protection

[south mesa]

Opinions on bis embellished for Raids and M+?

[lyric geode]

@ebon wren it is more about railroading revenge for dmg. If you are not about to die and you have good sustain, why use SB?

[heavy temple]

many get the shield, but I am personally waiting to fill slots week 1

[ebon wren]

uh never a problem, you charge, and cast it again if it did happen to drop

[lyric geode]

@south mesa what?

[ionic fern]

The takes this morning.

Woah.

[limpid anchor]

Why use revenge if you have ww?

[ebon wren]

^

[lyric geode]

Windwalker?

[limpid anchor]

Yes

[heavy temple]

you cast it when you are at 0 charges? interesting

[lyric geode]

Uh...

[south mesa]

what Embellished should i run for M+ and raids respectively

@lyric geode

[lyric geode]

I hate these guys.

[ebon wren]

it's not going to drop before I gain another charge

[heavy temple]

it is, or rather, it can

[lyric geode]

No idea unfortunately. I am on phone.

[limpid anchor]

I guess it depends on how fast you pull

[ebon wren]

no? there's only like a 2 second gap. you're talking super edge-case here dude. @heavy temple

[south mesa]

you cant get 100% uptime on Shield block

[lyric geode]

@ebon wren is all about efficiency.

[heavy temple]

it is a 6s gap with current levels of haste

Do it if you want it for convenience, but please dont recommended it to a new player learning the spec

[lyric geode]

Anyway, guys dont gaslight him. We are all here to learn.

[heavy temple]

Especially, when playing ITF

[lyric geode]

That is a bit harsh.

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[ionic fern]

Not doing that.
We gave multiple reasons as to why that's wrong. 🙂

[ebon wren]

how many of yall running high enough to make this matter anyway. I've ran 25-26 level just fine, and not even as necro last season. I swear I had the opposite argument telling someone not to macro IP and eveyrone telling me im wrong.

[limpid anchor]

Just because you can doesn’t mean it’s good

[severe steeple]

just another day on a class discord

[pallid quiver]

we didn't use to be like this back in S3/S4.

about then all we got was "yo codex is godlike tho????"

not "flagrant misunderstanding of the base mechanics of the class"

[jagged pier]

theres always wrong takes

[ionic fern]

It's the curse of the "FOTM".

Just blowing up more now.

[jagged pier]

it just depends if u learn from them or not

[ionic fern]

I wish some streamer would say Prot is bad.

😦

[pallid quiver]

Same

[heavy temple]

That's a weird logic. People literally did 25s with 5 tanks. (I'm not saying that it is not an achievement to reach 25s, but just because you can do 25s while doing X doesnt mean X is good).

[jagged pier]

@strong forum can u stream and say it bad please

[pallid quiver]

Instead they're all saying it's the single best tank in absolutely every regard, and that BDK does literally zero damage

[severe steeple]

well this guy says he was playing S3/S4 shadowlands where it was not fotm

[jagged pier]

i mean i did 27s with them

and that wasnt even the highest they went too

and im aweful

so saying u did 25s means nothing

[heavy temple]

I mean, generally speaking no

[jagged pier]

compared to the ppl i was playing with in the keys

yes

[ionic fern]

Lets start a crowdfunding to tip Naowh to say that prot is bad.

[heavy temple]

You are bad compared to MDI players, but overall doing 27s definetly makes you generally speaking a decent player

[ionic fern]

[rotund cliff]

25s were pretty easy mid way threw s4

[heavy temple]

Yeah, as i said. It is perspective

[ionic fern]

It's fine - you're better than me.

[ashen plinth]

should i make the embellished shield? mainly focusing m+

[lyric geode]

This is all petty tbf. How can we inspire young folk to start playing protection warrior, if we put ahold of our ego.

[ionic fern]

Huh?

[ionic fern]

Yes, it's a solid option.

[ebon wren]

^ and demand perfect efficiency

[pallid quiver]

im just gonna add that one to the list so i sleep well tonight

[ashen plinth]

can people fulfill the work orders now? im not sure what can and cant be made yet

[jagged pier]

we arent demand perfect efficieny we are asking u dont use SB incorrectly

[lyric geode]

I mean, I do this. Dont do that, it is -10% less efficient.

[noble lynx]

YOU GET A YUGE SHIELD AND YOURE A LITERAL BASTION OF GLORY AND MIGHT

[pallid quiver]

Both shields can be made at the moment, yes

[severe steeple]

wasting your active mitigation for damage is not just inneficient , its wrong on all levels

[noble lynx]

Depends

[ashen plinth]

ok good to know, im 372 and my shield is one of my lowest

i think ill make it tomorrow

[junior brook]

Actually wondering, do any of our abilities "scale" with Shield-iLvL or is it all depending on your Weapon-iLvL?

[pallid quiver]

One requires a good bit more effort to grab, though

[pallid quiver]

man's swinging at the wrong person

[limpid anchor]

It’s a free4all now

[ebon wren]

there's no damn wrong lol, people can' play how they damn want to. Yall scream 'youll never run +30 that way!!!

[severe steeple]

just here for the blood tokens

[limpid anchor]

Ofc there’s a correct way and a wrong way

[severe steeple]

ill just say that i would not want to be your healer and leave it here

enough discord servering for the day

[noble lynx]

The truth is, unless youre doing something insanely wrong, you can do high end keys as a tank for playing however it is more convenient for you as long as its good enough

[pallid quiver]

I mean, if you come here, the assumption is that you want to get better at the game. Which involves playing well. I don't understand the people who come in here, declare what they're doing, and then shout about "I PLAY HOW I WANTTTTT"

like, fair

the fuck are you asking for advice for then, just play the game and be happy

[ebon wren]

im not lol, I'm giving advice

but ill stfu

[zealous willow]

[lyric geode]

All good so far. Ah peace at last achieved.

[limpid anchor]

That’s even worse

[noble lynx]

What was the question and advice even

[ebon wren]

I told a new player overwhelmed by buttons to macro shield block ;p

[pallid quiver]

People were talking about macroing Shield Block onto things

[ebon wren]

eaiest way to trigger this sub, macroing and codex. codex is gone, I still have macro's

[broken crater]

macros*

[warm plinth]

I was obviously speaking from a defensive standpoint if you'd read all the messages I sent regarding it. I even made the disclaimer that it may not be the case now since it's very easy to maintain shield block 100% of the time.

[noble lynx]

Nice sunglasses

[broken crater]

cheers

[strong forum]

☁️ 🕶️

[warm plinth]

But I still don't think it's a good habit to get into to just spam shield block to build up duration

[jagged pier]

its not

[warm plinth]

Even if you look at it from a pack to pack scenario, you don't want to be running to a new pack wasting seconds of SB

[jagged pier]

er go why theres a correct way and a bad way

[broken crater]

idk if prot has 100% uptime on that anyways but itll make you cry going from prot to vdh because if you try to do that with spikes youre gonna be surprised :>

[warm plinth]

We do, assuming proper play

[broken crater]

gonna go ahead and assume spamming it on cd isnt proper play

[warm plinth]

You would assume correctly

War is 68 😱

[strong forum]

Discord when macros and codex

[zealous willow]

U dont spam it , u extend it with SL and SC

[broken crater]

war is literally ancient 👀

[warm plinth]

Listen

you lil shit

[broken crater]

which one is wearing the codex

[noble lynx]

Woof woof bark bark

you are banned from league for 14 days

[ionic fern]

The dog.

