protection

[sharp night]

it doesn't work because it casts shield charge first, which puts you in melee and then you're unable to regular charge

[strong forum]

Yeah but that's the goal no?

Like

[cobalt seal]

Lol

[strong forum]

You can't send both at the same time

[gleaming blaze]

Correct

[broken crater]

if it has a significant downside, why would you do it, just because its possible?

its like jumping in front of a car to get knocked a couple of meters because then you dont have to walk over there

[strong forum]

It's literally not possible

So it's a priority list

[gleaming blaze]

It is not about optimising damage or utility

[strong forum]

Put charge first

Then shield charge

Voila

[gleaming blaze]

it's just so you can cast shield charge, have that on cd and be in melee.

[jagged pier]

but u always have a charge

i dont get how thats utility to SC first

u also miss like half the mobs with the stun

[gleaming blaze]

tried that

[jagged pier]

because they arent stacked

[strong forum]

Casting SC first is worse

[gleaming blaze]

you can heroic throw as you charge

[strong forum]

Charge is off-gcd

Shield charge prevents the using of charge, its coded like that

[jagged pier]

okay what has that got to do with utility?

[gleaming blaze]

mobs begin to converge

[strong forum]

What exactly is the goal again can you explain it

You want to shield charge into a pack, rather than charge

?

[gleaming blaze]

To have shield charge and charge on the same key

[inner hound]

He wants shield charge as a third charge of charge (lol) I think

[gleaming blaze]

That's my only goal

don't care about any other factors

[strong forum]

And putting it like this

/cast Shield charge``` doesn't work?

[gleaming blaze]

just same key is all

nope tried that

[strong forum]

It never sends shield charge?

[cobalt seal]

Just use a modifier

Lol

[gleaming blaze]

never

[jagged pier]

it does

i used it on beta

[gleaming blaze]

It uses charge but it never used SHield charge

[sharp night]

macros stop working as soon as they hit an invalid condition

[strong forum]

In what scenario Senrith

[sharp night]

if you know a spell but can't cast it, the macro will automatically stop there

[gleaming blaze]

Any that you shield charge

[strong forum]

Cuz, you can't charge in melee range, so it'll send shield charge

That's my logic behind it

[gleaming blaze]

Yea but i think Itamae might be right

[faint mural]

Do macros check for range?

[sharp night]

nah, it attempts to send charge and "fails" because you're in melee range

and then the macro ends there

[gleaming blaze]

Right

[sharp night]

because it met the condition to cast a spell

[gleaming blaze]

that explains

[sharp night]

just the spell failed

[gleaming blaze]

So is there a way to make it work, so that instead of trying to cast charge and failing it just skips that line and casts shield charge?

or is this an addon thing?

[cobalt seal]

Its a normal modifier lol

[sharp night]

neither can do it, that'd be smartcasting which leads to bots

[inner hound]

Neither, there is no way around that I'm pretty sure

[sharp night]

you have to do something intelligent like castsequence or castrandom

[cobalt seal]

But you still have 2 keybinds

[gleaming blaze]

cast random eh? xD

works if i button mash maybe lol

[sharp night]

yes, it'll just randomly use a spell so it's not good

but it will let you cast any of a selected number of spells

[gleaming blaze]

and that list could just be Charge and Shield Charge?

so a 50/50

[inner hound]

It will still sometimes do nothing then

[arctic basin]

the macro works fine for me, with charge first

[sharp night]

it'll cast literally anything

that's listed

[strong forum]

/cast Hearthstone

[gleaming blaze]

Try getting it to cast shield charge

[arctic basin]

Shield charge first? Ah right, that won't work

[strong forum]

No he meant at all

[gleaming blaze]

Nor does charge first

[arctic basin]

Really, I just tried it 🤷

[gleaming blaze]

is shield charge on cd from presing the macro?

[arctic basin]

yeah

[gleaming blaze]

link macro

[arctic basin]

/cast Shield charge```

[gleaming blaze]

weird, i tried this exact one lol

and didn't work for me

[cobalt seal]

Skill issue

[gleaming blaze]

ah yes, any chance to dig at me

[inner hound]

That macro won't always work. If charge comes off it's own 'gcd' then it will still try to cast another charge and not SC

[gleaming blaze]

you still here? I think you had better practice what you preach and "just drop it"

[gleaming blaze]

that might be what happened to me

[arctic basin]

Maybe I have a different expectation of the macro, I still have to press it twice

[sharp night]

if you're in melee range and use the macro it should do nothing though

[arctic basin]

it does shield charge for me

[limpid anchor]

Are you yogi?

[arctic basin]

I tried the following scenarios:

1. Press to charge in, press once in melee shield charge is done.
2. Press charge, run away press again to do another charge. Press a third time with charge fully on cd, shield charge was cast

[gleaming blaze]

-missed-

[limpid anchor]

Is that a yes

[strong forum]

That's the expected behaviour yes

[gleaming blaze]

-both missed-

[strong forum]

Man can y'all stop fighting

Cro made a joke with the skill issue, it's not to pick a fight

[gleaming blaze]

Am just here for the macro

[strong forum]

It's a literal joke when "skill issue" is mentioned when in combination with things not related to anything skillful involved

[lyric elm]

Nah that guy is consistently"joking"

[strong forum]

Yes

That's literally his whole being

[arctic basin]

are you in war mode? could it be related to warbringer?

[gleaming blaze]

That explains why he was defending another toxic member of this discord earlier

[lyric elm]

I guess we can say anything and go "just a prank bro"

Genius

[gleaming blaze]

I am in wm

[strong forum]

I don't think nimchip is toxic

[gleaming blaze]

You sure about that?

[strong forum]

But anywho

[strong forum]

This is exactly how the macro should perform if you get different results then there's something else fucking goin on

[gleaming blaze]

I'll do some testing tonight

[arctic basin]

Yeah, the only thing I would check is to make sure the macro is on the button 🤷 I have made that mistake myself before if I moved a macro ontop of an already existing button

[gleaming blaze]

Thanks for the help

[limpid anchor]

@cobalt seal is a dh, so he’s toxic by default

All the fel energy

[cobalt seal]

You can send a email to [e-mail] to foward your complain

[lusty tiger]

Ddos ing your inbox rn

[cobalt seal]

I will review them and properly send them to trash

[lusty tiger]

Lots of skill issues

[uneven mason]

Pretty sure they're a felbur

[cobalt seal]

No bur

Only fel

[vagrant relic]

Hey guys does ignore pain stack?

