protection

[warm plinth]

Tomorrow

[paper iron]

You could also make gold if your a shitty person by getting primal stone/heirloom pieces and scalping people for them that don’t have time to finish them this evening

[warm plinth]

3pm pacific

[paper iron]

Made me sad to see

[copper lion]

what do you mean?

those heirlooms are BOA aren't they

[warm plinth]

Honestly I can't imagine many of those sell. I was farming invasions for 2 days straight and there were so many offered for free that the 1 or 2 people selling them probably didn't sell shit.

[paper iron]

The heirlooms are, but the stones can be traded @copper lion

[warm plinth]

The items used to craft them can be traded to other people who participated in that kill

[paper iron]

Yeah I give them away for free to fuck those dirtbags trying to screw people over

[copper lion]

what heirloom are we talking about

[warm plinth]

Did you end up getting the bug at all? I got the bug like 3 times where it wouldn't let me trade to a person who was there for the kill. Super sucky

[copper lion]

the vendor has none

[warm plinth]

The heirloom trinket

There's only one heirloom

You get a dimmed primeval storm, water, fire, and earth from each of the elemental bosses and you combine them

[outer thorn]

How many weeks will it take to max out renown for a faction in DF?

[copper lion]

oh

[paper iron]

I only got it once, kinda sucked haha. I also like giving away the gear to people farming mega

Mogs*

[copper lion]

what are the drop chances

[warm plinth]

Yeah it was really tilting 😦 I felt so bad

[copper lion]

for each piece

[warm plinth]

They're pretty good. Probably like ~40%

And there's always someone giving them away at this point since it's so late

So you can get them traded

[copper lion]

so I can buy them off of AH

[warm plinth]

You can also server hop with the group finder and just spam kill the boss

No

It's like dungeon loot. Can only trade to people who were there

[copper lion]

don't think I have time to farm that

how good is that heirloom

[warm plinth]

It's an heirloom

It's useless unless you level a lot

[paper iron]

I’m finished all the stuff from primal vendor last night luckily

[warm plinth]

Yeah I bought gear for 6 toons

I found boss-hopping to be a lot more efficient for farming the currency

[copper lion]

whatever I will take the L on that lol

[warm plinth]

Because the small mobs all get tagged giga quick

It's a unique color that you can't get after the launch

You can get the sets but not in that color

So if it doesn't matter to you then you have no reason to do it

Though getting the reagent bag I feel is worth it since I think you don't get one of those until people start being able to craft them

And you can get 5 essences in like 30 seconds

so why not

I spent 3,180 essences and 145.5k anima last night gearing all my toons 🙂

[paper iron]

Luckily the mage one is ducking ugly so I don’t even want it, but did it because I have fomo

[warm plinth]

It looks really good on smaller races I found

It looks absolutely comical on my nightborne mage though

Sec I have a picture 😂

[paper iron]

You should see it on a kil tiran lol

[warm plinth]

Look how fucking bad this is

Why is it pants and not a robe like what

I love the top of it so much but it just doesn't go with the pants at all

[paper iron]

I prefer pants over robe mogs but yeah those pants suck

[warm plinth]

It looks really good on my gnome warlock though because you don't really see the pants 😂

I like the plate set a lot though

[paper iron]

Plate set is goat. I wish blizz would add more sensible armor instead of this super crazy shit we get sometimes

More low fantasy stuff

[warm plinth]

That's coming in DF actually

We're supposedly going to be able to mog white quality items

So we get to have low fantasy

[split tusk]

I am not pleased with being a walking boulder

[warm plinth]

Some of the heritage armor is so good though

Dwarf and Kul Tiran are so awesome

Well, dwarf is good for plate classes anyway

Not so much for non-plate

@potent anvil @shut summit Hello friends, I hope you had wonderful Thanksgivings and I hope you have fun with the launch!

[weary python]

When tanking raids, are tank swap mechanics usually handled through addons/ WA's? Or communicating between the two tanks?

[warm plinth]

Usually a combination of the two depending on how complex the mechanic might be

BigWigs/DBM and/or weakauras usually communicate the appropriate time to swap. But DBM and BigWigs can be pretty conservative, especially as you get later in the tier and things become easier.

[weary python]

Alright. I'm going to be tanking raids for the first time in a while in this expansion and I'd like to not be completely lost initially lol

[warm plinth]

e.g. as you get gear, you might be able to take 3 stacks of that debuff instead of 1, so you'd have to ignore the addon and swap later

The most important thing is to just communicate with your co-tank

even if it's in whispers between pulls

[shut summit]

[weary python]

Thank you.

[pallid quiver]

The other taunt swap classic depending on how the mechanic works is to just taunt as your stacks fall off so there's less damage going out onto the tanks in general, giving heals more time to DPS theoretically

[grave crane]

Theyre called healers, and ill be damned if i make healing easy on them by taking less damage. i dont even use SB

[warm plinth]

😂

It can be better for tank damage too though. E.g. druids tend to frequently weave for raid damage, so the more time they can not be actively tanking, the better

[grave crane]

if i wanted the druids to do damage theyd be boomies

[warm plinth]

oof

[grave crane]

or bears i suppose

[ripe cave]

Anyone know a youtuber worth following for prot warrior guides/tips etc.

[grave crane]

sense has some good videos but theyre not so much guides as you watch him and try to see what you do different

[warm plinth]

Mmm, not really. Sense and (sometimes) Deswind do prot keys and Sense also posts raids. But generally the guide makers tend to be fotm rerollers

[mortal brook]

boomies dont deserve nice things https://twitter.com/jdotb/status/1575618118696566785

jb (@jdotb)

boomkins deserve extinction bc they lack a survival instinct. give them one busted talent and two hours in normal raid testing and they will double up your other dps on the meters while being like "suck my duck haters!"

death is inevitable for animals as stupid as this

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[grave crane]

mattacate had a good banner video which just shows proper play as well

[warm plinth]

Maybe we can convince @strong forum to make guide videos this expansion

He's a smart boi, if a bit crazy

[cobalt seal]

you can just watch him

play

[warm plinth]

I'm gonna make M+ tip videos this expansion. I made a couple last expansion that I think turned out okay considering my nonexistent editing skills

last expansion meaning SL

[grave crane]

editing and putting together clips to make a whole video is honestly a lot of work

[warm plinth]

Man you're not wrong

It takes me like 10 minutes to add a fucking line on a freeze frame to mark something

I'm so bad

But they get the info across I think so good enough for me

[ripe cave]

Mattacate has a awesome UI setup. Does he have a profile he shares for it?

[warm plinth]

@chrome falcon ^

[chrome falcon]

owo

nope i'm afraid i don't

i basically just copied towelliee's UI in uhh 5.4 and then just kept slightly adjusting it

it's just bartender for bars, shadowed unit frames, and, uh... parrot for combat text? i think?

[ripe cave]

Looks great dude.

Watching your banner video currently.

Ill probably attempt to copy yours haha.

[chrome falcon]

it's pretty bashed together at this point but it works which is what matters

i still haven't been able to open my bags for about 2 weeks and haven't figured out how to fix that yet

[ripe cave]

Haha i think the default keybind to open your bags is B?

[cursive prawn]

Bagnon is broken

[lone copper]

bagnon or pawn?

[cursive prawn]

If that's what you're using

[chrome falcon]

yeah bagnon is probably just broken

but eh the only thing i need my bags for right now is my hearthstone which you can use a toy for anyway

[edgy belfry]

adibags for sure

[ripe cave]

You considering doing videos for dragonflight mattacate?

[chrome falcon]

considered? absolutely

not sure if i'm going to do it

[warm plinth]

Yeah I use adibags and it's working

[chrome falcon]

my PC is mid and my internet is dogshit

which makes certain things annoying

like even that short banner video was a good hour or more to upload

[warm plinth]

Uploading good resolution videos when your ISP gives fuck all upload is so frustrating.

