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blazing condor
strong forum
i misremembered when we last talked about so i went back and checked
its multiplicative
round delta
but i never played ""tryhard"" i did my first mithyc dungeon in shadowlands lmao xD
so i never studied the class indeed
like i'm doing now
modern brook
So i just learned today that wowhead doesnt show the block value on shields.
blazing condor
strong forum
its 2x the armor
blazing condor
weird
strong forum
block value on shield is literally always 2x the armor on the shield
modern brook
block value on shield is literally always 2x the armor on the shield
yeah i just didnt know it wasnt in wowhead
strong forum
unless that changed for DF*
strong forum
tyranny
sweet summit
real lore...
modern brook
I forgot K value :^)
minor helm
noble lynx
Bunch of boomers here
blazing condor
cus im not in that server
sweet summit
Block / (Block + K)
blazing condor
😎
modern brook
do we know the new k value?
sweet summit
Level 70 M0/M+: 12824.94 (ExpectedStatModID: 216; ArmorConstMod: 1.09)
Vault of the Incarnates LFR: 13083.792 (ExpectedStatModID: 212; ArmorConstMod: 1.112)
Vault of the Incarnates Normal: 14025.072 (ExpectedStatModID: 213; ArmorConstMod: 1.192)
Vault of the Incarnates Heroic: 15084.012 (ExpectedStatModID: 214; ArmorConstMod: 1.282)
Vault of the Incarnates Mythic: 16284.144 (ExpectedStatModID: 215; ArmorConstMod: 1.384)```You had that too fast
sweet summit
sorry
minor helm
It’s ok
noble lynx
Im still yet to understand what the k value is cause people always try to explain it in some weird way instead of just telling me the math of it
modern brook
delete it and post it again in 6 minutes plz
modern brook
Im still yet to understand what the k value is cause people always try to explai...
its just the number that keeps passive mit from being stupid
sweet summit
Im still yet to understand what the k value is cause people always try to explai...
keeping tank DR in check so they're not unkillable after a new patch
noble lynx
its just the number that keeps passive mit from being stupid
Yep exactly like this
sweet summit
u don't rly need to know what they are and shit
blazing condor
y = kx + m --> k = (y-m)/x
strong forum
all it means is
you take more physical dmg in mythic raid than anywhere else
and it prevents from tanks becoming close to immune to physical dmg throughout an expansion
round delta
Little cuestion; i know that "BiS" is a relative concept but, i usually like to configure my BiS addon to track items. There is some guide about DF bises?
sweet summit
best thing you can do is ilvl defensively
and use raidbots for damage
blazing condor
main stat is really most that matters
round delta
ilvl>haste>versa?
blazing condor
ye
modern brook
I was off - a ~420ish ilvl shield will give around 42% DR on its own
in a mythic raid
fierce field
I know we don't have breakpoints like we used to but 30% haste is my target for feels good.. then looking for vers/crit
modern brook
more in m+
sweet summit
idk what relative ilvl that is but sounds good
modern brook
424 is max
strong forum
around 30-35% is the feel good haste levels
a 389 shield is already 50% DR in m+ btw
modern brook
^ The greater point of "please use shield block :^)" stands yeah
oak echo
is that actually achievable this early? i feel like in SL at least you didn't hit that until like season 3, maybe top end season 2
strong forum
a normal raid ilvl shield will already give you critblock cap in mythic raid
sweet summit
lol
strong forum
is that actually achievable this early? i feel like in SL at least you didn't hi...
after the gem nerfs on beta, not so sure anymore
strong forum
a normal raid ilvl shield will already give you critblock cap in mythic raid
when in SL, you didnt even reach critblock cap with a mythic ilvl shield btw
🙂
fierce field
Does the diminishing returns on stats come before or after talents?
sweet summit
talents are % so nothing DRs from that
oak echo
it's based on rating from gear
strong forum
%gains arent subject to DRs
fierce field
ok, that's what I thought, probably didn't word my question right.
strong forum
you did, but it needs to be specified regardless
hidden juniper
Excuse me but can anyone explain what DR means ?
strong forum
diminishing return
the more you get of stat X the less gain you get from stat X on a per point basis
modern brook
Excuse me but can anyone explain what DR means ?
it can also mean Damage reduction depending on context
fierce field
yeah, I typed it out so as not to confuse it with the damage reduction we were talking about as well 😄
hidden juniper
Depending on context then, got it 😄
strong forum
the game doesnt tell you this, but when you reach 30% of a stat (from stats) any subsequent gain of that stat is reduced by 10%
to put it into SL terms
fierce field
I get overwhelmed by all the acronyms and initialism. I needs me a cheat sheet
strong forum
if you have 990 haste, any haste gained from 990->1320 is reduced by 10%, for every 10 haste youd equip youd in reality only get 9 haste
strong forum
at 1320 -> 1650 its reduced by 20%, so for every 10 haste you equip its only 8 you gain
fierce field
It's like tax brackets...
hidden juniper
Thanks for the explanation Nomeratur, very cool from you to give such insights
strong forum
in DF those numbers will obv rise as you need more haste to get 1%
tropic linden
This also aplly to stuns. The more u stun a mob, the less time it stays stunned
fierce field
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/glossary-terms
I have a note card that I use. I'm mostly caught up, but thank you 🙂
tropic linden
That's why AOE stuns can sometimes do more harm than good
strong forum
stuns follow a different rule where every subsequent stun reduces the stun effect by 50% for 18 seconds
with the 3rd one making the target stun immune for 18seconds
sand mason
How much of the quest line do I have to do? Id prefer to dungeon spam as much as possible
oak echo
you have to do the full campaign once
strong forum
until level 60 you can dungeon spam, but for level 70 you need to do the campaign once fully
sand mason
Pain
fierce field
it's like 6-10 hours and then you never need to do it again (until the next patch)
jagged pier
10 are u joking?
if it takes someone 10 hour ill be suprised from what ive been told
modern brook
I'm just excited to find out who's master plan the jailers master plan was apart of
sick sentinel
More people will take 10+ than Sub 8.
fierce field
I like to take things slow, explore the world around me.
past drum
6-10 is the range ive heard all over.
fierce field
I also run around and collect all the mining nodes along the way, my wife does the same with the plant nodes
crude notch
Your bubble living mindset is so annoying sometimes Jake
past drum
10 is prob all cutscenes, wondering etc
crude notch
A majority of the playerbase will take 10+
past drum
ye
jagged pier
literally everyone ive spoken to who has tested not to rush just to test lvling
crude notch
Okay?
jagged pier
have told me it took them 6ish hours
crude notch
okay?
past drum
my info might be a bit dated. ik there was reoginizing of xp early in beta, havent heard much sincde
crude notch
Took Growl 8 hours last night and he was using a leveling guide.
