boats on the zepplin tower
#protection
vital sinew
toxic pewter
anyone else dragon isles not loading
placid vale
Same
placid vale
Crash in 3 2 1
toxic pewter
cries
vital sinew
aaaaand back to the gy, lol
slim dove
instance not found
copper lion
everyone else crashed on zep?
tender cove
everyone else crashed on zep?
yep, everyone on my realm
its not even coming a new zepp atm
money well spent 😄
tender cove
the *entirety* of the playerbase is zoning into dragon isles on every shard rn
I didnt even have a queue on draenor eu at 23.45
neon elk
I didnt even have a queue on draenor eu at 23.45
Maybe thats the issue, they removed ques cuz people cried about them and now servers cant handle it. Looks like another launch well made
tender cove
make sure to click the npc
plush prism
weird question homies. is there a list of all movement-related abilities for Prot Warriors? I wanna go fast like sanic and I don't mind sacrificing other shit for it
tender cove
he gives you an 60 min buff
without it? you wont see the npc timer
and maybe wont phase for the zeppelin
so make sure to talk to dude
smoky dock
Boat is here on alliance side
tender cove
Boat is here on alliance side
horde is coming 45 sec on dreanor eu
smoky dock
lol portal would of been better jeez
tender cove
it is essentially a portal with extra steps
tender cove
sadge
2nd time going now, wish me luck
anyone know why twitch always is unstable for me? It just started like a week or two ago
nothing on my end changed
polar raptor
ublock origin?
copper lion
bro it'd frozen again
tender cove
slowly moving
cursive hedge
Is it better to level as prot or arms?
chrome falcon
HELLO?
BLIZZARD???
it fucking kicked me off the zeppelin and dropped me in the middle of the ocean
did it not install the game
is that what's happening here
warm plinth
it fucking kicked me off the zeppelin and dropped me in the middle of the ocean
ngl that's funny shit. But that sucks
neon elk
Kill em all
fast knot
neon elk
Grind to 70 while everone strugle to get there xd
tender cove
finally dc
tender cove
how long til people give up, should just take another hour nap
neon elk
Just go to bed and play in morning , ezpz
neon elk
Did they realy add portal?
strong forum
yea
oak echo
Y'all gotta realize this is part of the experience. This is what's supposed to happen
Where will you end up once you're on the boat? Nobody knows
neon elk
Yea thats the part of experience i realy wont miss
tender cove
ublock origin?
i have no dropped packages and everything looks good in obs but in stream manager it says unstable and cant figure out why 😒
I dont even have ublock, just adblocker
tender cove
Where will you end up once you're on the boat? Nobody knows
i'm killing dragons but now world server is down.
are all regions down? or just eu?
warm plinth
I'm sure literally everyone is having trouble
It's how just about every wow expansion launch goes
tender cove
nevermind me, im a stupid idiot
warm plinth
why do you say that
tender cove
I had the beta client selected and not retail
warm plinth
OOF
tender cove
thanks bro ❤️
i like how the progress bar for loading screen is loading less with each attempt lmao
wind oak
it's cause i'm stealing your progress bar progress
pallid quiver
I get no launch because I'm in a school building with class in 15 mins
mighty valley
this is justice for all the people who still have to be at work
warm plinth
#JusticeForGhash
tender cove
this is justice for all the people who still have to be at work
its 00.47 here. I dont feel justice for people working middle of the night 😦
thinking of just taking my ambien and crash and go up like 7 am or smt and start fresh and have entire day
but it just feels so meh, been so hyped for this 😦
pallid quiver
You were hyped for the wrong thing
If you're playing at launch launch, you're not supposed to be playing the game
You're there for how fucked up the game is
slim dove
truuu
warm plinth
If you want the proper feelsgood launch experience, you always wait a day or two
tender cove
If you're playing at _launch_ launch, you're not supposed to be playing the game
Fair enough. Im just gonna go to bed, its late as is and trying to push hours now will just waste better hours tomorrow for no reason.
sinful pewter
Question regarding execute rotation.
With the tier set, will we continue to revenge to keep up %damage and IP gain during execute for: both situations, either, or neither?
- Jugg
- Punish
Haven't been able to find much info about that.
mighty valley
Execute has been nerfed a lot from SL so it's very unlikely that you should let your tier set drop for it
Punish is better in pretty much all situations right now
tender cove
got in on the last attempt ofc
strong forum
Question regarding execute rotation.
With the tier set, will we continue to reve...
execute rotation is SS > tc > revenge for tierset buff > execute
sweet summit
loading screen simulator 
strong forum
its borderline not worth to press execute
if you want to forgo EVERYTHING and prio execute over revenge and ignore pain its like a 0.5% dps gain
but youll be extremely rage starved
and jugg is a dead talent even with going full ham on execute
smoky dock
Brutal world crash...
spring holly
why does the maximum parsing build switch to fueled by violence? How does that help your dps lol?
lusty tiger
Prob never have to press ip
sick sentinel
youre not gonna have enough rage for overcapping your tier set uptime
warm plinth
you always have to press IP
sick sentinel
not on st where execute is even an option
aoe you dont cast it period, st not enough rage
toxic pewter
i got DC'd and have a world server is down feelsbad
sick sentinel
sry that was prob me i just got home
spring holly
why would you not cast ip on aoe? A lot of times you can't even revenge fast enough to dump all rage
sick sentinel
oh no im talking about execute not ip
spring holly
oh wait yeah we're on different converstation threads lol my b
sick sentinel
im saying in st, realistically if you want to play safe and have full uptime on both block and ip, youre gonna have a hard time keeping up your tier set bonus, let alone execute
toxic pasture
I’m in guys
toxic pewter
I’m in guys
Which server are you on
austere berry
Looking for some clarification regarding spell block.
My understanding is It only works on direct dmg, will not work against magic dots and magic aoe? Is this correct
toxic pasture
Tichondrius but there’s fa… no npcs. Soz for faulty info no gameplay available yet
cinder storm
Looking for some clarification regarding spell block.
My understanding is It onl...
Spell reflect can reflect a spell, sometimes nullifies it and sometimes deflects it which reduces the damage taken, it's a spell by spell basis and sense did a spreadsheet, check the pins
urban wolf
Anyone else having issues with Thunder Claps cooldown not showing correctly?
warm plinth
are you using an addon for your action bars?
urban wolf
Just base elvui
warm plinth
Might try turning it off just to make sure it's a game bug vs just an issue with elvui
elfin atlas
I am using ElvUI and no issue
austere berry
Spell reflect can reflect a spell, sometimes nullifies it and sometimes deflects...
i was referring to the talent spell block
warm plinth
did you update today Zich?
warm plinth
i was referring to the talent spell block
Spell block works on any magic afaik.
elfin atlas
Yes. Updated ElvUI yesterday
urban wolf
Yea its elvui, damn. When i pop avatar instead of showing a lower cooldown it shows 8 seconds.
elfin atlas
oh gladi didnt update ElvUI today then Avatar is fine for me atm
tender cove
when vigor stops recharging you know dc is inc lol
urban wolf
Thanks yea that works, i really liked the numbers though. Sad
tender cove
speaking of elvui, any idea why I cant get tukui client to find my elvui installation?
toxic pewter
WOW
vestal moat
We take these wins boys
toxic pewter
thats huge
vestal moat
cant play the game so just checking wowhead lol
novel temple
Holy shit that execute buff
mystic sleet
Will finally feel viable again^^
desert dome
30 lol wow
stable valve
hope execute is worth again now. such a fun button
toxic pewter
gota be honest wish execute gave us the tier buff 😛
stable valve
gota be honest wish execute gave us the tier buff 😛
that would be chef's kiss
novel temple
It probably should honestly
But now I gotta decide if I wanna have more shield block uptime or go with them PHAT executes
chrome falcon
@strong forum 30% execute buff enough to make it worth pressing maybe?
it's still trash compared to before but
tender cove
it's still trash compared to before but
wait what? Really?
