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lusty grotto
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if youre not bothering to farm anything you're gonna replace in week one of M0, then why worry about trinkets at all earlier????

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im so confused

tender cove
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Because tradtionally, not a single rep grind with such rewards have been done in 1 hour xD

lusty grotto
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traditionally there hasnt been rep grinds where you can stack some dumb OP powers either

tender cove
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I dunno. Game hasn't even been out a week. I think you either need food or sleep bro.

lusty grotto
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huh

tender cove
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You're just salty and grumpy towards everything

lusty grotto
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thats how i am

tender cove
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Maybe work on that then.

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xD

lusty grotto
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and how ive always been

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nah

tender cove
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At least you own it, i can respect that.

lusty grotto
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this isnt even me salty and grumpy

tender cove
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Say it like you're proud haha

lusty grotto
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gonna be rough if you ever see those sides

tender cove
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I'll make a mental note to keep on your good side bro

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On that note, i'm going to bed.

lusty grotto
tender cove
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love you too

slim dove
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the ring is 2 ppm

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its very strong if we ever took damage.

cobalt seal
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Imagine not taking dmg

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Smh

oblique drift
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Man I have no idea how. I did the M0 world tour, did all the major world events, have filled available slot with war mode gear, done both of the chest events, and I'm only 268

cobalt seal
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You did stuff too early

oblique drift
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I did the M0 tour first

cobalt seal
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Or havent done the farms

oblique drift
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Not sure what farms you are referring to, there are several

cobalt seal
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Only 2 give good gear

oblique drift
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you can farm for war mode gear, farm for the ring, do the wrathion rep, you could at one point farm rares, etc

silent cave
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ok, hear me out...

second wind is great

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tulip kelp
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Man these two weeks are killing me

ripe cave
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anyone know if there is a timer for the events scattered around the place?

oblique drift
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Any opinions on what professions are most useful to prot (aside from BS)?

lusty grotto
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depends on what your content type will be

oblique drift
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mostly M+

lusty grotto
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engineering perhaps

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and you dont need BS

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since trade orders exist

oblique drift
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I was considering engi for sure, though I feel like the restrictive nature of the modules is a huge drawback

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and that is true too

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maybe engi and alch then

lusty grotto
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perhaps

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that combo doesnt sound bad

stark pelican
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Does anyone have insight on what is the best crafted gear piece we should aim for and the longevity of that piece (assuming it can be upgraded like other pieces later).

loud patrol
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goblin glider?

silent cave
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full speed flying on maxed drake towards the island then with second wind and enough base HP

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slim dove
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is it just a blank zone rn?

silent cave
slim dove
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hoping its timeless isle 2.0 with dragonriding

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entire zone FFA pvp, no groups

silent cave
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wait isn't forbidden reach the starting zone for evokers?

slim dove
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i think so

oblique drift
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it is yeah

loud patrol
silent cave
loud patrol
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im checking razageth's prision

silent cave
loud patrol
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wait no i dont think this is razageth prison

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nvm it is

lusty grotto
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man i dont know if im bugged but i havent gotten one of those dragon profession knowledge things at all

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except for the one in the quest for it

loud patrol
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same

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like 2-3?

lusty grotto
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zero in my case

loud patrol
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no i mean the quests give you like 2

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1 per profession

lusty grotto
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oh right

astral breach
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does anyone know if the darkmoon card watcher would be good for protection warrior or just skip it?

worthy haven
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Just read the nerfs

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Guess warriors days in the sun are over already

last mason
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It’s a tiny nerf lmfao

olive steeple
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What’s the nerf

lusty grotto
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yep we're done, time to pack it up if youre a reroller

olive steeple
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Someone mind linking?

last mason
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Yes

naive gale
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brutal vitality from 30 to 15

astral breach
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Fueled by Violence now heals for 85% of the damage done by Deep Wounds (was 65%).
Brutal Vitality now causes 15% of the damage you deal to add to your active Ignore Pain (was 30%).

olive steeple
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That’s a reasonable nerf

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Well I don’t like it

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But I’m just glad my play style doesn’t change

astral breach
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anyone tested the darkmoon trinkets yet?

loud patrol
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they are not worth it

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easly replaceable

slim dove
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considering BV was/is bugged

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who cares

sleek current
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I presume we're going to run Fuelled by Violence instead then?

lofty beacon
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hi, how is prot difficulty in comparison to veng dh?

oblique drift
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Though it is technically a nerf, I honestly feel like it was more of an attempt to balance the two talent choices rather than directly nerf prot

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Like, I don't think the goal with this change was to make prot weaker, seems more like internal spec tuning the devs wanted to do

sleek current
lusty grotto
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harder to optimize

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vdh dps cds are send and forget

loud patrol
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i cant play bdk idk why i feel that i need more buttons lmao

lusty grotto
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warrior needs to set up avatar + demo with every other nuke and manage rage better than VDH fury

oblique drift
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I don't have much experience with veng dh, but I did play a fair bit of blood DK throughout SL. For me warr feels overall easier, but it also feels like I have less control over the battlefield than blood DK does.

lusty grotto
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i have exp with vdh

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its my go to tank alt

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warrior is not easier than vdh

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trust me

oblique drift
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I think I have more fun overall on blood DK still, but prot warrior is fun too.

lusty grotto
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BDK is the one class i never play so idk

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ive been warrior main since vanilla

oblique drift
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I just like the amount of control you have over runs as blood DK.

lusty grotto
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and the only tank alt that i consistently play has been VDH

oblique drift
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for M+ specifically

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I don't know anything about modern raid tanking

lusty grotto
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shrug

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BDK never appealed to me

sleek current
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Same.

lusty grotto
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i got the mage tower shit on all tanks and thats the one of the ones i absolutely hated the playstyle of

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back in legion i mean

oblique drift
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The main weakness bdk has is how rippy high keys can be

lusty grotto
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close second were prot pally and guardian

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but...

oblique drift
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I do not like guardian at all

lusty grotto
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prot pally was kinda fun during pre patch ngl

sleek current
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Where do you feel Warrior is lacking in control?

