protection

[slim dove]

also finding hilarious ways to kill eachother on mechanics

ok, thats you

[limpid anchor]

Yea

I get that some like it

But it’s just boring

[slim dove]

for you.

I treated it like going out for a social gathering with 23 other dudes that I had been playing games with for roughly 5 years

[lusty tiger]

Raid is boring if you’re waiting every boss for most of your raiders to understand the fights 40+ pulls after yourself

[ornate thunder]

^

I get the hanging out part, but I think the big issue is finding 20 people you like hanging out with. I can’t find four in RL I wanna be around that much, lol

[lusty tiger]

99% of raids have cliques anyway

[reef matrix]

Dont need 20 you like just a few loud people you like.

Yeeee

[lusty tiger]

So you’re never hanging out w 23 others

Raid time is 2/7 of my available time within the week I could be pushing keys or arena

All for what? A 99 under sense

I’m Gucci

[grave crane]

a 99 above everyone else?

[lusty tiger]

yea but that sounds much worse

And is fictional anyway

[vital sinew]

Thats always been Raidings biggest problem. If the community aspect sucks, the progression aspect double sucks

Games still fun, but I've dipped early on some patches

[old sinew]

👍

people say guild hop

but you can spend an expansion guild hopping and hop 1000 ranks

and still be in what you consider a trash can guild

Whereas in M+. You can go from returning to the game after a long hiatus, to placing like 0.5%-0.1% in a single season

and having much more fun along the way

I'm sure its super possible to have fun Mythic Raiding but the people who do probably jumped around from guild to guild for the past 18 years. That's just way too much of a time investment to catch up

[uneven mason]

This is why I'm not going to bother with mythic raids this xpac unless I fall into a decent guild

[lyric elm]

The first raid looks kinda ass anyway

Half the bosses are annoying, they all look like blobs of color

[vital sinew]

Elemental saturation is pretty bright

[lyric elm]

Yes art team has apparently lost some talent

Blue swirls on blue ground with blue enemies

So fun

[uneven mason]

Lost, you mean when they canned them all at the end of legion

[lyric elm]

Exactly

Or yknow they got assaulted

Allegedly

[cobalt seal]

LOL

[uneven mason]

The worst part of this is people think that this is isolated or unusual in any male dominated industry

[limpid anchor]

Ah the raid was pretty fun tho

[rotund thicket]

how do prot warrior survive mana devourer at high keys? like do we not soak the orbs? am i supposed to have enough immunities in my group?

[lusty tiger]

Log

[mellow quartz]

you wait 3 days and never do it again, easy

[patent osprey]

Place Manawurm in the corner, so that most of the orbs spawn directly under him. Having around like 7-8 stacks doesnt hurt on its own, but you have to clear each time you soak. What hurts is dropping them off in the pool as well as the timer for his AOE. Try to shield Wall/Aegis Each drop off in the purple pools. You can use Spell reflect if the stacks feel like they are hurting or right before a mana wurm AOE.

You can use this Weakaura to track his AOE
https://wago.io/Zd5K7ksSp

With the Wall Legendary you should have Shield wall for every single Soak drop off ^.^

If you ever feel like ur falling behind you can call an immunity to soak

[sick sentinel]

calling out "BALLS" or "BAL" in my key... for the purple soak orbs seemed to help greatly

so everyone can take a second to look for that mechanic

[outer thorn]

brave to assume people in my pugs can read

[sick sentinel]

if u can't read the word ball, i don't think u can join my keys lol

that's a fairly low bar

[outer thorn]

im being facetious, most of the time keys can be run just fine and people adapt especially if they wipe and you explain why they wiped, but some people are literally hopeless

[sick sentinel]

i don't care if the person is stupid but they have to be fighting

like, with it

[lyric elm]

Almost always a waste of time to talk to pugs, play with regulars if you want people interested in maybe listening

[sick sentinel]

haven't done a key in about 2 months now though barely log in at all.

[quick lance]

What characteristics does a prot warrior need?

[astral crystal]

tender, understanding, open-minded

[quick lance]

xD, i mean strenght etc

versality

by priority

[lyric geode]

One question, with the decrease of haste % as usual since it is 10.0 , how much apm we will have?

[solemn current]

Ilvl

We do like haste though

[jagged pier]

its in the pins

[jagged pier]

70ish down form 90ish

[lyric geode]

Seems good for 10.0 , gosh we might have a good warrior for the first time in opening expansion

[edgy flax]

Unless we have another spell called thunderous words the pins have a typo

[mellow quartz]

70 is based on optimal gear and 392 scaling though, at the very start and if you have low haste it will probably be significantly lower

[lyric geode]

He is right, haste is so much of hassle right now with how much lower % we would have in DF. Still I suspect a 60 apm to be for average players.

Which again it is good.

[mellow quartz]

To each their own I guess. <20% haste just feels to slow and it starts to feel really good at >30%

[lyric geode]

But remember now we have higher rage generation

My friend called me. He said that on DF warrior protection is on S+ tier. I couldnt believe in my eyes.

[mellow quartz]

I have over 200 hours on prot warrior on beta. Not talking abt SL.

[lyric geode]

ah ok. How does it feel? Geninuely asking

[mellow quartz]

See above.

In general feels great.

[lyric geode]

I mean in terms of rotation and uptime.

[mellow quartz]

You mean sb uptime?

[lyric geode]

I just subscribe since the long slumber of 9.2 when only blood dks you see on charters

yes. Not theoretically. On practice.

[mellow quartz]

Generally <20% haste things feel slow >30% haste they feel great. In between they are ‘ok’

Also Dorki posting a prot warrior m+ guide for DF rocking titanic throw 🤔

Interesting

[lyric geode]

I had played before the Ukrainian invasion 😧 😧 😧

[vague badge]

which of the two DF M+ builds will you play? the bolster + ITF or the heavy repercussions one?

[lyric geode]

HR feels more clean on rotation.

ITF is good, if you dont have to be SB 100% at the time.

[mellow quartz]

At the very start I would play HR, bulwark and ED. Maybe even bolster.
Once you get high haste values ITF becomes more of an option but at low haste you will have quite high gabs on SB with ITF

[lyric geode]

In a sense if you have to tank swap, while you dont have to tank anything, I would run ITF. If otherwise, I have to tank something ,HR.

[vague badge]

but doesn't ITF give us more haste?

[mellow quartz]

yes but not enough to cover for the loss of HR effect on SB uptime

ITF over HR is definitely the higher damage option

[mellow quartz]

remember SB uptime is important as it adds 30% damage to your SS which is your far and away highest damage ability in ST

so even off tanking its important to keep up

[vague badge]

and for m+ where you have downtime and damage is important?

[mellow quartz]

what downtime do you have?

[vague badge]

between packs, but yeah. that ain't a lot

[mellow quartz]

I found on a dummy at 20% haste with ITF you started having small SB gabs at 1min 45s and larger gabs at 3min 40s

[lyric geode]

@mellow quartz is my thinking wrong?

[mellow quartz]

you can't change talents in the middle of a fight so don't understand what you mean with running ITF if you have to tank something and when you tank something you run HR

[lyric geode]

I mean, depend on the boss fights on raid. In mythic + ofc you cant change talents.

[boreal kite]

Is getting all the spear talents on dragon flight a huge deal? Or should I go towards the thunder clap one on the left

[mellow quartz]

see pins for builds

[vale plover]

/use [@mouseover,harm,nodead][] Charge
/use [@mouseover,harm,nodead][] Pummel ```
er, any reason not to do this?

[oak echo]

Would that kick the moment you were in melee range as soon as you charge? Or be not usable if you're closer than 8 yards because it tries to charge first?

[odd tree]

I'm not a big fan of mouseover interrupts in m+

[lyric geode]

It feels buggy

[odd tree]

Yea, easy to miss

[rotund thicket]

ty for the answer, tried an 29 and just died from the dot since they where ticking at 160k each 😂

[lyric geode]

Also, I see now max rewards are on +20. Are now 20 feels less difficult in SL or on the same difficulty?

