And so we know the proc chance/rate?
#protection
novel temple
wise iris
Just did a dungeon - Shield of the Hearth buff had 60% uptime. So, decent proc. It is only craftable via Blacksmithing and can be upgraded the usual ways through BS (which I don't think is possible yet until Primal Infusions are available)
sick sentinel
warm plinth
So yeah, absolutely insane defensive ring
You're an absolutely insane defensive ring
GOTTEM
strong forum
Logoff until next week
loud patrol
lmao
zenith vale
Just did a dungeon - Shield of the Hearth buff had 60% uptime. So, decent proc. ...
Is it BOP ?
wise iris
Is it BOP ?
Yes, but you could get it via crafting order.
loud patrol
Rep grind / prof / help guild
im only flying around ohn'ana planes herb colecting and mining
limpid anchor
Hope you do it in wm for more herbs!
sand torrent
Y
limpid anchor
There are empowered herbs and ores
valid sleet
Does Bloodsurge (rage per bleed) proc off Zandalari racial embrace of kimbul, or just off warrior ability bleeds?
limpid anchor
So yea, you get more in wm
acoustic grotto
So yeah, absolutely insane defensive ring
There is a point taking the defensive ring over the offensive one ? (with the proc damage on your attacks/spells)
bold iron
Does Bloodsurge (rage per bleed) proc off Zandalari racial embrace of kimbul, or...
does not
long stone
Where do you got that Ring oO ? Workorder?
bold iron
rep in cobalt assembly
paper coral
Is there a preferred blacksmithing specialization for us? Anything thats kind of BIS or naw?
surreal mesa
any good guides for setting up WA and UI in general for tanking
acoustic grotto
Where do you got that Ring oO ? Workorder?
you need 4/5 rep on cobalt assembly
solar blade
any good guides for setting up WA and UI in general for tanking
there are a lot of personal preferences but in general everbody (that is good) uses the common layout where you have both you and the target frame in the middle of the screen, abilities on bottom edge of screen and just build your weakauras around the place youll find them the most attractive - a guide can be found on youtube, just dont use some random dudes advices
paper coral
Where does ravager fit in our opener?
solar blade
There is a point taking the defensive ring over the offensive one ? (with the pr...
that wouldve been my question aswell
solar blade
Where does ravager fit in our opener?
avatar>ravager>roar>demoshouz
and obviously spend rage on sb and ip
paper coral
I assume this is AFTER charge/leap/shield charge?
solar blade
sure!
paper coral
I mean for a given random pull in a dungeon, I'm popping avatar/ravager/roar/demo when I land from a leap, then probably shockwaving to stun
solar blade
yeah you can do that
youll want the ravager and roar to benefit from avatar and demoshout dmg + a racial if youve got one
uneven lodge
Does macroing thunder clap with ignore pain makes any sense? Prolly not?
solar blade
nooppe
since ip is off gcd and tc is mot
people gotta learn that you can use sb and ip during every single ability you do
no need to macro weird stuff just cuz you dont feel comftable yet 😉
uneven lodge
Alright thanks!
sick sentinel
There is a point taking the defensive ring over the offensive one ? (with the pr...
yea, i dont think prot can proc the damage9
used it for a bit never saw the damage in details
glacial skiff
When doing high M+ would we look to drop a point from ravager or champion's bulwark for battle-scarred vet?
placid vale
Rares are daily or weekly lockout?
glacial skiff
Also why would we take intimidating shout when we could take barbaric training
stiff gate
Also why would we take intimidating shout when we could take barbaric training
Depends if you need another stop for m+ trash or not
edgy spear
Does macroing thunder clap with ignore pain makes any sense? Prolly not?
No. It's gonna eat all your rage and will either affect your SB uptime or leave you rage starved with free globals because you cant revenge to proc SS resets
strong forum
There is a point taking the defensive ring over the offensive one ? (with the pr...
We don't have a reliable way to proc the dmg ring
It only works with spells
ocean finch
It only works with spells
Yes noticed this yesterday, our BM hunter couldnt get it to proc either, so prolly a hotfix will come soon, cause wierd if no melee/hunter would be able to use the ONLY dps ring
warm plinth
When doing high M+ would we look to drop a point from ravager or champion's bulw...
No, if you play properly you won't need BSV
sick sentinel
if you want you can drop impenetrable wall for cheat death
tender cove
If caster has their casting synced, you spell reflect several casts? That's a bug right? Tooltip says first only?
warm plinth
If they hit simultaneously, it will reflect more than one
acoustic grotto
We don't have a reliable way to proc the dmg ring
Oh thanks, i think i have missreading the ring xD
tender cove
If they hit simultaneously, it will reflect more than one
ye, and thats a bug not a feature?
warm plinth
No it's not a bug.
stiff gate
been that way forever
warm plinth
It's always been like that
mortal brook
Server ticks aren't choosy
tender cove
Tooltip explicitly says "reflecting the first spell cast on you"
warm plinth
Yes, we're aware of what it says. And 99% of the time it's true.
tender cove
happens very frequently
warm plinth
But if spells hit simultaneously, there's not really a first one is there
stiff gate
game server tick rate is very low, if spells hit in the same server tick they all get reflected
tender cove
But if spells hit simultaneously, there's not really a first one is there
always a first, it doesn't have to be synced to the millisecond, seems to accept a whole global
warm plinth
I'm not really sure what you're looking for here
Will it make you happy if I just say it's a bug
tender cove
Happy? Not really but it would make you right, if thats what you wanna be.
warm plinth
So if you already had the answer you wanted, why did you ask
tender cove
Because i didnt and you wanted to argue semantics?
warm plinth
you didn't ask?
strong forum
Tooltip explicitly says "reflecting the first spell cast on you"
If both spells hit you at the exact same time, how will it know which one to reflect?
tender cove
you didn't ask?
Yeh, i'm asking because maybe they just didnt update the tooltip and I have a vague memory of us having a version where it reflected all casts for the duration. And then you started saying its working as intended, which its clearly not.
warm plinth
K.
strong forum
In legion you had a specific artifact trait which allowed you to reflect all spells for 5 Seconds
In pvp for arms and fury spell reflect worked for 3 full seconds in bfa iirc
tender cove
If both spells hit you at the exact same time, how will it know which one to ref...
whichever mob started the cast first?
strong forum
With its first introduction in tbc, spell reflect worked like it does now. Reflect as many spells as go off at the same time
tender cove
Should give us the OP version back :p
strong forum
whichever mob started the cast first?
But both go off at the same time?
Like, most mob casts line up
If both casts are 1.5sec and both start at the same time, you'll reflect both
tender cove
But both go off at the same time?
I've noticed they don't have be exactly. It seems to be a good 0.5sec acceptance. Anyhow, i never intended this to be a huge thing. I was just curious if it was supposed to reflect all or not and then here we are xD
strong forum
If its 0.5sec diff, you're not reflecting both
tender cove
travel time
strong forum
Even with 0.1 you're not reflecting both
Travel time doesn't matter
It matters when the cast was finished
Not when the cast Animation landed on you
tender cove
I literally just watched it happen when i wrote it. Their casts were not synced.