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I feel like I have a lot.

lusty grotto
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i think he means grip

oblique drift
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It's not that it is lacking necessarily, but BDK does just have more control over the success of a run I think with things like gorefiend's and the b rez

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and yes just the basic grip

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clutch b rez is not to be underestimated on a tank

lusty grotto
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which honestly doesnt matter because LoSing has been a thing shrug

oblique drift
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there are plenty of times when it still matters

lusty grotto
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brez easily replaceable by engineering

oblique drift
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like when a dps pulls a pat group or something

sleek current
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You can charge them. 😄

oblique drift
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sure, gorefiend's is just easier and more immediate

sleek current
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ZOOOOOOM

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lusty grotto
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if a dps pulls a pat... that's not a good key

oblique drift
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yes, well, most pug groups are not good

lusty grotto
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i feel that's entirely a different problem

lofty beacon
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Thank you for the answers

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it's rough tanking for pugs early on because you have people doing some weird shit in dungeons

lusty grotto
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its not rough at all, just pull everything and if you die then go smaller

oblique drift
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very much true, and also learning the routes with new dungeons

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I feel like we play very different games Nim lol

lofty beacon
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it's rough when people run ahead and taunt stuff on classes with taunts

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then die alone like 2 packs up

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or when a dps single targets something in a corner

lusty grotto
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if they taunt

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they can die

lofty beacon
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yeah i let them die

lusty grotto
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i mean you cant keep taunting back there's DR

lofty beacon
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still doesn't make it enjoyable

lusty grotto
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this isnt about tank ego either

sleek current
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I've never had that happen in a dungeon. Where are you finding these people?

oblique drift
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it happens quite often with hunter pets

sleek current
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It gets auto-disabled in dungeons though

lusty grotto
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then their pets die

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its not a big deal

lofty beacon
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i pugged last night with two friends and one random guy kept running ahead and growling in bear form

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it was very weird

loud patrol
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let him die

oblique drift
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I don't really have a problem with the taunting, it's more the random pulling

dire tulip
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What do armor spikes do and do they stack?

lofty beacon
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i did let him die

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again that doesn't make it fun

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random pulling is frustrating too

lusty grotto
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well it is what it is, but that sounds like just random normals or heroics tbh

sleek current
lofty beacon
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I am just trying to make sure I am doing the best i can and it's hard as a newer tank to know if it's me or not

lusty grotto
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idk it sounds fun staring at him struggling with a pack

sleek current
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What they do... No idea

oblique drift
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I'd say that 50% of my M0 groups were like that

sleek current
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Probably reflect or produce damage when you get attacked.

lusty grotto
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m0 is basically heroic with epic loot

loud patrol
lusty grotto
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🤷

dire tulip
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I am thinking of putting one on my first 384 which is a shield.

oblique drift
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Sure, but that's just in terms of DF content so far

lofty beacon
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i think i just gotta get comfier and that's all

dire tulip
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Or I can take the protector of the hearth shield

oblique drift
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It happened in key pugs all the time in SL

sleek current
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I can't find anything about it online, no comments on WoWHead, so I would avoid for the time being.

lofty beacon
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so i can not feel sadge if someone dies or take it personally lol

lusty grotto
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my dude

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if it happens in key pugs

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the key is probably dead

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just leave group and try again

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its really no big deal

oblique drift
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you can salvage keys much easier as bdk than as prot warr in my personal experience

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which was my original point about control

lusty grotto
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the key isnt your responsability if people pull random shit

lofty beacon
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i feel like i have decent control on vdh

lusty grotto
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you tank whatever is pulled, if you wipe, its not your fault

oblique drift
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of course not, but I don't have unlimited time to play, so timing is always a priority

lusty grotto
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ok then so leave and get into another group

oblique drift
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All I'm saying is that I think BDK can salvage situations that prot would not always be able to, or at least BDK can in an easier way

lusty grotto
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like listenm

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during pre patch i can see how this was happening in keys cause people were like YOLO new talents

oblique drift
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in organized play prot is probably better (certainly right now it is anyway)

lusty grotto
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but all during s1 and s4, i can count with my hand the people fucking up with noob shit from 15 to 24

lofty beacon
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I think I am used to ffxiv threat

lusty grotto
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anything lower than 15, it's yolo land as well

lofty beacon
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and that's part of it maybe?

sleek current
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FFXIV has the same people doing the same stupid stuff. Lol

lusty grotto
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i mean you wall to wall in xiv

lofty beacon
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i do wall to wall in ffxiv

lusty grotto
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and literally the same shit happens if you dont wall to wall

oblique drift
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Season 1 in DF is going to be a very different experience than season 1 in SL I think, but that remains to be seen really

lofty beacon
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and as war i just chill

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but threat is different

lusty grotto
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people still pull when youre wall to walling though

oblique drift
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I liked playing Paladin back in Heavensward

lofty beacon
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yeah they do

lusty grotto
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its just that ranged attacks there do so much emnity

lofty beacon
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but its like one of ANY attack to pull them back to me

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just gotta get used to it

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but also accept that people are bad

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and let them die if they pull alone in a corner lol

lusty grotto
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ilvl affects a lot more threat here than it does emnity in xiv

lofty beacon
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nutty that someone would taunt packs during dungeons though when you're actively fighting them

oblique drift
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side question - are the recipes for the 282 plate chests accessible yet?

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er 382

lofty beacon
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ah yeah i noticed it's a lot better with higher ilvl

lusty grotto
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they are if you spec it

loud patrol
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if they dont listen leave

lusty grotto
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i mean, if its a normal or heroic it doesnt matter

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its just a normal or heroic

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same with m0

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if its a key though, then just leave if its affecting the timer

oblique drift
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I do think DPS have a tendency to blow their load a fraction of a second into a pull

lusty grotto
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if its not then just tank what they pull to your best ability

loud patrol
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a problem when im mass pulling

lusty grotto
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bad dps you mean

lofty beacon
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it's a bit odd

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thanks Nimchip

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❤️

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i feel better about internally bashing them lmao

lusty grotto
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doubles/triples that are usually done, then yes i expect dps to blow their load

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like lets say gambit left pull

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you can either double or quadruple pull that

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you lust it

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if i see ONE single DPS not burning a CD on those pulls

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i get upset

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this is just an example

oblique drift
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the problem is when they funnel into some random target and rip aggro from you, which I have happen quite often in big pulls

lusty grotto
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when they body pull

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you mean

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cause it happens

oblique drift
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body pull?

lusty grotto
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like having 0 awareness

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and getting too close to something that should be skipped

oblique drift
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oh yeah, just firing blindly at a random target

loud patrol
lusty grotto
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hence body pulling

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i mean if they are randomly tabbing to targets

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they probably do not deserve a timer done

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more than once i mean

oblique drift
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one shield slam is usually enough to pull aggro back yeah

lusty grotto
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i dont think control is the problem there

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the biggest problem with pulling randoms is routes get fucked

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and you can either be underpulled or overpulled resulting on a bad timer

oblique drift
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that's certainly another issue, and it does happen quite often in pugs

lusty grotto
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i dont think control has ever been something ive thought about on those scenarios

oblique drift
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well no, things like that are outside of your control

lusty grotto
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i cant play others people's characters