People level at different paces
modern brook
I mean the only people who will care how long the campaign will take are the people thay are trying to rip the bandaid off in the first place
past drum
ye screw lvling. least fav part of games most of the time. (beyond 1st time)
crude notch
Just like every other expansion before this one, there will be large variances in leveling speed.
strong forum
pretty sure growl was also ultra slacking
cuz like
even without a guide it took me 3hrs to 67
crude notch
Ok?
oak echo
he was also testing out like 5 different guides lol
the point being. who cares how long it takes
go at your pace
strong forum
pmuch
oak echo
if you wanna zoom, zoom and you'll be done in 4-6
crude notch
Do people really have that hard of a time conceptualising there's more than just the 1%?
sweet summit
m0s don't open til weekly reset anyway
oak echo
if you wanna see everything, take the whole damn 2 weeks if you want
modern brook
Do people really have that hard of a time conceptualising there's more than just...
I bet I can make leveling last 2 years if I tried
fierce field
i also read the quests and don't skip the cutscenes the first time around 🙂
modern brook
Also there's a huge difference in time to 70 and time to campaign completion
crude notch
Yeah, it's not huge.
modern brook
not rly
I will head down run through the campaign as fast as possible
And figure out what to do from there if I'm not 70
modern brook
And from 67.5 to 70 I'll be allowed to enjoy the game
sweet summit
there are lots of bonus objectives and easy access side quests along the way
crude notch
Just do dragonriding to 70, 
fossil sigil
any chance of dungeons being good exp
sweet summit
slower than questing
digital wing
slower than questing
Not the way I quest.
sweet summit
unlucky...
oak echo
do we know if any of the dungeons are required as part of the campaign? i forget if they were in SL but i vaguely remember you could just skip them and move to the next zone
toxic pewter
Not required
digital wing
unlucky...
Eh, im just back to help my friend with some M+ and play the story so it's chill.
oak echo
gotcha
torn gulch
i've done 2 leveling runs first was 7h second was a 5.5h slightly optimised
8-10h will be the norm most likely
modern brook
do we know if any of the dungeons are required as part of the campaign? i forget...
generally the campaign led up to dungeons and there was a non-progression quest related to the dungeon
torn gulch
you don't need top touch dungeons to progress the campaign
toxic pewter
I’m gonna fly around get all the glyphs as soon as possible
modern brook
i've done 2 leveling runs first was 7h second was a 5.5h slightly optimised
i literally parsed this as "7 handed" for a second and i was like "oh hell yeah arms stonks rising"
acoustic grotto
A friend doing a leveling test on beta with no skip cutscene and read quest and it take him around 8h to lvl 70
blazing condor
i literally parsed this as "7 handed" for a second and i was like "oh hell yeah ...
octopus race required
modern brook
and they still get a sheild pogpogpog
fierce field
If I had 8 hands I could possibly play brewmaster as it was intended to be played
mellow quartz
if you dont do side quests you lose out on rep you will have to go back and get later
you need rep to level professions afaik
torn gulch
there are only some recipes on renown
acoustic grotto
anyway, no real content is available since the first reset, next week, so the leveling will be more chill than before
mellow quartz
you can only get recipes up to 50 from the vendor right?
so have to get it from other sources to get to 100
torn gulch
yes but you don;t need to go furious on renown
mellow quartz
sure, but you don't need to go furious on xp either 🙂
torn gulch
fair enough
mellow quartz
do you rather wanna do side quests and get xp and rep or just get xp and go back and do those side quests and only get rep 🤷♂️
fierce field
don't need to go furious on anything, I'm also not even close to being in the world first race 🙂
modern brook
I would rather not do the side quest, not get rep, not do professions
torn gulch
do you rather wanna do side quests and get xp and rep or just get xp and go back...
i mean my route has 2.5 levels of side quests anyway
especially in azure span
mellow quartz
I just want alchemy for phial duration and engi
besides that not going to interact with it much
I want engi bracers with battle res tinker slot and I want that failure detection pylon for keys
spring umbra
I've never really been big on eng for m+, is there an easy way to spot corpses since the brez is melee range?
jagged pier
u use the player frame
spring umbra
rgr
sounds like bracers might be a bit of a slog given that the recipes are discoverable through making goggles/guns...will have to see how low the chance is
modern brook
My stance on engie brez has always been if you're in a pull where the tank can stop everything to channel a brez for you
you shouldnt have died
mellow quartz
'shouldn't have died' won't save the key
spring umbra
yea im kinda curious about other tinker contenders too. I'll be alch/eng so might not need invis or brez considering paly has it now too
mellow quartz
healer might have died to a burst moment but then afterwards everything is fine and you can brez if needed
modern brook
healer not being prepared for a burst is a healer problem
past drum
its ur problem after they die
modern brook
🤷♂️
spring umbra
pugging is a constant game of compensating for the pug affix
median tulip
Huh. Making new weakauras for DF; our current stances are not, in fact, stances as the game thinks of the term. They are just buff auras.
modern brook
Huh. Making new weakauras for DF; our current stances are not, in fact, stances ...
that wont cause any confusion down the line :^)
fierce field
I tend to run with a warlock, I only use my brez if the lock dies for some reason, otherwise it's their job 😄
spring umbra
alternative tinkers would be a 60 yard dash or flame cone aoe, not sure if either would work in m+
the dps option i imagine wouldnt be worth the global
cone fire dmg over a 6 second period. ... unless its off gcd
modern brook
usually they're off gcd and count as a potion
idk how new alchemy professions works though
spring umbra
this sounds like it could be pretty insane for mobility
considering the fact that anyone can equip eng wrists with one tinker slot... pretty much anyone can have invis or brez with a base fail rate
oak echo
anyway, no real content is available since the first reset, next week, so the le...
just to clarify because there are different definitions of next week, the first reset is tomorrow in case this was read or meant as 8 days from now lol
same timeline as SL launch
mellow quartz
depends on your region but 'this week' indeed 🙂
oak echo
true true
fierce field
basically they didn't want to make people feel they needed to grind out to 70 tonight or they would "miss out".
oak echo
right
finite sundial
I assume it is the same, right?
lofty widget
m0 opens with the first weekly reset, whenever that may be for you
junior trench
Mighta missed it. Did anyone put together a list of stuff we can spell reflect for the new dungeons
eager schooner
was changed after the rage nerfs iirc
craggy pilot
i guess ill just swap Pain and Gain to Barbaric Training
craggy pilot
was changed after the rage nerfs iirc
so its not worth anymore?
bold turret
Is there an ideal leveling spec set out? Can’t imagine needing some of defensive options in the mythic plus trees in the pins if your geared.
ocean bloom
correct, it scuffs your rotation
craggy pilot
correct, it scuffs your rotation
how so?
ocean bloom
makes rev cost too much
oak echo
once we get to a point where we're flooded with rage again, it'll be more worth, but right now it can make it so you end up with empty globals just from not getting enough rage, especially in low target counts
mellow quartz
you no longer have banner which did 25% of your rage gen
craggy pilot
once we get to a point where we're flooded with rage again, it'll be more worth,...
empty globals sounds nice tho
less carpal tunnel
mellow quartz
less SS procs
lyric geode
less SS procs
exactly
oak echo
when we had to constantly spend rage to prevent overcapping it was a no brainer, but not so much right now 😛
craggy pilot
well in M+ we have a lot of rage with Bloodsurge no?
