protection

[warm plinth]

Yes, if you have appropriate gear goes without saying...

[lusty grotto]

in fact it could be undergeared if anything

its a HIGH key level

[warm plinth]

what's with people wanting to argue semantics lately

[lusty grotto]

so no, i dont agree with you at all Miches

idk

d stance is a defensive cd, nothing more

even better one without a cd

[potent gulch]

brutal vitality nerf 😭

[lusty grotto]

🤷

[vague viper]

I would guess its a minor nerf as We’re still gonna generate enough rage to spam ignore pain

[lusty grotto]

huh

there are some many things wrong with what you just said

first of all its a 50% nerf

from 30 to 15%

second of all, "spam ignore pain" hmm...

and lastly, i hope people understand how BV scales off from IP scaling

which comes from HP pools

additionally FbV was buffed

at some point health pools might scale BV out of control

maybe the nerf is too large but we will have to see, they obviously wanted to balance both options so there's not one thats way better than the other

[mighty valley]

i feel like

maybe

we've spent a bit too much time debating the value of one of our lowest impact talent choices

[lusty grotto]

im more concerned about the "spam IP" part

still, that nerf is gonna come up a lot this weekend

its probably best to leave it short and simple like you said

it'll probably scare a few BDK rerollers away lmao

[oblique drift]

Maybe Piffz meant like we'll still generate enough rage to funnel into spenders in order to fuel ignore pain

But I don't know

[lusty grotto]

perhaps, but he didnt explain himself either

can go either way

[dense verge]

Isn't all we spend rage on IP? I took revenge and execute of my bars...............

[lusty grotto]

[proven depot]

is there an addon to show damage taken and if its magic or physical?

[indigo glacier]

Do we really not use revenge??

[lime urchin]

Uh oh

[lusty grotto]

yikes lol

it was a joke

of course we do

[noble lynx]

I believe details shows magic with different color not 100% sure

[proven depot]

i mean scrolling damage taken i think it was called parrot back in legion not sure

[noble lynx]

Oh

[lusty grotto]

not sure if parrot is still around

or MSBT for that matter

i havent used MSBT in a huge while

[warm plinth]

No, pwar deadge now 😦

[lusty grotto]

like years

[lime urchin]

I use MSBT for that

[proven depot]

thats it thank you

are there profiles for it on wago?

[lusty grotto]

hell no

MSBT is old as hell

wago only has plater/WA/elvui

[lime urchin]

It’s fairly easy to set up

[remote dawn]

hey guys i start today with the addon what profession is best for us?

[lusty grotto]

whatever, crafting orders are a thing

any profession will be fine

anything crafted can just be obtained by those so it doesnt matter

[remote dawn]

so two crafting professions or does it not matter if you take mining?

[lusty grotto]

you dont need 2 crafting professions

like i said, you dont need professions at all

it doesnt matter

you can have 2 gathering profs and still be fine

[neon fossil]

Im thinking the DPS ring. Not like we need more shield's lol

[lusty grotto]

weapon might better

after shield

are those crafted with spark?

if so then yeah weapon after shield

after that then... its possible, the scholar loop looks interesting

if 2nd spark is really on s1 release then its possible that it might go to items such as the scholar's loop, provided their effects are good

lot of maybes honestly

[long stone]

Got yesterday blackdragon Hammer - think it will positivie influence craftikg gear with it

We will See

[lusty grotto]

it'll help

ive been farming it today for a few hours

[zenith vale]

Guys

Do you think tanks doing good dmgs / great dmgs is a way to promote the role ? Like in OW2

because nobody play tanks

Played*

[neon fossil]

Keep getting this when I try and sim Scholar's Loop

[lusty grotto]

sure

[lusty grotto]

thats the whole point of why tanks are doing great dmg now

[zenith vale]

It’s like in OW2 now they do mass dmg and people love them while keeping dps the most popular

[lusty grotto]

well besides having most mobs nuking dps instead of tanks and dungeons being more linear

[zenith vale]

Did they admit it nimchip ?

This Philosophy change

[lusty grotto]

yes they did, not specifically about dmg

[zenith vale]

Oh

[lusty grotto]

but they did reveal they want more people playing tanks

and less responsability on them

[zenith vale]

Need to find the link or interview

[lusty grotto]

its been in a few interviews

[zenith vale]

Nice

[lusty grotto]

i cant recall the exact ones

[zenith vale]

Yeah so I’m sure our higher dmg profile come from it

Like OW2

[lusty grotto]

it cant find the enchant if you read the output

[zenith vale]

It’s a general blizzard approach change

[tropic sundial]

What are good slots to spend the sparks of ingenuity we get over the next few weeks? I can craft shields, 1H sword, and engi bracers/googles, would those be good choices?

[neon fossil]

ahh Okay. I missed that.

[lusty grotto]

guys please use search

this has been answered a lot

shield 1st

even if you have a m0 shield

shield 1st

[tropic sundial]

Sorry and thanks. Just to be sure, we're talking about any shield (like the one from shield spec in bs) or specifically the shield of hearth for the proc?

[lusty grotto]

most of us will go for defender

[swift bay]

doesnt it drop only from one rare according to the blacksmith page?

[lusty grotto]

because hearth's recipe is giga expensive and its a world drop

[lusty grotto]

yes

[hazy thicket]

and it is correct that you can add embellishments later with recrafting?

[neon fossil]

@lusty grotto You sound like a broken record. You're constantly repeating the same stuff every hour about spark = shield first. lol

[sand pebble]

hearth recipie on frosty oce is 18k

[lusty grotto]

correct

[tropic sundial]

it's 15k on my server

[lusty grotto]

its 150k here

[hazy thicket]

👌

[lusty grotto]

also hearth stats are absolute ass

and you cant missive it

[tropic sundial]

yeah just saw it's fixed crit/mastery oof

[lusty grotto]

my personal opinion is that its not worth

[sand pebble]

14k and dropping

[lusty grotto]

rather missive crit haste into defender and go to town

[tropic sundial]

Roger, thanks a lot

[lusty grotto]

or just stay with as haste versa

[sand pebble]

hehe about to level my evoker

turning in nefs head to see if i get the buff

no buff

[lusty grotto]

for science

[sand pebble]

level 50's got it

no 60's got it might stop at 59

[neon fossil]

why not haste vers*

[lusty grotto]

cause its not haste

also im not on vers team

either is fine honestly

[sand pebble]

vers isnt really needed atm. crit give big number and big number good

[lusty grotto]

but my plan is haste crit

the stats are great as they are

[neon fossil]

i was haste crit last xpac

[mighty valley]

it's still haste > *

[lusty grotto]

yea

[mighty valley]

vers is always going to be the choice if you're doing the content that would oneshot you if you didn't have vers

[neon fossil]

yup

[lusty grotto]

either way you can recraft and change stats

[mighty valley]

but for mere mortals, crit is fun

[lusty grotto]

so it really doesnt matter heh

[neon fossil]

Oh Nim, I have a question.