[odd tree]

I believe they upped the scaling

[lyric geode]

So a 20 in DF is a 15 in SL?

[mellow quartz]

nope

all else being equal a 20 in DF is a 22.5 in SL (before prepatch crap)

[warm plinth]

Difficulty wise, no. 20s are approximately a 22.5 in terms of scaling compared to last season.

[rotund thicket]

they already upped the scaling so its about the same as now or 22.5 before prepatch but keep in mind you wont have that much gear as you have now

[mellow quartz]

but given how faceroll easy prepatch is you should not consider it equal

[astral crystal]

is mastery not looking competitive compared to vers in DF?

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[astral crystal]

👌

ty

[jagged pier]

its in the pins

[cyan prism]

hey guys do we have a lis of spells one can reflect for the new dungeons or is it too soon ?

[lunar plover]

What mob count do swap to execute over revenge? Under 3?

[warm plinth]

2+ targets you revenge

[lunar plover]

Thanks 🙂

[mighty valley]

second post in pins

[cyan prism]

oh damn, sorry missed that, thanks

[fading halo]

Which professions are yall planning on going?

[vale plover]

will have to press it twice to charge then interrupt or will just interrupt if in range

[deep steppe]

Mining/Engi

Gonna be my guild’s bracer maker

[wicked stream]

Does anyone have a lvling build they can share, I checked the pins but cant find anything

[loud patrol]

so i noticed why my SB uptime was weird guys

i was using a different build

[strong forum]

i think icyveins has a leveling section

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-leveling-guide

[wicked stream]

I should have stated it correctly lol. lvl 60-70

[strong forum]

61 get SC
62 2nd wildstrikes
63 get Battering ram or bulwarks champion
64 swap from wildstrikes and get shockwave + sonic boom
65 get Battering ram/bulwarks champion/booming voice
66 swap from shockwave + sonic boom to thunderous roar + thunderous words
67 idk dance of death/thunderlords/booming voice
68 uproar
69 dance of death/thunderlords/booming voice

[wicked stream]

Thanks 🙂

[strong forum]

this is what you start with

could maybe swap enduring defenses to 1 point in instigate

updated it a bit

[drifting pewter]

I wonder if alchemy/eng is gonna be the m+ standard for this expac, might start double gather then swap into that later

[toxic pewter]

Well the extra phial time is nice I can’t deny it

Then eng has the extra tinker slot and also group/raid wipe protection

[drifting pewter]

True

[mellow quartz]

engi/alchemy is my plan at least

but then again it always is

[drifting pewter]

Alchemy being discovery based is giving me slight tbc PTSD but it should be miles better than that system ever was lol

[gloomy vortex]

got this as an import?

[gloomy vortex]

what is the reason for engi/alchemy and not eng/mining?

[mellow quartz]

longer phial times

less cost for constantly running m+

[drifting pewter]

You probably start mine herb then transition after you stockpiled a bit, or play alta since it's an alt friendly expac seemingly

[vale plover]

Anyone have stat weights for pawn? (I like it, sue me)

[gloomy vortex]

I preume it would be engi/ming then change to alchemy after?

[mellow quartz]

you do whatever you wanna do

I don't really care much as I will just buy tokens to get the stuff I need to level eng/alch

[stoic elm]

Hey guys going to be playing tank for the first time are there any guides that are there for the new patch.

[strong forum]

pins

its the "max dmg build"

[gloomy vortex]

I see it a lvl 70 build, will it give me everything needed as per your screenshot for a 60?

[strong forum]

scroll down

[mellow quartz]

anything better for lvl 60 leveling?

can't really decide

[cinder nova]

Dookie

you don't need second wind

Unless you're doing WM you probably don't need bolt so you could take barbarian

[mellow quartz]

was more a question of where else to put the point

nothing really gives anything much of value for leveling

[cinder nova]

You don't need SW even for leveling

if you're taking that much damage you're either very, very undergeared, or doing something wrong

Get Indom if you really care for survival, but it's still probably not critical if you have pain and gain + IV

I'd drop brace for it

[strong forum]

honed reflexes or wild strikes

[cinder nova]

oh wait not brace

what the fuck is it

Impen wall

drop impen

[strong forum]

i linked my build further up

[mellow quartz]

oh I had 21 points before the 20 point line

didn't even see that

[cinder nova]

🤔 you're taking ShCh and Champion, Nom? For leveling?

[strong forum]

ofc

any instant dmg is good

mobs have fuckall HP

15-30k

1 outburst SS will 1shot mobs

[cinder nova]

I probably can't if I'm WMing.

[strong forum]

i would try to get flying super early

and only then turn on warmode

[mellow quartz]

it comes almost right away in the story line iirc

[strong forum]

takes like 1 hr

maybe 40min if youre fast

[cobalt seal]

30-40

prob a good idea to get it done since the start

with the 20-30m route

[tulip kelp]

If I pick up mining day 1 can I start mining in DH or gotta level up first?

[strong forum]

dont have to level up for new expansions

each expansion has a diff leveling section for professions

[dark viper]

hey guys, for dps b or d stance?

[limpid anchor]

What does the stance say

[dark viper]

d stance 10% more dmg b stance 3% more crit.. but i heard u should play b stance.. an i don´t know why^^

[limpid anchor]

10% more?

Rather 10% less dmg dealt

So bstance doesn’t have the negative effect of d stance

And does more dmg :)

[dark viper]

uffff sry i am retarted

[strong forum]

bro i WISH dstance made you deal 10% more damage

[toxic pewter]

That would be so good lmao

[rotund thicket]

dstance not reducing your dmg done would be insane enough

[strong forum]

any situation is awkward

make the dmg penalty too small, and theres no point in stances

make the dmg reduction too small and theres no point in stances

there is no good solution for prot

for dps it makes perfect sense, but for us is a bit awkward

[toxic pewter]

I agree it’s awkward but do you think most people like the stances or no. I think I actually like the option but it’s on me to learn to stance swap better lol

I do think it’s an opportunity to differentiate the best players perhaps

[strong forum]

i like it cuz it adds a little depth to pwar again

[toxic pewter]

Yes

[strong forum]

but it also feels like shit when you have to sit in d-stance

[toxic pewter]

Yes that’s true and I’ll even admit I have forgotten to swap out of d stance already decent amount

I gotta make a weak aura reminder

[strong forum]

yes

i got mine right there

[toxic pewter]

Yes

[strong forum]

cant miss it

[toxic pewter]

I need to do that

[strong forum]

hmmm i have an idea

myeh looks kinda shit

[cobalt seal]

most of your ideas end like that ye

[strong forum]

this works i guess

[toxic pewter]

That looks clean

[fading halo]

Which professions are yall planning on going?

[toxic pewter]

Alchemy engineering probably

This alone I will want to use

Then again as tank not sure how smart that is… just realized it has a cast time

[strong forum]

its gonna be used to do some stupid skips

just like in legion

[toxic pewter]

Yeah so I’ll def be carrying these at all times

Any idea what the cooldown on it will be or how often can even use it

[mossy badge]

So pressing IP a second time just refreshes the duration?

[strong forum]

well if you are capped, yes

[mellow quartz]

not sure if there are any truesight mobs you wanna skip where an invis pot wouldnt be better

[strong forum]

depends how much you wanna skip 🙂

remember arcway

where you skipped 2 full corridors

[vital sinew]

So many banned mobs

[strong forum]

IP is capped at 30% max hp, you cant reach that cap with just 2 IP casts

[mellow quartz]

just don't see much use for DF S1

[strong forum]

neither do i, yet

but time will tell

[ocean bloom]

i only show my stance if im missing one or if im in dstance, and its bigish near the middle to let me know im doing less dmg 🙂

[odd tree]

Might see some weird stuff in the mdi

[sage fable]

Does anyone use the new soft targeting feature? Or everyone still old school tab target?

