protection

[cursive burrow]

Other than "If you get gud you don't need it?"

Ok.

[slim dove]

we have 100% uptime already with the 3 other block talents

if youre learning its a good safeguard

[lusty grotto]

well do you think you need it?

i guess its a more personal question

[cursive burrow]

I was wondering if it was a math awnser or an uptime one.

[lusty grotto]

uptime

[cursive burrow]

Makes sense and what I figured.

[lusty grotto]

also bolster doesnt benefit from AM anymore

since LS is not on the AM list since... SL

[slim dove]

last stand is already a pretty weak CD and we dont need the block uptime

[cursive burrow]

Oh true.

[uneven mason]

rip 40% uptime on last stand

[sand pebble]

im legit using last stand to pop a fat victory rush every now and then

[lusty grotto]

if it was, it'd be insane rage gain though (with Unnerving)

with and absolute ridiculous no brainer uptime

[cursive burrow]

Rage feels so much better this xpac than Slands.

I played mostly fury in Slands though.

[strong forum]

I just use it as a defensive fairly often on CD just because I'm used to it cuz of SL

[slim dove]

It does all feel very good. at 350ish ilvl and lucky drops im already at 19% haste

[strong forum]

Ngl Ive not felt the low haste at all rn

Like, whatsoever

[slim dove]

at first dinging 70 i had 6% haste and it was fairly...bleh

[strong forum]

CDs make up for it

[grave crane]

yeah even with 11% haste it feels good in st and great in aoe

[weak snow]

Into the Fray helps tremendously.

still rocking my old warrior soul cause of that haste.

[cursive burrow]

I'm at 17% and yeah. I can only imagine how it will feel when power creep kicks in.

[sand pebble]

do we ever take rdm off?

[strong forum]

Idk im bing chilling at 8% haste with my HR

[lusty grotto]

im not using ITF either

idk about not noticing it, but

ill pay more attention to it, its def noticeable to high infiltrator haste though

but that goes without saying

[strong forum]

I didn't even look at my stats until like 5hrs into being level 70 and being shocked at how low everything is

[lusty grotto]

lol

[strong forum]

But I can't say I've "felt" like I need that haste

[sand pebble]

what ilvl did we all start tanking m0's?

i didnt feel anything at 311

[lusty grotto]

its usually cause the first thing we notice is SB

[slim dove]

waiting for my team to actually hit cap

[lusty grotto]

and that's no longer something we have to worry about (if you're good)

[strong forum]

M0s arent supposed to feel like anything

[toxic pewter]

I started right when I hit 70 tbh

[strong forum]

It'll always be pushover content m8

I'll do my M0s at the weekend with full plate stack

When my buddies have caught up

[lusty grotto]

im gonna go ahead and remind people that your first spark of ingenuity will probably be best used by making a crafting order to a blacksmith for shield

384 base ilvl, and can proc higher ilvl

[ionic fern]

Weapon.

[lusty grotto]

so just remember

lol mwahi

[ionic fern]

😂

[lusty grotto]

i mean to be fair...

[slim dove]

yeah, weapon

[lusty grotto]

if shit ends up not hurting too much

[toxic pewter]

In regards to spark of ingenuity how often will we get one anyone know?

[lusty grotto]

you get 1 at the end of campaign

[sand pebble]

what shield though

[lusty grotto]

then probably more after season starts

[sand pebble]

shield of the hearth or other one with emblishment

[open gazelle]

We can get a 384 shield right now?

[ionic fern]

Roughly every few weeks. From campaigns and then from random drops also 1 roughly every few weeks.

[lusty grotto]

it doesnt matter bigdan since you can put stats on it, its more like what appearance you want

[toxic pewter]

Thank you

[sand pebble]

no shield of the hearth has vers proc

[slim dove]

its 100 and some vers

[lusty grotto]

idk im not in game right now

[slim dove]

sub 1%

[lusty grotto]

cant look at my BS list

NA servers went down so

here i am

[lusty grotto]

if you have a Spark of Ingenuity, and place a crafting order you can

that's 384 base ilvl

it can go higher

[slim dove]

i really wouldn't be using that resource for a shield.

[lusty grotto]

with good crafting stats

[toxic pewter]

I got weapon and shield from m0 you guys think 384 still worth it. What’s third best slot lol

[slim dove]

chest, legs, helm

big stat block pieces.

[lusty grotto]

shield is best slot

[slim dove]

i dont agree.

[lusty grotto]

im sorry you feel that way

but it is

[slim dove]

how so

[strong forum]

Defensively speaking shield is the most important item by far

[toxic pewter]

Thanks. Any trinkets use that spark?

[lusty grotto]

m0 ius 374

or 376

[slim dove]

we dont need defensive

dude

we do not die

[lusty grotto]

this is about preparing for keys

[slim dove]

if YOU are dying, your party is already dead

[slim dove]

i dont believe so.

[lusty grotto]

im happy you dont die in content that has never been challenging

ever

[slim dove]

i did 15s on beta

but ok

im done arguing

[lusty grotto]

with 376 shields?

[slim dove]

make your shield

🙂

[lusty grotto]

you did 15s in beta with raid gear

and tier

are you dumb?

[slim dove]

clearly

[toxic pewter]

I’m a known dumb myself

[slim dove]

i said im done

[lusty grotto]

i mean obviously

[slim dove]

obviously

piss off bud

[lusty grotto]

my job here is done

[toxic pewter]

Guys let’s all hug it out. The weapon shield debate is a tale as old as time

[sand pebble]

so was it shield or whatever aa is crafting?

[uneven mason]

Ok so I don't know how they did things in whatever other fotm tank you used to play but we don't do toxic fanboi here at #protection

[lusty grotto]

whats old as time is shield has always been the biggest upgrade

so idk what you're on about

[slim dove]

the fuck toxic fanboi shit am i spouting?

[ionic fern]

Calm down. I cba muting,too good of a mood.

[slim dove]

yeah im done

[ionic fern]

Take your squabble to dm's.

[slim dove]

sorry

[toxic pewter]

Yogi u hit 70 yet

[lusty grotto]

[sick sentinel]

wouldn't be prot warrior channel without a bunch of raging boys protecting themselves

literal impossible and actually our job

[mellow quartz]

Having to run HR, ED, Bulwark and LS to get shield block uptime sucks. 8% haste….

