my assumption is someone tags the adds for another group, this tells the robot to blow up in both groups when explosion happens
#protection
sick sentinel
minor helm
Where the mobs die charges the closest robot
sick sentinel
yeah and so, we are consistantly getting 2 robots same time
glacial sky
If the closest is already full energy, it goes to the next closest. In lfr/normal/heroic, you often charge up two before the first aoe
sick sentinel
i'm watching and robot 2 is standing up and then he does the shielding animation
then dies
the 3rd robot sitting on butt
so, don't you not have a 3rd safe spot then if you do 2 at once?
cobalt seal
Where the mobs die charges the closest robot
If closest is charged it goes onto next one
minor helm
Or that
minor helm
If you still needed a 3rd core yeah you would go to it
glacial sky
so, don't you not have a 3rd safe spot then if you do 2 at once?
Why would you need one? Charge up two, hide from aoe, drop both orbs, charge up third and drop orb, kill boss
sick sentinel
cuz. far as i can tell.. there is 3 bombs
and 3 sets of protection adds
i mean, very 123 f or me
minor helm
There’s no difference popping 1 at a time or 2
Just pick up both bombs and throw at boss
glacial sky
No reason to be, once you drop all three orbs the aoe doesn’t goes off anymore and main boss comes down
sick sentinel
irght, but how are you supposed to survive when boss one comes out if you uses 2/3 on first one
and then is a second bomb inbetween
cobalt seal
?
glacial sky
The boss doesn’t do the aoe once it’s down?
minor helm
What
sick sentinel
i think i have it recording
sick sentinel
im not exactly tanking it
but, well, yeah i mean, same scenario happens 5 times, we wipe 5 times i dunno
glacial sky
If Guardian actually worked this way, lfr would literally never kill it lol
minor helm
You’re making LFR sound harder than mythic
vital sinew
LFR is the real difficulty
sick sentinel
this group is making lfr harder than mythic lol
cobalt seal
Get orb to boss
sick sentinel
am just some dps guy
glacial sky
Are y’all not dropping off both orbs and forcing a third aoe?
cobalt seal
Because you can solo carry it lol
minor helm
Sounds like they aren’t dropping orbs on boss
And they prob don’t understand the stand in circle mechanic
minor helm
That too
glacial sky
But like, what are they doing while the third aoe is charging? All of the adds would be dead for like 45 seconds at least
sick sentinel
imjust trying to do 1 raid boss for a dinar to get some apperance
modern brook
I think 1st boss lfr sofo is bugged tbh
cobalt seal
Instead of complaining people dont know how to do it
minor helm
To give yogi a little slack I would never do lfr sfo guardian
glacial sky
I think 1st boss lfr sofo is bugged tbh
Worked as expected for me the other day
sick sentinel
follwing directions and the pack and then asking the raid whats going wrong nobody knows and then getting frustated after 5 wipes same thing across multiple days
sick sentinel
not like, i just wiped once and asked nobody and then reeee
sick sentinel
i quit, they were waiting on a tank and im not a tank on that toon
cobalt seal
Boss got to 41 then we died
How did you die
modern brook
No more circles
glacial sky
I hate this conversation
modern brook
nah orbs were being sent
cobalt seal
Or the mobs didnt drop them
modern brook
boss just didnt get to 40
glacial sky
It shouldn’t be possible to have the boss down and still need a circle.
minor helm
LFR players don’t know their dps buttons and they don’t understand the circle mechanic
spring umbra
was crab build used?
cobalt seal
boss just didnt get to 40
Hmm interesting
modern brook
It shouldn’t be possible to have the boss down and still need a circle.
boss never spawned for me
Iunno i legit tried it once a couple of times in 1 instance said "oh ok probably prepatch bug" and just left
didnt think too much
last yew
stance macro? i had it but lost it
minor helm
Isn’t it a health % you have to hit for him to come down?
modern brook
stance macro? i had it but lost it
pins
modern brook
Isn’t it a health % you have to hit for him to come down?
yeah he phases at 40 but the balls were only taking him to 41
minor helm
Aaah
modern brook
at least thats my shitty understanding of the fight
modern brook
super willing to admit that i have sleep through that fight every time
last yew
amazing
modern brook
i was only doing it cause i was 14/15 on my dinar
mellow quartz
Talking abt raid mechanics with 11 days left of the expansion 🤦♂️
minor helm
I would prob sign up for all lfr wings just to snipe any queue but guardian does not seem easily LFRable
modern brook
I would prob sign up for all lfr wings just to snipe any queue but guardian does...