Your WA still recorded 2 reflects
strong forum
It matters when the cast was finished
^
warm plinth
All that matters is when the damage of the spell hits. The animation, the travel time, none of that matters. If the spells do damage at the same time, it will reflect both.
strong forum
The only time where travel time does anything is with instant casts mixed with casted casts
A mage can for example hardcast a frostbolt at you, and before it lands it could send a frostlance, and you'd reflect the frostlance but frostbolt would go unreflected
It's not worth worrying about in pve
tender cove
It's not worth worrying about in pve
fair enough, thanks for the detailed breakdown 😄
strong forum
Your best bet is to just hold reflect until the very cast you want to reflect is 0.1sec from finishing
To prevent sniping something else
tender cove
Your best bet is to just hold reflect until the very cast you want to reflect is...
Yeh, i was thinking about bringing this up but didnt wanna make it an even bigger thing lol
strong forum
Also important to note, if you press reflect after the casted spell got sent and is flying due to travel time, you won't reflect it
Reflect has to be up before the cast had been finished
shrewd bronze
Folks, can I pretty much just macro ravager to Avatar for m+?
strong forum
Nah
shrewd bronze
Too much rage gen?
tender cove
Also important to note, if you press reflect after the casted spell got sent and...
good to know, i was thinking about that too 😛
inner hound
They're both GCD anyway right?
strong forum
Avatar is not
acoustic grotto
There is a point to demoshout before roar to increase the damage of TR's bleed ?
strong forum
Absolutely
But it's also fine to demo shout after roar
80% of roars dmg is the bleed component, demo only lasts for 8 sec, the bleed lasts for 10
shrewd bronze
Oh that's good to know
acoustic grotto
Does the bleed damage increase when you demoshout after applying the bleed ?
shrewd bronze
That's what he's saying yeah
surreal maple
demo shout is dynamic so yeah
acoustic grotto
oh nice
shrewd bronze
TR doesn't snapshot
strong forum
Does the bleed damage increase when you demoshout after applying the bleed ?
Snapshotting doesn't exist for anyone but feral druid
acoustic grotto
Thanks for the answer ! very good to know
warm plinth
good to know, i was thinking about that too 😛
I'm sorry I was short with you. I responded more harshly than I intended.
bold linden
Anyone already got some xp regarding Professional? Does IT make Sense to Go weaponsmith for shield and weapon? Or do i get more/better Gear by doing m+? (Which my group is going to do as our endgame)
surreal maple
Anyone already got some xp regarding Professional? Does IT make Sense to Go weap...
i crafted a 374 shield, can't get any better from m0 atm so thats a gain since i dont rely on it to drop anymore
bold linden
Was my plan too. But im a bit overwhelmed of the complexity of Profs
Guess IT IS worth to do it
surreal maple
does anybody know if this trinket is actually good? i dont really like secondary stat trinkets because im missing out on +-250 strenght https://www.wowhead.com/item=198627/blood-of-the-khansguard?bonus=7935
surreal maple
Was my plan too. But im a bit overwhelmed of the complexity of Profs
just read yourself trough everything! i've went for shield crafting first since if you max it out you can rep shield for free (same goes for main hand)
long stone
Ha- wanted to get this too this afternoon
solar crown
Anyone have any info about tanknotes and when they will add dungeons?
bold linden
just read yourself trough everything! i've went for shield crafting first since ...
Thanks! Will do 🙂
crude notch
Anyone have any info about tanknotes and when they will add dungeons?
@gaunt dawn ? Or Maybe @spice crystal
left dagger
Hi guys. I have a question : how do you feel the dmg with prot ? How much do you deal in mm0 in singletarget and AOE ?
long stone
I like the Dmg of prot atm
tender cove
I have a lvl 60 boost. Got warr, pala and druid tanks sorted. Never played or liked BDK but open to being converted. This char will be my herb/mine slave drone but has to be tank class. Thoughts?
strong forum
does anybody know if this trinket is actually good? i dont really like secondary...
1ppm, this trinket is worse than a normal one
long stone
Dädäm 😄
solar crown
Well, if you are just gonna herb/mine i suggest you pick a race that does it fast (tauren, hm tauren). I also would prefer something with mobility (not dk)
Heroic leap is pretty neat if you somehow miss your landing and need to move quickly between nodes. And a bonus is the chad-factor of warriors
hardy snow
I have a lvl 60 boost. Got warr, pala and druid tanks sorted. Never played or li...
druid for flight form to use during gathering in old worlds (and maybe in future ones, as nobody know what will be the future of dragonriding)
oblique garnet
druid for flight form to use during gathering in old worlds (and maybe in future...
you can do gathering professions on top of dragonriding mounts
everything else gets you dismounted
after 50 iirc
clever heart
These 389 rings you can get that peeps were talkin about today. As prot tank in dungeons, which one do you guys think is better ?
normal coral
damage
clever heart
tyty
neon elk
Thats probably the best perk xd
narrow fern
for a new prot, are there any quick tips you could give now in DF?
pallid quiver
press buttons
hardy snow
for a new prot, are there any quick tips you could give now in DF?
quick tip: pull as much as you can and don't die
narrow fern
📓
pallid quiver
On my end, no, seriously, press buttons
Prot's one of the higher APM tanks, and we never have a dead global whatsoever
We're not quite as arthritis causing as S4 Shadowlands,
but you should still be pressing a lot of buttons
strong forum
The dmg one doesn't proc for prot a whole lot
narrow fern
but you should still be pressing a lot of buttons
pretty used to fury so think ill be fine there :hmm
strong forum
So the defensive one is our pick
Because it procs only off of spells
None of our buttons are spells
long stone
@strong forum did you fully tested the „hold key for blablabla“ Option ?
Does it work on Tc?
mental scarab
@clever heart wtf where Do inget the ring 😶
strong forum
or is roars original CD 1.5 min?
Original CD is 1.5min
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> did you fully tested the „hold key for blablabla“ Option ...
Nah
long stone
Because of - dont wanna? XD
tulip kelp
Hmmm
strong forum
Because of - dont wanna? XD
Pmuch, I see absolutely no reason to even test it
warm plinth
we don't spam tc so how would you even use it
long stone
Thought tc on cooldown ?!
warm plinth
Of course you do, but that's not what that function is for
It's for pressing the same button multiple times in a row
If you were to say, hold down the TC button, it would press TC, then you press idk, revenge for example, and now you have to press it again to recast tc
it's not like a turbo controller where it's just endlessly pressing the button
echo elk
mental scarab
@echo elk i thank you
noble lynx
@strong forum is there a point where bolster becomes better than shield charge reprisal defensively?
if i didnt int the math currently its 6.33 sec more shieldblock uptime per minute, is that haste value reachable where that difference becomes meaningless and we just like the lower cd on last stand?
normal coral
How do I get [Earthen Soul] when Im not an engi? I want to place a workorder for shield
tulip kelp
How good is avoidance for us?
radiant magnet
How do I get [Earthen Soul] when Im not an engi? I want to place a workorder for...
buy the zapthrottle soul thing + empty cages. beat down an elite elemental to low %, click the zapthrottle thingy, click the 'yes bind to me' option, then hope it works before your dots kill the elite
tulip kelp
I have a couple 372 helms.. one is vers mastery avoidance and other is haste vers... is haste better?
radiant magnet
15m CD if you miss. also if you dont miss it gives you a 'angry' soul that you need to wait 15m to open for the Earthen Soul you actually want
warm plinth
I have a couple 372 helms.. one is vers mastery avoidance and other is haste ver...