mellow quartz
not enough
hollow flower
it got nerfed and doesnt proc as often as it used to
craggy pilot
ah riperino
Barbaric Training should somehow make Revenge proc more SS
or Strategist should be based on rage spent like the talent in Arms
toxic pewter
gonna be popping my toxic phials and potions all day
who with me
the toxic crit phial gives like 7% crit
LOL
so badass
mellow quartz
Barbaric Training should somehow make Revenge proc more SS
had abt 14.3 rage/s in this AA and 12.5 rage/s in this smbg
with 30'ish % haste
adjusted for time in combat
spring umbra
the toxic crit phial gives like 7% crit
I hope those are competitive after the -50% penalty you earn comes into play. Haven't really looked into them much but it sounds like a nice concept
toxic pewter
with the 50% thing I think it will be fine
ignore pain absorbs a lot of it
i tested it too absiorbs work
but it cannot be dispelled
or anything
its 25% of ur health over 15 sec, 3 sec ticks
they nerfed it from 100% of ur health
spring umbra
what do they share cd with?
toxic pewter
thats the phial
spring umbra
ahh
toxic pewter
it is really, really strong
and the toxic health pot is really really strong too
its like 65% if ur max hp potion
its actually insane
somber shell
sounds fun
toxic pewter
and the toxic defense phial is strong too
6% less dam taken over 50% health, 3% more taken below 50% health
spring umbra
nice
toxic pewter
(that 3% includes the 50% decayolgy, but tooltips and crap do nto show it)
which is annoyng
hasty field
Are we gonna use any of these?
hasty field
Gotcha
mellow quartz
the dps toxic phial is 7%CRIT
Not sure that is more dps in a key vs glacial fury
outer thorn
m+ opens december 14 in EU, correct?
lyric geode
What is like to lose? To feel so desperate to be right, yet to fail nonetheless.
past drum
m+ opens december 14 in EU, correct?
ye
lyric geode
It is frightening, turn your legs to jelly.
To ask you to what end? Dread it, run from it, destiny arrives all the same.
And now it is here, or should I say. I am.
lyric geode
(snap) deletes all Shadowlands. -Happy ending Thanos.
lyric elm
It was just a bad dream
Sadly it will be quickly referenced in the DF story but nothing important
toxic pewter
Not sure that is more dps in a key vs glacial fury
glacial fury got nerfed pretty hard
Id rather have 6-7% crit than glacial fury
the toxic downsides are not that bad tbh
upsides def outweigh them
lyric geode
It was just a bad dream
N'zoth is playing with our minds.
Are we becoming insane? Jailer? Good Sylvanas? What kind of dream is that?
coral marsh
morals are subjective
lyric geode
Exactly, I wouldnt be suprised if someone woke us.
split tusk
N'zoth is playing with our minds.
If shadowlands never happens it means Arthas is still around >.>
lyric geode
Woke us like johnny silverhand.
-Wake the fuck up samurai, we have a boss to defeat.
lyric geode
If shadowlands never happens it means Arthas is still around >.>
Dont give blizzard ideas. I am glad they didnt milk arthas.
At least, I am greatful about that
coral marsh
dont really understand the hate on the jailer, i mean free will is an illusion anyways so why not make it up to that dude xd
outer thorn
Adrenalin voting like its germany -33
old sinew
I liked Shadowlands overall, even if I thought 9.1 was cringe and the Zovaal/Sylvanas stuff was awful
split tusk
Dont give blizzard ideas. I am glad they didnt milk arthas.
I did not like the way they dismissed him imho. But I understand not wanting to milk him.
minor helm
They should have made him hotter
outer thorn
I had a lot of fun running keys with friends and thats what its all about in the end for me, I lost track of the story sometime in cata
lyric geode
I am going to listen some Victoria 3 lofi music. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkbyzbKkrxc&t=618s
Until release
split tusk
I had a lot of fun running keys with friends and thats what its all about in the...
Crushing dungeons is always fun
ZUG ZUG
coral marsh
people disliked the jailer because of the free will situation or not?
old sinew
ending arthas's involvement in the franchise going forward is fine. It's the way they did it. Danuser simping for Sylvanas and having him tell us, through her, that we should "forget Arthas" is fucking cringe.
lyric geode
people disliked the jailer because of the free will situation or not?
Because it is a lame villain
old sinew
Telling us to forget Arthas right before Wrath Classic came out is a hilariously bad joke, the right hand and the left hand not talking at all
old sinew
Arthas >>> anything Danuser shit out of his ass
split tusk
T_T
old sinew
Metzen Lore > Afrasabi Lore >>> Danuser lore. Too bad Afrasabi had to be such a creep
coral marsh
i mean did you really prefer jesus thrall?
split tusk
i mean did you really prefer jesus thrall?
Thrall just feels like he is slowly losing his will to live lmao
old sinew
i mean did you really prefer jesus thrall?
yes. I don't know why this makes MMO-only players mad, but Thrall is pretty much the main character of Warcraft
jovial wedge
Hey, I know Sonic Boom is supposed to do less DMG, but I'm running SIMs of all kinds and it always pushes ahead of Thunderous Roar. Are SIMs still flaky?
lyric geode
Puf.... I expect some bad ass villain to be honest. Some corporation out of lose that tries to store psycho into chips.
Oops wrong franchise
mellow quartz
glacial fury got nerfed pretty hard
still did 9% of my DPS in AA
old sinew
Thrall just feels like he is slowly losing his will to live lmao
Metzen got bored of him, and the newer writers don't know what to do with him. At least he's back to being a Shaman though.
The whole "he's so sad he lost his powers" thing was cringe
coral marsh
so when this expansion is deathwing 2.0 with galakrond you like it or not?
old sinew
so when this expansion is deathwing 2.0 with galakrond you like it or not?
Iridrikron is fine to me. It's a way to do galakrond without having to do time travel and also to deal with the sheer scale by making the cannibal dragon son smaller
It's like how Suramar was basically a stand-in for doing War of the Ancients without having to do time travel
lyric geode
OMFG, dont mention suramar. I am crying out of nostalgia
toxic pewter
still did 9% of my DPS in AA
hmmm 9% is pretty good... thought it was nerfed to be much lower than that..
in that case ya.. def does seem better
old sinew
Legion was basically a big fan service expansion to the War of the Ancient books with Blackrook Hold, Huln Highmountain, and so forth. Time travel without doing time travel. I expect DF to do the same. I expect us to get a modern-day Rise of the Aspects storyline without having to do time travel
split tusk
Metzen got bored of him, and the newer writers don't know what to do with him. A...
At least he didn't get turned into a trinket
split tusk
so when this expansion is deathwing 2.0 with galakrond you like it or not?
I expect this expansion to be basic bitch warcraft stuff and I'm totally here for it
old sinew
At least he didn't get turned into a trinket
RIP saurfang. That said, if they respect his death, then maybe they can bring some tension back to the franchise. I hate that danuser is bringing back Yzzy.
split tusk
RIP saurfang. That said, if they respect his death, then maybe they can bring so...