If you're changing stats on an item through recrafting, can it lower the quality?

[long stone]

Where do you Farm it ? Obsidian ?

[swift bay]

isnt the defender better anyway because it doesnt use one "Embellished" slot?

[lusty grotto]

obsidian what?

[uncut notch]

Shoutout to some guy on the AH for selling it to me at 3.5k

[long stone]

Obsidian citadel

[lusty grotto]

technically yea since that means it can shoot up more on ilvl

[lusty grotto]

yeah from Rahzor

[tropic sundial]

Drop from this guy https://www.wowhead.com/npc=187598/rohzor-forgesmash#drops

[lusty grotto]

it can if you procced through inspiration

so if youre changing stats, you better make sure you have the required stats to not drop the ilvl back down

there are consumes and shit, oils and stuff

food buffs for crafters

etc etc

anyway im out

time

[pallid quiver]

well, i got a shield drop from my m0s

definitely dis-incentivized from crafting a shield now

[lusty grotto]

i have an m0 shield too

still crafting it when i finish with my Chaos

[pallid quiver]

i'm still holding until s1 drop

Gonna see if the loot lords say i'm stuck with 330 pants or something before crafting or anything

[open gazelle]

Can anyone confirm rates dropping 380 gear out in the world? Im 370 ilvl

Rares *

[lusty grotto]

i also got a matrix today which is perfect so i can get a 380 weapon

rares?

uhh...

that'd be weird

pretty sure rares cap out

[swift bay]

i'm 373 and i managed to drop some 379 and a 382 weapon from rares so yes

[open gazelle]

Yes they said once your ilvl reaches a certain threshold( I think 365) your world drops ilvl get upgraded to 380 from rares and weekly events but I can’t confirm. Most I’ve gotten is 372

[lusty grotto]

kinda weird for blizzard to do that

[open gazelle]

@swift bay that was from rares not the weekly events correct?

[lusty grotto]

it would make sense from weeklies and stuff

[swift bay]

Elite Rare, not the normal rare

[long stone]

Got an worlddrop yesterday - 2h macr -.-

[swift bay]

but yes not from the weekly

[open gazelle]

@swift bay thank you looks like I’ve got some hunting to do

[swift bay]

got my 379 helm for example while farming for the blacksmith mace

[lusty grotto]

interesting

[wary plume]

the shockwave damage talents feel way better than dragon roar for continuous aoe to me

am i insane?

[swift bay]

it's not garanteed that you drop higher tho, in fact i only have 3 items higher than 372

[strong forum]

It's not better, but its not alot worse either

[wary plume]

I guess roar will feel better when mobs live longer

[upper hollow]

helo, is there an error in mythic build loaded in wowhead? Impenetrable Wall is missing...

[strong forum]

No he made that decision intentionally

[upper hollow]

but i can see it in icyveins build...

[strong forum]

Because the average pwar will not use SW often enough to make use of the extra CDR of it

[strong forum]

Different people different opinions

[upper hollow]

ohh ok, i thought was the same author

[strong forum]

Nop

[upper hollow]

tnx!

[open gazelle]

Nothing else to do for me except farm cobalt ring

[compact jackal]

Nice.

[wary plume]

dang

mine wont go over rank 3 atm

do you need to use rank 3 mats to get it up?

[compact jackal]

rank 2 and I got an inspiration

[wary plume]

lucky

[quartz jackal]

Guys, is there anyway to remove actionbar 1?

[compact jackal]

here's mine without mats

[neon fossil]

The nerf to Brutal Vitality but a buff to Fueled by Violence. How does this actually weigh up?

[cedar lintel]

Guys quick question, for the prot hidden artifact shield. Do i need to have the prot artifact to go to the cave ? Because i havent done the prot questline. Or i just go to the cave without it and w8 for the message to appear

[neon fossil]

You cannot get it anymore

[wary plume]

is shield of the hearth better

?

its 22k recipe on my realm atm

pretty ez

[cedar lintel]

whaaat i see people got it like a month ago

[neon fossil]

What what I heard, you needed to have or have unlocked it during the content. You can only get the additional recolours if you've already unlocked it.

[solid granite]

Worth it, i guess

[cedar lintel]

im certain ppl got it last month, i spoke to a lot of ppl who got it

[neon fossil]

you're talking about this artifact?

[tropic sundial]

It's the mage tower you can't get anymore, you can still get the hidden one

this is the mage tower one juicy

[neon fossil]

Ahh yea.

[compact jackal]

eh, 1.5% vers proc with 60% uptime is worse than the raid bracers provided you maintain 4 within 30y

[tropic sundial]

You don't need to have done the quest yet to see the shield, but you will need to have done it to use the item you loot to unlock the appearance. You can create an army of highmountain taurent warrior to go check the cave, and if the item is there you loot it and do the artefact quest on the character

I did it not a month ago, shield was up on the 4th trial tauren

[cedar lintel]

no bro this is mage tower

[cedar lintel]

ok ty , do i need to be in prot spec or something to see the item ?

[tropic sundial]

Yes.

I recommend using a macro to check if it's up too

[neon fossil]

@strong forum does the nerf/buff to FbV and BV effect things much?

It just seems to me like a weight jiggle so that IP isnt the only thing doing healing.

[tropic sundial]

Also, please be aware that to unlock the various tints for it, you need to do the requirements on the character that unlocked the appearance. (this is why I still checked for the item on my main after getting it on a trial tauren)

[cedar lintel]

such us ?

as*

[tropic sundial]

you can find some in the comments there : https://www.wowhead.com/item=139580/burning-plate-of-the-worldbreaker#comments

just enter the cave, use the macro to check, no need to fly down

[strong forum]

no

[neon fossil]

Thought as much.

[cedar lintel]

ty for the help man

[cedar lintel]

but as i see the fixed that and the macro is not working anymore

[open gazelle]

Do you need another spark of ingenuity to upgrade your already crafted spark of ingenuity gear or how does that work?

[tropic sundial]

It was working like 3 weeks ago, i doubt they nerfed it after years of it working like that

[open gazelle]

What do you use to upgrade spark of ingenuity gear after week 3?

[devout pewter]

Hi guys, they woke me up with the post about the warrior ahaha... having just woken up I really struggled to follow you, in short... is it a bad nerf? what changes to us?

[acoustic grotto]

Hey guys, do you think with the recent patch, we need to go back to Fueled by Violence instead of Brutal Vitaly (since we don't have tierset yet i think ?)

[cedar lintel]

Is there a best profession ?

[neon fossil]

Hasnt changed anything

[neon fossil]

Doesnt change anything

[acoustic grotto]

thansk

[heavy temple]

Can you please explain why it is not that big of a deal?

[strong forum]

cuz of the amount of IP we spam regardless

[neon fossil]

Im gonna say it probably to do with the amount of passive IP it provides when its capping very easily anyways witht eh amount of IP we spam

[strong forum]

and if the BV Bug is fixed with this

its a massive ultra buff to IP instead

nah BV bug not fixed 😦

[neon fossil]

What's the issue with BV at the moment?