[sand pebble]

Mouseover and tab target

[toxic pewter]

I use tab a lot tbh tried the new soft target thing and I liked it but turned it off

It’s a bit too inaccurate for how it chooses the mob

[mighty valley]

i've spent 18 years getting used to tab targeting and i can't possibly switch to something else now

[fierce field]

yeah my muscle memory wouldn't let me change if i wanted to

[hollow plume]

It look like it need to be cast before you die.

[covert nova]

kinda sucks 2 tier pieces are crit/mastery

[cobalt seal]

yes

it's used for skips

[hollow plume]

Do you know if it count has a brez in a raid boss fight … or can we simply use it in raid ?

[cobalt seal]

"after combat is ended"

[mellow quartz]

regular rez

[cobalt seal]

literally reads, you can't use during raid fights

[strong forum]

the main use will be so you can res people outside of combat

or deathskip

[cobalt seal]

yep

[mellow quartz]

if you raid without a lock for some reason

this is mandatory lol

[strong forum]

nothing worse than having the 1 person that can rez die

and youre forced to use a combat res

[mellow quartz]

its great for tanks

your team dies around you in a key

you pop this and die

[strong forum]

or when youre about to wipe

saves you a runback

[mellow quartz]

that was my point lol

[cobalt seal]

imagine not having a lock

what's this

1980?

[strong forum]

its called

"we're 7 tanks, 1 dps and 1 healer"

[mellow quartz]

heroic 9 man groups?>

[strong forum]

i hope you remember that cro

[cobalt seal]

yeah

CN

and it was 7-2-2

[strong forum]

only for 1 fight

we were mostly only 1 dps

[cobalt seal]

7 tanks

and we cleared CN in 1h15?

[strong forum]

ye

[cobalt seal]

then we got more dps

and couldn't clear SoFo

[strong forum]

dps forever sandbagging

[ocean finch]

Any pog trinkets to use for leveling when expansion launch as prot?

[strong forum]

earthbreaker, scars

anything that does a dmg effect

chains of domination

[tulip kelp]

Any favorite weakauras for Prot? Didn’t see anything in pins

[sick sentinel]

do we have to download another "dragonlight" WCL?

[strong forum]

nothing specific no

[sick sentinel]

assuming we are playing and want to log

[strong forum]

no

its the same client

[sick sentinel]

it seemed like enough ch anged that they might have redone or recoded it or somethin

but, yes, if it works, don't fix, absolutely.. let us know if there is an udpate deciding to go to a DF version, i don't keeptrack of logs stuff but its important for you guys

[strong forum]

the client tells you automatically

[mellow quartz]

the only issue right now is if you enable advanced combat logging ingame your details meters wont be correct

if you dont you can't log on wcl's

[sick sentinel]

okay, ran the wizard on 5 9 6

[crimson furnace]

https://youtu.be/MVgBDRFgOd0

my boy

lets see what we have here

@strong forum take a look!

[mellow quartz]

it's a fine guide

[strong forum]

its alright

[mellow quartz]

some small weird things but overall decent

[strong forum]

but he never mentiones shield wall

ever

like,whatsoever

SW usage is huge

[mellow quartz]

he went hard for the 'short version guide'

[strong forum]

which is good

but like, not mentioning the insanely low CD of Sw is weird

same as defaulting to spell block is almost entirely useless

[mellow quartz]

indeed, but he does mention multiple alternatives so shrug

I can't believe they might go live without this shit being fixed by the way

https://github.com/Stanzilla/WoWUIBugs/issues/326

"next few weeks"

better be Monday

[sick sentinel]

something something, lots of words didn't read them.
mostly a better approach imo

[mellow quartz]

if you enable advanced combat logging ingame your logs can be 10% off

it will straight up just not log stuff

[nimble laurel]

How low are people seeing the SW CD?

[past drum]

he did mention it at 3:57 but no on screen note

[pallid quiver]

It's like a minute and a half-ish on average, if I remember right

Bit less if you're doing big stonks aoe for bloodsurge, bit more in ST due to less rage

[mellow quartz]

SW is like sub 1min with the wall

[pallid quiver]

oh right
i completely forgot about the wall

but yeah, it's up a hell of a lot for how much reduction it is

[mellow quartz]

its abt 55s ish on ST with m+ talents and 25% haste

its abt 50-55s on 4 dummies

in a real key even less as you get rage from being hit also

maybe 45-50s in aoe at 30% haste I would say

[scenic olive]

so you all have it down to how many seconds, with which talents and what haste value but your complaining it was not mentioned when exactly to use the cd in a video? I think you all dont really need the guide. So if you think bad info is being put out in it make your own and make the world a better place lol

[mellow quartz]

pretty sure people said his guide was fine 🤷‍♂️

[cobalt seal]

My fav streamer isnt getting praised (which he kinda was) REEEEEEEEHHHHHHH

[opaque vine]

That is a lazy response

The second response that is

[pallid quiver]

you

you do realize that the people originally bringing this up do, in fact, write guides

[opaque vine]

anybody can just write a guide

[pallid quiver]

hey, what resources do you use? just curious

[copper minnow]

Anyone have a weak aura for ignore pain that makes a sound effect when your ignore pain 2nd stack has dropped and u can reapply without overcapping?

[pallid quiver]

It

Doesn't stack, really

You'd want it to trigger when the value in the absorb is at 50% max, but that's also a weakaura you likely don't need super much

If you're pressing it and you'd overcap IP, it's better to just overcap the IP and spend the rage instead of holding off

Spending the rage refunds back into Outburst and Anger Management, which gets you more rage and defensive benefit from more Shield Wall, Avatar, etc

At best you would want to know if it's even active at all

[uneven mason]

Literally every person who does warrior vids tend to fall into the "I've got a alt that I do +5s on once a xpac"

[copper minnow]

agreed, is there any weakaura that will beep when you dont have IP up? i imagine it wouldnt be difficult to make but im not well versed with sound auras

[pallid quiver]

If you want a basic one, you can just check for the spell ID the see if the aura fades, and if so, play a sound. Should be in one of the condition categories, iirc?

I'm not at a spot to immediately mess with anything, so I can't give anything directly since I actually don't track IP at the moment on my end

[mellow quartz]

that doesn't apply to Dorki though lol

[uneven mason]

You wouldn't know by watching

[outer thorn]

rather than having a separate WA for Violent Outburst id like to just have the border of my SS light up, how would I go about doing that?

[mellow quartz]

the problem with that is you won't know when it will proc though

so can be right when SS is on cd

[outer thorn]

its not possible to make the border glow for a skill that is on cd? Im mostly aiming to reduce visual clutter and to not waste the proc on TC

[mellow quartz]

you need to track seeing red anyway if you dont wanna use it on TC by mistake

[sturdy sable]

Late ping but this is 100% always the case lol

[outer thorn]

I copied the glow/trigger/condition settings for when my TC weakaura glows during show of force and my SS now behaves the way I want, but am I correct in assuming you were talking about the bug where VO could get consumed by TC at 7 stacks?

[lean arch]

is jumping the same as sitting as far as removing defenses?

[mellow quartz]

No, I mean you want to know BEFORE your get a proc when it will proc so you can line it up with your SS being of CD. If you don’t track seeing red and only the proc itself you will get surprised by it every time and half the time SS will be on CD.

[mellow quartz]

No

[lean arch]

and same for getting knocked up by storming?

[mellow quartz]

Yep

[lean arch]

ok that's what i thought. my gm was just going on about how jumping is bad as a tank for that reason, and why storming is terrible for tanks to get hit by.

[mellow quartz]

You are just being displaced. Not stunned.