I did lol just got that popped first
minor helm
glacial sky
just did the first boss, worked fine
sick sentinel
lfr?
glacial sky
Yessir
sick sentinel
i probably have footage of what i did and could compare, if i didn't turn on a log, which i doubt i did
i dunno, thats really strange to me, i wipe on that boss and i ask repeatedly multiple people in the raid and on discords whats going wrong and feels like speaking into void
if i get a response feels un-intelligible almost, or dismissive
prisma crane
you're just gonna get a lot of people who aren't interested in helping, just people who don't comprehend that not everyone understands the game the same or has played the same amount of content as they have
that said
from what little i know and went back and read, it sounds like it's not functioning as it should for you
the few times i've done that fight i've never had multiple up at once and as a few have said, typically we have had the pace to forego needing all 3 altogether
sick sentinel
well and its not like i got in there and the first pull im telling them what to do
ims just going in attacking the stuff they are hitting also right, and then you wipe once okay... twice.. huh... 3 times... what?
prisma crane
fwiw that's all most groups even need to do inthe first place on that fight
just start on left or right side and attack shit until bubbles pop
certainly on low difficulties anyways
minor helm
Same on mythic pretty much
sick sentinel
they were saying "the second robot went away when we approached it" something like this no idea tbh
prisma crane
this is why i believe it's just not functioning properly, though i haven't done any raids since shortly after double affix was added
also, and idk if this was asked above, ppl werent just spread all over killing on multiple bots right?
sick sentinel
is the goal on that instead
prisma crane
afaik you can't move those bubble robots until after they've already made their bubble
i'm not sure what 'shield' is referring to in that image if not the shield from the Defense Matrix robots
i'm reading the fight breakdown on wowhead just to look into the specific mechanics because tbh i never paid much attention because of how relatively yolo that fight typically is
minor helm
Correct guardians don’t move until you can hit them
sturdy sable
Yeah its bugged
prisma crane
it appears that you could activate multiple of those defense matrix robots but ALL that are activated will die after the core is exposed (large aoe)
sturdy sable
Whole thread on wow head about it
prisma crane
ahhh, well there you have it
sturdy sable
My guilds did a world tour heroic run to gear a couple of evokers and to stop ay sofo
prisma crane
is there a 'fix' for it from that wowhead thread?
sturdy sable
We attempted it 3 times and it bugged each time
sturdy sable
is there a 'fix' for it from that wowhead thread?
Not that we could find
Even resetting it didnt help
prisma crane
as someone else said, we ARE only a few days from DF, so im sure it's a low priority fix for blizz, but still frustrating for players since it's a gatekeeper (literally) for the rest of the raid
made worse if it doesnt happen 100% of the time, so only some groups get fucked
sturdy sable
Yeah content should work lol
Even if its a week and a bit out
From being irrelevant
foggy wigeon
if there are any theory crafters / people who tested the set ups . Do we still take Barbaric training even with Rage gen nerfs ? if no do we then just take sidearm / that 5% extra after interupt or its now just a free whatever point ?
sturdy sable
I imagine once df actually hits and we have a working sim we will have a definitive answer
jagged pier
if there are any theory crafters / people who tested the set ups . Do we still t...
Well @strong forum is the theirycrafter and yes you will probably drip barbaric in df and take sidearms,
I am pretty certain its in the pins some where
quartz brook
Hello guys, where I can see a build talents for protection warrior? 🙂
limpid anchor
bold furnace
minor helm
Go to the wa group and move the spell reflect down and avatar up
Should just read it in order of how they’re arranged
coral kayak
Nice worked, thanks
minor helm
🫡
upbeat parrot
Are we going haste/mastery or haste/vers in the current pre-patch ?
grave crane
crit/verse for huge damage
slow shale
Crit also gives you parry chance, ride the Haste/Crit wave
warm plinth
into the fray is better than heavy repercussions
ocean bloom
into the fray is better than heavy repercussions
if you have more SB uptime you do more dmg and take less dmg 🙂
sick sentinel
Whole thread on wow head about it
trying to find the wow head article about it now, but i dont see anything like that. not a big deal, i'd just like to try to dive deeper on why that happens for my self, i see wow posts about it
sturdy sable
@sick sentinel
sick sentinel
imagine your some guy and you've paid a million gold to get the slime cat mount and then you can't get it because you cant clear first boss of raid 3 (not me i'd never do this)
cuz its bugged out and its current tier content
sage granite
buff prot
woven trellis
They never learn what's fun eg
mellow quartz
imo the whole reduced damage above X is fine, it was the hard capping that was messed up
prisma crane
imo all capping is bad
if people can find ways to pull half an instance let em
it's objectively fun
shy flint
is unstoppable force better than immovable object & into the fray > heavy repercussions?
prisma crane
and hard AF to do properly if you're doing high enough keys anyways
modern brook
is unstoppable force better than immovable object & into the fray > heavy reperc...
Uf>im is probably locked in, unless you really need the extra defensive
Hr vs ITF is more in the air
Depends on the fight more than anything
shy flint
gotcha
modern brook
Hr a good default cause it garuntees your 100% block uptime
hardy ridge
nothing for pwar
Thunderclap and revenge are already aoe capped tho
Even spear, thunderous and shield charge dont seem aoe capped tho from their tooltips
uneven mason
a lot of uncapped aoe being capped
Survival hunter damage being buffed....*looks at uncapped AoE leader getting buffs with no mention of caps being placed...