I'm gonna be salty about saurfang for a very long time. He is the horde warrior avatar
coral marsh
phase 1: primalists, galakrond becomes awakanable, patch 2 deathwing reincarnation, patch 3 galakrond timetravel
blazing condor
patch 4 - WoD 2.0
split tusk
phase 1: primalists, galakrond becomes awakanable, patch 2 deathwing reincarnati...
If the black dragons are choosing a new leader I don't expect our lord and savior neltharion to return
lyric geode
Patch 5: Demons strike again. Illidan becomes the new Sargeras. We have to fight the new Burning Legion
coral marsh
deathwing reincarnation could just be furorion
blazing condor
patch 6: warglaive pierces azeroth and new azerite pours out
coral marsh
and then some filler patch for the dragon faction i missed
like malygos reincarnation
lyric geode
patch 7: No, no new jailer this time. We learned from our mistakes.
oak echo
I expect this expansion to be basic bitch warcraft stuff and I'm totally here fo...
Its what wow needs tbh and I'm ready for it
slim dove
gave up majority power to banish/defeat deathwing.
lyric geode
Guys, I am in a big dilemma. Play Victoria 3 until expa comes live or Baldur's Gate 3?
coral marsh
ye but why are they strong again
minor helm
Just watch the little 3 part series they’re like 6 minutes each
old sinew
patch 4 - WoD 2.0
No joke that sounds hype to me. If df doesn’t end with both the end of time travel and the merging of the major canon timeline d into our own I will consider it throwing
Bring AU Draenor over as it’s own planet and not in a different timeline
coral marsh
that will happen in a light turns evil expansion
btw do you think they will use burned teldrassil already? would make sense for an elemental expansion i guess
blazing condor
hopefully a big golf course
split tusk
Its what wow needs tbh and I'm ready for it
Yes.
split tusk
ye but why are they strong again
Either they recharged or the dragon isles will serve as the conduit to empower them again
Lol when I first came back and was in the first zone of draenor(wod) leveling, I was sitting there thinking wow everything looks so cool I can't wait to get to blades edge mountains not realizing I was standing on top of it lmao. I'm really mad I missed WOD
coral marsh
wod really had a cool design
slim dove
Lol when I first came back and was in the first zone of draenor(wod) leveling, I...
but we started in SMV
oh w8
im dumb
ignore
coral marsh
just the design, they clearly told their artists make everything as badass as possible
split tusk
but we started in SMV
After that part
steady karma
Who are you?
slim dove
yes
blazing dune
Yeah, @ everyone just auto perma mutes because its just bots doing it - I've unmuted you
steady karma
now ban both accounts for mute evasion 🙃
toxic pewter
HES BACK
sick sentinel
ban for mute evasion that i ask casually and politely for and am given acceptance on it
BAN HIM FOR EVASION
...
slim dove
I mean it literally is ban evasion, if the mods want to act on it they can. You coulda DMed one of them directly lol
drifting fable
it was a joke brother
old sinew
@ everyone is basically a war crime so the mute is warranted I think
toxic pewter
🤣
blazing condor
can't get rid of me
oblique garnet
bold turret
Hi Guys, Is there an ideal leveling spec set out? Can’t imagine needing some of defensive options in the mythic plus trees in the pins if your geared.
toxic pewter
I lvl as prot personally and yeah choose dps talents
coral marsh
well use second wind that's really nice to have
toxic pewter
Yah I’ll prob use second wind also
coral marsh
then go the avatar thunderclap combo and clap away
cobalt seal
ban for mute evasion that i ask casually and politely for and am given acceptanc...
Did you find out how long was it?
If not try again just so we know for sure how long it is
fading halo
What profs did yall decide on for DF?
loud patrol
herb alch
mighty valley
just sticking with inscription, interested to see if they do anything with it
loud patrol
im dropping eng this time
spring umbra
first aid
modern brook
just sticking with inscription, interested to see if they do anything with it
inscription is the literal only wrong answer
literacy is a -10% dps
fading halo
Yeah I'm between herb alc and mining BS
mighty valley
what if my character does inscription but doesn't know how to read the words they write
modern brook
theyd be me 
somber shell
thoughts on leveling with warmode on (for the exp bonus)? are we fairly unkillable in open world?
neon elk
Unkilable , maybe, but once u get on wrong shard there will be 5+ vs1 on you every time, which will bring you down. And even if u dont die it can slow you rapidly. But if u land on good shard its worth it
mighty valley
i'd only do it if you'd actually enjoy getting into fights, it's less about dying and more like... is this fun or a really annoying distraction
modern brook
warmodes great until you're not allowed to exist
limpid anchor
thoughts on leveling with warmode on (for the exp bonus)? are we fairly unkillab...
Idk a 280 evoker one tapped me in a duel
toxic pewter
I’m gonna be in wm but I personally enjoy wm
bold furnace
What profs did yall decide on for DF?
I was thinking about blacksmithing but ionno
toxic pewter
Gonna go alch eng myself the utility from eng seems good and alch benefits seems good too
toxic pewter
Yeah I actually strongly considering jc also
But I also only play a main I’m not an alt guy
So tough choice
sage fable
Does anyone know if the move is getting max dragon riding right out the gate?
coral marsh
i got blessed, my main was engi alch and the main alt i wanted to play engi jewel
sage fable
or just passively get it until 70 then finish it off?
toxic pewter
Does anyone know if the move is getting max dragon riding right out the gate?
Yah I plan to get all the glyphs when I get dragon riding
toxic pewter
i got blessed, my main was engi alch and the main alt i wanted to play engi jewe...
Nice that’s a good duo
slim dove
Does anyone know if the move is getting max dragon riding right out the gate?
get 10 glyphs, cruise to 70, get the rest
the first few talents are big important
toxic pewter
Yah that’s actually not bad idea
slim dove
but it doesn't matter cuz you got 2 weeks until m+, raid, and rated.
spring umbra
imguessing they didnt add any new glyphs?
coral marsh
but i really hope they make professions account-wide one day, if alch engi isnt the best anymore i would really be screwed because i cant unlearn all the old stuff
spring umbra
account wide would be a bit much. If anything just make non base recipes perm learned
neon elk
They could also increase possible proffesions to like 8 instead of 2. What does it matter if i do all work on one toon or on 4 different , its still same time invested
prisma crane
They could also increase possible proffesions to like 8 instead of 2. What does...
i agree with this take as a more practical way of them justifying more profession options
somber shell
i'd only do it if you'd actually enjoy getting into fights, it's less about dyin...
