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tender cove
warm plinth
I don't use them for rotation personally. Like for pwar, I use them for kick, demo shout, shield wall, spell reflect, last stand, health pot, and probably a couple other things I'm forgetting. My main rotation is still on the keyboard because putting my entire rotation on just my thumb seems like a weird concept to me
fierce field
my mouse keys are leap, ravage, charge, shield block, ip, stance swap
and shield charge
mellow quartz
hmmm 2 mythic 0's and I get weapon from AA and shield from AV
warm plinth
and shield charge
I thought about having SC on it but since we use Devastator now, I just threw it on 1 since that's where Devastate used to be
warm plinth
hmmm 2 mythic 0's and I get weapon from AA and shield from AV
big pog!
ebon wren
wat
warm plinth
Can you clarify what you mean by that?
mellow quartz
shield charge is only off gcd at range
warm plinth
I'm aware of that
But you can cast an on-GCD spell and an off-GCD spell at the same time. So even if Shield Charge was on the GCD, you could still cast Shield Charge and Charge at the same time.
I cast charge and whirlwind at the same time as fury all the time
mellow quartz
nah game wont allow you to cast SC while mid charge
terse hollow
no m0 out on eu, sup with that?
warm plinth
Hmm, well then for this specific instance I may be wrong. But that's why I added the "afaik" caveat haha.
warm plinth
no m0 out on eu, sup with that?
how do you figure? Like you change dungeon difficulty to Mythic and walk into the dungeon
What happens?
terse hollow
kicks me out sayin unavailable
terse hollow
yup
warm plinth
I thought you had reset at 8am CET
mellow quartz
no you havent
warm plinth
It's like 4:30 CET right now
warm plinth
Oh I missed the move from 8 to 5 I guess
So yeah M0 will be active in 37 mins @terse hollow
terse hollow
but servers went down an hour ago 😮
warm plinth
For maintenance I imagine?
oak echo
terse hollow
guess thats unrelated then
warm plinth
If you ahve daylight savings time where you are, it offsets for half the year
And aligns the other half
mellow quartz
like US reset is at 11 am EST but maintenance is at 10am and many times servers are up before 11 but nothing resets until 11
just convenient time for them to be close
terse hollow
i dont think theres like anyone on my server ready for m0 haha
mellow quartz
He means in the EU due to it being 5 am
terse hollow
nah i just been checkin wow progress and like no one is really gearing
loud patrol
ez af
slim dove
some bosses will wake up your healer, thats it
terse hollow
good to know, im kinda geared so i feel confident anyway i just have no faith in the pug community haha
loud patrol
good to know, im kinda geared so i feel confident anyway i just have no faith in...
good
terse hollow
huge
south zealot
1%
warm plinth
Gotcha
karmic wigeon
Anyone know what Blazing Trail Dot is? Pro warrior was wrecking mobs with it today.
south zealot
its one of those torghast orbs
u get them in this area
lasts 5 mins
leaves fire wherever you wqalk
limpid pawn
hey got a question
for the current twitch event, is subscribing to someone's channel enough for the 2 gifted sub requirement?
i'm not fully sure on what im' supposed to do lol
warm plinth
for the current twitch event, is subscribing to someone's channel enough for the...
Click Gift Sub (or Subscribe if you're not already subbed) and there's a custom section where you can put 2 in . I'm not sure if your own sub counts or not; if you're already subbed just gift 1 sub at first and see if it gives you a twitch notification
warm plinth
Did they add gcd to avatar or demo?
Demo has had a GCD for a long time I thought
coarse topaz
Demo has had a GCD for a long time I thought
Avatar is on gcd now
It wasn’t in sl
Rip macro
It still works but u need to wait 3 secs and spam
In sl it was instant 1 time press
warm plinth
oh, right. Weird
lusty grotto
Avatar is on gcd now
Avatar is definately NOT on the GCD
tender cove
what is the update being pushed the last hourish?
i just got DC'd and there was an update 😒
what did they even do during their actual maintaince window?
lusty grotto
its Blizzard, do you think they would publish changes for client side updates?
when have they ever
warm plinth
what is the update being pushed the last hourish?
Most likely fixes for various performance issues. They made a blue post saying there were probably going to be a few things pushed throughout the day
tender cove
Most likely fixes for various performance issues. They made a blue post saying ...
ahh, okok, makes sense. I didnt have issue whole day today and been in all zones. Some miniscule lag here and there but nothing close to first day
so they will probably have fixed performance issues across the board now which is sick 😄
tender cove
its Blizzard, do you think they would publish changes for client side updates?
sure, why not? Explain whats going on backend, wouldn't be the first time?
lusty grotto
are you new?
tender cove
not at all
lusty grotto
ok well when was the last time they went into specifics?
lusty grotto
well to be fair i unsubbed in s1 SL
tender cove
just the classic adaption to modern client was a whole video
It was been less in recent years but they have stepped up commuinication in SL and i only expect it to be better.
tender cove
i didn't play wod, legion and bfa. So not sure what went on there tbh
lusty grotto
have you seen any patch notes speaking about back-end problems at all?
and if anything they are always super ambiguous
its pretty common for blizzard
whats pretty rare is that sylvannas thing you mentioned
tender cove
have you seen any patch notes speaking about back-end problems at all?
not patch notes. but events where the launch is a lagfest and it keeps going on for 2-3 days? Yeh. I feel fairly confident we'll get one for this.
lusty grotto
i wouldn't hold my breath
tender cove
i wont lose sleep over it either way 😉
which recent launch was just a clownfiesta, where the blue poster said there was no tech currently available?
that one was also pretty recent and talked backend but i cant remember the topic, i dont even think it was wow
lusty grotto
there have been smooth releases since SL
BFA was kinda scuffed but not as bad as the previous one
they have been improving with SL being the smoothest
significantly
and then this one happened...
tender cove
Im loving pwarr and DF a lot tbh, gimme like a week to settle in on my muscle memory for new mouse and i'll be blasting hard.
best expo since cata
but nothing will ever share place with mop, sadly.
tender cove
true, i should have just gone to bed and went up at like 7 and gone hard all day to 70
sleep and go hard at lvl 70
But yeh, i have work and shit too, so can't really game endlessly
think its worth just rushing 2nd char up to 70? Can you still lvl good with min/herb?
