#protection
jagged pier
modern brook
jagged pier
90% DR
modern brook
Literally are unkillable now
jagged pier
not broken at all
lyric elm
dying is an offense
lyric elm
if you die as prot, you must delete your character
lyric geode
if you die as prot, you must delete your character
If I die while I am getting feared all the time?
modern brook
Idk how u can play prot ans think "dang I wish I had more defensive tools"
lyric elm
If I die while I am getting feared all the time?
thats ok, the other players/mobs were simply abusing
lyric geode
https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850
Also, please find a better meme. It gets old.
uneven mason
Legion the age of "we're either full HP or the boss wiped out face with a planet"
jagged pier
imagine not having zerker rage
jagged pier
Also, please find a better meme. It gets old.
uneven mason
If I die while I am getting feared all the time?
Find DPS who kick
jagged pier
imagine not having gifs just open
lyric elm
Find DPS who kick
lfg one rogue that can use one of their gazillion CC abilities
uneven mason
Literally
deft vessel
world quest
onyx pike
does it trigger if i dont jump?
inland raft
Hows everyone enjoying df so far? My gpu in for rma so i missed launch 
ocean bloom
/cast [stance:2]!Defensive Stance;[known:Battle Stance]!Battle Stance;[known:Berserker Stance]!Berserker Stance``` this worked for me just moved the Dstance to the start
warm plinth
ocean bloom
lunar needle
What crafted piece are most of you making on your prot wars?
uneven mason
Hows everyone enjoying df so far? My gpu in for rma so i missed launch <:sadga:8...
I feel you, I had the amazing idea of upgrading on launch day and the new board was too big for my case and I didn't realize it until the PC shops were closed, then the cooler I had picked up was faulty....
tender cove
Hows everyone enjoying df so far? My gpu in for rma so i missed launch <:sadga:8...
I feel for you bro, that was my exact SL launch. GPU fried 2-3 weeks into castle.
It's been a pretty good launch, you haven't really missed much tbh.
topaz field
and the good thing about df is that u dont miss a single thing u are not forced to grind anything unless the content u actually enjoy
inland raft
Sounds good, ive burned out every expansion since legion entirely because of the grinds, surprisingly lasted the longest in shadowlands, since got to end of sod tier before dropping it. Hopefully df can keep me if i can actually just play content enjoy
blazing condor
crazy how good damage ravager does now
tender cove
Sounds good, ive burned out every expansion since legion entirely because of the...
There really isn't any big grinds. You have 1 for an easy ring that takes about 2 hours but rest of it is optional if you only care about player power.
I'm not doing ANY of the grinds, I jus don't care. I'll do it when they release catchup shit for it OR if they add some rewards to it.
It really is just a raid log expo. I've even had so much "time over" i'm almost done lvling my first alt.
And about burnout? Didn't even play yesterday because there's nothing todo. I just casually played the alt, did some mining, some exploring and just i dunno, sound weird to say I enjoyed my time but yeh, i do.
upbeat salmon
I mean season hasn't started so once you've done your m0s and expeditions
You're done for the week more or less
There's dailies and whatnot but there doesn't seem to be much "required" grinds
inland raft
Ya i dont mind lack of comtent tbh i played nearly nonstop withe exceptions of real life shit preventing me from banilla through beginning of legion, the borrowed power systems and chore lists is what finally caused burnout, so i welcome a return of less chores
topaz field
no it doesnt
upbeat salmon
Wdym it doesn't?
topaz field
it can save u a couple of hours if u are a WF raider
but grinding mobs for several hours to get 5 ilvl more
upbeat salmon
Day one of season if I can grab a 380ilvl dps over a 350 one I will
topaz field
when u toss all that loot into the bin
upbeat salmon
That's still a leg up
topaz field
is borderline
tender cove
If you have a good team or a guild? It doesn't really matter but the rest of your guild will look at you funny.
if all you do is pug? Like me? You're either gonna make your own groups or not get invited without doing the work.
upbeat salmon
Playing a tank is a leg up in and of itself with regards to m+
But yeah once we start swimming in gear it'll equalise
lyric geode
Football trinket?
dim stratus
Academy?
blazing condor
yeah the academy footbal trinket
hot ore
Guys, any spreadsheet for abilities that can be spell reflected?
blazing condor
Guys, any spreadsheet for abilities that can be spell reflected?
in pins
hot ore
updated for DF
lyric geode
not yet
hot ore
thanks
lyric geode
Ah is it updateD?
blazing condor
dunno bout that
hot ore
dunno was asking, have to check it a sec
blazing condor
seems to be updated
lyric geode
?
warm plinth
yeah the academy footbal trinket
If you don't make a macro for that trinket that plays a sound clip of "E. A. Sports. It's in the game." then you're doing it wrong
blazing condor
true lol
lyric geode
ok
slender quest
A question about crafting can we re add a spark later or we need it on the base shield?
modern brook
?
how would you like people to test if abilities are spell blockable in a dungeon that doesnt exist yet?
lyric geode
how would you like people to test if abilities are spell blockable in a dungeon ...
True, it didnt exist back in legion. Kewk
modern brook
zzzzzzzz]
warm plinth
You will notice that there are...answers on the sheet
The question marks are for spell block, which didn't exist in Legion when that dungeon was a thing.
lyric geode
The question marks are for spell block, which didn't exist in Legion when that d...
But... You can go and do Court of Stars? Or it isnt allowed yet due to maintanance?
warm plinth
I mean you can, but you're doing it on Legion level which means everything dies in one hit
You're more than welcome to go do it yourself though if you feel like it and DM logs/evidence to Sense and he'll gladly update the sheet.
stone condor
what are good professions on a tank warrior ? will most likely only play m+
lyric geode
Gosh, I cant open wow since I am banned for 1 week. A solution is to play a 40 lvl warrior.
warm plinth
He does it out of the goodness of his heart so he generally updates the sheet as he does the content himself. He doesn't really go out of his way to do it.
lyric geode
You're more than welcome to go do it yourself though if you feel like it and DM ...
I am not arguing Sense diligence, which I admire about it.
warm plinth
No I'm just saying that he's fine with others finding the evidence
I sent him proof of a few that were still in question toward the end of SL and he was thankful and updated the sheet
grave crane
Sense is just a nice guy for doing the reflect sheet
lyric geode
True, quite a guy.
deft vessel
What crafted piece are most of you making on your prot wars?
I had some engineer bracers made (I'm an engineer, just haven't had luck with the recipes yet) that and my bracers were the lowest ilvl piece I had (still leveling green, never dropped anything from heroic or mythic dungeons)
open gazelle
I noticed that the general spell block and improved spell block are two different abilities
Ogspell block can reflect hammer of justice the new one can’t
sturdy sable
Ive yet to talent into spell block lol
sand saddle
Where can i snatch that lovely reflect sheet? 
warm plinth
I noticed that the general spell block and improved spell block are two differen...