It gets a 30% buff and its STILL trash? wtf?
tender cove
how much did it get nerfed 😮
stable valve
Banner+pre nerf execute was a hitter
dark lark
warm plinth
16k after buff 😱
strong forum
ya that ofc helps
pallid quiver
It sounds like the buff is after the weekly restarts, at least, so there's that
pallid quiver
wait they took the rage refund?
damn i was so stuck on how much they kicked the damage i never noticed
im bein' gaslit by blizz
gusty perch
paper coral
we dont take instigate anymore?
urban portal
still need mathing out
pallid quiver
we only take instigate in ST
unless they buffed rage gen on blood surge on me since i wasn't looking
paper coral
Shield charge is so fun
urban bane
also still doesnt help anti synergy with tier, unfortunately.
warm plinth
unless they buffed rage gen on blood surge on me since i wasn't looking
nope but they did buff how cute you are somehow 
novel temple
Is the execute buff in yet?
pallid quiver
☺️
pallid quiver
Is the execute buff in yet?
And from what I saw, not yet
Will be in with weekly restarts
jagged granite
Haven't really logged in yet, #workmode.
I what are people lvling as? I like running around shieldslamming shit but I want to go faaaast bzzzzzrt.
warm plinth
You can kill one or two mobs at a time or you can kill 20 mobs at a time
Seems an easy choice to me
short vale
Haven't really logged in yet, #workmode.
I what are people lvling as? I like ru...
Prot rly recks atm anyway in lvling if ur 270+ ilvl, go prot imo
lime palm
If you hit one of the wandering rare mobs you'll be glad you went Prot. I soloed the first one I saw, and there's no way I could've as Arms or Fury.
lime palm
nice
bold wave
someone knows how long it takes?
strong forum
took me 6hrs
lime palm
I just hit the Kalcgos stuff.
bold wave
i mean the maintenance
warm plinth
For 60-70?
strong forum
maintenance is 1hr
strong forum
For 60-70?
60-70 + full campaign
lime palm
Get all your runes?
coral marsh
did you skip sidequests?
lime palm
I'm sure he did.
sage granite
Did we previously know about the execute buff coming at reset?
torn gulch
i'm 68
sage granite
Nice hope they are trying to make that build viable
winged creek
Worth to put execute on our actionbars now?
torn gulch
Worth to put execute on our actionbars now?
what?
lime palm
It should already be there.
torn gulch
i mean we always have execute on our bars
neon elk
Any of those "new" stuff affecting us? Mostly those things that modify our armor
sage granite
The bug fixes should be a buff to our armour as we were not getting the full amount before
tropic sundial
Still no fix to Brutal Vitality though? big sad
neon elk
And guess the armor value one is simply a tooltip and doesnt change anything, right?
novel temple
Brutal bit is bugged?
tropic sundial
It stops once you cap IP and doesn't start again until a new IP
strong forum
did you hit 70 before you finished the campaign or after?
1 quest before
neon elk
So, how fast was world first 70
strong forum
2ish hours?
warm plinth
Well, the icy-veins article said Gingi did it in an hour and a half, but he was not the first 70
neon elk
What ? Another "clever use of game mechanics" ?
warm plinth
I mean that's how every world first max level happens. They generally have quests that were already pre-completed, group strats, etc
warm plinth
What was his strat?
strong forum
Farmed elites in the maw
tropic sundial
rofl
strong forum
Each mob gave 4k XP
strong forum
Yeah, he was 63 within 15minutes
tropic sundial
You really have to want to be world first to go and subject yourself to the Maw again
warm plinth
that's insane
strong forum
Then it got nerfed to 400xp per mob
neon elk
Do i need to learn df mining somewhere or is regular one enough to at least pick nodes untill i get yo trainer ?
tropic sundial
There are trainers in the first camp
strong forum
Or just valdrakken main city has them obv yoo
warm plinth
How does the new main city rank on a scale of Oribos to Boralus?
neon elk
Och nice , realy wish i could play for more than 7 mins before shutdown xd
tropic sundial
How does the new main city rank on a scale of Oribos to Boralus?
It has an non engi AH apparently.
warm plinth
:pog:
strong forum
Idk I've only spent like 4minutes in there
But dragonriding obv makes it infinitely better
Cuz you can get everywhere instantly
warm plinth
Yeah I'm looking forward to that
Hopefully by the time I get home, the servers will be relatively stable and I can just pound through
novel temple
What’s the deal with archaeology?
crude notch
Not yet, I guess would be the "deal"
crude notch
Hopefully by the time I get home, the servers will be relatively stable and I ca...
Everything is perfect on NA now. The only problem the last couple hours had been the lag specifically on looting, but that was fixed too.
warm plinth
Everything is perfect on NA now. The only problem the last couple hours had been...
Couple friends on NA just said they started experiencing lag again like 20ish mins ago
crude notch
¯_(ツ)_/¯
novel temple
Not yet, I guess would be the "deal"
Yeah, cause this seems like archaeology would be huge this expansion like it was in cata
crude notch
I had moderate to severe lagging for the first six hours. Then it was exlusively looting and turning in quests for two hours. Now it's nothing.
I had 17 disconnects in my first four hours.
warm plinth
so what you're saying is I just get to 70 then laugh at everyone and how long it took them even though it's because of server issues?
severe hatch
I had moderate to severe lagging for the first six hours. Then it was exlusively...
My NA experience is identical
crude notch
Next expansion whatever toon I'm leveling with to start I"m sending to the deadest of realms.
crude notch
so what you're saying is I just get to 70 then laugh at everyone and how long it...
Yes.
Ironically the time when I was least laggy was when I was dragonriding
lyric elm
Next expansion whatever toon I'm leveling with to start I"m sending to the deade...
The full RP realms are surprisingly chill, people are more casual there
crude notch
I don't really care about chill, I care about being able to connect and stay connected.
I stay chill whether it's Illidan or Winterhoof
spark mortar
So has anyone made a macro yet that incorporates Shield Charge, Charge and Intervene that works?
lyric elm
I don't really care about chill, I care about being able to connect and stay con...
It's chill in the way that not a lot of people are logged in at the same time.
Because I had no problems
zealous willow
Yo we got buffed?
warm plinth
So has anyone made a macro yet that incorporates Shield Charge, Charge and Inter...
Can you be more specific?
How do you want them incorporated
spark mortar
Like my old Warbringer macro had Charge/Intervene mixed in together.
warm plinth
Something like...
#showtooltip
/cast [mod:shift,harm]Shield Charge;[@mouseover,help,nodead]Intervene;Charge
spark mortar
That would work nicely.
spark mortar
Giving it a whirl now.
Hey @warm plinth so the only thing I'm running into is that hitting the shift-mod and then the trigger for Charge is resulting in switching the tooltip icon back to Charge.