[broken crater]

deep

[ionic fern]

[warm plinth]

man why is the condemn animation so good

[noble lynx]

Isnt execute the same?

[ionic fern]

Anyone else like doing m0 dungeons with Titanic Throw and Improved Heroic Throw?

[jagged pier]

no

[warm plinth]

iI thought about that tbh

[ionic fern]

😦

[noble lynx]

i played dance of death

[warm plinth]

fun > damage and utility

[noble lynx]

Or whatever its called

I thought it stacks /mob

But its just a flat 20%

Madge

[ionic fern]

The saddest part is..that even if i try some wild builds people are still pulling less DPS than me.
I'm not sure if it's because we're overtuned or because people are bad.

[warm plinth]

here's the real question

are they ever going to make impending victory glow on resets

[ionic fern]

I am leaning towards the second.

[ebon wren]

whats the throw that does 5 at once? that one is shit. It's not like avengers shield where it ignores CC'd mobs, that throw will pull everything

[ionic fern]

Titanic Throw.

[warm plinth]

Yeah but like

[ebon wren]

learned that on moroes the hard way

[warm plinth]

we wanna pull everything mwahahahhaaha

[ionic fern]

How do you expect to get 100 parses in dungeons if you don't pad like a mad man.

SMh.

What is this.

[uncut juniper]

talking about dps. Whats the best bursty m+ trinket in m0 atm? The one from Halls 1st Boss?

[warm plinth]

Yeah

like come on

the one from the 3 dwarf dudes in Uldaman is pretty sick

and not all that hard to use imo

[uncut juniper]

you mean the aoe bomb one? :D

[warm plinth]

yeah

[ionic fern]

I'm liking the football one. Doing 90-130k. Only ST tho. 😦

[uncut juniper]

football one?! :D wheres does that one drop?

[ebon wren]

whats with trinkets having cast channel time, like puzzle box. is it a bug?

[warm plinth]

there have pretty consistently been a trinket or two each expansion that have a cast/channel

not completely unheard of

[jagged pier]

its has a cast time u need to solve the puzzle

[steel rock]

that sounds like a fury effect ngl

kick shit and do dmg

[uncut juniper]

aaah algethar academy

[ebon wren]

hold up mr. dragon boss, I need to solve this puzzle real quick

[warm plinth]

heyyy

azure span is actually not lagging right now, knock on wood

[ebon wren]

aight fellas im gonna go find more ways to macro my skillz. been real.

[uncut juniper]

Whats with the Blazebinder Hoof?

[warm plinth]

Make sure to macro shield charge and charge

that's the popular one right now

[ebon wren]

In prepatch I ran a few as kyrian, wearing codex, macroing SB, in defensive stance. yall woulda lost your damn minds.

[jagged pier]

intenially trolling which that statement is intented to get a rise is a mute

so i suggest u stop now

[noble lynx]

Isnt shield charge lower range

[jagged pier]

thats a troll comment

[warm plinth]

I was being sarcastic when I said that, but no I don't think so?

[noble lynx]

Charge is 30 shield charge is 25 i think

[warm plinth]

shows how much I know

[noble lynx]

Altho shield charging on pull is nice

[strong forum]

I like it alot

If you send it 10sec before your CDs you can get some nutty burst

[noble lynx]

Sadly its 2min not 1.5min

[strong forum]

Ye

[uncut juniper]

im just planning out trinkets i wanna target in our next m0 clear run

[noble lynx]

M0 gear very important

I wish there were world boes man people would pay millions

[uncut juniper]

ilvl wise its not an upgrade anymore yea but thats why i wanna focus on trinkets and guildie lootshare support

[warm plinth]

dreadfire vessel OP, 1-shots quest mobs ez

😏

[ebon wren]

Rage loss over charging and then hit shield charge. But you gain a GCD I suppose

[noble lynx]

Charge isnt gcd

But charge shield charge is good i guess if you dont need the mobility right away

Or doesnt matter tbh war op

[blazing condor]

Ive been running blazebinder hoof and it feels good

you almost always get 3 procs at least

which is good strength

[ebon wren]

Shield charge is off gcd?

[noble lynx]

No

[pallid quiver]

It is if you charge with it

[noble lynx]

What

[ebon wren]

That’s what I meant you gain one.

[pallid quiver]

but if you use it in melee range as an actual button it's on the GCD

[noble lynx]

It is on gcd

[pallid quiver]

That being said, the animation of the shield charge movement and the time it takes to get into charging range makes this a novelty at best

[warm plinth]

how dare you

That is our class fantasy sir

[blazing condor]

i feel like shield charge is weird

[ebon wren]

It’s fun but I think the cd is too long

[blazing condor]

sure good damage and all

but its just an ability that deals damage and gives us reprisal effect

[noble lynx]

Its a stun

[ebon wren]

Loving roar dot build. I don’t know what will prove meta but this build is for me.

[sweet summit]

bro in a class discord where we help people do the right things complaining about us doing exactly that 💀

[ebon wren]

Well I guess I’ve played successfully the wrong things.

[noble lynx]

Youre a tank, pull, hold agro, dont die

Gg you just timed 28s

How you do that dont matter

[ebon wren]

word

[noble lynx]

That being said your experience might change when healers can and can not spamheal you to fix your mistakes

[winter loom]

Guys is running dungeons the fastest way to level an alt?

[warm plinth]

no, dungeons are basically never the fastest way to level an alt

[severe steeple]

do campaign

full W campaign

[warm plinth]

But they are more fun for a lot of people

You can't just do the campaign

[noble lynx]

I feel like the dungeons are rly slow

And not fun

[warm plinth]

Campaign only will get you to 67.5

YOu want to do some side quests along the way

[hot ore]

check this guide out. its like 2 hours 60-70

https://youtu.be/Cikcc_7Pfk4

[solar crown]

Sounds like your argument is that you get away with playing incorrectly, and based on that you can give advice to others that they also can play incorrectly. Probably wont matter to most people, but it just sounds weird to argue about t

[winter loom]

Thanks guys

[tacit haven]

Is anyone keeping track on mobs/abilities that ignore threat table in dungeons?

[hot ore]

Im also a new tank (played healers since vanilla). Tried prot pala, war, dh and bear in S3 and S4 of SL and decided on maining tanks from now on

[lyric elm]

Is there anything more than the frogs?

[hot ore]

Is there a recource that clearly indicates an ability i can spell reflect? like a glowing icon in the nameplate of the mob or something that is hard to miss?