One is spell reflection and one is spell block. They have two completely different functions
warm plinth
Where can i snatch that lovely reflect sheet? <:Avatar:592472447429902357>
Third-ish pin in this channel
sand saddle
Third-ish pin in this channel
👍
dry kayak
How trash is this huntresses arrow trinket? Seems pretty meh with the mastery proc…..
wet snow
so anymore test on Brutal Vitality vs Fueled by Violence after the reset for duns?
marble cipher
I was tired and went to bed when I saw someone mention it here but, do we, or don't we use Barbaric Training?
I've defaulted to using it, but I seem to recall someone saying not to
cinder nova
Depends on the content you're doing.
ebon wren
If you feel like your capping rage take it
cinder nova
If you're capping you aren't spending it.
uneven mason
Literally have a off gcd rage dump
ebon wren
Ya like unnecessary ignore pains or take barbaric
uneven mason
No ip is unnecessary
cinder nova
You can spend rage faster than you build it, even without Overwhelming, but Overwhelming can enable more favorable rotational play since you aren't worrying about wasting rage.
ebon wren
I use barbaric I feel like I have plenty of rage
cinder nova
From what I recall, it was dropped since they nerfed Bloodsurge output, so it made using it less favorable.
The more challenging content you get, the more you're gonna be pressing IP to stabilize your damage intake.
marble cipher
Didn't wanna spark a discussion, I've been feeling totally fine with rage in dungeons, so I'll keep using it, not immediately sure what to take in it's place anyway
cinder nova
And that'll shift you out of Barbaric since you could fuck yourself by overspending.
strong forum
The point is, generally we don't have enough rage gen to comfortably play with barbaric training. You'll run yourself dry more often than not
mellow quartz
especially true in ST or low target situations
uneven mason
Perspective, barbaric training is a 50% cost increase for a 25% increase in damage
It's a bad trade
cinder nova
We liked Barbaric because Bloodsurge fed us actual deluges of rage.
lyric geode
Perspective, barbaric training is a 50% cost increase for a 25% increase in dama...
That
strong forum
And yeah, it just makes revenge alot less efficient of a button
marble cipher
Would that point go into 1 point of overwhelming rage then in stead? Can't pinpoint another talent there that looks good
cinder nova
Now it's giving us a lot, but it's less than before.
strong forum
It was fine to play in SL and early beta because our rage gen was alot higher
cinder nova
Would that point go into 1 point of overwhelming rage then in stead? Can't pinpo...
Bounding Stride.
marble cipher
Already have that, might take Int Shout for the extra stop in keys?
cinder nova
Yes.
You want Bolt, Shockwave, and Intim.
More interrupts/CC is generally better - especially in PUGs since those mouthbreathers will spec full damage.
marble cipher
To get shockwave (which I plan to, for keys), we drop the cdr on roar right?
upbeat salmon
Aren't you gonna Dr stuns with all that kit?
cinder nova
Yes. You don't need Uproar in M+ because you want to pull big enough that you use it appropriately.
strong forum
Just because you have the stuns doesn't mean you should use them on CD
cinder nova
☝️
strong forum
So no, you're not gonna Dr stuns like mad
cinder nova
The only real DR you'll hit the most is probably Shield Charge + Shockwave.
And that's only on your primary target.
marble cipher
Like this then yeah?
cinder nova
Ye
topaz field
the shieldcharge stun is a ST dr tho right? so it shouldnt collide with shockwave in terms of making a target immune immediately
cinder nova
the shieldcharge stun is a ST dr tho right? so it shouldnt collide with shockwav...
Read slower.
cinder nova
And that's only on your primary target.
☝️
cinder nova
DR is DR I don't get what you're talking about.
Nobody said it was going to immune anything with that combo.
topaz field
iirc dr applies after 2 stuns
cinder nova
It's just the most common DR overlap you'll see.
topaz field
but the 2 stuns have to be either ST or aoe
open gazelle
Uggg just realized I need to drop something to pick up intim shout
neon elk
Why do i all of suden dont see a single backpack/ pile of dirt ?
cinder nova
Pretty sure AOE vs. ST has no bearing. Unless they're treating PVP DR separately from PVE DR, using ShW after HOJ makes your ShW last for almost no time at all, it's just a pseudo-kick.
topaz field
from bfa i remember i could shockwave - > war stomp -> stormbolt
uneven mason
Yes 3 stuns then immune
topaz field
but i couldnt shockwave -> leg sweep -> war stomp for example
no after the SB u should be able to have one more stun
st
if im not tripping
cinder nova
Worth testing after realms come back up, I guess, but it's not the most critical thing.
marble cipher
Can I ask a macro question here, or rather in the #ui-addons-manager channel?
lone eagle
It's full duration, half duration quarter duration then immune
uneven mason
You might be remembering that warbringer wasn't a dr stun
modern brook
its 100% - 50% - 25% - 0% of max duration, yeah malakar had it
uneven mason
In Legion
strong forum
iirc dr applies after 2 stuns
The 4th stun is immune
strong forum
Why do i all of suden dont see a single backpack/ pile of dirt ?
They nerfed it
neon elk
Realy ? Did they at least boost chance for cosmetics ??
Like i see why they nerfed it for rep farms , but maaan i just want my flail
modern brook
Can I ask a macro question here, or rather in the <#365419450054344704> channel?
you can ask here
marble cipher
I've always used focus interrupt macros on all of my chars, like this:
/cast [@focus, exists, harm] Pummel; Pummel```
It'll kick the focus if it exists, and otherwise it'll kick my target.