Clicking on it in button bar works but hitting the #1 key on my Naga does not. Weird.
warm plinth
You're holding shift while pressing it, correct?
spark mortar
Yup - I changed the mod to alt and it's working better now. Weird.
warm plinth
It's possible you have something already bound to shift-whateveryourchargebuttonis
@ionic fern hi ily
tulip kelp
It's possible you have something already bound to shift-whateveryourchargebutton...
This
ionic fern
<@238357283996696576> hi ily
Good morning.
warm plinth
Did you get a chance to play in the new expansion yet?
warm plinth
Nope. I had to go to work when it was starting, but at least I will be past most of the lag hopefully when I get home
tulip kelp
Any tips from those that have done it? I’m just following main campaign yeah?
lyric elm
That's what you'll do yes
mighty valley
There’s a lot of fun distractions and no real rush since m+ and raids aren’t even open
ionic fern
Nope. I had to go to work when it was starting, but at least I will be past mos...
It's chill on EU right now..tho it's only 10 AM. 😄
ionic fern
There’s a lot of fun distractions and no real rush since m+ and raids aren’t eve...
Jeah. Planning to just level multiple characters and nothing else.
Both, the Icy Veins and WoWHead Protection warrior guides have been updated for Dragonflight!
https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-pve-tank-guide
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/overview-pve-tank
tulip kelp
Are the glyphs worth getting asap? Or no need
toxic pewter
Are the glyphs worth getting asap? Or no need
I won’t lie I went around and got them and having 6 vigor is literally gamechanging
I love it and think it’s worth it. You’ll need them eventually anyway
gritty swallow
Leveling is much more fun when you can flex dragon riding as much as possible
Getting across an entire zone in 30 seconds was possibly my favorite part of the entire main quest line
cobalt roost
Are the changes to Enduring Alacrity and Focused Vigor buffs or nerfs?
dim hull
Hey, fury main here. I never tanked before, and I wanted to try being an off-tank for my guild. I heard proc warriors are really good rn but idk if they’re new player friendly. Would leveling a guardian Druid be easier for me to learn tanking, or is proc warrior easy enough to learn?
ionic fern
Hey, fury main here. I never tanked before, and I wanted to try being an off-tan...
Unfortunately Prot is now also fairly easy. 😦 So you will be just fine as Prot Warrior.
blazing condor
how high is our skill ceiling in relation to skill floor now
aka is there much wiggle room for skill
rose mango
all depends on how good you are in tracking cd's and looking at buttons if you need to trigger antoher one of those fat shieldblocks :p ( guilty as charged for not noticing it ran out sometimes)
dim hull
Unfortunately Prot is now also fairly easy. 😦 So you will be just fine as Prot ...
Unfortunately? Sounds like good news to me :))
dim hull
Okay That’s fair
ionic fern
aka is there much wiggle room for skill
Less than before imo.
urban bane
surely on higher keys you wont be able to play cluelessly right? 
blazing condor
yeah i feel like theyve raised the skill floor a lot
made us easier
which makes it so that its harder to tell a good pwarr from a bad one
cus its easy to play well regardless
urban bane
that'd be lowering the floor, wouldnt it? splitting hairs as i think everyone knows what you mean xD
dim hull
that'd be lowering the floor, wouldnt it? splitting hairs as i think everyone kn...
Ditto
blazing condor
that'd be lowering the floor, wouldnt it? splitting hairs as i think everyone kn...
if the skill floor is higher that means that the "entry level" skill required to have a high outcome is lower
if you have an axis of skill> and results^
urban bane
hm. i... dont know about that. a skill floor is the entry point to play effectively, i show i've always heard it. So a lower skill floor means it is easy to pick it up and seem competent. A higher one would be more difficult.
dim hull
if the skill floor is higher that means that the "entry level" skill required to...
Wait hold up, let’s forget about proc warriors for a second. “Raising the skill floor” sounds like “raising the bar”, like saying that expectations are higher right?
dim hull
Okay. Back to point. Prof warrior is easier, for better or worse.
urban bane
yes
ionic fern
It's a step in the right direction yes.
Now we just have to hope they make our tier set work with Execute.
carmine solstice
When execute hits on par with MS why use it 🤡
FORGOT this is prot.
Need more buffs I guess idk
hasty field
Don’t wanna be doomin, but seems like excessive kinda?
Now let’s wait for the following-up nerf
strong forum
Seems excessive?
Sir it still hits far less than what it did in SL, and prior to this buff execute is hardly worth to press
Just to put it into perspective, at level 60 in SL execute with 300ilvl + buffs hit as hard as it did on beta with 400 ilvl
hasty field
I mean everyone has its own strengths and weaknesses and it’s ok
sudden crystal
Hello, any idea for bis professions
uneven mason
Hello, any idea for bis professions
Whatever one doesn't make you vomit
lusty tiger
How do they nerf execute 3x then buff it on the way out lmfao
Do you think they noticed we stopped pressing it in the pre patch?
Now if only they could buff the area 52 server connection fidelity
jovial wedge
@strong forum any thoughts about your lvl 70 builds in the pins vs the guide ones for Mythic+?
mainly wondering if Enduring Alacrity is really needed and the potential downsides of not running Impenetrable wall
grave wedge
it just a fluke or does spell reflect no work againt the evoker class at all
in terms of reflection and damage reduction
jovial wedge
thanks @ionic fern, then why is it recommended for M+ on the guides?
ionic fern
it just a fluke or does spell reflect no work againt the evoker class at all
🤷 I'm rocking with warmode off.
ionic fern
thanks <@238357283996696576>, then why is it recommended for M+ on the guides?
Which guides?
grave wedge
turned it on for a bit fought an evokle im 294 with a rdm and he was eating me
ionic fern
PRetty sure i'm not picking it on the IV one.
jovial wedge
the one on Wowhead right now:
grave wedge
dueld him twice ina two on 1 got him the frist time then he just kicked my butt the second round with cd i deff poped spell reflect a few times and got slowed by spells he used right after using it
putting in a ticket his blast did way to much damage with cds poped somthing off
57k with spell reflect up from fire breath
ionic fern
the one on Wowhead right now:
It's not a bad point per-se, but Impenetrable Outweights it imo.
grave wedge
^^ty didnt see that one
ionic fern
If you want a proper answer you probably need to ask the guide writer.
jovial wedge
It's not a bad point per-se, but Impenetrable Outweights it imo.
yep, I got the same feeling, but was wondering if I was missing something
loud patrol
yo guys its been a second since i last tanked did shield slam increased shield block duration?
mellow quartz
With the HR talent
jovial wedge
yo guys its been a second since i last tanked did shield slam increased shield b...
yes, with a talent
loud patrol
yes, with a talent
the wowhead build has that talent?
cuz for the life of me i cant find it
mellow quartz
the wowhead build has that talent?
No
ionic fern
It's a node on the PRot tree.
Into the Fray / Heavy Repercussions
Left side of the tree.
mellow quartz
loud patrol
i see
ionic fern
so last question, should we use it?
You won't need it for the content you are doing for the first few weeks.
mellow quartz
Bad habits etc
ionic fern
ITF is also more damage than HR.