[lyric elm]

You can use bigwigs for that

Plater supports it as well

All abilities in the game

[noble lynx]

I feel like a lot of times people give advice on how to play the class perfectly when in reality they would get a lot bigger improvement from pulling better and having more awareness

[tacit haven]

In halls after first boss? So no other abilities that make mobs focus on others?

[hot ore]

kinda noob with addons, I usually just grab ready presets from wago

[lyric elm]

Plater is fine to config

[hot ore]

ok will look it up thanks

[neon elk]

Iirc those birds at dragons boss trash in offense dungeon( centaurs) ignore agro too

[lyric elm]

From running the dungs I can't remember anything else. The Hunter hyenas throw traps at people etc but they don't exactly aggro

[lyric elm]

Nokhud?

[tacit haven]

Aight, thanks

[neon elk]

Yea, around first boss where u deal with balistas there are som birds and they seem to work without agro. But i did it like twice or so, so maybe also not

[lyric elm]

Ok good to know

[solar crown]

That is true. But leaning into bad habits is not a good way to 'git gud'

[tacit haven]

On a few pulls my plater suggests I’ve got aggro but mobs are all over the place, mostly after first boss in halls, but made me worried my platers threat colors are broken

[lyric elm]

They do target random people often for abilities

[noble lynx]

If it makes you more comfortable on focusing the tank basics (not class basics) then it will help you git gud

As long as you understand its temporary

[tacit haven]

Yeah for targeted spells I get, I got that covered with target names

[lyric elm]

You'd be surprised at the amount of people asking for advice but are unwilling to put in the effort to improve hehe

It's largely a waste of time to help people unless you know they can use the info you give them

[lyric elm]

People do pull big bursts now and we'll get more aggro this reset so

Could be this issue

[deep cargo]

do we just straight up not use whirlwind slam or rend?

[noble lynx]

Yep

[lyric elm]

That's right

[warm plinth]

don't even need them on your bar

[lyric geode]

Use rend on every single target. @deep cargo /s

[tacit haven]

True. Would be nice with a list of mobs or abilities (like spiteful type fixate) that make mobs focus others, but I guess that’ll be coming with time 🙂

[lyric elm]

Yes for sure

[latent vigil]

Is there anywhere to read up on the impact of the brutal vitality nerfs?

[lyric elm]

Not really because it's almost irrelevant

[latent vigil]

oh, so not a major impact

[lyric geode]

Guys, a bit improvement is to chain pull to reset your buff that gives 25% more block.

[lyric geode]

My question is. How much impact it has, great or small?

Should I keep in mind of it or it isnt that substantial

[strong forum]

Eh

Seems excessive

[lyric geode]

Ok, that is what I think as well.

It will have some value in high keys for survivibility. But at current content it isnt that big of a deal.

[strong forum]

I don't think it's likely that a scenario will exist where the lack of 25% block value for a few globals is going to determine your survival

[noble lynx]

If anything you do it for the increased shield slam dmg

[strong forum]

People love to make up unrealistic scenarios to justify "defensive gains"

See bdk

[noble lynx]

Crit bdk

Kek

[strong forum]

Loads of ehp bullshittery "yeah but in a +40 you'd not live"

Crit bdk ruled

[noble lynx]

Nyope

[ionic fern]

It'll end up being ~5-6% extra DR.

So nothing game breaking.

[lyric geode]

Wow. Already people simmed it and have an answer.

[noble lynx]

Its not sim its basic math

[lyric geode]

Huh?

[lyric geode]

I was quite surprised by this.

I mean the rude.

[noble lynx]

Sry its monday

[warm plinth]

who is being rude 🤔

[topaz blade]

so I haven't found any weakauras for spell reflection in DF. Does anyone have one?

[strong forum]

May i ask why you think so?

[noble lynx]

Haste more fun

[lyric geode]

Average New Yorker.

[strong forum]

? You'd keep the same amount of haste

But instead of vers you'd go crit

800 to be exact

[lyric geode]

You could play crit haste as Bdk?

[strong forum]

Yes

[lyric geode]

It doesnt need to be versa your secondary stat.

[strong forum]

Was arguably better than vers

And more dmg ofc

[ionic fern]

Anyone in game can give me their shield BlockValue and current block DR?

[lyric geode]

Still, I believe leech with critical can do wonders. Leech is got so much underrated.

[strong forum]

Cuz with close to 100% drw uptime and thus 83% avoidance, you'd be practically immune to physical dmg because of bloodshield

[noble lynx]

Rude

[strong forum]

You'd entirely negate physical dmg as bdk, and exclusively tank magic dmg

[warm plinth]

do I need any specific talents/ilevel? I can swap to prot rq

[ionic fern]

No.

[noble lynx]

But wasnt it the range of irrelevancy

[strong forum]

Nah, it was to specifically prove that crit isn't a bad stat

[warm plinth]

2,167 block value, 21.14% reduction @ionic fern

[ionic fern]

Thank you.

[warm plinth]

that's at level 69 though fwiw

[lyric geode]

Still, leech is underrated.

[strong forum]

Leech isn't underrated

[blazing condor]

you want more mwahi?

[strong forum]

You just need alot of it for it to be good

[ionic fern]

Shoot.

[lyric geode]

I would value -4 ilvl item with leech.

[blazing condor]

gimme a min

[lyric geode]

And protection inheritedly has 10%

[strong forum]

Eh

Depends on which slot

[lyric geode]

I am not good with English. Not my first language.

[strong forum]

Same

[blazing condor]

2,272 block and 21,94% reduc

[warm plinth]

I love that you used a comma both as a comma and as a decimal point

[lyric geode]

Hahaha. To be honest.

[blazing condor]

yeah lol

i just copied what the tooltip said

[lyric geode]

It is quite tiresome that institutions of my country have , as a decimal and . as seperation point. And other scientific papers are entirely opposite.

[blazing condor]

i know what you mean

make up your minds

also maybe this is explained somewhere but how come they renamed Dragon Roar to Thunderous Roar

in an xpac literally about dragons

[strong forum]

We could've literally been dragon knights

But nooo

[jagged pier]

i actually hate dracthyr so im chill

[blazing condor]

bro

i had a dracthyr healer pull me all through the god dang dungeon yesterday

i didnt even get to charge into mobs

they pulled me on top of them by running in first

[lyric geode]

Imagine playing drakthyr warrior.

[timid jolt]

that's the point, can't hog the spotlight as warriors xD

[lyric geode]

I would vomit from the sight alone.

[blazing condor]

sorry evoker i mean

[sick sentinel]

i don't understand now , did they massively nerf protection or no now ?

are we still the SSS Tier class for mythic+ ?

[jagged pier]

eh?

[pallid quiver]

terrible, god awful, can't even log into the game without dying

[jagged pier]

im always dead on char screen

[ionic fern]

Open world?

[cobalt seal]

Pwar dead reroll bear

[blazing condor]

yeah this is me just chilling outside

if thats what youre askig

[warm plinth]

I was not targeting anything for mine btw. So no "xx% against this target"

[lyric geode]

Bear and chill.

[sick sentinel]

@cobalt seal really ? is that 15% less gonna break us or are you trolling ?

