protection

[neon fossil]

So Im trying to craft this. Does it matter that it's higher quality item?

[lusty grotto]

its for crafters, you dont need to be concerned about it

ok then you do need to be concerned about it

higher quality = higher ilvl

384 is base

it can go up

[loud patrol]

add an embelish

[lusty grotto]

better crafting equipment stats = make item better
better reagents = make item better

[loud patrol]

the well fed one is really useful for prob

prog*

[lusty grotto]

its not hard to figure out

[neon fossil]

OKay I understand now.

[lusty grotto]

which is why we use spark for that shield

i guess i should mention that it goes up in ilvl

when i shill around for it 😄

and when i simp for crafting orders

[neon fossil]

Wait I should or shouldnt craft this shield?

[lusty grotto]

yes

i should set up a Nimchipbot

yes craft that shield

spark => primal molten defender

[loud patrol]

i wonder how to get the power infuse

[lusty grotto]

keys and raids

cant go up till season starts

pretty sure

but then we just recraft with them so we upgrade that shield

pretty glad recrafting is a thing too

[blazing condor]

Blazebinder's hoof kinda mid? doesnt seem too bad if it procs

[red wave]

When does Ravager's damage clip? Trying to think test out perfected burst on AE Ramp.

I'm thinking
Avatar -> TClap -> Ravager -> TClap -> Dragon Roar -> TClap -> Shield Charge, and what I've been toying with so far.

[minor helm]

Any more of these coming out after the raid or when game dies down some?

[wild hemlock]

do we TC on cd during avatar

over revenge depending on rage?

[lusty grotto]

ravager should be dynamic

so whenever avatar is up

and then clips down when avatar fades

[wary heath]

do you guys like pain and gain, even if upwards up 30-40% of it is overheals

[lusty grotto]

there's not much alternatives, depends on dungeon really

[lusty grotto]

wrecking can do giga dmg but you need absorbs to be present

[wary heath]

other alternative being side arm I guess? not sure where the point would go

[lusty grotto]

how are you gonna get reinforced then?

scratch that

i forget crushing

i guess sidearm is a good option

[wary heath]

it's around 3% like nails right ?

[lusty grotto]

hmm yeah kind of

its just a throughput plus though

so still good

[wary heath]

so subtracting overheals, PnG did basically 9% of my overall healing in the dungeon, but it's exact usefulness is questionable to me since it could be when im at a time of 99.99% health, hard for me to quantify

still seems good overall

[strong forum]

probably

[wary heath]

any healing is useful

[lusty grotto]

its great but perhaps right now it's not needed

[minor helm]

[lusty grotto]

we'll see once season starts though

[wary heath]

for sure

[tidal pelican]

Healers are blasting damage. Any time they dont need to heal you and can dps is a plus imo

[lusty grotto]

dont really need it for that

[lusty tiger]

this is our "legendary" slot of choice if u will then?

[lusty grotto]

i suppose so?

[wary heath]

actually looks like I already had sidearm by accident instead of overhwleming rage

it was 1.8% of my damage

[lusty grotto]

overwhelming rage isnt needed though

we're not running banner

[wary heath]

where would you spend that extra 1-2 points from OWR and SA ? if you dropped them?

[lusty grotto]

can do BT

depends on what you have really

[loud patrol]

lmao im stuck

everytime i try to log in i get disconected

[lusty grotto]

thats happened to a few people i know heh

small indie company, you know

[urban portal]

you shouldnt drop overwhelming rage

[lusty tiger]

youre saying switch to OR > SA

[urban portal]

its good because you can now pool more rage into revenge

[lusty tiger]

this felt great at 60

[urban portal]

instead of burning rage on IP which may or may not overcap you

[drifting pewter]

Was happening to me constantly yesterday

[urban portal]

and theres obviously sims that knows better than any of us

[loud patrol]

best part is

[lusty grotto]

yeah i guess that makes sense

[loud patrol]

their stuck charater service offline doesnt work

[modern brook]

IDK OWR feels like a QoL imporvment to me

I can see people dropping 1 or both points from it for other stuff

there just currently isnt other stuff id rather have

[lusty grotto]

OWR might be best with BT though

paired rather

[lusty tiger]

without it sometimes ill ip + rev at like 80ish rage and if i dont get an ss proc after im F'd

[modern brook]

I dont think they have as much impact on eachother as yall are thinking

[urban portal]

OWR is a dps option just like everything else is

[modern brook]

its not like we pool rage to dump

[urban portal]

what are we trying to drop OWR for again?

[lusty tiger]

sidearm

or the bleed one i think

[urban portal]

it doesnt go into any bleed tlaents

[modern brook]

Also: are we taking BT again? i thought the cost was prohibitive

[lusty grotto]

pain and gain probably

[urban portal]

and owr vs sidearm is just a sim question

[lusty grotto]

we arent but OWR kind of synergizes with it

[strong forum]

this is what i run rn

[lusty grotto]

following that logic

[strong forum]

titanic throw proves to be really nice

[modern brook]

big throw pog

[urban portal]

i told you titanic thorw wasnt bad

[modern brook]

no honed reflexs?

[urban portal]

honed reflex is bad cuz shield slam CD isnt real

[lusty tiger]

i too have been not wanting to press shockwave

get to pickup both TR talents too

nice spec

[mellow quartz]

shockwave doesn't matter in m0

it becomes really good in m+

[lusty tiger]

its a whole global not making or spending rage

[mellow quartz]

you don't take shockwave for the damage though

[lusty tiger]

ye ik

[minor helm]

Oooh uproars a tank talent

[lusty tiger]

it is handy af

[minor helm]

[long stone]

nand your other?

[urban portal]

shockwave does decent dam

[lusty grotto]

what have you done nome

[urban portal]

@minor helm remember some dude trying to convince us shockwave on arms is good

[minor helm]

Man dude

[drifting pewter]

Was this for m+?

[strong forum]

no

[lusty grotto]

lol

[strong forum]

just trivial content

[drifting pewter]

Oh woops I just looked rn

[mellow quartz]

cutting 33% of your roar CD is great when you can run in and pull 5 packs at a time in m0

[lusty tiger]

is that itf?

[strong forum]

ya i did over 40k dps in AA HC already

[long stone]

hahaha

[minor helm]

[heavy temple]

is the forgestorm weapon good

or crap

since it has no str

[strong forum]

omega good

[heavy temple]

noice

i wasnt sure if good or bad for tanks 😄

[mellow quartz]

technically makes you less tanky but good dps

will be an obsolete weapon when m+ starts though

[heavy temple]

ye

of course

but what else is there to do now 😄

😄

[lusty grotto]

until the season where neltharus shows up (DF s2?)

xD

[heavy temple]

cant wait for the grind

live to WIN

[blazing condor]

im still only level 64

can't rush art

[modern brook]

my war also 64

we cna level together :^)

[strong forum]

ya cant wait for m+ release

[blazing condor]

pog

[heavy temple]

i hope s1 never ends

becuase whatever the fuck halls of infusion is

i dont want anything to do with it

[lusty tiger]

i think the rota is smart

[heavy temple]

ofc

[lusty tiger]

we get a couple weeks to try em all

[heavy temple]

i just hate this one 😄

[lusty tiger]

yea it is annoying

for my healer

[loud patrol]

if i get a halls key im changing it

that fcking final hallway is hell

[open gazelle]

Wait sidearm is bad?