I would give zero fucks about tertiaries until much later
tulip kelp
Yeah leaning towards haste vers
strong forum
if i didnt int the math currently its 6.33 sec more shieldblock uptime per minut...
You get 16sec of SB from reprisal in 1.5min, 15sec from Bolster every 2 minutes, so in just raw SB uptime SC beats it by insane amounts
noble lynx
You get 16sec of SB from reprisal in 1.5min, 15sec from Bolster every 2 minutes,...
I mathed 6min and its 64 from reprisal and 45 from bolster
But i guess last stand is not that sick of a cd for war
strong forum
Reprisal grants you extra 20 rage and damage, whereas Bolster grants you 30% hp every 2 minutes
You'll have to use LS on CD to barely keep up SB rotationally meaning you have to pop it even when the 30% buff isn't gonna be all that useful
And yeah LS is just really underwhelming
You get safer SB uptime with Bulwark
warm plinth
No see, it's an oh shit button Nome. You pull, you almost die because you don't know what Shield Block is, you press Last Stand, you get healed for 30% and you have shield block up for 15 seconds and then you die when the shield block falls. 😏
noble lynx
I guess its good in early season to learn dungeons
But then drop it once you know wtf youre doing
warm plinth
I mean, you don't need to know the dungeons to know how to press your buttons though
noble lynx
Good as in less brain allocated
noble lynx
I mean, you don't need to know the dungeons to know how to press your buttons th...
How to pull the packs efficiently tho you need to know the dungeon
warm plinth
But from what Nome is saying, you're actually safer re: SB uptime with Bulwark, so that would actually be the play anyway
More leeway if you get distracted for a second
noble lynx
I think i will just play both first week cause i play like a retard usually when i dont know the dungeons
warm plinth
I'll pray for you
strong forum
I play HR anyway
warm plinth
Odyn pls watch over our boy Scytherr
noble lynx
Self crafted shield will protect me
warm plinth
I know you only have one eye but give it a try
strong forum
The King of Skyhold
long stone
The King of all !
narrow fern
You mean skovald?
neon elk
Can someone explain to me how does that assault on dragonbane works ?? There is like 40 min timer and to me it seems bit random when it starts ?
echo osprey
hey there, quick question 😄 since i am pretty new to warrior tank - do we EVER use Rend manually?
strong forum
No
long stone
You mean skovald?
Wow wow wow … playing with fire Here
radiant magnet
Can someone explain to me how does that assault on dragonbane works ?? There i...
my server - the timer is wrong. basically a group a dracthyr invade djaradin area to reclaim their home. acts just like a scenario w/ mini objectives and a final boss. triggers if you're in the area.
open gazelle
I play bolster so playing into the fray feels good
But you do you
I don’t like any gaps in my sb
And yes there will be couple second gaps with no sb charges if you don’t play HR
neon elk
my server - the timer is wrong. basically a group a dracthyr invade djaradin ar...
Yea i was folowing timer, and it seems to not be doing anything, do i realy just have to wait there endlesly till it starts ?
radiant magnet
Yea i was folowing timer, and it seems to not be doing anything, do i realy just...
where that horn is on the map, there should be a group of NPCs hanging out before it starts for like 10m or so. if they arent there, fly north into the djaradin area and see if they're already moving. if no scenario thing pops up, go do something else and try again later I guess
neon elk
where that horn is on the map, there should be a group of NPCs hanging out befor...
Yea there was that horn and timer was showing like 40ish mins, waited like 13 and they did not move a inch so i gave up
radiant magnet
it was bug reported in beta, but apparently they missed it. if you're nearby I think theres some yell/RP when it starts
so just farm the area I guess til you get it. or hack the server and fix their code!
keen loom
Anyone with the knowledge about when/if the spell reflect WA will be updated?
strong forum
Don't use pawn
runic tundra
anyone have a Pawn config string for M+
ilvl > current ilvl = good
strong forum
Stat weights are a relic of the past
cobalt seal
For pretty much 99% of specs
narrow fern
Wow wow wow … playing with fire Here
Godking skovald for 2023 
mellow quartz
where that horn is on the map, there should be a group of NPCs hanging out befor...
Nah, there are 2 timers for the event. When the supply cart has moved up already and the ‘forward base’ has been build you are probably to late if you haven’t been there from the start as the boss has probably been killed already. The timer on the map however stays in place until it runs out and only after that fact will you see the Horn move back out and a new 1h timer starts. The 2nd timer is the ‘real’ timer for when the event starts from the beginning. Then tooltip of the horn is just badly written for when the assault is underway.
neon elk
Nah, there are 2 timers for the event. When the supply cart has moved up already...
And when they are spawned, how do you find out how long until even actualy starts?
mellow quartz
Look at the timer and wait for it to run down. Then afterwards a new timer pops up and counts down from 1h. The new timer is when the event starts again.
It’s 1h after the current event timer runs out.
Timer you see by hovering the mouse over the horn.
noble lynx
Stat weights are a relic of the past
Ok but is 15% haste and 12% vers enough 
true cairn
Cobalt assembly how worth is that to farm it dmg and defensive wise to farm for rep?
noble lynx
Irrelevant but nothing better to do
noble lynx
Unless you wanna have fun
mellow quartz
You get torghast like powers
mellow quartz
Custom group finder is full of ‘cobalt farm’ groups to join
mellow quartz
we have farmed for 1 hour - 1 hour and 30 min
Pull bigger and more and make sure to loot all the corpses
noble lynx
and still not done
Do at least 3 people in your group have keyboard
mellow quartz
Best to do at ‘off hours’
Or you end up flying around trying to find big groups to gather
And just see 3-5 packs only.
Best when you can pull 10+
urban bane
No, they hotfixed it to reduce the drop rate of the rep item
I was grinding last night for about 2 hours doing big pulls with friends and only got about 1/3rd thru medium
hearty sphinx
hey, haste or vers for alchemist trinket pls ?
sand mason
Is any crafted gear apart of our “BiS” gear?
dark warren
which prof are u guys pairing for prot?
sand mason
But raid isnt out - so BiS is relativ
I understand that but I’m considering If it’s worthwhile for me to dump energy into blacksmith.
drifting pewter
which prof are u guys pairing for prot?
I'm leaning to m+ and alch eng has always been nice, but I'm not entirely set yet, I'm still double gathering atm
long stone
I understand that but I’m considering If it’s worthwhile for me to dump energy i...
