Gavel anyone
#protection
dusky canopy
I’m of the opinion that this is a good thing though!
tropic gorge
So am I. When it's time to move on, it's time to move on
dusky canopy
Like think about this guys
They had to gut sl items
because they couldn’t design us new weapons that were better
That’s a big L for us
Could you imagine seeing gavels in the rwf this season
LOL
novel temple
Does pre pull gavel work?
dusky canopy
No they gutted the item
novel temple
If you then swap weapons?
dusky canopy
Effect no longer works above level 60
novel temple
Yeah but before the guy
oak echo
i was pretty sure they specifically killed weapon swapping on gavel back in season 3
dusky canopy
Well you’d use the weapon effect and swap after it’s over type thing is what I think he’s referring too
oak echo
ah
sullen patio
What buff from the primal ritual shell trinket would you choose?
edgy grail
Bdk was shit in bfa
Only if you forget season 1 no?
strong forum
Bdk wasn't all that hot in s1 either
mellow quartz
S1 people just played it cause it was good in legion
then got nerfed in december and was sad after
strong forum
It was just a large bandwagon
strong forum
Doesn't mean it was good
edgy grail
Ahh the people playing other classes just suck? 😂
strong forum
You were capped on what to bring, bdk brought combat res
And healer was disc cuz it was so insanely strong
Mw was also huge but disc was mad
So you were only left with bdk, and ofc pwar was slept on at the time
spring holly
guys is there a way to switch my ui so that when I press avatar every single one of my abilities also now casts IP? It's getting to the point where I need to do what's optimal for my wrist not my play 🤣
strong forum
Try to optimise general keybinds and do physical exercise for your hand/wrist/shoulder health
And general positioning of your hand
Current pwar is alot slower than it was in SL so you need to get comfortable or switch away from prot for what's to come later down the line
echo snow
Guys is there a bis craft for first spark?
spring holly
hah thanks! Never felt more like a boomer than my wrist hurting after a world tour.
strong forum
For example my ignore pain bind is F
Shield slam is 4
Thunderclap is 1 and revenge is 3
spring holly
I should really re-think that ctrl+alt+shift+9 binding for my ignore pain...
strong forum
Those are your 4 most spammed buttons
modern brook
whats 2?
fierce field
(Revenge-SS-TC) (1 - 2 - 3) IP/SB is bound on my right thumb buttons here
modern brook
(Revenge-SS-TC) (1 - 2 - 3) IP/SB is bound on my right thumb buttons here
objectively correct tbh exactly the same
edgy grail
hah thanks! Never felt more like a boomer than my wrist hurting after a world to...
No meme, literally do hand stretches before playing. It helps strengthen your fingers and helps with strain. Only a couple of minutes https://youtu.be/uPO-zST-7EE
edgy grail
I also have a grip thingy to do exercises. I used to get terrible pain in my hands, wrists, and fingers from jiu jitsu and stretching has helped a lot.
spring holly
yeah I've been doing a full body stretch everyday as I get older that also includes a wrist stretch but I will probably start doing right before and during playing too
modern brook
Empty <a:keksquad:766690598635044895>
bro
ionic fern
Well..i had Devastator bound to ctrl+2 for a loooooong time.
strong forum
2 was for devastate, and I just never replaced it since bfa
modern brook
i made execcute devestate as soon as we started devestatoring
grave crane
I was a fps player before wow so all my shit is around wasd and I use the mmo mouse for number keys 4 devastate 5 ip SS R and SB E
strong forum
My execute is shift 3
fluid beacon
Man I hope Prot doesn't fall off the cliff in high keys
cuz right now i feel like im unkillable
grave crane
Execute is q for quit hitting me
fluid beacon
its kinda absurd how little damage I take
and you are constantly drowning in rage in Keys. i wonder how rage gen will be in raids
echo snow
Man I hope Prot doesn't fall off the cliff in high keys
I think temple will be hard on high keys for prot
fluid beacon
temple is the one with all the lightning mobs?
naive sinew
will fueled by violence be viable after the brutal vitality nerf tomorrow?
echo snow
temple is the one with all the lightning mobs?
yea at the end
fluid beacon
yea when magic damage is super rampant it hurts
and the only time I ever died was when i overpulled a heroic speed run and a bunch of fire dots were on me. stacked to 25-30 and i couldnt solo at that point anymore. my healer was long dead lol
ebon wren
you'll start taking damage in higher keys as shield block is not % based
does not scale
strong forum
I understand that block is a very new mechanic and not many people know about it yet, as its been % based for only a decade or 2 but ykno
fluid beacon
also, ignore pain seems fucking huge now. im only 362 or so and my IP is around 92k. with trinket procs etc is around 100k
grave crane
Pretty sure it straight says it reduces by x% based on level of the mob
sweet summit
@modern brook do the math for block again ty
modern brook
its like 40%
modern brook
i remember cause i said 60
ebon wren
The block value of your shield.
echo snow
What Item should we crafting with spark ?
modern brook
like a 292 shield or something
sweet summit
the block value on your shield is used in a formula
it is not "block this amount of damage"
modern brook
gives you block cap DR in a mythic raid w/ a crit block (or maybe in m+ IDR)
torn gulch
Did you guys already had a look over the embellished effects to see which one are worth?
torn gulch
not for now
echo snow
Did you guys already had a look over the embellished effects to see which one ar...
If the spike makes good dmg mby
torn gulch
in general
modern brook
Iirc @strong forum said the spike thing just wasnt proccing enough to justify it
but i might be misremembeing his words so
high drum
and lets you keep panda racial active forever
torn gulch
https://www.wowhead.com/item=193001/elemental-lariat#created-by-spell
i was looking at this neck that will be available when season start
this neck with the stats you want, triple socket and this embelished effect looks very tasty to me at 418
strong forum
It procced shit tons on dummy but it seems quite too rng
hazy sluice
Do I get a spark on each twink ? Or is this account wide progress
torn gulch
you have to do the spark on each
brisk ferry
I understand that block is a very new mechanic and not many people know about it...
ok but I spit out my coffee, relax bro
strong forum
German spotted 👓
hazy sluice
So it makes sense to twink my desired chars asap?
echo snow
German spotted 👓
Germans where ? Kann kein sehen
hazy sluice
Ich auch nicht
strong forum
So it makes sense to twink my desired chars asap?