I took bs/alc on main and gonna have a slave tank with herb/mining.
The mount still works for no dismount right? Like druids?
warm plinth
You can't really level with mining/herb. They're more supplemental than anything (and that's assuming they've got the tracking fixed). Not sure what mount you're referring to with your last question?
drifting fable
they only give like 1.3k youll be picking herbs for a while
tender cove
Cant remember the mount name, the hover mechanical guy
warm plinth
That only works for herbalism, not mining
tender cove
they only give like 1.3k youll be picking herbs for a while
then they nerfed it heavily in SL after s1. Because i lvled a paladin that way, think node's gave like 3-5k each and they never dispawn so people were going in trains getting endless spawns
drifting fable
and youd probably want to use your dragon over the sky golem anyways
warm plinth
I would not agree that it was "viable" in SL. Could you do it? Certainly. But it was going to considerably slower than just questing.
tender cove
and youd probably want to use your dragon over the sky golem anyways
i have dodo but at 55
warm plinth
going to be*
tender cove
he is normally the slave
warm plinth
You also can't fly with the sky golem in Dragonflight zones.
tender cove
but i wanted paladin so i can play both tanks
warm plinth
Only dragonriding mounts can fly in Dragonflight zones.
drifting fable
idrk what youre asking haha
warm plinth
Get glyphs on main. Use dragonriding mount on alt. Pick herbs. Remount each time idk. There's not going to be a druid special way to farm in Dragonflight unless they give us the blacksmithing stirrup things again.
tender cove
druid forms, can mine/herb without dismount
warm plinth
Yes but you can't fly
tender cove
now in DF is their forms updated so they can fly dragonriding?
lusty grotto
druid forms are flying mounts not dragons
tender cove
ok, cool., Thank you both
tender cove
woulda been noice though
lusty grotto
you cant fly on other expansions with druids without pathfinder, so why would they here
tender cove
so its coming you say?
warm plinth
I don't think so. I think he's just making a point
lusty grotto
ghash
warm plinth
Nim
warm plinth
See it's funny because the gif is from point break and you're talking about your breaking point
tender cove
I don't think so. I think he's just making a point
me too, mine was a lame joke
warm plinth
oh lol
drifting fable
idk if id even use a regular flying mount if they brought them back lol
maxed out dragon riding is so fast
warm plinth
Yeah no chance in hell honestly. Dragonriding is so fucking good.
I will remember Dragonflight fondly even if it's absolute garbage just because of Dragonriding.
tender cove
Yeh, only trouble is the 75-150 distance
dragon flying goes slower and with lots of trees its bit dumb
but overall, with maxed out? I give it solid 9.5/10 feature
warm plinth
Yeah I don't fly unless it's further than 150 yards
Just mount and run on the ground
drifting fable
nahh im all about the mount for 5 seconds and jump to the next pack/quest giver haha
tender cove
and the abilites to like go high in the air and press "descend" and it would very slowly move towards ground, not a full hover but with height you can gain 3-5 minutes
lettinng you go take a drink, piss, phonecall whatever
lusty grotto
thats what flight paths are for
tender cove
do that and old flying doesn't even need to exist anymore
lusty grotto
nahh im all about the mount for 5 seconds and jump to the next pack/quest giver ...
yup i do that
tender cove
yup i do that
quilty here too
anyone know how happy / sad the other tanks are in their discords?
warm plinth
Nope. But no tank is really in a completely shitty position right now I don't think?
tender cove
anyone really above everyone else? BDK?
warm plinth
I don't think so really
Not with any sort of gap like BDK had in SL, that's for sure
tender cove
someone always gotta be best and someone always gotta be worst
anyhow, gotta sleep, already 7 am agaiin...
paper coral
anyone really above everyone else? BDK?
BDK seems to be powerful but a lot of people i've spoken to dont like the rotation.
warm plinth
See it's funny because the gif is from point break and you're talking about your...
@lusty grotto no comment on my amazing joke?
iron orbit
Hey mates, are you having fun with prot in dungeons? I’m thinking about making a tank alt mostly for m+ and doubting between Druid and warrior. That avatar + aoe spam seems kinda cool
paper coral
Hey mates, are you having fun with prot in dungeons? I’m thinking about making a...
If you like being a spiky charging ball of death it's fun.
VDH is a bouncy flaming ball of death. Druid is a wall. Druid doesn't FEEL as good, but it's strong.
lusty grotto
and the group healing is still fucking broken
iron orbit
ok so what is the question?
The question is how you feel the current state of prot. Is fun for you, rotation feels clunky etc
paper coral
and the group healing is still fucking broken
Broken good, or bad?
paper coral
what group healing is this? I haven't been in a group on my warrior except uldaman.
paper coral
oh. yes
iron orbit
Yeah, after the wildfire
warm plinth
the OG breaking point not the remake that i never watched
Yeah OG Point Break is the only real Point Break. We love Swayze and Keanu.
gritty swallow
is strike twice bait? got the item on m0 world tour and im not sure if i should be over the moon excited or just regular m0 weapon excited
warm plinth
It looks pretty decent at the very least. It's 3ppm. The one downside to it is that it procs physical damage which means it will most likely be mitigated by enemy armor
strong forum
It's nothing special
gritty swallow
so just regular happy to get a weapon week 1
warm plinth
It does look like you lose some stats for the effect though. But weapon is a weapon
gritty swallow
rng ignored me for pretty much everything except getting weapon and shield while another group member got every slot filled :/
loud patrol
meanwhile im getting almost nothing ;_;
.-. watching the calendar i noticed
xmas is 3 weeks away
vapid sluice
Hey guys do u think going full shockwave build and skip TR for m+ is competative option?
warm plinth
No
hasty field
Do we benefit from wind fury totem significantly?