[uneven mason]

I think you have us confused with that other protection

[sand pebble]

you dont need ls

[mellow quartz]

At these haste levels I do

[sand pebble]

no you dont

[uneven mason]

Sure if you're looking for true 100% uptime maybe

[mellow quartz]

If I want 100% yes

[uneven mason]

Like literally 100%

With no gaps, even between pulls

[mellow quartz]

Nah playing without LS I had gabs in pulls themselves

[weak snow]

Do you even need 100% atm? the content atm is so simple, soo much mobilitiy I am rarely ever just standing there taking it.

[lusty grotto]

are you filling in with SC?

[mellow quartz]

Yup

[lusty grotto]

hmm

i havent noticed

[ionic fern]

I'm using ED only with itf..no issues. .blockable/physical damage doesn't hurt at all.

[lusty grotto]

are you SSing a lot for HR gain?

[cursive burrow]

Don't want to form bad habbits/getting back used to playing after a break.

[mellow quartz]

Not a matter of hurting, was referring it to have SB uptime

Also low haste levels might be a thing when m+ comes out and things will hurt then

[lusty grotto]

it might

that much is true

[weak snow]

I don't think its a bad habit? I don't see any content where I sit around through 4-5 shieldblocks before I start dropping up time?

[mellow quartz]

Had 6% haste at one point with my gear upgrades lol

[sand pebble]

im not having any issues with 11% haste no ls - arew you pressing ss on cd and getting alot of resets?

[mellow quartz]

Yup

[weak snow]

are you clipping your sb's into each other?

[mellow quartz]

Can’t clip

[lusty grotto]

yeah you cant clip

[mellow quartz]

Max duration is 3x SB duration

[lusty grotto]

it caps out but it doesnt clip

[mellow quartz]

Plus 15s if bolster

[weak snow]

oh ? I never knew that. Then yeah I def don't have 100% uptime on my SB then. I just spend that down time leaping away to pull other shit though. I guess it'll fix itself with more ilvl/haste

[sacred sleet]

Leveling as prot is good? or should i stick with arms through leveling?

[toxic pewter]

Prot leveling is great

[sand pebble]

prot all the way

[lusty grotto]

most of us leveled prot

[ocean bloom]

pull a bunch of mobs if you are prot

dont pull like a dps

[weak snow]

yeah pull everything you can before the mobs run back

[toxic pewter]

Yah I would pull entire quests in one pull

[sacred sleet]

alright awesome ill try it 🙂

[weak snow]

dps showing up to clear your elite packs, best feeling.

[mellow quartz]

To be fair in these m0’s I spend a lot of time running into 3-4 packs at a time. So you lose some SB uptime not being able to proper SS while gathering.

[toxic pewter]

Go damage talents for leveling build

[sand pebble]

you can solo elite rares - i couldnt kill a 71 elite rare with 4216k hp when i was lvl 63 but everything else died

[uneven mason]

Charge charge leap throw

[toxic pewter]

Yah we are big elite killers

I kill those 25 elite dragons

Ez

[mellow quartz]

Pulling bigger than that normally 🙂, and it’s more if you pull up SB at the start it takes a while to gather things where you don’t use SS to extend.

[weak snow]

yeah no issues, just takes awhile...

[toxic pewter]

Yep. There’s that blue elite dragon toward south waking shores (killed during questing). Respawns every 15 seconds

[sand pebble]

just before server went down i was creafting and along comes a warlock, destroyed them - let them rez and setup again and destroyed them again - prot in unkillable

[sand pebble]

i need to find this for the dragon skulls

[cursive burrow]

I love leveling as a tanka t the start of an expac. The DPS all KNOW the unspoken rule. When you see my roll up to your questing area, you stop and let me gather them up then nuke and we ride away.

[weak snow]

I did that wrathion area solo, the stone crushers there get crazy enrage buffs, the only issues i've had with elites thus far.

[toxic pewter]

Yah

[cursive burrow]

I just want to get back in and get my last 5 Dragonflying Glyphs so I never have to do this again.

[toxic pewter]

Yah definitely glad I got all the glyphs asap

Really is game changer

[cursive burrow]

I'm mainly doing it so I can start farming ore halfway effeciently.

[unkempt cape]

I just got in, seems they are back up

[lusty grotto]

NA is back yea

[jovial wedge]

are these errors when trying to sim expected?

[lusty grotto]

theres a typo that needs to be fixed

just wait a bit

they arent expected, no

[jovial wedge]

oh gotcha

[neon fossil]

When it comes to comparing items like this, should I actually be heading straight for stats or ilvl?

[jovial wedge]

yeah, thanks

[lusty grotto]

ilvl

the stat spread is just part of the stat budget

[neon fossil]

What do you mean?

[lusty grotto]

theres 3 secondaries right

but notice their values

there's a stat budget

just go for ilvl

in fact there's absolutely zero reason to not go over higher ilvl at this point or any, until you get to a certain point in gearing

which we're still far off

[neon fossil]

okay

[mellow quartz]

More stats more better

[lusty grotto]

yes and the higher ilvl has more

even if its only 2 secondaries

[pallid quiver]

almost all the dps i've run into have tried to actively pull mobs away from me so i couldn't hit them or pop cds to blast a single one or something

[uneven mason]

Jealous that you're beating them in DPS

[minor helm]

They prob don’t even notice ur a tank

[tulip warren]

investing time to get ilvl 262 really helped me being unkillable in normal dungeons. usually the dps is pretty low and I get inexperienced healers. prot warrior is looking good

[meager wigeon]

wall

[iron orbit]

Mmm I’m getting level 70 gear from dungeons with my 61 alt. Some dungeons only drop 70 gear or is something about alt leveling?

Is a big win tbh

[dusky canopy]

My groups been experiencing the same

Pretty sure that’s unintentional

[mellow quartz]

Guess it’s time to run dungeons for leveling on alts

[frozen quest]

Hi guys. Does anyone have a shield charge macro?
Cast shield charge when not on cooldown. Cast normal charge otherwise

[lusty grotto]

not recommended

you can use shield charge in point blank range

why would you use it as a charge when it hits so hard

[long stone]

You want to shield Charge Sven your demo and Avatar is up

If Not - waste dmg

[open gazelle]

Overall dmg of sonic boom shockwave was more than ravager and TR overall dmg and cast equal amount of time relative to their cds

Don’t sleep on sonic boom for puny mythics I’m telling you

[lusty grotto]

🥱

[grave crane]

Yeah but overall more damage comes out with TR and words cause all your bleeds do more dam

[lusty grotto]

[round delta]

i saw that wowhead recomend this talent for M+

instead of buffin shockwave

not pickin those 2 talents

worth it?