If you want to play alts, sure
hazy sluice
Yeah I wanna but my time is limited. Starting m0 runs on my main today
torn gulch
that neck procs at 2 times a minute for about 500 main stats at 418
what do you think nomeratur
torn gulch
that's what i was thinking
slim zinc
It's stonks for pretty much all specs
torn gulch
so i know where one spark goes
basically
i'll have to feed one of my guild jcw with the recipe when it drops
echo snow
so one spark in neck and the other shield?
strong forum
I wanna say helmet
But we don't know if it's been nerfed or buffed
Until somebody bites the bullet
sweet summit
just make one on ptr or
torn gulch
so we're gonna ignore helmet as a tier spot for embellished?
echo snow
I wanna say helmet
Why exactly helmet ?
torn gulch
because of the embelished effect i suppose
stark orchid
which helmet?
sick sentinel
i have the spark and a few of those choas things
torn gulch
keep the spark for now
and keep the second one as well
you will prob want to wait until raid clear and even the first vault
to decide what to craft
hasty field
Don’t keep your sparks, I need to lvl my profession
sick sentinel
like im only ilvl 339, but im in zero rush at all to get full 400+ gear
torn gulch
lol
sick sentinel
couldnt give a shit less, just want to play the game 🙂
some of friends talking about already got 2 toons to 70, like jeez
strong forum
Why exactly helmet ?
Does good dmg
torn gulch
some of friends talking about already got 2 toons to 70, like jeez
I have people in my guild that ran 3/4 character through m0 already week one
zoom/zoom
sick sentinel
yeah, i just wanna play the game at my own pace and experience what it has to offer
sick sentinel
by end of expansion, i hope to have.... maybe 3 characters total i play often, 5 lvl 70s by like 10.1.5
raiding depends on RWF for me, see if its a bunch of BS or not
i totally skipped every single normal mode raid in shadowlands not even slime cat made me want to raid SL
phase 2 sylvannas there is mobs that sit just out side of path and if you charge them you run off like fuckin wil e coyote in a damn looney tunes cartoon, never been so damn humiliated in my life
thin silo
Never happened to me in Sanctum
If you don't mash W you won't run off the edge
sick sentinel
thats literal what playing in my head when i seen this shit happening
1 for 1 wile coyote steps off the side of the cliff and falls off to million mile plunge to death
echo bramble
Does good dmg
What helmet are we talking about?
ebon wren
I understand that block is a very new mechanic and not many people know about it...
yo all I meant was our block value doesn't increase, the % we block remains static and doesn't increase with key level. (an obvious statement)
edgy grail
The % doesn’t increase but the actual amount does
So ofc it scales with key level since you’re taking more damage you’re also blocking more damage that’s how % effects work
ebon wren
... dude im not dumb I just stated something badly. let it go
ebon geyser
where do you ppl go for guild because im getting frustrated , reddit, forums seem dead
grave crane
i just lucked out and found a good guild in guild finder not much else you can do unless your looking for like something specific mythic prog or whatnot
jagged pier
wowprogress, find guilds and apply
same with raiderio
u can also just set yourself as looking for guilds on them as well
but u should have done that months ago
ebon geyser
i have been jakey
no luck
or nothing that i can say ohh nice
im wondering in ravencrest in EU is where i need to be
thin silo
What helmet are we talking about?
edgy grail
i have been jakey
Accept my friend request so I can send you a recruitment discord
Lots of guilds in there
polar raptor
seems like a lot of the starter stuff seems to be SL leftovers, some Kyrian and Venthyr weapons and shields for sure.
sick sentinel
Is there any preview of what we could consider bis gear from crafting?
maybe in like 5 to 10 years, blizzard comes back to shadowlands and makes it not as suck that time
somber shell
hmmm so how long does it take to famr up this overtuned cobalt assembly ring? 🙂
thin silo
1d12 hours
modern brook
1hr server time >.>
with world lag thats like ~5 hours
I did mine in 2.5 hours but i definitely stopped trying to grind rep at a point and was just seeing how stupidly high i could get my mastery
oak echo
if it wasn't so laggy the powers are definitely fun
slim dove
its fun until a boomkin phases in with enough powers to turn starfall into a 40yd pulsing nuclear bomb
oak echo
lmao
somber shell
lol
modern brook
I lucked out real hard and did mine prior to every normal-progger finding out it existed and did it at a time when it was just my group there
cobalt seal
yep
I did it like day 2
when there was already some people doing it
but not that many to make it unplayable
modern brook
now u cant even be in azure span >.>
dusky canopy
Ok I’m a little slow, how the hell are people getting 399 weapons already??
cobalt seal
Ok I’m a little slow, how the hell are people getting 399 weapons already??
grind
dusky canopy
The only grind I haven’t done is the obsidian keys grind
modern brook
jump from shard to shard
is there a way to do this that doesnt require joining random groups?
cobalt seal
nope
dusky canopy
People are getting 399 crafted pieces
modern brook
:agony:
dusky canopy
I think I get it so people are just grinding out enough primal chaos to get primal infusion and also getting a markIV from m0 and that let’s them craft the 399
Shit that’s a ton of rares to grind
uneven mason
Shit that’s a ton of rares to grind
Yup
lyric elm
The only grind I haven’t done is the obsidian keys grind
You can do 1 key a week for 10x rep
If you just care about cosmetics
dusky canopy
You can do 1 key a week for 10x rep
Word I noticed my first key gave 2500 rep with wrathion
lyric elm
I've done a few rares for materials but that's about it
dusky canopy
I don’t think I’m personally going to ball out for gear that I can replace in a few weeks
I’ll probably do it slowly over time for the cosmetics
lyric elm
Yes
dusky canopy
Definitely going to ball out for the 399 weapon
Need like 200 primal chaos total for it
lyric elm
Jesus
oak echo
You can do 1 key a week for 10x rep
o i thought the larger gain was a weekly thing
nvm i can't read
i thought you said day at first
dusky canopy
The only thing I can’t figure out is what’s the secret on the primal focus
Looks like it’s from raid or m+ no?
lyric elm
Yes i think so
short vale
The only thing I can’t figure out is what’s the secret on the primal focus
I think you get 1 with maxed renown with 1 of the factions
oak echo
i can't tell if i like how convoluted crafting is yet. like it's cool that it's massive but also i need to tell myself to not worry about getting the most out of it this early when it's meant to be a huge system
it's making me get a small sense of fomo lol
dusky canopy
Ok but you need 10 for a primal infusion soo?????
lyric elm
Looks like it’s from raid or m+ no?
According to some wowhead interview it was on high keys and high raids i think
Heroic raid or higher
10+ keys
short vale
11-15
lyric elm
Ok
short vale
16+ has the mythic craft item
prisma crane
it's making me get a small sense of fomo lol
imo the only real fomo for crafting is getting something extremely early or making heavy profits from it, the rest doesnt have much to miss out on anyways
compact jackal
You make it sound like people give good comms for crafting.
mighty valley
the money is less in crafting the finished products and more in selling the big parts you can put on the AH
compact jackal
Armor spikes looks to be the best profit now but sells slower while the alloy is only 5-10% return, but sells instantly. Makes funding to test things easier.