[cobalt seal]

No troll

Bear is ssss tier

[jagged pier]

the change effects nothing

IP is not the reason we are good

[lyric geode]

I played bear. I use the configuration of my protection warrior. I have 3 bars empty.

It feels so empty that I dont have to press so many buttons.

[sick sentinel]

@jagged pier yeah i tanked all m0 for the first time in history as a prot warrior in the beginning of expansion i feel strong. all other expansions i always starf for rage ,and i feel squishy .

[ionic fern]

Just proves my point.

[jagged pier]

thats because warrior is easier to play

nothing to do with IP

and probably scaling

literally no tank takes damage in m0s right now

[ionic fern]

[jagged pier]

and in previous expansions never felt squishy in m0s first few weaks of warrior thats just because u needed to know how to play it

[sick sentinel]

@jagged pier do you think we will remain S tier when M+ starts ?

[jagged pier]

who the fuck cares

[ionic fern]

Tier lists are trash.

[jagged pier]

id rather be f

[blazing condor]

^

[jagged pier]

so i dont have to deal with tier list questions

and fotm rerollers

tbh

[winter loom]

is it worth speccing into the execute stuff for questing? Especially into sudden death? It seems so bad compared to show of force

[jagged pier]

no

[sick sentinel]

@jagged pier People Care because they won't invite me , they would take a druid or demon hunter or even prot pala as always . so if we are S tier people will care

[jagged pier]

ive never not been invited to pugs

because of my class

[ionic fern]

^

If you're a tank you won't have issues.

[crimson furnace]

S tier all the way @sick sentinel : S-uck on these 🥜

hahahahaha

[ionic fern]

I diddn't. 🤷

[jagged pier]

and before u start your in guild blah blah blah

[ionic fern]

Won't matter for questing tho.

[jagged pier]

ive pugged m+ since legion

[cobalt seal]

Purely a skill issue

Also

Run

Your

Own

Keys

[limpid anchor]

Reroll dh

Pwar is dead

[cobalt seal]

Havoc?

[jagged pier]

u dont need to cro

[ionic fern]

I thought bear was meta.

[jagged pier]

like literally sign up and get invited

[sick sentinel]

@cobalt seal i am planning to run my own key what do you think of 3 demon hunters and resto shaman for pushing

[ionic fern]

Or Prot Pala.

[cobalt seal]

Sounds as good as any comp

I literally dont care

Bring the player not the class

[limpid anchor]

Get some survival hunters in

[jagged pier]

is that why u run 5 tanks?

[sick sentinel]

what dungeon we will need decures,remove disease,dispel and purge ?

[timid jolt]

some of the most fun i've had was just 5 random classes with no concern for comp.
3 DPS warrs? SURE!
Ret Pal, Feral and Arms? why not? xD

[cobalt seal]

Then i wouldnt play

[sick sentinel]

i wish we warriors can heal as paladins because i saw once a paladin did +15 on youtube without a healer and 3 arms warriors i don't remember his name

[jagged pier]

What?

[cobalt seal]

@sick sentinel if you remove this wasted time on overthinking meta

[jagged pier]

We dont need to heal

[cobalt seal]

And used that time

[trim bay]

Man I'm getting pissed of with people saying every time I do a dungeon prot needs to be nerfed

No

[cobalt seal]

To improve

[jagged pier]

Been running 15 without a healer for years

[trim bay]

I endured all last expansion

[cobalt seal]

So you dont say pwar needs healing

You would get invites to pugs

Instead you get a addon note

[sick sentinel]

It's impossible , warriors need to be healed

[lyric geode]

People get confused and surprised that warrior tanks arent trash.

[cobalt seal]

"Do not invite"

[trim bay]

I have posted mid convo. I apologise

[jagged pier]

Its not because used to run it all the time

Hell cro and nome did 27s and higher as 5 tanks

[sick sentinel]

damn

[ionic fern]

Nice joke.

[cobalt seal]

Only if the dps warrior

[elfin scarab]

what does "cro" stand for? never heard that

[cobalt seal]

Were dogshit

It stands for my name

[elfin scarab]

oh

yikes

mb

[trim bay]

I selected the cobalt ring that provides the absorb shield. That shit does 20-30 percent of my heals

[jagged pier]

It stands for idiot

[cobalt seal]

[lyric geode]

Uh....

[strong forum]

Cro stands for

[timid jolt]

i stg, y'all are making me seriously consider gearing Prot again... i guess i should give in to temptation

[sick sentinel]

Jakey how many packs are you pulling in mythic+ with pug groups ? also a question how do you pull 2 or triple pack when they keep casting and you can't gather them in one place

[cobalt seal]

:bearsignyes:

[lyric geode]

You los them

People should follow the tank and los as well.

If they dont.

They deserve to die.

But...

I WILL LOSE 3 SECONDS DOWNTIME....

[sick sentinel]

@lyric geode so i should never a body pull ? also lets say triple backs are coming into me , do i have to use cds like shield wall etc to survive initial spike of the damage

[cobalt seal]

Why would you body pull

What spike of dmg

Just sb

[warm plinth]

Body pulling is really a thing of the past. No one body pulls anymore. Every tank has some kind of ranged ability they can throw out on mobs

[lyric geode]

Since we are proactive tanks. Most of our kit is proactive, you should know how much dmg you will take. Mostly instinctively.

[sick sentinel]

@cobalt seal i mean +15 etc first weeks we are squishy when you go pull bigger pulls you can die

[cobalt seal]

Squishy?

With this mentality

[short vale]

Say that to rando stupid pug dh zooming all around into other packs 🫠

[cobalt seal]

I dont think you do 15s first weeks

[pallid quiver]

i body pull on mount sometimes when i'm pulling every last damn pack between bosses because i can't be assed to think about pressing heroic throw

[cobalt seal]

Like press your buttons

And you arent squishy lol

[severe steeple]

you should see how much of your dmg the other ring does

[warm plinth]

I wonder what gets consumed first, the ring or Ignore Pain

My guess is probably the ring?

[lyric geode]

My teammate healer is getting pissed at me. That is a good indication you are doing well.

[sick sentinel]

@lyric geode so if you don't keep the healer at his comfort zone then you are a great tank ?

[lyric geode]

You control the pace, not the way around.

[pallid quiver]

If the healer is at all concerned about you with current damage profiles, you have severely fucked up (ignoring dispells)

[lyric geode]

You are the boss

[cobalt seal]

Why would the healer control the pace

[pallid quiver]

The party will literally die around you way before you should ever feel threatened

[strong forum]

IP always comes last I think

[sick sentinel]

99% of the failed pugs always blame the tanks if something happened

[cobalt seal]

This

[lyric geode]

But! It isnt concerned about me.

[cobalt seal]

10x this

[warm plinth]

So would the ring not be looking stronger than it actually is in that sense? Since it's effectively just replacing damage that IP would've absorbed anyway?