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yeah

oblique drift
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I'm looking at it from a way to optimize my own time

lusty grotto
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its a team effort

oblique drift
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and to that extent I found (at least in the past) BDK to be a safer bet

lusty grotto
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if one part of the team is working against it, then you cant really help it

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outside of mentioning it i mean

lofty beacon
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bdk is rough for pug healers, no?

oblique drift
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It's usually not too hard to carry one bad DPS if the rest of the group is good, unless you are in a pretty high key, but then bad dps don't make it that far

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BDK is generally self sufficient

loud patrol
lusty grotto
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idk ive just never had an issue where i thought BDK would be better to salvage a run

lofty beacon
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that's just what i've read, i don't heal lol

lusty grotto
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or rather i mean grip

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outside of sanguine perhaps

oblique drift
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It can be annoying to healers if they aren't familiar with how BDK works I guess

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Early on in SL it was sorta a problem, because BDK was quite unpopular

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but this changed over the xpac as BDK became stronger and therefore more commonly seen

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But really healers and BDKs don't interact much lmao

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mechanically I mean

loud patrol
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i hate sanguine

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it means i gotta move more

oblique drift
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I have no idea how that water slip-n-slide hallway in halls of infusion is going to work with certain affixes

loud patrol
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it doesnt

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that hallway by itself is pain

oblique drift
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I feel like it is going to have to be changed in season 2 when it becomes part of the rotation

lusty grotto
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well first of all HoI isnt in the dungeon pool in s1

oblique drift
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I know that, that's why I said season 2

loud patrol
oblique drift
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exactly 😭

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I forgot shadowmoon burial grounds was a dungeon until I saw it as part of season 1

loud patrol
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i actually never did that dungeon

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that or i don remember a thing

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is it bad?

lusty grotto
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its not bad

oblique drift
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the last boss is actually kinda cool

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it's just sorta unremarkable I think

lusty grotto
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but i saw the mobs before Nerzhul in beta were giga fucking trucks

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pretty sure they got nerfed

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but we will see

oblique drift
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yeah I think jade serpent was nerfed a bunch too

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as well as halls of valor

swift pier
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yo whats best stats? if ilvl is same

loud patrol
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i remember failing a bunch of +10 halls in beta

lusty grotto
oblique drift
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how much are people paying for armor commissions with the work order system?

swift pier
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oh shit good stuff here

oblique drift
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like the tip amount

swift pier
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ty

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@lusty grotto

lusty grotto
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i dont think you should expect to make bank from it

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if that's what youre asking

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at least not righ tnow

oblique drift
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I more meant how much should I put down if I want someone to make me a chest piece

lusty grotto
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maybe later on

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idk

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1g maybe

oblique drift
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lol

lusty grotto
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you have to realize crafters dont really give anything in for public crafting orders

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if anything they will be looking to do the commission quest

oblique drift
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true

lusty grotto
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so donation really doesnt matter

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id say commission WILL matter if there's a million orders up

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cause then crafters will just choose whatever pays the most for their week's 20s

loud patrol
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i gave a 2k tip for my shield

oblique drift
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related to crafting - is spamming dungeons the best way to get primal chaos?

loud patrol
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ye

balmy canyon
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Anyone have an idea which is better?

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loud patrol
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ill go with the haste

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also extra avoidance

oblique drift
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the rich get richer 😭

balmy canyon
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but no strength on it

loud patrol
oblique drift
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I meant the fact he had both of those weapons haha

loud patrol
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spend it to learn heb and mining

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im sitting in 500k right now

vestal moat
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What is the best crafted shield right now? I've seen the 392 crit haste one and the 285 one with the absorb proc.

lethal pecan
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Hey for leveling 60-70 questing, prot vs fury in terms of speed/convenience?

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with no gear

wary heath
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prot was fine, i one shot all the mobs and took 0 damage. they dumbed it down

lusty grotto
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prot leveling has been a thing since legion

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0 reason to go dps as a prot main for leveling

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if youre a dps main then go dps

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it doesnt matter really

urban portal
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not like you need it

hot maple
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One for ST one for trash?

hexed snow
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I crafted boots for someone yesterday and he payed 8k for that xD

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Was an public order

outer thorn
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as a protection warrior, what tools do you have to displace mobs other than intimidating shout with Menace talent and BFA engineering belt tinker?

hushed cobalt
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Shockwave + leap

lusty grotto
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find a wall and LoS

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or a corner rather

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its that and engi tinker (im guessing thats the knockback one)

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i wouldnt rely on intim shout

outer thorn
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ye the intim one is weird since you need a target near the targets you wanna knockback

lusty grotto
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yeah idk maybe it does have its uses

outer thorn
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there are so many mobs in DF that just stand around and cast some random shit that are tricky to group up properly, not to many walls in nokhuld first area either, that pull in particular I always end up with one of the archers outside the rest of the pack

lusty grotto
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hmm but first area you jsut clear around ballistas

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they should be grouped up already

outer thorn
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the bonetossers in neltharius too, and the gnolls that cast something in bracken but when you kick them they start casting another uninterruptable cast instead and refuse to move

lusty grotto
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lots of corners in neltharius

outer thorn
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yes but they dont follow me if they can see another player who is not in the corner, same with the rock throwers in ulda

lusty grotto
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bracken can be tricky

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yeah i get what youre saying

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in pugs its rough

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i just yell at my team to LoS

outer thorn
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I always try to put a world marker in pugs where I want people to stand, I should get an X marker too to put on a person who is standing where i DONT want people to stand maybe

wary heath
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did they stealth nerf cobalt rep drops. getting barely any 15 reps, and the blue reps are only giving me 30

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before i picked up the 30% buff, i was getting 100s

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bad luck maybe

lusty grotto
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they didnt stealth nerf

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they nerfed

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it was announced

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but it was more for orbs tbh

wary heath
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hence the words stealth nerf haha

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just seems slower all of the sudden

lusty grotto
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either way i went from low to high in like an hour

wary heath
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weird

lusty grotto
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2 hours ago

wary heath
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maybe it's cause azure vault is collapsing from lag, seems slower

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azure span*

lusty grotto
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it gets lagged as fuck if theres a community feast running

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because small indie company

eager thistle
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Hi, got a question. I am fairly new to warrior tanking, and I found this on a wowhead guide. It says this about shield block: 'Maintaining 100% Shield Block uptime while tanking is priority #1'.