[outer thorn]

aha now I see what youre saying, honestly I never feel SS to be on cd for long enough for me to worry too much about it but if you wanted you could add like a pixel glow for when your seeing red is at 6 or 7 or whatever that turns into a full glow at Violent Outburst I guess

[worthy haven]

Is anyone else crazy excited for how INSANELY toxic S1 of DF mythic plus is gonna be

everyone who was used to having free max ilvl stuff in the vault every week of S3/4 of SL, is suddenly going to be struggling to do 15s, and while struggling to do 15s have the knowledge that the highest level gear in the vault is +20s.....and wow pugging is going to be hilarious

I pug exclusively, and can equally enjoy violently toxic groups and chill groups....but I am psyched to see somet of the raging shitters

[deep flame]

Trying to figure out which is the best pugging tank to start out with... any thought? I know pwar is near immortal atm, but can it drag a group through better than bear or vdh?

[mellow quartz]

Ppal

[serene coral]

Pally has bres so its pretty usable

[worthy haven]

Honestly though I've been running a decent amount of keys now and a lot of preservation evokers are trying to heal and are just trash

I think being self-sufficient is going to be very important so I'm going to run warrior or blood

[urban portal]

wasnt week 1 15s pretty tough also

[dark lark]

Both are fun, I'll be playing both

[past drum]

Ppal will always be the best pug tank imo just bc you solo int and don’t have to care how good anyone in the grp is.

[mild otter]

Brothers in arms. I come to you in my time of desperation.

How the fk are you supposed to snap aggro as warrior?

Spamming tyr dungeon and chain pulling. if challenging shout isn't up and the DPS hit it as i'm grouping, it feels like an uphill battle. Like thunderclap isn't enough threat.

[lone eagle]

Yeah he's objectively wrong

Sitting gives enemies an autocrit on you, which is in itself a D&D reference I believe

Jumping actually is often better than not

[mild otter]

Melee auto crit on downed enemies

If they followed that though ranged would have disadvantage to hit 😛

[lone eagle]

In order to account for Z axis discrepancies and server ticks, jumping actually extends the range of many radial AoEs via some vestigial code related to the old Leeway system. I vaguely recall a video in Mechagon showing a warrior whirlwinding max range from several months ago showcasing that this was still a thing

Not a huge amount but it's like an extra yard or so

As far as storming goes, if anyone is going to be hit it should often be you

Yes it does some damage but clearing them for the group is generally worthwhile

Definitely contextual though

[fallen gazelle]

Let them die if they're gonna do stupid shit like that. They should be grinding down the pile of enemies you have aggro on.

[mild otter]

So besides charge/thunderclap/leap we don't got much yea? If they hit it before they're grouped you're just hoping challenging shout is off cd to save it ?

I realize they're being idiots, just trying to understand the class more.

[pallid quiver]

you can also hit revenge, too, while you're dragging around

And if you're running to another pack, you can scatter around heroic throws to help keep aggro and deal a small amount of damage

You can't just slap one TC and go "Alright, guys, I'm going out for milk, cookies, and three more packs, sit there and be good" and expect to keep aggro if that's what's going on

[fallen gazelle]

There's a bunch of stuff that you can do on top of just thunderclapping stuff, and you can spec into better snap aggro

it's just a normal dungeon, you don't really need any amount of investment in defense

[worthy haven]

We have tons of burst DPS at lvl 70, ravager, shockwave, thunderous roar, and shield charge

[fallen gazelle]

He's talking about Live in the prepatch dungeon

[pallid quiver]

shockwave is not a tool you're going to use for aggro. if anything, that's a blatant signal to DPS to "Fuck this group in particular NOW"

[mild otter]

I mean thats just the example of course. Haven't tried it in m+ yet. But bdk and veng didn't have this problem so just comparing here.

[pallid quiver]

so if you then start pulling out of effects after that, you're going to have very unhappy DPS

[fallen gazelle]

but at 60 in a normal dungeon you can still take roar and ravager, on top of using more than 1 attack on a group before leaving it

[mild otter]

Would you run it in M+?

Ravenger over like a random passive?

[fierce field]

yes

[fallen gazelle]

depends on what level of M+. if you're doing low M+ then yeah, probably. If you're doing high M+ and still don't know by then you have more problems

If a dps outgears you significantly enough there's nothing you can do to keep aggro anyway, but stuff will be dead before it matters

[worthy haven]

At lvl 70 on meta I take the whole set of talents that leads to our lil mini cheat death, shield charge plus reprisal, and ravager base ability

I do this because Dorki said so and he's a much better tank than me

Beta*

[mild otter]

Also, just to confirm, you can't stack shield slam can you?

So if i get a proc off of revenge I need to use it immediately

[mortal brook]

yep no saving it up

[mild otter]

Before using another revenge

[mortal brook]

SS cant reset if its not on CD, right

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, so you want to burn an SS proc as soon as possible

It's also your highest damaging ability until you start getting to notably sized AoE, as well, so there's not really much convincing you to press it otherwise until you see at least like 3-4 mobs

[mild otter]

Just double checking. Starting playing prot today at max level so making sure i understand whats going in

[pallid quiver]

It:
Generates rage (more with talents)
Does big boy number
Extends Shield Block with the right talent
Reduces Shield Wall CD with the right talent

it's by far our most stacked ability easy

[fierce field]

It also does more damage if you have Shield Block up, so maintain shield block 🙂

it's a good feedback loop if you have Heavy Repercussions talented

[sand pebble]

is this the only reason? Didnt read any pinned info that shows you what points you can swap depending on content level

[worthy haven]

Ha! Reading! I rage

[pallid quiver]

"read"
we don't even have an int stat

[sand pebble]

Did dorki tell you to rage

You.going to need bsv in a 2

[worthy haven]

I survive off my own primal fury and a picture that dorki put on a video

There's like, several talent nodes per tree

Whos got time to read all that

[mild otter]

Does battle scarred veteran scale the mechagnome passive?

Like would it actually give me 30% hp instead of 15?

[worthy haven]

Try it

Make a class trial mechagnome and a class trial human and compare

[fair elm]

👋 Looking at tanks to play in DF. Had two questions:

Subjectively, is Warrior shaping up to be fun? I found them reasonably punch in Shadowlands and enjoyed their tanking. Curious if that holds true.

Defensive stance. Do you just sit in it currently? My assumption is no because you want to parse. But I'm not sure how things are tuned (and I understand that's a moving target -- just curious if there were ideas already for 70)

[pallid quiver]

In everything people have seen in beta, your party will generally die before you ever remotely need defensive stance.

Warrior's got a very synergistic playstyle, but it's a lot less physically demanding and relatively simpler to play than Shadowlands S3 and S4 Warrior

[fair elm]

ty! That's weird about dstance. It almost felt like they'd tune everything else around needing to be in that to survive

[pallid quiver]

Tanks in general just don't engage in that dying thing at the moment

I think the only one in concern of that was Brew, and I'm not sure if they've changed that yet

[fair elm]

rofl what a weird way to look at it

or rather, what a weird state of balance is what I mean

Surely in Mythic raids the tuning will matter quite a bit and dstance might come into play

[pallid quiver]

From everything we can tell numbers wise last I heard, doesn't actually look like it yet.

I think pushing M+ keys is a lot more likely for using Dstance

maybe it might be useful for prog Mythic raiding, but tanks weren't having much trouble overall last I heard for even raid damage

[fair elm]

Word. Thanks for the feedback.

[sand pebble]

Consider d stance as an active on demand 20% dr, not something yiu need to be in all the time

[pallid quiver]

This all being said, tuning's gonna be taking place all the way until the content releases for sure, so like the last boss could start chunking people pre-nerf Jailer style that could encourage Dstance or something

[worthy haven]

I will be in Dstance 100% of the time, cuz my Dick is enormous

[solar blade]

Dorki has loaded up a guide for prot in m+, recommend looking it up - it eliminates a lot of questions

[teal stirrup]

Anyone know what build use to lvling to70?

