protection

[gaunt plover]

It might be helpful in temple of jade serpant

[mellow quartz]

So essentially a lot in a high enough key.

[gaunt plover]

warrior struggles a lot in that dungeon

[mellow quartz]

Just depend on your specific situation. If it’s needed or not. There is no one size fits all for it.

[compact jackal]

on 3m CD.

Go with the time-honored route that everyone embraces in content. Blame someone else 🙂

[mellow quartz]

In a high enough key it’s probably a default pick.

[gaunt plover]

yea another 3 min big cd could realy be helpful

together with spell block

[compact jackal]

a 180s CD you don't control the proc of is the big issue IMO

[gaunt plover]

might reinforce warrior's weakness against magic dmg

[slim dove]

we arent weak to magic even without spell block lmao

[mellow quartz]

You have a 55% DR vs magic from IP

[slim dove]

• 20% DR from def stance for tank breakers

[compact jackal]

Difference in 30% HP and "Oh I'm dying", and 30% HP and "I'm chillin, maxxin, relaxin all cool." I feel.

[tired vapor]

And spell reflect.

[odd tree]

Folks still think we're weak to magic?

[gaunt plover]

we are weaker against magic dmg than physical dmg, as the nature of the toolkit

[mellow quartz]

#protection message

[gaunt plover]

in high tyran jade temple I think a lot of warriors still struggle

at least from looking at beta

[mellow quartz]

So are all tanks

[compact jackal]

and that's kind of the point of magic damage.

[slim dove]

idk where the disconnect is

prot war is incredibly strong v magic damage

[mellow quartz]

If you don’t take a lot of damage from physical hits that mean you have more of a buffer to take magical damage

[compact jackal]

Stagger does less against magic. DH lost their passive? Paladins idr, DKs have AMS/AMZ

We have a flat 20% if we want it

[sharp bone]

did they change something with the cobalt proc ring? seems we can proc the dps ring now

[gaunt plover]

i thought DH still has the magic dr

[craggy pilot]

anyone know if redoing Heroic dungeons gives rep of sorts?

[mellow quartz]

1 hit?

You cast a spell?

[gaunt plover]

i've been using the cobalt dmg ring

its a lot of single target dmg lol

and it procs a lot

[slim dove]

dh has flat 20%.

we also have flat 20% on demand

[sharp bone]

i just know a couple days ago we could only proc the absorb ring

not the dps ring

[compact jackal]

Couldn't remember if they kept it or not.

[slim dove]

veng gets 20, havoc gets 10

[compact jackal]

That's what it was, havoc lost 5% right?

[slim dove]

pretty sure

[compact jackal]

DK just gets their actives I believe, still not sure on paladin.

but the tl;dr is that spell shield go brrrrrrrr

[gaunt plover]

paladin can block spells

[strong forum]

They fixed the cobalt ring a few days back

[compact jackal]

At reduced effectiveness, right?

[strong forum]

It procs as usual now for us

[compact jackal]

Too lazy to log on mine and check.

[sharp bone]

ah nice to hear

[toxic geyser]

You watched the Dorki/Growl video from yesterday I see lmao

[fast knot]

That boss is going to absolutely demolish, can't fuckin wait

Hell the trash above the second boss is going to be glorious

[uncut basin]

Think they will fix brutal vitality on the next update?

[fast knot]

Would be nice for them to as consolation

[uneven mason]

Veng were bugged for....half?? of Shadowlands and had both Havoc and Veng MR

so it was like, 30%

[craggy pilot]

im guessing i go the 2x 379?

[slim dove]

lifeflame is pretty shit

[odd tree]

Anyone know the proc rate?

[slim dove]

frag aint much better

[fast knot]

2rppm I thought

[slim dove]

yeah ring is 2ppm

[craggy pilot]

but its str 🤔

and Iridious Fragment is hmm

[compact jackal]

who needs good trinkets? Not me.

[slim dove]

as a stat stick its fine

[slim dove]

lmao i got one too

leave yourself attacking a dummy, enjoy 14k movement speed for 5 seconds. good times

[compact jackal]

I also have that turtle shell. Not sure if it's worth using

[craggy pilot]

14k movespeed lol, how much is that?

[slim dove]

alot

[craggy pilot]

400%?

[slim dove]

ill log in and do some quick math

1400 speed is 20%

[toxic geyser]

Half of season 1, veng has a 36% magic dr due to double dip, got reduced to 20 and had 10% phys added to it

[slim dove]

eh diminishing returns like crazy

14k speed is 50%

[craggy pilot]

damn

[stone badge]

Are we running fueled by violence over brutal vitality now?

[compact jackal]

Dimishing returns is anti-fun tbh

I want to become speed

[toxic geyser]

Doubt it, you already overcap IP and rarely dip enough for the trickle from FBV to be significant/not overhealing

Also synergises with tier, so that’s already a play pattern you’re sticking with

[compact jackal]

Okay

I'm at 100 stacks

[craggy pilot]

omg i love Graals Discarded Tooth trinket, seems to proc ALOT

is it only from WQ?

[oak echo]

Is that the one that makes the shark fly at them?

[slim dove]

ye its a WQ trinket

or from rares i think

[craggy pilot]

yes

just had it proc like 3 times in 30 seconds

[oak echo]

It procs a lot but I don't think it was a ton of dam is it?

[slim dove]

its 3ppm

its fairly good dmg in aoe

[craggy pilot]

ye it does more dmg up to 5 targets

[oak echo]

Ah mine just might have been too low ilvl

[ocean bloom]

how many targets is sending an outburst TC more dmg than SS?

[bold wave]

guys im rlly not sure if its better to craft an item now with spark or wait after first week of raid release. the wrist looks great and same for the shield of the hearth

[fierce field]

You get a second spark on raid week?

[compact jackal]

every 2 weeks until 5, then it's a legion legendary drop system

[oak echo]

I think it's still something like 5 targets in avatar and 7 out of it

[ocean bloom]

does anyone have a stance macro that also works with Berserker stance and battle stance?

[craggy pilot]

i think you can still recraft the spark item, if its the ilvl youre worried about. but you probably cant recraft it to a diff slot fx

[tall cedar]

so i can craft 380-392 helmet now but later on with recraft can i upgrade ilvl and stats?

so there is no overthink to craft first . we can craft both helmet/wrist next week right?

[craggy pilot]

here fx i am recrafting 306 -> 376

[warm plinth]

You can probably do like

#showtooltip
/cast [known:Battle Stance]!Battle Stance;[known:Berserker Stance]!Berserker Stance;[stance:2]!Defensive Stance

[craggy pilot]

why not just have 2 macros? your bars switch anyway when you go Fury

[warm plinth]

You can have your bars not switch

There's a setting

[bold wave]

ye but what if its better to craft another item since ur sparks are limited in first weeks.