How do I keep it 100% uptime? Mine lasts 6 seconds and it takes longer than that to recharge. And if I use it before the first recharge, the second time makes it go onto an even longer cooldown.

sleek current
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The WoWHead guide has likely suggested you take Heavy Repercussions and Enduring Defenses. You should be getting 8 second shield block and 1 second added when Shield slamming.

pallid quiver
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well if you're not level cap, don't worry about that

And if you are, you should be using Enduring Defenses

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which makes it base last 8 seconds, for starters

sleek current
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Additionally reprisal from Shield Charge.

wary heath
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let shadowlands die, don't say reprisal

eager thistle
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Thank you, I will look into it when I get a chance. I know sometimes my shield slam will get a reset on its cooldown. If that happens and I use it again, will it add another additional second to shield block as well? Or is the add 1 second a one time per activation of the shield block skill?

pallid quiver
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Anytime you shield slam, HR extends

eager thistle
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oh awesome

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ah i found it. The build I am using, has me taking into the fray instead of heavy repercussions

lusty grotto
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which can be checked reliably with logs

eager thistle
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right, so like it said. if a boss is doing some channel dont use it and what not right?

lusty grotto
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if youre looking at details you won't get a clear picture

eager thistle
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or dont use it when hiding behind a corner waiting for the mobs to get to me

lusty grotto
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channel, spell, etc

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yea

novel temple
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But also, right now it’s super easy to maintain 100% uptime flat without much haste

lusty grotto
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or use it when mobs are all casters

lusty grotto
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and cant reliably be at 5 stacks

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swap it for HR

eager thistle
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ah ok, i just found the m+ build and was using it for doing heroics lol

lusty grotto
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ITF works if you have 5 buddies/pets/mobs close around you, its not as impactful otherwise

eager thistle
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got it. and in a LFG heroic, thats near impossible since everyone just runs around doing their own thing lol

lusty grotto
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right

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even in keys its impossible if youre not pulling sizeable amounts and have a good number of melee

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and/or melee pets

eager thistle
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ahh that makes sense. Cant have casters standing with you lol

lusty grotto
#

cause imps do count iirc, its just they stay the fuck away usually

#

i mean casters can stand next to you, its just they usually dont

eager thistle
#

if it was me, id be there with the tank lol. Thats why i quit playing a warlock. Id end up hittin stuff with my staff forgetting to cast spells haha

#

well off to bed, thank you for the help/info

acoustic fjord
#

is it me or does ravager not do good damage?

#

health bars dont move when I use it

lusty grotto
#

its just you

blazing condor
#

It at least give good rage

acoustic fjord
#

true

lusty tiger
#

ravager is v threatening

acoustic fjord
#

to paper maybe

ionic fern
acoustic fjord
#

But

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But

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It doesn't even hurt open world mobs :(

covert palm
#

I played all tanks on beta in m+, but didnt spend more than one dungeon on warrior because i didnt see the point, it didnt take damage and would get nerfed so I would try it after the nerf. Here we are 7 weeks later and it still doesnt take damage and I will main it but still expect tankiness nerfs during content release. What is the expectation here?

jagged pier
#

of course your not gunna take damage theres no content that does any damage atm

covert palm
#

Im refering to beta m+

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Small buffs to other tanks, but no real changes to prot warr

blazing condor
#

idk i personally dont see pwarr ever being bad even with nerfs

#

just from how we work

jagged pier
#

we got nerfed 3 times

blazing condor
#

theyd need to really nerf core things about our playstyle for it to happen

jagged pier
#

we received more tuning that any other tank

lyric geode
#

OMFG, I can pull the entire dungeon and survive.

blazing condor
lyric geode
#

To be fair, protection warrior isnt overpowered.

storm shell
#

maybe it is for you yep

solar blade
icy citrus
#

so we'll play Fueled by Violence now?

limpid anchor
#

Even on beta, only one who took dmg was brew, but they did a shit ton more dps than any other tank

#

I doubt we get a tankyness nerf, considering our dps sucks compared to others

solar blade
#

huh? our dmg sucks?Armsowns

limpid anchor
#

Compared to others, yes

solar blade
#

compared to vdh,guardian and brew you mean?

limpid anchor
#

And bdk

solar blade
#

yeah that ones for sure hahah

visual wedge
#

I still out DPS the dps in pulls so idk dps is grand :P

solar blade
limpid anchor
#

Bcs people suck, pwar pull is really strong

solar blade
#

i dont have a single problem outdpsing bad dps but ceah ass hamy said ppl suck for thr most part

limpid anchor
#

And mobs die so quickly and our dps is frontloaded

solar blade
#

yes indeed dmg profile matters

#

tho in higher keys youll also get more avatars and demos out so itll be fine imo

limpid anchor
#

And prob less time in bstance

solar blade
#

at the end of the day dps also have a job, we just set groups up to be nuked down

limpid anchor
#

I’m still not sure if pwar is tuned around dstance being a cd or not

solar blade
#

tuned around bstance ive heard

#

ohh a cd or not

limpid anchor
#

Well, a cd without cd

solar blade
#

well i think theyd still presume we are in bstance for our cds

covert palm
# limpid anchor None of the tanks take damage

On beta, with the exception of blood dk who are strong and independent, yet spiky, the tanks still need quite a bit of external healing, where as warrior is like #5 on healing taken from the healer

solar blade
#

yeah we have a lot of heals

limpid anchor
#

On bdk and Vdh i didn’t need any heal in +15s, on bear neither on +12s. Didn’t play brew

#

I would assume brew was #1

solar blade
#

bdk>pal>brew>bear? for selfhealing is my guess

limpid anchor
#

What I noticed more is that I get unnecessary heals because I’m not 100% hp all the time compared to war, where I’m constantly above 90 or so

solar blade
#

brew has to be played insanely well to perform the same as other tanks with its 30 buttons hahah

lyric geode
#

I have a m0 run when I received 4%

#

kewk

limpid anchor
#

Also on live rn, people try to top my bdk and just overheal and waste mana

solar blade
#

dont worry about them

#

a good heal will have your victory rush and cds portraited with ability team tracker or such

#

same goes for bdk as a good heal tracks runepower and/or deathstrike cd

limpid anchor
#

That’s kinda the point

warm plinth
#

death strike doesn't have a cd

lyric geode
#

also the amount of leech we have is disgusting

warm plinth
#

someone's been playing wrath :p

limpid anchor
#

I received more heals on other tanks than war, bcs the heals sucked

#

Not bcs the other tanks needed it

lyric geode
#

rend plus ravager plus roar.

covert palm
solar blade
#

@warm plinth last time ive played bdk was in cata so shame on me hahahokayge

covert palm
#

Sitting in battle stance etc

lyric geode
#

I change battle stance to defensive stance when I pull 5 packs at the same time

solar blade
limpid anchor
#

Well I mean in general, if I do go into a pull that’s more intense, I pop wall and heal after with rush, so my hp isn’t as wonky compared to vdh and bdk

lyric geode
#

Dude, I believe that leech is so overpowered stat.

