ya then its x2.25 or x2.5 cant remember
#protection
drifting pewter
do you guys happen to have an addon to show what stance you're in, and is there generally a point where we want to swap to battle? picking up prot again
craggy pilot
do you guys happen to have an addon to show what stance you're in, and is there ...
you basically want to be in Battle always
strong forum
you want to be in b-stance for as much as you can
craggy pilot
only swap to Def when you need it
and you dont need an addon for it, you can just move the stance bar with default UI
if totally neccesary you can make a WA for it
drifting pewter
oh I see, okay
ebon wren
whats the highest keys you guys have ran in battle stance
craggy pilot
whats the highest keys you guys have ran in battle stance
https://raider.io/mythic-plus-spec-rankings/season-sl-4-post/world/warrior/protection
seems some are doing 30+
strong forum
my highest was i believe 28
ebon wren
how do you determine stance nielsen
strong forum
only swapped to d-stance for 1 or 2 things
ebon wren
thats nuts nom
strong forum
is it?
craggy pilot
hmm just checked Tattman stream, and hes in D stance perma
ebon wren
for me :p
craggy pilot
on 27
warm plinth
hmm just checked Tattman stream, and hes in D stance perma
People who don't know how to play pwar are in dstance a lot 
strong forum
hes improved alot
ebon wren
Nom - 28 with DF scaling?
craggy pilot
People who don't know how to play pwar are in dstance a lot <:yep:70342092362507...
Tattman is #2 r.io protwarr though 😄
strong forum
its not DF scaling yet
thats just a bug
mobs have received a +22% buff
but its not DF scaling yet
and no, i havent done a retail key for like 3 weeks
warm plinth
Just because you do high keys doesn't mean you know how to play it. You can see that if you pay attention to high key streamers playing things like prot war and see how bad they are about keeping shield block uptime.
craggy pilot
but ye Tattman is in D stance perma, even when not in keys lol
craggy pilot
Just because you do high keys doesn't mean you know how to play it. You can see...
true, maybe their giga healers making up for the mistakes
ebon wren
well dungeons are considerably more difficult this week.
craggy pilot
and they dont need to pump deeps because they have giga pumpers too
but ye Bstance is more fun anyway
warm plinth
I'm not criticizing that person in particular because I don't know. I'm just saying he wouldn't be the first person to play something incorrectly in high keys.
strong forum
true, maybe their giga healers making up for the mistakes
thats the case for alot of high key players
craggy pilot
thats the case for *alot* of high key players
why are we not high key players then sadge
with all our pwar knowledge
strong forum
cuz cba
warm plinth
gotta have 4 other people 😂
marble cipher
cause we lack the giga healers 😄
ebon wren
you guys are actually criticising tatt
craggy pilot
sitting d-stance and running BSV is just boring though
strong forum
pushing keys is a serious time commitment
craggy pilot
out dpsing my damage on every 2nd key is more fun that running ultra safe
warm plinth
No one is criticizing anyone. We're just stating facts that you don't need defensive stance in high keys, regardless if some streamers are playing that way.
craggy pilot
is outdpsing damage still possible in DF Nome? or did we lose too much power with Banner gone?
craggy pilot
ye it always did, im just thinking if the DPS gap is bigger than it was in Shadowlands?
outer thorn
from the beta keys ive seen on streams dps are regularly doing at least double the damage of tanks
craggy pilot
from the beta keys ive seen on streams dps are regularly doing at least double t...
that was usually the case in Shadowlands aswell, unless it was a Pwarr who knew what they were doing
i remember being like 10k dps when other people were 13-14k dps
in S3 i think
craggy pilot
looks like healing is way less damage focused in DF now tho
with the 40% thingie
and no more Covenant abilities doing damage in Keys
blazing condor
Idk Maybe toxic trait but i know i could be a top pwarr if i had the team and time
unique loom
Wait, I always stay in defensive stance cause it makes the job easier for healer
Is that not the play?
craggy pilot
Wait, I always stay in defensive stance cause it makes the job easier for healer
you can
but it is not neccesary
unique loom
Interesting
strong forum
youre always 100% hp anyway
craggy pilot
your healers job is already easy if you have SB
craggy pilot
be 110% noime
unique loom
I need WA for keeping track of that, I always forget
craggy pilot
just pick indom 😉
unique loom
But I'm new to warrior, so I'm sure I'll get used to it
craggy pilot
I need WA for keeping track of that, I always forget
keeping track of what?
unique loom
SB òr whatever
strong forum
always keep in the back of your mind, all the time youre not in b-stance you deal 14% less damage
craggy pilot
SB òr whatever
if you just click it on CD, and click SS on CD, then you will have it up 99%+
if you run HR i mean
and Enduring Defenses
strong forum
goal is to be in b-stance as much as possible
craggy pilot
always keep in the back of your mind, all the time youre not in b-stance you dea...
is it 14%? 😮
unique loom
SS?
strong forum
thats the min-maxing of pwar in DF
unique loom
Oh
strong forum
is it 14%? 😮
3% crit, and 11% relative more dmg than in d-stance
craggy pilot
3% crit, and 11% relative more dmg than in d-stance
ah ye 10% dmg reduce and 3% crit i see now
forgot the 10% dmg reduce is a thing in D stance
fk that shit lol 😄
strong forum
also
the 10% dmg reduction from d-stance
applies to trinkets and dmg procs aswell
its not just class damage, its all damage
so if you have a dmg trinket like salvaged fusion amp or earthbreaker or w/e
you better use it in b-stance
mellow quartz
But the spikes!
calm void
Hi i have question did they change the shield wall 50% effect on all party or they removed it ?
warm plinth
😱
strong forum
removed
warm plinth
Hi i have question did they change the shield wall 50% effect on all party or th...
