high, play non meta, and pug, you have to pick only 2 of those 3
heavy temple
not blizzards fault people are metaslaving and FOTMing. Its because the average ...
Yes it is.
prisma crane
Yes it is.
it really isnt
mighty valley
sick argument going on here
blazing condor
everyone is viable at 99,9% of all content
lyric valley
Yes it is.
the powergap should be smaller, but no, definitely not blizzards fault
drifting juniper
aside from power gap its also about how that power is used and by how much skill and effort
mighty valley
tanks were insanely balanced in s2 shadowlands but no one was inviting prot warriors to pugs
heavy temple
it really isnt
It's the game devs job to make make available playstyles fun. Including min maxing
drifting juniper
sometimes classes with almost no effort produce the best outcome and how is that good in your opinion
lyric valley
It's the game devs job to make make available playstyles fun. Including min maxi...
minmaxers are having fun by playing the best class, so they succeeded
uneven mason
Yes it is.
It's blizzards fault people are lemmings who can't stop and think for themselves for 10 seconds?
prisma crane
It's the game devs job to make make available playstyles fun. Including min maxi...
they all were, better than ever actually, but LITERAL interchangeability is impossible so there will ALWAYS be a best, devs cant stop players from playing around that
mighty valley
min maxing should be fun, but you should be able to pick whatever you want while min maxing and get an equal outcome?
prisma crane
lmao the absurdity isnt lost there
lyric valley
min maxing should be fun, but you should be able to pick whatever you want while...
then post your own keys, that way you get into 100% of the keys you want
don't cry about the problem, be the solution
prisma crane
then post your own keys, that way you get into 100% of the keys you want
these people (not Harrow) don't want to do that, they dont ever take agency of their own situations
mighty valley
what are you talking about, i'm pointing out the absurdity of the argument, not crying about balance
i don't even pug, i just play with my guild
lyric valley
yo jordan peterson, calm down
dont compare me to that prick
heavy temple
It's blizzards fault people are lemmings who can't stop and think for themselves...
Yes. Just cap reputation gains at x per week, make super rares weekly. And most min max problems are fixed.
mighty valley
and push as high as we can with our awful comps
prisma crane
ok now i know you're just a troll
lyric valley
Yes. Just cap reputation gains at x per week, make super rares weekly. And most ...
just make the game worse for casuals so min maxing is harder and less fun?
mighty valley
??? what are we talking about, min-maxing for these two weeks is gonna be absolutely blasted out of the water after the season starts
heavy temple
just make the game worse for casuals so min maxing is harder and less fun?
How is it less fun for casuals if you can only farm e.g. 8k wrathion rep a week?
prisma crane
??? what are we talking about, min-maxing for these two weeks is gonna be absolu...
it's why i said he's just trolling at this point
strong forum
if you cap rewards at a weekly thing you automatically make it feel like a chore because you HAVE to cap it weekly
otherwise youre missing out
leaving grinds open without a slowdown is what makes you feel like you dont have to rush it
oblique garnet
^
drifting juniper
my point for borrowed power was that the more variants that goes into this equation can have diffrent outcomes and playstyles, this talent system while being very shiny and good looking is gonna come down to one dominant build on some dominant classes taht everyone follows
strong forum
cuz you never miss out
drifting juniper
it takes creativity and personal touch out of everything
lyric valley
How is it less fun for casuals if you can only farm e.g. 8k wrathion rep a week?
by making them stop when they wanna continue playing the game
heavy temple
if you cap rewards at a weekly thing you automatically make it feel like a chore...
Hmm, true. But is a 26ilvl upgrade after 40k rep so much better?
prisma crane
if you cap rewards at a weekly thing you automatically make it feel like a chore...
only way around that is to have you be able to retroactively catch up, but even then it'll feel insurmountable at a point, uncapped is the best option, let degens be degens and be done with it
drifting juniper
and the gap between classes is actually what causes the meta shift not people being brainless
strong forum
its entirely up to the player
mighty valley
hmm, without any weekly caps the effective cap is "maxed asap" for a certain type of brain
strong forum
wrathion rep is only for the ultra sweaties to grind
oblique garnet
Hmm, true. But is a 26ilvl upgrade after 40k rep so much better?
Literally not necessary
strong forum
and is invalidated in 1 week
like
its a tiny fucking temporary gain
nothing more nothing less
jagged pier
☝️
lyric valley
there could be a 0.1 dps difference and people would still metaslave
minor helm
Ur mental for the season will thank you for not grinding it
mighty valley
yeah people are very stressed out about items that will be invalidated by like.... end of dungeon loot from a +5 or whatever
drifting juniper
No, blaming people is not the way to go no matter how much you like to do it
blizzard is at fault because they are the power of this system and can define it and help the culture of the game
if people are stupid why make it worse
heavy temple
Literally not necessary
I'm not saying it is necessary.
lyric valley
if people are stupid why make it worse
how would you make it better?