#

If you can stack it

solar blade
limpid anchor
#

Yes

#

Ofc there are pulls were we drop more

#

But generally our hp is more steady

#

So we don’t get heal spikes from heals

#

Making us take less heal overall

lyric geode
#

exaclty

solar blade
#

cuz i dont need wall in an m0 thats for sure hahha (im muscle memoring it on boss mechanics atm)

solar blade
limpid anchor
#

On my bdk I drop to 20% and heals panic, but I’m max hp in the next gcd anyway

solar blade
#

glad ive got my friens playing heal

lyric geode
#

Dude, I was having an arguement with my friend healer that I pull too many. I almost unfriend him

patent quiver
#

Good healers will have a runic power tracker especially when BDK is meta

lyric geode
#

He almost unfriend me***

patent quiver
#

and not heal you when you have full RP

solar blade
#

teach him or unfriend haha

limpid anchor
#

People don’t like pulling much atm it seems

patent quiver
solar blade
#

thats crazy cuz mine pull extra hahah

lyric geode
#

Usually it is my other friends yelling at me to pull more in SL m+

#

now it is the opposite...

solar blade
#

cuz they suck at cc maybe??

lyric geode
#

They indeed suck at cc

solar blade
#

cc enables dmg, thats what most dont get right

#

i give you an example

patent quiver
#

We are using the m0s to see what's reasonably manageable

lyric geode
#

Even in 20s people dont cc

solar blade
#

an ele shaman not setting stun totem in pull

limpid anchor
#

*any shaman

solar blade
#

true hamy

#

sad but true

patent quiver
#

There's some pulls that are super shitty in m0s because they have like 30 casters or a ton of random mechanics/group damage

limpid anchor
#

Tbf i forget it on my enh all the time :D

patent quiver
#

and if we try to triple them in m0 and it's shitty we know we probably can't do that in keys when they go up

solar blade
#

happy we got so much control for packs with shockwave stormbolt and sc

lyric geode
#

The sad thing is now the casters dont focus you. Instead it is pretty random who is getting targeted

solar blade
limpid anchor
solar blade
#

that would be us

limpid anchor
#

Like the ones in uldaman

patent quiver
#

Yeah those are mostly what I'm talking about

solar blade
patent quiver
#

if we can get the mobs grouped and they're stunnable a double/triple pull is doable

lyric geode
patent quiver
lyric geode
lyric geode
solar blade
limpid anchor
#

Or have an unavoidable aoe like the storm guys in ruby and thunderclaps in uldaman

#

Unless I’m missing something

lyric geode
#

Also, there is a nasty cast on offensive when the spell can stun you.

solar blade
limpid anchor
patent quiver
#

Yeah, I know we say this every expac and then find a way to make it work anyways but it definitely seems like they have put in an effort to make it really hard to do big pulls

lyric geode
patent quiver
#

Mobs with tons of unavoidable group damage are the prime candidates

solar blade
lyric geode
#

Tank dmg taken is neglible

#

However dd dmg taken is so much

limpid anchor
#

Most of it is avoidable tho

solar blade
#

2 channels if i remember, the other one looks like an explo orb

patent quiver
#

Yeah most of it is but there are some that are just straight HPS checks

#

and those you can obv only pull so many of before it's impossible for your healer to keep up

lyric geode
#

IT cant be healed.

#

It needs strong cc

#

It honestly is a roadblock

solar blade
#

yep..thats why we rely so much on kicks and stuns from our mates (pwarr or not)

patent quiver
#

ofc

solar blade
#

gotta play with premate that understand cc this expansion i feel

patent quiver
#

Once these dungeons are learned it'll be doable, this is how every expac goes

solar blade
#

right, like neltarus endboss hahah

lyric geode
patent quiver
#

Haven't done m0 Neltharus yet we are doing our other 4 tonight

#

but the last boss of Azure Vaults was a bitch

lyric geode
#

quite easy

solar blade
#

beware endboss

patent quiver
#

with DH Rogue as 2 of our DPS

#

lol

#

DH Blade Dance gives them stacks of the slow

#

it's pretty cringe

solar blade
#

azure vaults endboss is cracked, hate the pillars

solar blade
lyric geode
#

We didnt even know the mechanic and we yolo it ( All dungeons)

solar blade
#

leap gives you 2 stacks at max range

patent quiver
#

Yeah that's what we're doing too, I was the only one that had beta out of our group and I only did 3-4 keys on it

solar blade
patent quiver
#

so we are just full yolo

#

but we did wipe to the last boss of Vaults once

#

lol

solar blade
#

man the times we live in are crazy, might also just be a crazy mofo

lyric geode
#

Dude, On the last boss of neltharus. I saw it dropped coins. Because I am in such broke state. I tried to loot in the middle of the fight, only to be disappointed it wasnt gold coins.

solar blade
#

did the boss like 3 times because people did not get that they could pick up the coinpiles before the boss even uses his shieldokayge

#

but that phase is just asking you to use commanding shout👍

sick sentinel
#

For mythics are you guys Roar and the 15% bleed or shockwave?

lyric geode
#

roar

open gazelle
#

Finally 380 ilvl

#

Tbh I need to take note on which bosses summon adds so I can save roar and ravager for those times

coral marsh
#

I have a question. Can you unlock the warglaive transmog of Wrathion even if you aren't a demonhunter and the ensemble of sabellian even if you aren't a cloth wearer? Not sure what would be better to take on warrior.

#

dont want to farm rep for a faction that i cant even unlock everything on

deft vessel
keen roost
deft vessel
#

not sure if dropping the sidearm procs and replacing it with cd on the roar is better

cobalt seal
#

You cant

#

You only have 11 points after 20 gate

deft vessel
#

oh rip you're right

cobalt seal
#

You already using the 11

deft vessel
#

then yeah, I think this is probably what I'll run for now, it's really a choice between roar CD and the aoe stun (at all)

open gazelle
#

Ewww 30 rage revenge

#

Feels clunky to me

deft vessel
#

I find myself with an abundance of rage at all times, so I'm a fan

#

I also run shield charge (with champion's bulwark), and ravager, and booming voice, so really, overabundance of rage

open gazelle
#

I’m thinking higher keys I don’t think it will be a good talent pick, need to spend rage more on IP refreshes

deft vessel
#

that's fair, I'll see when we get there

open gazelle
#

I feel I do enough aoe damn without it

oak zephyr
#

anyone knows why this macro doesnt work?
/cast [mod:alt] Storm bolt; Shockwave

open gazelle
#

And UF clap revenge combo feels better/ more longevity to it

deft vessel
#

sure, but defensiveness is the thing that has diminishing returns, damage does not