[novel kernel]

It would be fine if they made the waves overlap into the other "lane" a little smaller. Then it wouldnt be excessive movement if you get unlucky and you could sidestep is rather efficiently

[lusty tiger]

more like interchangeable

[placid vale]

Guys, into the fray or repercussions for M+?

[lusty grotto]

are you new to prot?

[placid vale]

I am

[lusty grotto]

do HR for now

[placid vale]

Ok. Will do.

[lusty grotto]

a bit harder to optimize for ITF / sb uptime etc

[placid vale]

I see

[lusty grotto]

just a tad, but probably best to do HR to get used to it

[lusty tiger]

if youre doing a dungeon with only 1 melee we still want itf?

[loud patrol]

i mean with shield charge you dont really need HR yet

[placid vale]

Whats our opener for dmg?

[lusty grotto]

itf depends on how big you pull if less melee/pets

[lusty tiger]

pets count!

?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[placid vale]

Avatar Ravager Thunder Cry and Demo shout?

[lusty tiger]

so a demo in my party should be... sufficient?

[lusty grotto]

depends how close imps are

[neon fossil]

@lusty grotto is it worth crafting armor spikes on the shield?

[lusty grotto]

like the old ones?

[neon fossil]

im not sure

[lusty grotto]

there are no new armor spikes so

no

[lusty grotto]

that hasnt been a thing in... a few expansions

oh

you meant the reagent

probably to push for more quality yea

depends if you need it for a quality push

[smoky dock]

Anyone know where to get crimson combatant plans or where to farm them?

[lusty grotto]

yikes idk why i thought about shield spikes consume

you can put your mouse over the "i"

right next to recipe unlearned

for all recipes

[smoky dock]

Yes I know thanks so pvp thought you could just farm it from a mob.

[neon fossil]

is it an absolute must you push the quality now? Can we upgrasde teh shield later?

[lusty grotto]

you can

by recrafting

however i dont know the mats for recrafting

idk if it'll ask for another spark for example

probably not but still

[neon fossil]

Just the pattern for shield spikes is a bit of a grind and they are selling for 100k and then about another 100k for 3 tier shield. Seems alot for 1 item

[lusty grotto]

like i said, its possible you dont need it at all for a quality push

depends on your crafter stats

you need to pay attention to this

the bar shows you if you can go to a higher quality

[neon fossil]

if i was to craft it

[lusty grotto]

i doubt a spike is gonna get you over

so... dont bother, grind it out later and recraft

[neon fossil]

ok

I guess i got super lucky\

[lusty grotto]

nice man, grats 🙂

theres 2 other levels of quality so can probably bump it up a lot more with better crafter stats and/or reagents

with recrafting

[sudden heron]

im so confused with bs lol

[lusty grotto]

look i wish i could help out but this isnt the crafting channel

id say dont learn professions thinking that you need it

just place a crafting order

everything is crafted ordered now nd bound to you if you place it

the days of leveling a profession for a particular item are over

[silent anchor]

damn, sure mine was vers/mast :/

[lusty grotto]

or i should say gear

did you use missives?

you can recraft with the proper missive

and make sure you get the right stats

but you do need Sculpted Armor as part of the Armorsmith spec to use them

[tidal barn]

What professions are u guys rolling with?

[loud patrol]

i have my warrior with herb/mining and my bdk with bs/alch

[grave crane]

Alc and inscription fort gold making

[pallid quiver]

Do you know if we're able to research again for alchemy? Because it suuuure would be nice to be able to make money with alchemy. :L

[loud patrol]

nope

not yet

[grave crane]

dont think so

[open gazelle]

Can only get loot from world events once per week correct?

[sweet summit]

depends on event

[lusty grotto]

no... you can keep going, its just the reward will be less each time

[thin silo]

Hunts go from purple bag to blue to green to white, for example

[lusty grotto]

epic chest/reward is once a week yea

then blues are what, 2 times in a row or something?

then greens all around etc like Mirthstrike says

[sick sentinel]

don't think im a fan of nokhud offensive, gunna have to try that one again lol

[gentle notch]

After a particularly nasty Brackenhide Hollow run I am starting at the Warrior tree trying to figure out what I can drop for Berserker Rage.

[pallid quiver]

Sidearm and Pain and Gain, if using Nome's tree, would be first picks if you need it,

Sidearm more than Pain and Gain. It's still not that much more damage, iirc

[coral badger]

what stat goals should i be working towards for prot? im using into the fray also.

[pallid quiver]

more ilvl

[loud patrol]

people saying brackenhide is bad idk what they do at the final hallway of halls

[pallid quiver]

But if you're gonna use ITF, you're gonna want some mongo haste among anything of the same ilvl

It'll help smooth shield block uptime without HR

[pallid quiver]

Pulling a lot of the 5-hour long fear guys is suffering in Brackenhide

[coral badger]

is there a certain % i should hit while having itf?

[gentle notch]

Yeah I was thinking the same. Might need to set up some alt trees to activate in specific instances

[pallid quiver]

From what I've seen, you can giga pull everything else at the moment, so it just cripples your momentum

[pallid quiver]

It also depends on whether you're running bolster or not. It's really just to ensure you can keep Shield Block up at all times you're tanking. ITF's haste is just a flat bonus percentage, so it doesn't suffer from diminishing returns like haste rating

[forest pagoda]

We still going Haste > Vers?

[pallid quiver]

The reason you pickup ITF over HR is to try and sneak out ever so slightly more AoE damage. It can potentially be less ST damage since you likely will never have full stacks in boss fights, actually, as well

[loud patrol]

i prefer that over the bullying that is halls ;_;

[pallid quiver]

Haste is still the highest value stat for us by a good margin, so yes, though ilvl with str is even more important for those new to the discussion who might look at this

I think crit is supposed to be equal or close to vers, but it doesn't matter quite as much as how important haste is

[coral badger]

i havent been running Bolster yet, what situations is it better for?

[pallid quiver]

Makes us generate rage faster, meaning we can spend more faster. Increases damage and survivability the most

[pallid quiver]

You need a combination of any two shield block talents in order to keep 100% uptime

Without them, with our current haste levels, you will most likely have a drop in uptime at some point

shield block is the thing that makes us actually tanky, so being able to have it up at all times is godlike

[coral badger]

i do have champion's bulwark and enduring defences

[pallid quiver]

I thiiiiink bulwark still doesn't make you entirely safe off the top of my head, since it hasn't been registering as a shield block talent in my head, but don't hold me to that

[coral badger]

45s cd on shield charge, procs shield block

[pallid quiver]

In general, though, you rock Bolster if you pick ITF because shield block runs a heavy chance of running out. This is where the damage benefit of ITF stops being as far- I'm aware of what it does, it just doesn't register as one of the "three" (actually four with that) talents, I'm assuming due to the math- ahead as it could be, since you lose out on Tough as Nails

[coral badger]

ok im a noob, this is my current talent setup

11% haste without itf buff on

[pallid quiver]

I'd go with Fueled By Violence still at the moment over Brutal Vit until tier set makes it ultra bungo and I think it's still bugged and doesn't work right unless that's been updated since iirc it's slightly more overall effective healing, and you'd just swap Tough as Nails to Bolster, but that's the general talent tree. That being said, I'd recommend looking at Nome's builds in the pin and using the general Heavy Repercussions one anyhow for the sheer virtue of it doing more ST damage guaranteed

Since bosses are the more problematic parts of a lot of dungeons at the moment

what with their tendency to murderlize your DPS and Heals

That being said, if you can keep 100% shield block uptime in your runs with your talent setup, it would technically be better than having Bolster since it's more damage and you wouldn't need the shield block uptime

[jade pulsar]

is this anything to have?