For example, recrafting seems to give a skill bonus. So you could craft with 1* mats to save money, and then burn 2-3* on recrafts for a higher skill. Could be useful when it comes to crafting a shield/weapon.
dawn marsh
Are there certain recommended content creators to look up to gather reliable tank information?
mighty valley
i like to think of all of us in this discord as content creators 🙂
slim dove
ignore me
compact jackal
oh I know it's shit, I found the PPM earlier
compact jackal
Helm: 3.5 PPM
Belt: 3 PPM
Shield of the Hearth: 2.2 PPM
Armor Spikes: 1.1+Haste PPM
Fang Adornments: 6+Haste PPM
Fang's damage is just under half the helm
Neck is 2 PPM
slim dove
helm is prob getting nerfed tbh
compact jackal
Higher PPM AND damage than the belt, very likely.
slim dove
its also a bit silly in pvp
compact jackal
I'm trying to think of what combo of neck/helm/bracers to do.
compact jackal
helm is prob getting nerfed tbh
Do you have one? What % of your damage was it in PVE?
slim dove
Do you have one? What % of your damage was it in PVE?
nah i dont, next craft. regretting not making it first.
sick sentinel
is there an easy way to do the 25 dragon skulls quest
compact jackal
I made the primal molten shield first. I don't regret it, but it just means I have to think of helm vs bracers next
sick sentinel
current strategy is float around dragonscale basecamp and look for elite
compact jackal
There's an elite in Plains for some quest that spawns missing HP. It's pretty decent.
compact jackal
nah i dont, next craft. regretting not making it first.
Don't forget to cheap out on the initial craft and use the recraft to get the higher *
slim dove
Don't forget to cheap out on the initial craft and use the recraft to get the hi...
idk how that works
compact jackal
Recrafting appears to give a bonus to skill.
Right now I can 5* the chest with a 3* missive if it uses 3* alloys, but on the recraft I can 5* it with 2* mats
slim dove
ahh
sand smelt
whatcha guys think of the allied wristguards of companionship?
compact jackal
If you can maintain the conditional it's more vers than the shield.
and it's a non tier slot which is nice.
sand smelt
trying to shore up my gear, still lacking shoulders, cape, chest, legs, and wrists
everything else is pretty dec
sick sentinel
apparently this one is a fast method
1 minute respawn timer then kill it, won't take long at ll
sick sentinel
i got 2 ppl here helpin
static aspen
anyone has clickable battle shout weakaura that you can click on the screen and it casts it ?
sick sentinel
long time ago in BFA had one that showed if not everyone had battleshout
lost that one, i miss that one found it handy
lusty grotto
good fucking lord, why havent people reported the god awful lag in Azure Span yet
its ridiculous
severe steeple
farm zone with torghast powers next to pvp zone with torghast powers which also has pvp quest on top of it today
lusty grotto
the input lag makes it seem that you ping 300, and all due to all the dumb events, cobalt rep farm, and pvp WQs
severe steeple
also soup and maybe raids camping or rares on brackehide
lot of things going in the same zone
lusty grotto
yup
severe steeple
its seeing more action than AH
wary heath
are there any min/max weekly checklist items im forgetting before reset? I did M0s, grand hunt, obsidian keep, soup, trial of elements, trial of flood, and valdrakken accord weekly
lusty grotto
there i made an angry tweet to warcraft devs about it
which they obviously will ignore
strong forum
are there any min/max weekly checklist items im forgetting before reset? I did M...
Daily super rares
Can spam hunts for rep
Can spam soup for rep
Can spam dirt digging for rep
thin silo
I remember back in Korthia someone's made a WA checklist for all the fiddly little tasks that it wasn't at all clear what the reset for them was
I hope we see something similar for DF just for the diversity of activities present
knotty idol
I need a checklist just for an excuse to not sit in Wrathions basement all day
strong forum
All this checklist stuff is gone with season starting
Its just to squeeze out a bit extra ilvl
Cuz there's nothing else to do
pallid quiver
How do people farm the super rares, anyhow? Do they just sit on one until it respawns?
i dunno, i never really bothered rare farming before
wary heath
I think people just shard hop in group finder
lusty grotto
LOL
i mean i did this https://twitter.com/Nimchip/status/1599844205865549825
so im helping 🙂
lusty tiger
so im helping 🙂
nice tattoo bro
strong forum
Bird
lusty grotto
naive sinew
apparently this one is a fast method
where is this boss at?
torn gulch
is the frozen area near ruby life pools
if i am not mistaken
it's the quests that triggers alex vs raz cinematic
uneven mason
All this checklist stuff is gone with season starting
Thankfully, it's going to be nice to just be able to do content that's fun and not be "required" to grind out mindless things
sick sentinel
silent anchor
anyone know the proc rate of this?
naive sinew
cool
torn gulch
1ppm if i am not mistaken
sick sentinel
there is like some bones over top a blue ice area, cant miss it
silent anchor
looks like a huge trinket like
torn gulch
yea 1 ppm
torn gulch
yea i have it as well
silent anchor
huge for tanks
sterile glacier
What are your thoughts on the nerf to Brutal Vitality and buff to Fueled by Violence? Do you think it will be better for M+ then BV?
sick sentinel
that seems good for a melee group m+
torn gulch
you'll have a lot of melee in m+ this season
sharp snow
thinking about having a mythic plus tier on my warrior only, how viable is raid items vs m+ items right now ? not talking about ilvl more on overall 'good v not good'
thorny rock
So i've picked up the warrior and been leveling as prot. Somehow - sometimes i get ignore pain with pressing it, been looking over talents etc, yet there is no talents that said anything about it. It seems to happen when i crit with shield slam.
Anyone can confirm this?
ionic fern
thinking about having a mythic plus tier on my warrior only, how viable is raid ...
Ilvl is all that matters. 🙂
More or less.
sharp snow
Ilvl is all that matters. 🙂
yeah figured as much
torn gulch
thinking about having a mythic plus tier on my warrior only, how viable is raid ...
if you can stomach waiting 10 weeks for 4 piece
you're good
sharp snow
just for high end stuff on my paladin theres a lot of item nuances so i p much have to raid on it every tier to ce
sick sentinel
i found ice dragon difficult to solo as fury
ionic fern
So i've picked up the warrior and been leveling as prot. Somehow - sometimes i g...
So you get IP when you crit with SS? 👀
sick sentinel
so i went back prot
lusty grotto
So i've picked up the warrior and been leveling as prot. Somehow - sometimes i g...
are you leveling in SL? do you have conduits on?
thorny rock
So you get IP when you crit with SS? 👀
Thats what it seems like
drifting lotus
so, has the latest nerf been discussed?
thorny rock
are you leveling in SL? do you have conduits on?
Leveing in DF 66 atm
torn gulch
nerf?
ionic fern
so, has the latest nerf been discussed?
The Brutal Vitality one? Doesn't matter.
lusty grotto
yeah that shouldn't happen
torn gulch
bv is bugged isn't it?
thin silo
So i've picked up the warrior and been leveling as prot. Somehow - sometimes i g...
Sounds like Violent Outburst
thorny rock
Sounds like Violent Outburst
AH YES TY!
sick sentinel
what i should really be doing is going to azure span
thorny rock
Sounds like Violent Outburst
Been anoying the shit out of me for like 30 min now
lusty grotto
i was like hold up, that happened with something in SL
not remembering tier
and completely forgetting about VO
which is why i asked about conduits and SL
drifting lotus
why is the BV nerf not a big deal?
sterile glacier
What are your thoughts on the nerf to Brutal Vitality and buff to Fueled by Viol...