#

so it's a matter of figuring out where's the point of "just enough defense"

deft vessel
#

but I don't use that type of macro so not sure honestly

cobalt seal
solid granite
#

Do you guys & gals feel like 'we' need defensive trinkets? It's hard to tell right now, since nothing really does damage

cobalt seal
#

Literally the 5 lines before

solid granite
#

And UF clap revenge combo feels better/ more longevity to it 5 lines before 😛

cobalt seal
#

Count again

solid granite
#

nevermind, i'll ask later again

cobalt seal
#

And the answer depends on how you play

#

Some people might need earlier than others

#

Sense might need at 25s

#

I would peob need at 20s

solid granite
#

It doesn't answer my question, in my opinion. I don't ask for 'now', i asked for the future (although i could've been more precise). And since people have been doing Keys & raid on beta, a bit of insight could help

cobalt seal
#

And the answer is for the future

#

It depends on player skill

#

I could tell you dont need anything for 20s

#

Then you go and have problems

#

Or you dont and i was right by pure luck

karmic plinth
#

you probably dont need them for the majority of content but u might wanna have that safety blanket for if u fuck up / something to help enable more comfort on dangerous parts

open gazelle
#

How did y’all farm cobalt rep so fast even after the nerf? I feel like it’s taking me forever

solid granite
quartz jackal
#

Guys is there any weakaura or extra addon for MDT that shows what you should pull on the nameplates of the mobs? Just started tanking so i wanna get a hang of the routes, i know i wont need it in the future but just in the meanwhile

solid granite
#

at 2/5 Rep, you can chose a talent that gives you +30% more rep

#

took me an hour to get from 2/5 to 4/5

open gazelle
#

I have that, still the rep drops seem few and far inbetween

#

I just got 2/5 but even that seemed like it was two hours

cobalt seal
#

Get a empty shard

#

Enjoy

open gazelle
#

So a 6 hour grind altogether maybe? Idk how nimchip said he did it all in an hour

marble cipher
#

6?
Nah, I did it post "drop" nerf, and took like little over an hour

solid granite
#

The boss also drops rep, so kill it whenever it is up

cobalt seal
#

I had someone in private discord do it in less than 1h30

#

So no idea where that 6h came from

open gazelle
#

How tf??? Any tips?

cobalt seal
#

Get a empty shard

#

Enjoy

#

Kill stuff

solid granite
#

empty shard, mass pulls & kill the boss every now an then

open gazelle
#

Okay I’ll try

solid granite
#

And use the bomb elementals to kill other trash

marble cipher
#

if you have an empty (or close to empty) shard, make sure to visit the circled spot, many mobs there, and often groups don't go there

cobalt seal
#

Yeah

#

That place is really good

marble cipher
#

I just went there, cleared all, then flew to main area to kill while waiting for respawns

broken crater
visual wedge
ripe cave
#

Is it normal to have a world quest give a 2hd when my loot pref is set to protection 😦

static aspen
#

Yes

glacial skiff
#

Should you be exclusively using troar during demo shout?

#

I'd think you'd wanna use it with avatar, but not sure if demo should be prioirtized as well

cobalt seal
#

You use cds on cd unless something is coming up in next 5s

#

That would boost the dmg

glacial skiff
#

i'd think you'd wanna hold shield charge for demo though

#

being its our hardest hitting ability by miles

cobalt seal
#

No hold

#

If you hold 3 times in 5

#

You might lose 1 use

#

And that use is better than lining cds

vale sorrel
#

execute questions boys - if were in execute phase with no major damage incoming is it better to re up shield block for shield slam damage or use that extra rage for juicier executes (single target ofc)

quartz jackal
#

execute

lean gale
#

Hello guys! Will darkmoon trinkets be good for us

strong forum
#

no the darkmoon trinkets are shit

strong forum
proven tundra
#

line 2 of the opener guide on wowhead says "Use Avatar, Taunt, and Shield Block before you are in melee range."
how important is taunt here? i dont think i can pull this off without significantly changing my keybinds (during a charge)

ripe cave
#

I dont think the taunt is massively important personally. But it depends.

The taunt probably doesnt need to happen immediately.

upper hollow
#

sry guys, a decent gear level to start tanking M0?

solar blade
#

taunt is off gcd so you can always taunt

glacial skiff
#

310-320 is more than fine

open gazelle
#

In packs of mob i just aoe my in and save taunt if something gets away from me

proven tundra
#

i simply mean the binds are too awkward to hit 4 different binds before charge lands

cobalt seal
open gazelle
#

My way in

proven tundra
#

thanks bozo

ocean finch
#

How do you farm Primal Chaos the fastest?

wide charm
proven tundra
wide charm
#

you might have to press it twice tho

proven tundra
#

yeah i do but its good. charge > macro > macro > demo shout is doable

strong forum
#

there are way too many tanks out there who taunt use taunt when they pull a boss

granite anvil
#

I guess that’s different on a raidboss where those pyros are already in the air on 1 and M+ where you likely are a global ahead anyway

small coral
#

haste/master or crit/vers neck?

vale sorrel
#

#showtooltip
/cast Avatar
/cast Thunderous Roar
/cast {@heavy mirage]Ravager

#

Any way to get that to work?

floral basin
#

how fast is it to get to valdrakken renown 22 for the helm?

spring holly
#

@vale sorrel I don't think that can work because you have two abilities on the gcd in that macro

vale sorrel
#

could you do a cast seq for those 2?

cobalt seal
#

Stop pinging @slow bay

spring holly
#

gonna change my name to "Cursor" in the WA discord and roll in pings

#

and not 100% sure about castsequence the avatar might throw it off but I think that might actually work. Not sure you want avatar in there though as the avatar CD is way faster than TR and ravager

ocean prairie
#

Do we never think about show of force in our rotation? I mean do we ever use Revenge before Thunder clap to boost it?

strong forum
cobalt seal
#

Feeling

#

Yuk

lyric geode
#

Critical is also a good option given how good our leech is

static aspen
#

is there a flying path toy for dragonflight for alts?

sturdy sable
#

No but the glyph unlocks are account wide

static aspen
#

yes, but thats the dragopn with limited fuel

#

ok i understand

cobalt seal
#

If you unlock everything

#

You can go from 1 side to the other without landing

#

Ever

static aspen
#

i can talk to flying master and go watch birds on the street. with dragon i have to do something

cobalt seal
#

Not really

#

Get high enough

static aspen
#

already high af

cobalt seal
#

You can still afk in the dragon

#

...

static aspen
#

isnt like it lands if i dont do shit ?

cobalt seal
#

No?