Once M+ releases and you are doing keys which warrant it, then you'd go for it.
spiral compass
is there any professions that benefit prot warrior more than others or is it whatever we chose
tender cove
why is beta client getting more updates? :S
or just smt i missed?
humf, game dead or what? Not queue yesterday or now :S
ionic fern
Yes, 100% dead. Don't play . Log out so i don't lag as much.
tender cove
You still lag? That disappeared around 5-6 am for me
tender cove
ohh, i finished that area.
ionic fern
Welp, i just logged on this morning.
tender cove
yeh, it was pretty laggy yd, especially trying to loot stuff, omg xD
dreamy acorn
someone has the new spreadsheet for blockable and reflectable spells pls ?
ionic fern
Pins.
dreamy acorn
ty
strong forum
mainly wondering if Enduring Alacrity is really needed and the potential downsid...
i myself would never pick it
other options just offer so much more damage
the only situation to pick it would be if you absolutely struggle to survive and have BSV already picked
jovial wedge
makes sense, yep
spiral compass
@strong forum is there any info i can find on professions for prot that benefit more than others or is completely personal choice
strong forum
no clue
spiral compass
ok sounds good
uneven mason
Can spot the people who have been playing classic
"what ts should I take" .... alchemy for double flask and engineering
But those are really just qol stuff
safe shale
What was that tracker for buffing SS or TC?
I have it on my laptop but I need to get it on my PC
Oh, nevermind I found it
uneven mason
Seeing red?
Iirc they've fixed the bug that made tracking the stacks super important
I wouldn't know though since my PC is in pieces at the moment
About to visit it with Mr Dremel
safe shale
Oh so the WA doesn't actually work anymore?
open gazelle
I killed a lvl 72 rare elite after 10 mins… no loot
hot maple
Anyone been having some trouble with the last boss of nokhud offensive? His one-two in last phase is hitting me for a sweet sweet 600k after mitigations when he gets to about 5% on normal.
hollow token
Happened to me last night, too. But for me it was a one shot.
He and I died at the same time.
Don’t recall that happening to me on beta so I must not be doing something right…
hollow stump
why dont they have this ?
uneven mason
I killed a lvl 72 rare elite after 10 mins… no loot
LoL was it an animal?
mellow quartz
why dont they have this ?
I assume he prefers Enduring Alacrity since Wall loses some value if you don't use it on CD pretty much.
as I mentioned earlier wowhead guides are kinda for everyone so you would assume a lot of people reading and using them are not going to hit SW enough
modern brook
Iirc they've fixed the bug that made tracking the stacks super important
i believe they fixed TC consuming on 7 to no benefit, but its still worth tracking
open gazelle
Not it was a humanoid a najardin lava Viking looking dude
spring umbra
no maintenance?
open gazelle
What’s wrong with enduring alacrity?
mellow quartz
nothing
you have a finite number of points though
so its all abt what are you giving up for it
hollow token
First lesson in opportunity cost
sharp bone
if intimidating shout isnt needed, would you lot pick barbaric training or something else?
m+ setting ofc
mellow quartz
no talents are looked upon in a vacuum
mellow quartz
if intimidating shout isnt needed, would you lot pick barbaric training or somet...
no, to much rage cost
can see some builds in the pins
modern brook
if intimidating shout isnt needed, would you lot pick barbaric training or somet...
int shoud isnt needed, barb training is too heavy a burden on the rage gen post-bloodsurge nerfs
mellow quartz
int shout is a really nice stop though
dusky canopy
Many many times has int shout saved a pull when pugging
First instance that came to mind is Necrotic wake, stopping gorespatters
uneven mason
There are optimized talents and then there are "oh I'm carrying flippermonkies again" talents
strong forum
Flippermonkey here
dusky canopy
I’m sure it’s commonly stated but to state it again, the majority of people will want to use a general purpose build that covers defense, utility, and damage
uneven mason
Flippermonkey here
I know, that's why you're always getting carried by 4 other tanks
dusky canopy
And then theirs guys who rocked seismic all shadowlands because it was biggest damage
Oh shit @strong forum I just noticed the MO cast pin sicc!
pallid quiver
someone send help
i cannot stop trying to charge while mounted on my dragonriding mount.
i have charge on 2, same button as go up
send help
oak echo
that keeps throwing me off too lol especially since i have that action bar hidden
neon elk
someone send help
i cannot stop trying to charge while mounted on my dragonridi...
Just bind charge ibstead of "go up" as that is double jump on mount , no need for bind
oak echo
does that work while you're already mid-air too? guess i never tried
neon elk
Yes
pallid quiver
Just bind charge ibstead of "go up" as that is double jump on mount , no need fo...
i don't think im allowed to, since i already tried to swap the forward dash and go up and it told me to fuck off
agile elbow
someone send help
i cannot stop trying to charge while mounted on my dragonridi...
lmao i feel your pain my friend i do the same
uneven mason
Sounds like there is a bug
sand pebble
someone send help
i cannot stop trying to charge while mounted on my dragonridi...
I had same issue, i just moved go up to 3 and put charge macro on the dragon riding bar as 2 so i can charge from mounted
waxen cradle
Just have to cast a ability before you charge to kick you off the mount, and of course have auto dismount in combat clicked on
well dismount in flight when in combat basically
hollow token
Recommendations for a Prot Warrior streamer?
spiral compass
@hollow token tattman and nextback were top m+ in s4 prot warr
uneven mason
Recommendations for a Prot Warrior streamer?
Nomeratur,
Still waiting for that image to become a skyhold emoji @ionic fern
:Nomgusted:
:codex: alternatively
hollow token
Thanks all. I figured several were in the discord…
cinder nova
There's a fistful of them, aye.
dusky canopy
LOL this is the perfect emoji to put next to the check pins one
cinder nova
Serious question @ionic fern , what caused our weights to shift more towards Vers, or are the guide weights just "general purpose" and not "sweaty parse monkey"?
cinder nova
This is the priority in the WoWhead pinned guide
Strength
Haste
Versatility
Crit
Mastery
mellow quartz
vers or crit after haste is kinda 🤷♂️
it's not like omg you have your 2nd secondary stat as vers intead of crit, you are doing it all wrong
fierce field
crit will lean more dps, vers will lean more survival... but it's more of a guideline anyhow
mellow quartz
would probably go with vers myself over crit but I wouldn't really care much and only a question in the off chance you have 2 equal ilvl pieces both with haste and then vers or crit as the other secondary
just take whatever gear you have that sims highest unless you have a reason for doing something else
cinder nova
just take whatever gear you have that sims highest unless you have a reason for ...
I mean, yeah we know that, but if joe blow rolls on, sees Vers higher on prio - thye're gonna start targeting haste/vers gear.
If the actual prio is different, I fail to see the reason why it wouldn't be reflected on our pinned resources.
In fact, it's pretty different than what we're actually using.
Wowhead
STR >> Haste > Vers > Crit = Mast
Reality
STR >> Haste > Crit = Vers > Mast
uneven mason
Most people miss the fact that strength being first means ilvl beats everything
cinder nova
Hardly the point.
uneven mason
I mean the point is largely that there isn't a massive gap between stats
cinder nova
It isn't. The point is we have spec guides on high-traffic sites as a glut of FOTM are about to roll in and it's more or less wrong.
uneven mason
....if you think what stats they're pursuing is going to be the make or break
uneven mason
Gameplay>>>>>>stats
cinder nova
Dude, why are you trying to jump in front of obvious misinformation on our spec
Just being contentious for its own sake.
uneven mason
Then why bother having a stat prio at all?
For people who have gameplay and want to minmax further
cinder nova
I-... I know, it's a rhetorical question.
uneven mason
But it's not completely wrong is it
cinder nova
And then they minmax wrong 😂
minor helm
Is it truly minmaxing if you’re just going off stats
uneven mason
I mean you're not wrong, because the real minmaxers
cinder nova
So few players sim, and most that sim sim wrong because they're just using raidbot defaults for every fight and situation.
uneven mason
Will just sim
But sorry realized that your referencing lllarrdold guide so yeah
You're correct
minor helm
So few players sim, and most that sim sim wrong because they're just using raidb...