I'm just curious if there is a target limit that that makes FV is better the BV now or still to far lop sidded
fallow osprey
because were not BDKs or VDHs
No, this isn’t the reason
sick sentinel
feel like this dragon skull quest is more important if i can only loot 1 skull per 2 minutes at fastest
urban portal
I'm just curious if there is a target limit that that makes FV is better the BV ...
technically yes there is
sterile glacier
Please go into more detail
urban portal
as for how many its hard to say
mellow quartz
one is only deep wounds
hasty glade
I'm surprised there isn't a pin regarding the BV nerf.
urban portal
for example, lets say theres 1000 targets
jagged pier
it doesnt change anything
lusty grotto
theres nothing to pin
jagged pier
theres no need for a pin
urban portal
every abilitiy in wow hard caps at 20
mellow quartz
the real question is more the fact you have to be below 100% hp to heal from fbv and you have to actually get hit hard enough for IP to go away to get value from BV
lusty grotto
people are making a big deal out of nothing
uneven mason
Wait what got nerfed?
lusty grotto
nothing, nothing got nerfed
sterile glacier
But my question is what amount of targets does it heal vs how much dmg is being stopped
uneven mason
Exactly
urban portal
again
lusty grotto
🤝
urban portal
thats hard to say
mellow quartz
But my question is what amount of targets does it heal vs how much dmg is being ...
that is not the correct question though, BV does nothing for you at the moment if your IP never breaks
doesnt matter target count
sterile glacier
Ok, just wanted to see if anyone had any information yet or results I appreciate it!!!
jagged pier
TLDR: the nerf means nothing because we spam IP so much anyway already
atm u take FBV because IP never breaks
if they fix the bug u will take BV even with the nerf
because it will be busted
👍
urban portal
whats the bug
thin silo
If you're taking so.little damage that IP never breaks (or FbV is mostly overheal), it doesn't matter which one you take
hasty glade
@jagged pier Ty
uneven mason
What else would we do with the flood of rage multi target tanking gives us
jagged pier
u have to break IP everytime u want BV to apply
mellow quartz
if they fix the bug u will take BV even with the nerf
your IP still has to break for BV to be of any value, bug or no bug
jagged pier
if your ip its max it will stop adding value
uneven mason
Which might become a thing starting around+10?
mellow quartz
I did 20 forts on beta at 392 ilvl with BV being bugged and had 99% IP uptime 🤷♂️
uneven mason
So no thing
mellow quartz
there were times you felt you were struggling a bit to keep IP up and 'big' don't get me wrong
yes but tier is 5%
mellow quartz
there is 100% a point where BV help if they fix it so that you are not fighting constantly to keep it up in big damage situations
it's just a very high key level point
and is probably more of an issue on ST
given the less rage gen and as such less IP dump
jagged pier
which u should be doing anyway
lusty grotto
right, just in case people arent
lusty tiger
we got movespeed to boots back?
junior trench
Are personal crafting orders cross server?
compact jackal
we got movespeed to boots back?
move, mount, and stam iirc
jovial fractal
Is there a macro that changes between defensive stance and battle stance? So I don't have to keybinds two skills? I check the resources and didn't see anything
sweet summit
pinned
jovial fractal
I'm dumb af, thank you!
compact jackal
If they can't 5* without inspiration you can likely save money and craft with 1-2* mats and then reforge it since that should give a bonus
junior trench
If they can't 5* without inspiration you can likely save money and craft with 1-...
TY
compact jackal
Same mats (2* ingots), reforge vs new
hazy sluice
yo which buff do we take in the academy?
tawdry dirge
raw parcel
With the nerf and bug on BV, is FBV a bit more viable now?
uneven mason
With the nerf and bug on BV, is FBV a bit more viable now?
It's not even worth the brainpower you've spent on it asking the question, neither is going to make or break your run
raw parcel
B-but I want warrior wisdom bestowed upon me...
lusty tiger
Close eyes and let the call of battle lead you to victory
uneven mason
Press buttons, yell, smash
raw parcel
So post nerf, it really just doesn't matter? I can pick the one I prefer without being called a failure of a warrior with girly man muscles?
uneven mason
If you're not a dwarf we'll call you that anyway
uneven mason
But it's a low impact talent, to place it in perspective though, fbv does nothing at max HP, and we're almost always max HP, if we're taking enough damage to not be max HP it won't heal for enough to make a difference
Bv might be bugged but at least it still does something
raw parcel
Hm, true...
compact jackal
I would play the race I want thanks to xfaction, but the racial is so painful that even I can't bring myself to play it.
brittle garnet
and is this likely to hit 392 if crafted by a high level crafter
if they fully specced shield, yes. I couldn't find a shield crafter on my server, leveled blacksmithing on an alt and crafted it myself, less effort than dealing with trade chat
compact jackal
I think for weapons you get +30, +30, +55, armor is +30, +30, +50? Hammer Control is +34 to all.
brittle garnet
hammer control is +40, i don't even have it maxed, messed up my build a bit, the most important thing is to craft master hammers to get 100/100 skill
sick sentinel
these are talents i've chosen so far have started to read on icyviens
slender quest
What blacksmith talents you Pick to get it over stage 2 :
solar blade
these are talents i've chosen so far have started to read on icyviens
dont take barbaric training it fucks up hole rotation, you have no pain and gain, no shockwave, no stat talents in prot tree, rest looks fine but you could take punish; there are good talents in pinned comments 🙂
modern brook
For what
lusty tiger
So I can learn all about crafting in one channel
And because it has little to do w prot war I guess
modern brook
Well profs as they relate to a spec are better discussed in apec channels
And profs outside of that aren't really a discussion as much as a Google search
solar blade
these are talents i've chosen so far have started to read on icyviens
you also dont take the extra rage tho you could when taking barbaric training but at the end of the day its not worth spending points into more rage and barb traning
compact jackal
hammer control is +40, i don't even have it maxed, messed up my build a bit, the...
oh damn so it is
lusty tiger
compact jackal
I feel like the BS meta is max out hammer control, then max out armor/weapon, then max out the grouping, you should be able to 5* without getting the exact slot.
and then get poignant plans for the absurd inspiration procs
but, the practical is 10/10/30 to a specific one, and then do the rest. Master's Hammer is the easiest way to get 100 skill.
solar blade
does hammer control offer that much? i thought it roughly reduces costs to create an item and thats it
compact jackal
Yeah, gives +1 per, 3/4/3 at I think 5/15/25?
solar blade
thats nice
brittle garnet
If you care about crafting 1 item really good, it's the best investment after you maxed said item
compact jackal
armorsmithing/weaponsmithing and the category stuff only gives inspiration IIRC
solar blade
thats a good point because of recrafting
compact jackal
the specific slot gives 20-25 bonus
brittle garnet
https://www.wowhead.com/beta/profession-tree-calc/blacksmithing/BAkRMD1lFeCeBKm1CB4CMsZ i think this is the best build for shields week 1-2
after that just put points in whatever gives skill
compact jackal
https://www.wowhead.com/beta/profession-tree-calc/blacksmithing/BAkRMD1lFeCeBKm1...