[craggy pilot]

in Prot / Fury? that sounds kinda dumb ngl

you dont need Shield Slam as Fury

[craggy pilot]

yea then you are at an issue ofc

but i dont know if its that way, or if we are just better off crafting helmet fx

[warm plinth]

I didn't say it was smart 😂 I just said it was possible.

[compact jackal]

Shield is the safest option tbh, then your choice of helm/neck/bracers

[craggy pilot]

i dont even think its possible tho

you can make it not swap bars between different talent sets

but not between specs?

[compact jackal]

Really depends on how much damage the helm/secondary proc provide since the bracers are basically a flat 1%

[craggy pilot]

flat 1% compared to what?

[compact jackal]

They give ~1% vers

[balmy narwhal]

Guys can you tell me what the clown honk means in prot warrior weakaura. I am using Llalord weakaura suite from wowhead.

[craggy pilot]

is Wrist a high stat budget or what?

and Helmet?

[compact jackal]

wrist has the vers embellishment, helm is the bleed one, but also one of the 2 high ilvl raid tier slots

[craggy pilot]

ahhhhh they have locked Embellishment pr slot? didnt know lol

[compact jackal]

the neck is 2 PPM, and I think 50% uptime? So like 225 stat?

so I think head > neck > bracers for damage?

[craggy pilot]

a link would be nice tbh

not everyone is using that WA package

[compact jackal]

Weapon is 6+haste PPM, but it's less than half the damage of the helm

[balmy narwhal]

https://wago.io/EkacvGjKf

[craggy pilot]

never used it but i will take a look

[uneven mason]

what the hell is that scattered mess

[compact jackal]

I feel this WA is trying to tell me something.

[craggy pilot]

scattered like fuck yes 🤣

[balmy narwhal]

Is there a better weakaura set?

To track cds?

[craggy pilot]

https://wago.io/LuxthosWarriorDragonflight

probably something like this?

[balmy narwhal]

yeah that looks good

[compact jackal]

I went for the giga braindead route. I use luxthos, removed the icons, and just put hekili below it. Thinking is hard.

[bold wave]

u can craft the wrists with vers and the shield with armor spikes

so ur setpiece on helm is free

[compact jackal]

the wrists are the raid recipe, the shield spikes are BAD

[warm plinth]

Hekili

[craggy pilot]

there is Bike Horn when Avatar is ready i think

[bold wave]

isnt it the same emblishment then the helmet one?

[balmy narwhal]

Thank you!

[mighty valley]

does anyone remember when yogi first posted an m+ video and there was an addon honking a clown horn the whole time and we didn't know why

[compact jackal]

lower damage than helm and belt, 1.1+haste PPM

[warm plinth]

it's because yogi is a clown

[craggy pilot]

but check out the other WA package, it might be way more up to date (the Llarold looks like it has SL stuff in it still)

some timers might be wrong etc etc

[balmy narwhal]

yeah I am checking the other one, but it is giving me some lua errors

[bold wave]

so i guess we would go for wrists and belt then no?

[compact jackal]

why use big brain when use small brain.

[craggy pilot]

watch the video on installation, i think there are a few steps to it

[compact jackal]

so the wrist is good vers with a fairly easy condition (4 within 30y), but the neck does give more stat technically. The belt is lower damage than the helm but 3 PPM vs 3.5

[craggy pilot]

its a long video, but the first 2.20 are installation

[compact jackal]

Wrist is at least easy for me to make at 5* tbh

Helm only matters until we can just catalyst it into tier if we even can with embellishment pieces

[craggy pilot]

5* epic wrist is easy for you already?

[wheat stirrup]

so world quests scale with ilvl. is there any reason to let a world quest time out if it's an upgrade but only by a few ilvl?

[uneven mason]

wat

no, that's minmaxing to ab obtuse level

[compact jackal]

By the time it comes out I should have the rest of my hammer control + fine armor done, yeah

[warm plinth]

If it's timing out, there's no reason not to do it

[bold wave]

i dont think we can get setpiece on embelished items

[compact jackal]

ah

[craggy pilot]

oh you going into Hammer Control already?

[warm plinth]

I'm not really sure what the logic would be on letting it expire without doing it

[compact jackal]

looking at the stats of the pieces, the tier helm is kinda jank iirc

I think it's crit/mast?

legs are just low ilvl but catalyst ahoy

[compact jackal]

hammer control unironically gives more stat than all but the specific slot in terms of bonus

[craggy pilot]

ye but you learn 0 epics from there

i think ill go for learning all the epics, then after i learned all, then i go Hammer

[compact jackal]

and it lets me have this meme

[craggy pilot]

damn you already made Primal Alloy

[compact jackal]

who doesn't want to 5* with only 2* mats and no proc?

[craggy pilot]

how does the "knowledge" reset tomorrow?

[compact jackal]

boy did I

[craggy pilot]

the Equip is the Embellish?

[compact jackal]

that's the fun part

It's not even an embellishment

[craggy pilot]

but its in the same slot as Embellishment?

ah so you can craft 2 other Embellish and still have this?

[compact jackal]

That's the fun part

It's just +25 skill required for a hilariously good benefit

[craggy pilot]

yea sick

im panda so even better ❤️

[warm plinth]

yeah if something is embellished dit has the "unique: embellished (2)" thing on it

[craggy pilot]

my racial is actually meaningful for once

[craggy pilot]

ye i was looking for it, but couldnt see it 😄 confused as fk lol

[compact jackal]

Sure you shouldn't die as a tank or DPS ideally, but you never know.

You die as a panda and you have no racial currently

[craggy pilot]

how did you get your BS to 100 tho? just crafting shit ton of random shit?

[craggy pilot]

PANDA THIS

[tribal oak]

Has anyone else experienced mobs shifting around them even though they aren't moving? Not sure if it is just a Tauren thing or what. Used to happen to me on bear all the time

[compact jackal]

get something to 30 and you can craft these to 100

[compact jackal]

Do you mean slowly walks in a circle around you while you stand still?

[craggy pilot]

something to 30? you mean renown?

[tribal oak]

Yes

[compact jackal]

all the time and I laugh every time

[compact jackal]

like shields or chest or long blades

[craggy pilot]

i have Armorsmithing 30

[compact jackal]

Look at what you get for chest or legs at 30

[craggy pilot]

like, do you have way more points than me or what?

[viral field]

What’s the highest you’ll be able to upgrade this to ilvl wise?

[compact jackal]

I have 126 points

[craggy pilot]

oh so you spent points in the end notes

[warm plinth]

Yeah it's fairly common when either the mob or the player has a large model

[craggy pilot]

how the fk

i have 53 :<

[compact jackal]

blacksmithing go brrrr

[craggy pilot]

did you craft them for work-orders or just sold to vendor?