warm plinth
The last time I saw a windfury chart (which granted was like 9.1), we were one of the top gainers from it
mighty valley
probably still holds true, devastator means more melee = more shield slams
hasty field
It seems like it’s not really worth it for sham to take it in m+ as ppl say
I’m trying to optimise the spec setup with my friends and it seemed at first that sham looks pretty decent for our melee group
mighty valley
part of me thinks shamans just say that because they don't want to have to press it haha
hasty field
Well it might be it xd
I just don’t wanna be a burden and the only reason for my sham to take wind fury totem
Even tho we have ww monk, I suppose it’s kind of toxic to mess with sham’s priorities, comfort and numbers in sake of our own numbers
lusty grotto
seems more selfish on their part tbh
solar crown
Shammy players are used to be taken advantage of
They like to be abused
So i see no problem here
mighty valley
it's one button every so often, if it's more total group damage they should be fine with it
lusty grotto
i mean my rsham buddy is a selfish motherfucker too so i understand
guy played chains and didnt use the ele leggo at all for 20s
and i gave him shit every single second for it
but i dont think he'd be against going WF this time around
hasty field
My friend’s ench
Not rsham
If it makes any difference
Well I guess we can try. Hopefully his gameplay doesn’t change a lot
tender quartz
Oi stupid stuff, do we have Jade Temple, etc. on M0 aswell or just the expansion ones? Apologies am not home yet 🤭
lusty grotto
oh enhance you mean
lusty grotto
eh dunno how you'd approach that
but now it makes more sense since dps players are usually a lot more selfish
hasty field
Oi stupid stuff, do we have Jade Temple, etc. on M0 aswell or just the expansion...
Jade temple and the other ones from previous expansions are in m+ rotation, not in m0
tender quartz
Gotcha cheers!
hasty field
but now it makes more sense since dps players are usually a lot more selfish
My friends new to the game, so it isn’t selfishness that plays the main role here haha, it’s just optimization of playstyle mostly
lusty grotto
i mean does he have wind shear at least?
hasty field
Nah he’s got only a stun totem
lusty grotto
ok so heres the question
are you gonna try to push keys or something?
cause hes gonna need those
coarse topaz
No more leggos in Df?
lusty grotto
and if hes taking Shear, then why wouldn't he take WF to help group dps?
lusty grotto
No more leggos in Df?
no
if you have dps without kicks, you're gonna have a bad time
coarse topaz
Nice
opal python
demo shout is not a snapshotting thing yh?
hasty field
are you gonna try to push keys or something?
We’re looking forward to that surely, I’m just trying to help him out a bit choosing a right build/rotation etc
lusty grotto
never has been
opal python
can use it after thunderous roar?
warm plinth
Imagine not taking wind shear on a shaman though. Probably the easiest kick to pick up that isn't baseline and the shortest CD kick in the game.
opal python
right
lusty grotto
demo shout has been dynamic since forever
opal python
or does the demo shout (booming voice debuff) need to be there before all the big big cds
opal python
demo shout has been dynamic since forever
ah pog ty
warm plinth
It would need to be there before you use the ability if you want the initial hit to be buffed
lusty grotto
or at least since BV was put into the game
hasty field
Imagine not taking wind shear on a shaman though. Probably the easiest kick to ...
He’s just finished lvling so
Not a big deal to fix. But thanks for your advice!
coarse topaz
Prot is getting nerfed 100%
hasty field
Prot is getting nerfed 100%
Duh
lusty grotto
lol
warm plinth
Like if you use thunderous roar and then booming voice, the bleed from TR will get buffed once demo is used, but the initial hit obviously won't be because you already used it @opal python
opal python
Like if you use thunderous roar and then booming voice, the bleed from TR will g...
yh
coarse topaz
The armor is gonna get nerfed 100%
warm plinth
Armor?
hasty field
Waiting for the 11 incoming
lusty grotto
uh huh
warm plinth
We've had the highest armor of all tanks for like...forever. Why would they nerf it now
coarse topaz
Yea it’s broken vs melee attacks
warm plinth
It has nothing to do with our armor
lusty grotto
right, since forever
warm plinth
and everything to do with block
Prot war is strong (defensively) when we can easily maintain shield block uptime
coarse topaz
Lvl 61 prot pulling 4 5 packs with highest dps sounds op to me
warm plinth
You can do that with any tank while leveling
warm plinth
that's literally how I leveled every tank
lusty grotto
how is this new to you lol
coarse topaz
Try that on a dh tank
warm plinth
Besides if Blizzard started tuning specs based on how they perform 9 levels below the level cap I'd probably quit the game haha
I've done it
lusty grotto
Try that on a dh tank
you can, if you're not bad
coarse topaz
With the highest dps
lusty grotto
if youre dogshit then you'd have a problem
coarse topaz
Damage
lusty grotto
100% proof idiot lol
coarse topaz
It will get nerfed watch
lusty grotto
good lord lmao
coarse topaz
U don’t know what dps means?
lusty grotto
on lvl 61 mobs lol
warm plinth
Like highest compared to other tanks? Highest compared to the rest of a dungeon group? What?
lusty grotto
"dps too high" on lvl 61 mobs LOL
coarse topaz
Ur telling me the dmg is fine not overtunned 🤣
warm plinth
How are you thinking the damage is overtuned when you're level 61 though
lusty grotto
you apparently havent played other tanks
coarse topaz
The armor and physical midagation is broken stupid
warm plinth
Who cares what anything looks like at level 61
lusty grotto
you're lvl 61
warm plinth
I care what it looks like at 70
coarse topaz
I’m not🤣
lusty grotto
Lvl 61 prot pulling 4 5 packs with highest dps sounds op to me
uhh????
lusty grotto
hello?
coarse topaz
Lvl 70 it’s the best tank by a mile it needs a nerf to armor and damage stop crying guys u know it😏
lusty grotto
its a really bad troll
polar lagoon
Lvl 70 it’s the best tank by a mile it needs a nerf to armor and damage stop cry...