Good point of view.
prisma crane
account wide would be nice though, or at the very least, account wide everything that you've learned so you dont have to relearn old shit on every new character
spring umbra
meh the professions are lack luster as it is without adding more filler profs
somber shell
Gonna go alch eng myself the utility from eng seems good and alch benefits seems...
does engineering + mining ever make sense?
balmy briar
Hey, has anyone done any testing on the trinkets?
somber shell
so you dont use ore to make the engineering components ever?
toxic pewter
prob better go mining and Bs or mining and jc tbh
imo at least
like if you really wanted to go mining
somber shell
nah I'd want engineering for sure..
right now I'm engi/alch for the wormhole and longer flasks
prisma crane
so you dont use ore to make the engineering components ever?
i mean i guess, but can always buy it too
toxic pewter
the utility is just too good
somber shell
yeah it is
somber shell
I happen to be a gnome, so it's thematic 😉
toxic pewter
hell yeah gnomish engineering ftw
coral marsh
mining is a total trap on war imo, its one of the worst classes to gather
somber shell
ok WM off it is
mighty valley
man i've never optimized around professions, just which of these seems fun and like it fits the character
wind oak
you should take the one for your favorite content
somber shell
if you are a gnome you better hide
lol! probably.. back in classic I pvp'd with this character as arms, was fun..
wind oak
alchimy will just help you save so much money
spring umbra
the utility for eng is probably less than previously considering everyone can get one tinker on wrists and wrists wont conflict with tier set
somber shell
man i've never optimized around professions, just which of these seems fun and l...
same, and I've ignored professions in SL, just took engi so press the button in DoS and have a wormhole + AH.. but I figure it's been rrevamped so maybe I can put a little effort into it starting today.
spring umbra
unless the base failure rate is really bad
somber shell
maybe I'll do Eng+Mining then drop mining for alch at 70
mighty valley
i also just try and do something that the rest of the guild isn't doing since it's more fun to like, interact with people than just AH everything
spring umbra
kinda sucks that the alch and eng tables you can place down are consumables rather than reusable
lusty tiger
Any modem recommendations for an Xfinity user?
spring umbra
pins
hollow token
mining is a total trap on war imo, its one of the worst classes to gather
I don’t understand
gloomy vortex
We got any levelling protection talent builds?
mighty valley
There's not a lot of flex points from a normal build, just take dps + mobility over defense
I might mess around with shockwave capstones for the burst, since I'm never gonna do that at 70
mellow quartz
stormbolt or int shout can be rather useful though for interacting with objects while being hit by a random mob
toxic pewter
im starting with this
thx I like that build better than mine titanic throw seems good for leveling
strong forum
ya
61 get SC
62 2nd wildstrikes
63 get Battering ram or bulwarks champion
64 swap from wildstrikes and get shockwave + sonic boom
65 get Battering ram/bulwarks champion/booming voice
66 swap from shockwave + sonic boom to thunderous roar + thunderous words
67 idk dance of death/thunderlords/booming voice
68 uproar
69 dance of death/thunderlords/booming voice
mellow quartz
titanic throw is good and bad, if you wanna quickly pull 4 packs together its bad due to the CD but if you just wanna hit a lot in 1 pack its good
spring umbra
honestly leveling is so easy and quick... just randomize the talent tree
outer thorn
I will just W towards yellow marker until number next to character says 70
terse hollow
does anyone have a weakaura set up for prot i could yoink? 😄
strong forum
if you mean a WA package i have one on wago ye
toxic pewter
kind of wish talent build swapping was instant all the time
at start of an arena or something feels so good
terse hollow
if you mean a WA package i have one on wago ye
yeah thats the kinda thing im lookin for
which one is yours?
strong forum
terse hollow
wonderful thank you! basically exactly what i needed
sick sentinel
second wind is a type of talent that i would go out of my way to pick it up every time leveling if it was in each spec
fast knot
As prot do you really need it though
sick sentinel
its like if you are rolling tank and there is talent that gives you 10% more hp, ur guna use that every time
fast knot
Even mass pulling hella mobs between ip and leech alongside VR/IV
toxic pewter
yah i dont see myself being out of combat for mroe than 5 sec when killing stuff
slim dove
you have infinite rage leveling as tank, shouldn't even need to press vic rush lol
minor helm
Prob not but it is the absolute most you would need
fast knot
Beta mobs hit like absolute pillows anyway
mighty valley
I miss the heal while in stealth talent for rogue leveling, there's a second wind style talent that was actually useful
toxic pewter
gotcha, thx
strong forum
bloodborne/nails/SoF are all worth more and every other point below 3rd gate is limited
toxic pewter
is ravager over shield charge possible or is that just bad
slim dove
we take both i thought?
mighty valley
what happened to you, you were the guy who liked shield charge before it was cool
strong forum
we take both
slim dove
both are big money
slim dove
needs the gcd I think
mighty valley
unpopular opinion: off GCD abilities have really low satisfaction
lusty tiger
No gcd if used in charge range? (Shield charge)
mellow bridge
mighty valley
like CDs and buffs etc? ofc, those are fine
but hard hitting damage abilities are really weird off GCD
slim dove
well, they should. giga strong abilities need to be on the gcd
toxic pewter
Yeah I mean it is probably justified but it just felt so good off the gcd lol
outer thorn
shield block would feel real bad on the gcd
mighty valley
hard hitting damage ability Shield Block
part of why I don't like the feel of prot paladin is that SotR feels like such a weak piss button to press
fast knot
I don't like the aspect of having to use a tool on a dumb dps that could literally save myself from a tankbuster
Ppal being the saviors of dps and then not having BoP or other abilities to save themselves bugs the shit out of me
strong forum
shield block would feel real bad on the gcd
it was for a brief moment during BFA beta
truly cursed moment
strong forum
idk how anyone could've ever thought that that was a good idea
or the first iteration of bolster
12sec buff that increased your armor for 10%
cost 10 rage and on the GCD
strong forum
yea....
urban portal
i think there are a big group in blizzard that doesnt know what armor does
ocean bloom
i think there are a big group in blizzard that doesnt know what armor does
most devs dont know much about the game other than the part they work on directly its just how dev work works
unless its their job to know more
urban portal
well
i would imagine the people who make the abilities
know about game balance
and how the math works at least
i dont expect the artist of yugioh know how to play the game
but i expect the people who make the cards do
mighty valley
especially in beta it's pretty common to just throw something in that "sounds right" to test the idea
it was bad
they canned it
modern brook
but i expect the people who make the cards do
Aren't yugioh cards characteristically always broken
mighty valley
yugioh cards called "World-Ending Magma Destroyer Of Infinite Fates Unbound" are basically unplayable
yugioh cards called "Funny Doctor" break the game and have to be banned
old sinew
NGL that’s why I like Hearthstone. It takes big chad energy to be like “yeah, the Lich King is pretty cool so we are just going to print a broken card you play in every deck because the Lich King shouldn’t be a weak card”
sick sentinel
the old gods was best expansion and the game fell off hard after that
uneven mason
or the first iteration of bolster
I just vomited in someone's purse thinking of the original bolster, thanks for that
strong forum
I just vomited in someone's purse thinking of the original bolster, thanks for t...
glad to be of help
sick sentinel
now HS has the same problem as retail wow in bfa SL, too much shit
old sinew
the old gods was best expansion and the game fell off hard after that
Old Gods were pretty tight.
uneven mason
Bolster v1 "when you thought we couldn't get any more lazy, here's iron fur, but it has a shield"
old sinew
N’Zoth Control felt awesome one of the earliest 10 drops actually worth it.
sick sentinel
i didn't like the limited to X per screene
old sinew
The flavor of C’thun was S-tier living in fear of your coming death driving you insane
And then he comes and your heart explodes
sick sentinel
its not the worst, but it doesn't fit hearthstone when you have a card that is like, summon the top guy from ur deck and 3 1/1's
and then u summon 1 guy at best
old sinew
If we ever see more old gods in WoW I hope Blizzard doesn’t just lean on “purple + eyeball” too much like they have lately when portraying them
Hearthstone highlighted there are more flavors than just that
mighty valley
the old god fights never quite live up to the fantasy
uh oh n'zoth is gonna break my brain in two!!! wait who is this guy Psychus. why am I taking him for a walk
uneven mason
uh oh n'zoth is gonna break my brain in two!!! wait who is this guy Psychus. why...