Yeah, so Season4 again
mellow quartz
Surv hunters do no dam without SL 4 pc though
@strong forum keys feels much better to play without barbaric training tbh
strong forum
Yes
mellow quartz
hard to compare cause you can just take 25% off your revenge damage
but in reality you will probably get more SS procs etc and more smooth gameplay
so will outweight somewhat in low target count situations
main benefit is you have more rage for IP in low target count situations for defensive reasons
sand pebble
where do you put the barb training point though
sand pebble
this is pretty much the points im going to use anyway - reccomend the last point
mighty valley
actually if sidearm stays ass and the dungeon pool is anything like as cast heavy as SL, I might start taking the kick CD reduction
oh take storm bolt
sand pebble
i feel overwheling rage is less impactful due to less rage inc, stormbolt is meh due to shockwave/shield charge
mighty valley
you'll rarely have the luxury of using shield charge for the stun component, that's just gravy
sand pebble
i rarely need stormbolt now
atomic wagon
Does Prot war and preservation evoker have good synergy with time dilation etc?
mighty valley
having a 4s stun on demand for merely one talent point is big game in M+
oak echo
blazing condor
i never liked running storm bolt but that was cus we had enough CC anyway
but that was with old talents
more cc is always better if its free ig
stark hinge
Yeah that’s true, I’m definitely running shockwave myself once dragon flight comes out
sand pebble
on live or beta?
i havent had an issue on live except where i spent on ip and couldnt revenge, never had a point in either st or aoe where is was starved if i spent correctly
but i still charge weave
im in the habit of it now 😦
warmachine is amazing for that quick burst of speed to run out and charge back also
mellow quartz
where do you put the barb training point though
I put mine in the heroic leap cdr
intervene or improved rally I can see as well
sand pebble
i took both of them as qol
mellow quartz
playing this atm
sand pebble
improved rally maybe but 5% doesnt feel like much
fear! that would be more valuable to me than stormbolt i think
torn gulch
a lot of the times fear is more valuable than stormbolt
sand pebble
tough as nails is amazing
torn gulch
you can pin an entire pack down compared to one; useful when having multiple casters in a pack
sand pebble
mandatory imo, swap to spell block when its needed
torn gulch
do you need bolster nowadays?
sand pebble
not if you run all the sb extending talents
85% blocked is good, add missed/parry/dodge and thats close to 100% mitigation
mellow quartz
can't really plays nails if you play ITF
jagged pier
do you need bolster nowadays?
U need 2 Sb extention talents and thats it depending on haste.
U pick less u drop sb uptime
U pick more overkill
torn gulch
which is the 2 second one and heavy repercusions
jagged pier
ED bolster Hr and Sc with cap stone
U can have 90% woth ed and capstone but thats due to haste from affix and atuff
Right now
So 3 main ones are bolster ed and hr
mellow quartz
it's pretty much the same nome has in the pins
and yes
bolster instead of HR gives you overall worse SB uptime but still 100% coverage is fine, just feels worse
jagged pier
Nome is tilting slightly towards ITF bolster and sc capstone for m+ thanks to all the nerfs to BS in DF for m+
And yer the down side is manage sb more
Still not hard to do but harder
mellow quartz
you end up sending LS at random times for SB uptime purely
but thats the name of the game
mellow quartz
I wonder how they both feel at much lower haste at the start of expac
jagged pier
Its a pretty garbage cd anyway on its own
mellow quartz
right now I have like 30% base haste on beta, wonder how it plays out with say 15
jagged pier
True low low haste is probs still hr because its omega free sb uptime
But haste makes bs better
🤷
mellow quartz
I am thinking HR at the start as well
jagged pier
Time will tell on that 1
sand pebble
imagine pwar going into an xpac with 2 legit build types - pretty much passive sb uptime and a sb management higher skillcap/higher reward
jagged pier
For m+ sure
But u need spme haste to get it off the ground for raid honestly not 100% as SS is so much of your damage it might be worth just having sb up and forgetting about it for the extra dam
sand pebble
i upset the raid off tank so i doubt ill be raid tanking straight up
jagged pier
I mean thats like 1 outbursted SS
hollow anvil
prot is so hot
mighty valley
i upset the raid off tank so i doubt ill be raid tanking straight up
omg juicy drama
sand pebble
maybe, he said bdk needs more damage right after pwar got nerfed and bdk got buffed, i disagreed
because he is considered word of god in relation to anything tank wise (just copies whatever top tanks say) and pushes into high keys (29ish - didnt break 3k rating this season) its enough for the gm to say you 2 cant get along, maybe we wont let you tank
radiant magnet
sounds like drama. new guild time.
sturdy sable
because he is considered word of god in relation to anything tank wise (just...
find a new guild
rotund eagle
any one know what your up time on shield block "should" be in a m+ ?