Now I want to add a shift modifier to it, so that I can use that same button for my stun, like this:
```#showtooltip
/cast [mod:shift] Storm Bolt; Pummel```
But, how on earth do I combine the "focus interaction" with the "modifier interaction"?the storm bolt doesn't have to be on my focus, but I wanna have the "focus interaction" when just using the button, but I want to storm bolt my target when I "shift"
focus is mainly important for my kicks, so I can for instance storm bolt my current target, and at the same time keep track of my focus target for a kick
modern brook
Honestly yeah I'd just make a new keybind thats sshift + button
strong forum
Instead of trying to make it into 1 macro
marble cipher
I'm too lazy for macros like that
it's macros like that that keep me lazy 😄
strong forum
But they have the same effect
marble cipher
fair enough though, now to find an extra keybind
strong forum
As 2 buttons
modern brook
but i think you can do /cast [mod:shift] sb; [@focus, exists, harm] pummel
craggy pilot
hmm 35k overall in a HC 🤔
strong forum
1 is non-shift, 1 is with shift
uneven mason
12 button mouse means I can just keep adding buttons
craggy pilot
marble cipher
I have a 12 button mouse, but I can't find bigger hands to buy 
strong forum
That's a bit low for revenge and SS
uneven mason
Press more revenge
strong forum
Both of them should be above rend
craggy pilot
ye i didnt do a lot of revenj
craggy pilot
in AOE Avatar i just do TC -> Revenj -> TC rotation
was trying that out to see how it felt
uneven mason
Did you just have a massive pull that lived forever?
tardy hatch
What does prot warrior wanna craft with their Spark? the shield?
craggy pilot
Did you just have a massive pull that lived forever?
it was HC, so nothing lived at all
uneven mason
O Yea tc and rend do alot of your damage in "Press w" mode
craggy pilot
ye
had mage doing big dmg, so bosses were literally 10 seconds 😄
did anyone else than Paladin gain CR this patch?
and only evoker gained lust right?
and no new soothe or purge?
urban portal
Sounds right
craggy pilot
or can Evoker soothe or purge?
urban portal
Evoke has purge I think
craggy pilot
so like this looking good for M+ planning?
craggy pilot
any public routes anywhere yet?
craggy pilot
into the frey vs heavy repercussions?
HR
deft mortar
gotta git that block brother
craggy pilot
you can ITF+Bolster if you want
but you have to give up Tough as Nails
so its ITF+Bolster vs HR+Nails
deft mortar
im lovin tough as nails
craggy pilot
so go HR
deft mortar
But somehow I have bolster + HR + nails atm
craggy pilot
block go brrr
ah, then i guess that also works
not sure what you left out
maybe Punish?
craggy pilot
i have likely left out all dmg
:sad:
sick shell
So how significant does the brutal vitaliy nerf look?
craggy pilot
no avatar 😮
deft mortar
may get ravager instead boom/violent
craggy pilot
may get ravager instead boom/violent
something usually recommended is something like this
lmk if you have any questions
but you have no Avatar, which is kinda sadge
deft mortar
u must be cleavin hard lmao
ocean bloom
any warrior build without avatar is sadge
craggy pilot
and no Anger Management, that is huge red flag
modern brook
Blood bourne is an underperforming talent; BSV straight does nothing in its current state Bolster also doesnt do much with Enduring and HR
uneven mason
So how significant does the brutal vitaliy nerf look?
Not worth thinking about
craggy pilot
Blood bourne is an underperforming talent; BSV straight does nothing in its curr...
he had bolster with ITF just a sec ago tho
deft mortar
Only talents I actually cared about are the ones giving strength, armor, stamina and health tbf
but now I think maybe a 2nd dmg dealing build would work
craggy pilot
Only talents I actually cared about are the ones giving strength, armor, stamina...
why if i may ask?
uneven mason
Only talents I actually cared about are the ones giving strength, armor, stamina...
Hobbling yourself without am
deft mortar
I pull all thrash to the next boss in a corner and my healer dies
craggy pilot
AM is our entire thing
craggy pilot
I pull all thrash to the next boss in a corner and my healer dies
so you didnt do enough dps
more dps then healer wont die
uneven mason
Welcome to being a tank in df
craggy pilot
if stuff is dead, it cannot kill you
modern brook
you're actively harming your defensive capability with some of these choices tbh
ocean bloom
^
mellow quartz
Blood bourne is an underperforming talent; BSV straight does nothing in its curr...
Do you mean in the current content or in BSV's current form?
uneven mason
Bsv doesn't bracket
grave crane
It procs pre mitigation I think is what I heard
uneven mason
Greatly reduces it's value
mellow quartz
it does, but essentially means you get more out of the talent not less
hence I was curious what he meant by that statement
upbeat salmon
Wait doesn't prot defensives feed off of its offensive capabilities?
mellow quartz
obviously not in M0 dungeons
upbeat salmon
Like the more bleeds you have running the more rage and hps you have
uneven mason
Wait doesn't prot defensives feed off of its offensive capabilities?
Kinda
mellow quartz
Like the more bleeds you have running the more rage and hps you have
you use 2 points for something with abt as much value as 1 point in nails, ref bloodborne
uneven mason
Right so it's all about spending rage
modern brook
Do you mean in the current content or in BSV's current form?
both tbh
but mostly the bug
modern brook
procing pre mitigation is akin to not having a talent
mellow quartz
but mostly the bug
in actual content the bug means it procs all the time pretty much
deft vessel
MORE TRINKETS AAAAAAAAAAA
upbeat salmon
you use 2 points for something with abt as much value as 1 point in nails, ref b...
TaN provides no survivability though
deft mortar
hmm shield charge rage is also big
modern brook
hmm shield charge rage is also big
ngl every single omission ignores major considerations to the rage economy
remote hawk
Anyone got a good tanking plater setup to share ?
deft mortar
I can get rid of bloodbourne completley to get 2 more points ahead
modern brook
Avatar also gives fuck tons of rage
deft mortar
i also sorta minimized my buttons to click
modern brook
in actual content the bug means it procs all the time pretty much
exactly what i need 80% DR on white damage from trash i can block :^)
upbeat salmon
Passing on avatar seems like a dumb move though
craggy pilot
even the root escape T^T
not this, but just the insane defensive from IO, or the insane dmg from UF
deft vessel
also now that we're talking about talents, are we swapping to fueled by violence or sticking with brutal vitality
deft mortar
In cleave scenarios I usually get to spam ignore pain without fall off tho cuz the bleed rage regen
craggy pilot
In cleave scenarios I usually get to spam ignore pain without fall off tho cuz t...
you dont really need to worry about IP falloff
IP is just something we press to not overcap rage
modern brook
also now that we're talking about talents, are we swapping to fueled by violence...