This doesn’t discredit sims
cinder nova
It doesn't, nobody is contesting simming.
But even the people that sim are probably not simming correctly.
uneven mason
I just sim the proper way and @ late or nomeratur
minor helm
I mean you can’t argue about minmaxing stats and just say well people sim wrong
That’s just moving the goalposts
craggy pilot
anyone know if quality matters in xp gain from lvling professions?
cinder nova
It doesn't. The entire point of bringing up in the first place was that the labeling was wrong unless for some reason Llarrold is putting it there for the absolute lowest common denominator for some reason.
craggy pilot
It doesn't. The entire point of bringing up in the first place was that the labe...
you answering me i guess?
cinder nova
No.
craggy pilot
ah ok 😄
cinder nova
👍
minor helm
Ok just saw the minmaxing statement as for llarold no clue
craggy pilot
does anyone know how the profession xp work? 🤔
uneven mason
It doesn't. The entire point of bringing up in the first place was that the labe...
Dude mains a monk...
minor helm
All I know is it supposedly caps at 700k total
cinder nova
Oh, uh... pretty sure you just keep crafting, mate.
past drum
does anyone know how the profession xp work? 🤔
First time craft get xp
craggy pilot
First time craft get xp
can i get the cap from just 1 profession?
past drum
U can hop if u want. U will lose ur skill ups and recipes but not knowledge spent
cinder nova
Dude mains a monk...
Wait I'm confused, why don't we get someone who actually mains to wrangle our pinned WoWhead guide, or is this beggars and choosers?
craggy pilot
i found spreadsheet from naowh
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bth13pxoGyI8Vckxd_uJG-WwtO11gexTgXnVFj5mtxM/htmlview?usp=sharing#
but he says you need 2 professions for it
uneven mason
Wait I'm confused, why don't we get someone who actually mains to wrangle our pi...
Wowhead can't afford mwahi or nom
cinder nova
I must be naïve, I seriously thought they were just voluntary.
I wasn't aware class guides were as well. I know their articles and update posts are paid writers.
uneven mason
Zam makes bank bro
cinder nova
Didn't know they freelance out for high profile class guides.
uneven mason
Or fanbyte or whatever they're calling themselves this week
ionic fern
This is the priority in the WoWhead pinned guide
It's a PoV of the guidewriter.
The 2 stats are so close together that it's up to the writer to pick one.
Vers is the more "defensive" choice due to mitigating all types of damage while also providing SOME damage itself.
Crit is the more "offensive" choice while also providing RNG defensive value.
Neither of them are a bad stat and both work as a solid second stat next to haste.
🤷
ionic fern
I wasn't aware *class guides* were as well. I know their articles and update pos...
Yes, guides are paid.
cinder nova
Be cheaper, Mwahi, we need people that know math at the helm, god dammit.
I had no earthly idea until today.
mellow quartz
Be cheaper, Mwahi, we need people that know math at the helm, god dammit.
It's not just math though, you don't always have 1 correct answer.
odd tree
Recommendations for a Prot Warrior streamer?
@patent osprey
i think he's playing prot this tier
also, did they just sneak that execute buff in, or was that on the list last week?
uneven mason
Tbh llaroldddd does a good job for people who don't come to this discord, it's more than enough to be a functional prot warrior and his suggestion leans towards the folks who pick up a shield and just need to know what end to have up
mellow quartz
indeed, if you have to go to a guide to get told what to play exactly and don't test yourself or seek out any other resources then wowhead and IV are more than fine for your usecase
they cannot cover any and all situations and fringe cases
uneven mason
It's not just math though, you don't always have 1 correct answer.
This is correct, because like if you're a nub who can't manage sb uptime mastery's value skyrockets
Defensively
agile pumice
Mastery build where we talent out of sb
mellow quartz
imagine SB being a talent though
agile pumice
Isn't the block chance contribution from mastery pretty low
I feel like it's even worse if you're not keeping sb up
uneven mason
Mastery build where we talent out of sb
Sadly they're wise to our shenanigans and the 2 roll system stops this
agile pumice
😔
uneven mason
And Dr
Although at one point in beta we were almost brm level of not pressing button because of the free IP
prisma crane
Isn't the block chance contribution from mastery pretty low
can't remember what it is now, but i remember back in legion when we had a few 100% mastery meme builds
back when crit block was an 88% block
uneven mason
Legion ahh glory days
prisma crane
was stupid, you could easily wipe your raid on Argus if you didnt turn around because you'd just never die to his slash
uneven mason
99.9999% mitigation
prisma crane
was fun AF though to mess around with those builds
uneven mason
Yes I remember those blocks
prisma crane
i do think end of Legion was way more 'fun' than BFA even though we were arguably 'better' in BFA
uneven mason
Soloing Aggramar's combo because you could use NF to assure a critical block on the 2nd round and use leap/charge to stop the knockback
prisma crane
yea
we used to play a game to see who could mitigate the highest raw damage number on that fight, couldnt use SW because it would reduce the number
i still think Cosmo held that record
had like a 130M block or something stupid
uneven mason
i do think end of Legion was way more 'fun' than BFA even though we were arguabl...
Prot was horribly painful in 8.0 , the good didn't start till 8.1
prisma crane
i referring exclusively to when Prot went meta
we were good, very good, but it wasnt as much fun as legion to me
uneven mason
had like a 130M block or something stupid
Iirc there was a 221m raw hit can't remember who posted it
prisma crane
yea maybe it was something like that, it was stupid lol, had to stack HP to make it work
tribal kernel
Sunder sunder sunder sunder cats!
prisma crane
that DBZ video is still awesome
uneven mason
My best parse on hc argus, I remember hitting the last phase being almost dead last and by the time he died I was 8% ahead of the next person
Just had to never get the bomb
And ignore spheres
terse hollow
How'd everyone's launch go?
tulip kelp
Good I grinded for 6 hours and got 61
uneven mason
How'd everyone's launch go?
I'll let you know when I've fixed this
lusty tiger
We’re very angry people around here
uneven mason
900$ in parts, motherboard is too chonky to fit my radiator in the case, so I literally cut a hole in it
lusty tiger
I'll let you know when I've fixed this
Fanless heat sink?
uneven mason
Fanless heat sink?
New build, the heat spreader above the CPU is a fat fuck so I can't get the fans
To fit
uneven mason
My buddy has been running the same one I grabbed for quit a while through multiple builds so not worried
last mason
Wouldnt have happened it you played on a laptop like me
lusty tiger
Tru
cobalt seal
Gear
lusty tiger
Compact and clean is what I hope the ladies say about me but not my computer
terse hollow
what shat should I be aiming with my gear?
Crafted gear is over priced and doesn't take much to make your own 366 is the highest I've been able to make so far
terse hollow
Sat at 358 overall ilvl, couldn't easily push passed that but still some improvements to make
The new crafting is fairly simple honestly
At least at this stage im sure you'll get it fine
lusty tiger
Better than my mythic raid gear
floral basin
@terse hollow can you send me what your gear looks like right now if you don"t mind 😄
terse hollow
<@170262706853642241> can you send me what your gear looks like right now if you...