Im at about 80-90% up time is that good ok or bad 😄
sturdy sable
you check your blocked hit % not uptime
hover over melees in logs
melees taken not given
sand pebble
Im at about 80-90% up time is that good ok or bad 😄
yes its good because it adds to shield slam damage, details doesnt track time outside of combat just a total key time - if you want an indepth idea you need to log the key
rotund eagle
ah yea I was looking for blocked mele but cant seem to find it in my details guess Iv got to log the m+ :S
sturdy sable
yeah you gotta log things to be able to see blocked hit %
rotund eagle
I just stared tanking and its alot of fun on the warrior 🙂
just wana know if Im doing it right or not heheh
sturdy sable
warrior is the funnest one imo lol
rotund eagle
Im not dieing but yea I think I should be doing more dmg
rotund eagle
lols I havnt been been there in some time haha
sand pebble
alt f4 then stuck on loading screen
i have an ah there
maybe it scales weird because its a df trinket
urban portal
The horn splits amongst yourself and the enemy
Remember that
So if it’s like 20k on tooltip
It may be like 10k on you and enemy
So if let’s say, dreadfire is 12k tooltip
It’s more damage
I mean you are melee
So you gotta be kinda nuts
Be on the edge there
sand pebble
does it hit allies also?
urban portal
Anyways I don’t think it’s tooltip x7
sand pebble
damn
urban portal
Just tooltip
Dang that’s definitely not intended
Sounds nuts
7 ticks sound right tho
sand pebble
its suppoosed to do that damage spread to targets hit, maybe is isnt and its doind full damage to all hit
maybe an alt can get it
im not farming ulda on my warr, i have all the transmog now
wait servers are down?
explains my warrior issue
urban portal
Well if it’s overtuned
Nothing is stopping them from abusing it
Just need a trade
Gavel bear would like to disagree with you
sand pebble
does trinket target mobs or does it target the ground and hits what it hits
sage granite
How often are we switching to defensive stance for taking big (but not 1 shot) hits?
sand pebble
never had to yet (upto 21+ keys) but i havent done a key with new tuning - 300 ilvl
i could see it useful on medivah piercing for example - anything magic its useful
uneven mason
How often are we switching to defensive stance for taking big (but not 1 shot) h...
Only you know your limits and your healers limits
sage granite
I'm more asking how often people are doing it, not if I myself should be doing it
amber ravine
Which build are most of you guys using for pre patch? theres a few diff one in pins
sand pebble
I'm more asking how often people are doing it, not if I myself should be doing i...
perma bstance until i hit a point i notice im getting chunked or my healer is screaming, then ill look at using it on a per pull basis
odd tree
I have a feeling ill use it week 1 of m+ to push keys for +20 vault reward
sand pebble
see im going to try and do a 20 not using it
odd tree
On some dungeons, tho I haven't played beta, so no clue
sand pebble
i want it to be a call made and not a permant thing to swap out of for more damage - i want more damage and a swap into for needed dr
odd tree
Well yea, I won't start a dungeon with it on
sage granite
Yeah and when you look at it like that it will feel kinda powerful
sand pebble
i mean ill also not time a key or kill a key before i start with it on, just to get that early feeling
sage granite
Could maybe use it to take the first hits on ramping damage eg far left boss in HoV when you don't switch
and save wall
sand pebble
i want my healer to work hard and use def when they cant do it
sage granite
agree
sand pebble
pop wall and get wall cdr
tulip warren
hey everyone not much experience with tanking but I decided to give it a try and started with prot warrior , wish me luck 😅
warm plinth
hey everyone not much experience with tanking but I decided to give it a try and...
Good luck friend
orchid fog
tulip warren
thank you thank you , I don’t know what is harder , the actual tanking or the pug aspect of it 😅
halcyon gate
Pugs for sure haha
fast knot
At least you can just leave a pug key without feeling too bad if they are goombas
halcyon gate
True, tanks have all the power. I am glad that prot is back in a pretty good spot. Always the most fun tank, but not always the most meta
fast knot
Don't kick casts and waste time by dying to those casts? Not my problem cya
mighty valley
playing meta is for cowards
unless the meta is prot warrior at the time, then it's fine and cool
slim dove
tulip warren
awesome 👏
coral badger
Im new to warrior tank, when should i use Shield block vs Ignore Pain?
should i use ignore pain during magic damage / aoes? or am i able to block magic damage with shield block
lone copper
keep them both up
toxic gyro
Everytime you’re getting melee hit, shield block has way higher priority. You only not use shield block on mobs/bosses that don’t melee, which is very rare.
drifting fable
you want to hit IP as a rage spender for Anger Management, even if youre capped on it.
sturdy sable
Everytime you’re getting melee hit, shield block has way higher priority. You on...
You still use shield block for damage
drifting fable
it should be one of your top 3 casts
sturdy sable
Im new to warrior tank, when should i use Shield block vs Ignore Pain?