[limpid anchor]

Yes

To a maximum

[vagrant relic]

Thanks

[pallid quiver]

30% of your max HP, to be specific

unless they shot that idea from season 4 to now

[indigo wharf]

what you recommend craft from fist spark Shield of the Hearth or Frostfire Legguards of Preparation?

[long stone]

shield

[uneven mason]

Always shield if you don't have better

[strong forum]

I will personally hold off on sparks

No point rushing them yet

[minor helm]

Have to giga optimize for my m0 tour push

[past drum]

Belt is quite large dps so I’ve heard

[indigo wharf]

imo sense to hold if another item from spark that can't reach now not so strong and later when got more mastery for crafting better ilvl i can just recraft them

[brisk ferry]

@strong forum what professions did you go?

[cobalt seal]

Eng and something else

But thats what he usually does

[brisk ferry]

yeh I am engi now, cant decide on 2nd

alchemy seems medium this time

[median tulip]

I'm enjoying Protection's basic immortality right now, NGL

"Oh, so I've been knocked off my mount in the middle of an elite area, lost half my health in the fall, aggroed 3 elites and I'm on fire?"

rolls shoulder

"This'll be fun, then"

[limpid anchor]

Alch for Phial duration

Seems the best for active playing

[solar blade]

true no need on rushing 384 crafted items, just wait an fill in slots like head breast and legs at best is my guess

[lyric elm]

Fill some slot later that never dropped

[neon elk]

Hey guys, ive heard something about some elemental invasions ( no prepatch) in some vid, but u cant find anything . Is it in game yet?

[past drum]

You can’t turn crafted gear into tier so wouldn’t get those imo

[past drum]

On the 12th is the primal storms. Unless you mean the trial things

[neon elk]

Och , okej thanks

[neon elk]

Not sure what the trial things are

[past drum]

It’s for current high ilvl gear. Trial of elements is the name i think

[past drum]

Vid linked in arms a few min ago about it

[neon elk]

Tyty

[silent anchor]

i went down the shield route

[solid granite]

hey peeps, i need your advice - 386 weapon with Haste+Vers OR 389 weapon with random stats. About to craft it, at 241 skill, but can't decide.

[past drum]

Ilvl on wep is very important

[long stone]

Ilvl more than stats because of the Max dmg

[solid granite]

rgr, thanks ❤️

lets just hope inspiration procs for that extra 63 skill 😛

[quick fox]

Anyone know the proc rate of the shield? Is it worth?

[urban bane]

Per wowhead is ~2.2 PPM

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=372031/shield-of-the-hearth

[cerulean tusk]

Last time I saw it brought up, people said no. Search up the shields name for more info

[noble lynx]

Lets goo

🛡️

[placid vale]

So is there any crafts like really good for us?

Or are we good waiting and filling the voids?

[solar blade]

ill fill it its the best way

[cerulean tusk]

Don't need more gear for HC/m0 so you can wait

[plush tendon]

^ pretty much this. No need to worry about gear until like Monday night next week after youve done your second set of M0s and you want to be prepped before raid on Tuesday, but wont be able to login until after work on Tuesday

and then M+ opens up anyways so like

[modern brook]

the other side is that like

crafts are gunna be so balls expensive at that time

[plush tendon]

I use my guild

[placid vale]

Whats more needed to upgrade 1st, weapon or shield?

[plush tendon]

Guys are working on their professions, just gonna piggy back

[cerulean tusk]

Shield

[plush tendon]

make a work order for them for their weekly or something XD

[modern brook]

fair

im all for exploiting my guild

but i will enter the raid at 324 before i spend money on AH boe's

[plush tendon]

besides, there is only one crafted thing that matters (to me).... and thats bress' and SAVIOR

[ionic fern]

Just..get gear?

[cerulean tusk]

You can get full 359 from HC dungeons. Prob quite a bit of m0 gear. Ya will be ready for raid

[plush tendon]

you thiccc

[modern brook]

i donate my gear to people who need it

ilvl is a construct

[plush tendon]

I havnt stepped into a Heroic and hopfully never will

[modern brook]

you dont actually need it

[placid vale]

You got all that from m0?

[plush tendon]

except maybe next week

[ionic fern]

Jeah, flexing with my week 1 gear before i fall behind everyone else in raids.

[modern brook]

nice grippers

[ionic fern]

Yes, except for bracers.

[modern brook]

i got absolutely toxic'd on in my M0s

6 drops total

[cerulean tusk]

Do it. You can clear it in record time and you get 1k gold and some runes to boot.

[modern brook]

5 of them were capes

[ionic fern]

😂

[plush tendon]

its more efficient to not until the second set of M0s

[modern brook]

the 6th was a weapon tho so

[plush tendon]

like, I might not ever need to go into heroic

rather level my 4th alt XD

[modern brook]

I skipped over heroics

[cerulean tusk]

Free gold is free. Free gear is free. Boosting guildies is good karma. Win win win

[plush tendon]

The only boosts my guild wants right now are normal leveling dungeons

the alts are coming out of the shed

and no one knows what they want to play as a main

[fading halo]

@plush tendon as a fresh 70 you just stated running m0? Or how else did you get gear before stepping into m0? I'm trying to make a plan for after work today, I gotta be giga efficient with my time lol

[plush tendon]

just go into M0 if you are a in guild with guildies

[cerulean tusk]

If you already are geared from SL, you are fine.

[plush tendon]

if not... you might have to muster up some gear from normal

[uncut dome]

Quedtion what professions do you recomend for prot ?

[plush tendon]

for the pug life

[mellow quartz]

Just make a group and list it in LFG and hope none inspects you.

For m0’s

[cerulean tusk]

Did m0 in my 300gear with pugs. Was no issues at all. Just blast

[lyric elm]

some dungs hit harder though

maybe dont start with legacy of tyr

[main veldt]

Uldaman hit really really really hard for some reason

[lyric elm]

yup

[plush tendon]

it does?