oblique garnet
Ur mental for the season will thank you for not grinding it
im currently 351
lyric valley
obviously not by closing the damage gap, because people would still metaslave
drifting juniper
i would make every class viable to every player
lyric valley
it already is
drifting juniper
the defenition of what i said is that make the system to be rewarding on effort
minor helm
<:yep:703420923625078804> im currently 351
And u own
jagged pier
so u want 3 classes then
strong forum
literally an impossible task
jagged pier
because thats what your describing
lyric valley
also "I would make everything viable"
even if they weren't, how the fuck would you do that
mighty valley
every spec is absolutely going to clear mythic raid and blast past +20s when all the rewards stop, why should blizzard care about balance being any better than that
drifting juniper
like if you have a warrior you should have for example 3 builds, 1 simple, 2 moderate and one hard
heavy temple
I agree, it is not reasonable, but the shit I saw people do for tiny power gains... but maybe there is no way to control it.
strong forum
you cant control it
jagged pier
like if you have a warrior you should have for example 3 builds, 1 simple, 2 mod...
so 4 builds
not 3
drifting juniper
with the hard one yielding best results but needing massive stat balance and skill to use
so that for minmaxers
jagged pier
but we have that now
oblique garnet
Well when people are watching whatever rwf people are doing and expecting their wr10k players do the same its just entirely up to the playerbase
jagged pier
min maxers can get far more out of the standard build than new ppl can with prot now
🤷
mighty valley
ok, so they develop entire "easy" specs that no one who's dedicated enough to check a discord would ever play, ever
lyric valley
with the hard one yielding best results but needing massive stat balance and sk...
alright, but then only the hard one gets played, because everyone metaslaves and plays the hard one
drifting juniper
by being very good at your own class you being able to compete with anyone, rather than changing your cclass to survival hunter and using bombs on cd and pushing much higher keys than b etter players
mighty valley
survival and locks in end of SL was egregious but people meta slave even when the gap is much much smaller than that
lyric valley
you can already make a boomkin build without boomkin form, so you can already do worse builds that might be easier
strong forum
s3 and s4 of SL were the most insanely unbalanced seasons in wow history probably
with 2 dps and 1 tank leading by a landslide
uneven mason
"lets use an extreme example to prove my point"
strong forum
and blizzard doing fuckall about it
AND DESPITE THAT
you could still achieve it all
jagged pier
WoD 'cough' hfc 'cough'
strong forum
with every spec in the game
mighty valley
survival deserved one insane season after everything they've been through
jagged pier
survival hunter was under tank damage
mighty valley
now get back in the basement
lyric valley
by being very good at your own class you being able to compete with anyone, rath...
so everyone plays the class that's doing the most damage when played on the hardest build, good job, nothing changed
strong forum
CE, r1 m+ title, r1 pvp title (maybe that one not so much)
minor helm
survival deserved one insane season after everything they've been through
No hunters deserve to have a bad time
drifting juniper
ok then, you are right my example was very exterme
uneven mason
CN RWF for most unbalanced
drifting juniper
but tell me this, why the best spec is always easy to rotate to and many people do it and get success with it
and dont you think that helps meta slaving?
oblique garnet
Because the game is easy
strong forum
^
oblique garnet
All classes are easy
jagged pier
☝️
lyric valley
there really is no hard class
oblique garnet
If you think otherwise thats on your end
strong forum
wow is not a hard game
uneven mason
and dont you think that helps meta slaving?
Because lemmings exist
strong forum
people are just bad
gritty swallow
Literally press 5-6 buttons and you’ve achieved ability to do most content
oblique garnet
If you take your time to read what your abilities do and bind them to buttons that make sense you will do fine
jagged pier
pwar any expansion since like legion
strong forum
and even that was just "hard"
jagged pier
well yer
lyric valley
let's say, in your perfect world:
UH dk with its thousand CDs and 3 resources does the highest damage
while BM hunter does the lowest
you think worse players would just play BM hunter at a good level instead of chasing the meta and failing at UH?
strong forum
and quit it
uneven mason
Statistics are funny because you get a his thing called confirmation bias when you deal with meta curves
mighty valley
UH DK is a funny example since it's historically had an extremely flat skill curve lmao
oblique garnet
^
drifting juniper
not for majority of players it is not easy, take critcake and qrva group for xample, they played out of meta but they had insane mastery over their classes and specs and they played premade with same people for i think around 3 years? but they would get locked behind people around with less skill and effort than them due to meta gap, they even opted for meta during last season. if meta forces people to change without any work around its very bad
lyric valley
I don't play lots of characters, I just picked an example I thought would fit, oopsy
uneven mason
It also perpetuates omittance bias
strong forum
but ye the point you tried to make is correct
drifting juniper
not having a work around is very bad, you need to have things in your disposal that are unorthodox to use to get past some obstacles in the game
and no the new talent system is not that, more varatiies in the whole thing
strong forum
those obstacles are player made
best example is sense
pwar considered garbage by many players
lusty tiger
sprinkling in borrowed powers doesn't magically fill in the gaps of underperforming specs
drifting juniper
it gives you work around, corruption gave us many work arounds
lyric valley
it gives you work around, corruption gave us many work arounds
even with corruption there was a meta, what are you talking about
mighty valley
there needs to be some kind of government program where every gamer has to do a year of service as a game designer
mighty valley
so everyone stops saying "they should simply do X"
strong forum
i understand the point you make neon but we'd never come into agreement
uneven mason
Sense owns
I'm suspicious of sense
strong forum
it is absolutely easier to fluke your way into "high keys" with a "meta spec" with less effort and knowledge
but youre not barred from anything because you dont play it
oblique garnet
You wanna know how meta comes to play?