You use ignore paine to dump rage that would otherwise cap you wasting it
And to set up for a tank buster ig
coral badger
Ty for all the info
tulip warren
indeed ty guys
mellow quartz
omfg shadow priests can MC the caster in the first pack in smbg and use his ability on bosses in the dungeon
reduces their HP by 50%!!!!
unreal
radiant magnet
nerf inc
coral badger
Does this proc if i dont have the point in rend?
icy citrus
You need to have point in Rend talent to make it work.
coral badger
alright
mellow quartz
lol
shadowpriest lost his mc mob so had to do bosses normally
and then 2 dps died on 3rd boss so it took 8min 32s to complete 🙂
@lament musk decided to die and rest the entire boss fight for no good reason
smh
lament musk
hi
nimble laurel
is there any way to prevent battle stance or defensive stance from turning itself off if pressed again?
lament musk
this is true
lone eagle
hey everyone not much experience with tanking but I decided to give it a try and...
realistically Yogi123 is going to be your best resource
He's the best among us
I recommend @cobalt seal to translate Yogi for you though
He can be mysterious and meandering without an interpreter
oblique garnet
He's the best among us
Please dont
sand pebble
is there any way to prevent battle stance or defensive stance from turning itsel...
What exactly are you trying to do, i have a macro that checks for bstance, casts bstance if not and then casts shield slam - it wint recast bstance if in it
Or use the macro in pins for a single use button
sand pebble
Is it reflectable because it looks kinda fun if it is
tulip warren
realistically Yogi123 is going to be your best resource
ty ty
fast knot
How many stacks was that
ebon wren
is there any way to prevent battle stance or defensive stance from turning itsel...
use a macro to switch. for ex. /cast [stance:0/1] Battle Stance will switch to battle stance if not already, and wont toggle it off.
nimble laurel
use a macro to switch. for ex. /cast [stance:0/1] Battle Stance will switc...
thank you!
ebon wren
defensive would be [stance:0/2] Defensive Stance
mellow quartz
hmm at 35% haste if you go ITF, bolster and bulwark you start having SB gabs at 3:50 (less so) and 5:50 (more so)
noticed it on some really long tyrannical boss fights
lament musk
Just didnt get enough heals i think
mellow quartz
definitely the case
shrewd mason
Considering our abundance of stuns. i was considering going BE or Zandalari. how realistic is running around a corner and channeling the self heal? or do we know if there are many things worth dispeling in m+ season 1 yet?
sick sentinel
Considering our abundance of stuns. i was considering going BE or Zandalari. how...
I mean Tauren seems the way to go for horde
crit always benefit prot
mellow quartz
Considering our abundance of stuns. i was considering going BE or Zandalari. how...
running around a corner and channel a self heal as a tank? 0% chance
oblique garnet
Theres always uses for dwarf in m+
fast knot
Potential Bitter Immunity angle as well, was a nice panic button to have when my healer was too busy healing the monkey dps to notice my debuffs
Although if you need both and still end up in that scenario you're probably hosed anyway
shrewd mason
i havent played the game since 9.1 i assume most mythic guilds still perfer you to actaully be in the guild so i cant really be dwarf 😦
oblique garnet
i havent played the game since 9.1 i assume most mythic guilds still perfer you ...
Not really
fast knot
Being a certain race to assist with completing keys is somewhat of a very bleeding edge % of players
muted juniper
Returning to prot for df and practising in prepatch, is there a good full suite weakaura? The ones I found via Google haven't been updated for a while, but I guess they might be soon and I'm just being impatient.
hazy sluice
Luxthos maybe ?
muted juniper
Thanks!
ruby berry
Oh i do have a bit of a specific question @sand pebble on his packs. Is there an easy way I can make every button have the gcd swipe? I can't use use wa packs without em. Thanks
sand pebble
they do by default
watch one of his vids to install, it explains it all and he has a discord + stream and answeres any question/suggestion you might have/want
ruby berry
I installed his rogue pack a few patches ago and there wasn't a gcd swipe on anything but the button I had most recently activated. I'll check again though thanks.
I really miss the flashy mnejing packs. So shiny.
sand pebble
he started from scratch for df - delete all old ones and install a single pack per class
ruby berry
I'll check em out, been swapping between naowh and afenar for a while. Thanks!
plain flower
mortal brook
🙃
south osprey
Hi - Does anyone have a simple/basic weak aura for externals? I.e it just shows available and the timers of certain ones when available?
I know ERT shows it, but I'm not a fan of it
ebon wren
man ID. df scaling makes that one particularly rough, those early packs without dread buffs
my war had to be healed a couple times
neat hound
Anyone else's Revenge damage go down after they use the ability for like, 1.5~ seconds?
getting like 2.8k~ normal hits and sometimes its dipping down to 300 dmg
strong forum
That's your seismic reverb proc
Revenge causes 2 hits if you strike 3 or more targets
The 2nd hit is at 30% dmg of a normal revenge
neat hound
sounds good, but if youre in game
when you cast revenge
the damage number dips
mine goes from 1.8k~ to around500 dmg for a second when i cast it, then goes back up
strong forum
So like the actual dmg number of 1 cast changes while the number is being displayed?
neat hound
sent a DM, to kinda showcase whats going on
blazing condor
has DBM just stopped working in dungeons or is my addon just borked
solar blade
your dbm gotta include all the dungeons you play
had the same problem at the start of s4 since old dungeons came back in
warm plinth
wat
noble lynx
i even had recount up until like 9.2
gusty perch
A person in the bear discord just said pwarrior execute damage is bad and you should never press execute, even in single target. How true is that?