Nzoth mind control you to walk his dog
mighty valley
yogg was prrrrrrobably the best one? besides all the obvious older jank
thin silo
Yogg fight was pretty good in that regard
Also purple + mouth!
We need a purple + nose Old God
uneven mason
the old god fights never quite live up to the fantasy
It's the same issue my old DND gm ran into when he tried to make us fight a colossal ancient red dragon
Just too many options,
sick sentinel
they could make some old god stranger things reference with the creature and the large beast thing
shame they don't hurry up with that one already (s5)
uneven mason
Still haven't been able to make it through the first episode
blazing condor
Strangest thing is these nuts on your chin
uneven mason
Sounds horrible, will continue to keep away
warm plinth
PSA for my NA peeps: storm ele is currently up in Un'Goro
grave wedge
is there a proffesion that will benifit us the most, seems like engi has the good ones
warm plinth
engi/alc probably, as always
old sinew
Strangest thing is these nuts on your chin
gottem lol
blazing condor
have professions been out on beta and if so are they adding dragon shit to archaeology
scenic path
have professions been out on beta and if so are they adding dragon shit to archa...
I'd love to find some dragon shit
blazing condor
its literally an ancient island thats suddenly re-emerging
uneven mason
No new archeology? Fail expansion
blazing condor
why make it a profession if you're only gonna give a shit about it for 2 xpacs
boo
boo blizzard boo
old sinew
I mean
uneven mason
I'd love to find some dragon shit
Wherever we stable our dtagonriding mounts will be the best spot
old sinew
They literally did an interview recently where they said they would have made inscription and archaeology expansion-only features if they had the current team back then
blazing condor
seems like thats what they think honestly
so makes sense
but then again its not really hard to add archaeology stuff
just give us a mount and some toys
maybe a cool tmog
it can't be much work
somber shell
No new archeology? Fail expansion
Ion said arch. was coming at some point just not 10.0
blazing condor
just add some digsites
somber shell
I think specifically he said work was being done on it but nothing to announce right now?
blazing condor
there's still a lot of content in archaeology from cata
like the original arch
but its bad design to rely on more than a decade old content
and yes i am unreasonably irritated at blizzards lack of love for archaeology
uneven mason
there's still a lot of content in archaeology from cata
Tbh the rng inherent in arch is irritating
old sinew
I think I did it during... WoD maybe? Not sure. You just play marco polo or whatever and then you get some currency or something. I don't really get the appeal
blazing condor
true
uneven mason
Leaper was the bis
Also I opened my bank for the first time in 2 expansion
And saw the wall of legion lego
When did they make it so you could destroy lego
rough elk
anyone have a good macro that puts up into battle stance when in defensive and vice versa
terse hollow
You guys planning to level as protection?
eager schooner
yes
wind oak
anyone have a good macro that puts up into battle stance when in defensive and v...
check the pin
terse hollow
Anywhere have a prot levelling tree?
oak echo
When did they make it so you could destroy lego
i think like 9.1 or 9.1.5
uneven mason
Well good for them
severe hatch
Would probably still hold the legos for timewalking
uneven mason
I have so much space for DF junk now
severe hatch
As nice as it'd be to destroy
uneven mason
If timewalking was challenging atall
I'll still tank using warglaive in mh
For legion
Erm tbc
I still have sephuz and stride
misty compass
I'm not sure which tank to focus on in the next expansion... Guardian or protwar?
severe hatch
Depends. Do you like furries or plate armor
uneven mason
You're at a Chevy dealership and ask if you should buy a Chevy or Toyota
severe hatch
Pick accordingly
solar blade
hype it up boys
uneven mason
Depends. Do you like furries or plate armor
According to my PFP, why not both
chrome falcon
you guys going to be levelling as prot?
uneven mason
Yup
severe hatch
Yes
terse hollow
Is there like mandatory story completion that we absolutely have to complete in DF or are you free to level however you choose
terse hollow
Okay sweet! We got any info on how long that is? Can i reasonably get through it in one sitting?
uneven mason
You must complete the MSQ
severe hatch
5 hours or less if you don't read
terse hollow
Nah I ain't reading shit i plan to mine as i go tho
modern brook
i step away for 2 whole minutes to do my job and @strong forum stops streaming SMH
uneven mason
Spent 100hours on the msq, ask my friend who is FFXIV obsessed when I get to the mmo part of the game, and he linked the msq chains...all 600 hours of them
sullen patio
Level as prot or fury if you are going to play solo?
terse hollow
Prot for all the big pulls
uneven mason
The answer is always prot
odd tree
prot, easier to pull big
uneven mason
Did fury catch some massive buffs in the last week?
odd tree
either way, take 2nd wind
sullen patio
Prot it is then
strong forum
i step away for 2 whole minutes to do my job and <@192743144276623360> stops st...
Ima chill for 1.5-2hrs then go hard
sweet summit
Did fury catch some massive buffs in the last week?
nej
uneven mason
Because iirc prot was out DPSing fury in st and ae
odd tree
they've been spoon feeding arms buffs
sweet summit
that's cap
uneven mason
Arms wasn't doing so hot either
vital sinew
Someone has to push the execute button. May as well be arms
terse hollow
I still think I wanna focus on arms as a secondary can't keep up with all the mashing in fury 😂
odd tree
the clear issue with arms is there's no great middle ground for dps. you're either aoe or st, make a hybrid build and your bad at both
modern brook
Ima chill for 1.5-2hrs then go hard
Good timing
uneven mason
I still think I wanna focus on arms as a secondary can't keep up with all the ma...
Arms isn't exactly lower apm
terse hollow
the clear issue with arms is there's no great middle ground for dps. you're eith...
Agreed but I'll deal with it before i deal with rsi
uneven mason
And prot is way past either
terse hollow
Prot feels really low apm to me, am i doing it wrong?
uneven mason
Probably
vital sinew
^^
odd tree
likely
tropic sundial
Not hitting IP enough
terse hollow
Ignore pain stays up for ages
uneven mason
We're one of the few specs that regularly slap an off gcd
odd tree
are you wasting rage?
uneven mason
Like IP is about cycle of rage
terse hollow
Im probably just doing it wrong then 😂 i only levelled a warrior like a couple days ago
whole plinth
ITF vs Heavy Repercussions? What's the consensus?
tropic sundial
HR
uneven mason
ITF vs Heavy Repercussions? What's the consensus?