[strong forum]

if you cap out ignore pain

BV stops working until IP falls of again

[neon fossil]

ahh okay

[terse hollow]

this a titan matrix craft?

[placid vale]

We still rocks then?

[hidden cedar]

Recrafting costs a fraction of the original AH mats and doesnt require any more of the soulbound mats. If you want to upgrade to raid equivalent ilvls you'll need to add in a crafting matrix during the recraft obviously.

Also takes some of the artisan's mettle to recraft though so there is that.

[novel temple]

Damn

They nerfed it more rather than fixing it

People shouldn’t have said “it basically gives us 30% leech”

But revenge should be off the GCD like shield block and ignore pain

[long stone]

where can i find elite earth elementals? for earthen soul ?

[solar blade]

if revenge is off gcd im going to make a big party and invite all of you

[livid osprey]

spark

[solar blade]

they are extracted via an engi tool (afaik)

[long stone]

i have all this... but where do i find the elite;)

[solar blade]

the tooltip on the soul also says that

[long stone]

that was the question...

not what do i need for it ^^

[solar blade]

thats a good question haha

[long stone]

ok i have one

[solar blade]

search for the soul on wowhead?

greatA

[novel temple]

Also, what’s the difference between tree star quality and 1 star quality enchants?

[sand pebble]

the power of them

[pallid quiver]

Well, ended M0 runs at 359

[hidden cedar]

enchant tooltips are fucked rn and aren't showing the differences in stats but higher tier enchants have higher numbers

[pallid quiver]

When I checked on a random mob earlier for Aly, it was working, but I had to force check for an update on my client

Casted four IPs to make sure I capped, let myself get hit, and shield slam moved me from 79k to 80k+ on the absorb

Is it not working on your end?

oh whack

it's not working anymore

[terse hollow]

how did it end up at 389 tho?

[strong forum]

better materials and better crafter

it can range from 382 all the way to 392

because of materials and how skilled the crafter is

[cedar lintel]

guys , about the crafting item ? is there a best item to craft ? maybe like the main hand ? and when should i craft it ?

[sweet summit]

personally not crafting anything that requires a spark rn

[terse hollow]

shield is a good call if you're gunna do it

more block is more good

[mellow quartz]

Was adding to the active IP for me after capping out and falling below again and someone else said it worked for him also🤔

[strong forum]

doesnt work for me idk

maybe u used an outburst and thought it worked

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/899689389276422164.webp?size=96&quality=lossless

[mellow quartz]

Nah was careful abt that.

Only used revenge

[pallid quiver]

Same, but it's not working on my end at the bare minimum right now

i just cancelled my stacks of seeing red on my end

should've been smart enough to just use revenge

[potent sun]

About 50% stats

[strong forum]

literally doesnt work

idk what you tested

[terse hollow]

is there an embellishment on crafted gear we like?

[strong forum]

helmet

[terse hollow]

mean like these things

[strong forum]

yes

embellishment also counts the helmet

you can only wear 2

[terse hollow]

so none of these we want?

[strong forum]

theyre the same thing

armor spikes and helmet are good

[pallid quiver]

I think he's asking for which proc for any embellishments you add we'd want

Yeah that

[terse hollow]

ty

[fresh belfry]

frostfire sims higher for me than helmet

belt

[strong forum]

helmet doesnt sim at all 🙂

[fresh belfry]

not legs

[ionic fern]

Also..remember tier pieces.

[strong forum]

cuz helmet isnt implemented

[fresh belfry]

good to know

[ionic fern]

Before crafting.

[fresh belfry]

tier pieces

for tanks

what world are you living in

i wish

[ionic fern]

🤔

[fresh belfry]

jk, I did consider them. but helm seems like a nobrainer. spikes im not sure tho

did they buff them? last time I tried they were very underwhelming

[strong forum]

do about the same as helmet

[fresh belfry]

what about frostfire legguards? thats a lot of haste. have you looked at them in multitarget?

[strong forum]

4% haste

for 10 seconds

big whoop

[fresh belfry]

uptime low?

[strong forum]

ofc its fucking low

[fresh belfry]

ok fuck it

nobody likes legs

[strong forum]

you only have it for 10seconds when you engage a pack

then its gone for the rest of the fight

[fresh belfry]

cant but the helmet recipe on my realm

😦

kinda rare

[strong forum]

craft order it

[fresh belfry]

nah

my realm is to small im probably the only one who could actually do it

i considerd transing it over from kazzak actually

[strong forum]

dont think its server specific

[fresh belfry]

it is

[strong forum]

cringe lol

[pearl bobcat]

Hey so with the nerfs/buffs to prot yesterday should we take fueled by violence now?

[gritty iron]

Hi guys, returning player here. Trying to choose which tank to pick up. I played Prot Warrior S3 in SL Necro with banner and all that good stuff... But felt repelled later on by how fast paced and buttons-heavy it was.
Is it still the same in DF or has it been toned down a bit ?

[pallid quiver]

It's not quite as APM, but I'm pretty sure we're still the highest APM tank

[gritty iron]

Thanks for the insight

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/eLJMC98.png

armor spikes aint bad

[lyric elm]

thats big

[strong forum]

thats only 2star aswell

[brittle garnet]

So the helmet and a shield with spikes would be the optimal crafts for week 1?

[strong forum]

i crafted shield with spikes now

seems like the best plan

id hold off for the 2nd craft

[brittle garnet]

does the quality of spikes matter for damage?

[strong forum]

probably ye

actually i think its just the difficulty thingy

the higher the difficulty of your craft the lower the chance of it getting an ilvl upgrade

[terse hollow]

sent it

[crimson sapphire]

Where do we get the spikes from?

[pallid quiver]

I'm still going to wait until week 1 to see if I need to patch gear slots or anything before crafting a shield

[pallid quiver]

Embellishment material that other professions can make. I want to say those can be got from AH

[warm plinth]

@ionic fern hi ily

[terse hollow]

shield will be better than anything you get until m+ and it wont be early either

[crimson sapphire]

Thanks

[terse hollow]

and you can always recraft with matrix or those power stone things to keep it up

[ionic fern]

How are you on this fine weekend?

[warm plinth]

Doing okay, leveling my warrior 💪

[mellow quartz]

yeah doesn't work now but did before I went to bed, da fuq......

[strong forum]

[terse hollow]

crit tho?

[strong forum]

yeah?

[terse hollow]

is that a thing

[pallid quiver]

ye

[strong forum]

always has been lol

[pallid quiver]

We can use all stats

we just have leanings towards haste as the top

[terse hollow]

yeah i just thought haste/vers was what we wanted

then crit like 3rd

[strong forum]

i prefer damage

vers is for chumps

[pallid quiver]

but if you only ever get vers, it's worse than having some crit

I think crit's more damage on average at the cost of more survival?