It was replaced with a different talent
calm void
is it replace with Defender's Aegis ?
mellow quartz
Was a 20 smbg. Actually surprised I didn’t get lower.
strong forum
But the spikes!
https://i.imgur.com/UeBCYqa.png
can you guess which dungeon
mellow quartz
AV?
craggy pilot
is UF still something we run?
mellow quartz
2nd boss is scary as fuck
strong forum
is UF still something we run?
pmuch always
if you absolutely need it IO might be good in raid
but i dont think itll be the play in m+
outside of like high tyr RLP / totjs
mellow quartz
3rd boss is fun
Let’s make a boss do a tank nuke followed by a 200k healing absorb shield.
craggy pilot
pmuch always
you pick it over Brace for Impact?
strong forum
and a really awkward wave to bait
craggy pilot
what did you think i meant? 😄
strong forum
unstoppable force
last mason
are any of the raid trinks looking particularly good
strong forum
all of them
decoration of flame, solid
all totem, really fucking good
boon, overtuned for m+
grieftorch, overtuned for ST damage
the only bad one is the one from raszageth
strong forum
whetstone is overtuned
the trample thing is good
craggy pilot
do we still have to run Arms drop to get proper trinkets?
outer thorn
Imagine if you could put an m+ trinket into the catalyst to turn it into a random raid trinket
craggy pilot
currently not even looking like im gonna do Heroic raid :<
toxic pewter
What about that scale trinket from nokhud is that one any good
craggy pilot
are there trinkets similar to Slimy Consumptive Organ/Pulsating Stoneheart/Bladedancer though from M+? where its literally useless to use?
outer thorn
not being able to control when you get the absorb sounds iffy to me
last mason
@strong forum are those dps options? does anything like scale come from the raid
toxic pewter
That flame barrier one seems cool
strong forum
all-totem and decoration of flame are tank trinkets
decoration is the new scale
but nothing special
just like scale
mediocre
toxic pewter
Anything like rdm at all come to mind
toxic pewter
Ok
strong forum
all totem is where its at
strong forum
boon + all totem
toxic pewter
Oh that boon one is that the one that roots you but does crazy dam
toxic pewter
Ya that’s a fun one
undone wind
Did they buff all totem? When I tested it a while ago it suuuucked
strong forum
all totem never sucked
toxic pewter
Ya. Can we leap or charge during it. When I tested it I think I was able to
strong forum
you just gotta know what it does
toxic pewter
Cuz it just puts us at 10% move speed
undone wind
What do you mean
toxic pewter
When I tested it I found I was set to 10% movement speed and still charged and leaped while using boon
strong forum
its not just"yeah it does a bit of dmg"
slim zinc
It does damage and has 4 rotating boons
slim zinc
on normal ilvl one is ~12% haste fo 10 sec, one is a 10 second 15k hps HoT, one is 4k armor for 10 second one is a damage amp
You get one every 30 seconds
bold wave
so every tank got buffed last patches. imagine we get a last minute 20% revenge or overall 10% dmg buff
bold wave
yee
mellow quartz
All totem seemed lackluster when I tried it
slim zinc
It's tuned well for a passive effect
But you really treat it as a passive
which means it's not that impactful and doesn't have any play-making power
strong forum
it did 3% of my dmg, thats not even counting the buffs
but i cant find
the fucking log
slim zinc
It should be ~5% of your damage, maybe a bit more
And some defensive benefits every 30s
strong forum
or the dmg amp/haste
mellow quartz
it did 3% of my dmg, thats not even counting the buffs
Seems abt right. Had it as 3.5% in a key.
slim zinc
There aren't any good defensive trinkets really either
strong forum
for a tank trinket this owns hard
slim zinc
Decoration is just meh
Granyth is just passive shields which is fine I guess if tuned well
outer thorn
can you kill yourself with the splinter if youre low?
strong forum
you kill others
slim zinc
Haven't tested
Hunger of the pack might be decent too tbh
But it's also just passive 4-5% crit
strong forum
dragon games equipment is also alright for ST damage
if you dont get access to raid trinkets
outer thorn
I havent seen it ingame but I dont like the sound of the mini game of running around kicking balls (is it like the 1st boss in motherlode?)
mellow quartz
Any way to tell how much the stat proc ones will do yet?
slim zinc
Any way to tell how much the stat proc ones will do yet?
Assuming no tuning yeah
mellow quartz
Using hunger of the pack and crimson gladiator insignia lately
mellow quartz
35-40%
slim zinc
Incarnate Icon might be the play honestly
if you raid
and you have others in group with it
wary heath
How quickly do you need to get to 70 before you start falling behind?
outer thorn
m+ doesnt even open until 2 weeks after launch or somth
strong forum
you cant fall behind
strong forum
no point rushing to 70 besides for your own enjoyment
toxic pewter
Is there anything min/max from the 4 factions whatsoever anyone know about
wary heath
I've seen guided about getting all 45 riding upgrades in the first hour. But was debating if I was that sweaty or not
A guide*
strong forum
wouldnt rush it day 1
toxic pewter
Hell yea
slim zinc
This, and if your healer has it they can get vers procs and you haste procs, and same if dps have it for crit procs.
It's baseline as good as Pack on the same ilvl, and then with possibility of free haste/crit procs if party members have it
toxic pewter
Gonna set my Vulpera camp to the mountain in the middle of dragon lands asap can fly anywhere from there
outer thorn
Interesting
slim zinc
It's still op though
50k self damage for 450k shield
shame it's not until s2 for higher ilvl
outer thorn
take it as a blessing in disguise not having to farm an op trinket every season
fluid raven
Is there a macro to switch Stance? So that I only need 1 button to change stance instead of the stance bar that uses 2 buttons that are not keybound.
mellow quartz
S2 has a lot of good m+ loot.
outer thorn
@fluid raven check pins
fluid raven
Ty
drifting pewter
Is anyone using Luxthos' wa and knows how to make it show your current stance? for some reason I can't get that to work lol
mellow quartz
He has a 40 min YouTube guide for his WA’s
unique loom
Is Vert better than crit?
mellow quartz
Is Vert better than crit?