[loud patrol]

nope

[sand pebble]

i found barb training and bv go well together - you get to keep some ip gains and spend that rage on revenge, the bug is annoying (stops after 100%) and fvb when no barb training

[strong forum]

yes forgestorm is very very good

[sand pebble]

highest ilvl generally best, proc is nice and haste/crit is nice

[jade pulsar]

got this atm

[sand pebble]

forge more haste + proc, deffo better

[jade pulsar]

thinking if i should give it away or not

[coral badger]

Also another question, Slam does way less damage than revenge with the same cost, is it worth using for anything?

[sand pebble]

slam? remove from bars

[coral badger]

i did lol

[strong forum]

forgestorm is bis

[sand pebble]

slam is arms/fury filler spell

[strong forum]

it beats until like 3-5ilvl

[jade pulsar]

oke ty

[split trellis]

same with whirlwind ?

[sand pebble]

yes

[long stone]

damn got the plans for the black dragon blacksmithhammer

[lime vine]

Hello! Anyone got a 60-70 dung spamming talent build?

[fleet sorrel]

Anyone else excited to see how high they can get their Prot Warrior in solo shuffle? Since all our specs are rated separately I think it'll be fun playing as the "fun police" in arena haha

[gusty violet]

Okey, which shield is better? I cant decide

[round delta]

when the decisions are between haste mastery, or haste crit, seems like haste crit is better isnt it? obviously i know that is Ilvl>haste>versa>crit>mastery more or less

[round delta]

i guess haste versa

[sand pebble]

stat prio in pins

ilvl > haste > crit = vers > mastery

[slim dove]

primal by miles.

[gusty violet]

Okey, thanks 🙂

[lost fern]

so whats these high ilvl trinkets people were talking about near wrathion? ive completed all quests there that i know of

[median swan]

Do professions really matter that much this xpac? Ive got two gathering professions but am thinking about dropping one or both since the mat prices have started to dip a little bit

[sand pebble]

only that someone on your server has them leveled so you can get things crafted as needed via work orders

as to you needing them personally, no - they have some nice perks though

[median swan]

Interesting.. havent heard anything about those work orders

[slim dove]

think its just some shit off the rares, nothing amazing or "must get"

[lost fern]

ah ok, some guy was saying real late last night it was from a quest, not rares or rep farming so was confused where i hadnt heard of it anywhere before

[slim dove]

i could be wrong, it is only 5 days after launch lol

[sand pebble]

what did trinket do?

[dusty drift]

Where does that proc come from on Primal Molten Defender?

[sand pebble]

its an optional emblishment

armor spikes i believe

[lusty grotto]

you cant make shield of hearth, it needs raid crafting materials

there's only 1 choice

[sand pebble]

what raid mat you need to craft soth?

[lusty grotto]

actually its not a raid mat

[dusty drift]

You can craft it, just not a high ilvl yet

[lusty grotto]

idk why i keep repeating that, some idiot said so the other day

but its rough to get if you dont know an engineer

[dusty drift]

What is?

[sand pebble]

nah

[lusty grotto]

Earthen Soul

[sand pebble]

easy wow comment guide

[lusty grotto]

ok its actually not that hard

[sand pebble]

buy an engineering thing and a jc thing, goto waking shores, channel the thing into a mob, wait 15 mins and collect

[lusty grotto]

the titan soul might be harder maybe

depending on drop rate

and also it depends if can buy the recipe off someone lol

[sand pebble]

5% drop rate on orb

[lusty grotto]

seems like a lot of farming for a versa proc lol

good luck guys

defender seems fine to me 🙂

[sand pebble]

i almost bought the pattern for 19k yesterday, decided not to because i want food buffs to last through death and either the armor spikes or stacking haste buff on attyack new mob emblishments

[foggy ruin]

so i got this dagger from a rare, is there any downside to using daggers on prot

[severe steeple]

for one it lacks STR

[sand pebble]

no main stat

[foggy ruin]

ah i see

true

[pallid quiver]

You can also get a few other procs, like a 50% duration increase on potions

[loud patrol]

yeah defender 100% fine

[urban portal]

you do technically get more devastator procs

[lost fern]

i can make that shield if anyone wants. i got the recipe from fishing, just dm me and we can setup a personal crafting order

[lusty grotto]

nice

what were you fishing?

[lost fern]

just all the pools at the river mouth fishing spot hotspot

fishing hole*

[lusty grotto]

ah i see

i was there the entire morning lol

[lost fern]

you have fishing gear?

[lusty grotto]

just artifact honestly

its not even good for DF fishing cause no stats

[lost fern]

ah, yeah if u can get a rod, the best gives like +90 perception

and iirc it increases rares(?)

[lusty grotto]

hmm

[craggy pilot]

what are people doing in the game currently? im 366 feel like i have nothing to do after clearing all M0, just waiting for M+ to open up 🤔

[urban portal]

gym

life

[lusty grotto]

farming rep and stuff very slowly

[craggy pilot]

just clearing out the zones for quests and WQs?

[lusty grotto]

no just using the dumb shovel and stuff for the most part

and getting crafting mats

spamming heroics

mostly for primal chaos

[granite zealot]

Hey guys I have a question about prot warrior CDs that I can't seem to find a clear answer to. Do I want to be saving my Thunderous Roar and Ravager for when Avatar is up, or use them on CD?

[lusty grotto]

also getting ready to level alts

its hard to align them with avatar tbh

it benefits you if you do but with AM that's kind of difficult

if avatar is close from being off-CD you should hold

[granite zealot]

Yea you have to either wait like 30-45 seconds on them or on avatar one. I watched Dorkibear's video about prot warrior and it made it seem like they should be used at the same time.

[lusty grotto]

its beneficial if you do so yea

[pallid quiver]

It's nice to stack

you'll pretty much always send on CD unless you won't get full benefit, though

(eg Thunderous Roar, mobs die before bleed gets duration out, Avatar only for like 2 seconds before mobs die, etc)

[topaz blade]

so when gearing should I keep any heroic BiS pieces until I get a mythic version or just go for ilvl when it comes to weapons

[granite zealot]

Gotcha thanks!

[lusty grotto]

always go for ilvl

[topaz blade]

thanks

[lusty grotto]

ESPECIALLY on shield and weapons

[topaz blade]

I have a heroic strike twice and I got a 363 sword from a wq

so I just thought I'd ask and see which would be better

[compact jackal]

Infurious Helm is just better than the Frostfire belt isn't it?

[slim dove]

depends on ppm

[strong forum]

Helmet is better ye

[slim dove]

im making boots first anyways next spark cuz pvp

[toxic pewter]

Is there any combination of engineer helm that is good

[compact jackal]

Thank god I decided to buy the recipe over the belt then

Looking at it I'm guessing if we don't do the crafting item ones we want the bracers + helm?