Seems counter to my personal experience and what I've seen from streams, but I could always be wrong, (I often am).
jagged pier
execute damage has been nerfed a lot to the point where it is only worth to use on ST situations
if there are 2 targets revenge is better
the issue is tho
in df
our tier is based on revenge
to keep the damage and damage reduction buff up
as rage is a bit less now thanks to nerfs
u arent going to have as much rage as u would like on ST in raid and your going to have to choose between keeping the tier set up or execute
keeping the tier set up is better
tulip warren
as a newbie myself i also thank both of you for the question and answer
radiant magnet
for me it's less about the rage gen & more about the tier duration. to maintain that buff + rage gen you end up weaving execute every 4th swing or so for like 2% increase in dmg. just not worth it.
jagged pier
yes we have sent feedback to get execute added to the tier set
radiant magnet
which would be wonderful
cobalt seal
A person in the bear discord just said pwarrior execute damage is bad and you sh...
Happy?
Should have asked if pwar dmg was the lowest also
gusty perch
Who does less damage than warrior right now? Dk?
jagged pier
no one is lower from what i believe
gusty perch
Seems like all tank damage is at least fine rn
placid vale
Is warrior the lowest damage tank atm? Or I missed something?
gusty perch
But seems like pwar is lowest atm
jagged pier
paladin might be not actually sure dont follow paladin enough
but BDK druid VDH and Monk all do much more
gusty perch
@cobalt seal happy?
placid vale
So if we wanna do big damage, but need to play near perfect for it, bdk.
If we wanna be immortal, warr?
And if we wanna get bored, bear.
maiden stag
Since we can only take one active captstone at 60 atm, would we take avatar over thunderous roar/shockwave?
gusty perch
Warrior just feels SO fun right now. They're in such a good spot I think. Definitely have a spot in m+ even if they don't have the highest DPS.
cobalt seal
<@290115907278077952> happy?
That much more is a bit ??? @jagged pier you should see people that stay in dstance
radiant magnet
Since we can only take one active captstone at 60 atm, would we take avatar over...
it's pre-patch so not really important. I would use this period to play every capstone so you have a feel and understand them. ultimately though, Avatar works better with Anger Management and you'll get more out of that
maiden stag
right on @radiant magnet thank you kindly
maiden stag
oh sorry, thanks i'll look at them now
I just went straight to wowhead and didn't look at pins here
strong forum
Cuz you generally wanna pick up unstoppable force and 1h specialisation
Which leaves only 1 point extra
maiden stag
oh wait yes i looked at pins and it took me to the 70 build lol sorry again
strong forum
Ya it's alot of pins
gusty perch
What are your thoughts on ravager?
strong forum
I've tried to keep it all easy to read but some info has to be written down
Ravager is must pick once we can level up
It's too much dmg to miss out on
cobalt seal
i mean they do like 10% when we are in bstance
We also comparing stuff when the other tanks are full blasting
strong forum
With the level 70 builds pinned all you need to change is from sof to bsv and you got your full turtle build
cobalt seal
Pwar has more margin to keep the dmg
maiden stag
Yeah I like ravager for sure! Is spamming thunderclap really that strong?
cobalt seal
While other tanks might give up some dmg earlier
strong forum
Yes, ever since UF increases TC now by 50% again its really powerful
It also doesn't compete with better options
maiden stag
ok cool thanks a ton i'll give it a try
mellow quartz
Having the option to go full turtle gives so much flexibility
novel rapids
which, in your opinion is the most forgiven tank when it comes to mistakes, prot warrior or bear? thank you
kinda stuck between those 2 :\
jagged pier
bear
finite narwhal
with toxicity these days in groups, I think there will be even less tanks. Just did lfr raid on my alt healer and tanks were getting flamed for not positioning bosses right (even tho they were learning). When I stood up for them that they are maybe learning and trying tanks, I got flamed that its basic thing to know what to do as a tank and I got kicked 😄
radiant magnet
inevitable outcome of adding LFR to the game 😦
strong forum
with toxicity these days in groups, I think there will be even less tanks. Just ...
"shit tank"
"I don't care 
"
You'll be the one waiting for tanks, not me
finite narwhal
I know, I just know how is it to be tanking and I hate when somebody blame new tanks for not knowing
placid vale
Guys, hows the tanks dps ranked atm?
strong forum
why we dont use barbaric training in df
Not enough rage gen anymore
strong forum
But arms will get bloodsurge buffed from 7 to 10% soon tm
So I assume the same will happen to prot
cobalt seal
I know, I just know how is it to be tanking and I hate when somebody blame new t...