Go back to Dreamgrove?
warm plinth
Our mitigation hasn't even changed other than not having extra mastery all the time because of banner
coarse topaz
hello?
I qued a normal and out tank was a lvl 61 prot beating us in damage and pulling everything and taking 0 dmg
warm plinth
We still just block everything
coarse topaz
Armor is busted and damage to
polar lagoon
I qued a normal and out tank was a lvl 61 prot beating us in damage and pulling ...
Go play with Brew for a minute ... lol
warm plinth
You queued a normal and you were what level
lusty grotto
I qued a normal and out tank was a lvl 61 prot beating us in damage and pulling ...
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
coarse topaz
I was 69
polar lagoon
Skill issue
coarse topaz
Just hit 70
polar lagoon
Moving on
lusty grotto
what an absolute retard
warm plinth
And people at the low end of a bracket scale better than the people at the top end of the bracket, especially when the people at the top are not geared yet
coarse topaz
In pvp to it’s broken takes 0 dmg from melees I don’t even use ip xd
warm plinth
Like if you have 30% haste at level 60 and you don't change your gear, you have like 6% haste by the time you get to 70 just by leveling
coarse topaz
Broken ass tank needs a armor nerf
lusty grotto
i bet this guy is one of those people that take meters in LFR seriously
warm plinth
Okay come on dude. You're just ignoring what I'm saying.
Go parrot your nonsense on the forums or something
hasty field
And like talking about finding some useful shammy info for a newbie. Why does this channel particularly, or the dh’s one, or boomkins one has all the kind of in-depth information I need, but when it comes to shammys channels it lacks so much information Jesus
Like I’ve never played shammy and I’ve no idea what advices can I give to my friend who’s new to the game
Thank god I heard your tips on shear and WFT, that’s at least smth : )
blazing condor
we're just built differently
warm plinth
And like talking about finding some useful shammy info for a newbie. Why does th...
Unfortunately it all comes down to who runs the server/channels
lusty grotto
idk i cant speak for shaman discord honestly
coarse topaz
Shamans suck play prot
warm plinth
Mage discord didn't even have spec channels until the last expansion
Because they felt they didn't need them
hasty field
Mage discord didn't even have spec channels until the last expansion
Like this
lusty grotto
@oblique garnet can we have a ban over here for this dumbass?
warm plinth
Or at least tell him to shut up
lusty grotto
or yeah a mute would be great
hasty field
Enh channel has 0 df related information
coarse topaz
U guys suck pve heros trash
lusty grotto
what discord are you in?
hasty field
It’s such a nonsense
warm plinth
Yeah it's unfortunate
lusty grotto
U guys suck pve heros trash
this guy @oblique garnet
warm plinth
When I started playing my warlock in 9.1, I ended up gearing with the completely wrong stats because their guide was out of date and I didn't realize it
So I got to 60 and was rocking pure haste/mastery when I was supposed to have crit/haste
lusty grotto
hmm...
warm plinth
have you tried the other shaman one? Maybe that one's better?
https://discord.gg/AcTek6e this one
strong forum
Shaman discord is split up afaik
pallid quiver
Yeah, there's one for Resto focus, one for the DPS specs
You can sorta get help in both, iirc, but you should swing to whichever one's more relevant iirc
hasty field
https://discord.gg/AcTek6e this one
It’s just for r shams as I see, but much appreciation!
pallid quiver
at any rate, i hate being fotm
there's a non-zero chance i browse through here just to block people
blazing condor
our position in SL was great
lusty grotto
or any other tank buffs tbh
pallid quiver
Based on what I've seen the general populace do, ye we're fotm since people think we're easypeasy
blazing condor
hated by everyone but actually a great tank
pallid quiver
and a lot of them still think we're #1 tank at everything because of Dorki's tier list
lusty grotto
well that's gonna change quickly when teams start pushing
pallid quiver
which i mean we ain't
and i know that
but the fotm people i keep running into don't
solar blade
So I got to 60 and was rocking pure haste/mastery when I was supposed to have cr...
happened to a friend of minr aswell hahah like the exact same
lusty grotto
i mean there's 0 reason why they shouldn't pick prot but
solar blade
skill>tierlists
lusty grotto
there's also no reason why they shouldn't pick any other tank
hasty field
skill>tierlists
Not always
loud patrol
its not best tank but damn feels like it
solar blade
had my surv hunt friend do twice the dmg a fotm dude would do
pallid quiver
In the current state of tank balance, 100% skill over tierlists. In like every semblance of WoW in recent history, still like 95%. People really underestimate how poorly people can play
i still am seeing prot warriors press whirlwind
lusty grotto
thats not gonna stop
people are also gonna pick questionable talents in the wrong situations as well
solar blade
In the current state of tank balance, 100% skill over tierlists. In like every s...
truuuuuue man hahahah
lusty grotto
which is fun when we make fun of them
but of course not without removing their names (because bullying is wrong)
solar blade
why its rude to suck at wow - love that video
pallid quiver
I don't care if you're bad
I care if you talk shit to people and say incorrect things or literally illiterate shit while being bad and thinking you're good
those are always the people i mean when i use fotm as a term
lusty grotto
i mean that fucking dude was just an extreme case
pallid quiver
i mean
lusty grotto
we used to have them a lot during BFA
pallid quiver
we've had people come in here
lusty grotto
this is nowhere near those levels
pallid quiver
and tell mwahi that he should listen to the icy veins guide writer
pallid quiver
oh yeah i believe you
It just doesn't mean I want to accept shit just because it could be shit with a knife in it
lusty grotto
and i honestly enjoy it, cause usually i can let toxichip out
😄
but i understand
wait until the penis measuring starts
that's when it gets good (or bad) depending on how you see it
hasty field
I care if you talk shit to people and say incorrect things or literally illitera...