[solar blade]

also covers D- and Bstance. Tl:dr you sit in dstance a lot of the time but if you use cds you can swap to bstance for minmax (avatar, ravager, roar+itsbleed, demoshout) its that way to increase dmg from everything in those seconds

[solar blade]

just finish m+ talent tree and you gtg, leveling build is really niche atm

as prot take into the fray for leveling, stay bstance, enjoy

one could argue to take imp. leap to speed up a bit but leveling is going to be super fast anyway so thats on you i guess

personally im going to take bear tartar + warmachine speed and maybe improved leap

pull as many mobs as possible and just enjoy smashing my buttons

[scenic olive]

Im gonna guess you are trying to attempt sarcasm? The guy most certainly is not my favorite streamer, mid pack at best.

[limpid anchor]

On what key level is it “a lot of the time”?

[scenic olive]

You do in fact realize i dont care? And if so i guess i have not heard of them must be great lol

[warm plinth]

💤

[pallid quiver]

one of these days it's gonna start getting difficult reading these chats

[warm plinth]

You do in fact realize i dont care?

😂

[pallid quiver]

thing pinged me for that

so there's another one on the list

eventually imma just see a blank wall with like,

[warm plinth]

I was memeing

[pallid quiver]

you speaking once a day

oh

i meant the thing, not you, Ghash

[warm plinth]

ohhh

[pallid quiver]

Being pinged by you is a pleasure

We love ya

[warm plinth]

[solar blade]

that does not really matter since low keys are easily timed with or without beeing in bstance the whole duration; in higher keys you minmax via using bstance only for your burst window, also optimizes the heals dmg output if he doesnt have to heal you all the time which isnt that frequent in dstance
i tend to listen to dorkis advices since he knows what hes doing; at the end of the day - you do you my friend

[sly perch]

I LOVE TANKING WITH WARRIOR

Just wanted to get it out there. Have a nice day

[knotty idol]

Ty you too

[warm plinth]

@ionic fern hi ily

[sand pebble]

or sit in bstance and use def stance as a dr when its needed - more damage is always needed, dr is not

[ionic fern]

Good morning, how are you?

[warm plinth]

I'm doing well. Had me a delicious dinner then went into a food coma. Just finished the wrath dk intro for my mount and now I just need a dimmed primeval storm from the pre-patch event

[ionic fern]

Sounds like you got it all planned out.

[brittle owl]

[lone bolt]

hey, dont know if this is the right place to ask, but, as many others, i miss gladiator stance. And with the new talents, i was wondering, is there anyone looking into the viability of a talent composition that makes dps prot a thing. or maybe a arms/fury using sword and shield?

[jagged pier]

nope

[zenith vale]

In PvP I have excellent results

PvE dunno

[loud whale]

Most arms and fury skills don’t even work if you equip a shield

[limpid anchor]

But you always have shield slam!

[loud whale]

LuL

[loud musk]

Quick Question I just saw a guide where they said to max burst going into a pack is Avater>Ravager>Dragon Roar (I forgot the new name)> Demo Shout. Why would I not Demo shout after the avater since with booming voice i also increase the dmg I deal to the target

[hidden linden]

Because using Ravager & Thunderous Roar are dead GCDs that don't do any damage, it's the DoT / spinning weapon that does

You will shout when those 2 are down so the DoTs will be increased, as well as your normal spells you'll press during that time

[rough solar]

Could you elaborate on what is good/optimal SW usage?

[deep spruce]

Just to use it often I'd expect, since it has a really short cd

[inner hound]

Half of roars damage is in the initial hit. At least that's what the tooltip says. That should go into the demo shout window for sure?

[strong forum]

80% of roars dmg is the dot, the tooltip isnt really indicative of that

You want to get as much of the roar in the demo window as possible optimally

[pallid quiver]

If Nome doesn't get to it, you want to mitigate as much damage as possible with it. This means sending it fairly liberally to get use out of anger management cooldown reduction, but not necessarily sending on CD if you're not going to be taking damage. You should likely have it at the start of every pull which is a good starting point

[inner hound]

Do you know the actual numbers? roughly?

[pallid quiver]

since the starts of pulls are always the most dangerous since most mobs are alive and people haven't gotten settled to the damage intake (rather, lack of intake for prot warrior but)

[strong forum]

Whenever you have CDs ready ask yourself this "do I need this for something specific before the CD would come back up?" if the answer is no then you can safely send defensives pretty much on cooldown until you know "okay I can't use this just yet because I need SW at this specific moment"

[rough solar]

Thank you!

[strong forum]

16k the initial hit, 66k is the dot

On 1 target

[neat wagon]

In the opener: Avatar>Ravager>T.roar>demo shout, can be ravager and roar be switched or should be this way cuz its more optimal?

[atomic matrix]

Hey all, this might be a dumb question, but atm i used the pre-patch m+ build, but i found this one https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUUUkRRQRgFBQBBMVUVEVBRFVIFQCQE , where they also get booming voice, but not sure if it's worth the swap?

[strong forum]

Ravager > charge + avatar > shield charge > Demo > roar

[inner hound]

Depending if that's beta or live, 16k would be a "big" number on live right? Since you drop one tick of roar outside shout anyway (first or last wouldn't make it) then you still shout into roar no?

[inner hound]

Ah, yeah

[pallid quiver]

shame we don't fit the first shield charge after demo

it's definitely a feel good button

[strong forum]

Nah 16 isn't big

Shield slam outburst crits for up to 170k

Thunderclap outburst crits up to 70k

but

[inner hound]

So those were beta numbers then?

[strong forum]

Roar is 100%uncapped

Yes beta numbers

[atomic matrix]

@strong forum is booming voice worth getting over show of force?

[strong forum]

In DF, yes

But you'll play both almost always

Show of force is the first talent you'll drop to get BSV

[atomic matrix]

But atm it's not? And thank you!

[strong forum]

Yeah, you're better off picking focused vigor because it's more damage, you don't need the rage from BV currently because you have banner

And to make BV better need to plat TL aswell

[atomic matrix]

ah damn, guess i'm changeing back 😛

[strong forum]

And you just don't have the point

[safe shale]

So in Beta I didn't know the rotation priority until you just gave them, but I had charge and Shield charge macro'd to the same button to save space. Is there a way to have it just charge first like you said in the opener? Then press again to Shield charge

[strong forum]

put charge before shield charge

[safe shale]

/use Charge
/use Shield Charge

I feel like that wouldn't work

Oh it does?

[ocean bloom]

In df will we want to send an early revenge to get 2p rolling before we pop cds?

[mellow quartz]

It’s 4% 🤷‍♂️

Generally you wanna focus the initial rage on getting sb and ip up.

[strong forum]

no matter which order i put 2pc

it didnt have an effect on dps

if either before CDs

after CDs

before SS, after SS

before execute, after execute

all the same

[cobalt seal]

Skill issue

[ocean bloom]

Huh weird

[strong forum]

is it?

it costs a global to put up 4% dmg buff

every 5 seconds

[ocean bloom]

True

[strong forum]

(uptime is 85% in ST anyway)

if you just put it up before execute

[mild otter]

Yeah i'm clearly missing something here..is there any way I can log m+ to upload for review?

I feel like prot is just 2 tiers below BDK and VDH in terms of control and survivability. Not sure why.

Since everyone else is saying its busted strong atm

[strong forum]

are you max level yet?

[mild otter]

60 yeah

[strong forum]

but i guess since you asked about m+, ye

you log m+ the same way you log raid

[mild otter]

Just did a 10 and it felt pretty rough

[strong forum]

turn on combat logging, advanced combat logging

then upload it via the wcl client after the key is over

[lusty tiger]

You should be able to solo a +10

Not u, but the state of pwar currently

[sick sentinel]

still until launch for us to get giga cuck nerfs

its a possibility....

[cobalt seal]

a meteor striking earth and ending the world is also a possibility (today)

[lusty tiger]

Right now

On yogis opinion

[sick sentinel]

i dont want that to happen particularly

[mild otter]

Me and the shadow duo'd the end of iron docks

But don't think you can retroactively add logs right?