BV still probably better w/ teir set. without it doesnt really matter tbh
craggy pilot
your main goal is to keep shield block up, and do dmg
deft mortar
I wish IP amount stacked without limits T^T
uneven mason
Why
deft mortar
idk funsies
upbeat salmon
If there was no cap to IP, prot would be op bar none
uneven mason
This is the never surrender argument, it can be a 100000000 pool but it will still only absorb 55%
modern brook
I wish IP amount stacked without limits T^T
u can generate more rage and not have to worry about how much it stacks to :^)
deft mortar
tbf I sometimes click it just to trigger Indomitable
upbeat salmon
I mean you're gonna want to have it on higher keys
uneven mason
tbf I sometimes click it just to trigger Indomitable
Now add anger management and you'll be getting warmer
upbeat salmon
You'll get clapped
deft mortar
lemme see if I can add avatar for funsies
modern brook
I mean you're gonna want to have it on higher keys
IP manages itself from managing your rage properly, thats why you shouldnt have to consider it as heavily as block uptime*
uneven mason
Dude probably takes the tires off his car because driving on the rims sounds better
deft mortar
even better I run to destinations
polar raptor
your main goal is to keep shield block up, and do dmg
interesting, I've been trying to keep large IP rolling, probably at the sacrifice of DPS; Haven't tanked since Cata trying to find my stride
deft mortar
work is a 15 min jog
mellow quartz
exactly what i need 80% DR on white damage from trash i can block :^)
look at all that passive DR!
uneven mason
Roleplay walks in his socks
upbeat salmon
IP manages itself from managing your rage properly, thats why you shouldnt have ...
But you're still popping it every now and then, like actively not using it just because will get you killed
modern brook
But you're still popping it every now and then, like actively not using it just ...
IP manages itself from managing your rage properly.
upbeat salmon
I don't understand what you're trying to say, soz for being dumb
deft mortar
usually maintain 30k hps
craggy pilot
interesting, I've been trying to keep large IP rolling, probably at the sacrific...
just replace this with "Large Shield block rolling" and your gucci my guy
deft mortar
feel more like a blood dk ngl
uneven mason
I spam IP because at 5+ mobs I'm swimming in rage
modern brook
I don't understand what you're trying to say, soz for being dumb
Essentially, if you're managing your rage correctly you need to spend rage before you cap on it
modern brook
shieldblock is a boolean value and its not feasible to only empty with revenge
so you IP to make room for more rage gen
this gives you healing with indom and CDR with AM
upbeat salmon
Okay gotcha
deft vessel
even with 30 revenge cost it's not feasible
modern brook
which gives you more avatar/SW -> more rage gen-> more everything etc
uneven mason
50s sw feels giggles
mellow quartz
even with 30 revenge cost it's not feasible
very much is in lower target count situations, especially if/when you do content that hurts where you have to spam IP for defensive reasons also
craggy pilot
is there a website with M+ routes yet? 🤔
ionic roost
look at all that passive DR!
Idk what this is trying to mean, it only procd on CD twice of all the times
craggy pilot
or do we just yolo the first week routes?
ionic roost
Without the actual log the screenshot means nothing
uneven mason
I'm going to just yolo
modern brook
I doubt any routes will be much more than efficient W holding for the first week
deft vessel
very much is in lower target count situations, especially if/when you do content...
well fair, seeing as such content is not available in game yet, I can't really speak to that at all 😛 have not played beta
mellow quartz
Idk what this is trying to mean, it only procd on CD twice of all the times
was showing bull it essentially just procced on CD now as he was saying it was no value with the bug
upbeat salmon
Didn't seem like the route were all that complicated
uneven mason
was showing bull it essentially just procced on CD now as he was saying it was n...
How are you dropping to low hp
modern brook
was showing bull it essentially just procced on CD now as he was saying it was n...
I still think it has no value
ionic roost
was showing bull it essentially just procced on CD now as he was saying it was n...
Except it didn't, of the 6 procd it was only on CD twice
mellow quartz
How are you dropping to low hp
was a 19 fort on beta?
and with the bug it procs without you dropping low on hp, given pre mitigation (which was the point of the discussion)
uneven mason
Fun
ionic roost
I mean pre-mitigatation proc is always better
That way it can save you from a death if something would kill you
mellow quartz
what we mean is you can proc BSV in its current state with your HP never dropping below 80%
its not like you get to 30% and then it DR's the rest of the hit below that
ionic roost
That means something hit you for like 190k
uneven mason
So it is proccing off raw damage
ionic roost
just gem stamina
uneven mason
Quite the bug
uneven mason
<a:chatting:1036769769543704576> just gem stamina
Ew
ionic roost
Pretty sure that's it's intended interactions
ionic roost
Yea so the very first one, you don't use a CD on and treat BSV as a CD
grave crane
but why would you want that if your not taking actual damage since you have SB IP and Demo up. you would prefer to have it up for an actual attack that drops you to 30% right?
ionic roost
If you know it's going to proc of a specific spell/mob you just treat it as your Opening CD
You guys are calling a skill check a bug
It's wild
modern brook
I'm calling a cheat death that isn't cheating death a bug yeah
ionic roost
It actually isn't a cheat death
mellow quartz
have you even read the talent?
ionic roost
It doesn't proc on death
modern brook
Holy shit
mellow quartz
literally says 'when you health is brough below 30%' and I am telling you it procs with your health never going below 80% @ionic roost
arguing its not bugged it just....
grave crane
it will proc at inopprotune times so you cant ever actually rely on it since it procs before mitigation
ionic roost
DK Will of the Necropolis is a cheat death
modern brook
Whatever man have fun with it while you can
prisma crane
thing is, if you have 31% and then you get hit for 32% of your HP
it wont proc
it's not a cheat death
mellow quartz
do we even know that in its current state though
grave crane
ok so its a health based DR then not a "cheat Death" i think its understood what he meant with Cheat death but nit picking is understandable as well
lusty tiger
Rework: procs 50% dr aoe shield wall
mellow quartz
people just call is a cheat death when they actually mean pseudo cheat given how infrequent we should drop to 30% hp and the thinking it will save you then
upbeat salmon
I mean the point of that talent is to mitigate enough of damage that you don't get one tapped from full health, since we're designed to mitigate damage and not eat it like a dh or dk does
uneven mason
I mean the point of that talent is to mitigate enough of damage that you don't g...
That's not how it works though, even when not bugged
deft mortar
how "weaker" is immovable object shield wall?
upbeat salmon
That's not how it works though, even when not bugged
Well that sucks
uneven mason
It's shorter duration agmius
mellow quartz
That's not how it works though, even when not bugged
we don't know if that is intended or not either though.
uneven mason
we don't know if that is intended or not either though.
Since it's a carbon copy of wotn it should bracket damage and afaik it doesn't
mellow quartz
yeah thats my point
it might be bugged in that way as well
as you say and I agree it should work exactly like wotn
ionic roost
(pre-mitigatation btw)
mellow quartz
it should also leave a debuff after it procs like purg does
so many issues with it atm
mellow quartz
I mean right now there is no way you can see when it has proc'ed or is on CD
I have a WA that gives me an 'oh no' sound when it procs but thats abt it
small coral
so, what's the consensus on the BV nerf today?
mellow quartz
0 impact for 99% of people
outer thorn
Was the bv bug fixed?
mellow quartz
servers are still down
blazing condor
our aoe burst and general damage is so nuts this xpac the hell
ravager doing loads of damage, roar, SC, shockwave even
and seismic on top of that
small coral
it's pretty nutty for sure
i dont think till be as nutty because we wont be able to pull as big in +
uneven mason
Was the bv bug fixed?