I heard the shield should be Good - but it’s Ypur Choice - i Pump in BS anyway because - hey we get a amboss pet xD
sturdy sable
Buddy of mine solod it in 30min
Yeah i had inadvertently gotten almost all the rep doing the daily yesterday
By myself
neon elk
So is it still around 1h or no?
urban bane
From my experience last night, no. Not at all.
rich beacon
Gotta find an empty shard. I ran around without wm and got like 400 rep in an hour because it was flooded. Joined a wm group and blasted out the rest of it in 50min.
urban bane
Was that after the hotfix?
glacial skiff
Should you never use shield charge unless the target has demo shout on them first?
the way champions bulwark reads is as if its a good opener option to charge, but it does a metric fuck ton of damage so im thinking demo shout with booming voice would be better first, or shortly after
ocean bloom
slam it on CD, unless you have demo shout/avatar up then press those first of course
last crest
when it comes to the trinkets, are the darkmoon any good ?
blazing condor
darkmoon are usually good entry level trinkets for high ilvl before you start raidin
bold linden
when it comes to the trinkets, are the darkmoon any good ?
Icy veins says decent alternative If you have No drop luck
last crest
what im asking is if its worth the 600k or not 
sweet summit
they are not
bold linden
Wouldnt buy IT for 600k
solar blade
the way champions bulwark reads is as if its a good opener option to charge, but...
i always do charge/leap+charge>avatar+racial>ravager>roar>demo>shield charge fitted in demo shout window
excluded sb and ip here for simplicity*
keen spruce
Prot is invincible in dungeons rn man. I’m loving this ish. Using dorkis layout. Great toolkit.
Haste around 18%, feels great
solar blade
it surely is but is dorki using into the fray in his build atm? feels like its the way to go till higher keys
mellow quartz
Most tanks are invincible in trivial content 🤷♂️
last crest
Haste around 18%, feels great
it feels dog compared to being used to 30% T,T
mellow quartz
I sit here at 8% haste and the gcd is so long that I feel like I am lagging cause my muscle memory is used to buttons being available sooner lol
keen spruce
Most tanks are invincible in trivial content 🤷♂️
With a healer alt, I can say false
keen spruce
Bad players != bad tanks.
Def
urban bane
yeah i imagine with heroics and m0s you run into more riffraff or people learning something new
glacial skiff
Yeah my HP didnt drop at all in this dungeon i did, forget the name but it was long AF and had a frog boss
and a bunch of dragons
weirdly the frog boss 1 shot me on heroic somehow lmao
mellow quartz
I was leveling a prot paladin in dungeons yesterday and had multiple instances of lvl 70 dps classes doing 2k overall damage in normally dungeons.
People being bad at the game is nothing new.
keen spruce
2k? Wow
solar crown
https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/news/us/hotfixes-november-30-2022-23874322
is this fixed, or is it still farmable without 1-2 hours?
urban bane
is this fixed, or is it still farmable without 1-2 hours?
Someone above said they did it in a big WM group via group finder in about an hour
Might be worth trying that
solar crown
sounds promising. Do you have it? Someone in the comments said the stats are 'way less', whatever that means
urban bane
I don’t. Going to try again tonight in a larger group but yeah after about 2 hours with my smaller group I just couldn’t be assed.
sturdy sable
Shield provides solid absorb too
I went with the dps ring
urban bane
Yeah it took less time before the hotfix linked above.
chilly ermine
is there any plater mod for showing reflectable spells in a special colour?
i just have the one für SL spells, dont finde an updated for DF
swift mulch
For the gulping goliath...is the only way to drop the stacks is to kite?
crisp dragon
How is Dragonflight so far? I haven't really seen anyones opinions on it that tried to remain unbiased
crisp dragon
i played one hour so far
buying rn
untold crow
I skipped shadowlands, came back a few days before xpac leveling 50-60 in SL not knowing about the chromie scaling thing.... going from awfully scaled quests in SL to DF.... 10/10 lol
crisp dragon
I skipped shadowlands, came back a few days before xpac leveling 50-60 in SL not...
That is torture haha
untold crow
by 59 i was in maldraxxus getting 1400xp per quest lol
crisp dragon
I leveled so many characters in SL, you're making me vomit with the thought of doing quests for that little in those zones
swift mulch
Its really hard to give an opinion on a expansion thats a couple days old
Imo, the dungeons and content is better than what shadowlands was
crisp dragon
Its really hard to give an opinion on a expansion thats a couple days old
I realize that, especially with the honeymoon period going on right now, which is also why I have to ask
Why are the dungeons better? IS it because it's fresh, or is it something with the dungeons that make them better?
swift mulch
I like the aesthetic more mostly. Some dungeons will be pretty hard when they will be in the mythic rotation.
I usually hate gimmick dungeons but nokhud offensive is a pretty good gimmick dungeon.
Theres a lot of things that need to be kicked so more interactive
modern brook
nokhud offensive is absolute dog water
shittiest dungeon ever made ever in the history of the game
and im including lower kara, tol dagor, Kings Rest, and seat of the triuvirant
minor helm
Whatever the dragon riding one is sucks cock
modern brook
thats cockhud
minor helm
modern brook
in spite of nokhud offensive
minor helm
Packs before last boss are illegally bad
modern brook
i agree dungeon design is way better
crisp dragon
So already a dungeon that's a bit controversial
modern brook
theres no controversy
the only redeaming quality of it is that dragon flying is fun
modern brook
absolutely every part of that dungeon is absolute shit
minor helm
The ballista boss is the worst thing I’ve ever seen
Just non stop ads running away from boss you have to kill
crisp dragon
How many dungeons at max lvl?
swift mulch
At m0 easy
modern brook
How many dungeons at max lvl?
8 new dungeons
swift mulch
You will die on some bosses if you dont do research beforehand
modern brook
and i think know 4 in rotation from previous expansions when m+ drops
crisp dragon
I really hated the big dungeons in like the .1 or .2 patches that gets split up into new m+ dungeons, that shit wack
minor helm
That will probably happen again
They are big fans of mega dungeons
My biggest complaint about taz was it’s release gear wasn’t worth getting after they nerfed the neck so I never ran it and hardly ever did the split m+ dungeons of it
modern brook
I didnt enter taz until october of this year
and i was actively playing when it was new content
in general im a fan of mega dungeons
mellow quartz
Mega dungeons are usually to spice things up towards the end of an expac so who knows what they are thinking now with the rotating dungeons per season.
The mega dungeon itself doesn’t really have a place before it gets split to m+
mellow quartz
S3 is probably just ‘best of the first 2 seasons, 2 old dungeons brought back and a mega dungeon split to 2
minor helm
But then they got turbo nerfed
mellow quartz
But then what will they do for S4 (if we get one) 🤔
minor helm
S3 is probably just ‘best of the first 2 seasons, 2 old dungeons brought back an...