[cobalt seal]

Somewhat correct

[jagged pier]

and 99% of the time its not the tanks fault

[strong forum]

That's the case with all absorbs

And also with leech stacking now

[ionic fern]

Jeah, i also get blamed in pug's by the DPS'ers who do less/equal to DPS than me and fail avoidable mechanics.

[lyric geode]

Interrupts, ccs.

[strong forum]

You take potential mitigation and healing away from other sources

[lyric geode]

If people cant use them.

[ionic fern]

Then i just leave and join another pug in 2 minutes while they take 10+ minutes to find one.

[strong forum]

E.g. Soulmonger

[warm plinth]

So the item is not as good as it looks on the meter

Right, that's what I was thinking of

[lyric geode]

It isnt your fault

[warm plinth]

Besides who needs a shield when you can have BIG DAM

(now that it's fixed)

[pallid quiver]

I actually haven't run into a single thing like that so far in this expac. People messed up on a mechanic in a pug and they were like, "Oops, ha ha, my bad, I'll try not to do that again" and everyone just went "No worries, we gotta learn somehow"

[lyric elm]

do we have a list of food/potions for m+?

[lyric geode]

You play wow?

[sick sentinel]

@lyric elm use the vers one because its cheap

[pallid quiver]

glacial fury phial's still stronk atm last I checked, healing pot+primary stat pot per usual for potions

[strong forum]

Well itll be more useful in actual content especially week1 with fort/raging

But rn it's obv just useless

[median tulip]

Right now I feel 98 shades of immortal. I'm sure that will change in harder content, but my guild healers thus far have said that healing any of our guild tanks is just a case of putting a HoT on us and forgetting about us.

[warm plinth]

Yeah

You just have to be doing content that actually does like..damage to you

lol

[strong forum]

Yea

[jagged pier]

its m0s whats going to hurt?

[lyric geode]

I feel offended that healer heal me.

[lyric elm]

great

[pallid quiver]

storm slam with like 6 stacks

i kinda felt that one a bit, not gonna lie

[strong forum]

I'm amazed you even got to 6 stacks

[sick sentinel]

is it better to pull double/triple packs and die or pull only one pack at first week to learn and go steady at pushing keys ?

[strong forum]

By the boss living that long*

[blazing condor]

say what you want about titanforging and shit but rolling a 30 ilvl epic upgrade when questing is based

[pallid quiver]

I was trying very hard

[jagged pier]

how u get to 6 stacks?

[pallid quiver]

i cannot say the same about the party

[warm plinth]

I loved titanforging

[strong forum]

9/10 times you can't even double/triple pull because of spacing between packs.

[lyric geode]

Me too...

[strong forum]

Learn the dungeons first, then go ham

Should be pretty obv

[grave crane]

Wait how did you get stacks can’t you just spell reflect it?

[cobalt seal]

You are overthinking it again

[strong forum]

You can't reflect it

[cobalt seal]

Just yolo

[grave crane]

Is this the last boss of centaur offensive?

[pallid quiver]

No, Ruby Life Pools

[lyric geode]

No, ruby

[grave crane]

Oh nvmy bad

[median tulip]

You aren't really going to learn anything about the M+ strats until +10 keys or better

[lyric geode]

This. And higher keys

[blazing condor]

you wont even need m+ strats for most levels

[median tulip]

If I haven't done at least a +15 on the day M+ releases I'll be disappointed in myself

[ionic fern]

MDI route or bust.

[blazing condor]

bust

[ionic fern]

I always loved the DPS'ers saying "DO THAT BIG PULL LIKE IN MDI".

[pallid quiver]

i dont even have a guild, do i look like someone try hard enough to mdi?

[blazing condor]

ok then do that big dps like in mdi

[timid jolt]

MDI? just pull everything to boss

[ionic fern]

Ok..i will..
And then no one interrupts, everyone is doing sub-optimal damage and everyone dies to avoidable stuff.

And then they call the tank bad.

[warm plinth]

Stupid tank

[lyric geode]

They will call the healer bad.

[ionic fern]

Haha, no.

It's always the tank.

[lyric geode]

From my perspective, 80% of the blame goes on healers. That is why I avoid healing as devil avoids the water.

[median tulip]

It's always the tanks fault. Never the DPS being bad. The DPS voted on it and they outnumber us. That's DeMocRaCy

[strong forum]

Tank blames the healer

[ionic fern]

That's a weird take.

[strong forum]

Dps blame the tank

[lyric geode]

We are the boss.

[strong forum]

Healer blames the dps and tank

Endless cycle

[lyric geode]

If you dont exert authority, it is your blame.

[strong forum]

Of people blaming others for their mistakes

[ionic fern]

More often than not the fault in pug's is people not using their utility..interrupting the things..or just doing sub-optimal damage.

[jagged pier]

thats why u 5 tank and just blame cro

ez fix

[lyric geode]

You need people to respect you.

[ionic fern]

I've very-very rarely seen a healer fail in pugs.

[noble lynx]

I have had one guy die 3 times in a row to the ground stuff from gargoyle in sanguine depths

Blamed it on me

Like idk how as a tank am i supposed to move their char

[strong forum]

Shouldn't have tanked the mob within 100 yards of the dps player

Duh

[lyric geode]

I have and it isnt so pleasant.

[strong forum]

Just outrange the player

[noble lynx]

https://twitter.com/catgay13/status/1534302568209342464?t=xdqYu_0GRHx3CWhERzCRpw&s=19

catgay13 (@catgay13)

ye protwar bad sorry

Twitter · Jun 7, 2022, 10:33 PM

[strong forum]

Ah, he... Yeah okay he was biased against pwar so he refused to see reason

Probably

[timid jolt]

signed.

if a Rogue outheals the Heal by virtue of leech, well.....

[noble lynx]

S3 protwar was kinda fun

[lyric geode]

More like, Sanguine depths. 3 bosses that are healing check.

[noble lynx]

Healers were spoiled af in shadowlands

[lyric geode]

I enjoy playing discipline priest. I dont enjoy having that much responsibility.

[noble lynx]

Nothing to heal

[lyric geode]

Lol.

[cobalt seal]

https://tenor.com/view/fuck-you-dragon-maid-miss-kobayashis-dragon-maid-iceknight180-gif-25512875

[median tulip]

Only the second boss in sanguine depths was a challenge.

[lyric geode]

The third boss of SD was healing check.

[noble lynx]

It wasnt

It was a dr check

[lyric geode]

?

You dont take dmg from third boss.

[jagged pier]

[lyric geode]

You spell reflect the initial magic blast.

[median tulip]

The thirds boss was a "can you do the collection mechanic" check

[noble lynx]

Ok and whar about the rest of the group

[lyric geode]

You are king of physical mitigation.

[neon elk]

Did anyone do wrathion grind to max ? How long does it take ?

[noble lynx]

And what if you arent playing protwar

[cobalt seal]

Tank was never in problem there

Especially pwar lol

[noble lynx]

Healing check is moroes

[lyric geode]

Havent experienced that.

[median tulip]

See, now there's your problem

[timid jolt]

sincerely: no. that boss even hurt with 3 Orbs on 20+ Tyr.