[compact jackal]

I sold them, you can't do anything else with them

[craggy pilot]

you can work-order them i guess

[compact jackal]

they're non consumable and let you free repair wherever if you have 30/30 in that slot

[craggy pilot]

but would have to wait for 50 customers 🤣

oh its repair item

[tribal oak]

Are you a Tauren? I'm just trying to figure out why tf it's happening or if it's just some stupid bug

[compact jackal]

If I say my race everyone will laugh at me for my terrible decision

[uneven mason]

He's a human

[craggy pilot]

on my server each Masters Hammer is 2700g to craft

[compact jackal]

I can get 5* with the max ilvl.

I can probably do it with 1* mats

[craggy pilot]

wouldnt the difficulty go to 370?

and you have 337?

so not 5* ?

[compact jackal]

I'll have a bit more skill, but that's the fun part

this amazing stat

[craggy pilot]

like im 60 / 100 in BS and i have 53 skill points

how did you get 123 skill points at 100 / 100?

[compact jackal]

every shard towards BS, 4/5 consortium, all 9 treasures, still unable to get +5 from BS guy

[craggy pilot]

do you have crazy high Renown for crafting tools with First Craft?

[craggy pilot]

i have like 6 dragon shards i didnt use

guess i chug them to BS

[compact jackal]

none of the tools outside of my hammer, no alvin, only the armor spikes + stone from renown

[craggy pilot]

im 2/5 consortium, no clue where to farm this

[compact jackal]

none of the recipe/spec weapons

only missing these armors as a first craft

[craggy pilot]

and i have no idea what treasures you reference?

[compact jackal]

there's 8 epic treasures that give +3, and BS at least has a blue one that gives +3

There's a forge here that if you craft a PMA you can click an object for +3

[craggy pilot]

did you chug Artisans Mettle into skill points?

at the goblin in Valdrakken?

[compact jackal]

I am missing 1 (5/5 rep) from them, yes

[craggy pilot]

wdym?

i mean the Dusty Blacksmiths Diagram

10 points for 100 Artisan Mettle

[compact jackal]

Yeah, there's one unlocked at 5/5 that I don't have. I have the rest

You get like 60 total

[craggy pilot]

oh they are locked by rep?

[compact jackal]

yeah

[craggy pilot]

ahhh thought i could buy multiple of them

fuck it i just chug it then 😄

[compact jackal]

worse than a human

Regular boring goat

[craggy pilot]

did you learn Infurious Alloy yet?

[compact jackal]

Outside of literally every obsidian weapon, the only BoE plans I'm missing is Alvin and the boots

[craggy pilot]

and do you know how much more knowledge we can get after the reset?

[compact jackal]

I think it's 1 from the scribes, 3? from the weekly?

and then infinite from eggs

[craggy pilot]

holy shit you must have spent a shit ton of gold on plans lol

[craggy pilot]

infinite eggs from tomorrow or what?

[compact jackal]

er infinite dragon jewels or whatever

they're already infinite

[craggy pilot]

Dragon Shard of Knowledge?

[compact jackal]

That's the one

Also, looking at wowhead you might be able to also get +1's via expedition stuff at a 0.7% rate? Also Earth/Fire eles at about the same

[craggy pilot]

looks like the only shit giving me +skill now is Epics

gonna be a long run from 60-100 if i dont do the Hammer stuff

that would be like 100k gold lol

[compact jackal]

Cheaper than reforging.

[craggy pilot]

is that the only other way of lvling?

[boreal crescent]

Is Frenzying Signoll Flare any good? I got a 372 one this week. It's not on the icyveins or wowhead list of "dps trinkets" for prot warriors... I mean it's not on the arms or fury warrior lists either... But other classes have it as number 1... Am I missing something?

[craggy pilot]

@compact jackal hmm looks like i had the treasures from Waking Shores 🤔

any way i can double check?

[compact jackal]

Wowhead has a list with waypoints. The shard you just right click the forge I imagine and see if it gives a message

[craggy pilot]

do i need to do something before? im at 3rd treasure now and cant take it

@compact jackal i am fucking idiot

[compact jackal]

Int IS your dump stat as a warrior.

[craggy pilot]

i fucking went to the treasure guide, and looked at the top one thinking there was 1 set of treasures that was shared

and its the fucking Alchemy or some shit 🤣

i just flew to 4 before realizing

ill try the BS treasures now ❤️

[main sable]

So this is a prot/blacksmith question.
I'm specializing in weaponsmith. Trying to debate what weapon to make first with my first spark.
Primal longsword, Obsidian axe or fist weapon. (I'll have rep for fist weapon in a couple days)
Or should I just make 2hander and sell?

[boreal crescent]

I personally used spark to make my 384 shield

and used the epic matrix to upgrade the 1h sword

[compact jackal]

Well, you can't make a 2hander until the raid releases so that's a thing.

[main sable]

@compact jackal did I read it wrong then for the plans available?

[compact jackal]

Read the materials required

[craggy pilot]

@compact jackal so far found 5, but 1 it seemed like i had already found

do i get achievement when i get all 9 or something?

[olive steeple]

Best embellishments for prot warriors?

[craggy pilot]

or how do i know i found all

[cobalt seal]

Skill

[olive steeple]

Skill?

[compact jackal]

nah, just +3s

[craggy pilot]

hmm ok ill try

[cobalt seal]

Thats the important thing

[compact jackal]

helm/neck/wrist/belt are the safe options

[cobalt seal]

Not what gear you should use

Gear is like 1%

[olive steeple]

Lol so I’m not allowed to ask about gear

[cobalt seal]

Of what it matters

[olive steeple]

Interesting g

[olive steeple]

Ty

[main sable]

Yup. I did misread it. I must have just glanced at that one.

[compact jackal]

I'm not sure on the exact damage % of each, but helm is 3.5 PPM and more damage then the belt which is 3 PPM. Weapon is 6 + haste PPM and just under half the damage of the helm. The neck is 2 PPM and I believe 40% uptime for I don't know, like 190 secondary stat at 392 ilvl (accounting for downtime)? Bracers are ~200 vers with the condition of 4 allies in 30 yd

[cobalt seal]

And all tbd

[craggy pilot]

wow i have 29 extra power now, but cant spec into Hammer yet because it requires 75 🤔 i picked Weaponsmithing at 50 🤣

@compact jackal

thinking of just chugging 20 into one of the armorsmithing

[compact jackal]

chucking 29 into one gives the biggest bonus to that one, chucking it into hammer benefits all

29 into 1 also means 1 off master's hammer aka free 100 BS

[craggy pilot]

its not free though

not gonna spend 100k on crafting those hammers

[craggy pilot]

i meant into sculpted armor or fine armor, so i get more epic plans

and i cant even do hammer yet anyway since i dont have 75 😦

[torn gulch]

There is a neck with over 400 secondary stats proc for embelished

at 2ppm

that looks like one of the embelishments

but it won't be available until season starts because the recipe drops from primal storms

[cobalt seal]

It is

There is no point

In crafting now

[compact jackal]

the issue is the 40% uptime

[cobalt seal]

Why is that a issue

[torn gulch]

he considers it too low

most likely

tbh all of this will need to be simmed

before we actually know the answer

[cobalt seal]

Like pretty much all tc

[compact jackal]

So it's 400 secondary stat for 24/60 seconds, or 160 or so

[cobalt seal]

Find that broken

[compact jackal]

We could probably sim it now actually couldn't we?