[chrome falcon]

also while i'm enjoying the spec decently well i'm certainly not in love with it like i was in 9.2 onwards so eh

if the dungeons are good i'll do dungeon videos though

and maybe raid stuff but i don't see a huge amount of value in that since 1) sense and 2) sense's guild are better than me and mine

i basically just copy his shit for my guild's strats since he normally kills hard bosses a few weeks before we do

[pallid quiver]

Honestly, dungeon videos would probably be more beneficial. It's a lot more finnicky than raids due to the lower amount of scripting and there's not many tank-dedicated proper guides for M+

[craggy pilot]

is it not possible to do onebag in bank with blizz ui?

[pallid quiver]

You can find solid gameplay vids of runs for sure, but nothing that really helps set people on the right track, I think

prot war's also a good bit less punishing this time around, so people won't be visibly floundering as much as banner war

[elfin urchin]

Hi all just joined and wanted to see what we are all playing spec wise at, Indom or rava?

[warm plinth]

Top pin has DF builds

[tulip kelp]

Is M+ all new DF dungeons or is there some carry over?

[lone copper]

4 df dungeons 4 old ones

you can see them in the adventure guide

[tulip kelp]

Ahh perfect thanks

Is there a guide to the new ones anywhere?

[fast knot]

Trell has videos on them that are pretty comprehensive

[tulip kelp]

Awesome thanks

[wheat stirrup]

when DF launches tomorrow, will it kick everyone off once the game goes "live"?

[lone copper]

no

[warm plinth]

nah they've done live launches since BFA I think

[lone copper]

you can log on before launch and the quest will automatically get given to you to start it when it goes live

[cobalt seal]

Yes

Servers will burn and crash

So you will get dc

[warm plinth]

I mean, he's not wrong about that 😂

[cobalt seal]

And get into a 10M person queue

[warm plinth]

The sheer number of people around that time will probably cause the servers to have a stroke

But THEORETICALLY, you won't get kicked off

[pallid quiver]

if you're online when the new expac goes live, some crackhead with a knife will personally stab you so their experience is flawless

[junior trench]

Server queues are gonna be fun

[wheat stirrup]

ah ok, so if you can log in early do that? i am asking because i can utilize the wife to log me in early before i get home from work lol

[cobalt seal]

Sounds like trouble

[warm plinth]

Yeah ideally you want to be on early

[junior trench]

Get on . Get dc'd . Wait to get in for a few hours at a time. Rinse. Repeat

[wheat stirrup]

exactly lol

[junior trench]

Expecting anything diff is just allowing yourself to be disappointed

[wheat stirrup]

agreed, already considering tomorrow is going to be a wash, i think tuesday will be particularly worse, at least the prime time hours

[warm plinth]

At least they seem to have learned to put invisible walls around NPCs already for DF

[fluid shard]

Its like people in were weren’t there for Shadowlands

[warm plinth]

and the no-mount zones

[fluid shard]

Which was extremely smooth

Past 2 xpacs have been fine

[hybrid peak]

Phasing>layering

[cobalt seal]

Sl was still meh

[junior trench]

Havent been here since MoP but classic was a mess right

[cobalt seal]

When you inside its find

Because the number of shards they make

[hybrid peak]

'mess'

[cobalt seal]

Is enough to have decent gameplay

[junior trench]

I just expect big releases to have a rough few days. Industry norm at this point.

[cobalt seal]

Sl was perfectly fine

Outside of the big servers

[warm plinth]

Yeah basically as long as you weren't on Illidan or A52 you were fine. I had no login queue for Tich

[junior trench]

Stormrage here. Assuming i'll br queueing up

[cobalt seal]

Have fun

[hybrid peak]

Will be sub 500 at worst

And you shouldn't dc

[junior trench]

Happy to hear it

[crude notch]

I was on Stormrage for SL and it was no queue.

[warm plinth]

I'd like to be on your queue

[crude notch]

If you're on an Alliance server you'll be fine no question.

[crude notch]

Number of people in Queue: 1.

:3

[crude notch]

Whatchu leveling first

[warm plinth]

I have...no idea

I only have 38 options

[crude notch]

Not enough tbh

[warm plinth]

well, 39 if you count Specless

[crude notch]

I have 5 druids to pick from.

(And might not go druid)

[warm plinth]

I'll just level all of them right away. It'll only take 9 1/2 days of nonstop leveling

[crude notch]

EZ

My real problem is what server do I want to level on first.

[warm plinth]

That part is easy for me at least lol

I AM GOING TO MURDER A PRINTER

[crude notch]

Hmm that sounds counter productive to your job

Thrall should be fine, right?

[warm plinth]

Thrall should be fine yeah

[oak echo]

anyone have any memory of what login queues were like on illidan for SL if there were any? moved there just a couple months ago for a guild so not sure what to expect lol (assuming things are as smooth as SL went)

[warm plinth]

Illidan and Area52 both had pretty hefty queues for a few days

[hot crest]

does anyone have a nice clean IP weakaura ? all the ones on wago are ugly and have icons and stuff

[warm plinth]

They're the two largest horde servers

[crude notch]

Iirc I tried to start on Illidan in SL. That did not go well, so I swapped to Stormrage.

@warm plinth I decided to get the TZV Mount last minute lol.

[warm plinth]

pog

I got the wrath dk mount the other day. worked on it in between invasion bosses lol

[crude notch]

nice

[warm plinth]

Probably just spending tonight after work farming essences until I go to bed

Nothing else to do at this point

Got all the toons to 226 at least so might as well get a couple more sets of 252

[loud patrol]

did icy veins deleted their tier list?

[crude notch]

Which one?

Petko's M+ one is still up

[loud patrol]

huh didnt find it

[oak echo]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/mythic-dps-tier-list

[lone copper]

https://wago.io/vXmhbBkqk

[hot crest]

tyyy

[olive steeple]

where should i log out tonight

[warm plinth]

Durotar/Stormwind

[lone copper]

for ally its the same dock as the boralus boat

[hot crest]

mage just sucks lol what

[loud patrol]

ty

dont trust tier lists that much

[olive steeple]

ty

[hot crest]

i know tht hahah i just find it funny mage and hunter are made to look horrible haha

[loud patrol]

good

its time for the melee to rise up

[hot crest]

make surv SL again hahahah

i had so much fun on Surv

[warm plinth]

I can't trust anything Petko puts out tbh

Considering how completely wrong he was in the last article he wrote on wowhead

[hot crest]

which do you guys think is more trusted icey or wowhead? mainly for prot warrior

[loud patrol]

what did he put up?

[warm plinth]

The article about things that scale with fort or tyr

It got taken down not long after he posted it because literally everything in it was wrong

[warm plinth]

I prefer icy-veins just because I'm a Mwahi simp

[uneven mason]

Is the wowhead one still done by lllarrdold

[warm plinth]

yes

[uneven mason]

Then icy veins

[warm plinth]

😂

[uneven mason]

Dude mains a tank class that literally didn't have to press buttons for 3 expansion

I'd be wary of instructions from him on how to load a toaster, too many steps for a monk

[loud patrol]

i though you were talking bout dh then i remember they only have 1 button

[uneven mason]

That's ok most prot war reviews don't even talk about our 1mun cd for shield wall

If you want to know the real guide you just @ nom

[ocean finch]

We have any leveling build for grabs?