Pins
mellow quartz
Guides are for SL
raven yarrow
unique loom
I wish they just brought back dodge and block rating instead, lol
mellow quartz
You have dodge and block?
warm plinth
not sure why you would want that anyway
unique loom
For me its because it makes it easier to know whats BiS, since that type of gear was the stuff I was accustomed to from last time I played
I just recently came back to the game
mellow quartz
Pick highest ilvl and then haste if comparing 2 pieces of same ilvl
Rest doesn’t matter.
unique loom
Fair enougu
last mason
Are there still beta keys this weekend
mellow quartz
So far no
So probably won’t be
All the last weekends it had already been live by now.
outer thorn
could also be a thanksgiving thing, im not american so I dont know if its normal to work this weekend
mellow quartz
They never post stuff on weekends
ivory cairn
Pick highest ilvl and then haste if comparing 2 pieces of same ilvl
so if I wanna also offspec dps (mostly for raid) I should be totally fine putting prio on higher dps stats rather than worrying about the stats for tanking right
pallid quiver
Strength is the absolute king for all Warrior specs
It make you do number and take less damage the most in every way possible
After that, it's min-max
Also, DPS stats are the tanking stats. I even think Prot War and Fury War had same main priority stat in Haste for M+ last I checked, even
ivory cairn
That would be really convinient indeed
weary python
@wary heath I've seen a recommendation going for the first 1.5-2 zones worth of glyphs. It gives you enough QoL to make leveling not insufferable.
ivory cairn
Its already a mess to get 2 extra 2h weapons + trinkets
pallid quiver
tank trinkets are generally bad, anyhow.
I have no idea if that's the case for DF at the moment, but you can't go wrong with just rocking DPS trinkets anyway
mellow quartz
There are no great tank trinkets as such.
sand pebble
Use crafted shield and 1h and keep loot spec perma on arms = prob solved
thin cedar
Does frothing berserker “refund” rage even on free revenge procs?
urban portal
dont think so
sand torrent
proud heart
are you even a real warrior if you havent looted tusk of mannoroth?
ive been farming them since mop
and no luck
uneven mason
You mean tusks of shieldclippingitsunusable
It's on the wrong shoulder (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
lyric geode
It feels nice that skyhold, protection channel is back to life.
hollow token
I assume we’re not getting beta m+ testing this weekend
pallid quiver
It's
It's been very alive
It's about the same amount of activity with substance with an influx of one sentence posters who immediately get 
drifting glade
are there any good meta discussions I can read about the tank balance going into dragonflight
pallid quiver
All are good and capable.
No, seriously, tank choice will not limit you in any way at this point with current tuning.
Prot War, from what I can tell, is looking to be the most popular, but best tanks are probably among DK, Bear, or Brew depending on what you're looking for. It could still change with tuning, however, since they're all likely to be tweaked all the way up until M+/Raid gets started in earnest
drifting glade
thanks for the overview - yeah, well aware that tuning could still completely upend conventional wisdom but it's always good to see what people are talking about at present
haven't really played with any regularity since end of CN
did shield block uptime get buffed or something
I remember at the time that was a big chafing point for prot
actually I'll just read the pins instead
thanks anyway sirrah
novel temple
Honestly, I’m of the mind that all tank AM should be up 100% of the time
Since now DF prot ear feels sort of like a mix between vanilla and BC warrior for AM
Active mitigation*
pallid quiver
did shield block uptime get buffed or something
well
we can get 100% shield block uptime, so there's that
Like any tank that isn't Brew (unless they've changed that since I last heard) is effectively unkillable. In M+, for example, the entire rest of your group will generally die before the tank starts to sweat
drifting glade
well
we can get 100% shield block uptime, so there's that
Ok that's definitely new lmao
New to me at least
That's insane
is ignore pain still kinda bad or has that changed too
pallid quiver
Its cap is 30% max HP, but it's still only a 50% damage absorb. It's not bad
But it's also vitally important to press because it's off the GCD
So it's a way to dump the rage we get to fuel half of our engine during time periods we're generating a lot
drifting glade
Has it graduated from "only use when ragedumping"
pallid quiver
You'll still usually press Revenge over it if you're not worried about capping rage.
That being said, you're gonna be worried about capping rage and it'll very likely always be up, especially once the tierset kicks in
drifting glade
noted
pallid quiver
In fact, you'll end up pressing it enough that you won't even get the benefit of extra absorb since you're already at the cap; you're pressing it specifically just to keep rage flowing
pallid quiver
Brutal Vit is also a talent point that (theoretically) will be picked up as well, so IP will exist more. It's still not worth tracking or anything, but it does exist
young oar
Is Raidbots not able to sim prot atm? I keep getting the error ' unable to create action: dragon_roar'
warm plinth
pins
young oar
My bad I shoulda checked pins
pallid quiver
technically the spells are pretty much all active last I checked; there's just not an updated API to actually properly simulate said abilities
Until the Prot API's in place (which won't be until DF proper), sims will be bork
jagged pier
we actually have running sims in testing but they are broken in other ways atm so hold tight they are coming
young oar
All good I was trying to test talent build so i didnt have to read so I guess ill just stop being lazy
errant oriole
hey which loa would you guys go for zandy prot war?
warm plinth
GONK GANG
errant oriole
oh ya?
warm plinth
I'm only half serious. I think most people run paku
errant oriole
what does gonk give again?
warm plinth
Movespeed
errant oriole
oh shoot... i was going to just take paku but I wasnt thinking and went to gonk lmao 😦
warm plinth
GONK GANG
errant oriole
I mean 10% movement speed passively isnt too shabby haha
warm plinth
not at all
lyric elm
im thinking of doing 0 skips in my routing this season, because ive come to the conclusion that pugs just can't do it. even if you dont wipe, some person dies and releases in the wrong place and cant get past the skip etc. just not worth the risk
warm plinth
whatever works for ya. I've definitely had skips that I don't do if I'm in a pug unless I have a foolproof way of doing it (e.g. shroud skips are generally pretty safe)
warm plinth
Yeah. Lock gate is fairly safe for that as long as the lock knows where to put it
lyric elm
ive not seen any notable MDTs for dragonflight yet, but i guess we'll get them week1
dorki said he'd release some
he's still routing it
oblique falcon
What do you guys prefer to take your spec from, icy or wowhead?