Going to assume no
vivid abyss
Hello guys, new warrior here making it as my second tank after BDK, what i dont know at all is whether we want to use execute like ever? in M+ i dont care about OT dmg parsing in raids
vivid abyss
ok 😄
spring coyote
I assume execute roation is If Rage > 40 - execute, ELSE use shield slam>thunderclap?
uneven mason
Uh
urban portal
But on st you execute when everything is on cd
deft mortar
hm prot pallies, DKs, and Warriors now have same maximum stamina increase %
upbeat salmon
i dont think till be as nutty because we wont be able to pull as big in +
The hell we will, gimme them double pulms
deft mortar
Except we need to pick 3 talents for it
vivid abyss
Stamina is the least important part of a tank
not for bdk
uneven mason
hm prot pallies, DKs, and Warriors now have same maximum stamina increase %
Are you coming from wotlk
deft mortar
or Guardian druiid
urban portal
Blood historically has the highest stamina of any tank
Doesn’t mean they are the best
deft mortar
or warrior since half our self healing is HP based
urban portal
Blood dk only needs enough stamina to not get globalled
deft mortar
we basically heal 2% of our max health every GCD
sick sentinel
Tank-specialized characters now generate 650% additional threat (was 550%).
Developers' note: We've heard feedback that on-pull burst in dungeon content is causing damage dealers to pull threat more often than is desirable. This change represents roughly a 15% increase to tank threat generation, which should help alleviate these cases, while still requiring tanks to actively engage with packs to hold threat.
uneven mason
or warrior since half our self healing is HP based
Literally not how tanking works
vivid abyss
yeah stamina doesnt mean its best, but BDK benefits from large HP the most since u use the dmg u take as heal
sick sentinel
i am okay with this
urban portal
Mitigate more with a smaller pool
Is better than mitigate less with a larger pool
Because now every HOT your healer pumps into you is more effective
uneven mason
That's also not how math works
deft mortar
what is this healer u refer to
urban portal
Mitigation is effectively a healing increase
mellow quartz
half you say?
urban portal
That's also not how math works
If a healer heals 2k hps, and you have 50% mitigation, the opponent needs to deal 4k dps to out damage the heal
deft mortar
I sustain 30k HPS
uneven mason
I mean, the "Hot becomes more efficient at lower HP pools"
urban portal
Hots becomes more efficient with better mitigation
uneven mason
The HoT is equal effectiveness regardless of health pool
deft mortar
where is the trade off between stamina and mitigation
cunning knot
Fueled by violence buff and brutal vitality nerf changing anything for you guys?
mellow quartz
Fueled by violence buff and brutal vitality nerf changing anything for you guys?
nope
uneven mason
There isn't, its just that stacking HP is a meaningless exercise
deft mortar
Sometimes in large pulls Fueled by Violance is 20% of my self heals
So it does for cleave
urban portal
Stamina flask does so much for us for sure
uneven mason
But your build is crap Agmius
if you changed your build you'd just never need FBV because you're at max HP
spring coyote
wondering if 4pc tier bonus will make taking fueled by violence > brutal vitality
uneven mason
which is really where fbv fails, it does nothing at max HP
urban portal
wondering if 4pc tier bonus will make taking fueled by violence > brutal vitalit...
The 4 pc makes bv better hypothetically
mellow quartz
wondering if 4pc tier bonus will make taking fueled by violence > brutal vitalit...
if anything tier makes BV better
solemn current
Think the point he’s trying to make is that hp exists but you’d never needed more than what passively comes on gear. We take ilvl for main stat and secondaries, not stam.
uneven mason
that particular talent point isn't even worth the brainpower you guys are spending on it
deft mortar
If you remain max HP u didnt pull enough packs kekw
spring coyote
no concerns about BV + tier bonus just overcapping IP too often?
mellow quartz
no concerns about BV + tier bonus just overcapping IP too often?
IP is a rage dump
upbeat salmon
Until wall falls off and you keel over
mellow quartz
capping it means nothing
modern brook
The biggest thing Either FBV and BV do is unlock tough as nails/bolster/punish
dim stratus
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
oof
deft mortar
do yall think double tanking will make sense for Brackenhide Hollow?
DPS cleave less anyway
lusty tiger
which dps lol
urban portal
Could be
uneven mason
do yall think double tanking will make sense for Brackenhide Hollow?
I think 5 tanking will be the way to clear 20s on week 1
deft mortar
kekw
urban portal
Tanks doing brazy damage currently
uneven mason
Because that's what I'm going to be doing
lusty tiger
ive been asking my homies to roll a tank for 2 tanking
deft mortar
why not lmao have 1 warr and 4 guardian dudus
mellow quartz
any proper dps player will do way more than a tank will, you just play with shit players if you are at the top
urban portal
^
deft mortar
any proper dps player will roll tank
uneven mason
wat
sweet summit
wat
urban portal
Gengi tank reroller
deft mortar
any proper player will roll tank*
uneven mason
wat
strong forum
it has and always will be the least desirable role to play
deft mortar
what
dps and healers are literlaly support roles
they just make it faster
they dont allow it
lusty tiger
ye
strong forum
so much this
urban portal
That’s me
Also why am I gonna allow a pug to terrorize a key
When I can do it myself
lusty tiger
5head mele dps players make good tanks tho
deft mortar
i started tanking in wotlk cuz instant queues were beatiful
as time went on I realized DPS and Healers are optional
they should just start the instance instead make tanks wait addiitonal seconds
why even ask dps if they mean to enter the instance\
uneven mason
My favorite question in the last week
deft mortar
when tank clicks enter instance the dungeon should start
uneven mason
"Can you slow down enough for me to res?"
deft mortar
lmao tru
uneven mason
"Why, they're literally going to die again"
deft mortar
TRUUU
in optimal pulls DPS and Healers will be dead
which is as far as you can pull to the boss
loud patrol
the servers are gonna crash
dim stratus
woeful sphinx
How does the Brutal Vitality / Fueled by Violence affect us? do we now run Fueled by Violence?