[loud patrol]

in wowhead theres one

[young rivet]

i've noticed the wowhead ones don't say order from 61-70

[loud patrol]

do whatever

[warm plinth]

Neither site has very good leveling guides tbh. Icy-veins are better though (they at least give what order you're supposed to get the talents in)

But I am not a huge fan of some of the builds they use

[pallid quiver]

Get your big damage buttons for talents

If you want to be real optimale, you can swap out some points for Thunderlord/Booming midway through. Nome has a comment on it somewhere in this channel

i was just gonna yeet away indomitable and rush shield charge -> rav -> thundering, booming voice

[old sinew]

@strong forum do you by any chance have a screenshot of how much the helmet proc was doing? It looks like after the dragonflight beta discussion section was nuked that screenshot went with it

[pallid quiver]

and get indomitable back at level cap

[crude notch]

How to level on release:

• Search "Speed" in search bar.
• Pick highlighted talents.
• Profit.

[warm plinth]

GONK GANG

I got into a dude's head the other night in here and made him accidentally pick Gonk and I've never felt better about being me

[pallid quiver]

"Accidentally" You mean drove him to the only reasonable answer, right?

as a cow, i'm very jealous of gonk's children

[warm plinth]

lol, I suppose so

[solemn current]

I know it's not "exactly" prot warrior related but I've been deciding between eng or BS as someone who plans on tanking keys. Is the gear with effects in BS BoP only for blacksmithers or would it solely be for gold income and I should go eng for SAVIOR?

[lyric geode]

Ηος μθψη τιμε ιτ νεεδσ το βε μαχ λεωελ ιν ΔΦ;

[storm merlin]

You can get the BoP stuff from work orders too

[warm plinth]

Not 100% sure what you're asking. It seems like maybe it's how much time to level? In which case people are saying 6-10 hours

[solemn current]

Damn so BS really gains no benefit outside of gold making huh? Engineering it is then.

[lyric geode]

oh yes, my bad. Indeed. How much time it needs to lvl up to max level was my question. I can blindly type, and because I am bilingual, I make silly mistakes. My bad.

[warm plinth]

You're fine. 🙂

That's from 60-70 btw, not 1-70.

[lyric geode]

I see. So, do we have to do all the questline like in SL?

[warm plinth]

I'm not sure, sorry.

It's a good idea to do the main campaign regardless though, because you get the sparks of inspiration for the crafted gear from some of them I believe

[lyric geode]

ah ok

[fierce field]

I think you need to do the main campaign to a point to unlock the end game content

[strong forum]

Yes you gotta do the main story

[lyric geode]

ok

[clear rose]

does anyone know if fueled by violence is bugged?

[strong forum]

In what way

It used to be bugged and not work at all

But it has been working ever since evoker release

[clear rose]

The amount healed from it isnt anywhere near it should be, not sure if its cause other stuff is healing me before it can or i am looking at it wrong

[strong forum]

If you're full HP it doesn't trigger aka overheal

Are you perhaps running the conduit aswell

Cuz the conduit clashes with the talent

They don't stack

[clear rose]

no this is a lvl boosted warrior

[strong forum]

And fbv isn't healing for 50%of deep wounds dmg?

[clear rose]

correct

[crude notch]

Anyone NA mind giving me their Halls of Valor M0 lockout? I hecked up the Balance of Power quest so just need a fresh instance.
Literally just requires a group invite.

[warm plinth]

Do you have a log showing that?

[warm plinth]

I probably can, one moment

[crude notch]

How much overhealing?

[clear rose]

119 on fbv

[crude notch]

And that's not a log, just a details, which can be unreliable when parsing out a bug

[clear rose]

oh gotcha

[strong forum]

How much did each individual tick of fbv heal

How much dmg did each individual tick of deep wounds do

[warm plinth]

@crude notch logging in now

[clear rose]

96

[crude notch]

:3

[warm plinth]

Garmall-Tichondrius

[strong forum]

Cuz like, looking at details is practically useless

When it comes to that stuff

[warm plinth]

Do I need to invite you or the other way around

[strong forum]

Given that your leech healing is also this extremely low

I'm assuming that both leech and fbv just don't get the chance to do anything because of your other heals

[clear rose]

what would be a better way to see this

[strong forum]

Logs

[clear rose]

thats kinda what i was thinking

[strong forum]

Like I said, leech and fbv are smart heals

They don't proc if you're full HP

And the overhealing is caused by proccing at 99% hp and push you over 100%

[clear rose]

so would Brutal Vitality be better then?

[strong forum]

BV is bugged and stops working once it reaches max absorb cap, until that IP fully falls off

[clear rose]

im new to prot tanking

[strong forum]

Pick your poison

[clear rose]

gotcha

[strong forum]

1 thing I can say is tho that your IP is way too low

Usually IP should be 2x of your indom

[clear rose]

yea i forget to use it some times

[strong forum]

IP usage is pretty much like this "if you're close to or over 80% rage, send it"

You rather spend rage, than overcap it

[clear rose]

gotcha, ill try that

[hasty field]

Hey
Do we use into the fray early on into xpac to get some needed haste or we choose the other option nonetheless?

[ocean bloom]

HR is safer pick 95% of the time

[strong forum]

Itf gets good at higher haste, with lower haste HR is better

[noble lynx]

Oh nyo protwar with lowhaste will be weird

[lyric geode]

There is a ton of rage generation now. Dont worry. I worried too about protection warrior on season 0.

It is in a good spot. I hope they dont get nerfed to the ground on the next seasons.

[hasty field]

I bet it’s getting nerfed first week of the season

[tame jasper]

legendaries are disabled in DF right away, right? So I could destroy them at soul forge to have mor bank sapce?

[mighty valley]

they're already disabled when you're outside of shadowlands content

[warm plinth]

Might wanna keep in case you can use them in Shadowlands timewalking some day

[pallid quiver]

that's pretty much the strongest reason i actually keep my panda capes around in quick access,

though those also benefit from being active in timewalking instances of anything pandaland and earlier, so it works during BC timewalking and all

lets me flex some numbers using tiger cape in those dungeons

[worthy haven]

in 16.5 hours, my prot warrior shall explode onto the dragon islans

[solar blade]

hyped for the expansion for sure

only thing is everybody is bandwagoning onto prot and the majority is going to suck

[worthy haven]

honestly my plan from way back was to main prot, and then i saw how popular it was, and i decided to play something else, then I decided, Im too old to care about that stuff, and why dont I just play what I enjoy and enjoy the nice bonus that it is the meta tank this patch

[lone eagle]

As soon as bear was made good I went "fuck yeah bear"

Gonna have pwar as my 2nd tank and my ol' brew as 3rd in the hopes they get some touchups

[worthy haven]

I mean whether every other prot warrior sucks or not, doesnt affect me. I will never raid tank, I will only tank keys, and I will use my own key 99.9% of the time, because I like controlling who gets into my groups.....if brew survivability is fixed up a bit, I might main it in S2, it was my main for the whole last year of SL so I am in the mood try something new....also I dont like having 900 keybinds

[tame jasper]

good point

[strong forum]

It's pretty hard to suck on DF prot

[modern brook]

Never stopped people before tbh

How many people were here in s2 bfa that were ass?

[pallid quiver]

i mean

i've been running into prot warriors using whirlwind

while healing on my evoker

and who have been getting chunked for more than the DPS somehow

never underestimate the incapable

[mighty valley]

I think it's always possible to suck at prot

There are folks who spend all rage on IP and come here to ask why they don't feel strong

[modern brook]

Yah crom called me out when I said it was hard to fuck up a talent build and uhhhhhh prepatch had shown me otherwise

[sage vapor]

who's got the stance dance macro

[mighty valley]

i tried a stance macro and ended up preferring two buttons

made sure i could never ever possibly switch to the wrong stance

[warm plinth]

Pins has it

[sage vapor]

got it, thank you

[scenic olive]

Yeah i mean why even have a discord for bad warriors to come to, why not make that a private party as well. Oh wait that is the idea to grow the comunity and make the new warriors better by giving them advice and knowledge such a crazy concept i know.