It goes not only for wow environment so nothing surprising
Just a human nature
Great nickname tho, very much like it
ionic fern
and tell mwahi that he should listen to the icy veins guide writer
Maybe i should ..
modern brook
I did 4 dungeons and in each of them one guy said whoa since when does prot do numbers like those and another guy just started bitching about how broken the class was
I'm like 63 bro I'm milking broken scaling so hard
Everyone needs to chill about classes
warm plinth
@ionic fern hi ily
blazing condor
its like working cashier and having the "the item didnt scan so it must be free right haha!"
havent heard that one before
modern brook
I'm just tryna play dragon flight and these npcs in my normal dungeon qs are ruinin
modern brook
Bro I legit spent 45 minutes in a normal q today (it was broke ) and didn't notice cause dragonflying is oribos laps on cocaine
blazing condor
havent gotten there yet hopefully my csgo surf addiction carries over
blazing condor
warm plinth
Once you get that last one that makes your vigor recharge every 5 seconds during high speeds
FUUUUUUCK
It's like crack
mystic sleet
Someone could explain ne why on wowhead for m+ they didnt Tool cdr on sw?
warm plinth
Someone could explain ne why on wowhead for m+ they didnt Tool cdr on sw?
Because you don't need CDR on Shield Wall
blazing condor
anger management = cdr
hasty field
Because you don't need CDR on Shield Wall
Need some explanation here
ionic fern
It's not just cdr..it's also extra rage.
And imo you should pretty much always take it.
mystic sleet
Yes i meant the choice node with the extra Charge of sw
warm plinth
Yeah okay, then idk why he didn't take it
I see what you're referring to now. I wonder what he took instead
oh wtf he took enduring alacrity
neon fossil
Why does this build have Crackling Thunder instead of Blood and Thunder.
warm plinth
that seems questionable?
neon fossil
I thought so.
candid path
idk how that even happened, it was like... triple-checked and not just by me
neon fossil
I was like hmmmm that's not quite right haha
warm plinth
Can you explain why you went for Enduring Alacrity instead of Impenetrable Wall @candid path?
for the M+ build
I'm gonna go yell at Itamae right now
mystic sleet
for ravager i guess
ionic fern
You get Ravager from Shield Spec.
warm plinth
you don't need it for ravager
neon fossil
you dont need EA for rav
But, I thinks maybe the 1% haste might be better mathematically.
Plus 5% stam and 5% armour.
candid path
it's pretty much that
I think if you're needing shield wall every 45s in M0's, something is wrong
candid path
yeah, fair enough
enduring alacrity is the most droppable point near the bottom of the tree, for sure
pretty standard passive-active trade
ionic fern
And now we can link people to this response who come in asking.
warm plinth
I yelled at Itamae. He's gonna have to get fired now
ionic fern
hasty field
Do we ever take battle scarred veteran btw?
candid path
I always tend toward slightly more passive, easier talent recommendations in guides, especially early in an expansion
but either way will work very well
blazing condor
candid path
Do we ever take battle scarred veteran btw?
eh, problem is any spot where it might be useful, there's usually a better talent that would have prevented needing it, but maybe
warm plinth
I'd put money on seeing at least one high key prot war using it and tons of lemmings following suit
candid path
definitely going to happen at some point
hasty field
eh, problem is any spot where it might be useful, there's usually a better talen...
Thanks!
candid path
👍
jagged pier
i mean BSV is insane
but u only need it in content where u are going to die
so the highest keys and last few bosses on mythic prog
early mythic prog
u will not need it for your weekly keys
tbh like 95% of ppl will never need it
onyx vessel
But those 95% of people are the ones who look at that top key pusher
And gonna be like looks good copy
jagged pier
yer and follow blindly we know
onyx vessel
jagged pier
we saw it last expansion with several things
minor peak
are we underpowered
jagged pier
its gunna happen again
onyx vessel
Codex
bronze delta
Well .. we don't have cheat-death.
But then 30% is not that low/risky,
then 80% dmg reduction and 100% more healing for 8 sec..
It's close.
For excelent tanks in pre-made groups the value drops. But for avg pugs, on accidental overpull it might be saver
onyx vessel
warm plinth
SO IT BEGINS
onyx vessel
If you dying you probably shit
jagged pier
well that depends on the difficulty of the content
if its a high enouhg key an uninturpted spell can kill u
not your fault as per say
neon fossil
Is there a macro for Shield Charge/Normal Charge
(Which will always prioritise the Shield Charge)
jagged pier
not really SB is so easy to keep up and if u are a grey parse u aint gunna be doing content that matters or well you might do content that matters but not in the time frame where u will be undergeared and therefore need BSV
warm plinth
Is there a macro for Shield Charge/Normal Charge
(Which will always prioritise ...
#showtooltip
/cast Shield Charge
/cast Charge
should work?
Just make sure Shield Charge is first
neon fossil
Really as easy as that? Wouldn't it rotate?
onyx vessel
Leap charge in
neon fossil
Leap charge in
GIGACHAD!
warm plinth
No, charge is off GCD so it'll just fail to cast shield charge and cast charge.
Assuming you're not in melee
onyx vessel
Hence leap away
warm plinth
But basically the macro is gonna try both spells every time you press it
But since shield charge is first it'll prio shield charge
long stone
First Time Play warrior as a tank mainly - love it 😄
warm plinth
and just fail to cast charge
onyx vessel
So would it do both at same time
warm plinth
I was told earlier that you can't do both at the same time
neon fossil
It sucks that they put shield charge on GCD
warm plinth
It's only on GCD if you're in melee range fwiw
onyx vessel
Probably pvp related
neon fossil
I like to leap in and charge at the same time... leaving a blazing flame in the air
onyx vessel
warm plinth
I like to leap in and charge at the same time... leaving a blazing flame in the ...
You can still do that with Shield Charge I'm pretty sure, as long as you press it before you get too close to the mob?
neon fossil
It used both Shield Charge and Charge lol
neon fossil
o.O
warm plinth
You could do a macro where you hold shift to Charge and otherwise it does Shield Charge
neon fossil
Nah it would spaz me out trying to do that
warm plinth
Fair enough lol
neon fossil
I used a razer naga and orbweaver literally everything is already keybinded.