[lyric elm]

shit does 2-3x dmg youd expect

[main veldt]

^

[swift mulch]

I thought uldaman was the easiest

[plush tendon]

well good thing I did that last

cause getting there was a pain

[cerulean tusk]

Only problem in uldaman was when people didn't LOS, rest was 🍰

[lyric elm]

its quite a technical dungeon

will be a challenge on high+

[plush tendon]

next season XD

I think there are only two parts where we were in 'trouble' or wiped. Last boss in Nethlarus cause we didnt know what to do and Ruby Life Pools.... we pulled everything before last boss

that was a mistake

our healer was not happy

[lyric elm]

the big casters

[cerulean tusk]

To the more chill lads: m0 isn't hard. Don't be afraid. You will clear it all no problems

[lyric elm]

they truck

no timer pressure to go at it at your leisure

[swift mulch]

The only boss I wiped out was the dumb frog boss

[plush tendon]

wait, theres a frog boss?

[cerulean tusk]

Did not even know that was a boss

[lyric elm]

in the dung where you dodge water

[plush tendon]

oh yea

[lyric elm]

idk its name

[cerulean tusk]

The big toad elite?

[plush tendon]

Halls 3.0

[cobalt seal]

Thats usually a boss

[cerulean tusk]

Basically the same guy as from mist maze

[cobalt seal]

So yes

[minor helm]

God I hate the frogs

Stop jumping

[plush tendon]

Best boss is still alive tree boss in the Academy

for da pad

[lyric elm]

spin to win

[plush tendon]

dead tree boss is a second rate tree

[cerulean tusk]

For da pad

[lyric elm]

so whats your favorite boss

i like the one where you put ice puddles

[plush tendon]

telling my unholy DK to hold his CDs and wait for the adds was glorious

[drifting pewter]

You guys been having infinite loop DCs lately? Was happening last night

[thick otter]

how is the rage generation guys? people were freaking out over the last nerf before release but how is it in reality?

[noble lynx]

🐸

[lyric elm]

dont worry about rage

[cerulean tusk]

We swimming in rage

[minor helm]

Giga first pull academy into second pull being tree boss is beans

[plush tendon]

rage is fine

[thick otter]

fire, thanks for the answers

[strong forum]

Technically none, but engi and jc

[noble lynx]

🍣

[strong forum]

I might dabble with jc this weekend when I'm beyond bored

[thick otter]

Not blacksmithing`?

Or are you just buying the gear

[strong forum]

I stocked up on gold

[brisk ferry]

dammit I have no reactions here but 💜 thanks chief, I like the Jc neck

[plush tendon]

Mining is pretty fun

[strong forum]

So I'll jyts buy everything

[noble lynx]

Nom doesnt know about the hidden bonus of blacksmith

[plush tendon]

its a good reason to fly around and do stuff

[brisk ferry]

same actually, few million to mess around with

[thick otter]

Ah filthy rich, classic theorycrafter

[plush tendon]

whats the hidden bonus?

[upper hollow]

sry guys, i'm new here. Is this the main war/tank discord in circulation?

[noble lynx]

You forge that shield with your own hands on top of the mountain of doom, it will be stronger than anything

[thick otter]

pepelaugh

[cerulean tusk]

[plush tendon]

[noble lynx]

But for real tho with max shield spec you get some shield repair item

[dusky canopy]

[noble lynx]

You just made infinite gold

[plush tendon]

ima take a quick looksy then

[thick otter]

The hidden bonus of blacksmithing is not having two dogshit weapons

[plush tendon]

but I like mining

cause dragonriding is great

[dusky canopy]

Might have to drop mining for BS

[noble lynx]

I wish we could have every proffession, kinda dumb we cant

[dusky canopy]

Ask my self “am I really going to mine rocks?”

[plush tendon]

yes

[thick otter]

My tip is to go evoker for gathering, they get bonus perception and when you run out of vigor you have soar on like 1.5 min cd

[dusky canopy]

Nah I’m a warrior I smash things

[thick otter]

also they can glide and dash mid air

[dusky canopy]

[plush tendon]

I smash rocks

[noble lynx]

You dont run out of vigor rly

[plush tendon]

to train my zug zug

[spring holly]

anyone else hate how ilvl > all.

I have highest ilvl equipped but haste is my lowest stat followed by vers. Feels badman

[plush tendon]

its fine

[thick otter]

I do when i drop down for a vein every 2 seconds

[plush tendon]

first week

[dusky canopy]

I like ilvl>

[plush tendon]

stat priority is like... half a concern

[dusky canopy]

Gearing is easier

[spring holly]

I want my haste

[plush tendon]

I want more crit

[noble lynx]

Do you have the vigor regen increase after gathering trait

[plush tendon]

[dusky canopy]

Min maxing drops later when you don’t need ilvl is also fun

[thick otter]

Yeah but its like 10% not that big of a deal

[dusky canopy]

Crit/haste gang

Legggooo

[thick otter]

Tbf if i just go speed around for 20 sec im full vigor but i cba

[dusky canopy]

Fatty SS

[plush tendon]

why would I even need vers? I already sit in battle stance

[noble lynx]

Also how to get mining knowledge

[cerulean tusk]

Armor/str gang!

[plush tendon]

if I go def stance thats like..... 40% vers worth of dr

[dusky canopy]

Unlearn it

Re learn it

Boom

Knowledge

[cobalt seal]

Yeah i want pawn back to being relevant

[thick otter]

Buy it off AH

[cobalt seal]

Poor addon is dead

[thick otter]

not even kidding

inscription sells knowledge

[noble lynx]

Wait you can

Rly

[thick otter]

yeah

[noble lynx]

Whats the name

[strong forum]

Yes

[thick otter]

for example

idk if its for crafting only tho

maybe not for gathering

[plush tendon]

mining you can find those rockwalls

[noble lynx]

I kinda wanna get the mining while dragonriding

[plush tendon]

and theres like a shovel inside

and also mining new ores

[thick otter]

that shovel just tps you out no?