[warm plinth]

wat

[solar blade]

ive did the event dungeon yesterday on my 258 prot and did same dmg as my 3dps together

[warm plinth]

Sounds about right

[solar blade]

crazy actually

insert futurama meme here

[warm plinth]

Maybe you should be worse at prot

[wise adder]

most people who do that dungeon barely have 190 ilvl

[mighty valley]

yeah it's literally tuned for fresh 60s

[wise adder]

not much to say

[solar blade]

they had over 250

[warm plinth]

let the man flex smh

[solar blade]

every single person

its weird, either nobody did a thing or its prot crazy

[warm plinth]

Don't worry Maitre, I see you

I love and support you

[solar blade]

!!

one love ghash

[warm plinth]

[pallid quiver]

doing uldaman was very funny

people with like 270 ilvl getting chonked as tanks

[warm plinth]

I only did it once and it was on my gigatrap evoker

[pallid quiver]

meanwhile, i literally solo'd it on my warrior without hp going below maybe 97%

actually, lies

i went down a bit lower when i ran into the time stop door

[warm plinth]

why you lying

[pallid quiver]

and had like seven packs on me

because i'm old and have a bad memory

already a foot in the grave

[warm plinth]

how old are you

[pallid quiver]

27

that's like 40 years too old

[warm plinth]

You're a baby compared to me

I'm what they call in the trade old af

[lyric geode]

Can we all agree that protection warrior is the most fun to play, but the most difficult spec to get into?

[warm plinth]

I agree with the first part, but can't agree with the second part

Hardest tank to get into probably

But not spec overall

[full copper]

I’m fresh prot warrior, what makes it difficult?

[inner hound]

I've played all but brew and prot war was the easiest to learn I think

[warm plinth]

It just has a higher than average skill floor.

Screw up and it matters more than if you screw up on most other tanks

[heavy temple]

Are you guys going for any professions for prot specifically? I thought just staying engi (cant live without wormhole generators) and alchi to get increased phial duration.

[warm plinth]

That's a solid combo

[heavy temple]

What specifcally?

I find prot pretty easy, because you can always just spam SB and IP

[warm plinth]

Not keeping shield block up, not spending your rage (frequently overcapping), prioritizing IP over revenge, etc.

[heavy temple]

Yeah, thats true, but dk/brm is currently a lot harder

[warm plinth]

In DF that's probably true

In SL it wasn't

[heavy temple]

yes

I thought we were talking about DF

😄

[warm plinth]

Well it's just an awkward time to discuss this kind of thing I guess XD

[heavy temple]

in SL it was harder, but in DF it feels like druid except IF is split into IP And SB

A good IP Wa goes a fucking long way

[warm plinth]

I've literally never tracked IP on prot warrior

[heavy temple]

Why?

[warm plinth]

Don't need to

You have to press it to not waste rage so it takes care of itself

[heavy temple]

Hmm

[mighty valley]

Really rare that your current IP status affects your decision on whether to cast it or not

[warm plinth]

And it was even more the case in previous iterations (e.g. BFA and Legion prot warrior, both cases where we were absolutely drowning in rage)

Legion was especially egregious

Late legion that is

[heavy temple]

Yeah probably, I am still used to pre patch with Necro

[mighty valley]

Yeah, it's just keep up SB forever, press IP to avoid overcapping rage, otherwise you're slamming revenge... except for the very rare cases where you really need to live through a huge tankbuster

[heavy temple]

and you having so much rage, unless you do very high keys, you can easily keep IP going while spamming revenge

[heavy temple]

Hmm, but in that case, why isnt tracking IP important?

Because you know when to press IP vs Revenge

[warm plinth]

Because in that case it's more just pressing IP twice instead of IP once and Revenge once

[heavy temple]

Sorry if im dumb

[warm plinth]

You can track it if you want, it's not a bad thing to do. I just never have

[mighty valley]

It just doesn't need to take up screen real estate - you know the cases in advance when you need to double tap IP even if it might mean you miss a revenge

[warm plinth]

as long as you understand that tracking it is not going to actually result in any decision making outside of edge cases

[heavy temple]

Hmm

okay, mybe I need to rethink. I was tracking IP, and until its value/duration got low

I just spammed revenge

[warm plinth]

Have you checked logs of yours?

[heavy temple]

but thats probably a low key thing ( I just got to 20-22s this patch)

[warm plinth]

To see if you're wasting rage without realizing it

[mighty valley]

IP is extremely rage inefficient, and missing revenge casts means you miss shield slam reset opportunities

[heavy temple]

I'll do that

[mighty valley]

you should be filling every GCD with SS/TC/Revenge in 99% of cases regardless

[warm plinth]

I'd like to fill all your GCDs

😊

[mighty valley]

😊

[heavy temple]

Ill be back in a minute

and leave you guys to your business

[warm plinth]

lmao

you're so considerate

[heavy temple]

Hmm, is that true for beta?

I thought the we are currently so spammy due to necro

(I'm not arguing against you, I just want to understand...)

[mighty valley]

We're currently spammy with banner because we have to do that AND press IP nearly constantly to avoid overcapping

Especially during Last Stand with the conduit, where overcapping is nearly guaranteed even if you mash everything you can

[heavy temple]

Yeah

[mighty valley]

In earlier seasons of SL, we were still filling every GCD, we just didn't press IP as often

The trap is to press IP too much, starve yourself of rage, miss Revenge casts, and thus miss SS resets, which means less overall rage economy

[heavy temple]

Okay

I think I understand

So you guys are not tracking IP because you roughly know how much dmg you'll take

Thanks for all the info guys 😄

[pallid quiver]

... sorta

Again, it's really you press IP to avoid overcapping rage, which happens a lot more often than you think

For a DF example, it is not uncommon during Avatar with UF to have GCDs of SS - TC - SS - TC - SS - TC

[lyric geode]

Ok, but dk is just a mastery of rotation. Reactive tanking is easier than proactive.

[pallid quiver]

and you just never get a chance to press revenge to spend that rage

so you press IP to not waste it

[mighty valley]

Proactive tanking was a little harder when 100% shield block uptime wasn't basically guaranteed

[warm plinth]

Mmm, not really in my opinion. Proactive tanking is only challenging when your cooldowns actually matter.

Like we easily maintain 100% shield block uptime right now. That takes a lot of the challenge out of it.

[pallid quiver]

proactive's only hard when you don't know what's coming up

[warm plinth]

Meanwhile on BDK you have to know when you can safely press death strike and when you might need to pool a bit.

[lyric geode]

True, so SL protection warrrior is harder than DF protection warrior

[warm plinth]

BDK is actually fairly challenging right now (in DF). It wasn't during the tier set though; it was a meme then.

[pallid quiver]

hey kids have you ever heard of heart strike?

[lyric geode]

Exactly, given that having a sustain self-healing is so crucial rn in wow.

[mighty valley]

you strike my heart

[warm plinth]

I just had heart strike bound to every key on the keyboard

except 1, which was DRW

[lyric geode]

I just tested dk blood from my friend's account. I was not impressed by its rotation.

Everything feels so scripted

[warm plinth]

Raider.io won't show the second page of my characters 😦

[round delta]

I tried warrior and dkb to decide what to main and i found that warrior was more funny, solid, and maybe easy. I hope blizzard will not destroy it during the tiers

[pallid quiver]

if they do blizz has decided they hate us or the fotm crew

[lyric geode]

Bdk is definitely more easy imho.

[mighty valley]

Simple stick with prot warrior through thick and thin

[pallid quiver]

We're not the best tank in any major overall regard. We're still definitely bangin', though

[pallid quiver]

I cannot name a single individual who would agree with you atm

[lyric geode]

for this reason.

[lyric geode]

I understand.

[mighty valley]

The only two tough things about prot warrior in beta imo are 1) overall you gotta press a lot of buttons, and 2) knowing when you should hold our very frequent CDs versus just sending

the rotation doesn't have like. decision making in it really

[pallid quiver]

me press ss

me get rage

face on keyboard

warrior stonk

[lyric geode]

I dont understand. Isnt decision making shield wall, last stand , demoralising shout?