[lusty grotto]

jesus christ what is peoples obsession with sonic boom

i dont fucking get it

[stable valve]

Wrath classic

[round delta]

Don't know

just asking

[lusty grotto]

why do you want to "buff shockwave"?

explain

[odd tree]

to max sonic boom you'd have to send on cd, generally not good if you need the stun for an actual stop/interrupt

[round delta]

Seems like a pretty good spell

[lusty grotto]

why does it seem like a pretty good spell?

have you tried Thunderous roar at all?

let him answer

[frozen quest]

way to go

[noble lynx]

am i weird for for leveling blacksmith to craft my own shield for some weird roleplay value

[round delta]

this is the part

when you chill out maybe 2 levels

[lusty grotto]

let him answer please i want to know the mindset

[midnight burrow]

darkmoon deck yay or nay this time

[round delta]

Transmog>mithy plus

[lusty grotto]

no... why would it be weird

[odd tree]

you do you

[lusty grotto]

cant be weird crafting a 384 base ilvl shield

[dusky canopy]

Sonic boom feels satisfying to press but it removes your ability to stun when you need it because you need to send it on cd to get full value

[lusty grotto]

can you guys stop explaining?

im trying to understand the obsession with shockwave

you ruined it

[round delta]

This discord is for explaining things

[odd tree]

people come here to have questions answered, not for you to shit on them

[round delta]

not blaming people xd

[dusky canopy]

I just gave you the simplest way to understand it. it feels satisfying to press sonic boom

[round delta]

You hate people that use sonic boom

explain your mainset

[lusty grotto]

understanding where they are coming from makes for better answers

[round delta]

c'mon

waiting for you

[lusty grotto]

sonic boom is fucking ass is what it is

there

[odd tree]

not the way you're going about it

[lusty grotto]

mindset explained

[noble lynx]

i think the wrath classic answer is fairly valid

[lusty grotto]

any other questions?

[round delta]

Ye

[lusty grotto]

waiting

[round delta]

you wake up this mad all the mornings?

i mean

[lusty grotto]

were you born this retarded?

ill answer if you answer

[dusky canopy]

This guy ^ lmao

[stable valve]

For super low stuff, it honestly might be worth to run the shockwave build if everything is just melting

[round delta]

is like you've so much cafeine in your veins rn

[odd tree]

wow

[frozen quest]

toxic

[midnight burrow]

what the hell happened to this discord my god

[lusty grotto]

this isnt new

[dusky canopy]

If you need useless incite for anything at all ask nimchip

[lusty grotto]

hes pushing it, i push back

are you all new?

[round delta]

I just ask questions

you flamed back to back

OMG THIS OBSESION

etc

[lusty grotto]

i didnt flame, i said GENERALLY people keep asking about it

if you feel identified by the general statement, thats your problem

[round delta]

if you said something GENERALLY is not my problem if i felt i'm in that because Generally means generally

i mean xD

i need to explain it to you?

srlsy?

[lusty grotto]

yes explain

[dusky canopy]

David the answer to your question is simple, it’s mathematically behind TR but it’s still a competitive option and is fun to press, just realize you will be losing the ability to have a aoe stop when it’s needed because you’ll have to press shockwave on cd to get full value

[round delta]

i liked that you said that it loss the "cc" moment because you need to use on CD

i'll think about it

[dusky canopy]

Anything nimchip has to say is clearly below average iq so just disregard

[modern brook]

Shockwave on cd 🤮

[odd tree]

could be fun when blasting low keys, but you stop using it when you need to purposefully stun stuff

[round delta]

maybe if it forces me to play on cd i'll go other option

[dusky canopy]

This

[modern brook]

Technically it's worse than this

[lusty grotto]

i guess ill go with your logic @stable valve

[modern brook]

Because not only do yoy lose your aoe stop

You dr other people's aoe stops

[dusky canopy]

Yes exactly

[stable valve]

Only thing I can thing where you couldn’t get enough value out of bleed dam increase to be worth

[round delta]

Just another question (hope our friend nimchip don't go mad) the bleed of the hability gives you Rage? like the bleed that you generate with thunder

[open gazelle]

I have TR just not words with sonic boom build, idc about bleed dmg things for too fast

[lusty grotto]

#protection message -10 iq

[round delta]

Sorrry if i'm writting the spell's name wrong i'm not english speaker x)

[lusty grotto]

notice the date @dusky canopy

[open gazelle]

Die too fast

[modern brook]

All bleeds have a 10% chance to proc the rage Gen

[final jacinth]

people wonder why class discords are toxic, then taunt people who give them forward answers, but since it wasn't worded the way they like, its unacceptable, and they must push them for an answer they understand

[stable valve]

If you take the “bleeds have a chance to gen rage” talent then yes

[topaz blade]

so I'm looking at the updated prot guide with talents for raid and M+. Why are we not taking shockwave?

[modern brook]

So all applications of deep wound and rend of relevent

Each individual tick and have a 10% chance to proc rage gen

Or 7

Idr where they ended on that

[round delta]

thanks 🙂

this give extra sense

[stable valve]

Wasn’t it 5% for a bit? 😭

[modern brook]

Iunn9

[open gazelle]

Tw doesn’t make an extra bleed for us

[round delta]

more rage and not using shockwave on cd seems like enough reasons to pick it

[modern brook]

Numbers are for dweebs and nomerature

I just do what he says to do

And ostrecize people who think dofferently

[lusty grotto]

not as much as me

forced to go with homunculus explanation

wrath classic, yikes

[open gazelle]

We don’t care about shockwaves stun for m0

All about upfront dam

[lusty grotto]

we dont care about surv either

[open gazelle]

I will change for m+

[lusty grotto]

but that doesnt mean we should recommend it

[modern brook]

Who cares

It's basically prepatch 2

Nothing you do matters

90% of bars are weird scaling

[lusty grotto]

bull did you see that guy last night

[modern brook]

No

I don't have eyed

[minor helm]

Being on discord outside of wage cage hours

[lusty grotto]

#protection message good read

[lusty grotto]

hey... idle time BSing around is still working 🙂

as long as we get paid 😄

[solar crown]

What ilevel do you guys jump into m0? Feels like nothing hurts atm, so im wondering about skipping HC and go directly for m0

[lusty grotto]

and shit gets done on time obviously

[lusty grotto]

you can

[modern brook]

U 100% can

[lusty grotto]

no need to be scared

[modern brook]

It's m0

[lusty grotto]

just jump in

[solar crown]

Ait, thats what i thought

[stable valve]

Naw

[solar crown]

Thanks 🙂

[modern brook]

Armor is busted he's right

0 skill Dr smh noob stat tbh

[lusty grotto]

LOL

[stable valve]

I’m trying to beef the ilvl up w/ crafted gear/worldquest gear (max is higher ilvl than m0) with 4 other plate homies so we can funnel the good trinkets and weapons to each other

[lusty grotto]

this is my favorite part though

[stable valve]

And go full sweat for literally 0 reason lmao

[modern brook]

Also true tbh

I never got glad once

[lusty grotto]

100% true

this is a pve channel after all

[stable valve]

We taking a SC or ravager capstone or Enduring Alacrity to drop indomitable?