[terse hollow]

depends if you're farming or pushing i guess

[strong forum]

ill push with crit

[mortal brook]

classic. 'hey guys im at X% haste, do i do mastery or vers? i love all three secondaries'

[high drum]

can shield spikes only go on shield?

[strong forum]

no

it can go on any slot

[high drum]

blessed thanks

[stark jewel]

guessing this has been asked already, but is there a chance we move from Brutal vitality to fueled by violence with the upcoming nerf/buff?

[pallid quiver]

i'd always choose crit just because crits make me smile

[high drum]

gonna have a spiky ring

[strong forum]

since BV is still bugged fbv will be better

[heavy mantle]

what you guys think about the shield of the hearth ?

[stark jewel]

alright ty, I was unaware of a bug, is it already better?

[knotty idol]

Could you briefly explain how you made this? Ngl work orders confuse me with all the reagents and what not

[strong forum]

go to craft orders, look which mats you need, buy mats, buy armor spikes, buy missive for the stats you want from AH
go back to craft order, slam all the reagtents in press order

done

[knotty idol]

Awesome ty, anyway to guarantee lvl386?

[strong forum]

get 3star mats

[heavy mantle]

@strong forum what your toughts on Shield of the hearth ?

[strong forum]

~60% uptime on 1.5% vers

nothing special

explained in pins

[pallid quiver]

wow

gems are kinda expensive right now. Got a helm with a socket, decided to take a look at possible gemming it

I have decided I'll keep the 3k, thanks

[static aspen]

Yeah, well, game is not even a week up

What do you expect

[zealous spade]

Hey guys! I try to recraft my shield, I put in the mats, click on recraft and nothing happens. Any ideas? update: it wasn't fully repaired, that's why

[tender cove]

If i dont use unstoppable force (for whatever reason) and outburst comes out. Do i try to hold SS or TC for it when its like 3 seconds or praying for a proc or just send it in that scenario?

[south flint]

3k is like 5 world quests lol

[open gazelle]

@strong forum thought BV bug got fixed??

Don’t forget crit gives us parry too

[marble cipher]

how do you get that extra "equip" thing on there? I had mine made with crafting order, but think I missed that option?

[sharp pilot]

what's better?

[marble cipher]

one's an int weapon, the other a strength

...

[south flint]

It’s called an embellish

[marble cipher]

thanks, gives me a google term 😉

[south flint]

😂😂😂

[sharp pilot]

oh, i see, really

[south flint]

Yeah idk shit about crafting lol or else I’d explain it more. I think you can have 2 embellished pieces equipped at a time though

[marble cipher]

no worries, the name is more than enough, google/wowhead will do the rest!

[open gazelle]

What lvl keys were y’all doing in the beta? Im thinking anywhere from 10-15 keys will be doable week 1

[sharp pilot]

good?

[static aspen]

It's a shield

[torn gulch]

people were doing 20's at 392 ilvl so people will do 20's week one at least the top 0.1% will

for the average player 10's will be a thing week one

[mellow quartz]

everyone on beta had full enchants, gems, tier sets and BIS gear though at 392 ilvl

[cobalt seal]

For average player 5s*

[mellow quartz]

will see how it is when you have to push up a key and have shitty optimized gear week 1

[cobalt seal]

20s might be a top 100 players thing

I doubt title players get into 20s first week

[mellow quartz]

if you play 10h a day that week you will get gear fast though so will probably be past 400 ilvl

[cobalt seal]

Like no way

[uncut dome]

Brutal vitality nerf, could this lead into fueled by violence insted?

[blazing condor]

oh i just now realised they put reprisal on shield charge

cool

man i am not read up on anything lol

[plush garden]

Is there a bis crafted piece we should be aiming for ?

[mellow quartz]

if you are not dropping IP due to damage intake in between rage dumping to IP then BV does nothing for you anyway

[uncut dome]

True

[hushed patio]

asking the same

[open gazelle]

I think my goal will be 15s week one

And go from there

They will be tough that’s for sure

[modern spindle]

Sooooooo prot warriors….. anyone else but me trying to be a bg nightmare 😂

[open gazelle]

Honestly healers will have the toughest time I think healing the dps

@modern spindle not really a nightmare just an annoying thing that interrupts and doesn’t die

[sturdy sable]

Yeah these dungeons are definitely more work for healers then any other role

So far

[open gazelle]

Omfg week 1 is quaking plus thundering

[spring holly]

so with the reset what's better now? Fueled by violence or brutal vit?

[cunning parcel]

TR over Spear for DPS or just better overall?

[solid granite]

no, it's a spark craft

[modern spindle]

Wait mythic is out

Fuck me

🥲

[static aspen]

Always has been

[modern spindle]

I meant like +

[static aspen]

No its not

[cedar trench]

wut

no its not

[modern spindle]

Okay whew

[static aspen]

M+ will be up in like 2 weeks

Enjoy dragon isles in breeze

[cedar trench]

the 13th

[open gazelle]

I know for a fact that pushing rating for keys and doing the highest echelon of them that spear+ reduced shockwave will be significantly better for survival especially on fortified weeks than TR say what you want but from a defensive standpoint you don’t want to die in those high ass keys that build is your go to

[static aspen]

Yes, ofc. Controlled stuns and bigger damage

[open gazelle]

I do want to test out the field by violence Biff with TR though but don’t think it will be a noticeable amount of more healing intake

[reef haven]

Which are the best embellished items? Can't find info on it, sorry if I'm being oblivious

[strong forum]

tbd

[round delta]

Hi fellas. I've a question. Don't know where to put it because is about gear, loot and doble spec. I'm a man of few characters, hate a lot to have alters. And i've a little problem this season. I'm the tank of my mithyc static group. And its possible, that i need to be DPS in my raid. I want to play both with warrior if its posible but i've doubts about HOW to manage the loot. The first week, push week, i'll try to get items with haste and versatility, or haste crit. But focusing haste. and as i see in wowhead guide, for fury, is mastery the first. So i don't know how to do to get equipment. Just to add; raid level will be casual, heroic mode as the highest prio (if we kill few mithy boses will be a surprise) my main objetive is my static mithyc group

[steep quarry]

You will get so much new gear when m+ and raids open so I wouldnt worry about stats at the moment. Just get the ilvl

[grave crane]

Why though? Getting SW every avatar is also pretty good and you lose damage which means mobs stay alive longer?

[reef haven]

I would not worry about stats if its heroic raiding mostly, gear for your main spec first. Also with m+ you will be getting gear for both specs anyway.

[faint mural]

Is the Choker of Shielding worth it?

[static aspen]

What is the pvp meta spec for warriors? Arms?

Arena i mean

[reef haven]

wrong channel

[mellow quartz]

#pvp

[open gazelle]

@grave crane what do you suggest? The vast majority of the highest keys fail because of survivability, not because of tank dps. If I can make my healer worry less about me it’s a win, the healer can dps more or keep the team alive better. A tanks dps is his last priority playing at that level

[reef haven]

to be determined aparently

[grave crane]

Immovable object and reduced shockwave and B battle scarred veteran after goings be more defensive but I doubt the keys fail because of survivability they probably fail more because of misplay.