If itf can maintain 100% full stack
Otherwise hr
mighty valley
ITF might be worth at later haste values but HR is strong single target and we need to pick a few SB uptime talents anyway
whole plinth
Alright cool
uneven mason
Hr feelycrafts better
south patrol
Happy leveling ! Gl gf !
thorny laurel
do you lvl with prot talent tree?
fierce field
is there any other warrior spec?!
marsh stone
exactly 😄
thorny laurel
😂
sullen patio
Arms and fury being c-tier is a sacrifice i am willing to make to let prot be good
tender cove
no queue yet, gonna nap for an hour and come back to 5 hours or smt stupid xD
toxic pewter
Sounds about right
fierce field
sleep is a crutch
tender cove
sleep is a crutch
i know but this hour will make the world of difference in terms of motivation for putting in those extra hours
fierce field
fair point. thankfully launch is prime time for me, just after my normal dinner time 🙂
tender cove
And really, how many people can no life? its a regular work/school day at 00.00
fierce field
I had 8 days of PTO to burn or lose going into December this year
tender cove
wait, you can lose your overtime?
fierce field
PTO, not overtime.
tender cove
In my country, it goes into the next year 😒
tender cove
in sweden, you get 28 days minimum but if you work goverment, you get like 1 week per every 5 years or smt. Some old folks have 8 weeks
severe hatch
PTO rolling over is not a legal right in the US. Most companies do it up to a certain number of days, but not all
sudden palm
Auld is right; most companies allow for 1 year worth of PTO to roll over max
fierce field
I get 20 days of vacation on top of the company holidays (10 of those) and next year I get 5 more days, but none of it carries over, unless you live in specific states.
tender cove
At worst, they can force you to take that time as cash/salary, but you can never lose it
minor helm
You can
urban portal
in US you definitely can
fierce field
It's horrible here, it just means that December is a dead month for getting anything done because EVERYBODY does the same thing
minor helm
I’m literally working at a job who will do it right now (on midnight 12/31)
tender cove
you need more unions
fierce field
Yes... yes we do.
past drum
name a more iconic duo than us and poor labor laws
minor helm
fierce field
Yeah we have unlimited PTO once you hit a certain level in our company
outer thorn
In swedish governtment jobs you can also trade your bonus vacation pay for extra paid vacation days, ive had 7 weeks paid vacation this year
fierce field
If i had unlimited PTO... I wouldn't use any PTO
sudden palm
Like it sucks; the policy is "take as many days as you want if your work is not going to be affected" - like wtf? :D
urban portal
name a more iconic duo than us and poor labor laws
the upside of poor labor laws is making double the salary for the same job title
fierce field
yeah, taking time off is going to affect my work, period.
sudden palm
the upside of poor labor laws is making double the salary for the same job title
This tbh
fierce field
US and Poor Health Care. US and Poor Labor Laws... uhhh
past drum
the upside of poor labor laws is making double the salary for the same job title
u mean the POTENTIAL to
urban portal
most white collar jobs even at an entry level, you are making double post tax
tech, finance, etc
outer thorn
I wouldnt trade my union rights for more pay, f outta here with that
urban portal
blue collar is different tho
tender cove
tech, finance, etc
What is the cost of living in say, silicon valley compared to the salary?
fierce field
My favorite is "Record Profits... but we laid off about 500 people this quarter"
tender cove
My favorite is "Record Profits... but we laid off about 500 people this quarter"
thats how they made the profit lmao
fierce field
100%
thorny laurel
do you have a special talent tree for leveling?
tender cove
it has its ups and downs, in sweden, its almost impossible to fire someone.
vital sinew
No, this is an economic advice channel
fierce field
level up by joining a labor union 🙂
mellow quartz
ahh dratnos raid tank list is on wowhead
urban portal
though my experience with UK finance salaries is usually Word of mouth
sweet summit
uh oh
fierce field
oh boy
vital sinew
Yall are getting blue shelled
mellow quartz
its not like anyone hasn't decided on a main with 1h 30min left for expac launch though 🙂
outer thorn
if anyone seriously have anxiety over what to play you can rest on the fact that raids/m+ doesnt open until dec 13/14
toxic pewter
but but but i was playing prot before it was cool
nimble flume
its not like anyone hasn't decided on a main with 1h 30min left for expac launch...
Yeah honestly I haven't for example. Two weeks of m0 to test classes out myself (no beta) and only on 13/14th one really has to decide.
fierce field
prot is going to be my main, but I want to kick the tires on Guardian and BDK, just not sure which I'll do second. I've mentally parked on brew due to all the keybinds
strong forum
🅱️ear in 🅱️-tier
unborn bolt
Prot's in P tier for Perfect
loud patrol
🅱️ear in 🅱️-tier
mellow quartz
🅱️ear in 🅱️-tier
his argument just seems to be the raid buff will come from other sources and then bear doesnt bring anything special to the raid team
silent cave
his argument just seems to be the raid buff will come from other sources and the...
but what about that crazy healing per rage spent?
strong forum
its a solid argument
but putting bear in B just because pwar brings rally is ?
Bear is the highest or 2nd highest ST dmg tank
lyric geode
Guys? Are you ready?
strong forum
30% ahead VDH ST dmg
strong forum
1hr20min*
lyric geode
Oh, isnt it on 12 cest?
plush garden
11 gmt
strong forum
whatever timezone youre in, its in 1h20min
lyric geode
CET
plush garden
so i think its 1 cet
nimble flume
Damn, hype was there!
cosmic cairn
Is someone here who could help me out with a "ignore pain" Weakaura? I got that the desaturated icon always showing while in Combat but I'd like to get the Icon only shown as I got the IP buff. THanks a lot 🙂
outer thorn
did they fix the brutal vitality bug yet?
strong forum
Not afaik
cosmic cairn
try the one linked in the pins
Thanks mate, that's the one I have - just have to get rid of the desaturated Icon while in combat and only showing the icon while I got the buff. Tried different things but cant get it to work with Custom commands in it
toxic pewter
its bugged? does that mean I should use FbV more
strong forum
Thanks mate, that's the one I have - just have to get rid of the desaturated Ico...
Ah okay, check conditions and triggers
That's about as far as I can make suggestions as I don't show the icon at all
I only display text
golden crescent
Does Tough as Nails have an icd?
outer thorn
@toxic pewter its still good but it stops adding absorb once you reach the cap and it wont add again until the buff drops and you reapply it
strong forum
Does Tough as Nails have an icd?