woeful sphinx
I've been running Brutal
odd tree
dps and healers are literlaly support roles
so true, ended up finishing off far too many packs/bosses this past week as DPS die to stupid shit on the ground and missed kicks
primal hound
would still recommend going with BV
odd tree
going to be worse once m+ is here
urban portal
Either doesn’t matter
deft mortar
I usually skull mark the mob that needs to be interrupted
Sometimes causes the DPS instincts to kick in
atleast when dps is on them. I can interrupt another mob
xd
deft mortar
kekw
oblique trench
skull means the last target to die
primal hound
true
woeful sphinx
Thanks. I might try out FbV but most likely return to BV afterwards
deft mortar
skull is like ants spitting phermones on their target to call the other ants man
they should make an ant icon
dungeons groups are just hiveminds tbf, the tank is the queen ant
loud patrol
i feel like the healer is the voice of common sense before i do a massive 25 mob pull
compact jackal
Bow down to your queen, DPS drones and worker healers!
wary heath
I love when people ask for summon. Afk in valdrakken, and you can fly at 900% speed to a dungeon 20 seconds away
earnest nymph
Not traveling to Taz is way worse imo
loud patrol
i took 15 mins to figure out where halls of infusion were
earnest nymph
5s flight path
earnest nymph
Pain theater lmao
deft mortar
and plaguefall
i knew my way around maldraxxu
did not step to kyria after finishing the quest cuz hurt my eyes
damn the new affix with positive and negative charges
mellow quartz
You seem like a ‘cool’ guy. Do you want a cookie?
deft mortar
intervane will be fun
toxic pewter
Why am I seeing words associated with shadowlands uttered
deft mortar
tru what is shadowlands
toxic pewter
Shutters
cinder storm
some people liked sl
toxic pewter
....yikes...
deft mortar
i did 1st season
odd tree
parts of it were ok
earnest nymph
I liked SL M+
odd tree
nathria
deft mortar
then I found out about legendaries and thorgast
toxic pewter
vomits
cinder storm
guys, I was joking
dim stratus
throatgast
deft mortar
i was gonna buy a wow token cuz I dont do content that generates gold to get legendary
toxic pewter
Cease mentioning such things at this time
cinder storm
choreghast
deft mortar
but blizz region locked me out of it
earnest nymph
How did you end up getting legendaries then while actively avoiding all zones?
deft mortar
i managed to get 10-15k for low ilvl
version
then at 9.2 or 9.3 i got the 291 one for like 5-10k again
oh i leveled alts which gave me like 10k each time they hit 50
Ididnt level them past 50 to avoid shadowlands zones
oak echo
Not traveling to Taz is way worse imo
in slight fairness it required like 10 min quest chain that some people just never knew existed and never bothered to find out lol
cinder storm
right, I kept forgetting oribos had a basement
cinder nova
Can you still do M0 even if you already cleared all of them? Like, you can do it - just no loot?
oak echo
yes
cinder storm
yes
toxic pewter
Ya can do just no loot
deft mortar
but it reduces the groups dorp chance to 80% from 100%
which isnt nice for ur 4 friends
cinder nova
I mean, I'm the only plate in my normal group. I'd rather do a plate stack then help them.
oak echo
right - you can get loot assigned to you but you just can't see it is the only downside
azure flower
unless u were gonna trade
toxic pewter
ya plate stack good idea im gonna do that too
sonic ember
[With weekly restarts] Brutal Vitality now adds 15% of the damage dealt to your active Ignore Pain (was 30%).
Is this big?
toxic pewter
it is a fair nerf probably
cinder storm
Make it 10%, I feel a dk rn
dim stratus
wasn't the talent bugged anyway? (atleast that is what I thought I was reading)
oak echo
i don't think so.
- pretty sure the talent is still broken
- we're doing enough damage and IP spamming to keep it maxed out most of the time anyways
cinder nova
Didn't they also buff the shit out of the other one?
sonic ember
[With weekly restarts] Fueled by Violence now causes Deep Wounds to heal you for 85% (was 65%) of the damage it deals.
oak echo
yeah they're trying to make the 2 choices even
cinder nova
Blizz can't get their head around the concept
Preventing damage > healing damage
deft mortar
isnt IP usually capped anyway
toxic pewter
both seem pretty fine imo I guess one will eventually be math'd to show which is best
deft mortar
ye
cinder nova
If you aren't comatose ye
deft mortar
since IP is usually capped I go bleed heal for the remaining 45% of dmg taken
loud patrol
why we haven pinned it?
toxic pewter
I do like BV works with the tier will prob end up running BV
oak echo
because nobody reads the pins anyways if the last 3 weeks have taught me anything
loud patrol
true
oak echo
bloodborne is a trap
deft mortar
20% no?
oak echo
2 talent points is huge opportunity cost
deft mortar
probalby more not same xD
urban portal
Blizz can't get their head around the concept
> Preventing damage > healing dam...
Blizzard knows this
That’s why spirit shell is gone
deft mortar
i will probably drop it for ravager and shield charge at some point
but I am 2 lazy to get more keybind slots
craggy pilot
are the trials worth it to do?
oak echo
oh no
cinder nova
They need to make the healing very attractive to be useful, because as it stands even in ST I feel like Brutal is gonna win the day
Since you heal less the fewer targets there are
urban portal
Yes
deft mortar
but u also do less dmg no
urban portal
Fbv goes bonkers in mass counts
azure flower
are the trials worth it to do?
yes but you ideally want to get gear from other sources (like M0) first as the trials scale with ur current ilvl
cinder nova
Yeah, but so does BV kekw
urban portal
Bv scales slower
cinder nova
I feel like FbV needs a rework to make it do something else.
urban portal
It’s fine
deft mortar
blizz should buff bloodbourne to 40% kekw
craggy pilot
yes but you ideally want to get gear from other sources (like M0) first as the t...
ye ok, im alrdy 371
there is Trial of Flood, which is the other one?
azure flower
trial of elements in chromie time
craggy pilot
do you have coordinates?
azure flower
not 100% sure but i think scales upto 379?
compact jackal
apparently things scale to 382, but that might be ilvl 375 average or higher. I'm at 374 and getting 379s
craggy pilot
can i find a timer for Trial of Elements somehow?
azure flower
no but u can server hop to find it
craggy pilot
got 376 shoulder, and then 379 wrist damn
toxic pewter
i got 382 belt
mellow quartz
BV is still bugged
scenic path
why are you guys doing it on reset day
azure flower
all our current gear gets replaced next week anyway so whatev
loud patrol
i crashed whle doing a dragonrading race
toxic pewter
rip
loud patrol
and crashed again while changing zones :D
craggy pilot
does anyone have a list of which embellishments can go where?
heavy delta
-Been lurking around here for a minute and decided to post for the first time-
Out of curiosity, it's probably been talked about already, but are people going Thunderous Roar/Word over buffing the crap out of Shockwave so that Shockwave is more of a utility CD rather than dps CD? Seems to me like Shockwave is doing more damage but at a cost of DRing cds
modern brook
-Been lurking around here for a minute and decided to post for the first time-
...