[mellow quartz]

spamming shockwave on cd is not the play if you wanna play for defensiveness, you wanna shockwave at the right times instead

[open gazelle]

It’s survivability, mobs last season on fortified week in +30 keys brutal… bosses on tyrannical week? Brutal… it comes to survivability at those levels

@grave crane

[spring holly]

@open gazelle how high are we talking? I've never done much past the 16-17 range but will go to 20 for obvious reasons this expac

[open gazelle]

@spring holly I did up to +30 last season so yeah pretty freakin high

[spring holly]

ah so I'm good lol

[grave crane]

Spear and shockwave spam aren’t gonna improve your survivability, IO and BSV do

[open gazelle]

If you want to push rating and I mean really push rating your dps comes last in your priority list

[spring holly]

also since it sounds like we got some experts here, in the next reset how's it looking with fueled by violence vs brutal vit?

[open gazelle]

@grave crane spear is basically your version of paladin bubble just step back two feet, shockwave spam is great at control, what are you even talking about at this point

Remind me what IO stands for

Ofc you pick up BSV too

[mellow quartz]

not sure why you keep saying spear is great for survivability?

[open gazelle]

@mellow quartz throw it down at a pack take a step back congrats your immune to physical damage for 5 sec

[mellow quartz]

.....

[reef haven]

lmao

[mellow quartz]

no one is going to kite

[ionic fern]

What am i even reading.

Is this trolling or?

[grave crane]

Spear is a root it’s not a bubble, you may as well say kiting is paladin bubble. Spamming shockwave is bad cause you give mobs diminishing returns. Kite. Immovable object

[mellow quartz]

that is just...facepalm

[reef haven]

imagine losing on rage generation and damage for 6 seconds of not getting melee hit, yikes

[open gazelle]

Everyone is a critic until the meta changes against their opinions

Ya ok

[ionic fern]

[blazing condor]

https://tenor.com/view/funkhouser-super-dave-im-not-norm-norm-macdonald-blank-face-gif-17567587

[mellow quartz]

in most cases your group probably dies before you do

[open gazelle]

How do you not take reduced shockwave wtf is your argument

[mellow quartz]

you dont wanna shockwave on CD

you wanna shockwave at the right casts/abilities

also you DR better CC

from your group members

[ionic fern]

My argument is that..
-Most other classes also have a Stun..
-There are other much more worthwhile points

[open gazelle]

Y’all just taking extra bleed dam just do dam? Come on now

Utility is everything

[grave crane]

I could maybe see in pugs reduced shockwave but honestly just fear em or something else.

Higher damage shit dies quicker is my argument

[ionic fern]

I got Utility.
I got SR, i got Shockwave, i got Fear, i got Storm Bolt.

🤷

[reef haven]

bleed damage with rend is big

why would not you take it

[grave crane]

I mean shit thunderlord will be more survability than spear and reduced shockwave

Cause it’s actual damage reduction uptime

[open gazelle]

Do you not like shockwaves for every pack you pull??

Reduced shockwave is being slept

[reef haven]

you don't need shockwave for every pack

[mellow quartz]

UF gets you more TC which is more rage which is then more demo shout with TL

[open gazelle]

You do in fing plus 30s Jesus Christ

[ionic fern]

I think you need some more sleep...

[mellow quartz]

shockwave is useful at certain times to stop certain cast and abilities

[ionic fern]

No one is stopping you from playing Rumbling Earth tho.

Go ahead. 🙂

[grave crane]

t that point go for big shockwave too fuck it

[mellow quartz]

oh you played many 30s in DF?

[rotund cliff]

its nice to dr stuns with a 2 sec stun every pull

[bleak wyvern]

are all the prot builds still super spammy?

[reef haven]

now I wanna know his character name to look at m+ score

[strong forum]

Yes

[grave crane]

I’d rather have a 6 second kidney on a prio target tbh

[open gazelle]

@mellow quartz which is why you want is up as much as possible

[bleak wyvern]

might switch to prot cus I can't get a single M+ invite lmao

[rotund cliff]

my rogue would get annoyed when i use shockwave and made his kidneys worse lol

[mellow quartz]

everyone gets annoyed

[strong forum]

Need to perma DR mobs cuz I can't live without a 2sec aoe stun twice a pack 😦

Sad

[grave crane]

But it’s survivability

[mellow quartz]

I mean he also wants to spear so he can step out of melee for 5s....

[grave crane]

And spear is bubble

Kiting is bubble

Everything is bubble

[strong forum]

Ya nah sorry, pwar is the sturdiest tank, if you need to go an pick a talent purely because of a 6sec root to stop being melee'd

Then not a single tank in the game will be able to perform

[reef haven]

if you took spear would not you also want to have the point for the crit buff making using it useless as a kiting tool anyway? lmao, talk about inneficient pathing

[bleak wyvern]

someone wanted a talent to not get melee'd as a tank?

[jagged pier]

maybe hes remebering S1 of SL

🤔

[dawn marsh]

Sorry new to pwarr, what does DR'ing mobs mean? I know DR as damage reduction but not sure if it's still the same in that context.

[strong forum]

Diminishing returns

[grave crane]

Stuns work less after each stun

[strong forum]

You stun a mob, every subsequent stun is only 50% duration

[dawn marsh]

Oooh that yeah gotcha, ty

[strong forum]

After being stunned 3 times the mob is stun immune for 18 seconds

[grave crane]

Which is why I shockwave first cast of a pull

So my dps have to work harder

[strong forum]

To make sure that other stuns aren't as effective!

[grave crane]

And my healer has to do more healing

I don’t even use sb I just spear stuff and step back

Warrior bubble

[reef haven]

I use shockwave more as a panic button when the healer is having trouble healing everyone than anything else

[strong forum]

Shockwave is for mob control for your group

Not for yourself

[cobalt seal]

you sub to lemike?

[strong forum]

Tanks aren't gonna be the one struggling

[cobalt seal]

you sound exactly like him

[mellow quartz]

wasnt he running both cap stones for roar?

[grave crane]

I’m memeing in tuna

[cobalt seal]

And I'm memeing lemike

so let me get this right

spear is great because it's a pseudo bubble against physical dmg

Did skyhold change to Fel Hammer or something?

isn't Pwar

[mellow quartz]

can't die if you don't get hit

[cobalt seal]

already immune to physical dmg

[open gazelle]

Bruh I’m cackling😂😂😂😂

Y’all are too damn easy

Ofc I’m running dragon roar tf

[mellow quartz]

sure you were just trolling the whole time

[open gazelle]

Ya lmaoooo

Bro my stomach hurts

[mellow quartz]

ofc you were

[open gazelle]

I was trying to think of a stupid build and sounding witty and defensive about it

Knew I’d get a rise and it worked

I love this discord

Quick to react to it

[narrow fern]

hmm any tips for keeping up high dmg? feel kinda weak sometimes compared to otehr tanks, given its a guardian druid i was running with

[open gazelle]

Ravager UF you good

Combine cds with demonshout

Demo

[narrow fern]

UF?