[modern brook]

Uhhhh can't you take both without ea and still have indom?

Or can I not count

[lusty grotto]

probably leaning towards Champs Bulwark

you can

you can take Indom, SC and Rav

[stable valve]

Capstones for them, not the abilities themself

[lusty grotto]

capstones of capstones

champs bulwark is probably the safest play

[stable valve]

Can get 2 SC caps, 1 rav cap, or enduring alacrity after dropping indomitable

[stable valve]

Honestly though lmao

[lusty grotto]

xD

[stable valve]

Also already have it taking indomitable

[lusty grotto]

BSV probably worth for pushing keys

[modern brook]

both rav caps are dogshit i think

[stable valve]

I’m thinking ravager cap for big pulls for the extra dam?

[modern brook]

bsv is also dog shit

because it checks pre mit

[lusty grotto]

yeah DoD is kinda meh

[upper fox]

Rav caps arent worth it imo

[modern brook]

trading ram for TLords

i cant think of a reason to use anything else

[minor helm]

Love that DoD just procs on everything

[stable valve]

Idk if enduring alacrity is worth over for the extra strength

[lusty grotto]

if stuff dies too fast rav caps are probably worth less honestly, but i could be wrong

[modern brook]

storm of steel is probably ok, bu tDoD literally does nothing unless they fixed it

[lusty grotto]

hmm

@minor helm is it fixed?

[upper fox]

what do you guys think of shockwave capstones

[minor helm]

No clue doubt it

Going off what nome said yesterday

[lusty grotto]

well i guess its worth a try

[minor helm]

Not really a breaking bug to worry about

[minor helm]

No pfps?

[lusty grotto]

its a bad bait

[upper fox]

ty and yeah its a 2 sec stun I suppose

[lusty grotto]

lol

[modern brook]

this discord is 90% npcs

[minor helm]

True

[modern brook]

idc what ai generated garbage they have to represent themselves 😠

[lusty grotto]

i use minimized too

i cant stand the standard disc chat

too big

'takes too much space

[modern brook]

TBH you grab shockwave cause it + the stam thing before it is probably mroe applicable than a randy 2% crit bonus

[lusty grotto]

irc style or bust

[minor helm]

I would just even worse forget any person that isn’t in this disc every second

[modern brook]

not cause u want shockwave to be apart of your rotation or that its a particularly enticing 3rd gate talent

[lusty grotto]

meh idk about that, some names are memorable

[upper fox]

Im running this rn gonna take second Roar capstone but yeah I thought the 2 point prereq for it is just abysmal

And then I can drop bloodborne on main tree which I took because.. damage

if I dont care about bleeds as much at least

[modern brook]

yeah you get to here and have 2 points left

I think the CDR on roar wasnt very impressive?

IDR if that was just from the spear fiasco sims or if it was real

[upper fox]

I havent tried it yet but I figured it lines up with cds better if you take it maybe?

Or is it the opposite

[lusty grotto]

opposite

[upper fox]

right

What do I take then?

[lusty grotto]

TW

like bull said

[modern brook]

that wasnt what we were talking about lmao

[lusty grotto]

he said what to take if hes not taking CDR

or uproar

so TW

[modern brook]

nah he already is taking tw

he posted his talents like 2 pictures up 😠

[lusty grotto]

hmm

so what cdr are we talking about

[modern brook]

in m+ the argument that having Shockwave is better than not having shockwave

in raid idk whatever sims end up saying, ET probably has some value at REALLY bleeding edge prog

[upper fox]

maybe i'll just throw the extra point in bitter immunity

[modern brook]

ET + uproar is probably fine tbh

[upper fox]

im tauren anyway, and it stuns as long as shockwave

war stomp that is

but its capepd

capped*

[modern brook]

i also think you cant block during the cast time

[upper fox]

o

[modern brook]

but that might just be anti-tauren propaganda

[upper fox]

I'll try shockwave I think

If it just sucks dick i'll go bitter immunity

the dispell is kinda ncie

[minor helm]

🫡

[modern brook]

bitter immunity feels pointless without the bleed clear on it

IMO

diseases posions and curses should all be handled by the healer cleanses

3 minutes ona 20% heal is o.o

[lusty grotto]

btw when you think about it, its strange they left the dumb bleed cleanse on invokers and removed it from BI

[modern brook]

is it

[upper fox]

oh it doesnt bleed cleanse

[lusty grotto]

but at least there's options besides swapping to dwarves

[thick panther]

would you recommend crafting weapon with the first spark of ingenuity or shield with haste/vers?

[modern brook]

yeah they got rid of it

[upper fox]

u should wait if u wanna min max no?

[modern brook]

Sheilds remain the most important gear slot for us

[lusty grotto]

shield

all the way

[modern brook]

IDK about how the crafting system works tho

[lusty grotto]

no reason to wait

[upper fox]

saw someone say you should wait until you've done all m0 at least

[lusty grotto]

m0 is around 8 ilvls lower than the base item

so no

dont wait

[modern brook]

I can see it

cause you can get a more impactful upgrade if your m0 doesnt drop something

[upper fox]

yeah

[thick panther]

there is no reason to wait when its higher ilvl than m0 but wasnt sure if its better to have higher ilvl weapon or shield first

[lusty grotto]

i mean sparks are not gonna be as limited as dinars

yes for week 1

[upper fox]

I think i'll craft weapon first anyway for offspec aswell

[lusty grotto]

but not for the next weeks

[modern brook]

well the reason is exactly that like if you do your m0s and get a weapon

then you can make a shield

[lusty grotto]

absolutely no reason to wait

[modern brook]

and vice versa

[lusty grotto]

next week you can get another

or multiple

so if youre going by logic you should get shield regardless

[modern brook]

how long are you taking to do your m0s smh

[upper fox]

bro i cant do m0's im busy fishing

the real endgame

[modern brook]

as long as you're happy

[thick panther]

ok, thanks for the answers

[modern brook]

I def spent an hour just on a dragon the other day

[upper fox]

yeah im just taking it all in

rn

[modern brook]

im hunting glyphs

[upper fox]

I got most of em I think, just install handynotes

[minor helm]

Spend an hour on my dragon

[upper fox]

makes it very easy

[minor helm]

😳

[modern brook]

yah but dflying is like unironically very fun

[upper fox]

Im addicted to pressing the spinny boost move

[modern brook]

and hunting them without the guide is enjoyable while i wait for people to want to play wow with me

[upper fox]

WOOSH

[modern brook]

90% of the time its just

"oh thats a tall place go there, glyphs probably there

[upper fox]

yeah

[minor helm]

Aren’t u eu?