[strong forum]

What do bracers do

[compact jackal]

I think at default ilvl it's like 47 vers for every person up to 4 within 30y

so basically a flat 200

[strong forum]

That's 1%

Eh

Shield might be better

[compact jackal]

2.2 PPM vs conditional though

[strong forum]

Ya idk what's the 2nd gonna be

Helmet is great, that's for sure

[compact jackal]

I went with the other shield because I'd rather have the haste/vers over crit/mast

[lusty grotto]

you can change those with missives though

[strong forum]

Can't change embellished

[compact jackal]

Can't on the guaranteed stat ones

[strong forum]

Crit mast is bad anyway

[lusty grotto]

oh its only defender that can be swapped

[strong forum]

You don't want haste/vers exclusively

[lusty grotto]

but not hearth

[strong forum]

A mix of all stats is good, with a focus on haste

[compact jackal]

Oh I know, and I can change it ofc, but it seems like m+ has a strange amount of mastery

and flexibility > rigid

And with 2.2 PPM it looks like as long as you can sustain the conditional that even at 2* it's more vers than a 3* shield?

[strong forum]

Haven't looked at m+ gear

Will see it when I get it

[pallid quiver]

Do you happen to know the PPM for the spiked shield embellishment, by the way?

[compact jackal]

Not a clue, I only know the hearth because someone said it in here

[pallid quiver]

Might help push the primal shield ahead

[compact jackal]

I'll craft mine when the raid pops out

Either helm+bracers or helm+neck probably

[pallid quiver]

i mean there's also technically the 50% potion duration, but i don't think that'll be as good for us

i ain't no math nerd tho so

[compact jackal]

I'm just really wondering how it'll be possible to 5* a mythic ilvl crafted item

[hoary parcel]

hella overwhelmed by Blacksmithing :0 no idea what tree to specialize in for gud gear

[compact jackal]

Without missives, it's looking like if I 30/30 my shield crafting I'll still need an inspired to get 5* at the base ilvl

[compact jackal]

I just looked at the epics and went off that tbh. Crafting orders are where the janky stuff happens.

[spring falcon]

whats a good ilvl to start tanking m0?

[strong forum]

Anything

M0s arent hard

[pallid quiver]

Any, just don't mess up mechanics

[spring falcon]

cool

[pallid quiver]

Take your time, too, if you need

[spring falcon]

thanks

[pallid quiver]

The DPS and Heals are the ones who should be concerned

they drop like flies

[compact jackal]

There's only like what, 2 fights in m0 that can be rippy?

[pallid quiver]

final boss of ruby life pools is pain if you don't get dispelled

five stacks of storm slam makes me concerned

[compact jackal]

Yeah, I was thinking 2+3 in Ruby

Azure is going to be interesting on tyrannical with the Oculus rip-off.

[fast knot]

Nokhud Offensive last boss without a dispel kind of hurt too

Joys of bringing a new healer to the plate stack

[compact jackal]

Nokhud is going to be kind of funny for routing. If the route seriously involves the mount spam leaking to the last boss I'll laugh every time.

[strong forum]

Notgood offensive

Also, halls of infusion can go fuck itself

Awful dungeon

[compact jackal]

thank god it's not in the rotation along with Trash filled hollow

[slim dove]

whats the ppm on armor spikes?

[ebon wren]

Battery Ram bugged? I'm seeing no increased crit % from it

like identical crit chance back to back runs, one with and one without :/

[craggy pilot]

how many times did you Shield Charge in the dungeons?

[tender cove]

on cooldown pretty much, so on avg once per minute given some downtime

[craggy pilot]

and how many times did it crit then?

seems kinda odd though

[tender cove]

ohh, nvm. I'm tired. i read the question wrong

ignore me

maintaince on a saturday is so meh...

[craggy pilot]

well i think entire AH is pretty fucked currently

[torn gulch]

the fact that you can't change stats on the heart shield is kinda meh i was thinking of going all the way to 418 with it

[craggy pilot]

people being DCd left and right

[compact jackal]

I DC every 3rd time I open my professions

[craggy pilot]

didnt count but ye quite often

and sometimes just when Dragonriding

[pallid quiver]

downside is that we then have to have both of them next season

[compact jackal]

Please no

I don't want to spend fifty years killing gnolls that are CC immune and have diseases and fears I have to interrupt

[spice pivot]

Why do guilds recruit multiple tanks then only allow 2 of them to raid............

[compact jackal]

Because they really want to help you make DW 1H fury great again

[spice pivot]

blasphemy!

[full venture]

Because if someone is unavailable they need a reliable fill

[pallid quiver]

^^^

The larger majority of guilds just want to be able to raid with slottable people. They don't actually want you to tank; they just need you in case their actual wanted tank wants to go a sports game or some shit

It's 100% easier if you're not established to go in as DPS and then express interest in tanking and try to eventually weasel in a spot, generally

[compact jackal]

Building that group dynamic goes a long way.

[ebon wren]

shield charge had 17% crits, 9 out of 53 casts with it talented. Maybe its only affecting main target? I untalented it, just had 20% crits in brackenhide (24 out of 116). With it talented should be seeing over 30%. testing again

*sorry not casts, but hits

melee % was up by the appropriate amount

[vale mauve]

hey guys.. do i use ignore pain on cd in dungeons or shield block

[pallid quiver]

ignore pain is poo-poo in comparison to shield block

You can also easily get 100% uptime on shield block, which you should, since the large majority of damage intake is physical

You then ignore pain on top of that with any excess rage you have (you'll have a lot of overflow if you're playing right. If you're not overflowing rage, revisit one of the rotation guides like Mwahi's on IcyVeins and double check that you're doing the rotation right)

[vale mauve]

you have a talent example for me? i have a 14 sec cd on shield block right now

[compact jackal]

Heavy Repercussions, Champion's Bulwark, Honed Reflexes are 3 that help

[pallid quiver]

well, you can "stack" shield block stuff

Up to three times its duration

So without Enduring Defenses, it's 18 seconds, 24 seconds with Enduring Defenses

For talents,

Nome's got multiple builds, and they're all capable of 100% shield block uptime

[vale mauve]

will check my talents now, thanks for the reply @pallid quiver @compact jackal

[compact jackal]

also, m0 is so easy you could have 0% uptime and just unga dps

[viral field]

I haven’t pressed shield block once in m0s yet and just run around with 100k ignore pains and pumping damage

[compact jackal]

If you're not pulling enough trash that you live and everyone else dies are you really doing it right?

[pallid quiver]

If you are, you're playing terribly wrong, because shield block increases the damage of Shield Slam.

so at the very least, you're losing damage

[sick sentinel]

i did the agression dungeon

i hate it

[viral field]

What would be considered “good”damage for a 350ilvl prot war right now?