People do keys with geared characters from raid community sees oh they did 20s or whatever with x comp = meta starts slowly forming
Then mdi or tgp or w/e tournament comes along
lyric valley
so everyone stops saying "they should simply do X"
I studied Game development, but even I'm guilty of that
"why don't they remove PI so the best 2 specs aren't 10% ahead of everyone else and then just do weekly tuning by nerfing the nr 1 dps by 10%, the nr 2 by 9% and so on, while buffing the lowest dps by 10%, the second lowest by 9%"
oblique garnet
And meta changes because you have option to choose and play different comps with full gear
strong forum
^
wow meta is often times just a huge wave of bandwagoning
best example
SL s2
when everybody sucked off bear + venthyr pally
drifting juniper
i dont have a problem with that. i only think that pointing fingers at players while completly lifting blame from blizzard is bullshit because we just had the worst player drop during shadowlands while pandemic was going on and even dead games were restored to life for a time and they milked the shit out of arthaas and sylvanas and big characters
strong forum
and along comes andy with prot pally + kyrian rsham
mighty valley
I studied Game development, but even I'm guilty of that
"why don't they remove P...
because casting a buff that makes your friends fast is sick and blizzard has goals for the game they have to serve beyond "every spec should output the same damage in all situations"....... which is also impossible to achieve
strong forum
and gets r1 and towers over literally everybody by a good margin
unborn rampart
I have one weapon with optimal stats, vers/haste and another with crit mastery but is +4 ilvls. Which should I use?
unborn rampart
Ok thx
sick sentinel
lyric valley
because casting a buff that makes your friends fast is sick and blizzard has goa...
we can't change what blizzard will do to PI or not, so let's just agree to disagree
I just think that the problem that PI causes blows every upside it might have out of the water
strong forum
s1 everybody sucked off vdh, later bear
sick sentinel
works for me, game keeps giviing me shields
strong forum
meanwhile andy comes along
plays pwar which was according to community the worst and unplayable tank
gets #2 world rio tank before he quits pushing, ends up at #6 total
uneven mason
Who's andy
strong forum
Andybrew former Pieces tank, now Method
mighty valley
i dont have a problem with that. i only think that pointing fingers at players w...
SL was content-light and had the biggest average gaps between patches in the game's history, probably largely driven by having to shift to working from home. which in turn made players more likely to publicly gripe about all the little things they didn't like. it's very simple - whenever there's big gaps in things to do, players leave
and the ones who stay turn more negative, which turns more players away
severe hatch
Has anyone tested whether BV is fixed after maintenance?
uneven mason
Not sure anyone cares
mighty valley
we can't change what blizzard will do to PI or not, so let's just agree to disag...
if you remove the relatively small portion of the playerbase who cares about logs and parsing etc out of the occasion, what are the major problems with PI?
severe hatch
Seems a little unnecessarily hostile but ok
mighty valley
one person said they tested BV in a dummy situation and it was fixed. but that's not exactly science
strong forum
PI is toxic because everybody wants it for themselves
its a never ending "yo can i get PI" in raid
every raid, every night
all the time
compact jackal
yo, I'm the tank, can I get pi?
strong forum
cuz getting a 25% haste buff for 20seconds, who could believe it, is extremely fun
or however much haste it is
a disgusting amount to be sure
lyric valley
if you remove the relatively small portion of the playerbase who cares about log...
"the vast majority doesn't care about X" shouldn't be a thing anymore, since we know that it doesn't work like that, there is no vast majority in WoW
otherwise, I could ask you, "If you remove the small percentage of players that think PI is cool, why should we keep it, when it makes the game worse for everyone else?"
strong forum
and priest being the only healer having access to it is also toxic
severe hatch
one person said they tested BV in a dummy situation and it was fixed. but that's...
Appreciate you
drifting juniper
Andybrew former Pieces tank, now Method
you told me i am using extreme Examples to prove my point and i said a group of people faced such obstacles because their classes couldnt go further and there was no work around. borrowed power in forms of diffrent legendaries or curroption or even things like azertie over conduit can allow any player or group to work around something in their own class, in bfa ret had bad toolkit for tyra weeks but we had 2 or 3 curroption builds at late expansion that allowed us to shift based on situation
or during legion we had cheat death legendary for example which didnt result in your dps becoming completly wet noodle
craggy pilot
who was the guy who was stacking Crit on PWar in Shadowlands? 🤔 remember him being fairly vocal in here 😄
strong forum
you told me i am using extreme Examples to prove my point and i said a group of ...
everybody had equal access to corruptions in the end, it would just enable other specs just as much as ret, it wouldnt just magically make ret any better
or in the case of firemage and BM hunter
it made them even crazier
it couldnt balance anything out
or made you suddenly "any more viable" than before
oblique garnet
Warlocks were also completely broken in bfa m+ but hardly anyone played them
With corruption
strong forum
yeah
lyric valley
you told me i am using extreme Examples to prove my point and i said a group of ...