Sure 1 sec
I cant find a single way to share my character while im not at my pc
floral basin
I have mining/herbalism I'll have to forget that I guess
terse hollow
Like I've got my character up but its entirely out of date :/
Still shows me at level 60
olive steeple
What’s the ilvl of the lowest quality crafted gear?
terse hollow
310 i think was the lowest I made
olive steeple
So that’s not much better than leveling gear?
terse hollow
So that’s not much better than leveling gear?
Exactly
terse hollow
to do your whole gear
I actually made a profit
floral basin
I only have 120k
terse hollow
Well lucky for you, like i, said i made money with blacksmithing not lost anything
floral basin
alright 😄
odd tree
People were buying 343 2handers for 20k this morning 😂
Damn, gotta get on tonight and cash in
terse hollow
even like armour pieces were going 5-10k
terse hollow
this can actually proc a bit higher than this, had someone offering like 50 for this but i wanted to use it
thats all i got for now
terse hollow
Damn, gotta get on tonight and cash in
343 helm just went
cost maybe 700 to make but its just a couple mining nodes
odd tree
Nice, went double gather at first, probably keep the ore and go engi/bs and just start flipping stuff
paper coral
I'm planning oj doing my dracthyr for gatherer. the extra perception shsould be nice
terse hollow
Does it make me a bad person if i jump in and out of uldum tryna get the dwarf trinket? 😂
proud patrol
is there going to be a weekly reset for m0 tomorrow?
terse hollow
I thought we didn't get m0 until the week after
proud patrol
i have no idea tbh, some1 in my guild just mentioned that he wants to do m0 before reset tomorrow which made little sense to me
terse hollow
Somethin about they want us to slow down and enjoy and it giving everyone a fair shot
I'm certain we won't have mythic tomorrow
proud patrol
that would be quite nice
mellow quartz
m0 opens tomorrow morning at usual reset
Already open for the US
terse hollow
Standard blizzard really
minor helm
terse hollow
Suggest somethin that actually makes sense then do the opposite 😂
odd tree
The idea was that they didn't want people getting sweaty last night after launch. Racing to get to 70 before reset today/tom
warm plinth
i have no idea tbh, some1 in my guild just mentioned that he wants to do m0 befo...
There is a weekly reset tomorrow (assuming EU; NA already had theirs) and M0 will open with that reset. M+/raid release at the same time on the 13th of December.
proud patrol
thanks !
craggy pilot
is M0 open now?
minor helm
For the burgie boys
craggy pilot
burgie boys?
minor helm
NA
craggy pilot
so for us its available tomorrow?
neon elk
Yea early in morning, unles maintenance
minor helm
If by us you mean EU no yours comes with ur reset
craggy pilot
and then M+ opens next week?
old sinew
Nope M+ opens week 3
gritty swallow
M+ opens with raid
old sinew
Right week 3 in 14 days
lyric elm
So we'll do m0 and crafting to gear meanwhile?
warm plinth
and WQs I imagine
warm plinth
https://www.wowhead.com/news/gearing-up-quickly-for-dragonflight-gear-item-levels-330192?webhook here you go, it's like they heard you
lyric elm
Rofl 31 seconds ago
No need to go ham, then. M0 aren't difficult
Gives sufficient ilvl
382 for the rare WQs
mellow quartz
7% haste in dungeons is fun.......
fallen flint
Im going to log in for the first time since release .. and im seriously in doubt .. go for DH or warrior.. or just go with priest or some other healer ? 🫣
eager schooner
:hmmNod:
craggy pilot
anyone can TLDR how profession specializations work?
can i only pick 1? can i eventually unlock all of them?
strong forum
Can eventually unlock all of them
tulip kelp
Can someone explain taunt to me? I was under impression from vanilla days taunt just temporarily puts you at top of threat table but you gotta build threat on top of it.. so no point taunting if you're already at the top of the threat table. Is that wrong?
odd tree
that's mostly right
i believe you also generate threat faster during the 6s
not so sure about the "threat table" part
lusty tiger
Can someone explain taunt to me? I was under impression from vanilla days taunt ...
this is wrong still
taunt used to give you the top value on the threat table
that means you needed to generate 10% of that guy's threat in the taunt time
which was the other part you mentioned (temporary aggro)
warm plinth
Yes, you generate more threat during the 3 seconds following Taunt. But it no longer puts you at the top of the threat table. It just guarantees you will have threat for those 3 seconds and gives you increased generation during that time.
tulip kelp
Ahh so there's increased generation.. how significant is that increased threat?
lusty tiger
A LOT
uneven mason
not so sure about the "threat table" part
Because threat is calculated and stored in a table per npc
warm plinth
I don't remember. It's significant to the point where it's very unlikely you'll lose threat again after the 3 seconds as long as you aren't just standing there looking dumb.
uneven mason
Ahh so there's increased generation.. how significant is that increased threat?
500% iirc
odd tree
Because threat is calculated and stored in a table per npc
i get that, just wasnt sure if it put you at the top
tulip kelp
The reason I'm asking is I normally saved taunt to react if I lost threat on something (stubborn ranged, etc) but it seems like its better to just blow taunt on pull even with big packs on M+?
uneven mason
It's not like old-school eq taunt
tulip kelp
Keep on CD, you mean save it? Or just use it on pull?
uneven mason
Where it put you on the top+1
tulip kelp
Got it.. okay will try that out
lusty tiger
huge threat
uneven mason
I mean we shouldn't have to press taunt atall
tulip kelp
Yeah I do that as well
lusty tiger
I mean we shouldn't have to press taunt atall
strays exists outside a vacuum
tulip kelp
But I usually wait until I see I'm getting close to losing it on strays, then I'll taunt + heroic throw
odd tree
s2 i tanked next to this shitty pally a couple times who barely pressed buttons. soon as taunt would end i'd rip threat
tulip kelp
Seems like its better to just do that proactively tho
uneven mason
strays exists outside a vacuum
Yeah but for stuff outside melee
odd tree
had to explain to him that he actually needs to generate threat during that taunt window or i just take agroe back
lusty tiger
dps are greedy and people are troll
tulip kelp
Also.. is TC more damage then Revenge? Like assuming too much rage should I be spending globals on TC or Revenge?
lusty tiger
it is mob count dependant
ocean finch
Wait we wanna play with ITF and not HR in M+?
tulip kelp
When does TC become better? >5?
lusty tiger
something like:
5 or less:
SS > UF TC > revenge > TC
more than 5: with high rage
UF TC > revenge > TC > SS
@strong forum pls confirm
odd tree
or i've seen tanks in m+ use it to pull a mob that they never actually got hit with an attack, so they immediately snap to one of the dps once they start aoe'ing
ocean finch
something like:
5 or less:
SS > UF TC > revenge > TC
more than 5: with high ra...
UF TC?
tulip kelp
Yeah I've definitely been prioritizing TC during Avatar over Revenge.. mainly curious outside of Avatar windows
lusty tiger
when you have unstoppable force and are in avatar: that thunderclap @ocean finch
tulip kelp
Lot of times I have too much rage so been prioritizing revenge (even without procs) over TC if rend is up, just wanted to make sure
strong forum
something like:
5 or less:
SS > UF TC > revenge > TC
more than 5: with high ra...