W1 you can outright max all 4
If I didn't put any points in fine armor I'd have hammer at 30, fine at 1
solar blade
damn im a bit sad i didnt specc into hammer control :/
compact jackal
With hammer control at max I might be able to 5* recraft helms, and I have 0 points in sculpted armor
solar blade
it aint possible to respend points atm right?
compact jackal
Have you gotten Artisan's Consortium to 4/5?
solar blade
not yet no 😦
brittle garnet
nah
compact jackal
Now if you wanted to go for the money route, Specialty 30/30, Smelting 20/20, and hammer 30/30.
brittle garnet
my main went smelting, was 1st to market in quality 3 obsidian alloys. made 4kk in 3 days
lusty tiger
4 mil?
brittle garnet
ye
lusty tiger
Pog
sick sentinel
we don't use blood surge any more?
compact jackal
This recrafting meta is going to be funny
sick sentinel
oh hmm im looking raiding
brittle garnet
idk if it's my server or what, but every crafter in trade chat is shit, they sit on 50-60 skill and spam offers to craft quality 2-3 armor for free
gaunt plover
my blacksmith talents is so fked right now lol
brittle garnet
i can't find anyone to upgrade 376 quality 3 sword to 379
compact jackal
I just say LFW and list all my armor, say I can +1* what I link, and then everyone crafts weapons instead.
gaunt plover
how is everyone crafting max rank weapon this soon? where did they get all those skill points
uneven mason
how is everyone crafting max rank weapon this soon? where did they get all those...
Not sleeping
compact jackal
artisan's consortium go brrrrr
gaunt plover
I can't even find enough knowledge to progress
do people just farm dragon shard like crazy
compact jackal
Here's mine atm https://www.wowhead.com/beta/profession-tree-calc/blacksmithing/BDkRDE1k_QGeCeBem1CB4CMsO
Raid bracers are crit/vers/haste. It's like music.
gaunt plover
also whats the crafting order screen like for you guys? on my server im only seeing those blue tools that needs to be renown 14 or 22 to learn
compact jackal
That's what it's like 99% of the time
gaunt plover
so basically the crafting order system is useless
compact jackal
These being a massive PITA doesn't help.
echo snow
That's what it's like 99% of the time
Where did you got all the Points from ?
solemn magnet
How bad did I fuck up making the Primal Molten Defender instead of waiting for someone to find the Shield of the Hearth recipe?
compact jackal
4/5 Artisan's consortium gives like +50
compact jackal
How bad did I fuck up making the Primal Molten Defender instead of waiting for s...
shield of the hearth is kind of ew
solemn magnet
Orly?
fast knot
Effect doesn't go up with item level right
solemn magnet
Is it not the same as Defender but with the proc?
echo snow
shield of the hearth is kind of ew
is there a special spot where you can farm it ?
sick sentinel
what does "reduced effect" mean for immovable object?
compact jackal
Can't change the stats so you're stuck with crit/mastery, the vers is 60% uptime which means if you get the bracers with high uptime they give more vers overall
higher vers with higher ilvl
solemn magnet
Oh wow. Okay. I just assumed you could recraft the stats. That's good to know!
echo snow
Oh wow. Okay. I just assumed you could recraft the stats. That's good to know!
You can afteward i think
compact jackal
Not on the fixed-stat items
gaunt plover
what does "reduced effect" mean for immovable object?
I think shorter duration
gaunt plover
4/5 Artisan's consortium gives like +50
how do you farm rep for artisans consortium?
compact jackal
Level every prof to 50 and do it's 2-3 quests
uneven mason
what does "reduced effect" mean for immovable object?
Shorter duration
sick sentinel
I think shorter duration
was considering to fart around with it, but i probably wont
compact jackal
How bad did I fuck up making the Primal Molten Defender instead of waiting for s...
You can also get gross things like this on the PMD
echo snow
@compact jackal so shield good spot for first spark ?
gaunt plover
unstopable force is so much better
solemn magnet
I lucked into haste/vers on my craft
compact jackal
<@370419628456804362> so shield good spot for first spark ?
Shield/Helm/Bracers/Wrists I'd imagine
for the damage embellishments, the helm wins over the belt and weapon I believe
sick sentinel
i mean, its not like its random, and then you hit either avatar or SW and you get the other, so you get 20% dmg and 50% DR X out of Y seconds
might be over powered
uneven mason
It's more about how uf produces a feedback loop with am
gaunt plover
more thunderclap = more rage, more rage = more avatar, more avatar = more thundderclap
uneven mason
You'll probably end up with more avatar and sw uptime from uf
gaunt plover
andddd most of the time when you use avatar you don't really need shield wall
uneven mason
Because more tc is more ss and more ss is more sw
sick sentinel
ahh maybe the meta will change
uneven mason
andddd most of the time when you use avatar you don't really need shield wall
Literally every pull
sick sentinel
im not too sure, but it seems like any spec that has a bleed is over powered right now
i know that DH bleed is op in pvp
uneven mason
ahh maybe the meta will change
It hasn't since BFA
gaunt plover
Literally every pull
are you saying you need shield wall every pull? or you can use avatar every pull
uneven mason
Avatar, sw has a crazy short cd too so both I guess
gaunt plover
yea exactly, thats what im saying
you're already very tanky during avatar, so the added shield wall loses value
uneven mason
you're already very tanky during avatar, so the added shield wall loses value
That's when you pull more
Is what I'd normally say
But I've discovered that my DPS always die if I pull big enough
gaunt plover
theres so many kicks this season lol
uneven mason
Like the random targeted spells
It's not all at the tank, they seem to prioritize people who haven't specced into their kick
edgy grail
Sorry if I missed it somewhere looked in the FAQ, is there any information about crafted gear?
prisma crane
get the ones with the highest numbers
knotty idol
Really wish they'd tone down the kicks and one shots on most packs, feels like the new Dungeons even more than shadowlands had and the "reworked" old dungeons have almost none
rotund thicket
is there a way to dodge the disorient from the dude on the bridge in brackenhide?
prisma crane
i dont know many specifics, but iirc some of the issue is that they've only really fine tuned 4 of the new 8 dungeons because they're the only ones that really matter atm
prisma crane
is there a way to dodge the disorient from the dude on the bridge in brackenhide...