[torn gulch]

do we have full embelishment implementation in sims?

[compact jackal]

I'm just going with the safe route on the embellishments for now and going off the average stat they provide per minute tbf

[torn gulch]

which one is the helm one?

[compact jackal]

Easy way to get an idea, bad idea in regards to burst

[torn gulch]

i found the belt one

[compact jackal]

Infurious Helm

[torn gulch]

the pvp one?

[compact jackal]

Higher PPM and more damage than the belt for some reason

At 3* it's like 7300 vs 6800?

[cobalt seal]

Just wait for sims

[craggy pilot]

@compact jackal at 36 points now

[compact jackal]

^

[craggy pilot]

kinda huge

[torn gulch]

yea we'll have to wait for sims especially at 418 ilvl

[craggy pilot]

not sure if i should chug it for more Epic plans, or save it for Hammer

[compact jackal]

Hammer can carry you to 100 skill

[craggy pilot]

need to get 15 skill somehow for Hammer 🤔

i mean Hammer Control

[torn gulch]

at least we can use that embelish that is not an embelish and save on food costs

kekeke

[compact jackal]

yup

I do imagine the bracers are going to be surprisingly strong in sims.

[torn gulch]

and i think we can wear 5 crafted items with 2 handers counting as 2 items

[wary heath]

Do we know If they have addressed how public crafting without minimum quality requirements makes sparks basically useless and risky to use until this is addressed ?

[torn gulch]

not yet

[compact jackal]

Public crafting without minimum quality means nothing tbf

[craggy pilot]

@compact jackal
is hammer legit the only way to skill up past 60?

[compact jackal]

Recrafting gives a skill bonus so it's the way to go

[compact jackal]

hammer or epic recipes

[torn gulch]

i'm not touching public orders until then i am lucky i have very good crafters in my guild

[craggy pilot]

hmm, 40 epic recipe work-orders 🤔

[torn gulch]

we organised pretty well

[warm plinth]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/world-quests-will-remain-bi-weekly-tomorrow-330319?webhook

[wary heath]

So just stock pile all chaos. Sparks and power infusions for now?

[warm plinth]

kickflip revert

[wary heath]

And titan matrixes?

[compact jackal]

Or toss a spark on the shield if you really want to

[torn gulch]

you can use titan matrixes because you can do max 382 with them anyway

[compact jackal]

^

[torn gulch]

i am keeping my sparks for now

on all chars

[craggy pilot]

ye i think matrixes you just chug

[cunning cipher]

How good is Armor Spikes embellish?

[compact jackal]

For reference, I can already 5* with the mythic primal thing

[craggy pilot]

i have 3x Matrix lvl 1, and i have no idea what to use them for now

[wary heath]

Can you garuntee titans matrices work orders?

Ilvl

[torn gulch]

i did not see any matrixes in my m0 world tour

[wary heath]

Isn't it a range

[torn gulch]

you can get 5 stars with titan 4 with proper crafters

[wary heath]

Through private I assume

[torn gulch]

yep

[craggy pilot]

through private or guild

but a 377 is still pretty good

or 374

[wary heath]

Okay. I'll just hunt Down some crafters then. I got the 372 haste verse shield so I might choose something else

[craggy pilot]

@compact jackal did you farm Renown for the plans?

[torn gulch]

and farm gnarls every day for chance for a shield

what's your ilvl?

[compact jackal]

nope

[craggy pilot]

and how did you farm Artisan Consortium?

[wary heath]

I'm 369 I think

[compact jackal]

professions to 50

[wary heath]

Not sure how behind I am

[craggy pilot]

you farmed multiple to 50 and abandoned them?

[torn gulch]

yep do gnars every day his main drop is a shield which should be 376-379 at your ilvl

if you're lucky

you can get it

[compact jackal]

and every quest

[craggy pilot]

oof

oh well i will do the quests

[compact jackal]

Have you seen how dumb recraft + inspiration can get?

[craggy pilot]

and i already did Mining+BS to 50+

[torn gulch]

i did not did not invest that much time into crafting

how dumb?

[compact jackal]

I can 5* this on a recraft.

from a 3* to a 5*

[gilded oar]

anybody know why when i enter a dungeon it changes my ui entirely, like all my keybinds and stuff? maybe an elvui setting?

[compact jackal]

Are you a different spec in the open world?

[torn gulch]

that's really dumb wtf

[compact jackal]

If I had someone on my server with it I could show you what the recraft looks like

[gilded oar]

no

exact same spec

[compact jackal]

Oh weird

[gilded oar]

it jsut filled my bar with random crap like stuff form my bags and stuff and removed all of my buttons

and when i left the dungeon it went back to normal

[agile elbow]

Is there a skip for the Obsidian Sanctum quests if you've done it on your main? I've seen people say something about it..

[open gazelle]

I’m 381 item level I don’t think there’s much more I can do to improve gear before m+ comes out

Hoping for more titan matrix drops next week in m0 I guess

[torn gulch]

at 381 you can stop

[coarse crystal]

What you think is the best slot to use a titan matrix in

for 382 item

[torn gulch]

depends on what you have

in my opinion shield and weapon

[wary heath]

Lol damn 382

How

[torn gulch]

5 stars titan matrix 4 craft

[torn gulch]

lucky you i haven't seen one in my world tours

[wary heath]

Yeah I got one through all 8 mythics

[torn gulch]

how is your shield and weapon?

[coarse crystal]

got 1 on 2 tours, so they not very common

[torn gulch]

ilvl wise?

[coarse crystal]

372 shield, shit weapon

[compact jackal]

You should totally burn it on the cloak for a 382 cloak

Why does the crafted cloak require tailoring to wear?

[coarse crystal]

But not as much main stat from a weapon than other piece

[torn gulch]

i mean if you're a freak you can get a 398 cloak with haste/vers

depends on how much of a freak you are

[compact jackal]

They nerfed the hyperspawn for it

I'm 3/6 but man is it soulcrushing

[torn gulch]

my guildmates were still doing fine in the farm even after the nerf

it took 8 hours full grind

from start to finish

for some of my guildmates

[craggy pilot]

the amount of hyper grinds this early in the game is kinda nuts 😄

[compact jackal]

I would be dying of sheer boredom after like 45 minutes.

[torn gulch]

yep

i am skipping it

i can pay about a mill to do it

[compact jackal]

Also, +1 blacksmithing knowledge 😎

[torn gulch]

not worth it

[craggy pilot]

from where?