[noble lynx]

I have 100 mining

[plush tendon]

it gives you a thingy

[noble lynx]

Rly

[plush tendon]

talent point... or whatever

[noble lynx]

Ive been just walking out

:o

[plush tendon]

or at least, I kept on getting them

[thick otter]

you get them from mining nodes randomly, idk about the shovel tho

[dusky canopy]

@upper hollow yes nom & jakey are the Prot chads

[thick otter]

It's in case you walk in there without mining, then the wall respawns

LUL

[timber coral]

Haste or Verse alchemy trinket? 🤔

[thick otter]

haste haste haste

[timber coral]

Nah nvm I hate verse thanks gamers

[plush tendon]

haste crit gang

[thick otter]

bro not stacking haste rn feels so shit

[jagged pier]

[noble lynx]

I know that

[thick otter]

stuck at 4% on all my other characters

[dusky canopy]

Give credit where credits due

[noble lynx]

My war is pretty lucky im around 20% haste

[noble lynx]

Wait it says cannot auction

[thick otter]

work order

mb

[sand pebble]

haste or str food my guys

[strong forum]

Always Str

[sand pebble]

ty

[uneven mason]

So who was it the other day that made a comment about "no use for berserker rage"

[grave crane]

The centaur offensive has use for it if no one likes kicking

[uneven mason]

Yeah, I had to spec into Shockwave, disrupting, and berserker because pugs can't be trusted

[mellow quartz]

well the last guys who fear you can't stun though

[grave crane]

Understandable I was thinking the same thing if no one kicks that gets annoying

[minor helm]

Offensive is offensively made

[uneven mason]

Yeah, if I run out of breaks/interrupts I just leap away

[minor helm]

Delete it

[heavy temple]

I am not sure what to craft. Will you guys use your spark on an engineering item with a tinker socket?

[plush tendon]

just gonna wait for now

whatever after two weeks I need, ill craft

[heavy temple]

yeah, im not crafting it now

[marble cipher]

I used mine on a 386 shield crafting order, but, might have jumped the gun too soon on it. Ah well

[uneven mason]

🧠

[urban bane]

Gitgud Offensive?

[plush tendon]

People either really like offensive, or really hate it

theres no in between

[minor helm]

Ballista boss and trash before last guy ruined it for me

[uneven mason]

I found out the hard way that you shouldn't pull all the trash before first boss at once

[plush tendon]

you just skip all that trash though

[uneven mason]

because the "Rally the herd" shit stacks

the 3 flags

to bring the boss down

[minor helm]

No clue was just how my guildy tank did it

[grave crane]

I had people telling me I’m pulling the wrong stuff on the trash before the ghost boss which is why they died and I lived long enough for them to make it back to me

[minor helm]

If that’s the case then bless up

Doesn’t fix ballista boss tho

[vital sinew]

DPS wont switch, ST is dookie 😦

[uneven mason]

Why they so bad

like literally don't stand in the green orbs

win

I had a healer ragequit

[grave crane]

Yeah I just flew to a mound and started blasting and they went to another kne and died

[uneven mason]

because I wasn't taking any damage but the DPS were getting one shot by random targeted casts

[tender cove]

the enduring scale trinket is pretty good isn't it? It feels very strong but I dont know the alternatives.

[plush tendon]

yea, you can skip the two guys in front of the gate by going up the right side, and jump over the ledge. Can body pull if not good at it, but its not too difficult

and then the patrolling pack, you just stick to the right side, pull the pack chilling on the right side (its like on a slight incline) while you let it path, then do the the last two homies

[uneven mason]

watch those 2 will be like 30% of the trash requirement in M+

[plush tendon]

you can get all your trash before hand

at least on beta you didnt do anything in that zone

[uneven mason]

but should you

[plush tendon]

the fear guys suck

[uneven mason]

I guess yeah, the 3 big packs on first boss

WTB script to check if people have interrupts

[plush tendon]

the other trash in the dungeon is way less scarry

unless they changed % values, that will be the play. Get most of your trash done before the last zone

[cursive burrow]

Offensive isn't bad. Way better than that Toxic place in Azure Span.

Whoever decided we wanted Underrot 2.0 needs fired ASAP.

[plush tendon]

Underrot was a good dungeon

bracken land is like.... a second rate dungeon

[minor helm]

Yeah don’t think tank knew skips or what the packs did cause they took a couple tries before slow just to finish

[plush tendon]

I mean, its insane to expect anyone to know skips at this point, unless youve seen it before

its been like 3 days

[vital sinew]

What's the best path through to treemouth? slope or left side

[plush tendon]

Im a left side gamer right now

but it doesnt really matter; not in the rotation so... itll only ever be a 0

[cursive burrow]

I've taken slope the 2 times I've ran it.

I hate that place and glad it's not in rotation.

[plush tendon]

best dungeon is Academy

❤️

[vital sinew]

Fast, 0 pathing required, FAST

[plush tendon]

and I like Neltharus

[plush tendon]

with pad boss

pad boss, best boss

[vital sinew]

Summon the details adds

[plush tendon]

those adds are important to kill though

I have a feeling locks may start as affliction for that boss, then swap to demo later

soulflame feels like it could be good there

[silent anchor]

noice drop 😄

[weak snow]

I got the forgestorm mace last night, anyone know the ppm on that mace? https://www.wowhead.com/beta/item=193785/forgestorm?bonus=7974

[uneven mason]

last boss gave me Ghuun feels

[uneven mason]

Lower than 100% uptime on strength

No primary stat - trash it

[urban bane]

fyi if you mouseover or click on spell effects in wowhead, such as the one on that mace, it tells you the datamined ppm

[weak snow]

Cool til!

[weak snow]

fk me didn't see that.

[long stone]

Where did i Farm ?

*u

[silent anchor]

dropped in neltharus

[dusky canopy]

For real man those debuffs are going to be insane once that dungeon hits the rotation

[silent anchor]

is it really?

[open gazelle]

Bracken hallow whatever is the worst dungeon imo, glad it’s not in m+

[uneven mason]

for prot, we get so much from str

[uneven mason]

Str is life

[cursive burrow]

I was kinda worried Dwarf would lose some value without Necrotic....but seeing all the debuffs in these dungeons...and with healers who don't know they can dispell diseases...being Dwarf is still best move.

[thick otter]

is ravager viable?

[open gazelle]

Orc all the way

[uneven mason]

That snare in the Gnoll dungeon pissed me off, disease and the healers like "Wat"

[open gazelle]

@thick otter yes I love ravager now I’m a changed me

[silent anchor]

i mean, its the only mythic single hand ive droppd so it was an upgrade till i get another mythic

[uneven mason]

Just a little

[cursive burrow]

I get called Tuna when I make a boneheaded move. Seeing your opinion there. I'd say it's a very Tuna thing to say.

[uneven mason]

FemOrc for horde,

[cursive burrow]

Nah. Fem Troll.

For Alliance Fem Dark Iron.