avoid frontal, but timing is quick
rotund thicket
the frontal is following someone
prisma crane
i havent played with it enough but i bet if you stand practically directly in him you can run through to the safe side
rotund thicket
there is no way to dodge it by sidestepping
rotund thicket
wowhead said its 40 yards range 😂
prisma crane
i did test a backstep, but being about 15-20 yds wasnt enough
that would explain it
iirc it's not one of the first season M+ so it's w/e
will be changed if needed
we hope lol
rotund thicket
its just weird, someone said if you turn around you wont get disoriented but idk if thats true
prisma crane
worth a shot
rotund thicket
For the Primal Ritual Shell Trinket, what buff should we aim for? Fire for Flat dmg procc oder Mastery?
loud crow
Is the stat priority still ilvl > haste > crit = vers > mastery ?
rotund thicket
Is the stat priority still ilvl > haste > crit = vers > mastery ?
thats from wowhead 🙂
loud crow
Ah, Nomeratur pinned pinned the priority list in the channel, so I was going off of that. But it was in October I think, so was making sure.
knotty idol
Crit for gigachads, vers for little babies
grave crane
verse is for people who are afraid of damage crit is for people who know damage is a healer problem
prisma crane
honestly just finding gear with haste and without mastery is my only concern
knotty idol
True true
The thing I miss most about Shadowlands is having 80% haste in each dungeon
prisma crane
fair, but this is also by far the most haste we've had to start an expac, so i dont mind
at least that's how it feels to me
mellow quartz
My 8% wants a word
lean gale
I got a shield recipe. The shield has a versa proc when you get Damage. Any good?
mighty valley
it's definitely been a little bit of a shock to go from 40% baseline to 10% but the rotation is so filled out already that it doesn't feel like we're really missing out from having low haste
mighty valley
I got a shield recipe. The shield has a versa proc when you get Damage. Any good...
both of the crafted shields are about equal afaik
prisma crane
My 8% wants a word
i've got about 25%
oak echo
it's definitely been a little bit of a shock to go from 40% baseline to 10% but ...
my only real complaint from the low haste is that openers feel clunky when you have everything up because you just can't press all the buttons fast enough. other than that it feels fine though
arctic fulcrum
As a prot tank main this tier, which DPS spec should I go with Arms vs Fury?
prisma crane
whichever you prefer to play
sick sentinel
best profession for prot ?
uneven mason
But it is
sick sentinel
35% haste and 25% vers okay ?
mighty valley
how on earth are you at 35% haste
prisma crane
ITF helps
uneven mason
how on earth are you at 35% haste
Eats his wheaties
prisma crane
also enchants add up and with that much vers i'd bet pvp gear is happening
slim dove
ye full pvp gear picking all haste pieces gets me to 29%
prisma crane
tbh the 25% vers is more surprising than the haste
slim dove
with 28ish vers
prisma crane
sounds about right then
mighty valley
i just did all of the m0s in quest blues/greens so it's hard to really care about stats this week
so yes. you're fine
sick sentinel
how on earth are you at 35% haste
im not im at 20 haste and 15 vers rn
im just saying for when M plus comes out n its a huge stat squish
prisma crane
there's no squish
prisma crane
just play it, you'll be fine
generally speaking with how tanks are tuned right now it's more important for you to get used to playing well than min maxing gear
sick sentinel
yee i was playing with 38% haste in Slands
mighty valley
there's always a huge dip from last patch of an expansion to the first patch of the next
shadow isle
Hey guys I’m back to prot for the first time since cata .. are there any MUST have addons ? Like maybe for tracking what buffs you currently have on easily or does everyone play by feel .. also I mainly play fury in PvP so if I get addons can I swap back to a non ranking setup easily
sick sentinel
I am good at playing the tank, not saying im the best but def am decently skilled with tanking
sick sentinel
Hey guys I’m back to prot for the first time since cata .. are there any MUST ha...
OMNI CD
for big pulls if u need to look at ur DPS's cooldowns
sick sentinel
Hey guys I’m back to prot for the first time since cata .. are there any MUST ha...
Ignore pain and Shield block weak aura tracker would be nice to have
and a kick tracker for M plus if youre into that
shadow isle
I have “weakauras” but have no idea how to use it lol
mighty valley
there's nothing that's literally "must have," you can just figure out things in the default UI that you struggle to keep track of and pick addons to fix those problems
sick sentinel
lmao just tell him good addons simple question bro complexing it
mighty valley
i'm using plater for nameplates, i track my buffs on my personal plater bar, works fine for me
sick sentinel
plater is fire
shadow isle
Well just out of curiosity how do you guys have yours setup ? Can you see your current buffs clearly ? Mine are still standard wow right up next to the minimal so it’s super difficult to see what is exactly going on
mighty valley
idk i've seen people get recommended a bunch of addons at once and come back with nightmare UIs
prisma crane
if i could only use a single addon it would be any one of the many that track threat directly from name plates (assuming M+) after that WAs does pretty much everything else
sick sentinel
that aint ya problem lol they asked and you said their problem now
prisma crane
i prefer to be as light on addons as possible
shadow isle
Yeah I got plater the other day and I have weakauras
mighty valley
plater works fine for threat too, just colors them based on aggro status
prisma crane
i'm too big of a baby to make the swap to plater from tidy plates, tank plates but plater is probably the best
shadow isle
So I can import someone else’s well made setup ?
sick sentinel
plater works fine for threat too, just colors them based on aggro status
i need sumn more depth
shadow isle
I think I tried this with plater but it wouldn’t work I might just watch a video on it
sick sentinel
ELVUI for it
prisma crane
default UI gang
sick sentinel
and tweak it for you liking
prisma crane
i hate the look of ELVui
sick sentinel
i can show you a pic of my UI if you like it i can link you it
shadow isle
Yeah please
mighty valley
i've tried to get into elvui a few times and bounce off every time
shadow isle
That would be great
sick sentinel
i got you
prisma crane
i've tried to get into elvui a few times and bounce off every time
same, just doesnt feel right, doesnt feel like wow for me
compact jackal
tbh, my biggest issue with UIs is keeping track of target/my HP
shadow isle
My UI is really messy from bartender so I’m sure this will be fine
prisma crane
i dont mind watching ppl with it, but i cant play with it
compact jackal
even with them in the middle, I find myself paying attention to my WA for my HP and nameplates for mob HP
mighty valley
also really don't understand why you'd need a threat meter in modern wow, if you don't have threat it's always extremely obvious why
tall cedar
guys for m+ /raid push i choose 1 profession alchemy and other engineer but im not quite sure
should i change engineer or idk
any advice?
shadow isle
Oh so is elvui a different version of bartender ?
prisma crane
no
sick sentinel
also really don't understand why you'd need a threat meter in modern wow, if you...
true was just asking lmao
compact jackal
You pulled half the dungeon and got stuck in a disorientation loop?
prisma crane
its a lot more involved
mighty valley
elvui is like a complete overhaul
shadow isle
Both your UIs are so clean lol
Far out I wouldn’t wanna show mine
Are all your abilities on that bar ?
sick sentinel
Are all your abilities on that bar ?
yes sir only 1 i dont use isnt on it cuz its trash i could put it on if i wanted
shadow isle
Do you guys use ctrl or shift too swap between ?