[upper fox]

Some of em are a bit covered though

[mystic rain]

I'm just dropping in and haven't read up so my apologies if this has been discussed. Anyone else not getting the damage proc from the colbalt assembly rep ring? Assembly Scholar’s Loop

[modern brook]

eu is for dweebs and Erga

[upper fox]

But yeah everything is new and fun rn

[minor helm]

Real and true

[upper fox]

not gonna rush through it

[modern brook]

I blasted through the campaign just cause i wanted to level alts

but even campaign was paced well

<-- renown questing hater

[upper fox]

I levelled my guardian druid first, then as I lost my haste while levelling I changed back to good old war LOL

Good lord that class has an hour long gcd

cant stand it

[modern brook]

I always have that issue cause i do rogue first and their gcd is locked so i get to deflated gcd classes and i want to gouge my eyes out

[tulip kelp]

Yeah even warrior feels slowwwwww after playing rogue

[upper fox]

Guardian takes like 10 seconds to dot up every target in dungs

Abyssmal

[modern brook]

abyssmal gameplay is guardian's class fantasy im p sure so

[tulip kelp]

How you like Prot war?

[smoky dock]

Saw everyone was talking about what to craft are you able to craft high ilvl shield right now?

[lusty grotto]

going back to the Spark debate... when gearing for keys, you want to make sure that the guaranteed piece is worth

[lusty grotto]

yes

but you need a spark

and to make a work order

[smoky dock]

I was personally thinking about crafting the goggles for engineering but if shield if smart then yes

[modern brook]

Protwar is great but i am biased

[smoky dock]

I have spark as well as everything else just need few more primal

[lusty grotto]

just put up a work order iwth the spark

[smoky dock]

Sounds good I will keep that in mind thank you

[lusty grotto]

BS can provide the non-BoP mats

[upper fox]

Prot is meta and flourishing

and fun

[modern brook]

im ashamed to say they had a whole quest that explained work orders and i just watched one piece instead of paying attention

So i am very likely to go the next 2-3 years without ever actually using one

[lusty grotto]

well its simple

go to the city

find the work order npc

[smoky dock]

Gotcha I am running engineering and BS but engineering is 50+ but not bs was going for googles

goggles*

[lusty grotto]

search for the shield, put spark, put a fee, that's it

[minor helm]

one piece pog

[lusty grotto]

and hope the crafter hits a proc

for higher than 384 ilvl

[smoky dock]

Appreciate ya thanks

[modern brook]

i tihnk im watching it the worst way i possibly can

[minor helm]

how’s that

[upper fox]

Does shield actually increase our damage more?

[modern brook]

on netflix starting at s1e1 :^)

[modern brook]

shield is the only way to get a higher block value

[lusty grotto]

slightly with stats but generally no

[upper fox]

My brother in christ

[modern brook]

high block value -> FATTY damage reduction on blocks

[minor helm]

We didn’t start on Netflix but moved their cause hulus subs ran out at like 170

Up to like 210 now

[lusty grotto]

the logic is this

[minor helm]

Have to swap to funimation at like 700

[modern brook]

i think it was something stupid like a 290 shield will give you DR cap on crit blocks in a mythic raid

[upper fox]

Imagine not being caught up on one piece

[lusty grotto]

how much are you betting you can get a higher than 384+ shield on keys in 2 weeks

[modern brook]

so big shields are the biggest value for keeping ourselves alive

[lusty grotto]

and do you really want to make that bet?

[minor helm]

Trying my best

[upper fox]

I see

[lusty grotto]

instead of a guaranteed item

[upper fox]

This will require some thonking

I think

[lusty grotto]

that can proc for a higher ilvl than 384

[upper fox]

wait

[lusty grotto]

depending on the crafter's stats which btw you can set a min to

[upper fox]

you can titanforge crafted gear?

[lusty grotto]

its a lot more controlled than TF

[modern brook]

I'll binge to 210 and we can gossip about how much we liked the nami beach episodes 🙂

[minor helm]

[lusty grotto]

plus you can reforge it to increase ilvl

[upper fox]

thats cool

[lusty grotto]

but

[upper fox]

I havent looked up too much stuff beforehand didnt really wanna get spoiled too much

[lusty grotto]

YOU NEED A SPARK OF INGENUITY

[upper fox]

all this will be second nature in a week or 2

[lusty grotto]

and to get the first spark WHICH IS BOP

you need to complete the campaign

[upper fox]

yeah I have my first

[minor helm]

It’s so funny they just throw in a shot of her butt in a bikini into the opener and that’s like the only time she’s in it for this season or whatever

[lusty grotto]

wheres my weebs out emote

[upper fox]

I think you lost it in your arms spec

[minor helm]

https://tenor.com/view/weeb-anime-fat-typing-gif-14598714

[lusty grotto]

watch a better show

watch Andor

the best tv season of the year by far

[minor helm]

I heard good things about andor

[lusty grotto]

even if youre not a SW fan

[upper fox]

time to play the game guys enjoy and gl

❤️

[slow token]

Is sidearm a talent we take? Is Wild Strikes a go to?

[mighty valley]

The basic builds are in the pins

[modern brook]

Imagine shitting on weebs and pulling out starwars lmao

[lusty grotto]

my dude

just forget that its SW

its 100% the best show of the year

[strong forum]

sidearm is more than 0 dmg, wildstrikes is a must have

[modern brook]

how big do you feel the buffer from Overwhelming Rage is?