no matter how much power there is, there is still a best class and a best spec
mighty valley
"the vast majority doesn't care about X" shouldn't be a thing anymore, since we ...
what? when you're designing something in a game, you do have to consider how it would affect various different audiences, and the data shows that the audience of cutting edge raiders is small compared to everyone else
oblique garnet
Ofc
strong forum
sjele did some dumb stuff with demo in ST
oblique garnet
Wrong
strong forum
factually correct
lyric valley
what? when you're designing something in a game, you do have to consider how it ...
but the problem doesn't exist only for cutting edge players, the weekly dps charts that we get from wowhead for example affect a lot of people by throwing balance out of wack even worse than before
craggy pilot
how much worse would i be off if i stacked Crit+Vers instead of Haste+Vers 🤔
mighty valley
but the problem doesn't exist only for cutting edge players, the weekly dps char...
wowhead audience is a drop in the bucket compared to total wow playerbase
craggy pilot
Crit only for Physical defense
strong forum
haste is just good period
tender cove
Why not haste/crit ?
craggy pilot
Why not haste/crit ?
thats a gigachad way of thinking
strong forum
but for absolute pure ST dmg, crit/vers tend to be stronger than haste+X
haste was always the better aoe stat
mighty valley
ideally no one would draw any conclusions from the weekly dps charts at all anyway, absolutely dead brained way to interact with a video game
lyric valley
ideally no one would draw any conclusions from the weekly dps charts at all anyw...
yes it is, but players are always gonna metaslave, we established that
strong forum
that would require people to want to put any thought into what theyre doing
but reality is
not alot people want to do that
with anything
craggy pilot
if i go crit+haste i can also play Arms offspec 😄
strong forum
they prefer the cheat sheet and just copy paste
mighty valley
yes and we also came to the conclusion that blizzard shouldn't design and balance based around what metaslave type players are perceiving lmao
craggy pilot
that sounds like the play tbh
grave crane
Talking about thinking in a warrior discord come on now
craggy pilot
will i be worse off for tanking if i stack 0 vers 🤔
strong forum
yes blizz shouldnt design around meta slaving
lean gale
Are the ingi wrist worth to craft for prot
grave crane
Press your buttons and do more damage easy
strong forum
blizz should however keep an eye on over and underperformers
and make the classes fun
first and foremost
mighty valley
yeah the last one is the most important
lyric valley
almost every player that isn't one of the 2 specs that get PI all the time is affected by PIs problems, not just the people that read up on balance
grave crane
Tbh I think they did that with the talent redesigns
oblique garnet
But fun and feel isnt necessarily the best performing spec 🙂
strong forum
it aint no, but it goes a long way to prevent somebody from thinking "i should reroll cuz i pretend it would get me further towards my goal and not make me clinically depressed to play the best performing spec"
oblique garnet
Ofc
strong forum
but humans do be stupid
oblique garnet
Because people no longer play for fun
strong forum
which is insane to me in itself
oblique garnet
Theres some dumb notion at the back of the peoples head that w/e game they play they could go pro and make a career out of the game
strong forum
i never have and never will understand meta chasing
oblique garnet
Which leads them to get frustrated
loud patrol
Theres some dumb notion at the back of the peoples head that w/e game they play ...
thats my hope then i learn i only play warrior
tender cove
i never have and never will understand meta chasing
Nobody wants to realize they are worse then they themselves believe and to cope they blame it on the class they play. Instead of you know, just getting better.
loud patrol
Nobody wants to realize they are worse then they themselves believe and to cope ...
true i was like this
strong forum
Nobody wants to realize they are worse then they themselves believe and to cope ...
also insane to me
coral fable
i play meta because it gets pretty boring to me to play the same class for too long, so every patch i change tanks to make the game fresh again
tender cove
true i was like this
I've never chased meta specs but I had to learn the hard way going into cata I wasn't as good as I thought lol.
pallid quiver
i never have and never will understand meta chasing
I can understand picking top tier stuff for directly competitive stuff, in my end the people who pick top tiers in fighting games, since there winning is specifically your end goal and it can be varied even with people picking the top end stuff (exceptions exist), but in like, M+?
I don't fully understand tbh
strong forum
swapping mains for the sake of swapping cuz youre bored is absolutely valid
pallid quiver
I think it's a way to have people boost their own egos since they know they're playing "right" or some shit
loud patrol
i always swap between warrior and monk tank but monk tank is awful
strong forum
fuck it, let people do what they want idk
sturdy sable
I've never chased meta specs but I had to learn the hard way going into cata I w...