Overall

[sick sentinel]

healer probably: "the first dungeon you can fly in in 18 years, and you choose to walk and run"

old habits die hard, i told him

68.5 lvl, might get there tomorrow

trying t9 do side quests as well

[pallid quiver]

Uhhhh, for me at least, I'm pulling like 16k in extended ST, iirc? though i keep continuously forgetting to use my trinket and i'm not using any consumables, at least

AOE damage wildly depends on how much I'm allowed to pull before the DPS decide to just instant die, so it's faster to pull smaller so they can at least contribute

I've spiked up to like 200k before, but, uh,

lmao academy

More reasonable aoe's like 30-40k

[jaunty canopy]

for anyone wondering, in my short sample on beta just now, blacksmithing armor spike proced 8 times in 4 mins and 51 sec with about 15- mobs smacking me around the whole time. Went into Hoa and just afked mostly while i waited

so like 2ppm ish

[pallid quiver]

i can't easily check overalls at the moment, so can't give you a number there

haven't really been logging or tracking

[viral field]

Okay yeah I’m losing some damage ST then for sure, did an academy earlier, ended at 27k overall doing about 15-16k on bosses

And 11k overall hps

[pallid quiver]

on a good chunk of fights I'm only at like 9k hps

can't heal myself if i don't take damage zzzzzz

[sand pebble]

you are losing more than 'some damage', you are losing 30% base shield slam damagebefore any of it modifyers

outburst shield slam for 100-200k

[jaunty canopy]

Shield block also makes you take less damage, meaning your ignore pains last longer, meaning you can dump more rage into revenge.

[sand pebble]

thats a fairly confusing statement taken at a glance

[jaunty canopy]

that better?

[sand pebble]

ty 🙂

[jaunty canopy]

^_^

[ebon wren]

I run almost 80% uptime on ignore pain 🤷‍♂️

[mellow quartz]

always nice

damn they nerfed brutal vitality from 30% down to 15%

and buffed FbV

[sand pebble]

might stop it from hitting cap and not working anymore

fbv change is nice considering it only heals when you took damage

[loud patrol]

i mean i didnt have problems with threat

[sand pebble]

same

[loud patrol]

only if a dh used their cds at the very start of the pack

[pallid quiver]

i heard people coming in here talking about threat problems

i haven't noticed it, but i guess it existed?

[sand pebble]

nah ret/enh/devoker all had huge upfront burst causing some minor issues - i could see an issue for non warr tanks though

an it was only in big packs

eg entire first room of academy

[warm plinth]

that moment when they nerf brutal vitality when it wasn't even working properly 😂

[sand pebble]

when some bad popped all their shit before grouped

[loud patrol]

we need it

[warm plinth]

We did man, our health was in danger of moving

😏

[mellow quartz]

nerfed an overperforming talent

[sand pebble]

just gets us back to 100% faster in a few ticks now

[blazing dirge]

You guys show health bars on your ui still?

[mellow quartz]

buffed an udnerpoerforming one

[warm plinth]

LOL

[slim dove]

tanks have health bars?

[loud patrol]

no

[slim dove]

thought that was a dps/healer mechanic

[pallid quiver]

I need to look at it to know if my healer dispelled me or not on last boss of ruby

[sand pebble]

hahahah i started looking at swingtimer, sb timer, ip timer, rage bar i- hp isnt something i watch at all

[slim dove]

aight i need a smart mans to tell me if we use FBV now over BV

[loud patrol]

i neevr watch hp lmao

[pallid quiver]

because lord knows if i understand my debuffs

i aint got no int

[high torrent]

does the nerf hit hard?

[slim dove]

no

lmao

[loud patrol]

i mean

yes

[pallid quiver]

Likely should have been already, since Vit is bugged

[loud patrol]

dogshit now

[slim dove]

oh is it?

[loud patrol]

buff us more

[slim dove]

my hp never moves

[blazing dirge]

Yes its horrible pls no more nerds ever

[slim dove]

so i cant tell

[sand pebble]

all the bv hit does is actually make the talent work correctly because it wont cap out from damage as often

[pallid quiver]

If you cap out on Ignore Pain with it, it stops working until the Ignore Pain is 100% gone

[mellow quartz]

its definite a net nerf

[slim dove]

oh

oof

[loud patrol]

i mean i get so much rage i can cap ignore pain in less than 20 secs

[pallid quiver]

It's still workable and good, just not as silly as it could have been, especially when we got tier set coming up

[sand pebble]

also means tier will be more impactful

[loud patrol]

so we use fuel by violence now?

[warm plinth]

I thought we were always using FBV

because BV is broken

[sand pebble]

i found barb training and bv or fbv and no barb training was the choices

more rage into barbed revenge and bv makes ip last a bit longer

or no barbed and dump rage into ip

[loud patrol]

i use barbaric

[sand pebble]

same

[mellow quartz]

BV is probably still the play

[sand pebble]

bv works until you cap ip, fbv only works if you are below 100%

[loud patrol]

never

[mellow quartz]

its just bugged

and FbV is healing off your deepwounds only BV is all damage

[pallid quiver]

I'm gonna wait until they fix the bug for BV to use it, since I don't like trying to think about whether it's actually do something or not. It might actually be worse off overall, but

i don't like the idea of the talent just actually not doing anything

[loud patrol]

i like it when i do my burst

no need of an initial IP

[pallid quiver]

you

still need to do an initial IP to get brutal vit to do anything

it only adds to active IPs

[mighty valley]

i thought the whole thing was that bv doesn't create an ip....... yeah ^

that's why the tier set will be helpful for it

[loud patrol]

huh

never noticed

[mighty valley]

there's no threatening content to notice... anything

[mellow quartz]

BV is great even without tier, you press IP so often that the tier set is just a small bonus but overall not that important

[pallid quiver]

Tier just made it (assuming no bug) super bonkers

[mellow quartz]

in a 20 AA on beta my deep wounds did abt 3300 dps so FBV would be 2800 hps

that is a heavy aoe dungeon

in smgb it did abt 2000 dps so FBV would be 1700 hps in that dungeon

BV is still miles better assuming you have IP up

[sand pebble]

think outside of those numbers though

magic damage chunks your ip and you get nothing

fbv would help more in that situation

[jaunty canopy]

Feel like BV will help for battle stance weaving with cds even with the nerf.

[mellow quartz]

I had 99% uptime on IP on beta in a 20 fort smbg for example

[sand pebble]

i kinda feel they are similar in value depending on the amount of rage you have to dump and if you are actually taking damage

[mighty valley]

damn, we've found the time when ip uptime is relevant to discussion

[pallid quiver]

But the problem is if you have nearly full uptime on IP, brutal vit isn't doing anything

because you never lost IP

It's 100% better without the bug

[mellow quartz]

BV is helping your IP not fall off

[mighty valley]

if you're not really taking damage neither of them matter, why does overhealing vs not overhealing matter at all

[pallid quiver]

that's

that's part of the point

[mellow quartz]

much more valuable than 2k hps imo

[pallid quiver]

it has to fall off for it work atm because of the bug

[mellow quartz]

if/when you drop IP you can feel it instantly

[pallid quiver]

If that's fixed, brutal vit's 100% better

[mellow quartz]

you are in serious danger

anything that helps IP stay up is 100% better than 2k hps

[pallid quiver]

but it's not helping IP stay up if you ever cap IP

that's where the issue we're trying to discuss lies

[mellow quartz]

we all assume they fix the bug

or have with this change

on beta it was bugged with those numbers I gave above also, so if its fixed it would be even better

[pallid quiver]

At this point, I don't think they plan on fixing it. It's not listed as a known issue, and we've reported it throughout beta and live

[mellow quartz]

they havent listed BSV either

doesnt mean its not bugged

[sand pebble]

bsv isnt bugged

[mellow quartz]

yes it is

calculates pre mitigation

[pallid quiver]

I can only give advice for how the situation stands as it is, where the comparison between the two is "???" since it depends so much on variables in dungeon

[mellow quartz]

you can be at 80% hp and it procs

[pallid quiver]

I want them to fix it so I can just say pick brutal vit, but

[sand pebble]

oh that talent ive never used, fair

[vapid mountain]

Warrior gigabad now

so sad

[cobalt seal]

F tier

[vapid mountain]

was fun in beta for 2 weeks

then 30% nerf every patch

[mellow quartz]

everyone should go play bear or something

[cobalt seal]

Yes unplayable

[orchid mural]

ultra bad to press thunderous roar before rend is applied correct?