[noble lynx]

Ye you had to rotate cds and collect less orb

So others can take more

[cobalt seal]

You know defensives exist?

[median tulip]

Oddly enough, the swirly shit used to scale with Fortified, because it was invisible bunnies.

[cobalt seal]

3 orbs plus a small defensive

0 dmg

[warm plinth]

I don't think our tank even took more than 1 orb on a +20 tyr lol

Just 1 orb + a CD

[noble lynx]

Not everyone has small defensive for each

[lyric geode]

Are you beta players?

[timid jolt]

no, i've never even bound DbtS or enraged regen. No damage are obvs wasted Buttons :D

[warm plinth]

This is the protection channel sir

[noble lynx]

Ban the word healer

[timid jolt]

i am aware, but it doesn't change the fact that 3rd Boss of SD is a Heal Check, since your group will Drop. significantly :D

[noble lynx]

Oneshots arent rly healing checks tho

[cobalt seal]

Its a brain check

[topaz crescent]

but you are not in a hurry to heal people after the dmg

[cobalt seal]

Not a healer check

Well both when you get into wf keys

[jovial wedge]

"Can someone explain to me why the SIM uses Shield Block twice almost in a row in the opener?"

[tender cove]

Because it has 2 charges and need to spend rage for anger management?

Just a guess.

[ionic fern]

Send link.

[jagged pier]

thats bad practice but sims are an unrealistic scenario anyway

[jovial wedge]

but wouldn't be better to spend it on IP?

[limpid anchor]

Didn’t we learn today not to do that

[jagged pier]

not for damage

[ionic fern]

There's a high chance that it's a bug/missed APL.

Could you please send the link.

[jagged pier]

also that

[jovial wedge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jbdZtig2xhMs1nQnYhrgfM

[tender cove]

how come?

[jagged pier]

because its 5 mins of standing still on a boss

not needing to worry about anything

[limpid anchor]

99k dps :o

[noble lynx]

Simming tanks

[jagged pier]

or moving

when does that ever happen

[tender cove]

I meant the bad practice part, not the unrealistic scenario.

[jagged pier]

but u dont spamm SB away

u use it when u need it

so u refresh it when it drops off

[jovial wedge]

that's just a patchwerk 8 bosses 40 secs

[jagged pier]

well supposed to

it changes alot as SB uptime is just handed to us

[limpid anchor]

Yes I know

[ionic fern]

That's why.

[jovial wedge]

can you translate? xD

[jagged pier]

but think about it this way u start a boss, u use your 2 charges the boss then forces u to move away for 5 seconds u wasted the second charge u could have saved that until u moved back in @tender cove

[ionic fern]

Use SB if SB duration is less than 18 seconds (with ED) or less than 12 seconds.

[tender cove]

Fair enough 🙂

[ionic fern]

You have to ask @strong forum for the logic behind that.
My closest bet is that SB rarely falls off due to all our talents so he just slaps them all together.

Looking at your sim buff uptime it looks like SB was up 90% of the time which is fine.

[jovial wedge]

maybe that's why yeah, it's just one fight

[strong forum]

I was trying to figure out why even with HR SB uptime was only 95%

So I slapped that in, it Rose SB uptime a bit

[jagged pier]

probably a weird case where is uses somthing else instead of SB or somthing

[jovial wedge]

but realistically speaking, it would be better to hold the second charge for when it's really necessary, right?

[strong forum]

Well in Sims you're always tanking

If you never overcap SB

You won't lose anything from sending it the way I wrote it

[tender cove]

Will uptime change signincantly with more gear? Coming from paladin and smashing sotr like there's no tomorrow has ruined my muscle memory a bit...

[strong forum]

Cuz it always gets 100% of SB wherether you hold onto it for 5 sec or not

[jagged pier]

no its just handed to us in talents really

but its still bad practice imo just to send your SB charge straight away

and always be for me at least anyway

like a few changes

to talents

and u need to start properly managing SB again

[ionic fern]

Well, in that sim he linked it's fine to be 90% cause it casted SB 5s into that 35s duration

[strong forum]

Yeah, I was just thinking about that part

[tender cove]

I get that its a bad practice, specially without AM up on tank busters, i get that you're supposed to hold a charge for that. But will we reach a point where we sorta always just have 100% uptime by playing? Sorta lika sotr?

[strong forum]

Would just have to move the line of SB above IP

And you'd get it earlier

[jagged pier]

yer right now u can

[tender cove]

Or are we limited by the charge system?

[strong forum]

But also, putting SB higher in Sims order wouldn't change anything dps wise

It would just increase SB uptime on the opener

[ionic fern]

Jeah, there's no real point to it.

[tender cove]

God, i need to study english more xD
Ok. Will there ever be a point, due to gear, that we just stop thinking about it, like there's always gonna be 100% uptime, even with "bad" play?

[blazing condor]

man i want serker rage

[ionic fern]

I automatically reach for it every time i get feared.:(

Feels bad.

[jagged pier]

i have it in my build

🤷

[ionic fern]

I'm hopeing i won't need it.

[sacred flare]

Where do the alchemist trinkets on scale of good and bad fall

[lyric geode]

Mediocre

[sacred flare]

So what like low b tier

[strong forum]

Between "meh" and "myeeh"

[sacred flare]

Lol

Any recommendations on first crafted pieces of gear

And do we know how conversation if crafted tier works yet?

[sweet summit]

i recommend not crafting anything yet

[digital kindle]

Is prots apm really much higher than other tanks? Feels like I’m getting carpal tunnel trying not to cap rage lol

[grave crane]

This is slower than season 3 and 4 of SL but you need to move your high press buttons to more comfortable spots

[limpid anchor]

Pretty much the same as bdk

So I wouldn’t say much higher than other tanks

[blazing condor]

sitting on 10% haste rn

[digital kindle]

Interesting ok maybe it’s just my setup

[cobalt seal]

Are you spending rage on ip

Or revenge?

[digital kindle]

Both, depends if I’m taking damage

[cobalt seal]

Hmm

Ip spending doesnt depende on dmg taken

You spend on ip

If you gonna overcap

[digital kindle]

Yeah I guess more so just if it’s a trash pull not doing much damage I prioritize revenge and keep some ip up

[cobalt seal]

But thats not how its done

If you gonna overcap

You spend on ip

Its ogcd

It doesnt hurt

And you dont overcap

[zealous willow]

any easy shields to get from world rares or treasures?

[sweet summit]

gnarls drops shield

[sick sentinel]

what ilvl reccomend for mythic 0

yes, i know you can go in naked or at 150 ilvl and probably have success

[cobalt seal]

150

[sweet summit]

like 340

[sick sentinel]

im talking about, you cant que for heroics till 342

[cobalt seal]

Quest gear is more than enough lol

[sick sentinel]

so, im not sure if its reccomending like 355

[topaz crescent]

i went in at 320-ish on most of my tanks and had zero issues

[ionic fern]

You don't queue for m0...

[limpid anchor]

320 is enough

[cobalt seal]

+40 considering who we talking to

So 360

[sick sentinel]

i know that but im trying to get it right

[ionic fern]

Get what right?