I’d bet s3 is the same 4 as s1
Then if we get s4 same as s2
mellow quartz
Nah
minor helm
But yeah 2 old and 2 mega from then on
modern brook
So was tickling sack
minor helm
mellow quartz
The whole point was to avoid running the ‘same’ all expansion. So they won’t just roll the same 4 from s1 into s3 etc.
modern brook
typing hard
modern brook
Mega dungeons are usually to spice things up towards the end of an expac so who ...
end of expac?
blazing condor
actually black rock depth was available very early on 🤓
modern brook
i feel like they've all been released in season 2, turned into m+ in season 3
IDK wtf a black rock depths is
minor helm
IDK wtf a black rock depths is
Gotta be a million years old
modern brook
little known fact: dog's crown was earned for remembering the oldest things
novel tangle
guys, anyone knows where I can find some mdt routes for the new dungeons ?
mellow quartz
i feel like they've all been released in season 2, turned into m+ in season 3
Meant the m+ part of them
mellow quartz
guys, anyone knows where I can find some mdt routes for the new dungeons ?
Hold W, routes don’t matter now.
past lark
yo might be a stupid question but did they change prot talents overnight?
mellow quartz
No
modern brook
they did change them over the last like 4 months
so if you were asleep fora long time i could see why you might think that
past lark
hey definitely not what i asked right?
modern brook
past lark
oh im dumb, just not the same way you thought i was
lime rivet
hey definitely not what i asked right?
lol your avatar perfectly matches your response
past lark
lmfao
nah its worse, i was looking at ravager capstone thinking "why is there no choice node" then remembered thats only for fury
i started hyperventilating, too much PTSD from insta nerfs when warriors have fun
foggy lynx
is storm slam SR-able?
modern brook
no
the physical portion is blockable but also not whts killing you
the nature damage portion is not reflectable but the debuff that makes you die is apparently dispellable
grave crane
It’s a new expansion I expect healers to take a bit of time to figure that out
modern brook
i say apparently cause i havnet done my m0s yet so i dont know from experience but everyone who has done them has said that it just needs to be dispelled
but the q comes up a lot as tanks die instantly open their death recap and say "huh thats a lot"
rose cobalt
Literally me yesterday wondering how I took a 200k hit
mellow quartz
The whole point of the tank hit and debuff is for the healer to dispel you so you do not die to subsequent casts.
The physical damage part of the hit stays the same and the nature part is what will 1 shot you at high enough stacks if it’s not dispelled.
2-3 stacks started to be lethal on +15-17s on beta without using defensives.
urban bane
and he still casts while on his horse dragon, ya?
sand smelt
Can dravthyr healers dispell it
modern brook
IDT theres a haeler that cant dispell magic debuffs
strong forum
its magic, every healer can dispel magic, would be omega useless if they couldnt
wary heath
is there a simple addon to help track shield block, and other active mitigations, or would a WA be better ?
track as in like, i pressed the button, i can see how long it's active for
what do you guys use
main vault
Hi Nom
scenic path
what do you guys use
Weak auras
scenic path
what do you guys use
Maybe something here will work for you https://wago.io/dragonflight-weakauras/classes/warrior/protection
wary heath
thanks chief ! some of these look great
bold wave
i´ve heard there are some juicy emblished crafted setpieces. are they worth to craft?
main vault
@strong forum does your WA pack have sounds like Cathas
noble lynx
i really dislike how bitter immunity is locked behind improved leap
mellow quartz
and he still casts while on his ~~horse~~ dragon, ya?
Yes
mellow quartz
i really dislike how bitter immunity is locked behind improved leap
What do you want bitter immunity for?
noble lynx
thats irrelevant
neon elk
Imp leap is bis for me
severe hatch
Anyone else noticing that your shield durability is getting demolished relative to other gear?
main vault
it does get hit alot
noble lynx
thats normal ye
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> does your WA pack have sounds like Cathas
no
main vault
shit WA
strong forum
im a normal humna
craggy pilot
anyone know if theres a way to disable those circle shit things that come up when stuff like SS resets?
default blizz ui
crystal mauve
anyone know if theres a way to disable those circle shit things that come up whe...
Yes, in the basic settings you can remove them (reduce to 0% visibility)
Game settings I mean, no need of any WA or addons*
craggy pilot
Yes, in the basic settings you can remove them (reduce to 0% visibility)
where do you mean?
i cant find it 😦
astral orbit
Yoyo fellow prot Warriors, is there a wowhead page on a complete in depth guid?
guide*
unborn rampart
neon elk
Is it trinket or what ?
neon elk
But damn 10min cd
echo cloud
still does alot of dmg
blazing condor
free damage even if its on 10m
echo cloud
and i think you can use two of them im not sure though
cause engineering can use 2 tinker lsots
open gazelle
Bis way to farm primal chaos?
quasi mulch
Mythics
echo cloud
did a million dmg in a dungeon atleast
open gazelle
384 goggle require spark?
open gazelle
Meh I’ll craft shield first
echo cloud
do we only have access to one currently?
quasi mulch
I want one
mellow quartz
My understanding was you only got one spark in the first 2 weeks. The one from the campaign.
Could be wrong though.
mellow quartz
Imagine crafting before running mythics
heavy glen
I'm thinkijng of trying a M0 at 300. Am I insane?
mellow quartz
Nope
strong forum
should be fine
neon elk
Just dont do too much yolo pulls and u fine
Especialy in that ofense dungeon, at last packs
lusty tiger
so enduring scale has no icd or what?
lusty tiger
it procced while i still had the buff tho
mellow quartz
Is that the stamina one with the proc?
mellow quartz
Or the str one with shield
lusty tiger
str
mellow quartz
K
strong forum
it procced while i still had the buff tho
1ppm doesn't mean it can't proc back to back
It means on average it'll proc once per minute
You can proc it 5 times back to back and then not get a single proc for 5 minutes
lusty tiger
echo cloud
Imagine crafting before running mythics
imagine not crafting an item that does 9th on your total dmg
lusty tiger
didnt know that exactly
scenic path
for gearing up right now does this sound like roughly the right order:
- m0 world tour
- rep vendor stuff? like the 389 rings?
- a big 'ol crafted piece
mellow quartz
How so
mellow quartz
What’s the actual ppm?
slim dove
wowhead says 2ppm
slim dove
even dps can use it lol
mellow quartz
Won’t make it to mythic week
ember glacier
I see the guides talent into rend even though you never use it manually. Is there a reason for that?
mellow quartz
Actually it’s a 70k shield right? So abt 1.1k hps.