lyric elm
discord
oblique falcon
was looking but cant find it. can u point me in the right direction plz?
lofty widget
theres builds in the pins here
mortal brook
Wowhead mostly, tho the evoker IV is much better
oblique falcon
ahh ok the pins. ❤️
pallid quiver
Mwahi is also active in this Discord and is the writer for Icy Veins, so
placid vale
No M+ testing this weekend?
knotty idol
I mean 10% movement speed passively isnt too shabby haha
Gonk buffed?
lyric elm
No M+ testing this weekend?
afaik no
placid vale
Too bad, wanted to test some changes they did to some characters
lyric elm
same. but theyre likely busy with the launch
placid vale
same. but theyre likely busy with the launch
craggy pilot
when does DF launch in EU?
craggy pilot
so midnight between monday & tuesday
placid vale
Yes
craggy pilot
ty
thorny stone
My day off was rejected by HR 
thorny stone
I work from home, so I'll just do an inverse pomodoro, work for 15minutes, play for 45
lyric elm
Good. Time spent has little to do with the value you output most of the time
errant oriole
@knotty idol no I am refering to the 5% from talents and the 5% from talents stacks. 😄
er 5% from gonk*
outer thorn
Join GONK GANG for 5% higher keys, its simple math really
sick sentinel
can my friends still get KSM at like, 1100 ish?
they were 1100-1200 last night, pushing keys, i tried to tell them they can do 20's at this point probably
272-ilvl was one of the guys i know for sure thats his ilvl, assuming rest are about the same, average pepega's
he was saying there is 3 keys he has zero score for at all. (both kara's and not sure)
it just funny as post KSM and watching them do live stream cheering them on and then one of them dies 5 times lol
and im sitting there already knowing what all that crap does
lucid pasture
it just funny as post KSM and watching them do live stream cheering them on and ...
do you have ksm
sick sentinel
i do, i cheesed it
lucid pasture
Buy boost or what
yes
sick sentinel
picked away at it for a long time, pick and choose keys on easier weeks say
lucid pasture
limpid anchor
But ksm is so easy anyway
limpid anchor
Yes
sick sentinel
i use ever bit of video game cheese that is avialable to me and won't crash the game or get me banned
sick sentinel
they do good together, just the ret paladin is distracted by wife and job all the time in keys lol
lucid pasture
Remember to wash your hands when you finish using the cheese
what kind of cheese
grave wedge
Any tips for stance dancing. is it worth it?
lucid pasture
gouda or mozarella
sick sentinel
BDK uses comsumption for some ungodly reason, i hated that spell
he says he loves it
lucid pasture
what are you on about yogi
sick sentinel
friends working on KSM, same starting topic as when i entered this morning
in relation to them im a prot warrior, but i've already done KSM,
limpid anchor
Yogi drunk again
sick sentinel
fuck off im not drunk dude
limpid anchor
Btw isn’t ksm not like 1500 Rio?
limpid anchor
If they are 1200 already it’s free
sick sentinel
b ro
limpid anchor
Thought ksh is 2k
sick sentinel
no
cobalt seal
Yes we know
sick sentinel
i mean you explain to me
limpid anchor
What no
sick sentinel
how im drunk
limpid anchor
You just admitted it
sick sentinel
well guess what i didn't drink any alchy recently
sick sentinel
actually just dumb.
cobalt seal
Behave yogi
sick sentinel
cuz, u cant
cobalt seal
Behave
cobalt seal
You clearly said you were drunk
limpid anchor
You are drunk
sick sentinel
thats what you think, but its very wrong
ocean prairie
Should we use demoralizing shout before or after ravager+thunderous roar? And in like 7+ targets, during avatar, should we keep using shield slam or just ravager+thunder clap?
cobalt seal
thats what you think, but its very wrong
Clearly it isnt
limpid anchor
thats what you think, but its very wrong
Then tell me how many words you see
limpid anchor
The image I posted
cobalt seal
Thats how drunk he is
limpid anchor
It’s a static image
You should see 1 word
But you can’t even pass the simple test
cobalt seal
Yogi might even flirt with a wall at this point
limpid anchor
Then tell me how many words are there already
cobalt seal
And think its pamela
sick sentinel
im done with your BUILLSHIT
limpid anchor
That’s something all the drunks say
sick sentinel
im not checking messages
limpid anchor
I know that you are
sick sentinel
can someone send me a screenshot of their talents for mplus please for prot
limpid anchor
can someone send me a screenshot of their talents for mplus please for prot
Pins
cobalt seal
can someone send me a screenshot of their talents for mplus please for prot
Check pins
limpid anchor
Really hope that yogi can overcome his problems
sick sentinel
mods, tell cro never to interact with me aegain please, i wasn't talking to him and he's starting shit with me this morning AGAIN
cobalt seal
But i didnt talk to you
slim dove
mods, tell cro never to interact with me aegain please, i wasn't talking to him ...
its called a block button buddy
sick sentinel
YOU DID you called me drunk
broken crater
tf did i just read
cobalt seal
No
slim dove
he must be drunk too
broken crater
disregard cro, hes drunk
sick sentinel
why the FUCK you ALWAYS on my case dude
cobalt seal
Who are you ?
slim dove
ah yes weekend schizo posting
broken crater
yogi on alt kekw
cobalt seal
I dont seem to remember your name
sick sentinel
nobody asked yogi's talking and you jump in with some "yogi bad" shit
every fucking time
cobalt seal
Are you yogi guardian angel?
broken crater
nobody asked yogi's talking and you jump in with some "yogi bad" shit
what are you on about
sick sentinel
lets get back to reality cro
cobalt seal
What reality?
sick sentinel
im talking about every day, cro does this shit
cobalt seal
666 818?