Lol those cata heroics were a real reality check
strong forum
who am i to judge
oblique garnet
we play the game for fun
pallid quiver
I don't find desperately chasing meta, particularly in WoW, fun, I don't understand how it's fun, and I think a lot of the attitudes people that do chase have are anti-fun and actively reduce fun in the overall community
I legitimately could not give a fuck if people want to chase meta or play top tier comps or whatever
just don't go be an asshat about it or at least thing about it in some way, shape, or form
tender cove
Fun is a very subjective thing, specially in wow.
oblique garnet
I cant really say anything about not playing fotm as i just almost exclusively play w/e my guild wants me to play
modern brook
smh its all a matter of goals and expectations
if im in a 15+ and you're learning your route
wiat nvm
different convo
people rerolling to anything besides warrior are dumb
pallid quiver
^^^^
pallid quiver
And we're already dumb as fuck; we don't even have an int stat
tender cove
Who misses putting on int gear to level weapon skills faster? xD
pallid quiver
I missed having 32 int in Pandaland
While my mage friend was rocking literally like, tens of thousands of int or something
past citrus
Does anybody have the glad stance talent tree?
tender cove
Does anybody have the glad stance talent tree?
The what now? I do miss glad spec even if it was crappy implemented.
jade tartan
Guys, is the Alacritous Alchemist Stone worth it ?
loud patrol
its decent
jade tartan
Can it be constantly upgraded tho ?
loud patrol
ye
past citrus
The what now? I do miss glad spec even if it was crappy implemented.
I've seen on the forums some people have been using a build where shield slam absolutely obliterates. Was wondering what it was.
for PvP
lethal tree
Does anybody have the glad stance talent tree?
just copy his talents. Though personally mines not 100% the same, but this is the person that came up with it https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/bleeding-hollow/abombanation
hot maple
are armor spikes on gear crafting worthwhile?
mighty valley
I have to go to a meeting but my final petty stance on the PI thing is… when I was 3 years old, I thought it was really unfair when it was my brother’s birthday and he got presents and I didn’t. The solution to that design problem wasn’t to abolish birthdays, it was to grow up
lyric valley
I have to go to a meeting but my final petty stance on the PI thing is… when I w...
If that was my problem I would just play a class that gets PI, but my problem isn't that I don't get PI and someone else does, it's that PI exists
mighty valley
One of our priests just yells “roll for PI” during trash and the winner gets it
It’s funny
Except the times when there’s a hard dps check and it goes on a top performing player with the best gear
And everyone is an adult about it
lyric valley
the whole fighting over PI is not important to me
my problem is that while PI exists, there can never be balance and there will always be the spec that is 10% ahead of the others
and in my eyes balance is more important than "haha roll for PI funneh"
pallid quiver
I have to go to a meeting but my final petty stance on the PI thing is… when I w...
i think the solution is, in fact, to abolish birthdays
no more people allowed to be born, begin the extinction of all life
entire solar system must go
lyric valley
at least balance in the sense that the nr 1 spot shouldn't be 10% better than everybody else
perfect balance will never exist
mighty valley
Warlock gates allow entire mechanics to be ignored which massively increases dps, but they don’t show up on a chart, so no one wants it to be removed
lyric valley
in my eyes a warlock portal is a clever use of mechanics while PI is "hurrdurr DPS goes up", if that makes me a hypocrite then so be it
also the whole point is invalid since everyone gets to use the warlock portal
mighty valley
Like you said you’re not upset about a thing you’re experiencing, you’re upset because there’s a chart out there
lyric valley
not just the 1 person that gets the best value out of it
lyric valley
Like you said you’re not upset about a thing you’re experiencing, you’re upset b...
yes, but there will always be a chart
that's not something you can change
mighty valley
I don’t look at the chart
odd tree
Except the times when there’s a hard dps check and it goes on a top performing p...
this. i raid as arms. if PI comes up during execute phase the priest will shout it out, 9/10 times i get it.
modern brook
Honestly if u care that much about pi and aren't playing a class that gets pi'd u don't care that much about pi
odd tree
or i pass if another high geared top dps'er has CDs ready and i'm out
lyric valley
I don’t look at the chart
you still suffer from other people looking at the chart of the wacky balance
mighty valley
Do I? I play with cool peopl
lyric valley
I do too, doesn't keep me from wanting better balance in the game I play
mighty valley
Limit Max just did a psa that people should stop drawing any conclusions at all from wowhead dps charts
Balance is a goal to have, one they strive for somewhat, but it’s not the only consideration
Also consider: it feels good to give a friend a buff, and cool to receive a power infusion, and that fun isn’t worth removing because it’s hurting feelings in their eyes
lyric valley
I disagree
mellow quartz
There are wowhead dps charts for DF?
lyric valley
I think it's worth removing PI
small iris
Hey folks, BV talent still bugged since reset?
mellow quartz
Yes
lyric valley
There are wowhead dps charts for DF?
no, but the future ones will have the exact same problem as the ones before
chrome falcon
is there some crazy new PI thing that i've missed
mighty valley
Play with cooler people imo
chrome falcon
that justifies the sheer amount of, to be totally honest, pissbaby whining i've been seeing lately
mellow quartz
It’s just stats from wlogs. Everyone knows people cheese the fuck out of parses 🤷♂️
lyric valley
Play with cooler people imo
as I said, I play with cool people, I still want better balance
pallid quiver
It’s just stats from wlogs. Everyone knows people cheese the fuck out of parses ...