[pallid quiver]

nope

Demo Shout used on CD for booming

[lyric geode]

:(

[pallid quiver]

Last Stand is lol

Shield Wall is used on cd unless, for once in your life, the one neglected brain cell says "wait hold this for five seconds"

[lyric geode]

Last stand increase our hps through indominable

[pallid quiver]

because you want shield wall on cd to get more uses of shield wall from AM

[mighty valley]

yeah occasionally you need to hold SW because the next pack is worse or whatever

[pallid quiver]

it's a pitifully weak cooldown in terms of what it does in comparison to like, anything else

[mighty valley]

but we get it SO frequently

[pallid quiver]

it is, in fact, something to use

but it's just not strong at all

And since we don't need Bolster, we just, like,

save it in case the healer goes afk for a week and we didn't get impending victory, i guess

[mighty valley]

all through SL, last stand was sent on cd for the rage income

[lyric geode]

Is bdk decision making more impactful? DRW, spend bone shield?

[round delta]

Yes

[pallid quiver]

By a good margin

[mighty valley]

i don't know BDKs very well but sometimes it seems like they need to think about spending RP

[pallid quiver]

If you don't properly manage and spend stacks while being positioned properly (In DnD), your damage and survival go big down

And pooling RP sometimes is necessary to avoid getting globalled or mechanic'd

[round delta]

Warrior is more chill gameplay

[lyric geode]

I think they make a super easy addon for bdks in 9.2 . It was so railroaded they actually did it.

[pallid quiver]

Their CDs are also generally more interactive than Prot's by sheer virtue of Vampiric existing

bdk in 9.2 was literal brain dead

[warm plinth]

yeah 9.2 BDK and DF BDK are night and day tbh

[pallid quiver]

you got aggro, pressed drw, then

hey kids, you wanna pretend to be an arcane mage?

[lyric geode]

Ah my bad. I am stack on 9.2 then.

[pallid quiver]

heart strike heart strike heart strike heart strike

Yeah, BDK is much more back in line with having to think and manage resources

which made the general fotm crowd think bdk was pee-pee poo-poo when beta came out

[mighty valley]

BDK and BM had the most warping tier sets

[pallid quiver]

because they couldn't mash their face into heart strike and do the damage of the gods

[lyric geode]

fotm ?

[pallid quiver]

Flavor of the Month

[lyric geode]

Ah, ok

[pallid quiver]

Generally used to refer to specs that people play the most thinking they're the most powerful

[lyric geode]

I hate those folks.

It makes my blood boil.

[round delta]

Metagame slaves

[pallid quiver]

Prot War is currently fotm at the moment, and is also notable for not actually being the strongest overall tank while being fotm

[mighty valley]

i think we're fading from being fotm after tuning, all tanks are strong but we're not the clear #1

[pallid quiver]

It's just easy to play, so people see it do numbers over better tanks that people are playing wrong

[round delta]

Is dudu, isnt it?

[pallid quiver]

Doodad or Monk are generally considered the top-ish end

[lyric geode]

It is always a druid.

[pallid quiver]

DK's unkillable but doesn't match their damage (still more than War)

VDH is also still good even after its nerfs

[mighty valley]

druid is probably the best balance of easy to play and strong, monk needs brainpower again

[lyric geode]

Honestly, they should make a contract that you cant play another class for 4 months or somethehell. I hate how there is no loyalty to the class anymore. Usually Arms hate Fury, but now with the fotm, it isnt the case anymore.

[pallid quiver]

I don't mind people swapping to the strongest spec to play or anything like that,

[mighty valley]

i don't really care, my whole guild is just people who play what they like

[round delta]

I prefer that rather that the people who forced YOU to not play whatever you want because is low tier in ranks

[pallid quiver]

I mind all the people who do so without any amount of thinking, play poorly, have no understanding of the mechanics, and swing into communities whether they be forums, in-game, discords, what have you, and say blatantly stupid shit, like arguing with guide writers about things about the class, and citing the guide writer's own guide as justification

[round delta]

I hate this kind of people

I was in a guild in Sl that didnt let me play BM hunter

Forced me to play MM

[pallid quiver]

I'd have just left, tbh, but I also haven't been in a guild since MoP

so it's very easy for me to say "just do it lmao"

[lyric geode]

Look, there was a rivalry with arms and fury, marksmanship and beastmastery. But right now? Everyone is trying to play fotm. For example, people wouldnt change from fury to arms even if it gave 100% dmg back in the old wow. RN, even 1% increase dmg difference is enough for people to change.

I remember back then how broken bm was on bfa. I still played mm, and I still hate my guts bm.

[pallid quiver]

in the old wow communities i knew, people thought you were trolling if you went arms in pve since the people i knew were like Arms = PvP, Fury = PvE, and you played class

[lyric geode]

exactly, people wouldnt change.

[mighty valley]

it's stupid to base your play decisions on misleading charts, but it's also hard to stop people from doing it if they have that mindset

[warm plinth]

It's a different generation of gamers. Not everyone has the time that we had back in the day. If meta gets them invited faster, that's what they're gonna play.

[round delta]

For my experience; play a funny class for you, its better to play the fotm

[pallid quiver]

my point was actually that they changed all the time for content

[lyric geode]

Is it normal to hate my guts out of bm?

[pallid quiver]

It's abnormal to like any of the Hunter specs

[warm plinth]

And if you're doing keys with a group, it's just better for you to play a stronger spec as long as you can play it decently because you'll have more success

[pallid quiver]

bastards pull everything

rat around

[lyric geode]

MM was so fucking good. Especially wod mm

[pallid quiver]

damn hunters

ruining my runs

[warm plinth]

I don't find BM to be very exciting but playing MM is like watching paint dry to me

[lyric geode]

MM isnt like that. That is BM mentality.

[obsidian path]

HFC mm with tier set

[lyric geode]

:O

[obsidian path]

That was the shit to me

[warm plinth]

Aimed Shot is the dumbest ability in WoW

[obsidian path]

Still got old vids of mythic kills

[lyric geode]

I would fucking jizz if they reintroduce wod mm with tier set of HFC.

[warm plinth]

You know that thing I do automatically without pressing any buttons? Well I'm gonna do that but it's gonna take 2 seconds to concentrate first.

[obsidian path]

Chimera as a spender

[pallid quiver]

gotta queue up your sick 360 no scope headshot for the twitter clip, tho

[mighty valley]

the rest of my shots are NOT aimed

[lyric geode]

also , make mastery like wod mastery. That you have to stay still. It is much more impactful.

[obsidian path]

Sniper training was great too

[languid stream]

Prot Warr or VDH for primarily pugging 10s-15s? Been so torn the past two weeks. I know that Prot got it's survivability stepped up with DF

[lyric geode]

Agree.

Hello fellow hunter.

[pallid quiver]

every tank got its survivability upped by a good margin in DF

[warm plinth]

Literally will not matter at all either way at that key range @languid stream Whichever one is more fun/thematically pleasing to you

[obsidian path]

Basically if you know what you would do and where you should be in the next 6 sec, you were a great mm hunter

[mighty valley]

literally whatever seems more fun to you

[pallid quiver]

neither will die in that key range

[warm plinth]

Both are invincible at that range

[languid stream]

Awesome, ty all

[pallid quiver]

So yeah, literally whatever will make you play the game

[obsidian path]

I am a warrior since the end of HFC

[lyric geode]

EXACTLY, POSITIONING WAS EVERYTHING FOR MM. Right now, people could just flip jump and do dmg.

That is why my hatred towards bm.

[pallid quiver]

If you get real turned on by elf girls with horns or something and that'll get you to play, first off don't tell me, second that sounds like you're playing a DH

[warm plinth]

BM is quite boring too, tbf. But at least I can run around like a spazoid while I'm being bored

[obsidian path]

I hate the new mm with rapid fire n shit

Gimme wod mm with tier set gameplay

[lyric geode]

It is somewhat dishonest, but it is fun somehow.