THe issue with Shockwave damage is that it guts its ability to be used as CC - ie you cant hold it for an unkickable interrupt etc. DRing is a seconary concern that is also worth considering. Roar + Words synergizes with our other natural choices and provides a usefull cooldown in its own right
TLDR shockwave damage opprotunity cost is too high cause you have to drop words, and taking it over words is silly because while both provide damage, shockwave damage does so at the cost of cc
Also idr the sims but im pretty sure its just less damage ontop of that
heavy delta
Yeah, definitely makes sense. Kind of what I was thinking, but I wanted a second opinion. Thank you for the clarification!
minor helm
Bull owns
minor helm
severe steeple
urban portal
-Been lurking around here for a minute and decided to post for the first time-
...
It’s also not a dps up
It feels like it is because low cd and more burst damage
But you are losing bleed damage, extra gcds to cast shockwave (marginal) and obviously utility factors
It also doesn’t “scale”
Like roar does
Roar scales with all 4 secondary stats
Shockwave only scales with vers mastery
heavy delta
I can see that too! Definitely makes sense
zealous willow
Guys if u must choose for alt tank between pala and dk what u will go ?
craggy pilot
i just echo what he tells me while hes toobusy listening to low rider
we all do
what has been the discussion of Embellishment so far?
is the Legs and Belt worth anything for us?
those are the only ones i can get the plans for already 😄
sick sentinel
do we normally do BV or the other thing (ip one) now before the IP set bonus
sick sentinel
oh, okay, that stinks lol
craggy pilot
@strong forum did you test the Embellishments in beta?
strong forum
nah
urban bane
Is crafted gear eligible for conversion to tier pieces once that comes out? If so, what happens to embellishments on those pieces? Do we have info on that?
strong forum
doubt it
urban bane
yeah it stands to reason it wouldnt work
arctic sinew
What's BV?
urban bane
in the most recent case, brutal vitality
modern brook
brutal vitality
modern brook
Guys if u must choose for alt tank between pala and dk what u will go ?
pala secret op
lyric geode
Can you craft tier sets?
modern brook
Oh it doesn't work, because I have it talented
theres a bug where if an ip hits cap it wont add to it until a brand new application is added
arctic sinew
Pally feels really squishy tbh
modern brook
ie: lose the buff entirely and put a fresh ip on from 0
solar blade
thag bv bug is bs indeed
arctic sinew
Oh i see, thanks for the clarification
lusty tiger
pala secret op
i cant get over shield throw not giving holy power but other than that feels sick
lusty tiger
i did like 2 m+ at lvl 60
arctic sinew
Dps is good on pally, but I get smashed on things my warrior yawns at
cunning void
because i have self respect
🙂
urban bane
Can you craft tier sets?
likely no; we don't know for sure yet. if anyone has direct info please jump in. but the only possibility is that crafted gear can be converted to tier EVENTUALLY when the creation catalyst equivalent is usable. but this likely won't be the case for a number of reasons.
sturdy sable
theres a bug where if an ip hits cap it wont add to it until a brand new applica...
I thought this was fixed
With the nerf
next burrow
sorry, may i know how the wq ilvl scales?
vale bloom
Is there anything best pratice crafting for prot warrior? what is the best first item to craft?
next burrow
is it a specific reknown or bag ilvl ?
loud patrol
is it a specific reknown or bag ilvl ?
equipped ilvl
strong forum
I thought this was fixed
Nop
sick sentinel
350 ilvl lol
loud patrol
nothing like doing a hunt and not getting the rewards
sturdy sable
Yeah so do i
But having m+ not be loot capped for a week is really going to speed up gearing
tired pivot
Is there any item in particular that we want to use the spark of ingenuity on?
deft hazel
Nothing like doing 17 rares and only getting 1 epic
but are they repeatable D:?
sturdy sable
Is there any item in particular that we want to use the spark of ingenuity on?
Ppl are going in on shield
deft hazel
i didnt get loot when i kileld again :(
tired pivot
I kinda figured it might be shield
sturdy sable
I made a 1hander
strong forum
?
storm flame
What's the bis weapon enchant for protection?
sturdy sable
But i had assumed you could respec knowledge points
tired pivot
oh, do we know raid loot already? I honestly missed that
sturdy sable
But i had assumed you could respec knowledge points
So i spent points willy nilly so now im a sword smith
strong forum
Raid loot is known for months
coral pasture
We do im pretty sure
tired pivot
fair enough, I was not following it until 3 weeks ago
so a lot of stuff flew over me
coral pasture
Which of the 2 linked guides is the better one? Icy veins or wowhead
strong forum
Just gotta open dungeon journal
tired pivot
thanks
strong forum
Which of the 2 linked guides is the better one? Icy veins or wowhead
Both are fine, written by 2 diff people. You have some small differences but good overall
coral pasture
Talent suggestions were different iirc
patent hull
M+ start today or next week?
sturdy sable
What's the bis weapon enchant for protection?
Sophic
coral pasture
So i was thinking of that
strong forum
Next week
tired pivot
hm, do you think that highest m+ runners will be stacking more haste or vers?
coral pasture
I used the one thats been pinned
strong forum
Always haste
tired pivot
I see, then the dungeon shield looks a lot better
I assumed vers would be better, only picked up warrior in df
strong forum
Technically frozen devotion is our strongest enchant
sturdy sable
I see, then the dungeon shield looks a lot better
Vers is for the weak
tired pivot
well yeah, you take it so that you are no longer weak 
sturdy sable
You take it if your a coward
tired pivot
which embellishments are people putting on the crafted item?
is there anything relevant?
serene compass
sophic devotion or writ for weapon
strong forum
Frozen devotion is alot more dmg than sophic and sophic/wafting makes you tankier
The normal leech enchant is better for cloak
Unless they changed that
cinder nova
How's the damage of scale from offensive?
serene compass
if you can afford it
strong forum
Scale is awful
serene compass
basically whats im going off
strong forum
Frozen devotion is also stronger in ST
serene compass
If you want to give up more def
strong forum
And regenerative leech offers literally nothing over normal leech
Other than a tiny out of combat heal
strong forum
Frosted armor kit is also better than fierce
Cuz it gives armor + Str, which is more dmg than stamina + Str
cinder nova
How is Lifeflame Amp?
sturdy sable
Rip my 30k on a sophic
sturdy sable
Naw its not the most damage
strong forum
And alot harder on aoe
modern brook
buying enchants rn is pepega tbh
sturdy sable
buying enchants rn is pepega tbh
I made myself a sword the enchant stays with it
Even through recrafts
strong forum
In ST frozen is 1.1k dps gain
Sophic is like 500
serene compass
frozen would be great for pushing keys since every bit of dmg matters
sturdy sable
I feel as tho minor survivability gains that i cant control arnt worth much
strong forum
Actually
At max ilvl
Wafting, frozen and sophic are all within margin of error
At lower ilvl frozen is just alot better
For obv reasons
knotty idol
What phials do we use?
spark cedar
Why am i seeing so many warriors crafting bracers on my server, am I missing something there 🤔?
strong forum
They see "vers gud"
strong forum
What phials do we use?