[compact jackal]

I've been mining and getting satchels

[torn gulch]

yep satchels give knowledge

and dirt if i am not mistaken

dirt is actual gold this xpac

feel like a gold rush prospector

[torn gulch]

a guy finished renown with valdraken with satchels and dirt only

like 3300 of them

insane

absolute monster

[craggy pilot]

what is satchels and dirt?

[torn gulch]

expedition packs and dirt patches

[compact jackal]

literal dirt

[torn gulch]

you see them on the map

you open them you get artifacts

which you hand in

and you get rep

[compact jackal]

Honey, don't forget your shovel collection!

[craggy pilot]

rep with anyone?

[torn gulch]

if you're insane like some people you can farm 3300 of them and get full rep with valdraken and 400+ primal chaos

[craggy pilot]

jesus

[torn gulch]

yea the guy is a monster

[craggy pilot]

it feels like its not meant to play the game like this 🤣

[torn gulch]

it is but someone will do it

it always happens because that's how some peeps play the game

tehnically you can prob do it with ultra hunt farming with the centaurs

gives you like 15 rep per step+4 trophies at the end on white satchels

[craggy pilot]

oh i think i just unlocked shovel thing

[torn gulch]

so 190 rep per hunt

so 13-14 hunts per renown level

a hunt takes like 15-20 min so 3/4h per level

[craggy pilot]

i just did 1 hunt this week only

or 2 i think

[torn gulch]

if you're degen you can finish that one in a couple of days as well

but at the end you're gonna become rexxar's master

hemet will be a novice compared to you

[craggy pilot]

how does rock climbing work?

am i actually supposed to climb stuff? im just dragonriding all the way to the top 😄

[solemn magnet]

In the tutorial there was stuff to click in the mtn side. It wasn't really a race to the top. Idk outside of that.

[compact jackal]

Juicy.

[craggy pilot]

hmm i didnt rly get a tutorial then i guess

[lyric geode]

Wow. I was on par on dmg with the rest of the dps... Tank damage is something else.

[craggy pilot]

you mean dps dps is something else?

[compact jackal]

DPS are just tanks that die easy, duh

[craggy pilot]

i need Maruuk rep and Valdrakken rep, and yet here i am grinding Dragonscale rep 🤣

[compact jackal]

Dragonscale is fun and engaging.

[craggy pilot]

im just flying to all the peaks currently

[compact jackal]

I do loops in Waking Shores so I can kill Obsidian rares while I'm at it

[craggy pilot]

i hate doing just random loops

which is probably why i was always just bad at Gathering 🤣

is there a way to farm Dragonscale of knowledge? @compact jackal

[compact jackal]

treasure and gathering

[craggy pilot]

how else do we get them?

[compact jackal]

that's it

[craggy pilot]

oh

maybe ill go treasure hunting then

did you find all treasures?

[neon elk]

Not sure u "can find all"

[sick sentinel]

i did the shield dungeon on heroic tslked to it.... required 25 bs, current skill 8 or 10

big sadge

[tropic star]

what happened to battering ram to make it not suggested anymore

thought it was in the single target build b4

[wary heath]

what do the dragonscale of knowledge do again

dragon shards rather

[neon elk]

If we mean same thing then u can trade it for profesion knowledge

[vast rivet]

Anyone know where to get Airy Souls? I can't seem to find elite air elementals.

[warm plinth]

wowhead's guide says "the primalist future" in Thaldraszus but I can't seem to find where that is

[vast rivet]

Thank you so much for your help

i knew it was somehting fucky

[stone grove]

How good is the Darkmoon trinket atm?

[atomic crow]

Primal Molten Defender or Shield Of Hearth for vers proc?

[lyric elm]

Go to the Chromie portal and enter

The last part of the main story

[slim pier]

ignore pain is pretty big healing

wasn't it worse in SL

[novel temple]

What does they shield get you anyway,

[ionic fern]

Some on-demand onetime damage proc.

[proven depot]

which spark of ingenuity gear should i craft?

[past lark]

i did primal molten defender

figured a bigger shield would go a longer way day 1 of m+ and raiding with the higher block value

[cunning cipher]

Shield of the Hearth can't have it's base stats changed right? Crit and Mastery is pretty dog tier.

[past lark]

yeah that's the other thing. being able to choose haste/verse is insane

i farmed a lot of bs knowledge, used a finishing touch, and got my big boy to be a 389 defender

[slender quest]

You can craft a Spike on the other shield with haste vers not Sure how good is the spike

[cunning cipher]

Blue post earlier said they fixed the blacksmith master to give you knowledge but I went there about an hour ago and it was still bugged sadge

[upbeat salmon]

How much did the shield set you back if I may ask.

[past lark]

hmmm i think total about 45-50k

[ionic fern]

?? What cost so much

o.o

[upbeat salmon]

BS mats I'd assume

[past lark]

i think the high quality alloys

[ionic fern]

Get me on that server

BS mats are dirt cheap on mine

[past lark]

15 x 2k for each

[cunning cipher]

The 3 star alloys for me are like 2.7k each atm

[past lark]

yeah thats what it was for me

[ionic fern]

Smh.

[upbeat salmon]

So how does the quality play into this?

[ionic fern]

Rich servers.

[upbeat salmon]

More stats?

[past lark]

Darkspear definitely isn't a rich server lmfao

i just got the name Situation perfectly spelled on an alt. no one is playing on this server lmao

[cunning cipher]

I thought commodities were region wide anyway, don't alloys fall under that?

[past lark]

higher ilvl

i dunno

[upbeat salmon]

Isn't that the matrix?

[past lark]

tbh im totally lost this time around, feel like i don't know anything about what's going on

i mean im 380, so i've done my part

but like all the changes to commodities and such, no clue

[torn lodge]

I thought about this too, but then there's jewelcrafting necks and engineering wrist/helm.. Is there any obvious choice that i'm not aware of?

[upbeat salmon]

I'm just worried dropping a spark on a shield that I'll replace week one of m+

[past lark]

what i really wanna know is wtf to enchant my stuff

nah the crafted gear will last you

[torn lodge]

this is what i'm worried about

[upbeat salmon]

I'm not enchanting yet

[past lark]

the crafters marks from raid will drop for you

[upbeat salmon]

200k for weapon enchants rogl

I don't raid

[past lark]

and you recraft your gear with the better ilvl

[cunning cipher]

Your shield wont be dead, you can upgrade it with mats from M+11 and higher keys

[past lark]

also that ^

[upbeat salmon]

Aah!

[past lark]

can't imagine they'd make it only available in raids

[upbeat salmon]

I mean blizz

[past lark]

lol true

[upbeat salmon]

Sometimes it's convoluted

[cunning cipher]

M+16 and above drops items that let you take the crafted gear all the way to 418 ilvl

[upbeat salmon]

Cheers for that inf9

Info

So spark crafting early at good prices is worth it

So like legendaries from sl again?