[warm plinth]

Honestly rapid fire is what MM should be, thematically

They're supposed to be robin hood; they should be slinging the fuck out of arrows

[obsidian path]

Naah

[warm plinth]

Not standing there for 2 seconds concentrating

[obsidian path]

I want a calm sniper, not a machinegun

[lyric geode]

What I didnt like about mm was on legion.

[pallid quiver]

I think MM should be about setting up the MLG moments

[lyric geode]

I can agree on that.

[warm plinth]

If you want a calm sniper, just stand there and auto attack and watch your arrows fire every 2.6 seconds

[pallid quiver]

you get damage buffs if you jump and spin during aimed shot casts

[lime urchin]

Wait what? How did this turn in a hunter discord?

Where revenj?

[obsidian path]

I hate that there are two archetypes in mm

[pallid quiver]

People with brain cells came in

brought IQ to our chat

[warm plinth]

Or actually, @obsidian path they could make MM have empowered casts (called something else) like evoker

That might be cool

[obsidian path]

Legolas machinegun and vassily sniper

Lemme pick one

[lyric geode]

I always prefer guns on my transmog

[mighty valley]

assassination rogue is the hardest to achieve theme wise - i'm gonna sneak in and kill my target without them knowing i was ever there. by standing there and stabbing them for 5 minutes

[warm plinth]

They'd need more exciting animations though because aimed shot is still dumb

lol you're not wrong there

[lyric geode]

Also, transmog HFC was so DOPED.

[warm plinth]

Let me poison you but then stab you for 5 mins to make sure you die because honestly my poison skills ain't the greatest.

[lyric geode]

Rarely, they make so good transmog for hunters.

[obsidian path]

Was a hunter main since I was doing much archery irl, now I'm a warrior since I do some fencing 🤺

[mighty valley]

my poisons will kill you... but only a little bit, 20 seconds at a time. i gotta keep them fresh

[warm plinth]

World's most inefficient poisons smh

[lyric geode]

Understandable.

I did my "mandatory" military conscription, and I have my way on guns.

[obsidian path]

Tanked a bit with a friend healer yesterday. Prot is awesome
Even if (I don't count on it) prot doesn't pull great numbers, it will at least be fun !

[lyric geode]

Agree.

[obsidian path]

Was yelled at by a random because I wasn't going the 'right' route on a +5

[lyric geode]

Kewk

[obsidian path]

It's great to tell people to fuck off, politely

[pallid quiver]

"politely"

the right route on a +5 is "W"

[lyric geode]

Generally, since you are the tank, people shut up once you mentioned them.

[pallid quiver]

and anyone who says otherwise is not worthy of courtesy

[lyric geode]

I always like this inherited authority. That is why I switched to tanking.

[pallid quiver]

Either people are still learning routes, or you're an entitled shithead who shouldn't have even brought along, or anything else. There's no reason to act demanding in a key that low

[lyric geode]

Am I douchebag?

[pallid quiver]

no, not you

I was referring to the people yelling about the "right" route on a +5

there's no reason to be that guy at that level of key

[pallid quiver]

The ones from this comment here

[lyric geode]

No, no. I was mentioning if I am a douchebag because I like the inherited authority I have, since I play tank.

[pallid quiver]

i mean maybe

that's not context enough to tell anything

If you like it just because it lets you boss people around, that's a bit of an asshole move. If you like it because it lets you control the pace of play to something you feel more comfortable to, that's perfectly fine.

[lyric geode]

Probably both. I like judging people from their mistakes. And also I like to play with my own pace.

[warm plinth]

I mean judge people if you will but calling people out in dungeons is very impolite in my opinion. If you were forced to play with that person all the time, then it would probably be acceptable, but you can literally never play with that person again if you don't want to, so calling them out is needlessly toxic

I judge people all the time, doesn't mean I feel the need to tell them what I'm thinking

[mighty grail]

^

[pallid quiver]

i have not told a single whirlwinding prot warrior what i thought of their rotational choices

It's not like I vetted them to ensure we have the same playing goals, so they're allowed to do so

[warm plinth]

If someone is doing something that is hindering our progress (e.g. failing a mechanic that they need to be doing to ensure that we don't wipe), then I can bring it up to them politely in a whisper

And it'll have better results than calling them out in front of the party in a douchey manner will

[pallid quiver]

if i wanted to ensure that was not the case, i vet them to make certain we have the same goals in entering an instance so less compromises need to be made

[warm plinth]

It's like the saying "you catch more flies with honey"

not sure if that's common outside the US

[hazy thicket]

Don't think geography has anything to do with it. A lot of people stop seeing teammates as people when they are randomly assigned a group over the internet

[warm plinth]

No I mean the saying

[hazy thicket]

It's the same psychology behind road rage

[lyric geode]

I mean, if you dont do the mechanic properly. It is logical to blame them.

[hazy thicket]

Cars aren't people

[warm plinth]

Freebetspins is greek, so I wasn't sure he'd know the saying

[hazy thicket]

And they don't think 'hey there is someone driving that'

[lyric geode]

How do you know?

[warm plinth]

Because you spoke in greek earlier

[lyric geode]

fuck....

[hazy thicket]

Yeah fair play, i get you

[pallid quiver]

man's gettin' profiled over here

[lyric geode]

shit, I have to change my nickname on discord.

[warm plinth]

You can blame them, but what are you really accomplishing by actually telling them hey this is your faullt

[bleak scroll]

Does punish only affect the enemy you shield slam? The wording is confusing me a li'l bit. Zug zug brain and all

[warm plinth]

Most people don't react positively to being blamed for something, even if it actually is your fault.

[lyric geode]

The only thing you dont know about me is where do I live ffs.

[warm plinth]

And there are ways to assign blame without being a dick about it

[slim dove]

yes

[tulip kelp]

What’s everyone’s favorite way to track shield block?

[pallid quiver]

a bar

[warm plinth]

I'm a bar person personally

[pallid quiver]

like a basic WA with a bar of remaining duration

[warm plinth]

Progress bars are life

[tulip kelp]

Yeah I’d love a bar, is there a weak aura for that?

[pallid quiver]

i also have number on bar for double down

[warm plinth]

Afenar's has a bar to track it

[pallid quiver]

i made one with the built in wizard for WA

just progress bar, aura, etc

[tulip kelp]

Ok perfect.. most people use afenar then?

[warm plinth]

Not sure about most but his WAs are convenient since it's everything in one

He even has them categorized now so if there are some you don't want, it's easy to get rid of them

[mighty valley]

the lil buff icon on my own nameplate is enough for me

[tulip kelp]

Do you guys track the outbursts too?

[tulip kelp]

Is that a plater thing?

[mighty valley]

it's on the default UI too but I'm using plater just now

[warm plinth]

I'm assuming he means his unit frmae, not his nameplate

frame

[mighty valley]

the healthbar literally on my character

with the little buff icons above it

[pallid quiver]

The new little resource tracker thing?

[warm plinth]

Yeah, that's a unit frame :p

[pallid quiver]

That came with DF?

[warm plinth]

Nameplates are the things above enemies with their health

[pallid quiver]

there's a new UI element that's neither of those you can turn on; it also tracks SB uptime

[mighty valley]

i thought unit frames were like... the party/raid bars, default left of screen

[pallid quiver]

It's like the resource bar thing

[warm plinth]

Those are also unit frames, yes

[mighty valley]

personal resource tracker has been on the default UI for years

[pallid quiver]

the one at your feet?

oh shit if so

[warm plinth]

yep

[tulip kelp]

Hmm I might check that out can you customize what it shows?