[mellow quartz]

?

words has nothing to do with roar actually being applied to targets

hey what do you know

they fixed BV

pog

[weary notch]

I assume Dragon's Roar and Ravager snapshot the dmg gain from avatar / demo shout, so it doesn't matter when we pop them so long as demo shout / avatar is still up, right?

[mellow quartz]

nothing snapshots in wow

other than maybe feral druid

and 1 rogue spec

[glass finch]

he just used the wrong word, he meant it's dynamic

he described it being dynamic

[weary notch]

so we need to pop Avatar > Demo Shout > Ravager > DR > others

[mellow quartz]

yes you wanna have you damage amp buffs up before you use stuff like roar and shield charge

[glass finch]

oh, no i just got what you meant

if you pop roar or ravager, then your buffs fall off, it was adjust and do less damage at the end of the ravager

[mellow quartz]

if you cast ravager and then avatar later the ticks after avatar is up will be buffed

[weary notch]

I'm just trying to figure out if we need to pop ravager and DR first after ava / demo or if it doesn't matter

and it sounds like the answer is yes

[mellow quartz]

its called thunderous roar now and you can pop ravager from range running in and then avatar while charging

preferably you wanna demo shout before you roar

[weary notch]

oh, whoops, right. Soory

TR

[mellow quartz]

@strong forum brutal vitality has been fixed now it seems, it will continue to add to the IP even after you reach the cap. Tested it on the tanking dummy for a while.

[wary heath]

so BV is actually better now after the nerf ?

[mellow quartz]

no

[opaque vine]

BV just got nerfed

[mellow quartz]

but they did fix the bug we have had for a month it seems

it might be a net buff tbh

vs how it played before

[wary heath]

are you all taking FBV then? FBV still requires you to dip below 100%, but IP still mitigates beyond 100, which is better mitigation no?

[mellow quartz]

cause if you never drop IP and constantly refresh it then BV didnt help you at all the last month outside the initial build up but now it will help at 50% the rate it should have done before

FBV might be fine in trivial content

I see no way you wanna play that in anything challenging

your absolute no1 priority (outside sb obviously but that is trivial now) is to keep IP up

[chilly brook]

As in add past the cap behind the scenes or just continue to “work” just not add anything if you’re capped

[mellow quartz]

it adds to your active IP even after cap has been hit now

[chilly brook]

So theoretically you could have an infinite absorb

Never going to get that in practice but

[mellow quartz]

doesnt add to duration

[sturdy sable]

So we can stack a fat ip when we dont have threat

[mellow quartz]

adds to the absorb

[wary heath]

what did it do previously? just continuously bring you back to your cap ?

[chilly brook]

Does hitting the button again reset the absorb amount?

[mellow quartz]

it had been bugged for a month so when you hit the IP cap of your currently active ip (30% of your max hp) it no longer added to the IP absorb amount until IP dropped completely and a new IP was added

[chilly brook]

Yea I get that

[mellow quartz]

@wary heath asked

[wary heath]

they were responding to me i think

[chilly brook]

What I’m asking is say your absorb goes to 150k within the duration

If you hit Ip again does it just simply reset

[mellow quartz]

that works same as always, so yeah

[chilly brook]

Good to know

Nice change not borked

[mellow quartz]

hitting IP again with an active IP up just adds to the absorb shield and resets the duration

thats not new though

[wary heath]

oh it adds ?

[somber shell]

Will this feel like a buff in practice

[chilly brook]

Well in fairness we haven’t been able to stack past the cap until now

[pallid quiver]

Up to 30% of your max HP, unless they've changed that

[mellow quartz]

its still capped

it adds up to the cap

if you are close

[wary heath]

so less then cap, raise to cap. more than cap, pointless

other than duration

[pallid quiver]

if it's capped, it adds anger management

[mellow quartz]

my cap atm is 83k, my IP adds 28k per cast

[chilly brook]

Guess I misunderstood this answer in regards to my initial question

[mellow quartz]

yeah the 'even after' was a reference to the bug

imo as we stand right now we are in a better spot with BV than we were the last month of beta testing

[chilly brook]

I’d agree

[mellow quartz]

but in a worse spot than if they had just fixed the bug outright and kept the 30% obviously

[pallid quiver]

by the way

where are the dummies in valdrakken

[mellow quartz]

dunno I am in boralus

[wary heath]

where is the cap stated? i dont even see that in the tooltip

[pallid quiver]

ah cool, the same sort of thing i've done

[pallid quiver]

Some patch notes from Shadowlands Season 4 🙂

Should that be the only location? No. Is it currently the only official location? Pretty sure, yeah

[mellow quartz]

also very easy to test by hitting a dummy and spamming IP and watched it never to past x number

[wary heath]

so you are saying, with the new fix , we can now build an IP greater than as of live

[mellow quartz]

x being exactly 30% of your max hp

[mellow quartz]

no

So for the last month BV has been bugged so that initially it would work and assist with building up your current IP until it reached the cap (30% of your max HP). After that cap was reached BV would do NOTHING until such a time as your IP completely dropped off and a new one was applied.
Now BV still helps you add to the IP up to the cap but it also helps you add to the IP still after that same cap has been reached once you take damage and the IP drops BELOW the cap.

[mighty valley]

have they actually fixed that bug? wasn't in the notes I saw

[mellow quartz]

I am testing it on dummies and its fixed

[mighty valley]

nice nice nice nice

[wary heath]

i got it, so it would reset, and deactivate

now it will be continous

[mighty valley]

even post nerf i'd guess BV is the play especially with tier set, but it overall seems like small beans

[mellow quartz]

you had instances on beta where you dropped IP and were fighting to reapply it over and over (that was also with tier etc) in actual hard content

this change will make it easier to maintain your IP and not having it drop

well not change, but bug fix

its just been bugged for so long that all the last testing was done with it in its bugged state

[wary heath]

so we will see a net increase in active IP building generation

[solid fossil]

so is it buff or nerf

[wary heath]

i need to lay down

and think

[mellow quartz]

depends on how you look at it. if you expected them to unfuck the BV bug and it would work properly at 30% this is now a nerf

it is however a buff vs how pwar played for the last month of testing on beta

[wary heath]

yeah, but what you just said is my BV wasn't even working have the time, so i was building the IP myself, not BV

so this is a buff

[mellow quartz]

after you reached the cap, yes

[wary heath]

yeah but you could reach the cap pretty quickly in a giant pull no ?

so it would deactivate immediately

[mellow quartz]

yes, hence the problem

you were essentially playing without it for most of the time

so if you thought pwar was tanky on beta

now its even more tanky

[wary heath]

so it's a perceived buff , but actually a nerf, it if were to be working correctly, which it isn't currently

so it's a buff

[mellow quartz]

I think they fixed the bug and realized what this actually would do to pwar

so they nerfed BV to compensate

again given all the feedback they had for a month was with it essentially not working

[severe hatch]

We're just assuming this is accompanying a bug fix at this point, yes?