All wow tanks players should play league for 1 month
strong forum
As we use the same spell ID
cobalt seal
Thats prob more than enough training
zealous willow
i hope so , big dps nerf 😦
finite narwhal
yeah, I mean that tanks get flamed from person, who bragged about his tank parses in heroic raid in 9.2, even tho he didnt touch mythic raids at all, so I assume it was some ego booster
cobalt seal
Doesnt matter what people say
Ignore them for the most part
Maybe if multiple people say you doing shit dps
You might consider asking someone if its true
cobalt seal
ppl complain about my tank
'k u tank then'
But if they say you do no dmg
They are telling the truth
mellow quartz
Thats prob more than enough training
Did a 20 Tyr smbg yesterday and bloodsurge was abt 1550 rage so a 45% buff would be like an extra 700 rage for example.
finite narwhal
I am trying to ignore them. When people shit talk to me, I am chill, but I hate when people shit talk others
cobalt seal
Did a 20 Tyr smbg yesterday and bloodsurge was abt 1550 rage so a 45% buff would...
Wrong ping
finite narwhal
ppl complain about my tank
'k u tank then'
thats case with evokers now, I am grabbing aggro and suddendly, Evoker is tanking
limpid anchor
When I get flamed I just leave, tanks got no queue anyway
Not worth the hassle to talk to those fucks
cobalt seal
When I get flamed I just leave, tanks got no queue anyway
Thats kinda toxic
You just ignore them
mellow quartz
Wrong ping
Nah just added to your point it would be enough for training.
cobalt seal
Nah just added to your point it would be enough for training.
I was talking about training to ignore idiots
mellow quartz
Oh shit haha
limpid anchor
Nah mate, I got flamed in a +8 on my alt bcs appearntly I don’t know how the dungeon works. People just stood in shit
Really cba to play with them
cobalt seal
And?
crystal current
yea , just leave and send them back to their 30min q
wintry cave
DPS blame tanks, tanks blame Healer, healers blame DPS, circle of life…
mellow quartz
Nah mate, I got flamed in a +8 on my alt bcs appearntly I don’t know how the du...
At this point in the expansion people just assume perfect knowledge
limpid anchor
At this point in the expansion people just assume perfect knowledge
I mean, I did everything right :D
So I don’t see why should I accept any blame
mellow quartz
🤷♂️
strong forum
Show them your superior knowledge in making fun of them for flaming in a +8
Cuz only idiots do that
cobalt seal
I would onlt leave if the key is overtime by 50%
sage granite
Do we generate rage much faster at level 70 compared to pre patch? If so does it feel better to play with I assume more IP casts?
strong forum
No
You generate less rage at 70
Because you lose Banner
Average casts breakdown will look similar to SL, just less overall
In pre-patch im at 90-95 cpm
In DF im at 70-75cpm
Which is obv due to haste levels and banner
sage granite
How much is banner contributing. Without banner what is your cpm, say doing the Uldaman pre patch dungeon
?*
strong forum
Banner is ~25% of your rage gen if you play well
sage granite
Gotcha thats useful thanks Nome
strong forum
But you gain BV, ravager, shield charge + bulwark and TR with leveling
So it offsets a bit of rage loss, but you still lose a good chunk
strong forum
Neat
mellow quartz
Checked a log from last night
Gonna go back to barbaric training and see how it feels now.
Was running without it for those keys.
Nice little 42% buff to the talent with no comment lol
But then again the nerf was only commented on a week later
radiant magnet
blizz doing blizz things
sage granite
We should never have to worry about dropping rend right? There should always be a few TCs within 15 second window?
mellow quartz
Correct
sage granite
👍
tender cove
If thats what it takes for you to leave
Leave? Hell no... I start trolling the runs... Making THEM leave xD
Fight toxic with toxic. Always the solution.
mellow quartz
with bloodsurge at 10% now instigate is still better on pure ST but by a smaller margin
gusty perch
Wait Barbaric training got buffed?
mellow quartz
bloodsurge got buffed
mellow quartz
so you have more rage to use for revenge with barbaric training
gusty perch
Right right.
uncut notch
We should never have to worry about dropping rend right? There should always be ...
I dont even have it on my bars
sweet summit
bloodsurge got buffed
wasn't that arms only
mellow quartz
wasn't that arms only
jagged pier
we have the same BS as arms
mellow quartz
and I confirmed with logs from last night
mellow quartz
I really dont think they realize this
sweet summit
no one tell them
mellow quartz
they changed it for arms initially and made no mention of prot in their notes
then a week later they were like 'oh and prot bloodsurge was nerfed'
now they change it specifically for arms with no mention of prot again
outer thorn
or "Thunderous roar now only puts a bleed on your current target"
mellow quartz
that breakdown looks very wrong
mellow quartz
TC should be way higher
jovial wedge
again, not representative of anything
jagged pier
still looks wrong
jovial wedge
except how much dmg GF does
jovial wedge
in normal conditions yep
outer thorn
assuming survivability or rage generation isnt an issue, should i skip SS procs to just revenge+clap during AoE with Avatar up If my goal is to maximize damage?
outer solstice
more rage gen, lower CDs with AM ^^ so I wouldn't skip a SS
strong forum
Maybe in ultra pulls can you skip SS casts
But generally, nah
Pre-bloodsurge nerf it was more likely to skip SS casts for more revenge
But ever since the nerf it's less of a thing
/reload is enough btw
lucid pasture
i love forgetting to press revenge and then i see full rage
outer thorn
#showtooltip Revenge
/startattack
/cast Revenge
/reload ui
outer thorn
I hope we get a way to spend rage off the gcd offensively (even though spending it on IP kinda already is by shaving seconds from avatar)
sweet summit
that is not happening
outer thorn
I was trying to think of a way that wouldnt destroy pvp or make gameplay degenerate but couldnt think of anything
radiant magnet
I hope we get a way to spend rage off the gcd offensively (even though spending ...