sick sentinel
i talk about whatever
minor helm
Why block to go on your alt and continue
cobalt seal
420
sick sentinel
and then cro juimps in
limpid anchor
Wait wait did yogi call his drunk brother
sick sentinel
and i say oh ahaha okay thats cute please stop
sick sentinel
and it happens every day
minor helm
is this actually yogi on an alt for no reason lmao
Yes
broken crater
but ... why...
limpid anchor
Bcs he’s drunk
sick sentinel
you have zero foundation for that
broken crater
eh
sick sentinel
pass the test?
limpid anchor
Yes
broken crater
your message above are at best random
sick sentinel
tf
broken crater
going from cheesing ksm, to randomly mentioning some ret, to dk consumption in 3 messages
is a bit sussy
limpid anchor
And it’s always like that
sick sentinel
its all the same story
mellow quartz
99% of the messages he writes in here has nothing to do with protection 🤷♂️
deep spruce
Did I accidentally join the dh discord
broken crater
I couldnt tell
mellow quartz
He is legit just a troll
sick sentinel
ther is a dk and a pladin in the story and the story is that they want to run KSM
limpid anchor
So you are yogi, alright
sick sentinel
piss off
broken crater
then switching to an alt (why do you even have one)
limpid anchor
Wow, that’s rude
thorny stone
Yogi is our pet
storm merlin
Why come on an alt instead of just staying on your main
broken crater
to continue what you just tried to stop by blocking them
thorny stone
Leave him alone
broken crater
???? im so lost lol
jagged pier
STOP THIS NOW, it is too far off topic
sick sentinel
im getting really sick of dealing with cro every day
limpid anchor
It’s about protection
mellow quartz
It’s always off topic with yogi
sick sentinel
i did what i wanted to as prot and trying to pass down knowledg to my team there
mellow quartz
Try #off-topic instead for your usual nonsense then.
viral arch
STOP THIS NOW, it is too far off topic
You know it's bad when somebody creates an alt account and instantly gives away within the first message that it's an alt account, before starting to talk in third
sick sentinel
then switching to an alt (why do you even have one)
i mean, it's not that wierd, lots of people with a secondary back up account
cobalt seal
No its not normal
jagged pier
You know it's bad when somebody creates an alt account and instantly gives away ...
we know its been yogi the first time he did it
regardless guys
stop
this isnt a place a spread knowledge of KSM
cobalt seal
(Make me)
cobalt seal
(Jk)
storm merlin
Yogi, just block him and you won't have to deal with him
limpid anchor
Yogi, just block him and you won't have to deal with him
He did, but then switched to another account
sick sentinel
i pulled the bright move of trying @ everyone to get mod attention
limpid anchor
Oh lol, does that get you a timeout
sick sentinel
which resulted in some type of mute
limpid anchor
Just ping valk yr
sick sentinel
and my edngame there was to have them to tell cro and others saying im drunk, to have that stop
broken crater
guess its my time to ask why the f youre still not in #off-topic
sick sentinel
because its not even remotely true and just inflammatory attacks
viral arch
i pulled the bright move of trying @ everyone to get mod attention
@jagged pier surely that's ban/mute evasion
cobalt seal
couldnt tell u but if this is still going on in 5 mins im muting eveyon involved
We can also @ everyone
And save you some trouble
jagged pier
ill mute u guys for longer than that
cobalt seal
Now thats toxic
limpid anchor
Aren’t you supposed to be a war and not a dh
sick sentinel
no more calling yogi drunk >:( one of these times i should have breathalyzer machine thing near me
time stamp that shit and everything, shut you "yogi is drunk" crap up instant
lusty tiger
Yogi cro is just picking on u like a bro you make it too obvious how much it upsets u
sturdy sable
no more calling yogi drunk >:( one of these times i should have breathalyzer ma...
You mustnt feed the trolls or else they go rabid
Its like feeding a gremlin after midnight
sick sentinel
You mustnt feed the trolls or else they go rabid
at least we can both agree that they are trolls then
sturdy sable
Cro for sure yeah lol
Its his whole identity
He plays DH and trolls the warrior discord
fluid raven
When I macro things together, like shield slam and shield block, or sslam and ignore, do I put rage spenders first or generators first?
sturdy sable
Spenders first but yeah what jeree said
sick sentinel
i've got silent keys now, so i don't always hear or feel the acutation, so some times i'll randomly type wwwwwwwwwwwww in chat and have to delete it, somtimes why yogis is typing at rng
still have old loud clicky
mellow quartz
storm merlin
@jagged pier
cobalt seal
<#238061143497768960>
This is off topic clearly
tropic rivet
New to prot… are there any “must have” macros beyond the guide on wowhead?
sick sentinel
and yes dayvi, you don't macro SB and SS together
cobalt seal
New to prot… are there any “must have” macros beyond the guide on wowhead?
not really
maybe interrupt on focus
storm merlin
New to prot… are there any “must have” macros beyond the guide on wowhead?
mouse over intervene probably
cobalt seal
but that's a general and not pwar specific
tropic rivet
Cool, thx fam
sick sentinel
"it's the tank's job to interupt" so therefore as a tank spec with possible interupts, it is our job to know about said interupts
i hear that line repeated ad naseum from all sides friendly and enemy
blazing condor
New to prot… are there any “must have” macros beyond the guide on wowhead?
usually we just have mousover macros for certain abilities. Charge/Ravager etc. If you play intervene then you macro that and charge
blazing condor
"it's the tank's job to interupt" so therefore as a tank spec with possible inte...
its everybody's job to know what happens in a dungeon and everyone's job to stop it. Anyone who says otherwise is complete dogshit at the game
sick sentinel
off topic related short story: rogue(me) in icc (probably, real wrath time frame) "you haave to kick more" "nobody else kicked last fight..."
ancient reef
havent been around in months but is there a tank tier list out i can go read
toxic pewter
Every tank pretty strong can prob play whichever tank you enjoy
sturdy sable
havent been around in months but is there a tank tier list out i can go read
To avoid the community perception boss dont play brew but all of them are playable and strong
ancient reef
yeah i just dont wanna play a spec thats overtuned to start so i can avoid a nerf mid season
cinder storm
Blizz is very slow when it comes to nerfing strong classes
sturdy sable
And they also are very slow when it comes to buffing the weak classes lol
Dragonflight is "supposed" to be a new era with quicker balancing passes so
Fingers crossed
cobalt seal
yeah i just dont wanna play a spec thats overtuned to start so i can avoid a ner...