[open gazelle]

Avatar clap boi spam talent

[narrow fern]

ah ok yea, so i ravager throw- avatar-charge-clap-demo shout-roar-shield charge?

this is for pure dmg

[open gazelle]

Demo right after ravager I believe

That way you get sb up fast too

[blazing condor]

pre cast ravager, avatar, demo shout, shield charge, spam revenge, tc

[cobalt seal]

I got called out

[blazing condor]

all that jazz

[cobalt seal]

quickly

say I was trolling

[ionic fern]

Intentionally trolling will get you muted (for starters). Keep that in mind and consider this a warning.

[jagged pier]

☝️

[narrow fern]

ill be too far away for demo shout tho no? :hmm

[grave crane]

He got that backtracking down for when he throws spear

[blazing condor]

well you charge

you can avatar + charge same time

[grave crane]

And you charge in and then demo so your abilities do more damage

[open gazelle]

@ionic fern good to know, I do appreciate the defensiveness and being outspoken about the correct and proper builds, it’s nice to have a class discord that actually cares

[narrow fern]

when would u roar? :hmm after demo?

or after shield charge

[blazing condor]

idk whats optimal cus i haven't even gotten to 70 lol i just know from SL

pre casting rav > charge + avatar > demo is probably a good thing to do

then idk

[outer wave]

What’s the feeling on the inc nerf?

[open gazelle]

@blazing condor after is when you roar with demo still up

[narrow fern]

ok so roar after demo

[open gazelle]

Then imo I would SC to keep block up and spam tc and spend all rage on revenge and excess on ip that’s pretty much it

[narrow fern]

ravager-avatar+charge+shieldblock-demo-roar-SC then just TC and normal rotations

[open gazelle]

Yes you want your DR dam to be increased by demo

^^^ what jaded said to a T

[narrow fern]

ok nice thanks for helping me figuring it out, i like clear cut what i should do in some places haha

[dawn marsh]

So you place Ravager first and Demo before Roar? I saw in a yt video someone explained: Avatar -> Ravager -> TRoar -> Demo Shout

[open gazelle]

I’ve been under the impression that you can avatar before the first tick of ravager is dealt

I did test it too and that seems to be the case

[dawn marsh]

Oh sweet, good to know.

[ocean arrow]

I would opt for demo prior to roar so you can amp the Initial dmg as well as the bleed

[open gazelle]

Plus demo asap to help your rav too i believe

[strong forum]

in my sim its like this:
charge+avatar->ravager->demo->roar->SC

this is the optimal demo shout dmg placement

[ocean arrow]

Yep

Perfect

[dawn marsh]

Yeah I found it a little bit weird that Demo shout came so late, but I didn't know any better(until now)

[strong forum]

now in reality in m+, you are more likely to send ravager before you charge

[open gazelle]

@strong forum no rav first?

[strong forum]

not on paper

[dawn marsh]

Why? Initial aggro?

Oh whoops, replied to wrong comment

[ocean arrow]

Avatar and rav happen at the same time

Off the GCD

demo shout comes late because it only lasts 8 seconds - you’re trying to pile ur dots/ravages in demo windows

[dawn marsh]

Oh I see cause Rav is on gcd but Avatar isn't.

Just read that Roar lasts 10sec and Ravager 11.1 so that makes sense 😂

[strong forum]

ravager also takes a bit to deal dmg after landing

it doesnt do dmg immediately

[ocean arrow]

So you’re charging in and popping avatar which is off the GCD to then follow with an immediate ravager - demo shout to start amping dmg and roar to follow up and it caught in the entire demo dmg window

[strong forum]

thats the goal

[ocean arrow]

What’s our thoughts on the IP nerf

30-15%

[strong forum]

has no real impact

cuz A) BV is still bugged
B) youre spamming IP a decent chunk anyway

this is only a nerf for ST, not for aoe dmg intake

[long stone]

maybe you can help me - i want to make the black dragon working hammer - but which inspiration is the best for it to use on it?

[open gazelle]

@strong forum FBV instead?

[ocean arrow]

Yeah makes sense - I’m sure we will see more of an effect in higher keys as we start to deplete the IPs a lot quicker but 15% is prolly still in line with strong IP uptime

[strong forum]

obv its a nerf and its there and stuff, but like, it doesnt change any of our choices or how tanky we've been so far

[ocean arrow]

No way on FBV

[strong forum]

its a needed nerf because being in ultra keys without bugged 30% BV woulda been beyond broken

[fading tide]

I starting leveling my warrior and I notice shield slam something’s triggers IP. Does that man I should never cast IP on my own?

[strong forum]

? no

ignore pain is your rage dump

if you have too much rage, you send IP

[fading tide]

Revenge isn’t my rage dump?

[strong forum]

both are

[tall cedar]

hey guys i did my m0 world tour and got ring from repuation , what else can i do?

[strong forum]

but often times you cant dump fast enough with revenge

[strong forum]

grind wrathion rep and rares

[tall cedar]

i still dont have professions tho

[strong forum]

and generally just grind renown

[ocean arrow]

Elemental chests - rares - bloody tokens

For player power

[tall cedar]

wrathion rep , what it gives?

[potent gulch]

What the point in exect blackdragon rep?

[plucky ocean]

Hey chat, anything posted about the brutal vitality/ignore pain nerf ? nothing to worry about right ?

[strong forum]

389 neck and 398 cloak

[potent gulch]

You can achieve it within next week?

[strong forum]

you can achieve it in 1 day

[torn gulch]

you can achieve it now

[tall cedar]

@strong forum does it matter which one we should

[strong forum]

if you go ultra hard

[potent gulch]

Key shit farming?

[strong forum]

yes

[strong forum]

wrathion

[torn gulch]

yes infinite keys

[potent gulch]

The other one doesn't give it???

[strong forum]

idk what sillmarillion gives

so i cant answer that

[potent gulch]

Shit I crafter neck with matrix :/

[torn gulch]

it is just me or that proc from the cobalt rep ring is pretty good?

[strong forum]

good or ultra broken max bis

[potent gulch]

Thanks for hint

[strong forum]

who knows 🤷‍♂️

[tall cedar]

btw can we craft 418 weapon or armor pieces from bs now

or does it take time

[strong forum]

you need the mythic materials

[torn gulch]

you don't have access to the materials yet

in the first place

or keys above 16

[tall cedar]

ic

[strong forum]

they only drop from 16+++ keys and mythic raid

[torn gulch]

you need 10 of those and 150 eternal chaos

to make one reagent

i am very curious if a 418 shield with embellisment will match a 421 normal shield, but that is probably a sim thing

[strong forum]

you can get embellishments on any crafted item

why does it have to be shield

rn its just a decent slot because you dont have access to higher ilvl ones

[proud dock]

do you wait until shild block buff is finished to shild charge?