sick sentinel
between what ?
shadow isle
Ok ok cool
plush garden
Between what ?
mighty valley
looks nice and clean, my only criticism is that whirlwind is on that bar lmao
oh and slam
shadow isle
So I find I can only press 1 -5 keys easily
sick sentinel
oh and slam
i dont use slam lmao
shadow isle
I have q w e for moving
sick sentinel
thats the 1 i dont use
craggy pilot
the UIs look clean because they are idle in a city 🤣
shadow isle
Shield slam ??
craggy pilot
no party, no fight, no nothing 🤣
sick sentinel
the UIs look clean because they are idle in a city 🤣
even in M0's it looks good
shadow isle
You don’t use shield slam
sick sentinel
ill find a screen shot rn
mighty valley
no they have regular slam on there
wicked kernel
I would recommend the luxthos weakaura for warriors. It keeps clear tracks of all buffs and procs
plush garden
It literally looks the same in combat with just a target frame and some nameplates xD
sick sentinel
i do have slam lmao
oak echo
i saw rend on there too 👀
craggy pilot
Rend as Prot 👀
wicked kernel
The plates through ElvUI are also supereasy to read with threat
shadow isle
Yaxie
wicked kernel
Yes
tall cedar
guys for m+/raid alc/engineer is decent for prot?
shadow isle
Do you use bartender ?
wicked kernel
I use ElvUI
sick sentinel
in combat with party
craggy pilot
nice
plush garden
Elvui is pretty resource heavy I've found
craggy pilot
looks like you have giga monitor?
plush garden
I use sui, really lightweight
sick sentinel
looks like you have giga monitor?
whats that ?
craggy pilot
whats that ?
27" ?
craggy pilot
4k resolution maybe?
sick sentinel
yesir
wicked kernel
Honestly, ElvUI is easy to configurate as long as you have like a base build that you like to start from
sick sentinel
how u know wtf
craggy pilot
i seen UIs like this 😄
its always cus of high resolution
if my UI looked like this it would be crap
sick sentinel
is wow faster on intel cpu than on amd
craggy pilot
i have only 24" and 1080p
sick sentinel
i have intel i9
i thought about buying intel cpu again, faster clock speed
send it
prisma crane
gotta get that extra 4 fps in wow lmao
craggy pilot
i have intel i9
where do you track SB though?
sick sentinel
cuz, i need to get a 5700x or 7600x to compete with whats in my system
craggy pilot
oh its not up in the screenshot 🤔
sick sentinel
so, RIP
mighty valley
gotta get that extra 4 fps in wow lmao
thinking about spending $2000 on a gpu to run Doom better
shadow isle
Oh that’s right so do you guys use like ctrl 1 +
sick sentinel
thinking about spending $2000 on a gpu to run Doom better
justified
shadow isle
Or just like 1-10 and maybe F1 and onwards
mighty valley
I have a handful of shift binds but mostly I just use every button around my hand
prisma crane
thinking about spending $2000 on a gpu to run Doom better
sounds about right! though to be fair i have a 3090 and my god does the new fortnite update look fucking amazing if you actually turn on all the settings that no one actually plays with lol
craggy pilot
send it
and you have both Rend and Whirlwind and Slam binded 
yet you mouse click your trinket
shadow isle
Ok good to know
mighty valley
also shifted movement over to ESDF a million years ago
sick sentinel
Do you use bartender ?
no all elvui like i said i can send you it
i have a 3070 and i probably logged 12-18 hours on doom 1 this week
sick sentinel
and you have both Rend and Whirlwind and Slam binded <:sadga:869134702970273812>...
yee why not
prisma crane
excellent
craggy pilot
yee why not
do you ever click any of those 3 abilities? i hope not 😦
prisma crane
also shifted movement over to ESDF a million years ago
QWES gang here
mighty valley
because there's literally no reason to ever press any of those buttons haha
sick sentinel
and you have both Rend and Whirlwind and Slam binded <:sadga:869134702970273812>...
i do like 120k on big packs and 28k overall i mean i couldnt care less
sick sentinel
do you ever click any of those 3 abilities? i hope not 😦
trinkets only
craggy pilot
trinkets only
good, but why bind it then if you never press it? 😄 you have WW on 2 even
Rend on CD in the picture as well
sick sentinel
where do you track SB though?
its on the actuall bars
mighty valley
rend on mouse4 for those speed pointless rends
craggy pilot
You keybind W?
some people do, and then make S forward i guess 🤷♂️
sick sentinel
id have to show you a video of it to make sense
shadow isle
Do you guys use S for walking back ? I know in PvP most people don’t have it bound so I got rid of it.. you guys back peddle ?
atomic crow
whats best slot to use spark for
lyric geode
some people do, and then make S forward i guess 🤷♂️
Yikes
atomic crow
shield? or fill best slot
craggy pilot
id have to show you a video of it to make sense
yea i still dont get the Rend & Whirlwind bind though, and S for Slam
sick sentinel
good, but why bind it then if you never press it? 😄 you have WW on 2 even
i use
oak echo
that's the point he's making. there are 0 use cases for every casting slam, ww, or rend
so get em off the bars
save 3 binds
prisma crane
Do you guys use S for walking back ? I know in PvP most people don’t have it bo...
usually if i'm hitting S in combat it's in combination with Q or E
atomic crow
pointless
limpid anchor
that's the point he's making. there are 0 use cases for every casting slam, ww, ...
But ww is 360
shadow isle
Is Rend no good ? I thought it spreads with thunder clap
craggy pilot
@sick sentinel read the talent "Blood and Thunder" one more time please 🙂
mighty valley
i still have a backpedal bound... it's really rare that i use it but I'm used to occasionally having it for tiny movement adjustments and i'm not hurting for binds
compact jackal
Tclap applies it
prisma crane
But ww is 360
nothing should be behind you anyways
shadow isle
Not good enough to throw in the rotation ?
craggy pilot
Is Rend no good ? I thought it spreads with thunder clap
rend is good, but with the talent you dont need to actually press Rend, you just press TC and it applies Rend
sick sentinel
<@456226577798135808> read the talent "Blood and Thunder" one more time please �...
im still new to this stuff so inform me on whats wrong id listen
prisma crane
Not good enough to throw in the rotation ?
TC auto applies it with the talent
shadow isle
Oh dopeeeeee !!!!