We have abt 400k hp at ilvl 400.
lofty widget
I see the guides talent into rend even though you never use it manually. Is ther...
cause blood and thunder doesnt work if you dont talent into rend
ember glacier
cause blood and thunder doesnt work if you dont talent into rend
ah I see, thank you!
narrow fern
question: any tip for doing big aoe dmg? like order of skills to use
modern brook
stack cds and press revenge
mellow quartz
TC does more damage with UF during Avatar.
south zealot
does the cobalt ring do 0 damage for you guys too
modern brook
does the cobalt ring do 0 damage for you guys too
doesnt work on warriors cause honest gamers
south zealot
what a dumb bug
narrow fern
stack cds and press revenge
should i macro avatar and ravager togheter? :hmm
mellow quartz
If the aoe is big enough to carry your rage gen with TC and bloodsurge spam then just TC and revenge
warm plinth
If that's the damage one, pretty sure it's supposed to work for us but it only procs off spells
south zealot
apparently id does 7-8% damagfe for unholy
modern brook
should i macro avatar and ravager togheter? :hmm
no
Avatar cd is reduced by AM, ravager's isnt so
you will avatar w/o rav often
narrow fern
i see ok
mellow quartz
apparently id does 7-8% damagfe for unholy
prediction: Todays hotfixes ‘all cobalt rings nuked from orbit’
untold blaze
hello guys what is the best professional for us xD?
mellow quartz
apparently id does 7-8% damagfe for unholy
Also at what ilvl is the dps? The % it does will go down significantly when he gets higher ilvl.
narrow fern
stack cds and press revenge
should i go like this, Avatar-ravager-roar-shout and spam revenge? :hmm
south zealot
Also at what ilvl is the dps? The % it does will go down significantly when he g...
idk
but the point is it literally doesnt function for me
mellow quartz
should i go like this, Avatar-ravager-roar-shout and spam revenge? :hmm
You wanna go in with charge avatar sb tc demo shout roar ravager
modern brook
^alyrion typs faster than me
mellow quartz
but the point is it literally doesnt function for me
We don’t have want ‘spells’ I believe
modern brook
should i go like this, Avatar-ravager-roar-shout and spam revenge? :hmm
also you dont want to spam revenge sorry if i gave that impression
narrow fern
You wanna go in with charge avatar sb tc demo shout roar ravager
sb?
mellow quartz
Shield block
modern brook
TC is more damage in avatar than revenge
narrow fern
ah
strong forum
what a dumb bug
Not a bug
strong forum
The ring only procs off of spells
modern brook
the point was more just "spend rage offensively if you wantt o do damage"
south zealot
madge
modern brook
Also i wouldnt concern yourself overly with memorizing a set pattern of cd usage
stack CDs whe possible, generate and spend rage without overcapping
damage will come from there
narrow fern
Also i wouldnt concern yourself overly with memorizing a set pattern of cd usage
well it was if i had a good set up or burst on a boss
wat i did was , shieldcharge-avatar-ravager-roar-demo but i gues thats wrong
modern brook
I would argue playing the fundementals of the class correctly would have a higher impact than optimizing a global or two in a 2-5 minute fight
swift mulch
You could also go into battle stance for CDs
modern brook
wat i did was , shieldcharge-avatar-ravager-roar-demo but i gues thats wrong
shield charge shouldnt be used to open fights raw
its a amage cooldown
you want it with avatar, demo, etc
you have regular charge to get to places
narrow fern
so i avatar before i use shield charge?
urban bane
ideally because it hits like a truck
narrow fern
ideally because it hits like a truck
i see, im abit bricked from fury so i wanna use avatar on mobs not before i get to them haha
mighty valley
you just ideally want avatar running for all of your big damage buttons - shield charge, ravager, thunderous roar
urban bane
You can shield charge in melee!
strong forum
Ravager - charge + avatar - TC - Demo - roar - SC
mighty valley
^
modern brook
Ravager - charge + avatar - TC - Demo - roar - SC
did they fix the rav bug?
strong forum
Alternatively
Rav - charge + avatar + Demo when close - TC - roar - SC - TC/rev
narrow fern
should i remove rav @playe'r macro?
mellow quartz
I find a lot of packs I wanna jump in first to get the mobs to move towards me before using any abilities. Where as if you just charge in or aggro from range with ravager they will stand still and refuse to move later.
mighty valley
yeah, you often want to throw it at pack before charge
grave crane
should i remove rav @playe'r macro?
I like my player macro so I can just throw it down when mobs are grouped up
mellow quartz
I dislike the positional changes in many packs you get from throwing ravager at range first.
modern brook
i thought rav being first lost ticks of damage
mellow quartz
It still does afaik
strong forum
It does
But it's better threat and doesn't fuck with demo order
It also Sims higher if yiu send it before Demo
modern brook
cool
strong forum
But that's cuz it's already in range
hardy ridge
Naowh is saying HR is not as good as ITF for m+, has anything changed?
ionic fern
Nope.
mellow quartz
ITF is more damage in aoe. You just need a lot of haste to keep SB up 100% of the time.
slim dove
do you still need val'jar exalted for the worldbreaker scale to spawn?
the hidden prot artifact skin.
hardy ridge
ITF is more damage in aoe. You just need a lot of haste to keep SB up 100% of th...
His m+ built runs ITF + Bolster
hardy ridge
There's an issue?
ionic fern
Idk, you brought this topic up ?
hardy ridge
Yeah, HR vs ITF + Bolster
strong forum
It's literally pinned as an alternate build.
With an explanation with the differences
hardy ridge
gotcha, i'll have a look
main vault
Good to see it’s all discords not just DG
hardy ridge
I just remember Nome saying he would only run ITF in meme keys lmao
strong forum
Yes
Cuz it's shit damage unless you can get 5 stacks
And the hardest sections of keys are bosses
You'll never have 5 stacks on bosses with a normal comp
mighty valley
personally not gonna be going pure optimized big pulls AOE build until after a few weeks - early keys are more likely bricked by bosses when everyone's learning the dungeons in my experience
strong forum
And also won't have 100% sb uptime on them
So you're creating a weakness for yourself
Just because you want a bit of aoe dmg
hardy ridge
Yeah, those are good points, ig it depends how much more dps ITF gives you
mellow quartz
His m+ built runs ITF + Bolster
ITF and Bolster still requires high haste for full block uptime.
Not like it matters a lot now given trivial damage intakes
strong forum
You're also losing 3-4% dmg overall because you don't have nails
mellow quartz
Think when I tested on beta on dummy at 30% haste with ITF, bolster, ED and bulwark I had gabs at 3min 30s and 5min 45s
strong forum
Dunno if 30% haste is reachable anymore with how omega nerfed gems are now
I lost like 10% haste when they nerfed them
narrow fern
Alternatively
Rav - charge + avatar + Demo when close - TC - roar - SC - TC/rev
SC = shield charge?
mellow quartz
On the 4 dummies ITF was quite a bit more dps even after subtracting nails
strong forum
SC = shield charge?
Yes
strong forum
On the 4 dummies ITF was quite a bit more dps even after subtracting nails
For me it's was only like 2-3k dps if you count in nails
mellow quartz
I am definitely not playing ITF when keys come out until I get giga haste values
strong forum
Same
mellow quartz
For me it's was only like 2-3k dps if you count in nails
Same for me
If you are fine with SB gabs you can run ITF but for most people the 100% guaranteed SB uptime is more valuable than marginally more aoe dps, which is probably just padding damage anyway.
narrow fern
i was playing ITF cus its the default on wowhead :despair
mellow quartz
You can play without talents these 2 weeks 🤷♂️
narrow fern
You can play without talents these 2 weeks 🤷♂️
im trying to learn im new to tanking and warrior, first time ive ever played warrior
strong forum
Both builds are fine
Both have upsides and downsides
I prefer to have ultra SB uptime without wasting a thought and just go ham
Itf has higher highs, and lower lows
HR + nails is consistently good
mellow quartz
Especially if you are new to pwar go for the ‘safer’ option of HR over ITF.