don't you mock the parsing game
that's the real man's game
pallid quiver
is there some crazy new PI thing that i've missed
I think it just kinda got mentioned as an offshoot of a talk about how people feel about playing for meta
and then it spiraled into this
mighty valley
Weren’t you just on the side of arguing that chasing a balanced meta is an impossible and pointless dream
mellow quartz
It’s very simple. If people perceive your class to be good you get invited more. End of story really.
sand torrent
or just everybody should start not giving a shit and playing with there friends whatever they want ?
modern brook
I like pi I think it's a cool tool for a raid to have to deal with different damage checks without committing a lust 
chrome falcon
idk man my experience of the game isn't made worse by Mr ManyDemons getting a haste buff sometimes
lyric valley
Weren’t you just on the side of arguing that chasing a balanced meta is an impos...
and nothing I've said has contradicted that, I'm not arguing for perfect balance, I'm arguing against nr 1 being 10% ahead of nr 2
chrome falcon
the literal only concern i have about PI is shadow priests feeling forced to use their dps CD for someone else
other than that it's all good
patent quiver
Kinda weird to see the PI debate here but my stance as an SPriest before I started tanking is that I hate it. Spec can never be good damage on it's own when it's also giving out as much damage as PI gives
mellow quartz
Shadow priests get it themselves also now
modern brook
the literal only concern i have about PI is shadow priests feeling forced to use...
Dont they get it as well?
chrome falcon
then that's fine
mellow quartz
They do
chrome falcon
idk man do i look like i play priest
mighty valley
they’re not 10% ahead, the priest just brings a good raid damage buff
chrome falcon
this is the first time i've been in here since DF launch
modern brook
idk man do i look like i play priest
I don't assume
patent quiver
If Shadow was even the 5th best DPS in the game and brought PI they would be broken
patent quiver
and that's my issue with it. The spec has to suck because it has PI/Twins
lyric valley
and that's my issue with it. The spec has to suck because it has PI/Twins
that's also a problem
chrome falcon
aura buff spriest, yeet PI
modern brook
Priests don't deserve damage tbh they rolled priest
chrome falcon
also true and real
lyric valley
Spriest can NEVER be nr 1 dps spot, because they have PI
modern brook
Huge skill check fail on the rip
loud patrol
i wonder if i can get to +20 with a group of warriors
modern brook
Yes
pallid quiver
blowing up on my alchemy table
oh my fucking god i'm secretly trying to become matta
same
patent quiver
Spriest can NEVER be nr 1 dps spot, because they have PI
oh yeah if SPriest is the best DPS for a tier this expac every WF guild will be 1 Mage 1 DH 12 Priests
chrome falcon
alchemy in this expansion is absolutely hideous
pallid quiver
it sucks so much
chrome falcon
i'm on 3 consecutive first-roll blowups
pallid quiver
I was on a streak of 9
lyric valley
oh yeah if SPriest is the best DPS for a tier this expac every WF guild will be ...
maybe a warlock for portals, but other than that, accurate
chrome falcon
i've rolled basically on CD ever since they fixed it
and i've discovered 5 recipes total
pallid quiver
and then i got like 25 successes and learned almost every phial recipe; definitely all phials i care about
loud patrol
alchemy in this expansion is absolutely hideous
its wotlk alchemy but we broke its legs, put acid on its eyes and waterboarded it
mellow quartz
When you get the things that reset your 4h CD I am so happy lol
chrome falcon
i have literally thousands of herbs in my bags that i simply cannot use because RNG is slamming me
i've had literally one Liquid Courage
which i got on a first roll explosion
drank that
patent quiver
maybe a warlock for portals, but other than that, accurate
Might even just play Veng to fit the warlock in
chrome falcon
exploded on my first roll after that
mellow quartz
Had maybe 5 or 6
pallid quiver
that being said the phials and potions actually feel neat once you get past super death herpetitisyphilis land
mellow quartz
At level 75 or 80 now
chrome falcon
i have 75 alch skill
pallid quiver
10/10 definitely how i started
chrome falcon
never had more than 2 successes in a row
pallid quiver
I'm... actually at 96 after that one good RNG streak I had
chrome falcon
setting alarms in the night to do an experiment and instantly explode
pallid quiver
I feel so bad for anyone who got fucked
mighty valley
Why doesn’t alch get the craft orders quest
mellow quartz
I am not even trying to level it
still tree
for best dps in prot, mastery or fire proc on the primal turtle shell?
pallid quiver
setting alarms in the night to do an experiment and instantly explode
bruh i know this feeling way too much
chrome falcon
Why doesn’t alch get the craft orders quest
because wtf are you going to craft
pallid quiver
I've just dipped from playing other games with friends to be like "brb gotta commit suicide real fast"
mighty valley
idk. potions?