I didn’t read that right
I thought you had to apply it first - thunder clap -then it spreads
mighty valley
that's how it was in the past/early beta
atomic crow
no clap applies
oak echo
so just to clarify, you DO still have to have rend talented for it to apply with TC, but you just never cast the ability itself
craggy pilot
im still new to this stuff so inform me on whats wrong id listen
okok, so first off, Slam and Whirlwind is only something you use when you are level <10 because you dont have Revenge. Revenge is simply more dmg pr rage than Slam & Whirlwind always
@sick sentinel and Rend is something we talent, just for it to apply with Thunder Clap, through the "Blood and Thunder" talent
lyric geode
Rend is such underestimated talent. Free dps.
mighty valley
it's not underestimated, it's in literally every recommended build
sick sentinel
ohh okay thanks i see thank you for that
shadow isle
And rend
sick sentinel
ill def put something else there then. Good looks bro
mighty valley
yes, useless buttons
lyric geode
To be honest. I feel cheated. I have to press 20 buttons but arms and fury just 10
craggy pilot
as Prot Warrior rotation you need this shit for dmg/def on your bar:
Shield Slam, Thunderclap, Shield Block, Ignore Pain, Revenge
THATS IT
mighty valley
plus a million CDs
craggy pilot
and then CDs ofc (avatar, demo shout, dragon shout, etc)
slim dove
better than guardian, we got more buttons, bears feel pruned somehow
craggy pilot
@sick sentinel is this your first xpac as Prot war bro? ❤️
if so, welcome to the bright side 🙂
oak echo
you can realistically also get rid of hamstring if you have it on a bind. the use cases for it are so niche it's not worth worrying about unless you have the bind available and would literally put nothing else there
mighty valley
our opener involves, what, 5 CDs?
sick sentinel
<@456226577798135808> is this your first xpac as Prot war bro? ❤️
as prot warr yes but i played in BFA as Vdh
mighty valley
not even counting charge
craggy pilot
as prot warr yes but i played in BFA as Vdh
ah ye ok 🙂 but without Rend, Slam and WW on your bar you should be gucci
then you can (shield) slam even more deeps
limpid anchor
as prot warr yes but i played in BFA as Vdh
So from a 3 button class to a normal class
sick sentinel
then you can (shield) slam even more deeps
bet bet will move my trinkets up there so idont have to click them anymore glooks
compact jackal
Hey, he could play a 2 button class if he goes PVP Fury.
craggy pilot
haha huge 😄
craggy pilot
Hey, he could play a 2 button class if he goes PVP Fury.
lul
sick sentinel
yall think prot gonna get nerfed
ripe cave
yeah all tanks are nuts
slim dove
pal and monk to a lesser extent
zenith vale
All tanks are greats
It’s a philosophy change
Because nobody played tanks
So they made that
hoary belfry
do we have 100% sb uptime in m+? because i just boosted a warrior and low haste says no, unless im missing something talent/gameplay related
craggy pilot
do we have 100% sb uptime in m+? because i just boosted a warrior and low haste...
something like 100% yes
depending on your talent build
oak echo
between enduring defenses, heavy repercussions, and bulwark yeah you can def still stay 90-100% even with lower haste
if you're really bad at your rotation you can also pick up bolster but its overkill and i think you'd only ever grab it if you take into the fray?
high drum
you dont even need heavy repercussions
the last stand and shield charge talents are enough
oak echo
bolster feels like a waste though. what are you not taking to get it?
high drum
bolster feels like a waste though. what are you not taking to get it?
sometimes bleed rage proc sometimes the rage stacking per 30 one, sometimes tough as nails
been playin around
oak echo
ah i guess there is a bolster build in pins too where you don't grab nails so could see that
makes sense
hoary belfry
the last stand and shield charge talents are enough
you mean bolster?
high drum
yes
hoary belfry
cause im currently just copying a build from wowhead and it doesnt use bolster/heavy repercussions for the m+ build
high drum
it probably should use one
hard to get 100% with neither, unless you are waiting for shield charge
oak echo
you will almost always either have HR or ITF+bolster - need either one of those to get high uptime
gaunt plover
bolster's problem is that it's competing against spell block and bloodborn, two great talents
oak echo
it also requires you to use last stand at times where it's not really helpful/needed which is the only reason i don't like it
gaunt plover
and yes shield block uptime isn't a problem right now
one the same row you also have show of force and thunderlord which both are really good
high drum
I think a lot of people dont realise
shield block can go to like 30 sec
so they sit with charges full during shield charge or bolster
and lose uptime
you basically always want sb cooling down
mellow quartz
It can go to 3x the SB duration plus 15s on top of playing bolster.
You will essentially never waste SB uptime by pressing the button.
craggy pilot
anyone can quick explain to me how i get to Darkmoon Faire? and what do i need to bring there :<
craggy pilot
anybody have any thoughts on the shockwave build?
"the shockwave build" ?? what?
mighty valley
it's just worse than roar
gaunt plover
go full in shockwave instead of roar, and use shockwave as dps cd
oak echo
if you're talking about taking sonic boom, i think it's generally considered not worth for what you have to give up to take it
mighty valley
and forces you to use your cc tool as a dps cd
gaunt plover
I saw it on youtube
mighty valley
which ruins cc for the rest of the group
gaunt plover
I think it's trash
mellow quartz
‘Saw it on youtube’
craggy pilot
go full in shockwave instead of roar, and use shockwave as dps cd
sounds like a meme
high drum
seems bad
high drum
makes you use it on pull
gaunt plover
I agree, shockwave is really underwhelming
mellow quartz
Random people saying random things 🤷♂️
craggy pilot
but honestly i dont know how it lines up with Avatar 🤔
slim dove
bad
gaunt plover
i mean
craggy pilot
Avatar with UF gives 50% shockwave damage 😄
gaunt plover
when i tested it, it does the same burst dmg as roar build
both are bursting about 100k with my 365 char
craggy pilot
when i tested it, it does the same burst dmg as roar build
ye burst, but Roar is 1,5min CD, and Shockwave is what? 30sec?
craggy pilot
25sec Even 😄
gaunt plover
roar could be 1 min
mellow quartz
You are deliberately screwing over your groups CC if you spam shockwave on CD. Further you will not have your aoe stop when it is actually needed for specific stops.
craggy pilot
roar could be 1 min
yea, its only me running Shockwave over Uproar i guess 😄
people want big dam
slim dove
just do bigger keys and play roar
gaunt plover
i think the opportunity cost is really too high
slim dove
dont fuck your groups CC to spam shockwave
craggy pilot
just spec out of all the CC and blame the party on not interrupting ❤️
gaunt plover
hahahaha
high drum
blessed
gaunt plover
I wish there are more good prot videos out there
instead of people like this who throws out trash builds
high drum
why who cares about other peolle
people*
let them do what they want as long as your heart is pure you will succeed
gaunt plover
thats true
mellow quartz
let them do what they want as long as your heart is pure you will succeed
That’s not how the world works lol
gaunt plover
what do you guys think about battal scared veteran?
compact jackal
My heart is pure. Insert the speech from Hatred.
gaunt plover
has anyone have any experience when that actually saved a pull?
mellow quartz
what do you guys think about battal scared veteran?
If you need it you need it if you don’t you don’t.
slim dove
its bugged for starters
mellow quartz
You probably get more value out of it in its current state.
compact jackal
Is there even a situation where it's useful and it's NOT your fault it procced?
tawny kiln
taking damage lul
mellow quartz
It procs of pre mitigation calculations