Pmuch
sick sentinel
you guy enjoyed leveling up and playing warrior at 70
i did almost 1 level on it so far, probably get there by end of week at best
craggy pilot
do we play Vigor or The Wall? 🤔
odd tree
Lot of times I have too much rage so been prioritizing revenge (even without pro...
if you're close to capping rage burn it with IP
craggy pilot
Wowhead saying Vigor, and 
saying The Wall 🤔
odd tree
off the gcd, helps fuel the rage loop
warm plinth
Wouldn't you still press thunder clap on CD though? It's not a press tc instead of revenge scenario typically since tc has a cooldown and revenge doesn't. Plus TC generates rage and there's not really any such thing as too much rage since we have an off gcd spender
lusty tiger
if you can revenge and are outside of UF avatar you should revenge
tulip kelp
Yeah thats why I was wondering what the damage priority was.. because if I have the rage and Revenge does more damage I'm not pressing TC on CD
craggy pilot
if you can revenge and are outside of UF avatar you should revenge
more TC = more avatar though
craggy pilot
Anger Management
lusty tiger
mhm
craggy pilot
more rage = more avatar
lusty tiger
u have to spend it too
craggy pilot
you have IP which has 0 CD
lusty tiger
and ip does no damage
warm plinth
Both wowhead and icyveins put tc higher in the priority than revenge so it's interesting to see the opposite stated here
tulip kelp
I thought no point pressing IP if its up already and you're building it with damage?
craggy pilot
and ip does no damage
still more IP = more avatar = harder hitting TC
lusty tiger
because it's easier as a noob to not have to decide
minor helm
I thought no point pressing IP if its up already and you're building it with dam...
IP is only for not capping rage
craggy pilot
I thought no point pressing IP if its up already and you're building it with dam...
you can still press it for CDR with AM
so you avoid overcap
warm plinth
You're getting rage from tc. It's not just damage. More rage is more of a feedback loop because you get avatar back faster which equates to more damage.
minor helm
Pls do not be mad at IP for not doing damage me a lowly arms would love to have it
tulip kelp
IP is only for not capping rage
Yep understand.. I'm asking purely from feeling global capped and wondering what button priority should be assuming tons of rage for max damage
modern brook
Both wowhead and icyveins put tc higher in the priority than revenge so it's int...
Its worth clarifying that "with high rage" rider is there
warm plinth
That was not there originally
lusty tiger
you need to use the cranium to decide the button to press
tulip kelp
Yeah thats why I'm here asking haha
warm plinth
And at high rage why wouldn't I just press IP and tc
lusty tiger
ip does no dam
that is cringe
sometimes i have to prio SS in 6+ mobs because i ip spammed all my rage away
tulip kelp
Assuming not rage starved, no avatar, 5+... do I prioritize globals into revenge or am I still using TC on CD
lusty tiger
that is BAD
warm plinth
Tc does and I can press IP at the same time to get cdr. It's not like you aren't pressing revenge the next global anywah
Anyway *
modern brook
I think were over thinking the impact of specific globals in corner cases here
warm plinth
The thing is it wasn't and isn't being stated as a corner case
It's being stated as general gameplay
modern brook
The general game play is build rage ans then spend it without capping
ocean finch
Do we need to finish the campaign? I just hit lvl 70 and have 3/4 chapters left...
minor helm
Just do the main quests
warm plinth
Do we need to finish the campaign? I just hit lvl 70 and have 3/4 chapters left....
I don't know if you need to finish it now but I can virtually guarantee you will need it completed at some point.
lusty tiger
Assuming not rage starved, no avatar, 5+... do I prioritize globals into revenge...
depends on rend timers
and your outburst
you will want to spend tc on outburst or tc for rend application
but unless youre getting lucky BnT ticks youll need to SS eventually
minor helm
Is it even worth tracking rend as prot?
Aren’t you pressing tc often enough it doesn’t matter
odd tree
i miss IP as well @minor helm , going to be weird raiding without it
minor helm
Ok true I guess
brisk vector
Which rep should we go for warrior tanks?
severe hatch
Does not matter
brisk vector
thanks
tender cove
Yes, you generate more threat during the **3** seconds following Taunt. But it ...
Pretty sure this is very wrong.
How would you get back threat after dying in raid for example? It 100% puts you top of threat table.
And spam taunting? It will make bosses taunt immune. Not a great strategy.
wtf, world server still down? epic blizz epic...
ionic fern
Pretty sure this is very wrong.
Taunting..
-It forces the mob to attack the player who taunted it, for 3 seconds.
-It grants the player who taunted it an amount of threat equal to that of the player who had aggro on the mob at the time of the taunt.
-It increases the threat generation of the taunting player for the same 3-second duration.
tender cove
Taunting..
-It forces the mob to attack the player who taunted it, for 3 seconds...
Works like I thought and said. Epic memory 😄
patent urchin
not exactly, it doesn't put you at the top of the table, it sets your threat to value of whoever was tanking (if it was higher), but there might be other players who have more threat (ie. a mage) and not have agro
mighty valley
with the increased threat, if you do basically ANYTHING, you should really build a solid lead. but you can't always just fire off a taunt and go back to a prio target or whatever
tender cove
not exactly, it doesn't put you at the top of the table, it sets your threat to ...
What? The wording is that its equal to whoever has aggro, and whoever has aggro is the highest off the threat table?
So it puts you at the top?
Or well, identical but still for every intents and purposes, at top.
patent urchin
no, a mage can have 125% threat of the current tank, if you taunt you won't have the mage's threat and won't be at the 'top' (mage can be any dps)
the mob will still wail on you for several reasons, but not because you're at the top
sharp bone
sabellian or wrathion?
mortal brook
Cosmetic differences. But you can only be friend with sabellian but Best friend with wrathion
Eventually you'll get both
tender cove
no, a mage can have 125% threat of the current tank, if you taunt you won't have...
Interesting. I knew there was a range for actually pulling threat. Still, this is not a real world scenario that will ever happen.
Maybe the first 2-3 seconds off a pull? But even that is stretching it
People are saying in lookingforgroup that you need to disable your authenticator and the lag will stop?
Any truth to this? Why would that affect lag?
mighty valley
iirc it's 110% to pull threat as melee and 130% as ranged?
dull saddle
Is there an aura that checks if you are not in protection stance specifically when you have something aggrod on you? I know something like this exists: https://wago.io/Ez9yJIcAV but I am looking for something that won't annoy me when stance dancing properly
floral basin
is it not working?
can't see anything in my details
oh nvm
its just so low
150k whole dungeon
tender cove
is it not working?
may i ask how long it took you 60 to 70?
tender cove
ohh, thats pretty nice to hear 😄
weary notch
so that 30% execute buff is pretty substantial. I doubt it changes our talent picks, but would that make Execute worth using now?
mighty valley
Hard to tell without sims but I still doubt it's worth prioritizing over keeping tier set bonus up
Nice for SD procs and set us up a little better for future patches
weary notch
I'd taken it off my bars but I guess I need a spot for it now
cinder nova
Is there a reason my camera keeps sticking in weird directions?
I'll come off my mount and turn to move and it'll be in front of me instead of behind.
uneven mason
Dtagonriding
lusty tiger
Dragon deez
unique loom
How's war feeling since release with increased level?
Haven't been able to play yey
Yet*
sick sentinel
hard for me to get into the game right now, probably takea few days before i come around to it
uneven mason
Okay so that's... a bug?
Yeah dragonriding has been an endless source of control problems
weary notch
it feels pretty similar. You just have all the abilites at once now. And haste is really low as a fresh 70
uneven mason
How's war feeling since release with increased level?
Brick
ionic fern
it feels pretty similar. You just have all the abilites at once now. And haste i...