You craft start of xpac and they last you

[cunning cipher]

Pretty much

[past lark]

yeah looks like it

[upbeat salmon]

Except less power tied to em

[cunning cipher]

You also will get another spark every 2 weeks so you can change your mind later

[low kindle]

How manly 16s+ do you need to run to get that?

[upbeat salmon]

I'd be happy to run one on first week tbh

Doubt I'll get past 10s

[cunning cipher]

Probably a lot

[upbeat salmon]

I'd say 20 or so, yanked from my ass

[cunning cipher]

But M+11-15 drop items that let you take the crafted gear to heroic raid ilvl too

[upbeat salmon]

Two weeks worth of farming seems reasonable

[past lark]

whats heroic raid ilvl this time around?

[low kindle]

Gotcha.

[upbeat salmon]

39x?

[cunning cipher]

402 base I think

Since 389 is base for normal you just add 13 for every difficulty

[past lark]

tbh pretty insane to start out the raid tier 380 when the heroic gear is 402

this whole rare farming week has been such a shitshow, but it was overall a pretty good idea

[upbeat salmon]

Got another week to farm em

[ionic fern]

402-408-411 for HC

[upbeat salmon]

Don't imagine high end guilds spending much time in NM, if they even bother

I mean they'll probably run it once, and then farm heroic for mythic prog

[warm plinth]

@vast rivet

[urban portal]

It’s gonna be the same as always

Heroic, then mythic as far as you can, and normal to fill up rest of the slots missing

[past lark]

WTB "high end guild"

[cunning cipher]

Which chad guild is gonna come out and steal first boss WF with 90 wipes this time while liquid and echo are doing hc splits

[warm plinth]

are you referring to something here

it's pretty frequent that Liquid and Echo don't get world first of early bosses

[upbeat salmon]

Don't they usually play the long game?

[ionic fern]

Hunting world first early bosses is like hunting world first mythic +2.

[upbeat salmon]

^

[compact jackal]

so you're saying I can have the world first m+2??????

[upbeat salmon]

Doubt, but you could

[ionic fern]

No, that's mine.

[compact jackal]

I'm going to get the world first m+2 solo world tour and you can stop me

[warm plinth]

Yeah. The only boss that one of the top 2 guilds got WF on in the last 2 expansions was Sivarra in TEP

Every other raid it was another guild for at least the first boss

[upbeat salmon]

You'd think the only WF that's worth anything in m+ are ksm and ksh

[lyric elm]

That's actually a fun challenge lol

[upbeat salmon]

And then obviously how high they cna push keys

[lyric elm]

I'll try it on VDH

[compact jackal]

The only world first is the one that you care about.

[upbeat salmon]

True

[compact jackal]

You will all be world firsts to me.

[upbeat salmon]

Wholesome

[urban bane]

surely this is a bit shite for a trinket yeh?

[upbeat salmon]

No clue

I tend to fidget a fair bit so it's useless to me, but if you can stay put at leat a few times that's a nice speed boost

Might be useless on last boss azure

Useful soz

Since you're meant to not move

[urban bane]

i dont really care about the movement gimmick as much as the value of the stats compared to value of proc/on use effects on other trinkets

[upbeat salmon]

Well I don't know what blazing soul does

[urban bane]

thats the movement gimmick :P

[upbeat salmon]

I guess it would depend how fast you buld the stacks

[lyric elm]

It has a good stat budget at least

[upbeat salmon]

But haste is good, and avoidance is always kinda noce

[lyric elm]

The effect is a meme however

[urban bane]

for sure

[lyric elm]

You'll see many trinkets with only strength and no secondaries

[urban bane]

yeah so thats what im wondering i guess

[sand pebble]

When i was leveling at most i had 5 stacks

Perfect for a target dummy though

[warm plinth]

Yeah it's basically just a stat stick. I don't think it loses budget for the effect

[lyric elm]

Yes I'd say it's strong, most trinkets are good now

[warm plinth]

Kinda hard to say though since there's like no stat sticks this expansion

[lyric elm]

Fuck you Arcanocrystal

[cunning cipher]

Isn't there a raid trinket with Str + Vers that increases if other people in your group have other trinkets?

[wary heath]

great ...thanks...

[wide fiber]

just got a plan for shield of the hearth, and i noticed its not super hard to make. is it all that good, or am i bettr off waiting?

[ionic fern]

Yes, shield is always good.

[upbeat salmon]

don't you need an engi for it though ?

looks finicky to make

[ionic fern]

It's BS. 👀

[pallid quiver]

You need an engi to help you get one of the soulbound ingredients

The earthen soul iirc

[upbeat salmon]

yeah that's what i meant

[heavy temple]

Hmmm... can we not apply sockets to the collar from wrathion rep?

[neon elk]

Which rank does colar require ? 3 or 4 ?

[heavy temple]

friend

[slim dove]

4

[heavy temple]

maybe i was wrong

I purchased after finishing the grind

[weary python]

Do we have a decent listing of trinkets to use? Icy veins and WoWhead have different ones listed.

[slim dove]

isn't 4 friend?

maybe i was wrong also

[neon elk]

Acording to wowhead friend is 5 :/

[slim dove]

i quit farming when blizz fixed hyperspawn just as i sat down to start farming it

oh w8 is 4/6 Fang, 5/6 Friend, 6/6 true friend?

[neon elk]

Yes, acording to wowhead

So u need 5/6 for neck and back

[jagged pier]

u need 5/6 for neck and 6/6 for back

[ionic fern]

New lists coming soon due to m+/Raid releasing.

[jagged pier]

dont bother doing the farm now tho

its not worth it

[slim dove]

👆

[neon elk]

Yea i would need like 80+ keys to be 6/6

If i dont count other things

[solar blade]

if youve got enough gold to spend you can just buy the tokens and hand them to the quartermaster

[slate kestrel]

Is it worth to use the pure haste gem or is haste/vers the better option since it gives more stats combined? :S

[solar blade]

dont know how much youll nees tho

[wary heath]

isn't the neck and back replaced tuesday morning, the day of M+ opening

[jagged pier]

spending your gold to do that farm is useless as the gear is useless in a few weeks

if u want the other rewards maybe

but doing just for the gear dont do that

waste of gold

and its probs millions of gold at this point

[neon elk]

Like 2.5m worth of gold xd , aint gona do that, im actuly thinking about selling my rings

[slate kestrel]

was like 3 million when i last checked the price

[wary heath]

oh i'd sell all the rings

[solar blade]

hahaha weeeell thats insane

[slim dove]

its hours and hours of farming for a neck and back slot

meh

get ahead on grass touching before season starts lol

[neon elk]

Screw gear, i want black dragon and that mamooth

[slim dove]

first key per week is 2500 rep

[jagged pier]

u need true friend with both for mount

[neon elk]

But i aint gona burn myself on that for it

Yea i know

[ionic fern]

You sound like someone who went through the trouble of farming it.