[cobalt seal]

what your ilvl?

[mild otter]

265

[cobalt seal]

what build you using?

[sick sentinel]

i have loggerhead and then to knowledge never upload them

[mild otter]

I'll just do a new one. Turned on WCL

[sick sentinel]

that autmatically creates a log just for +13 top and then +14 pf you did right after

[cobalt seal]

just remember to always have SB active when tanking, press SW close to on cd

[sick sentinel]

makes them 2 logs that start when you zone in or out automatically

[mild otter]

Where's the options for advanced logging?

Just the one in network?

[sacred flare]

any advice on what professions to for DF

[mortal brook]

whatever your guildies arent specializing in yep. public work orders are omegasus cuz you cant set a minimum star quality

[sacred flare]

omegasus?

simi bad?

I see it now lol

[cedar lintel]

Hello guys.

In order to get the prot hidden artifact appearance i need to complete first the prot artifact quest line ?

[sacred flare]

You dont just did it like a month ago

[cedar lintel]

oh ok so i just go to the cave everyday until the message appears ?

[sacred flare]

Yep

[cedar lintel]

thanks a lot

[strong forum]

if you did end up logging the key

the .txt is on your PC

cant retroactively log, but can always upload the log if it has been generated

[smoky dock]

@strong forum Hey I am curious what macros you use while you tank?

[strong forum]

nothing special

just some mouseover stuff for taunt/heroic throw

the interevene/charge macro

and the ip/ss

[ocean bloom]

wait ip/ss macro?

[smoky dock]

Do you mess with the charge/shield charge? and also can you send over the ip/ss for me

[strong forum]

bro im boutta make a pin bout that macro

[ocean bloom]

plz 🙂

[strong forum]

cba explaining it every other day

for 10minutes

[smoky dock]

I have not seen it yet man or else I wouldnt have asked I will search for it in a moment thanks

[strong forum]

My IP+SS Macro

/cast Shield Slam```

YES, i macro'd **,specifically in that order,** Shield Slam **TO** my regular Ignore Pain Keybind.
❗ THIS IS ONLY ON IGNORE PAIN, NOT TO BE USED AS YOUR NORMAL SHIELD SLAM BUTTON ❗ 

__**What does this do?**__
This allows you do snipe individual SS resets when you want to Press IP without missing a couple milliseconds of it already being active.
In this specific order it also spends rage before you generate it, meaning you are less likely to overcap Rage.
It saves a couple milliseconds of reaction time and finger movement each time.

[cobalt seal]

@strong forum but what if you are in 20 target pulls

And you dont want to ss

[lusty tiger]

[strong forum]

then you just hammer revenge + IP, the gcd will work in your favour of not sending SS

[lusty tiger]

[obsidian path]

Makes sense, I already use a lot of ip after ability use because that's when rages comes in

[smoky dock]

@strong forum Thank you I appreicate it

[grizzled nova]

I put everything off the gcd on my mouse so the same hand isnt competing for apm

[mellow quartz]

in avatar, TC would be more damage than revenge though

[tropic sundial]

I do the ooposite. GCDs on the MMO mouse, OGCD/CDs on the keyboard.

[strong forum]

well duh

i changed up pins a bit

the rend and macro shit is now in the large FYI + Bug pin further down

[tropic sundial]

Now if only people were reading the pins

[strong forum]

their issue

[storm shell]

u sure m8?

[strong forum]

instead of explaining it every time

can jsut say pins

thats the whole point

[modern brook]

[tropic sundial]

Oh yeah, pins are good. It's just mind boggling that after yars of using discord people still don't understand to check the pins lol

[modern brook]

🤓 well I was looking to have a conversation about it with real humans so that's why I asked without checking the pins 🤓

[strong forum]

lots of people are new and pins are unintuitive

[storm shell]

is there a pin for best race? 🙂

[cobalt seal]

Yes

Mechagnome

[storm shell]

but dwarf

[fierce field]

What criteria are we using for best?

[cobalt seal]

But mechagnome!

[fierce field]

Fashion? Function? Beard quality?

[cobalt seal]

Fashion always

[storm shell]

ability to remove bleeds would be nice

[cobalt seal]

Mate

[modern brook]

Hense mechagnome

[cobalt seal]

Races dont matter

Literally dont fucking matter

[storm shell]

then why are top players playing dwarf?

[cobalt seal]

Choose the one you like the most visually

Because they are stupid and copy

[tropic sundial]

nice bait

[fierce field]

Because dwarf is the best visually

[mellow quartz]

your top build in the pins still has that comment abt instigate vs bloodsurge but dont think that is a valid argument anymore after the buff

[storm shell]

copy who?

[cobalt seal]

My mom

[storm shell]

is she a dwarf?

[cobalt seal]

She is the best pwar in the world

[crystal mauve]

Vulpera is the superior race of course

[sick sentinel]

true because 40 yard pull

[strong forum]

i think in AV Instigate will still be the play

[mellow quartz]

dont really have a sub 5 target pull in AV

[sick sentinel]

i can't speak much about the nose DR thing, i didn't pay that much attention

[strong forum]

LOL

almost every single pull in AV is sub 5

[cobalt seal]

If people worried so much about their performance as they for their races we wouldnt have this questions

[strong forum]

there are like 2 pulls that arent 1-3

[mellow quartz]

pull more lol

first 2 are probably 4 and 4

packs in the circle can all be combined for 80% of them

[storm shell]

any thoughts on this tiers list for tanks?

[strong forum]

undead???

[mellow quartz]

everything in 2nd boss room can be double or triple pulled

[cobalt seal]

Mechagnome isnt S

Shit list

[modern brook]

I can't tell if this is advanced trolling or another serious discussion about races

[crystal mauve]

Advances trolling for sure

[cobalt seal]

At this point its obvious a troll

The tier list made it obvious

[tropic sundial]

Nightborne at B lol

[modern brook]

[sick sentinel]

i did pay attention to 40 yard range, you know like command and conquer and you build a bunch of guys and tanks and send it at base and get wiped to base defence turrets and lazeers and army? and then you reload the save game right before you attacked and build some artillery to hit towers before they can do anything so you then win.

its very noticible and good practice more what i mean, the advantage that can have

[cobalt seal]

Wtf is yogi talking about

[tropic sundial]

wut

[sick sentinel]

this is about vulpe 40 yard racial

[storm shell]

its from clash of clans I believe

[sick sentinel]

i can make argument that vulpera isn't a bad race for protectionwarrior

and that's why

[modern brook]

Because of clash of clans?

[strong forum]

the only relevant tierlist

[limpid anchor]

I can’t tell if yogi is a troll or drunk

[modern brook]

No orc bad list Ugzug

[crystal mauve]

A trunk maybe?

[sick sentinel]

nah im not drunk

[storm shell]

where orc

[strong forum]

i dont list races with useless racials

[cobalt seal]

Both

[modern brook]

Smh wait till prot warrior gets a pet

[strong forum]

this is objectively performance based

[storm shell]

watch me get top 1 as orc

[modern brook]

Then you'll come crawling back

[strong forum]

entirely possible

[sick sentinel]

as long as you don't go undead prot warrior i don't really care

that's just dumb

[strong forum]

as races are 99.5% aesthetics

[storm shell]

undead literally gives u 1 talent point wdym

[crystal mauve]

Race is less of a problem than gameplay for keys haha

[storm shell]

by not goind bers rage

[strong forum]

exactly

[cobalt seal]

"If people worried so much about their performance as they for their races we wouldnt have this questions"

[strong forum]

^

lets min-max everything but my own play!

this is the world of warcraft that we play

[modern brook]

I only wish to do well on the excel sheet

[blazing condor]

Whyd you cut out the top part of the list

[sick sentinel]

what i was trying to say with the command and conquer bit, is its very easy to see how an artillery can be helpful and you instantly get why its a good thing, (long range like 40 yard vulpera) and then if i build another tank or 2, the advantage is less clear to see. (nose dr)

[cobalt seal]

https://tenor.com/view/didnt-ask-spongebob-gif-21846950

[sick sentinel]

i'll never understand why this dude has a hate boner for me lol

[limpid anchor]

Bcs dh mains suck ass

[strong forum]

technically hes a hunter

[cobalt seal]

My hunter has like 4x time played than my dh

[limpid anchor]

Hunter is hunter

[ionic fern]

@cobalt seal Told you. Couple of days.