[strong forum]

its really nice QoL

[modern brook]

i want to drop that shit for util etc

[strong forum]

hard to explain

[urban portal]

Would be mandatory in sl

Probably less mandatory now

[strong forum]

okay so, according to preliminary sims

the execute buff would be a 1.5-2% dmg gain in ST when you play with massacre + juggernaut

if you full end focus on execute pump

and about 1% dmg gain if you play like normal

[modern brook]

stonks lets go

[tulip kelp]

How much of a gain is sidearm? The 1% you're talking about?

[strong forum]

sidearm is 1.6% dmg

[modern brook]

Nom was uproar underperforming due to the sim not counting spear duration correctly?

[tulip kelp]

That's more then i thought

[strong forum]

spear is 0.5% better in ST than roar

[modern brook]

still? even after accounting for the 2 less seconds?

[strong forum]

but has the downside of being worse on aoe, smaller and extremely restrictive positioning

[dusky canopy]

Oh shit execute stonks!?!?

[modern brook]

now we just need a st fight :^)

spear gaming baby

[dusky canopy]

[strong forum]

not really stonks

but its like a 1% dps gain

[modern brook]

the line goes up nom

[dusky canopy]

I mean hey damage is damage

[dusky canopy]

Now we can spam execute Pepe again

[lusty grotto]

🤷

[dusky canopy]

YES

[strong forum]

even with 52 execute casts over 5minutes its still only 7% of your dmg

[lusty grotto]

watch them add another sylvannas and make execute useless

[strong forum]

1/3rd of the dps of shield slam

[uneven mason]

[tulip kelp]

Yeesh, good to know

[uneven mason]

Hardly Worth the gcd

[strong forum]

its worth the GCD but fuck me

[dusky canopy]

Rip

[strong forum]

hard to play

[tulip kelp]

Thats ST too right

Basically 0 reason to execute when more than 1

[lusty grotto]

they are talking ST yes

[dusky canopy]

Pretty much seams that way

[uneven mason]

I mean what's the gap between slapping revenge in st or execute

[strong forum]

wait a second

hmm

[modern brook]

[uneven mason]

Sussy

[lusty grotto]

probably will go down to target numbers

[dusky canopy]

Is that 52 casts of 40 rage executes?

[lusty grotto]

kind of the same of ye olde Outburst to TC or SS on how many numbers scenario

[uneven mason]

Noms like oh I was reading it upside down it's 93% if your damage

[tulip kelp]

[rough pike]

Hey guys, is there a rep i should be focusing on as a prot warrior? Also got BS'ing, or does it not matter?

[lusty grotto]

valdrakken and...

(as a BS)

whats your secondary prof?

[rough pike]

Mining

[lusty grotto]

ok let me check

[rough pike]

Great, thanks alot 🙂

[uneven mason]

Ts won't matter outside of engineers having all the toys

[dusky canopy]

Engi all the way

[olive steeple]

Why valdrakan?

[lusty grotto]

valdrakken and artisans is best for BS

higher number of recipes

[olive steeple]

Ah gotchya

[rough pike]

Tys

[lusty grotto]

sorry

[olive steeple]

Is there a best renown for mining and herbalism?

[lusty grotto]

valdrakken and Maruuk

[lusty grotto]

not artisans

[rough pike]

Yeh, great thanks again 🙂

[lusty grotto]

not entirely sure

havent focused much on gathering reps

since its gathering and the only good thing about them is just getting higher quality yields

[strong forum]

tryna optimise execute usage tbh

[stable valve]

You try with cruel strikes yet?

[strong forum]

always up

that talent is always atleast 1/2 picked

with massacre always 2/2

[olive steeple]

When spending knowledge points, will I eventually get to fill out the entire tree?

Or do I have to really think of what I want end game

[lusty grotto]

you will fill it out but it will take a while

[olive steeple]

Kk

[lusty grotto]

also btw this isnt crafting disc lol

[uneven mason]

I'm just going to go the "Always be cleaving" rout and pull trash in top of bosses so I can revenge

[lusty grotto]

i know we're OT, so we shouldn't elaborate 🙂

tbf i dont even know if there's crafting disc, im just saying stuff of what i know of

probably best to see if there's one

[zealous turret]

Anyone know how good the DMC is for us?

[uneven mason]

Tbf until this expansion tradeskills were dumb as a box of rocks

[strong forum]

hm okay so with TR + 2 cruelstrikes + massacre + jugg its 0.7% better now than punish+ED

[charred ivy]

is there some macro for shield charge and normal charge same button? maybe been asked before. Like with intervene

[lusty grotto]

ofc im aware

[charred ivy]

i feel like i have 100 keybinds already

[lusty grotto]

no, it enforces bad play

[stable valve]

How long of an execute window do you need?

[uneven mason]

You can just use keymods to do that

[lusty grotto]

shield charge is not something you should use for movement

[charred ivy]

nah not for movement i meant if close it use shield charge

[lusty grotto]

thats not its purpose

[charred ivy]

cause u dont need to be far right

[lusty grotto]

you can be at melee range

[uneven mason]

I mean if the goal is to save keybinds yeah just like any other macro mod

[charred ivy]

idk whats keymod xD sry

[uneven mason]

Can we do range checks in macro?

[charred ivy]

well idk what u mean atyleast

[hazy sluice]

is there a way to make a spell i use with mouse over on an enemy to set this mob as my target? for example i use charge as mouseover and would like the mob i charge to be my new target

[proven lodge]

can anyone link me a cast sequence macro for swapping between battle and defensive stance?

[lusty grotto]

just press any ability? like shield slam

it should auto target the mob

[lusty grotto]

[hazy sluice]

but i have the last mob in target

[lusty grotto]

wait no... cast sequence, why?

[uneven mason]

You add [modifier:keybind] to the cast line

[modern brook]

The pins macro has the same functionality of a cast sequence

'cept like better because no resets

[lusty grotto]

well hopefully it helped him

[modern brook]

90% sure you gotta click rip forever 😦

[lusty grotto]

and yeah that's what i meant by wondering about the whole cast sequence

[modern brook]

im sure theres an addon on somewhere for target closest hostile

but like

just left click

[kindred quail]

hey boys how to spread rend as prot

[modern brook]

stomp

[hazy sluice]

i mean there is the option for action targeting, which kinda does what i want. but it auto targets whatever is like closest in front of me and that i dont want

[lusty grotto]

there could be a way, im just not sure its worth the effort looking into

[sudden palm]

Anyone else has new/massive issues with their camera and how it turns?