[jagged pier]

brah my farm was ez

[neon elk]

I just hope rings rise in price so i can profit xd

[ionic fern]

What's your ilvl now?

[jagged pier]

did it in like 3hours

its like 15 + now

probably longer

[ionic fern]

Hmm, my buddy did it in 9 hours yesterday

[noble lynx]

Sounds like a threesome

[jagged pier]

ew

[ionic fern]

What is your ilvlllll

[jagged pier]

still trash cause i have 333 feet and 343 legs

[ionic fern]

😒

[neon elk]

Buy pvp ones

Free 366

[jagged pier]

that would require me to pvp

[neon elk]

World pvp, just open suply cache

[ionic fern]

Unironically PvP as prot right now is STUPID easy.

You do so much damage.

😂

Even i did some random BG's.

[neon elk]

Just turn on warmod, and colect those , first of day = one piece of gear

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[ionic fern]

Just nicked it from #pvp

[slate kestrel]

shouldn't there be pvp worldquests? :S ... just turned wm on and i don't see any on the map

[wary heath]

there are

there was as 372 shoulder up earlier, and 750 bloody tokens earlier

they aren't always up

[slate kestrel]

what timer are they on?=

[slim dove]

uh

[wary heath]

they had 7 hours remaining when I did them, and I didn't see them yesterday when I turned it on also

[slim dove]

usual daily reset

they are the only WQ that reset daily it seems

[slate kestrel]

ah, okay

[slim dove]

keep an eye on #pvp

someone posts whenever they come up

[wary heath]

when mythic 0s become irrelevant even after the first reset...

maybe it's always been the case

[slate kestrel]

so basically just turn wm on before you go to bed an decide to do or not do them the next day 😄

[slim dove]

its good gear to plug a few holes if you get unlucky with the two m0 clears

but not make-or-break your week 1 m+

[neon elk]

Im actualy at point where i consider not even doing next m0s because i can get like 2-3 upgrades which is rather small chance , maybe even less after doing weeklies

[slim dove]

im just doin it to hang with friends

carry a few giga casual buddies

[heavy temple]

Black scales is just one, or?
Is the rep neck, bugged?

Regarding sockets

[jagged pier]

what?

[slim dove]

you need true friend/maxed rep with wrathion and sabelillion to get the mount.

[heavy temple]

I can't socket my obsidian collar

Since you got it too, I wanted to ask if you can

[jagged pier]

why would i socket something im going to replace

when i get a neck with haste within 10ilvls

[upbeat salmon]

dumb question, am I meant to actively rend targets ?

[onyx pike]

750 tokens for what?

[pallid quiver]

but no, TC applies rend

Due to Blood and Thunder

[upbeat salmon]

cheers

[junior crane]

Im new to wow but thinking of tanking. How high is the amp on Warrior compared to other tanks?

[jagged pier]

highest

[junior crane]

Damn. Class looks fun but I need something relatively low APM

[long stone]

I do it got. the Chance of Matrix ( the craft things At the end?)

[jagged pier]

how come? if your new should be perfect time to learn one of the higher paced specs

[junior crane]

Long life as a software developer and mmo player. My wrists only have so many clicks left n them lol

[warm plinth]

I wonder how long I have left until I start feeling pain

[jagged pier]

i mean im a software dev and been playing mmo for more than half my life, u just need to do exercises for fingers and wrists etc, but if not VDH is slower

[warm plinth]

I'm not a software dev but I spend my entire shift at work talking to you cuties

Speaking of cuties

@ionic fern hi ily

[ionic fern]

Good day.

[eager phoenix]

Does anyone know if Critical Failure Prevention Unit on a craft means your choice of tinker 100% never fails? The wording is a bit vague and struggling to find info on Wowhead "no longer catastrophically malfunction". Not sure if the quote means there are layers to failure? 😛

[warm plinth]

If you're referring to the engineer tinker, then yeah it means it prevents the potential failure

[cobalt seal]

It should at max rank

Unless tinkers dont have ranks

[eager phoenix]

And a follow-up regarding tinkers specifically, for example Breath of Neltharion. Whats the difference between rank 1 and rank 3? The tooltips are exactly same

I would guess failure rate goes down with higher rank, but if I have the Prevention Unit it does it matter?

[deft vessel]

I have never been this overwhelmed with trinket choice this early in an expansion

I both love it, and am thoroughly lost

most of them seem good to use lol

so I'm probably overthinking it

right now I've stuck with these two, any advice from the chat here:

[strong forum]

They are pretty much the best

[deft vessel]

I'll stick with for now then

I'd like a higher ilvl of the active but haven't been able to get one lol

[lyric elm]

The shark is nuts (and funny)

[sly perch]

Am I missing something? Doesn’t feel “right”.

[lyric elm]

I have the primal ritual shell too for aoe, but idk if it's that good

[sweet summit]

it's like 30% uptime on like 1.3k mastery

not bad

[jagged pier]

well we dont barbaric and u dont have seismic

[sly perch]

Ah. Look at that

Ty for your sharp eye

[gaunt dawn]

a fellow curved screen gamer

[sly perch]

Is there any other way 😛

[gaunt dawn]

but also

[potent crypt]

hi everyone

[gaunt dawn]

snipping tool

hello

[potent crypt]

guys what is a best trinkets?

for m+

[gaunt dawn]

ones with ilvl

[potent crypt]

xD

love dat

[gaunt dawn]

M+ isnt for another week

your focus is ilvl

and then optimisation

[potent crypt]

yeee i preparing

ok

i think with nerf 15% ignorepain talent still good

no?

[lyric geode]

How based is it to get 1 week ban for abusive chat?

[lyric geode]

Probably dd trinkets.

[toxic pasture]

Guys I’m going crazy has it allways been action on button release instead of tab . For love of god I can’t find setting to change this

[sweet summit]

if they fix the bug it's technically a buff

[sweet summit]

this one?

or this one

[toxic pasture]

Yessssss! Thaaank you champs

[sweet summit]

[toxic pasture]

Shoot no

[sweet summit]

uhoh

[toxic pasture]

Not that

[sweet summit]

then idk what you'r referring to

[toxic pasture]

Like all regular spells we use , they activate on button release

Has it been like that always ?

[sweet summit]

idk i'm using elvui and in the 2nd image you can see a setting to have it activate on key down or key release

i'm using key down

[toxic pasture]

Boom got it yep that’s it . Thank you so much

[sweet summit]

[toxic pasture]

Use you up while you here nr pro. Got a quick macro for Ravager to activate at feet ?

Mr’

[sweet summit]

/cast [@player]Ravager```

[toxic pasture]

Thank you

[sweet summit]

[dry skiff]

Hey guys

What is better?
Use revenge or WW?