#

If i get high enough altitude

#

And point towards where i want to go

#

I can afk

#

For like 2m

#

Before i end up dead to fatigue

#

2m might be a bit too much

#

Its more like 5 from 1 corner to the other

blazing condor
#

the integrated primal fire trinket hurts like a truck and for what

#

crit 200k just like that

slim dove
#

which trinket?

blazing condor
blazing condor
slim dove
#

Oh that one

#

yeesh

blazing condor
#

i mean im sure its not good but im still not 70

#

either way it one shots 200k hp mobs so

#

im not complaining

cobalt seal
#

Its good

#

Really good for st

strong forum
#

its literally one of the best trinkets in the game

blazing condor
#

o

#

well then

#

i mean yeah it seems stupid op

#

just weird that its a random ass low ilvl trinket

strong forum
#

it does as much dmg as the 424 raid bis

slim dove
#

nerfed on day1 i bet.

blazing condor
#

why does this always happen

strong forum
#

thats what happens if you barely do testing on beta

#

and let players only play with raid/dungeon trinkets

blazing condor
#

idk who saw this and thought it was fine to begin with

#

just reading the trinket

#

you can tell

karmic plinth
#

where is this demonic trinket from

slim dove
#

some rare in azure span i think

strong forum
#

rare

blazing condor
#

a random fire elemental in azre span

slim dove
#

but its a 1 time drop i think? could be wrong

lunar slate
#

I am trying to make a marco with Shield Charge and Charge in 1 button. Kinda like Intervene + charge in 1 button. Anyone have any macro suggestion or is the general idea not really good ? 🙂

strong forum
#

not good

karmic plinth
#

it is a bad idea

lyric geode
#

how it is a bad idea?

karmic plinth
#

only one will go off but both will go on cd

lunar slate
lyric geode
#

ah yes

sage granite
#

Yeah so you just put shield charge first

strong forum
#

you dont want SC to be used first tho

ocean finch
#

You wanna line dmg buffs with SC

karmic plinth
#

charge will cancel out shield charge

ocean finch
#

It does more then just a charge

sage granite
#

True which is why I wouldn’t do this but you can do it

ocean finch
#

You can do alot of stuff, doesnt mean they are good?

lunar slate
#

thanks for the quick reply btw 🙂

sage granite
#

If someone is looking to reduce buttons or something it can be done. Not everyone is here trying to time 25s

ocean finch
#

Then you can macro Last Stand and Shield Wall as a panic button aswell

spring holly
#

anyone also play guardian druid? It's crazy the difference in talent trees. Prot warrior feels so fun with new abilities and impactful talents. Guardian feels straight up like they went through pruning. And it's not like guardian was known for being complex...

ocean finch
#

Wont be good, but you reduce buttons

cobalt seal
strong forum
#

yes warrior has in general the best talent tree in the game

cobalt seal
#

What does that have to do with keys done

sage fable
#

Might be off topic for this room but has anyone had issues with the Dungeon Hero meta achievement for the snail mount Shelleck? My team has every achievement except for the one in Uldaman. You can’t miss a single orb stack and it appears to be damn near impossible… too many orbs by the second intermission.

Relevance? I main a prot warrior 😂

cobalt seal
#

Just kill the boss faster

sage fable
#

But honestly… I think you’re right. However that requires 175K dps for the entire group.

spring holly
#

unironically that might be the answer. Just wait for raid gear to do it.

sage fable
#

If you want to kill before second intermission.

#

I wanted that mount week 1. Super bummed that I’m gated by an extreme DPS check.

cobalt seal
#

That or try to stack everyone

#

Assuming you talking about last boss

floral basin
#

Any easy replace to get for helm/chest/waist/boots? 😦

image.png
open gazelle
#

Cobalt dps ring and fire trinket from azure spam should do it

slim dove
open gazelle
#

Pvp gear

#

Yes

floral basin
#

its quick to get?

open gazelle
#

War mode on

#

Do the pvp world quest

serene ginkgo
#

this any good for tanking?

image.png
spring holly
#

I dunno someone told all tanks want BSS?

floral basin
#

nvm found it

open gazelle
#

Or craft a piece of spark gear

weak snow
#

i just got the crafting recipe for the Shield of the Hearth, worth while? verse proc but the secondary stats are ass

floral basin
#

btw I have a dragon shard of knowledge is it good?

weak snow
sage fable
#

Just west of it in a cave

floral basin
#

since income is bad anyway

sage fable
#

Up to you! I went alchemy/engineering and my alt has herb and mining.

#

Dumped 40 points into engineering for S.A.V.I.O.R.

open gazelle
spring holly
#

herb/mining is actually a decent pace for levelling an alt and the obvious benefit is you get to go from 60-70 just farming

floral basin
drifting socket
#

@strong forum that ignore pain bug with the talent, has it been confirmed it's a bug and not intended?

spring holly
#

what's teh bug?

drifting socket
#

if you hit your ignore pain cap then brutal vitality stops working

mellow quartz
#

Pins

drifting socket
open gazelle
spring holly
#

I think he meant me lol

mellow quartz
drifting socket
bleak scroll
#

What embelishments do you guys plan on running? I was thinking the Armour Spikes + something else.

floral basin
lyric geode
#

Guys I have done every content in dragonflight?

mellow quartz
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And blizzard has never mentioned the bug

cobalt seal
lyric geode
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I mean, I have done all quests, all little expenditions etc. What is left

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no

sage fable
mellow quartz
lyric geode
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15

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15,14,12,16

open gazelle
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You’re pretty good, go touch grass now you’ve earned it

lyric geode
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I have done all expendition flags

strong forum
lyric geode
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I cant increase my enchant skill because mats are expensive af

strong forum
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having a thing to stop working when you reach max until you lose the buff again is a bit weird

tender cove
drifting socket
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does the bug persist

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if you refresh ignore pain

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or does ignore pain have to completely fall off

open gazelle
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Rextroy fixed unnerving focus he can fix this too

echo elk
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not sure if lucky or not

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but i am only getting weapons ....

mellow quartz
open gazelle
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If only one handed fury could wield 4 weapons

mellow quartz
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Many bug fixes get rolled out without any comments whatsoever.

slim dove
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is Gral's discarded tooth just a WQ drop?

strong forum
drifting socket
ancient cosmos
# echo elk

Wish we could meet in the middle. I got all the M0 shields, 0 weapons

rugged mural
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Anyone have a list of all the utility (dispells etc) that's needed for the M+? Preferably with a list of who can spec into it

mellow quartz
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Everything is needed.