[cobalt seal]

And a warrior is a warrior

[cobalt seal]

Yeah

Unlucky

Didnt last til expansion

It was nice while it lasted

[ionic fern]

[cobalt seal]

Maybe we can bribe putin to pay him a visit and recruit him

[astral crystal]

fem dwarf should also be up there

[strong forum]

didnt wanna put the same one twice

[cobalt seal]

You mean draenei*

[astral crystal]

they're their own category ofc, it wouldn't be a repetition

[tropic sundial]

Can't wait for cross faction guilds to have even more choices for races

[mild otter]

Do you have to restart wow after enabling logging?

It said it was logged but my logs are empty

It gave me a link and everything >.> Just trying to figure this prot shit out.

[ionic fern]

#protection message

^ the logging pasta.

[mild otter]

Meaning warcraft logs app no longer works?

[sick sentinel]

combat logging
its placed under networking in options,
wut .jpg

[mild otter]

Never heard of loggerhead before now.

[ionic fern]

Please read.

[mild otter]

Advanced logging is. Go ahead and have a peek.

[ionic fern]

Those are just the "i'm too lazy to manually turn on logging" apps.

[sick sentinel]

i dont understand how or why it sbeen like that for so long but i can never get over this

[ionic fern]

1)Turn on advanced logging
2)Type /combatlog in game (or use a addon to do it automatically)
3)Do your content
4)Download warcraftlogs app to upload the logs.

[mild otter]

Yeah so that didn't address the issue at all. It says the logs have begun but the log file ends up empty. Different things entirely.

[ionic fern]

How long was the encounter?
Where is the log file? You sure it's the one where it was logged?

[mild otter]

I enabled live log in WCL addon. It said it began logging. I stopped the log, it gave me a link to WCL with the log which has the current dungeon info but no data.

[mellow quartz]

dont live log a key

[mild otter]

I'll just restart and give it another go

[mellow quartz]

just do the key and upload the log afterwards

[ionic fern]

Did you /combatlog in the game?

[ionic fern]

? I always livelog keys.

[storm shell]

why

[mild otter]

So you mean live log doesn't start combat logging automatically?

[ionic fern]

Please read the pasta.

It literally explains it there.

The FIRST point.

That you asked about .

First, download Loggerhead (https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/loggerhead) or ERT (https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/exorsus-raid-tools)

Once you have one of these any time you enter a zone where you might want a log (ie dungeon/raid/torghast) these addons will automatically start logging (in the case of ERT you have to activate automated logging in the options).
Alternatively if you don’t want to install an addon for it, whenever you are going to do an activity you want to log type /combatlog in chat to start logging said activity.
Remember to activate advanced logging in the options (System -> Network -> Advanced Combat Logging)
All these options will store your logs in your wow file inside the retail folder and the log file.

[mild otter]

"Or use an addon to do it for you"

So yeah I did read. I assumed "live log" and "logging started" began logs. Fuck me right?

[ionic fern]

"Once you have one of these any time you enter a zone where you might want a log (ie dungeon/raid/torghast) these addons will automatically start logging (in the case of ERT you have to activate automated logging in the options). "

Pass.

[mild otter]

Same. Go next.

[ionic fern]

Either manually do /combatlog in game everytime..or download one of the addons to do it.

I prefer the addons.

After that the content gets logged.

After that's done,warcraftlogger reads the log file

And uploads.

[mild otter]

Again. There's no reason you would assume "logging started" wouldn't mean that you had began combat logging.

But you're making it seem like its the craziest shit ever lolll

[ionic fern]

You do you.

[sick sentinel]

i can't be arsed to remember to do it each time

[modern brook]

Logging is objectively bad

Why would I commit my mistakes to paper when I can just pretend I played perfectly and blame my team?

[cobalt seal]

or why would I listen to anything other people say about those logs

[sick sentinel]

this addon (figuratvely for "....wat...."' 'ers in chat rolling my eyes) takes all the pages to the home work i'm working on and puts them in folders and with dividers and tabs and such.
say i want to log 3 keys over the afternoon and evening, have to remember to start and turn off logs before and after, i no longer have to do this with the auto logger handler, its now on 3 seperate folders instead a giant mess of paper when i go to retrieve it later to look at it and is less stress isn't the correct word

i barely know how the log stuff really works, but i know its important to you guys to see how me and others do things right and wrong so i have to keep up with it if i want to hang around here often and chat.

[outer thorn]

its good to see golden number so brain release happy chemical

[spark ermine]

I just assume I do everything wrong and don't need logs for that! 😛

[sick sentinel]

only logging on wow should be tree chopping logging like on new world

tried it for an hour the other day, gathering is fun, combat is different, i'll stop now.

[uneven mason]

And the bot armies are so courteous

[sick sentinel]

i figured the bald man had bitched about and shilled the game for far too long and so i said fuck you, i will buy this stupid ass game, see its that bad or not

[uneven mason]

It's actually worse

[sick sentinel]

spent 3 days, complaining about, getting hit by attacks "he shouldn't be able to get hit by"

[warm plinth]

Quick question, did you type /combatlog after the key was activated?

[lone bolt]

i completely forgot i asked this, lol. Do you have a build you want to share? might test it out just for fun.

[zenith vale]

BkEAR5QSZgdnGefDo4ho9ZGXKLgAAAAASSikkgUSKikWBRICkAlkENgAQLkEBCEJAAAAAAAAAAoUKA

my current one

i'm not sure about sudden death vs show of force

execute does miserable dmgs in pvp atm

and clap/revenge are nice

my biggest claps crits does 11-15k on players

dont forget to take Sword and Board for 30% crit

[sturdy sable]

Dont worry execute does miserable damage in pve as well

[zenith vale]

and Morale Killer when enemy team burst for -25% dmgs

:( dosequis

enduring defenses works with sword and board tally

vs casters always take spell block when they burst u

and tough as nails is wonderful vs melee ofc

[lone bolt]

Thanks!

[sick sentinel]

can't be worse than bot ark.... wonder how that games going.... opens door to apartment on fire

or runescape :S played rs loads as well, tons of bots in that

[lusty tiger]

I’ve been on fresh start worlds

[lusty tiger]

When are we playing some rs brother

[sick sentinel]

oh, i did everything that game had to offer and more

IRL fist fight related to RS at one point.

[lusty tiger]

Yo wtf

Yogi I have 13 days played on one month

[sick sentinel]

yeah i remember when i would spend all day and night on RS, good times.

[lusty tiger]

Are you done for good?

Wait but can you tell me about this irl fight over RuneScape pls

Yogi I sent a dm hope that’s ok

[cinder nova]

Any particular reason I see builds picking up Overwhelming Rage?

I don't see the value in banking an extra 15 rage because we're pretty much spending it as fast as we get it

[lusty tiger]

On big aoe it is handy

[cinder nova]

How?

[sick sentinel]

that's a long time ago IRL fight, i just haven't logged into wow to do anything of value in a month now, im hoping when it launches im able to get on and enjoy it

[lusty tiger]

You have so many rends ticking you’re strapped for globals to spend AND revenge costs more (w barbaric)

[mellow quartz]

its a big QOL

[lusty tiger]

Like u beat someone up?