[limpid anchor]

Ww is 360

[dry skiff]

Yep

But in a ideal situation

Revenge is better always, right?

With all mobs stacked

[blazing condor]

dont listen to hamyngway he's meming

always revenge

you dont use WW

since youre tanking you're never gonna have mobs behind you anyway

revenge is just better

[dry skiff]

Ok ok

Thank you

[craggy pilot]

Whirlwind, Slam and Rend should never be on your bar, period

[zenith vale]

All 3 succ

hem one is automatic

[craggy pilot]

Rend doesnt suck

[zenith vale]

That’s my 2nd sentence

[sturdy sable]

If your casting it it does lol

[craggy pilot]

Rend costing rage as Prot is bad ye

[jagged pier]

WW is 360 degree tho

[craggy pilot]

tank enemies with your back, press WW, profit?

[balmy crater]

Guys whats the best way to group mobs as prot?

[vital sinew]

be 5-7 seconds ahead of the group if they can't wait

[zenith vale]

Sometimes I would dream of a right click active block

Like other MMOs

Dont ya ?

With shield up in front of enemy

https://tenor.com/view/shield-gif-19642906

[glacial skiff]

is the dps cobalt assembly ring worth using as prot? I know the tank proc is really strong, but content atm is stupid easy so just curious if it's worth a damn

[trim bay]

Yes

[craggy pilot]

no clue what you mean, you can just bind stuff to your right click i guess?

[zenith vale]

Hmm no i mean like in ESO or NW

Right click and shield is up

And u take less dmg

Like a real shield

But I suppose this can’t work in WoW

hm it could work but with a CD

[jolly granite]

What do you guys planing on use your crafting matrix for?

[waxen cedar]

Is there any proffesion usefull at all ?

[lyric geode]

Why use whirlwind?

[jolly granite]

You don’t

[lyric geode]

!

[jolly granite]

WW is one of the buttons you can get out of your bars

[bold wave]

but ww is 360

[lyric geode]

ok so that was troll

[jolly granite]

Tony hawk is 720!

[craggy pilot]

bro just bind ur Shield Wall to right click, and youre done 😄

[bold wave]

Tony hawk is mvp

[lyric geode]

Please , people use /s if you want to be sarcastic. People who are noobs like myself are easily guilible.

[jolly granite]

👍

[zenith vale]

Haha

[dry skiff]

I friend told me to use, and when i start a big pull i use WW to generation of inicial threat in away mobs

[ionic fern]

I hope that's a joke.

[jagged pier]

[onyx pike]

Dungeon related question, can I run trough the chains on the Chargath encounter?

Or does the chain then trigger on me? I'm afraid to try in pug

[craggy pilot]

you just Avatar + Dragon Roar + Ravager + Thunderclap

and no one can take ur aggro even if they tried

oh and Demo Shout

[dry skiff]

Doesnt
I started play recently, so i am Noob

[ionic fern]

That's the dude who chains random people?
He chains, you kite him through the chains when he does the slashes..he slashes the chain.

[dry skiff]

Yep, i do this in big pulls
And BS too

[onyx pike]

aah ok, because on my very first run I thought I failed by running through the chain.

[ionic fern]

o.o

[craggy pilot]

in almost all pulls

[ionic fern]

I always run through the chain.

[craggy pilot]

shoot it on CD

[onyx pike]

thought DPS have to pull the chain around him or so

[dry skiff]

Ravager ever in CD? Ok

I Will do this now

[onyx pike]

good good, will do that from now on then

[craggy pilot]

BS? 🤔

[onyx pike]

tnx mate

[craggy pilot]

you mean bladestorm?

[craggy pilot]

why not? what are you saving it for?

[dry skiff]

Yes

[ionic fern]

That's one way..but DPS'ers can't be relied on to know mechanics. 😄

[craggy pilot]

you dont have BS as Prot 😄

[ionic fern]

So just do it yourself to avoid the head ache.

[dry skiff]

Oh yeah, of course
I confuse because Last night i played like arms

Lol

[unkempt hazel]

fellers

hows the prot self sustain these days

[craggy pilot]

good

[unkempt hazel]

[lyric geode]

I feel offended when the healer tries to heal me

[unkempt hazel]

the reason im askin is that i got spoiled by druid and pala tanks at least in solo content

[lyric geode]

?

[unkempt hazel]

I remember struggling staying alive for long time cuz slowly u just go down eventually, while palas and druids just selfheal to full forever

[lyric geode]

ah ok

[weary sun]

I prefer using Avatar to break from roots

[placid oar]

Hi fellow warriors, may I ask why we pick focused vigor instead of enduring alacrity for our talents? Trying to understand as I just came back to wow

[strong forum]

5% str = lots of damage gain

[placid oar]

Oh I see, it’s for the damage?

[strong forum]

Enduring alacrity doesn't grant you any dmg besides a tiny bit from armor
And 1% haste

[placid oar]

I see

Thanks a lot Nomeratur

Really appreciate it

[unkempt hazel]

am I looking at wrong builds? cuz every single one on wowhead uses alacrity

[craggy pilot]

anyone know if its possible to see if a person is Gnomish or Goblin engineering through the Armory somehow? 🤔

[clear spindle]

Most builds referenced here are going to be in the pins.

[unkempt hazel]

so faq was a lie

[errant birch]

Fueled by Violence over Brutal Vitality after reset?

[old sinew]

you can jump over the chain and it won't trigger on you

[smoky saffron]

So question looking at the talents why do we not take BSV in a raid environment?

[limber flame]

where is gral's tooth from?

[jagged pier]

u should be running it now as BV is bugged

[errant birch]

I guess but after reset BV is 15% from 30%, and fueled will be 85% from 65%

[jagged pier]

because tanks dont die in raid, all the damage is very predicable. will u use it for the last mythic bosses on prog, but your wont be taking it in normal or hc nothing will kill u unless u play badly

[jagged pier]

changes nothing if BV wasnt bugged u would run BV

[errant birch]

Running BV after the nerfs?

[jagged pier]

if they fix it

from being bugged

u will run it

[astral crystal]

what's the bug

[jagged pier]

if IP hits cap it stops working

which happens all the time

as we spam IP all the time

[astral crystal]

ye

that's pretty serious

[stark jewel]

what if instead of fixing this bug they just completely uncap IP 😄

[astral crystal]

🥹

[lyric elm]

wow the turtle trinket is strong

its like 7% of my dps

[slim dove]

Mine keeps resetting to wind lmao

[lyric elm]

yea and it gets removed when you die sometimes

have to re-equip

(how did he manage to die as a prot warrior? dont ask)

[lyric geode]

Uncap IP.

That will fix the problem.

[lyric elm]

truly

[lyric geode]

Besides, it will effectively increase our effective health pool by 55%

[uneven mason]

Bring back Legion ip