[thin silo]

No, they stack duration

[proud dock]

so even if i just used SB i shld SC?

[toxic pewter]

I just checked wowhead apparently they both give the neck and the cloak so can grind either one. The differences are like toys and crap

[proud dock]

like keep SC on CD always

[sick sentinel]

what does the gold dragon vs silver dragon mean now, grey, whatever lol

[solar crown]

Does m+ open the coming week? Or is it another one with m0

[crimson sapphire]

13th/14th for m+ and raid

[last mason]

The nerf was pretty insignificant right

[open gazelle]

So to do list have m0 and heroic gear is farm wrathion and cobalt rep for ring and cloak? And also farm rares for potential drops? Missing anything else

[agile pebble]

Im struggling to find this YT content creator that was making in deep warrior tanking guides for EACH dungeon. Is he not streaming anymore?

[open gazelle]

In theory we should spend our first matrixes on low level gear slots that won’t be upgraded by future sparks crafts correct?

[real thunder]

Anyone know how the Eng/BS crafted gear is looking for us? Meaning is the gear we will get from raiding/M+ just better assuming you compare them at similar item level?

[vivid sluice]

From what I have seen there is some decent gear in there to get a head start, but mythic gear does seem to be a bit better,

[severe hatch]

This being the absorb shield?

[timid beacon]

Do the cobalt ring and wrathion cloak automatically come at 389 or does it scale with gear score?

[jade pulsar]

389

[timid beacon]

Nice. I guess time to grind some rep today for both

[open gazelle]

Those are the only rep grinds that reward gear that high atm correct?

[strong forum]

Yes

[severe hatch]

Excellent, thank you as always

[severe hatch]

You could also hit Maruuk rank 11 for 376 boots

[runic sparrow]

You can technically farm valdrakken rep, but realistically those two are the only ones.

[severe hatch]

Dragonscale expedition is also farmable

[static aspen]

what are best professions combo for prot warrior if i have a lot of gold ?

im not interested in farming profs

[runic sparrow]

How do you farm dragonscale? Haven't seen any reliable spots yet

[static aspen]

enchanting/alchemy? im lost

[cobalt seal]

Whatever you want

Really doesnt matter

[static aspen]

there is no power increase in profesions in df no ?

[storm merlin]

Engineering has CR
Alch has more phial duration
JC has unique gems (I think)

[static aspen]

so alchemy is still gives longer flask durations as it was before right

so its really nice to have

[autumn atlas]

Probably trell.

[wooden widget]

is my thunder clap sometimes refreshing ignore pain?

[open gazelle]

@wooden widget outburst

[wooden widget]

❤️

ty

[open gazelle]

Made a gearing to do list hope this helps

Save weekly world events towards end of the week as the drops scale with ilvl

[fading tide]

How much do I need to dumbbells# shoulder press in order to be a good tank?

[open gazelle]

@fading tide probably 80 pound dumbbells

[terse hollow]

Does the fuelled ny violence change mean much to us?

[plush pagoda]

is it worth saving sparks ?

[terse hollow]

Maybe but most of us didn't

[grave wedge]

does it matter if i choose wrath or sab

[plush pagoda]

what slot did you spend on?

[plush pagoda]

nah

[terse hollow]

I went for a shield cause more block

[plush pagoda]

tyvm

[terse hollow]

Put armor spikes on it

I've been happy with the choice so far

[plush pagoda]

mind dming me a pic ? id like to see what it does

[terse hollow]

I think the other one people are doing is the engineering goggles

The shield with spikes just gives % chance to do some reflect damage on hit

[plush pagoda]

no cosmetic change?

[sick sentinel]

that would be cool if they did show, but i think it would be too much work

[terse hollow]

Yeah no cosmetic change

[plush pagoda]

gotcha cause the tooltip doesnt say itll do dmg just adds spikes lol

[sick sentinel]

there could also be shield "bumps" too where its like, it does warlock curse of tongues mixed with the paladin seal that stuns RNG

concussive type

[terse hollow]

The feast gives gear? Also wouldn't week 1 wrathion rep be insanely hard to get?

[plush pagoda]

very tim consuming

i think its 200 keys to get to friendly

[runic sparrow]

Its not as bad as one would think. We managed to get it tuesday night in my guild

[sick sentinel]

if anybody knows why some mobs show with a yellow dragon and why there is also grey dragon mobs, cuz i know that they are different from rare mobs that are stars inside of a circle

i don't understand

[terse hollow]

Its a bad tooltip honestly but you can see what it does on that photo tho

[terse hollow]

Mind sharing your method?

[plush pagoda]

yea i got it now thanks friend

[runic sparrow]

Just 5 man squad in the 'basement' or whatever area where the spider is

If you kill fast enough they start almost instantly respawning

[terse hollow]

Just making endless keys?

[runic sparrow]

Stick to the area infront of the spider and the left wing

Yes

[plush pagoda]

darkmoon is tomorrow so theres the potential of more rep per key?

[runic sparrow]

We did also manage to get around 6k or so rep from the signet bug where you could turn in 1 and get rep for 10

But stopped once we realised it and didnt want to risk getting banned

[terse hollow]

Didn't even hear of this bug

But yeah is there a gear drop from the tuskarr feast thing?

[sweet summit]

from the weekly quest by it yeah

[runic sparrow]

They fixed it pretty fast, was fixed wednesday morning already

[tender cove]

Does raid open next reset or week after?

[sweet summit]

13th/14th

[tender cove]

ohh, noice

[sweet summit]

lots of time

no rush

[rose pilot]

which is the best zandalari buff as prot?

[tender cove]

I just get stressed reading about all the methods, bugs and glitchese I always miss every expo haha

[terse hollow]

The bans don't mean anything those guys who got to 400+ item level exploiting got a 3 day ban and I've hesrd nothing about roll backs

3 days is nothing when theres not much to be doing anyway

[cobalt seal]

3 days is alot

[tender cove]

not if they get to keep the items

[cobalt seal]

Alts exist

[tardy plaza]

Not when they already have multiple 400+ items

You couldn’t catch up to that in 3 days so they netted a profit on the ban lol

[sweet summit]

they'll be turbo behind on renown

[tardy plaza]

What happens in 3 days that they missed out on?

[tender cove]

Its only m0 and wrathion dailies todo right? I dont have todo all the other shit, renown etc?

[sweet summit]

3 days of no dirt digging

[tardy plaza]

That helps with 1 rep

[slim dove]

3days of touching grass in exchange for a bunch of ilvl 400, weapons included?

[sweet summit]

3 days of no hunts

[slim dove]

ez option to me lmao

[tardy plaza]

Plus again, they have multiple 400+ items that hunts/dirt wont give

[sweet summit]

3 days of no key farm

[slim dove]

key farm 🤮

[terse hollow]

I don't even know what hunts are but did hear its only like 363 gear or somethin crap

Is that right?

[tardy plaza]

How long does a decent key farm take to get the 389 pieces

[sweet summit]

centaur rep

[tender cove]

its plains thing you join and kill, kinda like the wild hunt in SL WQ.