500ms from what we know
toxic pewter
... my god...
cosmic cairn
Ah okay, check conditions and triggers
Got it, was set to "show always" in triggers, thanks bud 😉
toxic pewter
theyre really pumping out the tier lists.. i wonder if they will do m+ lists on wowhead frontpage
strong forum
its bugged? does that mean I should use FbV more
Has been bugged for over 2 weeks
mellow quartz
way more than 2 weeks tbh
strong forum
I've got a "list" of known bugs in the pins
But that list only contains BV for now
So uh ye
Ah right and bsv
fierce field
I'm a leaf... but I've been here before, then left while I took a wow b reak, and now I'm back with all the same silly questions
mellow quartz
importance of our bugs right now are BV > rend spreading 'smartness' > BSV
toxic pewter
that BV bug seems bad ya
mellow quartz
It is but it’s been bad for a month on beta and we are ‘fine’
lyric geode
BV?
sweet summit
banger
mellow quartz
shouldn't you though?
strong forum
no
"mobs that ravager helped kill"
if you never send out ravager, you still get the buff
ravager didnt help you kill anything
mellow quartz
oh you meant even without ravager
toxic pewter
So you get dance of death buff without even killing anythingwith ravager?
strong forum
yes
toxic pewter
lol intersting
strong forum
i 1shot a critter with auto attack and got the buff
strong forum
war machine works like that too btw
toxic pewter
intersting
so like can ravager theoretically last a long ass time if you kill a ton of mobs within 2 seconds of eachother... or am I misunderstanding how it even works
strong forum
dance of death doesnt stack
red wave
Someone asked me to make 'em one but I have to assume it already exists - Anyone have a WeakAura or reco on something that highlights what you reflected? Bonus if it can announce Spell Reflect
warm plinth
War machine is supposed to work that way though, since it doesn't require anything other than being a mob you hit, correct?
toxic pewter
ive noticed war machine def works that way I will get procs in BGs and stuff and im not even involved with a kill
outer thorn
ravager didnt help you kill anything
He helped with moral support T_T
mighty valley
did bear get any additional tuning that I missed after the 50% aura buff? not that I care about tier lists but i was surprised to see them at B
mellow quartz
the dps list has an "SS" tier haha
outer thorn
wowhead dogwhistling smh
strong forum
hunters getting shafted lol
mellow quartz
all ranged specs are 'meh'
you will just need an evoker healer for lust if you go 3 melee though 🙂
lyric geode
Have fun with quaking.
ocean finch
Is there any real corridor dungeons?
mighty valley
most of my casual guild keys were all melee lmao
mellow quartz
an evoker healer would also prefer 3 melee dps haha
ocean finch
That will be a problem with quaking?
mellow quartz
temple has tight areas, only dungeon
outer thorn
@ocean finch Shadowmoon is very linear but i dont know if it fits your qualification for "corridor"
mellow quartz
shadowmoons tunnels are wide enough that quaking shouldn't be much of an issue
lyric geode
Generally speaking melees are not as valuable as ranged because they have limited position.
mellow quartz
generally speaking melee are better in keys than ranged cause of kicks and stops
outer thorn
good idea to point out if your argument is for keys or raid in these types of discussions
pallid quiver
can't do no dps if you get blasted by an errant cast
mighty valley
multiple melee do all need to not be stupid and respect each others' positioning but they do have a lot of freedom of movement around the enemies
mighty valley
when melee learn they don't need to be directly inside the enemy's ass to hit them, it gets easier
mellow quartz
good idea to point out if your argument is for keys or raid in these types of di...
we were talking about dungeons, assumed he was talking abt dungeons lol
toxic pewter
INCOMING
outer thorn
we were talking about dungeons, assumed he was talking abt dungeons lol
I meant it as in "it was good of you to make it clear"
pallid quiver
the fotm rerollers
mellow quartz
prot warr s tier M+ tank
would be shocked if he didn't put them there
pallid quiver
i can smell them from here
neon elk
the dps list has an "SS" tier haha
Is that some germany reference ??
mellow quartz
Is that some germany reference ??
yeah I am sure thats what wowhead was going for
pallid quiver
the ones i talk about should be febreeze'd and shunned
neon elk
What else ??
pallid quiver
the others should be treated like normal people
knotty idol
are fotmers good people
No, they play warlock
toxic pewter
No, they play warlock
... my god...
pallid quiver
also, did he say that BDK does less damage than Prot War at a glance in that wowhead post?
outer thorn
is there a WA like the overlay in Dota2 that gives you a quick breakdown of physical vs magical damage taken?
toxic pewter
yah those def exist
lyric geode
Omfg. To be fair, the only weirdos I met, they usually play warlocks or shadow /discipline priests.
eternal marsh
is prot warrior hard to get into? been a brm main for a few years but their squishness is a turn off now wondering if prot warrior is gonna be difficult to get into if i never played it before
warm plinth
Prot warrior is easier to get into now than it has been in the past @eternal marsh
But it is still punishing if you make mistakes
round delta
is prot warrior hard to get into? been a brm main for a few years but their squ...
i felt confy
more confy that playing DKB
mellow quartz
lets all keep Dratnos tier list track record in mind 🙂
eternal marsh
how is their damage compared to other tanks? i feel like it changes every day and dont know how it is today haha
lyric geode
Lol. It is the most boring channel. I wont discuss what they argue in Beast mastery channel on Trueshot lodge.
warm plinth
I enjoy this discord (well, this channel anyway) so much that I hang out here even when I don't play pwar.
eternal marsh
BRM has always been a pumper one of the reasons i loved them
lyric geode
I have heard rumors that they sent furry photos. Yikes.
odd tree
I've never been around skyhold protection during an S tier..
Same, should be fun 
outer thorn
the backfire when people expect you to +20 on day one though xD
neon elk
Feel like most people doing 20s in* s4 will be happy to times 10-13s first week , me included xd
outer thorn
from what I hear it wont be pancaked tanks holding back the group like in s1 SL but rather dps dying to partywide damage or bossmechanics
ocean finch
from what I hear it wont be pancaked tanks holding back the group like in s1 SL ...
Amazing!
neon elk
Will see, i didnt play beta to not spoiler myself , and i got in very late anyway, but it would defo be nice feeling to not be the one that has all the guilt
ocean finch
Is there a limit first season week with how high key you can do for end of dungeon loot and vault loot?
toxic pewter
Yah it’s looking like more “defensive” dps are going to perhaps be wanted more
Vs some flimsy specs
Ww monk has like 6 defensives now or some crap
neon elk
Is there a limit first season week with how high key you can do for end of dunge...
First week of season there are no limits, all raids are open, no vault cap , feel free to go for 20s
toxic pewter
Is there a valor cap anyone know
drifting fable
2 weeks
ocean finch
Wait so its not next reset we can do m+?
drifting fable
m+ happens when raid opens
outer thorn
dec 13/14 US/EU
drifting fable
2 weeks
ocean finch
Oh lol, thought M+ was 1 week from launch.. 😦 Guess time to lvl my alt is totally fine with time
mellow quartz
Is there a valor cap anyone know
yes
agile elbow
And week 2 is a good alt week too kek
neon elk
Well, good luck to everyone who is gona play at launch.
fallen rose
is there a lvling build somewhere