even if it's tuned
doesn't matter
ancient reef
iv always wondered about balance being a perception ting to, like yeah bdk was great but was it 95% of m+ tank great or was 80% of those just copy cats doing what top 5% did, so it looked better then it was.
cinder storm
Thing is they also have to balance things around raids and PvP, with the acquisition by Microsoft one can assume they threw their hands up and focused on DF being better
strong forum
iv always wondered about balance being a perception ting to, like yeah bdk was g...
nah, in s3/s4 bdk was severely overpowered compared to other tanks
its not just making it look better than it was
it was this dumb
smoky pike
Is sidearm better than barbaric training on 70?
craggy pilot
nome, with the IP macro, do you have IP macro binded, and IP without Slam binded?
strong forum
no
strong forum
Is sidearm better than barbaric training on 70?
its more so that you dont have enough rage gen to make barbaric training good
craggy pilot
ok, so theres never a time where you wanna IP into TC so you dont use the Global on Slam?
frigid gulch
But their track record keeps me skeptic
I completely agree with you, but I do feel there has been a fundamental shift in the WOW team, and I’m usually mr pessimist
strong forum
ok, so theres never a time where you wanna IP into TC so you dont use the Global...
yes
oak echo
other way around - that macro replaces IP and you still keep a separate bind for SS
craggy pilot
if Avatar is up isnt TC > SS?
strong forum
no
frigid gulch
Shield slam is always your priority ability
strong forum
si
cobalt seal
Shield slam is always your priority ability
craggy pilot
is SS always over TC? even at 5+ targets with Avatar up?
frigid gulch
<a:bonkcat:664576102315851862>
😂
strong forum
depends on rage gen
craggy pilot
just moved around a bunch of abilities on keybindings, to try and help my wrist pain
had Revenge on E which was fucking me up
too much pressing revenge 🤣
woven trellis
No class trigger my wrist pains like warrior
woven trellis
So many buttons
craggy pilot
/castsequence Shield Slam, Thunderclap, Shield Block, Revenge, Ignore Pain
and just spam it 🤣
or maybe forget about IP
near flicker
try playing brew and it 40 keybinds
craggy pilot
try playing brew and it 40 keybinds
Warrior is higher CPM tho
AM warrior with the rage gen we have now
fierce field
Yeah I was waffling between war and brew, the amount of keybinds for brew was a bit of a turnoff
craggy pilot
i feel like i have a lot for warrior tho
fierce field
That's about the only way to play brew right now 🙂
woven trellis
Do you guys actually play with a castsewuence macro?
craggy pilot
craggy pilot
Do you guys actually play with a castsewuence macro?
no, i was memeing
castsequence is very limited, since it does only rotate to the next one after the spell has actually been cast, so if its on CD it will just be stuck
woven trellis
I see
craggy pilot
i need to start doing /s when i am making memes i think 🤣
fierce field
Castsequence swipe, swipe, swipe, swipe, swipe...
craggy pilot
Castsequence swipe, swipe, swipe, swipe, swipe...
🤣
🐻
i guess you mean Thrash though 🤔
fierce field
Never thrash, only swipe
spiral compass
anyone know if mythic daz bfa raid is soloable now?
spiral compass
thank you sir
storm merlin
Thing is they also have to balance things around raids and PvP, with the acquisi...
Slightly late, but microsoft hasn't bought blizzard yet. They're still waiting on regulatory permissions in both the US and EU
torpid junco
Are there any BiS guides yet for us? What to target starting next week
Just haste vers like always I assume ?
strong forum
max ilvl
heady sapphire
Are there any BiS guides yet for us? What to target starting next week
all m0's
craggy pilot
but not rn, legacy dmg aura is not yet applied
legacy dmg aura? 😮
strong forum
not rly
cuz legion rn is harder than it was in bfa or SL
its so fucked
its not hard but its so dumb that legion raids are still fucked
craggy pilot
should just try to scale raids to 5 man after they are legacy
strong forum
theyre just fucked cuz they fuck some old scaling up
craggy pilot
kinda sad how you go into an old raidboss and just 1 shot it, without doing any of the mechanics
craggy pilot
lol
if my wrists still hurts while playing Prot, ill have to macro IP into my SS/TC and just never click revenge :<
gonna be super sadge
faint siren
Never do dmg never take dmg. Seems fine 😅
spiral compass
Is race a factor in choosing with prot warrior or is it only make a difference when your doing highest level of keys and need the minimal buff
strong forum
minimal
spiral compass
perfect
solar blade
if my wrists still hurts while playing Prot, ill have to macro IP into my SS/TC ...
isnt this just a sign your keybinds are bad?
cobalt seal
if my wrists still hurts while playing Prot, ill have to macro IP into my SS/TC ...
might as well change spec if you dont press revenge
like 4 keybinds shouldn't be a problem
craggy pilot
isnt this just a sign your keybinds are bad?
yes, this is why i changed my keybindings just now
cobalt seal
what was your IP/SS/TC/Rev keybinds
craggy pilot
im on 3rd iteration of keybinds in half a year tho
craggy pilot
what was your IP/SS/TC/Rev keybinds
doesnt really compare well because im leftie
solar blade
just have a logic behind it
like for me its shield slam on 1 and my avatar is on shift 1 for easy usage
hope this helps a bit
craggy pilot
something like this
solar blade
youve got mousebuttons?
craggy pilot
i used to have Revenge on E, so i moved less used abilities there instead
craggy pilot
youve got mousebuttons?