[blazing condor]

340 is probably the general recommendation

but you can do lower

[ionic fern]

Go in with what ever gear you got on right now

[sick sentinel]

so im not going in too low and get steam rolled

[cobalt seal]

If you get steam rolled

[limpid anchor]

Just press ww and you are fine

[cobalt seal]

Its skill issue

[sick sentinel]

i prefer to be the one doing steammrolling bulldozer

[cobalt seal]

Not gear issue

[ionic fern]

I think we've established that

Months ago.

[cobalt seal]

Yes

I think he forgot it

[ionic fern]

You will be fine with what ever gear you got on.

[cobalt seal]

[strong forum]

M0s are literally free

Can do them with 300

[sick sentinel]

rather be overpowered than underpowerd

[ionic fern]

What's your ilvl right now Yogi?

[sick sentinel]

337 339 bag

[ionic fern]

ok, you're fine.

Enjoy m0.

[coral kayak]

Do we still run brutal vitality ?

[sick sentinel]

was bit more with int healer trinket

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[sick sentinel]

i wonder if people will be running 20s day one

[cobalt seal]

They wont

[sick sentinel]

like, most ppl that is

[cobalt seal]

Wtf

Do you mean

[ionic fern]

Most people won't even run a +5

[cobalt seal]

Most people

[blazing condor]

most people are still leveling probably

[sick sentinel]

the friends group im in im behind at 337

[minor helm]

Just do m0 and you won’t be behind

[sick sentinel]

they are like, 350 to 375 ilvl i believe 2 or 3 of them anyways

[ionic roost]

Certain People will definitely be doing a 20 day ine

[blazing condor]

m0 has what ilvl

[minor helm]

372

[blazing condor]

dope

[cobalt seal]

Highly doubt

[sick sentinel]

yeah, if i can finish loremaster and a few zsros today id be pretty happy

[neon elk]

Day one most likely not . Week one , maybe, but it depends as mythic raids open too and they will likely live there instead of m+

[sick sentinel]

the people i learned to play modern wow bfa 8.0 and beyond taught me way of keystones

[minor helm]

Gotta expect the rwf guilds to be doing them at least

[sick sentinel]

and so thats what i enjoy mostly

[ionic roost]

If properly sequencing your fearing right now you should be between 272 and 278 depending on rare drop rng, with more ilvl scaling next week, people should be in the low to mid 280's

We did 20 testing on beta at 285

[noble lynx]

Day 1 probably not

[ionic roost]

372/378/380*

[noble lynx]

It would be extremely inefficient

[craggy pilot]

where do i go to start a hunt? 🤔

[noble lynx]

They probably do hc splits first 1-2 days

[sick sentinel]

i think rwf is onoy really exciting when it dossnt take 2 weeks

or like there is a bunch of intense competition

[ionic fern]

With the Centaur thingy? You gotta find the area the hunt is at.

It's not always where the icon is.

Somewhere nearby.

[craggy pilot]

i can see the Maruukai camp and the Aylaag Camp

[cobalt seal]

The icon says what zone it is

[sick sentinel]

i just kinda dind it rwally boring super duper team way over takes and then is 3 bosses ahead

[noble lynx]

10 days is the avg iirc

[cobalt seal]

In that zone there is multiple places for it

[noble lynx]

Or around that somewhere bit into 2nd reset

[ionic fern]

Those camps are not the hunts.

[craggy pilot]

oh its this i guess?

[ionic fern]

Those campsa are for dailies.

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[craggy pilot]

so Grand Hunt gives Maruukai rep or what?

[ionic fern]

A bit, yes.

15 per hunt

(6 in one event).

And then some tokens.

Which you can also swap for rep.

[neon elk]

It gives those thropies

[craggy pilot]

just wondering how i get to like Renown 20 for recipes

[cobalt seal]

The tokens are the important thing

[ionic fern]

But if i'm not wrong..it won't give any trophies after 6 full hunts (idk if daily or weekly).

Maybe i'm wrong tho..remember reading something like that.

[craggy pilot]

i think ill just do 1 weekly

for the epic chest

[long stone]

Need vandrakken rep 😦 for good recipes

[tropic gorge]

I've been flying around looking for more quests for rep. There's so much rep to grind, I feel like I'm behind. I could have ran Into a time gate but I'm not sure

[blazing condor]

is there anything you should actually do when ur 70 or is it mostly just cosmetics

e.g. in SL youd farm for renown / BFA for HoA AP

[trim bay]

crap or?

[lyric elm]

They made few things mandatory this time so not really

Renown progresses some story, that's about it

There's no rush to get it

[blazing condor]

dope

[north copper]

maybe a dumb question but with the thunder clap proccing rend every time do we ever have to press rend itself?

[hasty field]

No

Never

[north copper]

nice

seems like it's a good talent even in ST?

[lyric elm]

Yes

[severe steeple]

it is literally free real estate

[north copper]

nice

crackling thunder was nice qol but the dps seems nuts

[solar blade]

dont really know, it provides a stat we actually dont want and besides the main stat i guess its wack
youve got a 372 ruby trinket which is sick! in your position id take welpling + somethingelsegay

[north copper]

hopefully won't have to kite as hard as sl s1

[solar blade]

dont think so, this expansion requires your dps to understand cc/interrupts and that cc enables free dps without worries

[craggy pilot]

how do i start a siege? 🤔

[solar blade]

@craggy pilot wait till the siege marker aka the horn is to the south of the actual siege

[north copper]

you have no idea how anxious that makes me considering how my brackentides have gone so far

[solar blade]

there phase 1 of the event starts; you can do it with or without beeing in a raid/group

[north copper]

good to know tho, ty

[solar blade]

brackenhide man

thats a neckbreaker for pugs haha

[north copper]

fr

played pally in SL and used to being able to kick everything alone

now i'm lucky if one dps can kick the fear

[solar blade]

urgh..Im glad that i play with premades which i can flame over discord if something goes wrong

[north copper]

LOL

[craggy pilot]

the siege is saying this, but i have no idea how i participate

[north copper]

yeah i need to find a guild or something

pugging keys in SL made me quit

[solar blade]

jezu you need friends my man

glad all my people play for over 10 years so our goal is top 10 server (on our individual specc) and thats it for the rest of the season

[strong forum]

Fly there

[north copper]

LMAO don't say it like that

[craggy pilot]

i did, all the npcs are friendly

[strong forum]

No event happening? Then it's over already

[solar blade]

nielsen its south of the place where the siege itself happens

[north copper]

i added the good pugs i just took long breaks btw seasons

[craggy pilot]

it started 10 min ago

[strong forum]

Yeah it takes less to clear

[solar blade]

gotta wait 45 more minutes,marker will move to south and npc 'boss' will be waiting over there

[topaz crescent]

the event is over pretty quick if theres lots of people there when it starts

[craggy pilot]

is it an NPC i have to talk to?

[strong forum]

No

[solar blade]

if you dont participate in phase 1 of event its done for you

[craggy pilot]

ah shit, so i gotta be there right on the dot?