[mellow quartz]

its fixed on a dummy

[severe hatch]

interesting

[mellow quartz]

my IP is actively building itself up after reaching cap and dropping down again

this however is only relevant if you do content that actually risks or causes you enough damage to break you IP

if you do not do such content this doesn't change anything for you at all and FBV is a better choice

[dry bridge]

is there an updated list of what we can spell reflect anywhere?

[mellow quartz]

pins

[dry bridge]

I did but it doesn't have this xpac on it

[pallid quiver]

i dunno, i think this page from the pins is mentioning mobs from academy
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vS26lkSc_eaulHX7-UY8Uu-7DAHvkScxh3npd0kQn3uvvWsgsQm9ducLUi4R2mb7ieNluVilyq5sQe5/pubhtml#

[mellow quartz]

its the 3rd pin from the top, wdym?

[gusty perch]

Wait, can someone set me straight on this? It seems to me like the Nerf coupled with the bug fix means we're basically de facto neutral after the patch.

Is that right?

[mellow quartz]

see up like 6 posts

[gusty perch]

oh, my bad. hahaha!

[opaque vine]

I dunno if the bug is actually fixed

[mellow quartz]

I have tested it and it’s fixed.

[opaque vine]

Can you test it on real mobs and not a target dummy

[limpid pawn]

what bug are you guys talking about

[mellow quartz]

That has no impact on anything lol

[opaque vine]

are you a coder?

[mellow quartz]

🤦‍♂️

[opaque vine]

I just tried it on a rare elite and it was not adding to my IP

granted I haven't relogged but

[vestal moat]

how are you able to test? Thought these tuning changes arent active till reset.

[mellow quartz]

Not saying it was fixed with these patch notes just that it works. Could have been fixed yesterday etc no idea.

[vestal moat]

ah i see ty

[opaque vine]

can anybody else confirm its fixed?

[limpid pawn]

what bug

can someone just describe it to me please

[pallid quiver]

On my end, I still see Brutal Vit not kicking in after capping; I got to 87k, dropped to 80k, and shield slam/tc upped me to... 79k

[mellow quartz]

works on a regular mob as well

[opaque vine]

Let me try to relog and reslot talents

[pallid quiver]

I'm also gonna close and check for an update

[opaque vine]

Yeah my client is updating now

will check after update

[pallid quiver]

Sorry for the late reply, but Brutal Vit has been bugged for a while where it works perfectly fine until Ignore Pain is capped. Once Ignore Pain is capped, Brutal Vit stops working until Ignore Pain is 100% cleared, whether by timing out, being cancelled, or being eaten

it's... very finnicky and hard to notice

... im so confused

[coral marsh]

how hard is the nerf to ip? prot garbage again?

[pallid quiver]

i logged out in the wild fighting a mob to check and i popped back in at valdrakken

[pallid quiver]

100% fixed after closing and checking for updates

[warm plinth]

They didn't even nerf IP and IP has nothing to do with why Prot is strong

[severe hatch]

Just a 15% leech nerf, minor

[mellow quartz]

Erhm IP is quite a large part of prots mitigation so can’t really say it has nothing to do with it.

[mellow quartz]

It’s only a nerf if you do content where BV building up your IP actually does something constructive.

In many cases if you are not doing challenging content your IP will be build and refreshed purely from you spamming IP as a rage dump and in those situations BV has no value.

[silk sandal]

Does anyone know how good the Irideus Fragment trinket actually is?

[coral marsh]

i mean isnt it quite a hard nerf the only thing why prot is good now is because they gave it leech

[warm plinth]

wat

[mellow quartz]

That is just incorrect on so many levels

[coral marsh]

increasing ip by dmg is leeching basically

[severe hatch]

@mellow quartz believe it or not I do do content that is dangerous

Obviously not right now, but

[warm plinth]

Yes, we're aware. But leech is not why prot is good

[mellow quartz]

Only if the IP wasn’t getting refreshed by rage dumping to IP.

[mellow quartz]

I was saying that as a general comment not if you do or don’t.

So here is how I see BV now. If you do content that does not risk breaking your IP then you don’t use BV to begin with and this nerf does nothing for you. If you do content where your IP is in danger of breaking without BV adding to it in between you rage dumping into IP then this is a net buff vs how it was prenerf with the bug in place. If you do content that constantly breaks your IP and it has to be reapplied and rebuild over and over again then this is a straight up nerf.

[coral marsh]

obviously in easy content nothing matters

[mellow quartz]

As a reference the last of the 3 options I mentioned above was not applicable for doing 20’s with fort on beta at 392 ilvl which is roughly 30 ilvl below what we will be at max.

[static aspen]

we dont have repisal anymore or im blind

[pallid quiver]

Nope, reprisal's for cowards

Closest thing is Shield Charge with Champion's Bulwark

It gives the same effects on a DPS cd that be used in melee range

It can be used off the GCD to work like reprisal if you're not in melee range, but we don't move fast enough for you to either get that off at all or without clipping your GCD, so that's a very niche scenario

[coral marsh]

guys this big warhorn on the map, these are the quests that reset on wednesday and should be saved after mythic dungeons right?

[sand pebble]

shield charge is on the gcd now

[warm plinth]

Only if you don't move

If you charge with it, it's not

[sand pebble]

is there some trick to it then? i swear i couldnt use it and using it puts evrything on the gcd..

[strong forum]

Again

If shield charge makes you move

It's off gcd

[sand pebble]

wuthout moving

[strong forum]

If it doesn't make you move, it's on GCD

[warm plinth]

It's if shield charge itself makes you move, not if you move while casting it.

[strong forum]

Really bad for us

As we have many off-gcd buttons you lose the trinket buff insanely quickly

[sand pebble]

well fuck, macoing shield slam to shield charrge to pick up adds

[strong forum]

? That's a bad idea

[sand pebble]

im full of bad ideas nome, but if its gcd free with movement it will work right?

[strong forum]

It changes nothing if its off gcd as the travel time itself is practically a gcd in itself.

[vernal vale]

@strong forum any idea how to make the best use of the damn ruby whelp trinket. I'm getting no procs even after using it targeting an enemy

[strong forum]

Use the CD on an enemy, you have your 24hr buff

That's all I know

[vernal vale]

Hmm, maybe I needed to be in combat or something.

Either way it's not working for me at all

[strong forum]

Then it's probably not the correct buff

Targeting a neutral target that's not even hitting you or aggressive

Might not have the desired outcome

[vernal vale]

Yeah, im not getting stats, damage, or heals from it based on what I see in details

[warm plinth]

how is that going to work? Because you can't cast shield slam from range. So you still wouldn't cast both and if you used it when you could cast shield slam, it would be on GCD

[strong forum]

Macroing shield charge to anything is just a bad idea, just because it can be used off-gcd as a charge doesn't mean it should

Use it as an aoe nuke once everything is stacked up, or as a tool to get SB up quickly

But as its own button, macros that combine buttons are rarely every useful or good.