20%, sup?
weary notch
with ITF?
fierce field
i'm at 69 and 10.5% haste... feels so bad
weary notch
we do more damage than I expected, though
bold wave
what happened to shieldcharge GCD?
tulip kelp
Did you find it? haha
slim dove
whats up with recrafting? the bar moves, but nothing happens, no regents get used
tender cove
Wow just wow... could my isp have worse maintaince timing than this???? Until 6 am, dafuq...
How much traffic does wow run per hour? Can i just hotspot my phone? Only get 15gb per month
crude notch
not having unlimited data in 2022. susge
tender cove
Dont think ive ever used above 10gb and its 25 euro diff per month.
noble wind
Do we use rend?
drifting fable
nope, blood and thunder makes thunder clap apply it
noble wind
Stupid question then, but why do the guides then suggest that we talent into rend?
drifting fable
you need to have rend at least
for blood and thunder to apply rend
but you dont need to put the actual ability on your bars
noble wind
Got ya
marsh stone
Kia ora! Any theorycrafting on Defender's Aegis vs Impenetrable Wall?
Or am I reading old data?
mighty valley
Wall seems a million times better
Aegis was just a low-effort replacement talent for the busted party shield wall talent we used to have in beta
marsh stone
Ah I was about to ask about that, thank you muchly 🙂
keen acorn
anyone prioritising a craft for prot warr?
loud patrol
alchemy so i can grab buffs
heavy temple
anyone prioritising a craft for prot warr?
I'd like to 2nd this. Any specific work order which would be optimal to get?
tender cove
is there any value in doing the Sojourner of each zone?
tender cove
Aegis was just a low-effort replacement talent for the busted party shield wall ...
It was also the 4set tier in cataclysm. So not sure why it would be so hard to implement.
mighty valley
copy-pasting some scripting from over ten years ago never goes as easily as you'd hope in game development lmao
craggy pilot
copy-pasting some scripting from over ten years ago never goes as easily as you'...
lulwut?
mighty valley
i'm saying that just because something was in the game forever ago doesn't mean it's trivial to implement now
anyway that's not why they made defender's aegis, it really seems like they were just done with working on warrior talent trees and had other priorities so removed the busted one in favor of a talent no one would care about
craggy pilot
ah that was the comment you reacted to 😄
thought you found something where blizz fucked up because they tried to ipmlement som old code
warm plinth
How much traffic does wow run per hour? Can i just hotspot my phone? Only get 15...
WoW uses very very very little data. 15GB could run WoW for like months probably.
heavy temple
is there any value in doing the Sojourner of each zone?
Depends on what you define as "value"
I guess you mean player power due to this being a spec channel. In that case, I don't think so (that is the answer I came up with after asking myself this question on monday :D)
To my knowledge you barely get normal mode ilvl, with renown 25
And renown 25 should be significantly more rep than what a "normal" rep in e.g. SL would require, while world quest should be more sparse due to the biweekly lockouts
If I posted BS, pls someone let me know
thats from the DF goole doc
sacred cradle
Is Ignore Pain undertuned?
got 184k max hp at lvl 68 and it only gives about 16k max hp shield per 35 rage, seems kinda low
marsh stone
WoW uses very very very little data. 15GB could run WoW for like months probabl...
Yeah it's more the updates around this time of the game release that would chew through it
Oh I see it's a temp hotspot. Should be sweet
warm plinth
got 184k max hp at lvl 68 and it only gives about 16k max hp shield per 35 rage,...
scales based on vers/ap, caps at 30% of your health, that's about 8.6% of your health per cast and you cast a lot of Ignore Pain (like 10-15 casts per minute probably). Seems fine to me
sacred cradle
Aight thanks
lilac bloom
whas the minimum ilvel to do normal dungeons on df?
tender cove
WoW uses very very very little data. 15GB could run WoW for like months probabl...
someone told me its 36mb per hour. So not a lot no 😄
tender cove
Oh I see it's a temp hotspot. Should be sweet
Ye, worked brilliant, 5g with 150mbit connection on phone. Had double ms but i survived 😛
tender cove
I guess you mean player power due to this being a spec channel. In that case, I ...
Yeh, meant player power or at least something "useful".
worthy bear
Hi all !
I would like to know the best profession for prot warrior?
It's for MM+ and Raid MM progress!
Thank you all and good game
coarse grotto
anyway to add shield charge and charge into 1 macro, so if shield charge is not ready it'll use charge?
warm plinth
anyway to add shield charge and charge into 1 macro, so if shield charge is not ...
So afaik, if you did e.g.
#showtooltip
/cast Shield Charge
/cast Charge
It'll cast both if both are available and you're NOT in melee range
It'll cast Shield Charge if Shield Charge or both are ready and you ARE in melee range
It'll cast Charge if Charge or both are ready and you're NOT in melee range.
coarse grotto
ah that was easy.. thanks
tender cove
Didnt they put shield charge on the gcd?
mighty valley
only in melee range
tender cove
fair enough
warm plinth
And in any case, Charge is not on the GCD so it would still cast both no problem unless you were mid-global
pallid quiver
We're not fast enough to make running out and charging back in viable, by the way
So it's not reprisal levels
warm plinth
Even if you heroic leap and charge for style points? 😮
loud patrol
hmm i think i can do a m0 at 330
clever summit
easily
mighty valley
in SL m0s were very easy with zero-effort leveling gear
assuming you like, avoided mechanics that could kill you
tender cove
eu back up again
spark cedar
I am feeling overwhelmed by buttons available to me and lacking hotkeys for them. Are there any macros you would suggest like the one above casting charge or shirld charge using the same button?
loud patrol
meanwhile i have a button for fishing
chrome falcon
I am feeling overwhelmed by buttons available to me and lacking hotkeys for them...
Nope, there really aren't any macros for that sort of thing
Class has a lotta button
spark cedar
Then i need to rethink hotkeys i guess, currently using alt and shift as modifiers but it gets clunky with movement
warm plinth
I am feeling overwhelmed by buttons available to me and lacking hotkeys for them...
LG G600 will change your life
mellow quartz
almost forgot how annoying it is not having dungeon ports
having to fly all over is sad
warm plinth
Just don't ever buy it from LG
warm plinth
I had to replace mine not too long ago and 5 weeks after ordering it from LG's website, they still hadn't shipped it. Cancelled the order, ordered from Amazon, got it 2 days later
tender cove
Then i need to rethink hotkeys i guess, currently using alt and shift as modifie...
I recently bought an mmo mouse with 9 buttons, one of the best decisions for wow ever. Its just hard to describe the difference, not only in added keys but how easily and effortless you can play them. Honestly feels mandatory now.
I could never go back xD
spark cedar
Ah damn, i dislike the bulky 12 button mouses 
fierce field
i can't handle more than 4 buttons on the side
spark cedar
Same
fierce field
I have a Logitech G700... works very well for me, buttons feel distinct. beyond that it gets too much
tender cove
Ah damn, i dislike the bulky 12 button mouses <:pepsihands:589678101446000670>
i gambled on an offbrand that has 9 vs 12 for the naga and it also has removable palm grip if you want palm or claw grip.
for the same reason and its very nice
warm plinth
Ah damn, i dislike the bulky 12 button mouses <:pepsihands:589678101446000670>
The G600 is not very big in my opinion. And the buttons are very well designed so it's easy to know what button you're pressing
spark cedar
Ty for everyones suggestions btw 🙂
keen spruce
Prot is immortal boys. Living the warrior dream so far