[warm plinth]

Been around for a long time

[mighty valley]

it's not very customizable without addons but the defaults are honestly pretty good

[pallid quiver]

damn

[mighty valley]

plater tracks like EVERYTHING until you tell it not to

[warm plinth]

One of the very common questions in the rogue discord is "how do I get rid of this thing below my toon" 😂

[pallid quiver]

I might've not gotten as used to WA if I knew that was a thing. It wasn't a thing in Pandaland time, was it?

[mighty valley]

yeah might've been a legion ui rework? i don't remember

[pallid quiver]

because that's when i moved full time over to elvui/WA kinda stuff

[warm plinth]

I don't know if I'll ever be able to really use weakauras

I can use a couple for tracking buffs and stuff but I cannot use them for rotation at all

It messes with me

[obsidian path]

Same, I like the simple stock ui

With wa for tracking

[coral marsh]

you can just use weakauras as an enhancement for your action bars

that's how i like them, auras directly above the button

[mighty valley]

I do enough video game scripting at my job to want to do it for wow

[coral marsh]

after a while it's just copy and paste, but the initial setup surely is annoying

[warm plinth]

Yeah I generally have a WA suite because I'm a basic bitch but I only use like 2 or 3 WAs out of that suite

[sweet summit]

love weak auras

[round delta]

Y only hace 2 WA. Ignore pain counter and shield block, to see when to refresh it

[outer thorn]

One plater feature id like but i dont know if its possible is to have any plate with a cast bar to get sorted to the top of the stack of plates (to make it easier to spot a cast in a big group of mobs)

[drifting juniper]

guys

i was not playing wow for 4 months

is there anyway i can have my old classic UI back

[acoustic grotto]

yea there is an addon which doing that

[drifting juniper]

do you have the name for it

i really cant stand this new one

[acoustic grotto]

ClassicUI maybe?

(I dont know i like the new UI, but i know there is addon which do what you want)

[drifting juniper]

ok

[acoustic grotto]

Google can help you more than i, i think xD

[drifting juniper]

you helped a lot thanks, i didnt know there was an addon for it

[round delta]

i see in a Tattman stream that he has 2 charge in shield wall

but i haven using a wowhead mithyc talents

its worth to take this talent?

[lyric geode]

No. It is too much to be fair.

Probably because he is testing new content.

[round delta]

he is doing 29 lower karazhan

i guess 29 is hard stuff

[jagged pier]

its very niche

upper kara probs one of the places u take

[round delta]

i see

just in places with lot of damage taken?

just to understand

when to use it

[jagged pier]

no

only in places where u have to take heavy damage back to back

mediveh

for instance

[round delta]

hmm i see

thanks 🙂

[lyric geode]

My humble question. Will there be a valor system in the start of m+?

Also, I guess now the end gear would be from 20s instead of 15s. I can understand that with m+ they overinflated end game gear.

Are 20s the same difficult as 20s in s1 SL?

[cobalt seal]

No

Maybe harder but who knows

[lyric geode]

Isnt beta quite a while?

[autumn atlas]

We were testing at a relatively low ilvl on the beta. Roughly we were the equivalent of about 260ish ilvl I think. Doing 20’s at that ilvl was something only the top 1% or so we’re going to be doing. But, it’s hard to say how the difficultly will compare with live once people are in a little better gear.

[winged creek]

Any cool things you can craft as a blacksmith?

[flint cliff]

Wonder if blacksmith is even necessary? You can get everything through that new crafting order system anyway. Or am i wrong?

[astral crystal]

you can, it's just a little more expensive relying on others

[limpid anchor]

Unless you are in a guild

[flint cliff]

Thats the question. Maybe mining and farming the materials will be cheaper anyway rather than skilling blacksmith to max. depending on how much commissions crafters will take.

[orchid torrent]

im betting in the first month will be a shit show

[haughty meteor]

Yeah I want that.

[flint cliff]

I think supply and demand will lower the commissions quick.

So that for the average raider or mythic plus gamer ordering gear through that crafting order system might be less expensive and time consuming than skilling the professions to max Level.

[orchid torrent]

depends on the server.. its still server specific, so if you are not a huge server then its not going down so soon

[glossy torrent]

Is there a good YouTube channel you'd recommend for someone switching to Prot Warrior for Dragonflight?

[spring umbra]

I can’t recall but did shadowlands open up early or right on time on launch?

[glossy torrent]

Pretty sure it was bang on time

[spring umbra]

Maybe im thinking of another mmo launch that release a few hrs early

Yea

[tender cove]

I'm tempted to just go to bed in a couple hours but that means the entire week will be royally fucked sleep wise xD

[jagged pier]

imma gunna be doing that, but that because im ill and i want to stay up late

[tender cove]

@strong forum I'm using your WA for prot but it also enables the rage bar for other chars and I'm also getting errors for the ignore pain aura.

[sinful pewter]

Question regarding execute rotation.
With the tier set, will we continue to revenge to keep up %damage and IP gain during execute for: both situations, either, or neither?

1. Jugg
2. Punish

[round delta]

speaking about professions, i've clear that i'll go Alchemy but i don't know if do engine and let farming stuff for an alter (mining and herb) or just going alch herb. And let enginering stuff like the reset for healer o whatever

humm doubts

and speaking about this. I need to take now in ogri the professions or in the drake islands?

to recolect stuff leveling

[tender cove]

if you have the stomach for it, get herb/mining on a druid or with that mount. and have something else for main. If you wanna make more gold on mats

[blazing condor]

surely they'll do lots for archaeology this xpac

[round delta]

i've the golem. I can maybe recolect stuff with and the classic alter/main

all the people says that this expa is good for an "alter-main"

like a alter friendly expa

and the alchemy and engin for main

[sweet summit]

check load settings for rage bar
what kind of errors are you getting from the IP aura

[tender cove]

Yeh, i was looking into that and it appears to have the selection correct but I still get a 10000 rage bar on paladin.
The error comes when I tried to load the whole WA on my paladin. Not sure if I get same error on warrior.
Want me to post the whole bugsack error somewhere?

[sweet summit]

yes please

just post a screenshot of it here

[tender cove]

1x Lua error in aura 'Ignore Pain Tracker': init
WeakAuras Version: 5.2.0
Aura Version: 1.1.0
[string "return function() local numberOfDecimalPlac..."]:67: attempt to index a nil value
[string "return function() local numberOfDecimalPlaces = false"]:67: in function `parseIgnorePainTooltipValue'
[string "return function() local numberOfDecimalPlaces = false"]:73: in function <[string "return function() local numberOfDecimalPlac..."]:1>
[string "=[C]"]: in function `xpcall'
[string "@WeakAuras/AuraEnvironment.lua"]:374: in function `ActivateAuraEnvironment'
[string "@WeakAuras/GenericTrigger.lua"]:805: in function `CreateFakeStates'
[string "@WeakAuras/WeakAuras.lua"]:4176: in function `UpdateFakeStatesFor'
[string "@WeakAuras/WeakAuras.lua"]:4152: in function `FakeStatesFor'
[string "@WeakAurasOptions/AceGUI-Widgets/AceGUIWidget-WeakAurasDisplayButton.lua"]:1442: in function `SyncVisibility'
[string "@WeakAurasOptions/AceGUI-Widgets/AceGUIWidget-WeakAurasDisplayButton.lua"]:1468: in function `PriorityShow'
[string "@WeakAurasOptions/OptionsFrames/OptionsFrame.lua"]:1334: in function `PickDisplay'
[string "@WeakAurasOptions/WeakAurasOptions.lua"]:1183: in function `PickDisplay'
[string "@WeakAurasOptions/AceGUI-Widgets/AceGUIWidget-WeakAurasDisplayButton.lua"]:511: in function <...eGUI-Widgets/AceGUIWidget-WeakAurasDisplayButton.lua:464>

[sweet summit]

that works too

[hazy thicket]

All gathering professions have perks for faster gathering and gathering while mounted now

[sweet summit]

rage bar is easily fixed by doing this

and i don't get any IP errors on my paladin

[tender cove]

The aura looks like this:
But it would still load for paladin, once I clicked it off and reapplied it, it works. Not sure why

should have posted the details where I shame woli yd xD

[sweet summit]

the rage bar individual aura had no load spec active so it would always load no matter what

[tender cove]

ohh, fair enough.