But then again, I dont see why I would need 3 charges to be fair.
So I guess it doesnt matter.
It sync's up to have 2 charges on rotation like normal without shield charge being counted.
warm plinth
Yeah I mean, even if you keep the macro I gave you, I guess worst case you waste some of the rage if you had some left at the end of the last pull?
But you could always dump with an IP or something before charging
neon fossil
Yea
That is something to consider too. Because it's double the rage
i just noticed that.
knotty idol
Anyone got tips for a clean opening? I swear I shield charge in and the free revenge proc runs out before I have a free global to press it, too busy puting everything on cd to even thunder clap until 6-7 seconds into a pull
ionic fern
You don't Shield Charge in tho..just Charge.
neon fossil
so when are you using shield charge?
ionic fern
Later with your other CD's.
jagged pier
u use SC avater avatar and demo
ionic fern
Charge gives Rage and has a minimum range.
Shield Charge doesn't have a minimum range.
knotty idol
Okay so charge, tc, avatar, demo then send all cds?
strong forum
neon fossil
Okay so charge, tc, avatar, demo then send all cds?
Wouldnt you be rage capping like crazy?
jolly granite
strong forum
Smh doesn't even use IP
neon fossil
Yea, but he didnt say that Sorry for not assuming his play.
ionic fern
What...
strong forum
IP is usually not mentioned specifically in the rotation because its assumed as much that you send it
It's not a "rotational" thing
Would be a bit much to mention every IP use in the opener sequence
knotty idol
Okay one quick question tho how important is getting rend on everything? If I folow that opening guide then nothing will get rend until 4-5 gcds
neon fossil
So when are you using TR?
lofty widget
knotty idol
And you don't need to apply rend before using tr? I thought there was faster bleeding during tr
Maybe I read it wrong tbh
jolly granite
Just hit thunderclap after the opener sequence and your fine
strong forum
In my apl I sent it like this, did the most dmg that way
Charge->avatar->Ravager->demo->sc->roar
warm plinth
Would be a bit much to mention every IP use in the opener sequence
THUNDERCLAPIPREVENGEIPSHIELDBLOCKIPSHIELDSLAMIPTHUNDERCLAPIP
knotty idol
In my apl I sent it like this, did the most dmg that way
Charge->avatar->Ravage...
👌
Wish demo wasn't on cd kinda makes the opener feel slow but it is what it isss
strong forum
Yea
grizzled forge
anyone know what the macro is to have shield slam macroed to IP?
i briefly remember Nomeratur talking about it
arctic basin
sick sentinel
you never realized how enjoyable pwar's toolkit is until banner's gone
dw too much about ip in opener its not gonna be a thing when you get 4p
revenge gives you ip if you dont have the buff its different from that talent
strong forum
My macro is explained in the pins aswell
long stone
Love atm warrior Tank : D
spice pivot
Agreed
sand torrent
What does the set give us?
long stone
More potatoes my dear…… More potatoes… XD
long stone
(2) Set Bonus: Revenge grants you Vanguard's Determination, increasing your damage done and reducing damage you take by 4% for 5 seconds.
(4) Set Bonus: During Vanguard's Determination, gain Ignore Pain equal to 10% of damage you deal.
sand torrent
Ok we cant right now either
long stone
Thats beta status of the set
sand torrent
I thought about calling sick today hahah
severe hatch
Finally doing more damage than I did at 60
long stone
Hahaha
sand torrent
Hahaha
long stone
Think of getting 2 set pieces from pvp today for the vers bonus
iron orbit
Damn I feel bad for starting with DH reading all the messages, I want my warrior at 70 now 😦
bold linden
Think of getting 2 set pieces from pvp today for the vers bonus
Wait you can already get set Item?
Forget IT, Google answered... PvP Set Not the Set i thouggt
ivory elbow
cobalt seal
ocean finch
OH, yea m0 is opened
slim pier
strong forum
Hah! Love it
fresh belfry
has any guidewriter been forced to think about embellishments already?
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> which Build would you prefer for raiding?
The ones I pinned
long stone
So everyone is for Raiding Good - Thank you for your work !
potent sun
How we feeling about embellished? Is the shield/legs best bet?
strong forum
Probably helmet + spikes (wherever that is) /belt
But it's heavily TBD
Haven't really put much thought into those things yet
wraith onyx
darkmoon card any good for us?
high drum
jc neck seemed good on beta
long stone
Blacksmithing all the way !!😹
neon fossil
Seems like they have incorpated fist weapons back with Str and Agi. However, does the straight damage on the wep modifier count for a "great" deal?
strong forum
Ilvl is king on weapons
The weapon dps is what counts
And that part is normalised across all 1h weapon types
The dmg ranges on weapons are just flavour, they don't have an actual impact
neon fossil
The weapon dps is what counts
Right okay. Understood.
neon fossil
The dmg ranges on weapons are just flavour, they don't have an actual impact
Yea, this is what I was wondering
brittle garnet
Any info on what the bis craft items are?
tawdry dirge
how gud is the DmD trinket this time around?
absorbshield +versa sounds pretty nice
strong forum
Inferno is good
The tank trinket is a joke unless it's been buffed since the last time I checked it
neon fossil
tawdry dirge
i mean prices are a joke anyways but maybe in a couple of weeks
but it aint sound to bad on paper 90k shield and 1.5k versa
on a 1.5min cd sounds not to bad as defensive
neon fossil
thats what I thought too.
strong forum
80k absorb on 1.5min CD meh
neon fossil
But that 1.5k vers?
strong forum
At 400ilvl you'll have over 400k hp
1.5k vers is barely over 4% my guy
400 vers = 1% iirc
neon fossil
Okay
strong forum
Could be wrong lemme check
tawdry dirge
yeh but thats on top
neon fossil
4% what?
slim dove
vers.
strong forum
205 vers = 1%
neon fossil
ahh okay
slim dove
defensive vers anyway
neon fossil
Miss read!
strong forum
So it's ~7% vers
tawdry dirge
90k + 1.5k versa is not to bad defensive
slim dove
its meh
strong forum
If you have nothing else, sure you can pick it up
whole plinth
So basically a passive IP
neon fossil
3% DR for pwar LOL like we need it
tawdry dirge
yeah i was more like an option pick if i dont get lucky in dungeons
tawdry dirge
true didnt thought about it that way
strong forum
Like it's alright for a trinket you can buy, but it's nothing special
neon fossil
But if you're gonna buy one, then just go for the DPS one
slim dove
can endlessly spam heroics idk
neon fossil
neon fossil
But still, I dont see this being "great" either.
tawdry dirge
hummwe can use fistweps?
neon fossil
80k over 90s
neon fossil
hummwe can use fistweps?