[topaz crescent]

pretty much

[craggy pilot]

sadge

anyone got a WA with timers for hunt/siege/feast ?

[opaque hearth]

is the Forgestorm mace bad due to lack of str?

[noble lynx]

Isnt it on map literally

By default?

[craggy pilot]

yea but i want WA cus im stupid and lazy

[lethal pecan]

hey on wowhead rotation during avatar I was seeing rotation being TC > SS > TC > Revenge > TC > etc...

but if my only concern is damage on 3+ target

I can just spam TC > Revenge as long as I have rage right?

[ionic fern]

Depends how long the pack lives and how is your rage gen.

But generally, yes.

[blazing condor]

SS is good at giving you rage back to spam revenge

[lethal pecan]

ofc

but as I said if big pack we usually lot of rage

[blazing condor]

yeah

then go for it

[lethal pecan]

so if I don't need to generate any I can just spam revenge/TC

ok

was just making sure I wasn't missing some kind of passive or buff from SS, new to spec

[ionic fern]

Well, in the very long run you might miss out on a Avatar due to the extra Rage gain from SS.

[lethal pecan]

Revenge takes over SS at 3+ target? (ofc when not in need of rage and damage is only concern)

[rugged root]

do i even keep rend on my ab?

[ionic fern]

If you got Blood & Thunder then no.

[lethal pecan]

when I pull 6+ adds I feel like I don't need to generate much rage, maybe some SS here and there if rage drops low but not as much as doig SS every 2 TC

[ionic fern]

Yes, but SS still generates more Rage which still feeds to more AM value which leads to more Avatars down the road.

That was the point.

[lethal pecan]

hmm I see

so just dumping the extra rage on Ignore pain

[ionic fern]

So just keep a fine balance between SS/TC/Revenge.

Like missing a SS or two is fine if you're busy spamming Revenge/TC for the damage in AoE.

But don't completely ignore it either.

[open gazelle]

^^^

Plus SS extends SB if talented

[solar blade]

also show of force very good talent to keep in mind for big violent outburst claps

[open gazelle]

It’s a must have imo

[solar blade]

this confirmed how i play it in aoe, thanks! SS is just down the prio list at this moment but notc completly out of it either

[open gazelle]

SS good for brace for impact too keep in mind

[rancid herald]

Revenge slaps so hard it feels bad hitting SS if you don’t need the rage in aoe situations

[mellow quartz]

? TC does more damage than revenge during avatar

should say TC slaps hard

[rancid herald]

Agree but revenge rage brings avatar back up quickly too. I still prio clap over revenge if avatar is up

[mellow quartz]

you rage dump to IP anyway if not used on revenge

so avatar uptime is the same

and revenge use over SS means less rage

so less rage dump

so less avatar

but for a pull in aoe still more damage obviously

[vapid rampart]

Will the change in reset make Fueled by Violence the choice over Brutal Vitality or nah?

[mellow quartz]

nah

also both do nothing at the moment in this content

[fierce field]

BV still feeds into the 4 piece better than FbV

[mellow quartz]

BV only matters if you take enough damage so that your IP is at risk of breaking before you press IP manually to rage dump

if you are not in that situation its 0 value

[lyric geode]

BV is good if you have consistent big dmg taken.

[mellow quartz]

it's just shield size vs damage taken vs IP spam

if IP never breaks it has no value

[strong forum]

Last time I tested it it's better than others, but that was from beta, could've been nerfed by now. There it was better than a Str weapon and beat it by like 3-5ilvl

[dusky canopy]

In general just try your best to keep TC/SS on cd while spamming revenge and also ignore pain whenever revenge isn’t enough to prevent capping

[lyric geode]

I love when we circle jerk on things that are obvious. And we all agree. And we just arguing on the agreed things.

[sick sentinel]

The bleed option has the upside of working if you just monkey smash revenge and dont push IP because m0

[lyric geode]

Imagine forgestorm on m+ on season2

[strong forum]

Assuming it isn't nerfed already

[junior trench]

So is there still no consensus on which of the crafted shields are better? I read through the discussion like twice and it seemed like folks were torn

[lyric geode]

Still, I would see a stack armor of palas warriors and everyone.

[junior trench]

Defender/haste+vers/armor spikes or molten

[dusky canopy]

Random mention, cobalt assembly tank ring is doing roughly 12% of my overall healing!

[strong forum]

Yes it's overtuned as shit

[dusky canopy]

Real strong go get it

[strong forum]

All 3 rings are

[lyric geode]

How much ilvl will it get replaced?

[strong forum]

Never

[dusky canopy]

Tough to say bro

12% healing is massive af

[strong forum]

As it stands right now

Both the dps ring and the tank ring are bis until s2

[dusky canopy]

It’s like shell from bfa

[lyric geode]

I mean, do we replace it if we have 410 ring?

[digital kindle]

I was farming cobalt assembly for like an hour and only got a couple of rep drops

[mellow quartz]

keep in min 12% now is not 12% at max level

[dusky canopy]

You wore it even in the next season

[strong forum]

No

[dusky canopy]

Because it was 10% of your healing

[lyric geode]

Kewk

[strong forum]

Those rings won't get replaced by ilvl

They're ludicrously overpowered

[lyric geode]

Well played Blizzard.

Thank you!

[mellow quartz]

won't make it to mythic week

[strong forum]

More like "not tested"

[dusky canopy]

Dudes honestly its a good thing it’s nice to have random items like that be strong

[lyric geode]

Still, they allowed s3 bdk in SL.

[dusky canopy]

Doesn’t always have to be highest item level wins

[strong forum]

Yeah nobody understands why bdk got left as is

[lyric geode]

This!

[strong forum]

For 10 months straight

[mellow quartz]

kinda does with their itemization philosophy, if you have a lower ilvl piece that is better than a higher ilvl piece they messed something up by the way they think about it themselves.

[lyric geode]

No.. bdk wasnt op. Smh

[mellow quartz]

they nerfed the tier sets, and then reversed that nerf

[lyric geode]

We were competitive!!!

[mellow quartz]

didn't get left alone 🙂

[dusky canopy]

This may be the case, but I think in general it was a liked thing to be able to use previous tiers items that you earned

[strong forum]

[mellow quartz]

I am not saying there havent been or aren't situations where a lower ilvl piece is better, just saying in blizzards mind if that is the case they fucked something up

[strong forum]

We kinda were but kinda weren't, bdk just did outright more dmg and gave 0 fucks about which key they did

[dusky canopy]

+35 JY

https://tenor.com/view/none-of-my-business-tea-kermit-frog-gif-5084362

[strong forum]

JY is actually the key where pwar was better

[dusky canopy]

Word nom.. word

[tropic gorge]

Blizz can't ever allow another thunder fury situation to happen again.
I'm bc some guilds farmed Mc for tf. The proc was super, super strong and helped carry people through prog

[lyric geode]

There isnt an expansion where bdk wasnt good. It is like the entire dev team consists of bdks.