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And evokers can remove it all lol

rugged mural
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Wish I could downvote that

echo elk
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They even have bleed dispel

mellow quartz
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Just a long cd for their dispel

echo elk
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Only think evoker cant is disease iirc

lunar slate
tender cove
ancient cosmos
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Obviously the solution is a 5 prot warrior group

tender cove
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wait what, i didnt see this. The ruby whelp has a 24 hour cooldown? What does it do :S

ancient cosmos
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Which may actually be feasable

ocean finch
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Which shield is everyone crafting?

mellow quartz
tender cove
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I cheaped out on the molten, cost 4k.

grave wedge
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opinions please- Is it a waste to go JC kinda want to but engi is always so useful

cobalt seal
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Then keep eng

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Professions dont matter

open gazelle
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Eng is the only profession that has combat usefulness

river coral
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Hey is shield of the hearth worth crafting? Got the recipe today.

tender cove
river coral
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as long as you want it to be?

tender cove
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Then the shield is as worth crafting as you want it to be.

river coral
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lol thanks

static aspen
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☣️

tender cove
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Its low versa proc, cant remember the ppm but it was low. It costs more than 6 times its other option.
Only you can decide if its worth it

river coral
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what's the other option? just the normal Primal shield?

tender cove
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ye

slim dove
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armor spikes is a scam tho go for other embelish imo

tender cove
#

Couple questions:

  • Do we avoid Uproar capstone because it desyncs it from SC? Doesn't uproar sync up better with BoomingV? Netting more overall damage?
  • How come everyone stopped using Barbaric training? What was the reason/why is it bad?
  • Wasn't sidearm garbage? Why is it good? Buffed?
  • How bad is "Storm of steel" capstone for ravager? Doesn't it mean you'll essentially have it up for every pack vs just one? It's still worse because the 40% reduction? Should probably bufff/ nerf(????) it down to 25%, Seens like it would be a good trade off for my scenario. But obvs wanna hear how you pro's and bro's views all of this 🙂
  • How is show of thunder vs bloodsurge?
  • Is champions bulwark really worth it? Pretty low dmg abilitiy, also feel a slight sense off overvaliued due to many small things on the tooltip for rage ecnomy and SB uptime, which we dont really struggle with? Specially not if taken bolster?
strong forum
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Uproar is alright for damage, you can't pick it because you want shockwave

We stopped using barbaric because of bloodsurge nerf

Sidearm changed position so it's free dmg pickup

Btoh ravager talents are useless, you reduce your dmg of it and get less rage gen than picking up instigate

Bulwark grants more rage gen, dmg and SB uptime than bolster

jagged pier
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☝️

strong forum
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Idk what show of thunder vs bloodsurge means

jagged pier
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show of force maybe? but that doesnt make sense

tender cove
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Thank you a lot for clearing that up but do we really want shockwave? I sorta feel its bit redundant atm

strong forum
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100%must pick for m-

jagged pier
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it redundant atm because we dont need it when u start pushing u will

tender cove
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ye show of force. Was checking the pins, comparing builds and trying to adapt it into what I prefer but without being "bad" if that makes sense?

strong forum
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Not having that aoe stop is really bad in m+

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You probably checked the St build

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Since in m+ you play both sof and bloodsurge

tender cove
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If i really really wanted uproar, what would you sacrifice for it?

strong forum
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Shockwave

tender cove
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This is sorta the build i would "prefer" playing with for lack of better word.
And its essentially shockwave ruining it for me?

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strong forum
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Bsv

jagged pier
strong forum
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No punish

tender cove
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I dunno. BSV just feels like a proper warrior thing xD

strong forum
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Yeah especially when its bugged

tender cove
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it is :x

strong forum
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Yes

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It procs pre-mitigation

tender cove
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Why punish so important though? for the 9% dr? It doesn't look THAT important?

slim dove
#

..

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9% dr from 1 talent

strong forum
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And then you have people salivate over 3% vers

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When punish is 18% vers

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LOL

#

It's not just the on average 9% DR

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It's also a good dmg buff

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I've already hit over 110k shield slams in m0

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I'm doing already over 20k st dps

covert palm
#

i wouldnt waste 2 points on 30 more rage either

strong forum
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Overwhelming rage is fine to play

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Good QoL

tender cove
jagged pier
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hes gunna have no rage with barbaric tho

tender cove
raw parcel
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You can get it, but you can only check once a day. You'll hear a roar going in if it's up.

slim dove
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if you rEALLY want it, make multiple warriors and park em at the cave.

tender cove
# strong forum I'm doing already over 20k st dps

what 😮
My ST is pathetically low but I know i'm bad at pressing SS. I'd say i'm wasting a good 40% casts due to pressing smt else or "missing" a proc.
Is that basically it? Don't miss SS and it'll sort itself out?
My aoe is pretty solid and I know what I'm doing wrong there but ST, not so sure.
Haven't really looked much but think i'm half of you on a good day, which is not good enough 😦

jagged pier
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cant tell without logs really

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🤷

tender cove
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Wonder if rio has been logging the m0, lemme check

strong forum
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I play battering ram and bulwark 🙂

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That alone is like a 3k dps increase

tender cove
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Its 3-4 dungeons. Had constant DC's yd so logs split i think.

strong forum
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Your SS cpm is below your revenge

tender cove
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Can you check a boss fight vs just trash? Because I knowingly ignore ss for rev/tc spam.

strong forum
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It's rly hard to judge from these logs

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Cuz it's all so jumbled

tender cove
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yeh, the disconnects ruined it. I can run something today and make it better, np.

cobalt seal
jagged pier
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just log a target dumbbies

cobalt seal
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You dont ignore ss

tender cove
jagged pier
tender cove
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I did ask that question and it was said to be ok xD

cobalt seal
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Depends who answered

tender cove
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Cant remember, was a couple days ago.

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I seem to average about 55 cpm, isn't that incredibly low?

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Or did it change a ton from SL?

quartz mist
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im ready to replace this M+ week 1

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slim dove
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joocy.

jagged pier
slim dove
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100% replaced week 1

jagged pier
strong forum
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You need to do 18s to replace that weapon

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So I'm not sure about week1 replacing it

slim dove
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how goods that embellish?

tender cove
strong forum
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No clue

slim dove
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after armor spikes im not convinced any of them will make me happy besides the pot extender

quartz mist
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seems like dog shit so far

tender cove
quartz mist
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renown 25 with centaur , now to work on dragoncale

jagged pier
tender cove
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ohh okok. So its decent and I know the missing are from me freezing up in encounters because its new and a lot of shit going on.

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@strong forum Could I please see your build with both battering and champions? 😄

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I can't figure out what you're not taking 😦

cobalt seal
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Prob in pins

strong forum
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I don't have TL, bsv and unnerving focus

dusky canopy
cobalt seal
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Unless he slacked and didnt update them

strong forum