[terse hollow]

Is the reward worth it ?

[sweet summit]

depends on who you ask

[terse hollow]

Cause if it is only 363 gear im out 😂

[tender cove]

no idea, haven't done it. I got warrior up, did m0 and now i'm leveling my paladin.

[lyric valley]

did they fix the cobalt rings for non-spell casters yet?

[sweet summit]

398 cloak

and 378(?) neck

[terse hollow]

Im asking as someone who only cares about gear progression and killing bosses 😂

[terse hollow]

That's wrathion, no?

[severe hatch]

It scales with ilvl

The hunt loot, that is

[terse hollow]

Oh fuck

[sweet summit]

are we not talking about key farms

you can only get gear 3x a week from grand hunt

[terse hollow]

So i gotta do hunts then? They daily or weekly?

[sweet summit]

active all the time

[terse hollow]

What do i Google to learn about tjem 😂

[sweet summit]

nothing

look at map

show up

follow instructions

[trim bay]

If you want a free game

Play something else

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[terse hollow]

Ugh i have to open my map and go somewhere 😂

Outrageous

[neon fossil]

LOL

[sick sentinel]

new QRD

[gilded bear]

Hello. Is prot warrior the best tank for M+ right now? I'm out from wow since start of S4 lol

[sick sentinel]

i'd imagine they'll be fine, haven't done beta

still only lvl 69.2

[slim dove]

they are very strong.

best tank will be what you are best at playing

[lyric valley]

I accidentally tanked a heroic in battle stance with 340 gear and never went under 80% health, it's pretty good

[gilded bear]

I'm asking just because I'll start to level right now and in doubt between prot and feral lol

[jagged pier]

and i tanked all of m0s at 320 in bstance

because u dont need to be in d stance

[strong forum]

You won't need d-stance for a while

[neon fossil]

yea i've not needed it at all. Even in M0

Even on some major gigachad pulls haha

[fading tide]

What’s my squat need to be at in order to start tanking mythic zeros?

[strong forum]

be level 70

[fading tide]

Trying to get big like Garrosh

[strong forum]

need to deadlift minimum 250kg

[slim dove]

400 wilks

or leave the discord

[neon fossil]

First time I use it. I got 2230 Crit, 12 second.

Vers 1660 for 6 seconds.

Seems to offer stats based on different timers.

[blazing condor]

i squat 300kg every time i drop food on the floor and pick it up

[neon fossil]

huh

[fading tide]

Gotta eat big to get big

[blazing condor]

amen

[tardy plaza]

Do you like dragons roar over buffing shockwave?

[neon fossil]

yes

[tardy plaza]

DR such low dmg, the dot is even underwhelming :/

[jagged pier]

no

[neon fossil]

You do realise it buffs REND?!

[neon fossil]

"ALL Bleed"\

[jagged pier]

also using Shockwave as a DPS cooldown is really really bad

[tardy plaza]

I know how to read but my shockwave goes from nil dmg to top 6 dmging abilities and usable farm more often with the 2 points raken from DR

[open gazelle]

Sonic boom is fine for m0 please change to TR for m+ week

[tardy plaza]

Reasoning?

[severe hatch]

More dps while retaining shockwave as a CC tool

[open gazelle]

Bleed dam, shockwave should be used for interrupts, don’t match it up with dps cds that’s dumb

[jagged pier]

its more damage overall regardless

[severe hatch]

Cobalt Assembly ring pretty balanced YEP

[severe hatch]

I'm not sure what you're saying that I'm not

[bold wave]

btw is the dps ring from cobalt bugged on prot war too?

[jagged pier]

we cant proc it

[bold wave]

k

[jagged pier]

we have no spells

[neon fossil]

why go for the shield one?

[bold wave]

true

[severe hatch]

Because the DPS one isn't functioning

[sweet summit]

it is fixed

[lyric elm]

ya its absolutely busted

[jagged pier]

i dunno nome said earlier we cant

🤷

[severe hatch]

I have one in my bags, I'll test

[slim dove]

works fine for my DH buddy but idk what of theres is considerd "spells"

[strong forum]

ring is fixed?

:poggin=

[neon fossil]

It works fine

[sweet summit]

ye

[neon fossil]

here

[severe hatch]

confirmed

[slim dove]

disgusting

[sweet summit]

it's strong

[strong forum]

ring didnt proc a single time on this rare

:susge

[slim dove]

yeah not proccing at all for me

4.4mil hp rare, 0 procs

[severe hatch]

My test was on a turnip

[cobalt seal]

how many procs?

[strong forum]

now it procced once

56k crit

balanced

[lyric elm]

havent gotten around to get the ring yet, but i guess ill get the dps ring on my DH

[bold wave]

will get nerfed anyway then

[strong forum]

has to

both the tank and the dps ring are op

[severe hatch]

Hope they compensate with higher secondaries

[strong forum]

prolly the heal one troo

[slim dove]

can we proc the heal trinket

🤔

[open gazelle]

You can buy both right?

Can you equip both?

[cobalt seal]

unique equip

[strong forum]

unique

[teal bloom]

Anyone worried about the nerfs to brutal vitality?

[strong forum]

not at all

[severe hatch]

Tested on some Djaradin mooks:

[round delta]

wow

didnt expected that shield charge do more damage that Revenge

[severe hatch]

It was a short test, just confirming that the ring procs on non target dummies

[latent jungle]

hi peeps, i picked up a 372 Primal Ritual Shell, hows it being rated vs other trnkets? cant seem to find much on it and dont have many replacements for it atm...

[fair shadow]

what gear are we crafting this week?

[slim dove]

i crafted shield

[sweet summit]

nothing

[severe hatch]

I'm curious if we have any top contenders for our spark of ingenuity (obviously not using it this week)

Really impossible to evaluate these items without knowing their proc rates

[sick sentinel]

any idea if forgestorm proc is worth any ilvls?

[strong forum]

around 3-5

not more

[sick sentinel]

how do you guys feel about these talents (lvl 69.5 atm, 1 more to go probably in 15 more rage)

[severe hatch]

Every day I become more convinced that yogi is a high-level troll

Crafting messages with precision

[uneven mason]

Save it

See where you are with gear when raids open

[solar blade]

check pins for good talent trees

[severe hatch]

I appreciate and share the sentiment; hence why I noted (obviously not using it this week). My question is if we know any of these unique embellishment procs that are standing above the rest

[fading tide]

Icy veins and wowhead guides are the same?

[solar blade]

check the pins for all the builds guys

[cobalt seal]

He is just drunk all the time

[sick sentinel]

well, your welcome to believe im a troll if you want i guess

[severe hatch]

It's okay man, I appreciate the craft

[sick sentinel]

i remember being told a wide variety of advice sites "are bad, or wrong"

so, who to trust really?

[cobalt seal]

Google

[main silo]

Hows the Alacritous Alchemist Stone? thinking about possibly crafting it...