I have 8% haste right now and SB uptime sucks even with HR lol
hardy ridge
Thank you for a concise answer nome 
strong forum
Ya depends on SS resets a bit there
fierce field
It can only go up from there though 🙂
strong forum
Only time I've dropped SB was in aoe where I padded revenges instead of pressing SS
And I guess prolonged fighting of 5mil hp elites solo
strong forum
Yes
echo cloud
thats a new one you can get interrupted channeling the neltharion breath ....
slim dove
also annih fury can solo almost anything
narrow fern
do you guys use demo shout on cd? by that i mean on CD on bosses, and if ur still in a pack and it comes up
loud patrol
also annih fury can solo almost anything
what
strong forum
do you guys use demo shout on cd? by that i mean on CD on bosses, and if ur stil...
Yes, everything on CD
narrow fern
Yes, everything on CD
ok thanks ❤️
loud patrol
that pseudo dh bs can do anything?
slim dove
i wipe my taint with DHs in pvp rn
but no
annih fury heals for giga
dmg doesn't suffer at all
slim dove
we're talking about soloing world content
pallid quiver
So has anyone with actual gear gone back and see how old SL raids feel? There's some transmog I want to start farming for over time once I actually get gear now that I'm capped
slim dove
So has anyone with actual gear gone back and see how old SL raids feel? There's ...
i did some bfa raids, my damage wasn't multiplied so shit takes a while
still easy just tedious
narrow fern
i wipe my taint with DHs in pvp rn
you can kill DHs? well i dont even have pvp gear yet :lol
pallid quiver
I was wondering if we had the DPS for SL raids, so that's concerning if BFA are long
pallid quiver
Okay, so that's less than the SL world boss I hit for an attempt at a helm, since he had like 9.9m or something
About halfish
So might be doable, i dunno, i dont know enrage mechanics that well for sl i only did lfr because i couldnt be assed
loud patrol
i mean xpac started like 3 days ago
doing old raids wont be in my mind until the 1st pátch
cobalt seal
I was wondering if we had the DPS for SL raids, so that's concerning if BFA are ...
We should have dps for bfa stuff
Maybe
Because they still didnt unfuck bfa
Doubt we have for sl
pallid quiver
That's what I was figuring. I'd probably need to, bare minimum, bring a friend
obtuse marten
When you guys grab avatar+roar+shockwave which capstones do you get?
mighty valley
UF, Thunderous Words
cinder nova
UF and-
cinder nova
UF, Thunderous Words
🥷
mighty valley
SMOKEBOMB
cinder nova
Fucking weebs
obtuse marten
I dont see the point in gettinf shockwave without sonic boom
mighty valley
for the aoe stun
cinder nova
It's an AOE stun in M+
loud patrol
stun
obtuse marten
Just feels sad lol
loud patrol
sonic boon isnt even worth it
cinder nova
It's an additional kick.
mighty valley
if you use it as a DPS cooldown, you fuck over your group's ability to do CC
cinder nova
And it stops unkickable casts on CC'able mobs.
cinder nova
Just UF and TW
loud patrol
people saying is worth it, we already talked about this at the start of beta the dmg is not worth it
cinder nova
Uproar isn't worth it in M+
mighty valley
shockwave is just a useful m+ tool, can absolutely drop it in raid
cinder nova
^
obtuse marten
Uproar isn't worth it in M+
Why do you think that? Cd every avatar seems good
mighty valley
or you can take sonic boom for fun if you're just doing open world stuff
cinder nova
Because you aren't going to be gigapulling every pull unless you're doing baby stuff.
You're going to be on an on-off cadence of pulling big around DPS CDs and yours.
This is basic M+ stuff
mighty valley
also avatar has a variable cooldown
cinder nova
Having roar up over CC is dogwater
Not dying to CC mechanics > a little extra damage
hollow plume
Anyone has a working cast sequence macro that work. Castsequence macro seems bugged.
I would like to do Shield Charge when I press once … then charge and charge when I press 2nd and 3nd time
somber shell
Not dying to CC mechanics > a little extra damage
excellent take
hollow plume
<:xeos:945501697847992341>
No point…
somber shell
guides often underestimate value of utility.. hunter guide didn't recommend tranq shot for instance!
loud patrol
No point…
if you dont want to just use a modifier
like normal= charge, normal+shift= shield charge
somber shell
guide doesnt even mention berserker rage
urban portal
because the guide writers have neither raided nor did deep digging into m+
somber shell
and yeah I take bounding strides also. BiS talent.
urban portal
for all you know theres 0 fears in raid
99% of raid fears are horrifies which doesnt work with beserker rage
and in m+ its still hit or miss
loud patrol
in + most fears are kickable
and after a while they are predictable
like the warmongers in brackenhide they cast fear after ragestorm
sturdy sable
guides often underestimate value of utility.. hunter guide didn't recommend tran...
Its not like hunters used tranq shot to begin with lol
urban portal
its not that guides underestimate utility
guides are meant for general use
not for specific cases
mellow quartz
Utility is just that, utility. If you need it you take it.
somber shell
Its not like hunters used tranq shot to begin with lol
lol, i was triggered because when the prepatch came out I went to do an Iron Docks key with my hunter and was in a rush, so I pulled the reommended M+ build off wowhead and it lacked both scare beast and tranq shot, I couldnt figure out what was happening in the moment
mellow quartz
Not generally recommended in all situations.
somber shell
pressing button, nothing happening
urban portal
thats not their fault
mighty valley
midlevel pug keys are gonna be the worst they've ever been
"sorry don't have that talent" all over the place
mellow quartz
Imagine not looking at what talents you take and blindly copying a guide and then being mad you miss stuff..
somber shell
I'm a smooth brain I don't want to be in a scenario where I need it and don't have it because I forgot to switch builds, so I just take it and accept a couple % less DPS potentially
somber shell
Imagine not looking at what talents you take and blindly copying a guide and the...
IKR ? I blame my friends who were pressuing me to get the key started
somber shell
midlevel pug keys are gonna be the worst they've ever been
yes! and then they point to the guide as the reason why....
urban portal
i mean
round delta
Hey guys, is there a macro to put both skill in the same button but putting Shift?
loud patrol
i just play with friends
,i dont have friends 
round delta
🤔
loud patrol
Hey guys, is there a macro to put both skill in the same button but putting Shif...
yeah a modifier macro
minor helm
[mod:shift]
round delta
Charge and shield charge i mean
loud patrol
[mod:shift]
this
open gazelle
What other trinket am I going for? I like enduring scale and burgeoning seed?