no
cobalt seal
why is your IP on 6
solar blade
damn thats sad :/
cobalt seal
o_O
solar blade
6 is a bad bind
cobalt seal
no wonder you have problems
solar blade
use shift 5 instead of 6 for example
craggy pilot
why is your IP on 6
i already said once im leftie so it doesnt compare well
and now youre madge
hahahaha
joker
fading halo
@craggy pilot you have int shout on E? We are not using it that much and E is a really easy one to press IMO
cobalt seal
what does leftie means
eager schooner
left handed
solar blade
left handed so he holds mouse in left hand
craggy pilot
<@270309256471773194> you have int shout on E? We are not using it that much and...
i swear people dont even read what i write
jesus christ
craggy pilot
i used to have Revenge on E, so i moved less used abilities there instead
@fading halo read plz
solar blade
its hard for us to give you a "default" layout because you are lefthanded :/ try to work some things out i guess
craggy pilot
its hard for us to give you a "default" layout because you are lefthanded :/ try...
is what im doing
and yet people wanna complain 😄
my own fault for sending screenshot i guess 😄
lusty tiger
Solution is to have mouse buttons
craggy pilot
Solution is to have mouse buttons
yea, i need mousebuttons, and racing pedals
fading halo
I read, you are finding E difficult to press? I would think revenge on E would be good
lusty tiger
Yea and a catheter
fading halo
Dude racing pedals sound amazing lol
craggy pilot
I read, you are finding E difficult to press? I would think revenge on E would b...
yes, E hurts my wrist
no clue why tbh
craggy pilot
wasd
fading halo
You don't wanna know 😉
blazing condor
razer naga and masturbation is meta
lusty tiger
Waaaa my hand hurt and 4 buttons too hard
strong forum
E hurst cuz its your index finger spamming
youre overstraining your index finger i guess
craggy pilot
E hurst cuz its your index finger spamming
im leftie, so ring finger is on E
strong forum
ah right
cobalt seal
because to hit 6 with pinky
craggy pilot
but weird thing is, ring finger is also doing 4, but that doesnt hurt as much 🤔
cobalt seal
you need to rotate your wrist
craggy pilot
its the bending down of the finger that fucks shit up
sick sentinel
some of it is placeholder buttons nothing set in stone
lusty tiger
Rend on the bars spotted
vapid lake
as a leftie as well, this is my setup
lusty tiger
7 doesn’t have to be narnia with mouse buttons
craggy pilot
my main problem is probably having Charge on 1, but im just so used to it 🤣
craggy pilot
do you have your finger on AW46?
not sure what you mean?
vapid lake
Charge on a mouse button is where its at
cobalt seal
not sure what you mean?
where do they usually rest during a key in a pull
craggy pilot
where do they usually rest during a key in a pull
something like WASD
1-2 is pointer finger, 3-4 is ring finger, 5-6 is pinkie
if thats what you mean
@strong forum how bad is this macro
#showtooltip
/cast Shield Block
/cast Shield Slam
🤣
sick sentinel
but pretty much all the buttons im hitting are 12345 qe rt zx vb, forms like a square around was connecting to 12345, works well for first person shooter easy to remember
strong forum
on level 70 its not as bad
with HR + Bulwark
youll have infinite SB uptime anyway
craggy pilot
ye and casting SS without SB up is wasting HR 🤔
spring holly
and the 30% ss damage boost from sb
sick sentinel
how does that work for my friends there, i think its a 17 gives a away huger score than a 16 for completing the dungeon
sick sentinel
they want to get 2k, and they were asking lots of questions about mythic + stuff, some i knew, some i did not
lofty widget
score is linear with key level
torpid junco
Is haste vers going to be our best items again?
fierce field
Only concern I would have with that macro is in m+ if you are getting close to wrapping up a pack and not wanting to use a sb charge to have it on cd between packs
sick sentinel
i think one of the key lvls is you get way more though base, just try to help them out if i can
craggy pilot
Only concern I would have with that macro is in m+ if you are getting close to w...
true, or pressing SB when already at max SB duration
spring holly
@fierce field I've found using that macro that it's not a worry in m+. It's sort of a catch-22 in your favor. If the time between packs is super short then it's fine you pressed it at the end of a pack. If the time inbetween is long then SB has a short cd anyways so you're still ok.
craggy pilot
<@242805128665497620> I've found using that macro that it's not a worry in m+. I...
12 sec CD x2 is not short though
then you are pulling incredibly slowly
spring holly
right so if you're not pulling super slow then there's no downtime to worry about, that's my point lol.
lusty tiger
@strong forum is shield block buff time bugged?
craggy pilot
how high is the max duration of SB with HR + Bulwark? 🤔
lusty tiger
I think it is bugged or works strange
lofty widget
should be 18 sec without ED, 24 sec with ED
lusty tiger
I got to 35 sec last night
jagged pier
did u use bolster?
lusty tiger
Yes
jagged pier
theres your answer
lofty widget
+15 to cap with bolster
lusty tiger
Is that for any sensible reason?
lofty widget
or rather the 15 sec SB you get from bolster gets added to your current buff dufration
craggy pilot
looks like its 24 max
lusty tiger
Shield block spell only lets me get to 24
lofty widget
bolster bypasses that 24 sec cap
lusty tiger
Bolster is nice with banner
strong forum
SB is capped to 3x duration
LS adds +15sec to that
So you can't waste SB with it
Simple as that
jagged pier
spell block is 20 secs max
blazing condor
spell block wouldve been dope for pugging HoA
blazing condor
oh its not that
lusty tiger
I just dislike the sb buff time cap because I want to see how high I can get it
blazing condor
would be fun if it was Reflect spells for 20 sec
thought it was 
craggy pilot
thought it was <:sadgers:1022526082278248631>
its just block, like normal melee block, so taking 50% dmg or so
outer thorn
I feel I have a lot that protpalas dont have though, like an enjoyable spec to play for one
craggy pilot
I feel I have a lot that protpalas dont have though, like an enjoyable spec to p...