[sick sentinel]

not exactly, but there was fists, and it was a fight and it resulted in one of use getting beat lol

then we got over it

[blazing condor]

bro got skulltricked in deep wildy

[mellow quartz]

I hope they do m+ on beta this weekend, other what am I to do until DF launch on monday

[reef matrix]

yes please give back beta M+ 😭

[cobalt seal]

it should be up already

and no sign of the hotfixes on beta

[mellow quartz]

only the last 2 weeks it was up this early and yesterday was Thanksgiving in the US

the weeks before it was only announced like 4pm EST on Fridays

so still hoping

[sick sentinel]

ive seen people die doing clue scrolls in deep wildy

people that are my friends irl together at like library or school computers or friends

i've seen everything

[blazing condor]

making it sound like it was irl lmao

like some old 'nam vet talking bout the war

[sand torrent]

Lmao

[sick sentinel]

we thought we were big and tough

outsmarted them, 4 of us at 1 house all playing rs in wildy

then we go to lesser demons and the decoy calls in 100 clan guys

[rough solar]

Is Shield Charge supposed to be on both the global cooldown AND the Charge cooldown, or is it a bug?

[cobalt seal]

If you are in melee its on gcd

If you arent its off

[rough solar]

Thank you

[lusty tiger]

is that intended?

[rough solar]

It's off the charge gcd, not the global

[cobalt seal]

Who knows

I guess so

[lusty tiger]

so it is off gcd if u use it like reprisal

that is kind of cool i guess

[cinder nova]

I fail to see how. I rarely rage cap during triple and quad pulls in M+

Just seems like a talent better for players not used to high APM

[covert owl]

But is there not snapshotting for the dot? Would think you’d need to demo first then roar so the dot does benefit from the bonus damage

[cinder nova]

It's to ensure you get full value out of the 20% as it's up

Pressing it while they ramp is time you aren't getting on Rav and Roar

Also no

Snapshotting hasn't been a thing since like...

Cata

Only feral has snapshots

I dunno if that's the case anymore now either

[covert owl]

It’s still a thing for feral and rogues

[cinder nova]

Not for any other class as far as I'm aware.

You can test it yourself right now

Go rend something and Demo

Watch the bleed damage go up and then down

[covert owl]

No I mean I trust you if you already tested it, just thought I’d ask

I know snapshotting has been slowly patched out for most classes but sometimes new interactions pop up that bring it back

[weary python]

Is there a decent raid build out there? I know most of the focus is on m+recently

[cinder nova]

[zenith vale]

https://i.gyazo.com/db1ca4f1465390a6b0de0781072ab230.png

sword and board power

[cinder nova]

What build are you using, Troma?

[zenith vale]

BkEAR5QSZgdnGefDo4ho9ZGXKLgAAAAASSikkgUSKikWBRICkAlkENgAQLkEBCEJAAAAAAAAAAoUKA

but in DF i will try 15% and 20% more bleeds dmg

because rend is my 2nd source

with slam

[cinder nova]

Instigate over surge?

Do you trade spiked for spell block when you're on spell comps

[zenith vale]

yup i dont need rage at all, in pvp im always capped

i spam IP

and revenge

yes, spell block vs magic

[lyric geode]

Is spell block that good on pvp?

[tropic gorge]

Well my tank friends. Sl has been fun. I finally got part of my goal and ran a few 20s. Timed 2 tanking on the warrior.
Excited for what is in store for df. I hope everyone had a great holiday, and has a wonderful weekend. Next week, we begin anew

[mellow quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-the-rock-rock-go-rock-lets-go-lg-gif-18455293

[tropic gorge]

Yess

[zenith vale]

vs casters burst only

or magic burst

like DK DH

[naive sinew]

does rallying cry overlap? or does it share a cd?

with another warrior

[blazing condor]

it doesnt share cd but i dont think it stacks

[naive sinew]

k tnx

[outer thorn]

it is interesting though, Id assume it would refresh the max hp% duration when the other warrior casts it, but would the second cast grant another 15% temporary health , and would that health be based on the base hp or the 15% buffed hp?

[craggy pilot]

what are some big brain things to prepare for DF launch?

[past drum]

gunshoes. gliders. bonefish movespeed on kill food. speed gems lvling trees with movement stuff

[radiant magnet]

within 30m of getting to the isles you get drake #1. after that, you want the 48 glyphs. it's worth pausing your leveling for the 45m-1h it takes to grab those glyphs - account bound, massive QOL improvement.

pre launch, worth bookmarking a video or reddit post w/ locations

[craggy pilot]

i have bonefish already, not sure how many i need total, maybe a bit more than i have now

[past drum]

i just got like 100. had bear tartar from sl luanch in my bank still so def wont use them all

[mellow quartz]

not sure if its worth spending an hour to get something to help you level when leveling itself is abt 6h, dont think the extra stuff makes up for that lol

[craggy pilot]

is lvling 6hrs with special tactics? or just normal following quests?

[past drum]

did they lower the time to lvl? thought it was around 10

[radiant magnet]

up to you, but tons of ppl are gonna be transitioning first time to dragonflight from old flight and raging

[mellow quartz]

the real point though is speed leveling is beyond pointless as you have 2 weeks of doing nothing after you get to max level other than doing the m0 dungeons and getting heroic gear otherwise

[craggy pilot]

should i just go Warmode? i guess im not really an easy PvP target when prot 🤔

or is it always a PvP fight zone in the landing area?

[radiant magnet]

yeah, leveling is trivial tbh. no real point in racing since you're just starting the grind once you get there

no clue on warmode

[past drum]

only if u plan to lvl with people and as the majority faction for ur server imo

[craggy pilot]

hmm guess ill go without WM then

10% is not alot anyway

still not 100% on if i lvl as Arms or PRot

[past drum]

im just gonna prot so i can pull big for friends

[mellow quartz]

if you are not trying to level as be the no1 to 70 on the server or something then just do whatever you feel like

literally doesn't matter

[craggy pilot]

Arms bladestorm is always fun to mass pull with

but Prot can mass pull back to back

and Second wind

[weary python]

The ignore pain/shield block macro in pins, you just replace normal ignore.pain with it?

[random hare]

its shield slam isnt it? dont think youre supposed to mix shield block and ignore pain. if you mean shield slam, looks like it from the descirption

[mellow quartz]

It’s ignore pain and shield slam and just replaces the ignore pain button.

[weary python]

Do I need to adjust anything at all when I use it? I.e. wait until rage is at a certain threshold?

[warm plinth]

No, you literally just press it like you would Ignore Pain

[weary python]

Ty

[warm plinth]

Just make sure ignore pain comes first in the macro

[sage granite]

What would you drop to put a couple more points for giga shockwave build?

[warm plinth]

nothing, or that would be the build probably x_x

[strong forum]

you drop Thunderous words

this is "giga shockwave" build

for lvl 70

specifically in "" cuz its not giga at all

for lvl 60 shockwave build is not playable

youre just omega shooting yourself if you do that

[warm plinth]

Listen, having a damage cooldown is a crutch

I'm gonna run spear + shockwave

[strong forum]

kinda cringe

given that unstoppable force increases shockwave dmg by 50%

https://i.imgur.com/jzMjMwz.png

[warm plinth]

listen, builds don't have to make sense

[agile pumice]

if shockwave always crits then elysian might is big damage too, this is the objectively correct giga shockwave build

[strong forum]

this hurts to look at

[radiant magnet]

if your goal is to boost healer morale by letting them out dps you, pure win

[wary heath]

50% x 350% 🙏

[craggy pilot]

lol

if shockwave is gonna top our DPS

🤣

[strong forum]

its moreso (100+50+350)x2 iirc

[mellow quartz]

It does a lot of damage. Just better options.

Might be best for leveling with it being insta damage and short CD.

[strong forum]

its good for leveling for 2 levels

[ebon wren]

shockwave build is fun, but you hit diminishing returns on stuns/interrupts quickly. it doesn't even interrupt anymore, not sure about regular kicks could stop working

[craggy pilot]

and +25% from EM on every 2nd Shockwave