[livid osprey]

Anyone knows what does the Infuse with Power optional reagent mean when crafting?

[cursive burrow]

I was the only level 60 fem troll warrior on my server until midway through BC back in the day. When blizzard finally opens up cross faction guilds I will be a Troll day one.

[lusty grotto]

who even are you

and why are you replying to shit done earlier this week lmao

if you went as far back as that you might as well go back a few lines and read the context

[dusky canopy]

This is the play hoss

[minor helm]

[dusky canopy]

You ain’t gamin if you ain’t pulling 5 packs

[sick sentinel]

True

[plush tendon]

I only take good classes to my M0s

and those with at least 3k score

[dusky canopy]

Well that’s easy

5 Prot warriors

[minor helm]

Boomie in m0 reminds me of slands boomies on everything except first boss mists

It’s so bad

[dusky canopy]

Inb4 my lfg title says 3k s4 required

[wide pilot]

what trinkets are we looking to get for m+ in the m0 dungeons right now?

[plush tendon]

i got the scale and the dwarf thingy

[strong forum]

Blazing hoof, dragon games, dwarf horn, trample thingy

Tentacle is also good

[modern brook]

blazing hoof

unrelated that list of trinkets sounds like someone trying to remember game of thrones plot points

[uneven mason]

Not thicc enuf

[lusty grotto]

apparently r.io has a weird problem where some people's past scores are being shown while not others lol

so those people that Augustocaesar mentioned that rely on the addon might actually turn you down if youre one of the affected lol

such is life

but cant be mad about dodging bullets

[wide pilot]

imagine looking at rio for a m0

[lusty grotto]

i think that's what we're making fun of yes

[strong forum]

Imagine looking at rio for DF

[lusty grotto]

indeed

[torpid fiber]

anyone have insight on whether to pick weaponsmithing or armorsmithing specialization?

[lusty grotto]

but obviously there will be some that will do it

it doesnt matter, you can pick it all

armor has the shield path

if you wanna do one first

it depends on what you're going for with your first Spark honestly

if you wanna get shield, you got Armor spec

if you wanna get weapon, well i hope you know the answer by now

[torpid fiber]

already snagged a 372 shield from m0

[lusty grotto]

which is worse than a base 382 shield

[torpid fiber]

fair enough

tyvm

[wide pilot]

isnt the honor gear 400ilvl? could just snag a pvp shield too

[lusty grotto]

its a viable path yes

but you need to upgrade it to be 400 in pve

so that might take time

[torpid fiber]

id rather pass on pvp if possible haha

[lusty grotto]

honor shield is 340 base

in pve

411 in pvp

1/5 is at 340 pve ilvl

spark shield though, you can recraft and keep increasing ilvl (esp with Primal Infusions)

both are viable yes

sorry i should have added that i dont think an honor shield at 5/5 goes any further than 380 for pve

pvp ilvl and pve ilvls are a thing

[limpid anchor]

(And you can only upgrade to 3 atm)

[lusty grotto]

ok so yeah crafted shield is still the highest ilvl that you can get in pve

both for spark shield and matrix lvl 70 blue shield

[dusky canopy]

Hard pass on the pvp shield

[severe steeple]

blood shard shield is a nice start, 366 ilvl

[blazing condor]

do we just shield charge as a burst or what

[lusty grotto]

uhh

sure?

[modern brook]

its a damage cd yeah

[blazing condor]

i just press it on cd rn

[modern brook]

just also has sb taped onto it

[lusty grotto]

press it with avatar

[modern brook]

with a demo +avatar

[lusty grotto]

no reason to hold it to refresh SB unless you really need help keeping it up

[modern brook]

dont we all

[lusty grotto]

if you have CB, that is

or for the stun for that matter

[blazing condor]

that 1 min rav CD be hitting

[slender compass]

Does any rare mob drop a shield?

[lusty grotto]

just spam heroics

or put a crafting order for a lvl 70 blue shield

[slender compass]

just asking for a friend

[lusty grotto]

if you get a titan matrix you can up it to 380 with a recraft

[slender compass]

since I just got a 2 handed 376 from a rare

[lusty grotto]

(a recraft crafting order)

[slender compass]

so i was curious if there was a shield equivalent

[lusty grotto]

probably?

[slender compass]

probably indeed, just wanted to ask if any of you know it! thanks for your helpful answer tho

you a good noodle

[sinful root]

Is it even worth using the spark of ingenuity for the shield?

[lusty grotto]

absolutely worth

[slender compass]

yes

at the time you get your second one

you will have m+

[lusty grotto]

it should be the one thing you get with it

[slender compass]

and raid

so def. use it at some point

[lusty grotto]

you get another spark next week anyway

no reason to hold it

but again you need to farm the 40 primal chaos and the alloy for crafting orders

if youre not a BS

primal chaos arent that hard to come by though, just do WQs, events, dungeons and shit

[sinful root]

I was thinking about holding them until raid week to see what i get from m+

But the shield is p huge

[lusty grotto]

nah dont hold

you get 1 more next week

and then a lot more the week after that

or after season starts

people that hold sparks are kinda wasting them

[sinful root]

Thats what my youtuber said to do tho

[lusty grotto]

well that youtuber is misinformed

[sinful root]

Time to find a new my youtuber

[lusty grotto]

or just dont and ask here

and keep YT and twitch for entertainment only

[sinful root]

Yeah

[mellow quartz]

do you though? thought you only got a 2nd spark week 3

[potent gulch]

I got matrix and shield from m0. Should I craft mainhand than?

[lusty grotto]

even then, its a waste to hold it

no

craft shield

[potent gulch]

The one with vers proc?

[lusty grotto]

use matrix for lvl 70 blue weapon

you cant make the vers proc one

that requires mats from raid

molten defender is the only one you can make or put an order for

and like i said, you cant use matrix on spark items, so use it on a lvl 70 blue weapon and bump it to 380

spark for shield, matrix for weapon

[potent gulch]

Why should I craft 372 shield if I have 1?

[lusty grotto]

because its 384

[limpid anchor]

Why make anything if you don’t need it

Wait till content real eases

Waste of money todo now

[potent gulch]

Make sense

Isn't 384 is one spark + matrix?

[lusty grotto]

well you dont need to Hamyngway, its just min maxing

you cant do spark + matrix

[potent gulch]

That what interface says in game

[limpid anchor]

What do you min max tho. M0?