😄
spring holly
for purely dps is punish still better than battering ram as a "last" talent point?
spring holly
ah sorry I was looking at the general m+ build, I have to imagine battering ram is more dps than punish right?
jagged pier
last time we checked was a long time ago it wasnt
but dropping punish for ram in m+ is just dumb
craggy pilot
maybe better to drop Punish for Dance of Death?
strong forum
useless on bosses
craggy pilot
or battle scarred veteran
strong forum
why would you drop 9% mitigation
spring holly
lol jakey is loving this
neon elk
At what point we swap extra SB duration for into the fray? M+ wise .( forget first name talent sorry)
strong forum
to gain mitigation
spring holly
interesting though, didn't realize battering ram was that weak, I suppose it sounds stronger than it is.
strong forum
At what point we swap extra SB duration for into the fray? M+ wise .( forget fir...
when you have way over 30% haste on your gear unbuffed
strong forum
interesting though, didn't realize battering ram was that weak, I suppose it sou...
its good, but only on pure ST, punish is just a very strong talent
craggy pilot
when you have way over 30% haste on your gear unbuffed
so we just build crit, and stay HR? 😄
jagged pier
interesting though, didn't realize battering ram was that weak, I suppose it sou...
its great, but punish is very very good everywhere
neon elk
when you have way over 30% haste on your gear unbuffed
Guess thats reachable in s1 right ?
strong forum
it is
neon elk
Kk ty bro
strong forum
okay to summarise
Battering Ram is good, but its mainly a single target dps talent
Punish is also mainly singletarget/prio dmg BUT it also grants you on average 9% DR on the target youre fighting
craggy pilot
does it only DR the target you hit?
strong forum
ofc
strong forum
you never slam
spring holly
also to summarize I cannot read because for months now I thought battering ram read "increases your crit strike chance and crit damage by 20% for 20 secs" and not what it actually is which is "increases crit chance and crit dmg of shield charge"...
strong forum
😄
craggy pilot
when do we use revenge over slam?
only when not level 10
craggy pilot
also to summarize I cannot read because for months now I thought battering ram r...
but also Auto attack speed
spring holly
this is why I could not wrap my head around why battering ram wasn't super s-tier lol.
craggy pilot
for more SS resets 😄
foggy wigeon
So before around 30% haste we play into the fray and after we swap to heavy reppo ? Or the other way around ?
craggy pilot
So before around 30% haste we play into the fray and after we swap to heavy repp...
HR until 30%
foggy wigeon
👌
So i guess the extra stats then results in just higher overall budget while it wouldnt be too hard to get 100% SB uptime
Right ?
strong forum
you still need bolster to get 100% sb uptime
so youre trading nails for bolster
and HR for ITF
to get a bit more AOE dmg
but worse ST damage
i myself will prolly never run ITF + Bolster outside of meme keys
foggy wigeon
Ye i mean im thinking that it prolly can be fun . But since im not really that high pusher ( only around 21-23 last season ) im thinking i will just take the Easy route with extremly long SB thanks to SS procs 😄
craggy pilot
does ITF + Bolster give more surv?
strong forum
not rly
strong forum
its more aoe dmg, less st dmg, surv is only affected cuz more LS uses
spring holly
Would the execute ST build be better if we fought one of those raid bosses that start at low % like 50% to 0. I'm just sad the execute st build isn't our highest dps option lol.
coral marsh
is whirlwind still useless on prot as well?
jagged pier
yes
craggy pilot
is whirlwind still useless on prot as well?
yes
craggy pilot
is whirlwind still useless on prot as well?
what lvl are you?
you can just compare the dmg + rage cost in the spell book
foggy wigeon
We still run sudden death ST raid builds tho no ? Since Show of Force would prolly add heck all value
hardy ridge
Is HR always more st than ITF?
craggy pilot
Revenge does more dmg than WW with less cost
strong forum
Is HR always more st than ITF?
yes cuz you can guarantee SB uptime
and SB uptime = more SS damage
hardy ridge
yes cuz you can guarantee SB uptime
If we have enough haste to run get 100% sb with ITF and nails would that be more ST
strong forum
well duh
not using execute at all btw
outside of SD procs
is only a 600dps loss
coral marsh
is there any other change between the specs in class tree besides berserkerstance?
hardy viper
Will you always play defensive stance as prot in higher keys? and just have that stance whole dungeon
outer thorn
the 1h spec changes to 2h or dw spec @coral marsh
craggy pilot
Will you always play defensive stance as prot in higher keys? and just have that...
no
you can, but you probably dont need to
torpid junco
What’s higher prio on aoe fights. Thunder clap or revenge
jagged pier
Will you always play defensive stance as prot in higher keys? and just have that...
in higher keys that, your pushing, yes
craggy pilot
What’s higher prio on aoe fights. Thunder clap or revenge
TC Generates, so always TC
craggy pilot
thought its kinda hard to keep ITF at 5 stacks all times in bossfights?
cus DPS are standing behind boss, not on top of tank
craggy pilot
full melee in M+ ye 😄
but just the point that ITF loses value unless you have 5 at all times
strong forum
yes
spring holly
git push these keys boy
gloomy vortex
ITF?
outer thorn
Into the fray, the optional talent to Heavy repercussions
sick sentinel
i think this is fine if i wanted to run some 15's about, right?
more the warrior tree that i changed few bits on
foggy wigeon
Anyone correct me if im wrong in this But isnt Honed reflexes bit of a trap talent for m+ ?
outer thorn
youll rarely ever get value out of the ss portion of the talent and if youre craving 1s pummel reduction youd be better off picking Concussive blows
modern brook
i think this is fine if i wanted to run some 15's about, right?
its not terrible. Focused vigor is a high value node you're skipping for BV
1handed spec also a high value node being skiupped for nothing
UF probably better than IM
wall probably better than whatever garbage its fighting against
jovial wedge
are stances in the GDC?
strong forum
no
jovial wedge
awesome, thanks!
carmine smelt
has anyone done any Armor Spikes (the embellishment, not the warrior talent) testing in multitarget?
cinder nova
It's okay, but it's nothing compared to bleeds
sick sentinel
git push these keys boy
thats what i told them, they better hurry up if they want ksm
carmine smelt
i mean specifically with regards to multitarget
carmine smelt
ok great, but not really the answer i was looking for