[chilly brook]

Unless it’s an offensive CD with a trinket

But even then it depends

[lone eagle]

Isn't it on GCD now anyway?

[hollow gorge]

We'll still be using BV over Fueled right?

[loud patrol]

yo guys for my spark shield

what special power should i go?

or

[loud patrol]

nvm apparently this is bad af

[hollow gorge]

Was it big nerfs to prot in the recent notes?

[loud patrol]

nope

our hp might go down to 99%

i feel like a

[main sable]

https://tenor.com/view/bh187-waynes-world-thumbs-up-2thumbs-up-two-thumbs-up-gif-22047653

[fossil tartan]

any shockwave enjoyers in chat

[chilly brook]

Yes but what Nom is saying is that if you use it as a charge, by the time you cover the distance your GCD is over just like back in BFA when charge was on the GCd

It’s still a bad idea to macro two abilities together

[cerulean tusk]

Use it and love it. Shockwave AoE stun and huge burst feels good on mass pulls

[remote dawn]

what professions we go?

[lilac bloom]

anyone know whats the recommend ilevel for mythic 0 dungeon for prot warrior im ilevel 339 at the moment

[cerulean tusk]

I did it as 310, so you good to go buddy

If you want a test. Do HC and masspull everything. You can do that, you can do m0

[lilac bloom]

ooh nice time to gear up

everyone is like ilevel 360

[loud patrol]

yeah i did it a 320

[lilac bloom]

i need to catch up

[loud patrol]

we are so nice that we cant die

[lilac bloom]

except that one that fears

i hate that dungeon

[loud patrol]

interrupt it

[lilac bloom]

dont know what to interupt

[loud patrol]

dont pull more than 1 at a time

[lilac bloom]

what cast is it

[loud patrol]

after ragestorm comes bloody bite

then after that come hideous laughter

interrupt hideous laughter

[lilac bloom]

ahhh ok ii realy hate that one always kills mr

me

[loud patrol]

dont be like my group in nousk that didnt interrupt 2 deadly thunder

but we can deflect them lmao

[cerulean tusk]

Bring aoe antifear for when it goes through

[lilac bloom]

is the fear i hate most

[loud patrol]

no need

[zealous willow]

Yo we got little nerf i think. With that ignore pain 🧐

[loud patrol]

yeah our hp goes down to 98% now

[lilac bloom]

ya i spam that alot

[zealous willow]

Will affect ur dps i think

[loud patrol]

no it doesnt

[lilac bloom]

we do have that wirlwind that we can use

[cerulean tusk]

He fears the fear no longer, with this one simple trick. Never trust pugs

[lilac bloom]

wats the trick?

[loud patrol]

interrupt yourself lmao

[zealous willow]

I mean with that 30 to 15 we must use ignore pain more often and waste rage on non dps spell

[lilac bloom]

lol ya i have to watch that laughter

[cerulean tusk]

Beserker rage upgrade that makes it affect allies

[loud patrol]

i mean you dotn max out IP?

we get so much rage that we can max it in 5 seconds

then spend the rest in revenge or more IP

[zealous willow]

We dont have banner , i dont see point to waste rage on it often

[loud patrol]

i could not have the talent it wouldnt affect me

[zealous willow]

It was good to fill itself now it will be super less

[loud patrol]

we dont have banner but we still have humongous amounts of rage regen

and if you dont have that amount you are not pulling enough

[zealous willow]

Not much u will see it on single target performance at best

They nerfed a bit ur boss sustain

Or dps with this

[lilac bloom]

im using the talent tree for reprisal but i think its long been useleas now. so i probably dont berserker on my spell

[loud patrol]

i mean still doesnt affect much

[cerulean tusk]

If you are capped, spend rage on something else. Not up capped, just IP. On bosses feel free to pool rage if needed for busters.

[jolly inlet]

Do yal feel like there is a lot of party damage in m0s?

[cerulean tusk]

Depends on the dungeon. But quite a bit sure.

[zealous willow]

I take 0 dps and my party is crying on me to pull less , so yeah

[lilac bloom]

lol

[loud patrol]

that sounds like a pug problem

[cerulean tusk]

Always pull untill you die. Be the warrior you want to be

[loud patrol]

just tell em to dps harder

when people tell you " why are you in battle stance" just say: to dps harder

[cerulean tusk]

For the newer tanks: test your limits to the max. Fail and reduce as needed, or spot the interuptables you must handle to not wipe. Push again as you get better gear.

[zealous willow]

Wait we have other stance? I haven't seen it

[loud patrol]

other than battle stance?

theres that defensive stance if your hp goes lower than 90%

never

[sick sentinel]

NO RAGRETS

[cerulean tusk]

[main sable]

So everyone has just been tanking in battle stance?

[karmic birch]

ofc my horse

[loud patrol]

for now lmao

once keys are out thats over

[warm plinth]

people were tanking like +30s in SL with battle stance so I wouldn't say that

[loud patrol]

yeah but a +30 there would be a +23 here

[warm plinth]

Yeah I just mean it's still gonna have to be a decently high key

[loud patrol]

ye

[sick sentinel]

Whats that hotfix numbers look like for us?

[main sable]

Hmm I'll have to try it out. I'm a filthy casual who leveled as prot and am just about to finish the campaign. did the whole thing in defense stance lol

[cobalt grove]

Thoughts on brutal vitality nerf? Does it make fueled by violence look better (that got buffed as well right?)

[loud patrol]

nah

we dont lose hp

[indigo wharf]

Were i can got this thing?

[solemn flame]

Is it worth using "Armor Spikes" when crafting? What does it do exaclty, anyone knows? :/

[lusty grotto]

sure

but you can just recraft it in later

if youre in a hurry

[granite anvil]

Hey guys,
Wowhead rotation puts TC over Shield Slam. Is that correct? I always thought SS is our single most important button

[lusty grotto]

it adds the olde spikes effect basically, similar to Tough as Nails talent

so basically its better than having nothing there

[lusty grotto]

any context?

on which situation

cause it def isn't in ST

[solemn flame]

Ahh i see, thanks Nim

[lusty grotto]

griff got you

[chilly brook]

If you uncheck that it’s shield slam back to ahead

[lusty grotto]

context is important

[chilly brook]

Part of a written guide is reading

[lusty grotto]

indeed

who knew

😄

[granite anvil]

Ah alright. So that rotation is only for MT even though I use those talents during bossfights as well.

Mb

[chilly brook]

Largely because the rotation is the same

And there’s the context

[coral marsh]

im just happy thunderclapspam is back

[ebon wren]

with season 4 gear lol

[warm plinth]

what's your point

[lusty grotto]

30s weren't exactly a walk in the park

and i hope they had s4 gear, cause sheesh

kinda goes without saying

[reef spindle]

We all play on different skill level, but doesnt change that using battle stance in 30's was because of a good amount of stats. 🙂

[lusty grotto]

i mean

s4 gearing is appropiate gear for 30s

for obvious reasons