Yes
tawdry dirge
thats new isnt it?
neon fossil
thats new isnt it?
No, it's old school!
strong forum
Yeah inferno isnt really hot either
tawdry dirge
fair play
neon fossil
Warrior's was able to use fist weps in earlier expansions but they moved away from it with the adaption of fist weps being more AGI focused for Monks/DH I believe
neon fossil
In vanilla warriors was able to use everything apart from a wand iirc
tawdry dirge
wauu nice
spring holly
so is prot warrior just really gcd capped? Because I'm levelling and already feel gcd capped, especially in aoe.
spring holly
thanks, good to know it's not the other way around lol
hollow anvil
so prot seems busted, how likely it will be nerfed* and if not meta this season?
turfed xD
spiral compass
anyone know the max ilvl you can make with dragon flight blacksmithing can’t find it anywhere
open gazelle
Running mythics today, currently loving shield charge, basic dragon roar for snap threat, loving shockwave plus sonic boom, I think bsv is useless right now if you play well
Wish I had ravager but I like the other end talents better
long stone
Ravager with macroed to position is so. Love 🫶
strong forum
Which means if a mob does a 400k melee slam before block and armor, it'll proc BSV despite not even losing 20% hp
long stone
Avatar - charge- demo , and the fun begins
open gazelle
10 secs is too long right now for ravager on a fing 1.5 min cd.. things die too fast, I like burst, snap threat build right now for dungeon ie DR and sonic boom shockwave
Y’all taking unnerving focus?
deep spruce
Hows execute looking now, was the buff decent enough?
drifting pewter
Sorta new to war, what's our method of getting threat on a big pack we just pull? Tclap + revenge or just dragon roar
vital sinew
push as much at once as you can
slim dove
Sorta new to war, what's our method of getting threat on a big pack we just pull...
rotate CDs on each pull
vital sinew
tclap is a good initiate
slim dove
avatar + roar OR ravager
tclap isn't enough for how much burst havoc and shit can do rn
open gazelle
I’m using outbursts tc on big pulls too
open gazelle
People really going ravager wtf
slim dove
im not megamind enough to time my outburst procs for the next pull
yes, ravager is big money.
vital sinew
enjoy dnd
strong forum
Hows execute looking now, was the buff decent enough?
Should be worth pressing again
slim dove
1.5 mins instead of 20 seconds
open gazelle
How lmaooo you want shield charge plus indom outburst and booming voice
spiral compass
i’ve been finding on big pulls for huge damage and unending rage i gather use avatar + ravager + roar + demo to be good idk if that correct
strong forum
Up until 2 targets
slim dove
aint nearly as shit feeling as being anchored to dnd
slim dove
How lmaooo you want shield charge plus indom outburst and booming voice
you can take them all?
strong forum
Yes
slim dove
yeah idk the issue
open gazelle
Yes you can take them all if you don’t take fing piss ravager
open gazelle
One sec I’ll share my talents
strong forum
Ravager is one of our strongest talents lol
last crest
are sims broken for anyone else ?
strong forum
Literally 100% pickrate
spiral compass
is that recommended combo @strong forum avatar ravager dragon roar demo shout
strong forum
Sims shouldn't be broken
slim dove
Sims shouldn't be broken
What trinks from dungeons you feeling worth getting?
strong forum
Blazehoof thingy, trample thingy
slim dove
Blazehoof thingy, trample thingy
dope, ty. thought as much but your smart
last crest
Sims shouldn't be broken
any idea what im doing wrong then ?
strong forum
Nah that's not your fault
vital sinew
whats your avg rate on blazehoof stack? I'm getting issues maxing it
strong forum
Looks like a typo when the apl was updated
last crest
sadge
spiral compass
thunderous roar*
last crest
may i ask here then, is this proccing weapon any good for us ?
slim dove
its free damage
strong forum
Forgestorm is busted
slim dove
but its not in m+ pool
last crest
so totally over the hatchet ?
strong forum
its free damage
Not entirely free since it doesn't have Str
But it's very strong nontheless
strong forum
Forgestorm needs to do over 4% of your dmg to be a net gain
Which it does in aoe
In ST not so much, relies on rng there
strong forum
any idea what im doing wrong then ?
Try the nightly build if you haven't , maybe that one works
spiral compass
I’ve been cycling mob pulls with avatar , ravager , roar , demo shout than next pull avatar and challenging shout is that the play or am i way off
last crest
okay then i wanna ask between these trinkets
strong forum
I've been using everything on CD
last crest
its fragment for sure right ?
strong forum
Seems to work out so far
last crest
Try the nightly build if you haven't , maybe that one works
what´s that? 😂
strong forum
When you go down to options when simming
There's the "1boss" "5min" options
On the right there's the weekly/nightly build option
spiral compass
@strong forum do you stream dungeons on twitch?
strong forum
I will ye
spiral compass
beautiful
open gazelle
okay then i wanna ask between these trinkets
KEEP IN MIND this build is for burst only... will change to rav+bleed build for m+ when things take longer to die
strong forum
Focused vigor is 5x as good as alacrity
last crest
strong forum
Ya okay then Sims are dead for now cuz of a typo or smth, rip
Will get fixed soon tm, will take 1day minimum
last crest
KEEP IN MIND this build is for burst only... will change to rav+bleed build for ...