Like I literally can't play like this

lol

[lusty grotto]

[lusty grotto]

not really? what do you mean

[modern brook]

there are camera options but nothings changed on the camera to my knowledge

[uneven mason]

Just 👢🍵👏

[dusky canopy]

Shield charge slaps under avatar and BV

[sudden palm]

So previously; my camera was always on the back of my character

It would follow

[uneven mason]

SC slaps.

[lusty grotto]

oh yikes

[sudden palm]

But now; it's acting like I'm holding mouse key down

[lusty grotto]

well i dont know how you play that way but it should be an option

[uneven mason]

Dragon riding bug

[sudden palm]

You know what I'm talking about?

Is there a fix?

[uneven mason]

Go blizzard forums report it

Reload the game

[sudden palm]

Imagine you strife and your character keeps rotating

It's awful

[olive steeple]

Can you use shield charge to open

[dusky canopy]

Play with free camera so when your backs to a wall for knockbacks you can still see

[uneven mason]

Yup

[lusty grotto]

ohhhh you meant the camera is stuck behind you

not that you played that way

[uneven mason]

I play first person

[modern brook]

it is an rpg

[sudden palm]

Lol

[flint cedar]

A true tank

[modern brook]

literally like skyrim with guns

[sudden palm]

Yeah okay I'll try reload and report on forum

[dusky canopy]

You ideally want avatar active and booming voice if talented active, before you press shield charge

[sudden palm]

Thank you!

[lusty grotto]

well i would go with what ikarikaze said

[sudden palm]

I almost had a meltdown in a HC

Was getting chunked down and realized my character is spinning and I'm not blocking =))

[minor helm]

https://tenor.com/view/spinning-gif-21301883

[sudden palm]

Amazing times

[minor helm]

Prot so strong you can just spin

[sudden palm]

Thank you; restart helped

[modern brook]

as a rule of thumb for the game of wow - when you can stack cds, stack cds. Using SC to engage without avatar BV etc when charge is like right there is kinda weirdge

[dusky canopy]

Preach

[dusky canopy]

So strong you take back hits

[minor helm]

😳

[sudden palm]

Rofl

[kindred quail]

i am pepega wrong talent

[minor helm]

Back shots maybe

[kindred quail]

but thanks

[uneven mason]

Literally only reason why we even press SB is because it's a DPS gain

[dusky canopy]

[dusky canopy]

Damage is king

[lusty grotto]

scroll down on the pins to the FYI part

for your specific question

[mellow quartz]

Except defensive CD’s 🙂

[dusky canopy]

Honestly hoping for DH to take Fotm so they don’t gut our perfect warrior iteration

[uneven mason]

Who knows they might not fun detected, I'm getting the feeling that they understand maybe just a little, that tanking shouldn't feel like a chore, totally reliant on another role

[lusty grotto]

yeah

that was their intention all along

[uneven mason]

Like sl and bfa both felt pretty bad at times because even with perfect play if you had a shit healer or DPS that couldn't kick, that was it, you'd probably die

[dusky canopy]

If I’m not mistaken, in one of the interviews it was stated that they were trying to making tanking easier to get into

[idle dagger]

Is leveling as protection alright?

[dusky canopy]

Hell yeah

[uneven mason]

Alright?

[dusky canopy]

Pull 20 mobs and nuke

[uneven mason]

Ha it's more than alright

It's the only way to level

[idle dagger]

Well, that is alright to hear then!

[dusky canopy]

Anybody not leveling as Prot is doing it wrong

[flint cedar]

prot > everything else

Pull giant pack nuke em

[dusky canopy]

[flint cedar]

easy questing

[uneven mason]

Except for paladins because I mean........

[modern brook]

playing a paladin is already a mistake

disgusting class

[dusky canopy]

We don’t talk about the pink Prot

[lusty grotto]

paladins can do it well

[uneven mason]

Windchime

[lusty grotto]

bouncy shield is also fun

[dusky canopy]

glares in disgust

[modern brook]

zzzzzzzzzz take

[dusky canopy]

[lusty grotto]

as an alt tank i was pleasantly surprised

[dusky canopy]

Best way to play paladin

[lusty grotto]

because prior to the prepatch iteration they were dogshit and boring

[dusky canopy]

Is to not

[flint cedar]

imagine playing a class with a mana bar

[lusty grotto]

you dont use mana as a prot paladin, what?

alt tanks are fun though, and my paladin used to be perma holy

i just gave prot a chance

[tawny briar]

Is there a specific gear piece we should be aiming for with our Spark? or is it more of a "wait and fill gaps" thing

[lusty grotto]

shield

[dusky canopy]

I second shield

Biggest upgrade possible

More block more better

[strong forum]

okay after ive optimised APL

[dusky canopy]

[strong forum]

going full execute bananas is only 200 dps gain

[dusky canopy]

[modern brook]

🫦

[lusty grotto]

what is this sorcery

oh its a default emoji

wtf

[dusky canopy]

At least you tried

[strong forum]

i mean i could scuff the sims and tell it to use even more executes to make it look bigger

but thats kinda not the point 😄

[minor helm]

https://tenor.com/view/we-do-a-little-trolling-misinformation-toji-no-miko-kaoru-mashiko-gif-24078541

[dusky canopy]

[ocean prairie]

What's a good ilvl to start mythic 0?

[fallow osprey]

Idk what’s the average ilvl of lvl 70 quest rewards

[narrow fern]

how prot dmg atm?

[hot maple]

Aoe damage is chunky. ST less so.

[untold crow]

Was mentioned earlier, but i can't tell if it was part of the jokes... is SB a DPS gain? (While leveling and barely taking damage is it worth pressing?)

[hot maple]

30% more shield slam damage seems decent?

[untold crow]

I was just reading the talents and was like "oh no im gonna get yelled at for not reading talents" 😄 Thanks 🙂

[neon elk]

That is after the 30% buff?

[strong forum]

yea

[terse hollow]

does anyone have any clue how we get earthen soul? im tryna make the shield and its all i have left to find haha

other than "made by engineers" i have no info its bop so can we just never get it?

[tulip kelp]

And that's ST right? So over 1 target absolute pointless to use GCD on execute?

[strong forum]

not pointless

i said "going full execute bananas"

you still sned it

but you dont prio it over revenge to keep up your buff for example

you send execute >=50 rage

[neon elk]

Do we have numbers with optimal gameplay ? Exe at 50+ rage vs no exe ?