[lusty grotto]

getting ready to hit keys

the higher the better

anyway that's another discussion

[lusty grotto]

try again

do you see matrix there?

use matrix for weapon

matrix for weapon, spark for shield

like i said before

[limpid anchor]

but isnt that exactly the reason to wait? if you dont get full m0 gear, you can craft the missing piece for higher overall gear

than to waste a spark now

just to get a high ilvl next week

[lusty grotto]

m0 caps at 376

why would you wait when you cant get any better

[limpid anchor]

if you are missing pieces?

[lusty grotto]

so?

shield is the highest defensive upgrade for us

and you can still hit m0 on reset

[potent gulch]

got it , ty

[lusty grotto]

plus if you get matrix, you can fill in the gaps

but no reason to hold sparks

380 matrix infused items dont need sparks to craft

[dusky canopy]

Definitely go for the shield if you don’t have one

[cerulean tusk]

Definitely go for the shield if you don’t have one

[lyric elm]

the tree boss did a surprising amount of dmg in Algethar

the last boss went down in like 1/4th the time

[lusty grotto]

even if you have one, its the highest ilvl shield that's currently obtainable

so the "if you don't have one" shouldn't be there

[cerulean tusk]

If you got a 300 weapon, you might wanna upgrade that tho.

[lusty grotto]

you def do not have a higher ilvl shield if you still have spark in your bags

[lusty grotto]

not with spark

[cerulean tusk]

I am just waiting for w3, then getting my full m+20 gear

[lusty grotto]

of course

[patent hull]

Any blacksmithing specialization the best for Prot to use?

Thinking Armor smithing without looking anything up lol.

[sturdy sable]

Ppl are going all in on shields

Im pretty sure i can make a good argument for giving me a heroic raid shield over say a healer but not a weapon over a dps (loot council) so i went weapon smith

[patent hull]

makes sense

[cerulean tusk]

"So hear me out, I know I already hold threat and can survive... but it would increase my damage..."

denied

[sturdy sable]

100%

Unless its more then the Dps' increase to give it to me

[lusty grotto]

kinda weird how everyone is hard conditioned to go a profession when crafting orders are in place

[lusty tiger]

Anybody notice from dungeon spam it’s only your shield that needs repair basically

[lusty grotto]

thats normal

welcome to prot

[sturdy sable]

Self reliance is the key to happiness

[lusty grotto]

and has been for... forever

[lusty tiger]

It is extremely un proportional

[cerulean tusk]

Been so used to SL autorepairs, that the truth of that old fact hit me like a truck

[lusty tiger]

Yea lmao

[cerulean tusk]

Yeye, usually you burn through 3 shields per 1 set of armor.

[lusty grotto]

yeah pretty normal

id say since vanilla actually

[lusty tiger]

Vanilla was all my armour breaking from dying over and over to trash mobs

[lusty grotto]

nah shield broke first if you were actively tanking

[sturdy sable]

Lol nobodys allowed to talk about how much more durability damage a shield takes beacuse its "been that way forever"

[cerulean tusk]

Protip: Dont use shieldblock to save on repairs

[lusty tiger]

Not fury prot

[lusty grotto]

fury prot isnt vanilla

its classic

[lusty tiger]

Classic vanilla sorry

Sure

Ok gg old man

[lusty grotto]

[sturdy sable]

Old guard wow players gatekeeping wow is so pointless

[lusty grotto]

nobody is gatekeeping lol

what makes you think that

[cerulean tusk]

New Guard gatekeeping, soon to be the New Old Guard, is my favourite

[somber shell]

if all else fails, have an heirloom shield so you can at least use your abilities 🙂

can infinitely generate them

[lusty grotto]

haha

[mellow flare]

How much downtime should I have in my rotation as Prot?

[lusty grotto]

thats not a bad tip at all

[somber shell]

Saw a hunter do that on a stream with a bow that broke.. mind blown (stupid to let it break/not repair, but he thought to use an heirloom bow mid fight)

[lusty grotto]

0

[modern brook]

not much

we're fairly global locked even with devestator talented

[open gazelle]

Already have 372 everything except shitty luck on shoulders so I used my spark to craft 384 shoulders instead of a shield or weapon (commence shitty negative comments)

[lusty grotto]

well you do you

its your sub heh

[somber shell]

seems smart to me

[lusty grotto]

not to me but such is life

[somber shell]

replace worst slot, dont overthink

[lusty grotto]

could have used a matrix for 380 shoulders

[mellow flare]

I’m finding that I’m having some with my toon.

[open gazelle]

@lusty grotto can we disenchant to get mats back lol

[lusty grotto]

sadly no

[open gazelle]

Oh well

[lusty grotto]

would be great to have the dumb BFA trash can back

[lusty grotto]

usually 0 downtime means bad rage management

[grave crane]

Probably wasting rage or over capping

[lusty grotto]

95% of the cases

i would say

[open gazelle]

Can your farm matrix and make every gear slot 380????

[lusty grotto]

no

well

[open gazelle]

@lusty grotto how does that work then

[lusty grotto]

matrix are m0 boss drops

at least the ones that up to 380

[open gazelle]

Okay I have one of them

[lusty grotto]

ok well you can use it for shield then

[open gazelle]

I can still craft a 380 shield I guess

[lusty grotto]

lvl 70 blue shields turns epic and 380 with it

[mellow flare]

Im thinking the same thing. I kind of hold off on rage spenders so I can use ignore pain and keep shield block rolling with at least one charge. I only hit revenge when it proves.

[open gazelle]

Why did it not give me that option to use for shoulders?

[modern brook]

use revenge

[lusty grotto]

only use IP when nearing cap

you dont use it defensively

[modern brook]

the entire spec revolves around spending rage to reduce your cds

the less you do the less you will do

[lusty grotto]

unless the mob/boss is a spell turret machine which then you replace SB with it

[grave crane]

Legit press more buttons and hit shield slam on cooldown

[mellow flare]

You don’t? I’ve been using it defensively 😦

[lusty grotto]

^

no

[mellow flare]

I’ve really got to read up on this spec more.

[lusty grotto]

i mean IP is great and all but we're 2 expansions past me scolding people for IP spam for no reason

[modern brook]

So at the risk of sounding mean, "defensively" just means wrong here

[mellow flare]

Not mean at all. Just trying to learn.