i this feels comfy enough for me tbh
open gazelle
mainly just saw the haste
open gazelle
pluis stam rifght now is cool
strong forum
😭
open gazelle
alrighjt ill switch up
strong forum
The talent below into the fray/heavy repercussions
open gazelle
but seriosuly fuck ravager atm
strong forum
You don't have to play ravager
But you kinda inting if you don't
It's super strong
strong forum
i this feels comfy enough for me tbh
Bloodborne is trolling
Pick focused vigor instead, much stronger talent
Juggernaut is also quite bad
open gazelle
bloodborn blows?
strong forum
Always did
open gazelle
where is bloodborn?
hazy sluice
Any professions that help at tanking kind of ? Like engineering did with cardboard assassin
strong forum
Nop
candid path
👍
hazy sluice
K thx
open gazelle
where is bloodborne?
candid path
right side of the tree
2 point talent, boosts bleed damage, generally sucks
because of the cost
strong forum
1 point in bloodborne is 1.5% dmg increase if yiu play well
Vigor is 6-7% dmg increase
last crest
Bloodborne is trolling
i picked juggernaut to do something at bosses, because pugs are ... yeah
strong forum
Punish is more boss dmg
candid path
if it was at its current value for a 1-pointer, situationally justifiable
last crest
alright
candid path
but it's just too expensive for how low it is
candid path
I would not ever use any of the talents beneath Ravager
open gazelle
so we like the dmg not the rage gen
strong forum
There are better talents to get the rage gen
Instigate is more rage gen than storm of steel
And you don't lose any dmg to get it
candid path
there are basically no circumstances in which either of the talents beneath Ravager are worth using
they are joke talents
like the Heroic Throw talents
they are there to fill a quota
open gazelle
brace for impact or unnerving focus
candid path
BFI
last crest
is this any good for now ?
strong forum
Depends on proc rate
candid path
constant damage reduction and damage value or occasional, marginal rage gain, that's an easy call
that trinket seems polite to use when tanking with a brewmaster, but not actually good once you get any level of gear beyond the initial, desperate gearing-up stages
1 proc per minute is okay, not great, but 1 proc per minute on damage taken is rough
strong forum
That's worse than a stat stick then
open gazelle
Hmmm to fit in ravager I have to either get rid of brace for impact, booming voice, or focused vigor… any worth the trade??
strong forum
?
Get rid of bolster
Playing bolster + hr + Ed + bulwark is overkill
Thats 200% block uptime
You "only" need 3/4 block talents for 100%
You picked 4/4
last mason
might be a dumb question but is the idea to have block and ip up all the time, or do you only ip if youre still taking significant dmg with block up
open gazelle
What do if I keep bolster
candid path
then from there, maintain IP if you are taking damage, and revenge or execute the rest of your Rage away
strong forum
Get rid of bulwark to get ravager then, but like I said, you don't have to
You could alternatively swap to itf instead of hr
And not lose bulwark
candid path
I would take into the fray right now for all content
I wouldn't use HR until raid, personally
candid path
both are good talents
last crest
this sounds pog, no ?
lusty tiger
hot gyro
wich stat you priorise on crafts ?
long stone
Haste
grave crane
Itf in raid, hr everywhere else
Yeah HR when I’m the only tank feels good. Itf when I have someone else is nice but it’s probably just a feel type deal
long stone
Ltf means what 🤔
high drum
into da frey
grave crane
More haste when you got people around you
long stone
Ahhhh LOL big i xD
grave crane
Yeah phone does that
long stone
And i think wtf does he mean xD
open gazelle
Oh wtf am I doing ITF over HR for sure
round cliff
need a big shield gf to tank for me
urban bane
"Be the big shield gf you want to see in the world" – Gandhi or something probably
round cliff
i will
urban bane
Anyone know the approx rage value from battering ram off-hand?
open gazelle
Simply fix, I found out I could just drop punish and still get ravager
lusty grotto
seems appropriate
neon fossil
@strong forum What is the math behind Shockwave, Sonic Boom, Rumbling Earth in contrast to TR counterpart.
lusty grotto
for the actor to be called that
honestly never noticed, but i doubt it has changed names from way back lol
strong forum
Rumbling earth is a dps loss
Sonic boom + TR is less dmg than TR + words
And you'll never play uproar in actual m+ because shockwave is very very strong utility
Sonic boom isn't alot less dmg than words, but you'll additionally use a utility button just for dmg which can be detrimental in m+
urban bane
yeah, im enjoying being a greedy goblin and nixxing shockwave for uproar for m0 weeks. imagine it wont be long 'til ill need to swap back.
urban bane
1min roar is so nice ;__;
slim dove
eh
1.5min is fine
you could prob eschew shockwave if you have a havoc dh with more than 5iq also
(imo)
urban bane
challenge difficulty: impossible
strong forum
I've not had issues with threat
uneven mason
Imagine a expansion where you can just open the gate and go ham
slim dove
I've not had issues with threat
I mean their fel nova works fine for the aoe stun utility
lusty grotto
eh? meta...
slim dove
yeee
strong forum
If you have havoc = no shockwave
urban bane
yeah it is very nice. i wonder if other tanks feel comparably amazing. i imagine no
slim dove
ive yet to have anyone rip threat off me in any dungeon
strong forum
Nah, always shockwave, just relying on 1 aoe stun is gambling
strong forum
yeah it is very nice. i wonder if other tanks feel comparably amazing. i imagine...
Vdh doesn't have as nice burst
Every other tank does
strong forum
"I wonder if other tanks feel comparably amazing"
open gazelle
We have fing DR, ravager, tclap spam build, and a sonic boom shockwave right now if you want it, the aoe dps os insane
lusty grotto
was wondering why meta wasnt being mentioned
slim dove
i thought we were talking about havoc homies
we were, we moved on
lusty grotto
as an aoe stun lol
lusty grotto
true but also
cursive burrow
So is there a reason we don't grab Bolster int he prot tree when going right by it?
slim dove
So is there a reason we don't grab Bolster int he prot tree when going right by ...
dont need it