chrome falcon
they have to be bop
mighty valley
what else do you freaks do
mellow quartz
Potions or phials lol
mighty valley
make bop potions
pallid quiver
The higher tier primary stat potions are BoP 🙂
chrome falcon
almost nothing alch does it bop
mellow quartz
There is that potion of power
pallid quiver
Also, technically Stones 🙂
loud patrol
but u gonna get flooded in orders for that
mighty valley
they could’ve slapped on trinkets or crafting equipment or whatever
chrome falcon
there are trinkets
but not enough to make blizz think you can do 5 crafting orders
not that you can do 5 crafting orders for basically any proff anyway atm
mighty valley
yeah mostly been trading shit back and forth to friends
chrome falcon
yep
mighty valley
well, I learned to do the +1 knowledge books, those are in demand
chrome falcon
yeah those are pretty much the only thing
mighty valley
people keep posting dragon armor that literally no one can do
mighty valley
Can only read one book a week
loud patrol
aw
mighty valley
Just like in real life 🙂
Last night a lot of people were weirdly desperate to read and were giving 1k commissions per book
which ain’t nothing
loud patrol
greedy
modern brook
Just like in real life 🙂
One book a week is significantly higher than my avg over the last decade
stark dagger
How are you guys feeling about choosing prot? Mobility feels really good
mighty valley
Prot forever
modern brook
Feels warrior 
loud patrol
which isn’t great as a writer/narrative designer
nah the stories i make on my head are way better
chrome falcon
ok so
i literally haven't absorbed any info on what i'm actually meant to be doing
in this expansion
loud patrol
i just do all
chrome falcon
should i be rocking a crafted weapon or crafted shield or what
oh yeah i've done everything in the actual world
i just mean for like
... actually playing the game
tender cove
setting alarms in the night to do an experiment and instantly explode
I just had 3 explosions in a row. Feels bad man...
grave crane
Yeah that doesnt feel good at all
chrome falcon
yeah it's really fucking stupid
i'm also on 3 in a row
if i explode first time on my next one that's my new record
grave crane
i had like 3 or 4ish? over the course of a day or two, and then came back today and just had like 16 in a row
tender cove
yeah it's really fucking stupid
I spent about 45k going from 1 to 67 and at 67 it just refused anymore, had 3 in a row (had 2 liquid courage to remove the cd). Is that just insane rng or the game telling me nah, stop bro.
mighty valley
Shields probably the play but also we’ll toss most of this shit after two dungeons next week
tender cove
Is there really no other way to level besides experimation? Feels stupid.
mighty valley
Stop blowing shit up idiots
sick sentinel
what buff have u guys been using on the shell trinket?
boreal needle
Can someone explain why WoWhead takes thunderous roar in its builds but then doesn't mention it in the rotation guide 😂 🤔
oblique garnet
Can someone explain why WoWhead takes thunderous roar in its builds but then doe...
@candid path
candid path
boreal needle
👍
oblique garnet
marsh stone
avatar, demo shout, roar, shockwave, shield charge, feel like a god
chrome falcon
yeah do we actually have like
an optimal aoe opener
has nomer figured that one out yet
mighty valley
Same old shit except your first TC isn’t pure shit
chrome falcon
well no because we have potentially shield charge and TR right
so how do they fit in
is my question
assuming you have everything up
mighty valley
Pre pull rav, charge and Ava, tc, demo, all your other dmg CDs
strong forum
Avatar+charge-ravager-demo-roar-sc-tc-rev for on paper max dmg
chrome falcon
ty milord
mighty valley
I fit in that first TC before demo just to secure aggro
can’t trust my fucking dps
craggy pilot
well probably also wanna click some SB in between to you dont overcap
strong forum
For actual pull
mighty valley
Well yeah keeping up sb and bleeding rage with IP is assumed always and forever
But they’re not part of the gcd opener
tender cove
Shield Charge?
ye
odd nimbus
SB and IP aren't mentioned
i didnt understand should we get bv or fbv for mythic plus and raid eventually?
mighty valley
bv especially when tier set comes out
odd nimbus
thanks
odd nimbus
bv especially when tier set comes out
i better drop my tier set fast this time otherwise gonna quit again
mighty valley
alyrion said it was fixed? but i haven't seen a second opinion?
toxic geyser
What’s the haste breakpoint for 100% SB uptime without HR
toxic geyser
Yeah exactly
Napkin maths: 16sec cd base, with 100% haste would be 8 sec ye?
Yeah okay
mighty valley
man HR is just super comf and last I heard was better boss dam anyway
toxic geyser
I mean yeah, with bolster…
mighty valley
and if you have to drop nails, it's kind of a wash
bosses are the early season run killers anyway
toxic geyser
Yah, well my understanding is ITF isn’t reliable on ST
Maybe with a giga pump melee comp… but even then, melee brain
uncut notch
Just did 37k overall in a dungeon
really pleased
fun shit
buffpwar
No logs didnt work sadge
all I have is a details screenie
Hit 178k on a pull
360
odd nimbus
i really want to talent instigate
uncut notch
yeah
Its really trivial at the mo, cant wait to try some harder content and actually remember that I have defensive buttons
odd nimbus
i really want to talent instigate
i mean we heal alot cant we drop indomitable?
toxic geyser
i really want to talent instigate
Isn’t there an alternative build with instigate and ITF
toxic geyser
Into the fray - haste talent
astral heron
weary python
Waking stats is better than Sustained Strength?