[strong forum]

not sending execute at all is a small dps loss

800 dps loss

[pallid quiver]

that's better than it was looking, at least

Still feels bad, though

[shy coral]

I can't seem to handle paying attention to everything at once when tanking, having to keep an eye on shield block going down and my abilities off cooldown and the enemy nameplates for interrupts overwhelms me...Really trying to tank this expansion though

[pallid quiver]

Shield Block should be maintained by your sheer rotation with Enduring, Heavy Repercussions, Shield Charge all funneling into it. As long as you keep spending your SB charges, you shouldn't have to think that hard about ot

[shy coral]

well thats probably part of it, I'm using a talent build that doesn't have those abilities

I did just want a build that makes shield block stay up for as long as possible so I didn't have to stress about keeping an eye on it

[urban portal]

That’s very questionable

But yes shield block is a dps up

Maybe not in an arbitrarily high target count scenario

But I’m general yes

[open gazelle]

Where do we get earthen soul

[dusky canopy]

This is probably due to execute Crits?

Or amount of rage spent preventing rage loss?

[strong forum]

its just tierset uptime and revenge smoothing the rotation

[elder crag]

Earthen Soul is an epic crafting reagent that drops from several bosses in the Vault of the Incarnates raid.

[tawny briar]

any difficulty?

[idle dagger]

Is there a leveling build?

[stable valve]

What’s the duration of execute range you worked out to be a 200 dps gain?
And only def you lose is punish yeah?

[jagged pier]

no u loose both your block talents

for less than a % gain

its useless

[stable valve]

Oh I thought it was just 2s longer SB you gave up. Also losing HR?

[dusky canopy]

As a starting point, I would go to the wowhead look at the key talents in the leveling build fill out all the green ones and pick witchever purple ones you like the sound of

[jagged pier]

well yer

but that loose to much

makes hr pointless

to the place where u may as well take ITF

[stable valve]

And technically not a def loss to not have 100% uptime on SB if you’re not tanking the boss when it’s down

And it’s 100% not worth it imo. 200 dps is tiny to have a diff load out for it lmao

[jagged pier]

u loose 9% DR from punish at least tho

[stable valve]

Just asking for nerd questions, not to actually use it though, Jakey
I have at least a few wrinkles left on my brain

[jagged pier]

shot i may or may not be able to answer

[stable valve]

Yeah. That part is Bigly

Plus if execute range is short for whatever reason, then the gap starts to narrow significantly

[ocean prairie]

How much of a gain is switching to battle stance during the burst (avatar + demo shout + roar + ravager) then switching back to defensive? Is it worth it in m+ generally?

[stable valve]

Sit in battle stance

[jagged pier]

i mean im sat in b stance

🤷

[stable valve]

Defensive stance should be treated as a def CD

[dusky canopy]

BStance gamer

[ocean prairie]

Oh ok good to know

[dusky canopy]

If you feel like it, swap to d stance on tank busters so your healer sweats a little less

Otherwise just stay b stance and they can heal

[ocean prairie]

Ok perfect Luxthos' weakaura complains if I'm in battle stance, ill have to disable that part

[dusky canopy]

Definitely suggest the pinned macro for stance swapping too works like a charm!

[ocean prairie]

And in like massive aoe situations with easy content, during avatar, the rotation becomes Thunder clap - Revenge - Thunder clap - Revenge? For max dps if health is not an issue

[dusky canopy]

I think it was stated much earlier that you still prio revenge but want to press both as much as possible

And try not to miss SS even in aoe

You want the rage gen

[modern brook]

if its set up like aefnars you can just add the load condition of "in prot spec" to the arms stances wa and delete the prot ones

[stable valve]

Do you even need the rage gen if blood surge is talented?

[dusky canopy]

Yes

More rage the better

[ocean prairie]

In like 10+ target rage is overflowing even without ss

[stable valve]

In like BIG AoE?

[dusky canopy]

Cast noms ip macro to not cap rage and also not miss SS procs

You’d have to ask Nom about the numbers

I imagine there’s a target count where you would not ss

It’s gotta be quite large

[stable valve]

Pretty sure there is but I’m not 100% on the amount

I’ve just been forgoing SS on 20 pack pulls and feel flush w/ rage still

[round delta]

Sorry if i repeat an old question

[tidal barn]

Hey guys, what reputation should i start to farm in dragonflight?

[round delta]

about this talents. I saw in a wowhead the right one (the one i picked) but i usually used the wall one

[dusky canopy]

All of them

[tidal barn]

which one to prioritize?

do we get anything?

[jagged pier]

there isnt one

[dusky canopy]

Do you like certain cosmetics?

[jagged pier]

which ever one u like the rewards from the most

[toxic pewter]

has 30% buff to execute changed how we use it at all

[stable valve]

Use the wall 99.9% of the time

[forest bay]

Reps aren't tied to power right now - unless you're crafting your gear I guess

[lusty grotto]

you can do all of them, you can prio only if you're a heavy crafter

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[stable valve]

Aegis is mega niche

[dusky canopy]

Nope nom confirmed bad

[toxic pewter]

well damn

[weak snow]

well more that it isn't good enough of a buff to make an execute build viable?

[mighty valley]

look at it this way - we're not hard nerfed if any fights end before 30%

[lusty grotto]

i believe i mentioned this earlier but if youre mining+blacksmith prio Valdrakken and Maruuk

[dusky canopy]

Correct

[lusty grotto]

priority given due to the number of recipes you gain by doing so

[round delta]

is because the wall cd reduction, true?

[dusky canopy]

Yes

[round delta]

hmm i see

can someone share his talent build? i see wowhead has little mistakes

or worse options

[lusty grotto]

[mighty valley]

the wall is a better CD reduction talent and is also a rage gen talent

[round delta]

The pins redirect to wowhead

which has worse talents

[mighty valley]

they just didn't try with defender's aegis it's fine

[tidal barn]

Where do u read the upcoming changes?

[mighty valley]

the pins direct to the wowhead calculator, not to the wowhead guide

[lusty grotto]

^

[stable valve]

So sad how the mighty have fallen

[urban bane]

Scroll down in the pins for additional builds @round delta

[lusty grotto]

worse talents compared to what?

[stable valve]

From amazing to actually terrible

[lusty grotto]

🤔

[stable valve]

Should’ve separated the talents instead of a choose node so I could get Aegis AND wall
So I could RP as an actual tank

[tidal barn]

those talents are shit

[lusty grotto]

are you comparing to the wowhead guide?

hold up

youre asking us for talent advice right?

[weak snow]

thats the raid talent tree on the wowhead guide for single target bud

don't think your raiding yet.

[lusty grotto]

and you're saying the talents pinned here are worse?