So far only tested glacial fury on beta
serene compass
Eye in the Storm is good for mythic+
strong forum
And static empowerment for raid
Eye of storm is exceedingly situational
Glacial fury performed better
modern brook
And static empowerment for raid
the have no friends one can be good for M+ depending on comp
serene compass
Glacial is dmg proc only
strong forum
Yes
serene compass
It's not good defensively, but will deal a lot of damage
cinder nova
I see vermintide cosplay
strong forum
Breh
You don't need to have every single item you wear to be only defensively build
That's not how wow works
You can't "survive even harder"
And 99% of your survival comes from playing well
slim dove
yo did BV get fixed alomg with the nerf?
serene compass
Learning the class strength and weakness helps you survive lol
slim dove
also @strong forum how we liking Bushwackers compass?
strong forum
Idk what that is
loud patrol
i only have gave vers to me lmao
strong forum
For 6% of a stat
slim dove
anything but mastery aint bad
strong forum
it is one of the stronger embellishments ye
but idk if its been nerfed from beta or not
last pebble
Best weapon enchant for us?
slim dove
id wait imo
last pebble
Okay
serene compass
Seen a lot of people go with the shield first
civic junco
surprised there isn't a bis list yet
strong forum
there wont be one
oblique garnet
Can just look @ nome’s logs
5 tank logs 
oblique garnet
I wont be playing warrior early on
oblique garnet
Am on enha duty for raid
civic junco
I just want to know if there's a specific embellishment we want and/or crafted piece since im BS 76 with purp hammer. I'm itching to craft my own
serene compass
BiS is whatever you can get out of mythic 0
oblique garnet
sir ill also play normally
Oh right you might actually push keys
edgy flax
Are there any tips to managing outburst? I know you spend it on shield slam on single target and thunder clap on 5+ targets but often those abilities are on cooldown when I get outburst and I accidentally spend it on the other or ignore pain
lyric geode
I member when tanks do comperatively the same dmg as dd in Mist of Pandaria. Pepperidge Farm remembers
lusty tiger
I member when tanks do comperatively the same dmg as dd in Mist of Pandaria. Pep...
Good times inc
strong forum
Are there any tips to managing outburst? I know you spend it on shield slam on s...
well you just said how to manage it ye?
modern brook
sir ill also play normally
🤢
prisma crane
I member when tanks do comperatively the same dmg as dd in Mist of Pandaria. Pep...
comparatively? you played wrong then lol, tanks did way more damage in most fights, ha, it was a blast
pallid quiver
Are there any tips to managing outburst? I know you spend it on shield slam on s...
Do you have either of the WAs for tracking outburst? Both should be in pins iirc
lyric geode
comparatively? you played wrong then lol, tanks did way more damage in most figh...
Oh I put it wrong, the dps did comperatively dmg to tanks.
prisma crane
Oh I put it wrong, the dps did comperatively dmg to tanks.
ha touche
cinder nova
Are there any tips to managing outburst? I know you spend it on shield slam on s...
Outburst doesn't get consumed by Ignore Pain.
serene compass
BRING wotlk revenge back!
edgy flax
Do you have either of the WAs for tracking outburst? Both should be in pins iirc
I have a WA showing when I have it I don’t know if it’s the same WA
blazing condor
does it matter if you choose wrathion or sabellian btw ?
pallid quiver
Eye of storm is exceedingly situational
my situational use was "i only had the recipe for eye and not glacial yet, and phial experiments did give me a few eye phials..."
prisma crane
does it matter if you choose wrathion or sabellian btw ?
if you pick wrong you lose half your gear when the correct one is crowned
blazing condor
pallid quiver
I have a WA showing when I have it I don’t know if it’s the same WA
The ones I'm talking about show you the stack build up, as well. One is an icon that counts stacks of the building Seeing Red buff, the other is a bar that fills, telling you how much rage you've spent towards the next outburst (i use this one)
edgy flax
If you need to wait for TC to outburst- you CAN keep spamming revenge
Would you hold shield slam if it’s off cooldown?
prisma crane
not for long
pallid quiver
If your sheer, only focus is damage, it might be worth holding for TC
It's worth spending rages on Revenges to fish for a SS reset in ST pretty much most of the time, though
You just don't want to overwrite your outburst or miss a GCD
rotund thicket
do i miss something or why does Uproar only gives 15 sec CDR instead of 30 like the tooltip said?
modern brook
is bigger dmg on thunderclap higher dmg on rend?
no
lyric geode
Is that sure. I cant test it , since I am banned for a week.
edgy flax
The ones I'm talking about show you the stack build up, as well. One is an icon ...
I’ll look at them, thanks
modern brook
also if u can spend enough rage on revenge to overwrite your outburst before SS comes up naturally you deserve a medal
modern brook
Is that sure. I cant test it , since I am banned for a week.
yeah its sure
gentle acorn
so, we should be alch for max dps right? due to the pot extension
modern brook
Rend damage is seperate from tclap entirely
lyric geode
kk
modern brook
hell rend dot damage is seprate from rend initial hit entirely
You might find it does more damage due to amps like avatar/strength/stat buffs but things like UF/outburst affect only tclap damage
pallid quiver
also if u can spend enough rage on revenge to overwrite your outburst before SS ...
we miss shadowlands S3 S4 days
not really though i'll puke if i ever have to set foor in oribos again
It was definitely actually possible to overwrite outbursts then.
particularly since avatar just gave you it
pallid quiver
I'm at like 17%
pale roost
with deep wounds being buffed are we gonna start runing with that?
lyric geode
now i have 9
14% and still rolling.
modern brook
now i have 9
haha ur slow
pallid quiver
Damn, we got damage buffs I never heard about for one of our baseline bleeds
I thought it was just a buff to Fueled by Violence making it heal more
blazing condor
haha ur slow
pallid quiver
non-shitpost, if brutal vit is still bugged, it'll probably be better in most circumstances to rock Fueled by Vuolence over BrV
modern brook
sure 🙂
strong forum
do i miss something or why does Uproar only gives 15 sec CDR instead of 30 like ...
display bug
also works on my machine idk