odd nimbus
one other thing on my wish list is a change to our animations a bit diversity or even making whirlwind useful cause that spell is cool looking
cause im either smashing faces with shield or breaking my leg and screaming
mighty valley
instigate will be the play over bloodsurge for raiding mostly
my honest biggest gripe with prot warrior, even during SL, is that revenge doesn't look or feel like anything
it's drifted so far from its initial fantasy, make it cool please
uncut notch
my honest biggest gripe with prot warrior, even during SL, is that revenge doesn...
the sound is pathetic
it sounds like you miss
But we have to pay for the fact we had execute and condemn
the coolest looking and sounding melee abilities in the game
mighty valley
revenge just kind of slowly drifted into being our main filler, don't think anyone's really considered making it actually match how it's used today
but oh well, it plays fine
loud patrol
feels like when in fury using rampage against a big mob and sounds like missing
neon gulch
Do we ever send sc/ravager/roar without demo + avatar? Or is it worth holding them for 10-15 seconds to line them up
urban portal
Cds on cd
urban portal
Aligning is probably a dps down
Is the thing
Because you are losing partial casts
neon gulch
Cool thanks. I’m practicing on the 5 target dummy in valdrakken, and keep getting moments where my demo or avatar are close to coming up, and roar/sc/rav are all just available and it feels bad to send them without the extra damage buff
neon gulch
Do u mean hold if sub 10/5?
main coral
My stabbies are getting gud. Have yet to be out DPS'd in the past 3 days. Definitely still playing in a very small pond.
lyric valley
where did you get a 389 weapon
main coral
where did you get a 389 weapon
Crafted both
lyric valley
I see
static owl
sand pebble
what is going on with bv currrently
main coral
One is a training matrix
sand pebble
it just gave me ip after timer had dropped
warm plinth
My stabbies are getting gud. Have yet to be out DPS'd in the past 3 days. Defin...
are those both epic (purple)? I'm colorblind
weary python
What trinkets are you guys rocking right now?
deep spruce
The ones with the highest ilvl
lyric valley
are those both epic (purple)? I'm colorblind
yes
main coral
What trinkets are you guys rocking right now?
I got a world drop epic upgrade trinket that out sims the 5 mythic trinkets I had
deep spruce
are those both epic (purple)? I'm colorblind
@warm plinth I like ur twitch name. Very fitting. Your logo too. Well played
main coral
LETSS GOOOO broke 40k sim DPS with daggers in current gear. TG will definitely catch up/win once they have access to higher ilevel weapons, but this is baller.
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9Dy77coerNMWmWvSkM98gJ
marsh stone
Hey team. Anyone have a good mod/weak aura for tracking SB and IP? I don't want anything else, just those 2
loud patrol
LETSS GOOOO broke 40k sim DPS with daggers in current gear. TG will definitely c...
post in in fury
slim dove
LETSS GOOOO broke 40k sim DPS with daggers in current gear. TG will definitely c...
oh my god
i love you
deep spruce
LETSS GOOOO broke 40k sim DPS with daggers in current gear. TG will definitely c...
U know this is the protection channel bro
loud patrol
i wanna see how they mald out
warm plinth
<@255696891000389633> I like ur twitch name. Very fitting. Your logo too. Well p...
Thanks 🙂
loud patrol
oh they will
smoky dock
So is trial of elemental and flood both bugged? or is it just once a month or once a character type of thing?
deep spruce
Isn't it weekly?
smoky dock
Well I figured as well but the chest appears and I am unable as well as others to click on it.
Dont get credit for anything so didnt know if blizzard did something.
loud patrol
prob bugged
warm plinth
So is trial of elemental and flood both bugged? or is it just once a month or on...
It's weekly from anything I can find
warm plinth
You have to defeat a certain boss to be able to get loot I guess. Therrocite for elements and Raging Torrent for flood
smoky dock
Well I have done them both last week but now several times in a row now I see chest unable to click and do not see wave counter but I see a someone else click it and they get credit.
trail bone
Hey guys , do you know think its worth it running fueled by violence on prot warrior over brutal vitality since the recent changes?
deep spruce
Hey guys , do you know think its worth it running fueled by violence on prot war...
Pins 📌
trail bone
am dumb sorry
proud dock
if ur crafting 382 gear, we go for shield first right?
if so do we go for hearth or defender?
errant birch
I went with defender
proud dock
they seem the same save for the equip effect on hearth
errant birch
Whats the idea for the vb nerf and fueled by violence buff
proud dock
wudnt u want that
errant birch
Do we just swap now
warm plinth
Whats the idea for the vb nerf and fueled by violence buff
first pin
pallid quiver
You're also doing more damage on bigger pulls, too
pallid quiver
it'd be funnier if it scaled with mob size, tho
warm plinth
It would
pallid quiver
come at me, supremus, idgaf, you're too big to hurt me
i heal 150% of my life per second
pallid quiver
i will never forget being punted by supremus and all the jokes the people i know made about the BIG BOY
heavy temple
do we go for glacial fury or static empowerment for raids?
marble cipher
So, seeing the pin, have we gotten more info yet on if BV is still bugged, or if the nerf also 'buffed' it by fixing the bug?