[modern brook]

THe major things you want to think about when playing

"always keep Shield slam on CD" and "never rage cap" and "maintain shieldblock uptime"

[lusty grotto]

yup listen to bull

[grave crane]

Yeah he do be right

[mellow flare]

I have always felt kind of weak on Prot and been trying to figure out why since I do other tanks okay.

[grave crane]

In aoe you gen so much rage your gonna but ip a lot to stop from over capping. This is because IP is off the gcd so you can press it whenever

[formal raptor]

whats the best secondary stats for prot

[grave crane]

Haste but it’s not that big a deal

[lusty grotto]

generally if that's the case its because youre also not using SB correctly

[craggy pilot]

is there any way to skip quests when lvling up 2nd toon?

[modern brook]

Yes

[lusty grotto]

to add to this, SB is also off gcd

[grave crane]

Once you unlock world quests you can I think

[modern brook]

You unlock adventure mode when you finish campaign on 1

Which is just threads of fate

[grave crane]

Yeah I forgot to add sb and avatar but it was mostly focused on IP as a way to stop rage cap

[craggy pilot]

how do i enable it on my 2nd toon then?

i just landed in DF

[modern brook]

Just like

Walk away

[mellow quartz]

do the first 3 quests

[grave crane]

Isn’t it automatic?

[mellow quartz]

after you get up to the 2nd part right after you land and see the adventure map

its unlocked

you will see world quests on the map etc

[craggy pilot]

ah i already see the world quests

[mellow quartz]

then take the 4 quests from the adventure map

and do whatever you want

[high drum]

help i did 3 m0s without items and im panicing

[mellow quartz]

had you already done those 3 m0's once before this week?

also item drops are not guaranteed per run however 3 in a row with no drops is a bit unlucky, maybe the next 5 will get you 2 drops per run to even it out!

[high drum]

😔

[minor helm]

Skill issue

[high drum]

is there a pin to help

[mellow quartz]

with not getting drops?

[lusty tiger]

?

[mellow quartz]

you joking?

[lusty tiger]

I wish

[high drum]

no im completely serious

[mellow quartz]

.....

[high drum]

should i buy cosmetic mounts

[ocean prairie]

Guys the Wrathion blue quests drop ilvl 368, is there any other outdoor activity that drops so high? I already finished m0s

[lusty tiger]

Buy bitcoin

[mellow quartz]

buy FTX

[lunar sedge]

lol

[strong forum]

Y'all should stop panicking over pre-m+/raid loot

You're trying to min-max gear that'll get replaced literally instantly in 2 weeks

[mellow quartz]

nome you need to make a pin explaining how to 'fix' not getting any m0 drops

[strong forum]

Thats gonna be a long pin

[mellow quartz]

just be 'why am I not getting loot", answer "you are an idiot'

[strong forum]

But it starts with getting the Baa'l battle pet

[minor helm]

It actually starts by sending me two twitch gifted subs for the ichabod pet

[mellow quartz]

'30 day guide to how to get more gear to drop'

[blazing condor]

thats why i got 12 pwarrs

no loot on one? try the next

[lusty tiger]

12

Might as well just multibox 5 at a time

[lusty grotto]

step 1: have plate friends

step 2: ????

step 3: profit

[jagged pier]

step 1: dont care because all loot now will be irrelevant in 2 weeks

step 2: profit

[lusty grotto]

step 4: facts

[lusty grotto]

step 5: true and real

[jagged pier]

☝️

[dusky canopy]

Something I can agree with, Im just going to work order shield

[lusty grotto]

in my server crafting orders get instantly done lol

as soon as you place them

so there's none

but ive heard low pop servers have problems with them, i think people are too used to being self suficient

its a good system, but hard to change player's mindsets

maybe with some more time

and also im seeing people sleeping on crafting gear, which is ridiculously good now with the proper catalysts

[minor helm]

Think there’s just a lot to do including leveling and gotta wait for the casuals to figure it all out

[lusty grotto]

yeah

thats 100% true as well

[lusty tiger]

How can I attain this

I am a solo pve noob

[dusky canopy]

Maid that’s exactly it

The casuals make up most of the craftables

[lusty grotto]

place a crafting order

[lusty tiger]

I can just farm the reagents from heroics?

[lusty grotto]

well you should have a spark

[lusty tiger]

👍

[dusky canopy]

ideally you want the M0 items to get the highest ilvl no?

[lusty grotto]

then do WQs dungeons pvp, anything for Primal Chaos

[dusky canopy]

Like for the work order

[lusty grotto]

dont need m0 items for spark crafts

[dusky canopy]

Oh word

[lusty tiger]

What is the catalyst thing u were talking about

[lusty grotto]

the rest of the items you can buy off the AH

the important ones are the BoP ones which are the spark and the Primal Chaos

a public crafting order requires all mats so just buy the rest non-bop ones

[lusty tiger]

Ez

Probably gonna scoop a shield today

[lusty grotto]

as for non spark crafts, then yes you need m0 titan matrix

for 380 items

[lusty tiger]

My friend got 2 last night

And he does pvp

We did a m0 world tour

[lusty grotto]

hmm i havent tried but

im wondering if they are tradeable

probably not

with people youve ran the m0 with i mean

[lusty tiger]

Like dungeon loot

Interesting

[lusty grotto]

i doubt it but gotta check

[fast knot]

I don't think so, pretty sure from memory they stack and don't show message

[lusty grotto]

yeah makes sense

[dusky canopy]

Any suggestions on where to educate myself about the crafting system?

[fast knot]

If they had trade window they'd be separate stack

[lusty grotto]

so theres a quest in Val

for crafting orders

but obviously everyone just skips it lol

anyway just find the big hammer icon, and the npcs are there to place em

they are kind of similar to auction npcs

they should be here

once you find em, look for the item you want

like an auction

assuming you want Primal Molten Defender, just type that in search

it'll show you mats

you can place public, guild and personal orders

since youre probably gonna do a public one you need to provide all mats

for the guild ones, you dont need to provide everything

you put like idk 1 gold or whatever as payment

place it, then wait

if someone completes it, chat will alert you

and you can get the item in mail

basically every single BoP crafted gear/weapon is obtained by crafting order

so dont get scared by the BoP flag

[slim dove]

is there a trinket from some rare in dragonbane keep? seen it mentioned a few times.

[lusty grotto]

this one?