The stam trinket seems awful from uldaman, have to fall below 50% health for it to proc
fast knot
What was the fire whirl trinket from
Can't recall the name 🤔
Was good in practice from M+ on beta
loud patrol
What was the fire whirl trinket from
fast knot
Yee
round delta
Is there some "BiS" stuff to configure the addon or just look for haste things
loud patrol
im using this
round delta
And versa
round delta
XD thats for sure
minor helm
I got this but it feels so bad for arms 
minor helm
Yeah
urban portal
or during
minor helm
Bs also makes it really bad
urban portal
wym
minor helm
It’s casts
urban portal
it'll still stack during bs
minor helm
Wasn’t for me last night
urban portal
well its supposed to
minor helm
I’ll watch closer
urban portal
probably implementation is wrong
open gazelle
Oh @loud patrol that trinket use then just impend victory holy fook
Great combo I just realized
mellow quartz
Also, I came up with a weird idea for a build
We can all put stupid things in the calculator. Do you have a question or?
spring holly
is tc during avatar supposed to be tc-ability-tc or tc-ability-ability-tc. The CD suggests tc-ability-tc. But for some reason when I do it I have not quite a full gcd after going tc-ability but what feels like half a gcd?
feels kind of awkward to wait half a gcd
mighty valley
to me it's definitely every other gcd
mellow quartz
Depends on haste tbh
loud patrol
feels kind of awkward to wait half a gcd
is not even half is 1/8 of a cd
spring holly
@loud patrol half a gcd is maybe a bit much to say but still to me it's at 1/4 maybe? Enough that I feel awkward
urban portal
obviously theres ping lag
mellow quartz
your gcd and cd goes down at the same rate
True
urban portal
try spell queue weirdness
your gcd is 1.5, your cd is 3
if you have 100% haste your gcd is 0.75
your cd is 1.5
its still every other global
mellow quartz
Does the cd on TC get reduced the same amount as your gcd relatively?
urban portal
yes
spring holly
yeah actually I'm an idiot when I try it in a mroe controlled setting it's clearly every other global
I think it's just spell queue weirdness/ui not reflecting the cd speed properly/ping
urban portal
Does the cd on TC get reduced the same amount as your gcd relatively?
thats true for all spells
so when it says 6 seconds, it means 4gcds ALWAYS
or 3 second being 2 gcds
spring holly
that being said I was just in combat again and I had this issue again, where I go tc-> ability-> and then...tc isn't quite off cd yet. Don't know why that happens in combat and not just standing around. Weird
mellow quartz
Have the same issues at low haste which is why I doubted what @urban portal was saying.
novel temple
We can all put stupid things in the calculator. Do you have a question or?
I guess, what’re the thoughts on going thunderclap less
round delta
that being said I was just in combat again and I had this issue again, where I g...
This is during Avatar or just normal rotation?
Tc, ability, tc
spring holly
I have a trinket which can randomly grant secondary stats, I wonder if it's granting haste inbetween casts and that's causing the tc cd and gcd to go out of sync
yes sorry should clarify this all during avatar
mellow quartz
I guess, what’re the thoughts on going thunderclap less
That is not a thought.
mellow quartz
Tc, ability, tc
Avatar with UF
strong forum
I guess, what’re the thoughts on going thunderclap less
Will play like ass, you'll struggle insanely hard for rage gen
You can try it, but it won't be fun 😄
minor helm
Aah
spring holly
honestly in aoe I wish I had a toggle that just macros ignore pain to every ability I have once I press avatar
round delta
Haha true
drifting pewter
How competitive is alch eng this expac for m+ tanking on prot? Still not set in my profs yet
round delta
Its like Whatever+ignore pain+whatever
+ignore pain
I'm pretty bad switching between enemys to apply slam shield to apply the debuff (wirh the talent)
If i sleep a bit i keep hitting the same mob
modern brook
punish?
round delta
(Only switching to cut)
spring holly
if you mean punish I'm pretty sure it's fine to just stack it on the same dude
modern brook
^
modern brook
the DR applications have their own durations
spring holly
it stacks so no need to switch
modern brook
I cant, true. But i thought thar 3 mobs with 3% was better that 1 with 9%
I dont know how to explain this without going stupid for a sec so apologies if this explination is lacking:
round delta
I'll try to understand, think that i'm not a native english speaker so maybe i'm the dumb xD
modern brook
Consider a multi target scenario where all targets do the same DPS to you
Applying 3% DR to 5 targets would be ~15% DR.
Applying 5 stacks of 3% DR to 1 target would be 15% DR
you would be reducing the same
Consider the same multi target scenario, but now one target does significantly more DPS than the other targets
round delta
It is possible to have 5 stacks?
modern brook
applying 15% DR to that one target would provide more raw damage reduction than spreading the stacks out
modern brook
It is possible to have 5 stacks?
Just a number i pulled out to do easy math
round delta
Ok ok
modern brook
the concept is whats important
round delta
So maybe i need to study a bit the mithyc dungeon pulls
modern brook
Damage reduction and "tankiness" is notoroiously difficult to compute
and its why we dont bother simming it
the take away here is "shield slam priority target for rage and profit"
and let punish be a nice add-on to that
mellow quartz
Thunder in AoE
Doesn’t give more rage in aoe
modern brook
https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-gif-26460616
i did disclaim i was gettin stupid
strong forum
The way you said it isn't correct, but the point you're trying to make is
jagged pier
round delta
Doesn’t give more rage in aoe
You apply bleeds to multi target, it get a cap?
mellow quartz
It’s bloodsurge that gives the rage. Not TC itself though.
round delta
Ye, but if thunder apply the bleeds
strong forum
Whether you have 5 stacks spread across 5 targets a 1 stack or 5 stacks all stacked up on 1 target come about ot the same damage reduction
round delta
For me is ""the same""
strong forum
Assuming all mobs do the same dmg
modern brook
wait is that not what i said
strong forum
Well
modern brook
Fuck me
warm plinth
I still love you Bull
modern brook
you shouldnt i cant do math
modern brook
By that logic, you'd get 100% DR by using demo shout on 4 mobs!!
Demo shout very good
pin plz
strong forum
Demo op nerf
modern brook
the world needs to know
somber shell
dont let blizz hear
strong forum
Now if you were to phrase it like
"if you use demo shout on 4 mobs, you practically only fight 3"
That would then make some sense
Assuming all mobs do equal dmg*
But that's just a weird way to try and phrase it 😄
modern brook
bro this napkin math gets fucking stupid real quick
loud patrol
but accurate
sturdy sable
I dont really get why ppl get so hung up on the math when it comes to drs. Unless your trying to survive something super specific knowing it's whatever % of dr should be enough
Like wall makes me take half as much
mellow quartz
40% is not half
sturdy sable
Demo makes me take a quater less or half as good as demo
sturdy sable
40% is not half
Improved wall is 50% no
strong forum
That's gone
sturdy sable
WHAT
strong forum
Ye
sturdy sable
shows you how much it mattered
strong forum
All r2 spells are gone again
sturdy sable
Considering i never noticed
sick sentinel
i have to move it and hit 70 sometime this decade
mellow quartz
Considering i never noticed
No content to notice it in yet.
graceful sand
Any suggestions on what professions I should be running? Are there any that would give me big benefits?
sturdy sable
No content to notice it in yet.
10% dr is def worth the DF changes
novel temple
You can try it, but it won't be fun 😄
I’m already a WoW masochist, I’ve been playing Prot warrior since BC and never swapped 🥴
uncut dome
So how is prot feeling 😄 ?