[strong forum]

ill upload a new version

[sweet summit]

i can't tell what's causing the IP error idk

[strong forum]

depends on when he downloaded the pack

i had it remade 2/3 weeks ago

[tender cove]

I downloaded it from beta but been updating it with companion app

i checked for updates before posting the error, it was no new version @strong forum

[strong forum]

must be some new shit then after todays wow update

im not getting any errors

🤔

[tender cove]

the error is consistent. I get it everytime i open WA and click the package.

But i only get it on paladin, not on warrior.

Which i guess in the end doesn't really matter

[strong forum]

works on my machine

i sent an update so try that

[tender cove]

Yes sir

Updated to 1.1.1 and no more lua errors on paladin. Well done mr boss man 😄

[strong forum]

[warm plinth]

@ionic fern headed to bed but hi ily

[tender cove]

First expo launch in like 5 years for me. The hype is real today 😄

I just want to sleep so the hours go faster xD

[sweet summit]

remember to stay hydrated

[sacred flare]

Hydrated with mountain dew

[sweet summit]

water

[jagged pier]

water

only way

[undone walrus]

Anyone got a Shockwave/Stormbolt all in one button? depending if you have the talent choosen or not

[jagged pier]

i mean u should have them both for m+ at 70

not 1 or the other

so they should be seperate binds

[undone walrus]

ty

[sacred flare]

Anyone know some good tank plates the defaunt ui debuff is to small and does not seem to have a timer

[blazing condor]

are we still not able to move target cast bars?

[sacred flare]

No need more for focus debuffs. I make the off tanks focus so i can watch for tank debuffs

[tender cove]

Good thing actually. Gonna go buy something besides the 4 redbull i bought xD

[sweet summit]

what jakey said but also

/cast [known:Shockwave]Shockwave; [known:Storm Bolt]Storm Bolt```

can u not just drink tap water

[strong forum]

funny thing is, this doesnt work for me with spear vs roar

i couldnt make the macro work

[sweet summit]

/cast [known:384318]Thunderous Roar; [known:376079,@cursor]Spear of Bastion```

does that not work for you

[strong forum]

didnt work when i tried it no

lemme try again

[sweet summit]

only reason i can see it not working is if you were kyrian or some shit

[strong forum]

was on beta

[sweet summit]

hmmge

[strong forum]

but i guess my syntax was fucked

this works but doesnt update the tooltip

[sweet summit]

it does for me

[strong forum]

🤷‍♂️

🍝

[undone walrus]

ty Erga for that

[quasi heath]

You're a hero.

[sweet summit]

🫡

[modern brook]

you should be able to do the same line w/o cast on the #showtooltip line

althought its a weird bool check because the talents arent exclusive

[sweet summit]

what

[minor helm]

[sweet summit]

wtf

[modern brook]

the macro says "if troar is known troar, else if Spear is known Spear"

but it doesnt handle the corner case where both are known

or well it probably does

it probably just tries to cast them in order

[sweet summit]

if both are known it will cast the first one available

and if the first one is on cooldown it will not cast the second one

[modern brook]

wild

[mellow quartz]

its not a cast sequence macro

[sweet summit]

but i also don't think you ever play both (you will be giving up UF/capstone under TR/Spear)

[mellow quartz]

why wild?

[modern brook]

idts either, nom sim stream showed it pretty behind on the whole

[shell steeple]

Is protection warrior good ?

[modern brook]

no

(yes)

[sweet summit]

it owns

[shell steeple]

Oh 😥

[oak echo]

it's a top 6 tank

[mellow quartz]

trees are the best tank so top 7

[modern brook]

sorry im being contrarian

[shell steeple]

I’m new to prot warrior

[modern brook]

Prot is v good

[ocean bloom]

prot war is probably the best tank to start on

in its current state

you used to need to be a little smarter than a 3rd grader to get proper SB uptime, but now you dont 🙂

[sweet summit]

idr if i asked but are you playing df

[modern brook]

I am

[sweet summit]

pog

[blazing condor]

pog

[modern brook]

I might even tank lmao

[sweet summit]

pog

[blazing condor]

pog

[minor helm]

pog

[shell steeple]

What is SB time?

[sweet summit]

shield block uptime

[shell steeple]

I never use it

[sweet summit]

maintaining out active mitiagation

[modern brook]

this is a mistake

[blazing condor]

its our most important mitigation

always use it

(when needed)

[modern brook]

SB is like minimum a 60% DR on anything you can block

[sweet summit]

uh

[shell steeple]

Hmm but I never die - why spending rage on it

[sweet summit]

is it ac 60 with our block talents now

[mellow quartz]

this is a 'read a guide' answer

[blazing condor]

if you ever wanna try actual hard content then you need to use it

[mellow quartz]

if you ask that question its to long for discord lol

[modern brook]

I have to redo the math but its big

[blazing condor]

just because you dont die doing a +10 doesnt mean its not good to use

[rough solar]

Do we care about weapon damage/attack speed, or is it only dps/ilvl that matters?

[sweet summit]

ilvl/dps (they are the same thing)

[shell steeple]

Ok will read a guide

[rough solar]

Thanks

[shell steeple]

Thanks 🙏

[fierce field]

Sb also contributes to st damage with ss

[shell steeple]

ST SS?

[blazing condor]

single target / shield slam

[sweet summit]

single target
shield slam

[blazing condor]

shield block gives our shield slam more damage

[shell steeple]

Ahh

[mellow quartz]

just read a guide and come back here lol, you seem to lack some very basic understanding of prot warrior

better get that in first before asking questions

[shell steeple]

Indeed

[blazing condor]

guides convey this info better than we do here

so big recommend

[round delta]

But the guide aren't a dog with a crown

[modern brook]

tuh-RUE

[blazing condor]

not yet

[modern brook]

anyone know for sure if Brace for impact + Shield Spec are multiplicative in their affect on block?

[round delta]

For me is important, that i bind in a "hot key"

like the 6 ones are the big things for me

[sweet summit]

multiplicative i think? @strong forum help

[round delta]

My actual problem, ir maybe not a problem just a situation is when to use wall of shields. I usually use it in boss in mithyc plus but maybe with the reductions i should "spam"

[fierce field]

6 key bound? Yee

[round delta]

(maybe not in small pulls)

[modern brook]

are you logged in rn?

[sweet summit]

starting out you can generally just use it on cooldown

[blazing condor]

with anger management you can use shield wall very often cus it comes back fast

[strong forum]

theyre additive

[mellow quartz]

use shield wall on pull and it will be back up next pull (unless you are saving it for something specific)

[round delta]

hmm i see

[sweet summit]

tyvm orange man

[blazing condor]

with experience you'll know if you should save it or not

but its usually a short cd

[mellow quartz]

its like 55s on ST

[blazing condor]

better to overuse it when not needed than to hold it and never use it

[round delta]

is this anew thing? i mean, the waste of rage reducing our CD's are a dragonflight thing? it makes warrior more funny imo

[sweet summit]

ancient

[blazing condor]

been around for a long time

[strong forum]

or well

its 1.3*1.25

effectively

[mellow quartz]

that is not additive...

🙂

[blazing condor]

we're just hated in wow so no one wanted to play us and find out

[strong forum]

yes

[sweet summit]

hmm

[strong forum]

my miscall

[round delta]

I player prot warrior but doing dps in wotlk, was fun as fuck

[blazing condor]

it is fun