[slim dove]

maybe

decent?

[lusty grotto]

yeah id say so

[slim dove]

also from what rare

[lusty grotto]

think it drops from rares in wrathion/sebellian area

[slim dove]

ahh

[lusty grotto]

obsidian citadel or w/e

or i could be wrong

[strong forum]

When I tried it it did fuckall dmg

It's a worse rdm

[lusty grotto]

shit maybe its from the community feast ?

i cant remember

[patent osprey]

Dragon Games Equipment

is kinda pog

from academy

big burst when bosses have % dmg increased phases

[sturdy sable]

Battle scared scale is from the dragon riding dungeon drops off the dragon boss

[lusty grotto]

neltharus?

[sturdy sable]

You can also get it from boxes for some reason

Naw the one you actually get to dragon ride in

[lusty grotto]

oh dragon riding dung

nokhud then

[sturdy sable]

I have a m0 one

[lusty grotto]

yeah weird i didnt get it there, i got it from boxes

[sturdy sable]

Its... Okay

[strong forum]

ya dragon games is pretty good for a dungeon trinket

[lyric geode]

To be fair, I would prefer if they delayed the m+ and raids.

It feels great, that you dont have to rush the game.

The quests and zones are amazing

[strong forum]

eh i find myself with nothing to do

[lyric geode]

It is my first time I say this, I am content.

[lusty grotto]

i mean isnt it 2 weeks?

this is week 1

its not next reset but i could be wrong

havent really paid attention to schedule

[minor helm]

Correct opens the 13th

[lyric geode]

So, on wenseday isnt going to happen the m+ or raids?

[minor helm]

No we’re still jacking it another week

[lusty grotto]

it shouldn't im just going by other expansion releases

but ty maid

[minor helm]

M+ and raid releases on weekly reset 13/14

[sweet summit]

TIME TO START DIGGING

[blazing condor]

pog pet battles

[past drum]

got my 379 one from the trial of elements

in dps loot spec as unholy. which was a bummer

[velvet elbow]

aight boys, hit me, Alchemy Stone Trinket, or Engineering Goggles?

[lusty grotto]

shield

put a crafting order if youre not a BS

no reason to use spark on those 2

[noble lynx]

if youre draenor eu i can make you shield

👉 👈

[trim gulch]

does spell block actually block 100% of the damage or a portion?

[lusty grotto]

portion

works same way blocks does

[stark jewel]

hi all, if you have quests ready to turn in that grant rep, is it better to wait for reset to turn them in, to prog the weekly quest faster?

[trim gulch]

gotcha

[lusty grotto]

probably not? you can grind rep with alts and it counts

[stark jewel]

okay ty 😄

[lusty grotto]

renown is account wide remember

also getting the rep isnt that hard tbh

[rain adder]

So are you guys using your spark of creation for now? I have not look into it but I heard both keep/use now.

[lusty grotto]

shield

[velvet elbow]

Proc shield or stat?

[lusty grotto]

see these 2 messages: #protection message

you cant make proc shield

it needs raid mats

and raid isnt out

its primal molten defender only

[fading halo]

Is the pvp gear a good start to run m0?

[potent gulch]

you can run m0 naked

with shield

[fading halo]

Ah even better daddy @potent gulch

[lusty grotto]

Pvp gear is okay I guess, but yes trooper is right

Just put up work orders for lvl 70 crafting gear and that should be enough

If you want to spam heroics or whatever

After m0 lockouts

[fleet sorrel]

@fading halo I tanked every M0 yesterday starting with ilvl 342 gear and I never once felt like I was in danger of dying. So yeah, you can tank them with less gear than that.

[severe steeple]

makes you wonder why there are 2 (TWO) difficulties easier than it

[cobalt grove]

Good to know, I'll dive into them now

[blazing condor]

i feel like heroic dungeons are dead content

[cobalt grove]

The lower difficulties are more for playing catch up on gear

[wild hemlock]

m0s only got spooky once or twice on my 310 veng DH. cant speak for warrior though

[blazing condor]

im still like 270 ilvl from early 9.2 lol

but so far no struggles

[paper garden]

I've been running M0s, Chain pulling 3 groups together is Fun. I still take no damage as long as shield block is up, and I hardly ever use Impending Victory, I consider that an emergency heal button.

[fleet sorrel]

My biggest advice is beware of pugging evoker healers. The class is great, but super punishing for people who don't know what they're doing. 4 of the 5 I ran with yesterday were terrible. Like barely healing more than my prot warrior on bosses bad

[open gazelle]

I think I’m going to make prot pally my second tank, seems more fun than bdk

[paper garden]

for a second tank... I'm up in the air... going with either monk or druid, haven't decided yet.

[wild hemlock]

idk blood dk seems insane

[craggy pilot]

did blizz completely remove Item WQs?

[open gazelle]

Bdk is insane but just running in and blood boiling hoping to keep threat is cringe

[paper garden]

no, you need to complete the campaign to get to WQ

[wild hemlock]

ithink its 100X more fun than when blood had tier. so happy they dropped it

[craggy pilot]

i did, but seems all WQs are gold/rep

[open gazelle]

@craggy pilot that’s how it goes sometimes

[paper garden]

what exactly are you looking to get out of WQ?

[craggy pilot]

gear

i saw a few trinket WQs yesterday, but none today

[paper garden]

Go run Normal/Heroics.

[craggy pilot]

im 366 ilvl, locked to all M0

WQs gave 372 trinkets though

[ionic fern]

I just hit 370

Eyyyy

[wild hemlock]

my sham is only like 358 after doing all m0s 😦

[lyric elm]

We get another week

[blazing condor]

i just did ruby life pools and had 3 evokers all with the same name

one dude playing 3 accs at once

[lyric elm]

Sounds pretty good

Insane burst

[blazing condor]

1 healer 2 dps

made up for about one half of a player

[uncut dome]

Do you use WW over revenge in AOE?

[lusty grotto]

never

delete whirlwind from your bars

[neon fossil]

Can anyone help me understand these

[lusty grotto]

quality

[neon fossil]

Will the higher quality one give my item a higher stats?

[loud patrol]

quality

no

reduced the recipe dificulty

[lusty grotto]

^

[neon fossil]

Okay, and what does that mean?

I don't know much about the new profession system

[lusty grotto]

easier for crafters to craft and get higher quality

on the full item