Think of it this way - IP is rage spent, rage spent is CDR and Outburst. So IP is an offensive CD feeder.
outer thorn
oh ye forgot about outburst too
jovial wedge
So what boss was it?
yeah, like 4 wipes against tree until group had enough
outer thorn
btw i love the interaction between thunderclap with thunderlord and demo shout with booming voice, probably one of my favorite features of pwar going into dragonlands
strong forum
I would like it more if they didn't nerf TL into the floor
In legion it was 1.5sec per target, uncapped
Now it's 1 sec per target up to 3
outer thorn
thankfully i didnt have that experience to compare it to, i just love that theres synergy between my abiliteis
and uh.. isnt our tier going to buff brutal vitality? so maybe some tiers will interact with specific talents later
lucid pasture
In legion it was 1.5sec per target, uncapped
oh boy if this was the case, that would honestly be magical
outer thorn
Ive been taking blizz side on some choices like this though because it allows them the design space of having the button be more impactful when you eventually get to press it, but some things just feels better when you have it ready all the time too so its on a case by case basis
dusk hinge
how is our aoe dps compared to other tanks ?
sturdy sable
I hope we get a way to spend rage off the gcd offensively (even though spending ...
Heroic strike says hello
outer thorn
and OG cleave
opaque vine
I don’t think prot needs any more rage spenders tbh
lucid pasture
honestly would be fun but, prolly not no
zealous willow
People that played in beta how often u go deff stance ? and on what keys
deep spruce
Forget that, u asked about beta, my bad
strong forum
how is our aoe dps compared to other tanks ?
Fairly equal to others, nobody is standing out besides brm
cobalt seal
No no pwar dmg weak pls buff
placid vale
Brm got nerfed today. Resonant fists softcapped to 5 targets.
chrome falcon
radiant magnet
People that played in beta how often u go deff stance ? and on what keys
Basically never. I suspect on bigger keys it may become more useful, but those didnt really happen in Beta much. My intent is to use it as an extra defensive CD in most cases - tank buster incoming, dstance, take hit at a discount, bstance, back to normal rotation.
Havent seen a dungeon yet where tank buster comes steadily enough to stay in d stance
mellow quartz
People that played in beta how often u go deff stance ? and on what keys
First pull in HOV, first pull going left on AA and if you double pull inside the boss room as well. Bears and maybe wolves in the fenryr area.
First pull in HOV on an 18 fort the dragons breath did 350k damage plus the other 7 mobs.
strong forum
They nerfed its breath by like 30% recently so it shouldn't pose as much of a threat
mellow quartz
This was an hour ago lol
strong forum
When I did first pull 15 fort I didn't even lose hp cuz I full concentrated my attention on dragon
Use SW for 1st breath, then LS
Kick bolts
Should do the trick
Sr every breath
mellow quartz
We redid it on a 17 and was fine
strong forum
Ya it's all about setting it up and being ready for it
mellow quartz
Just saying it was a pull I used def stance on
lusty tiger
Was playing some pre patch yesterday and noticed a lot more ss procs is that… expected?
mellow quartz
Tried 21 AA last night as well. Did that full turtle but we didn’t get far lol
radiant magnet
that breath is also fairly short range and he doesnt move after starting. good spot to Heroic Leap out and charge back in. just dont turn him to face the group
strong forum
Was playing some pre patch yesterday and noticed a lot more ss procs is that… ex...
?
Nothing changed about SS
Or its proc chance
lusty tiger
Idk why it feels like I’m getting them one after another or every other gcd much more so than before
strong forum
The only thing is you play UF now, so you get more TCs
lusty tiger
I also took a break a few weeks tho
strong forum
Mainly just placebo
lusty tiger
Might be the tc spam
native plover
i'm new to this class, is avatar a must-have? i made a build myself with Spear, but it doesn't seem to be that strong tbh, any thoughts?
strong forum
Avatar is must have, yes
lusty tiger
Use pinned build
strong forum
Spear is pretty weak compared to other choices
native plover
makes sense
lusty tiger
I tried some brm, even though 30 ilvl below my war, I still felt soooo squishy on brm
It is not anything like immortal prot war gaming
native plover
is the 100% SB uptime build all-purpose?
strong forum
It's pre-faced with St
Implying raid
If you scroll down you can find lvl 60 builds
But all my builds have 100% SB uptime
native plover
oh cool thx
patent osprey
Ive been playing a 80-85% SB uptime builds on Beta
and they seem completely fine now
100% is a bit overkill
native plover
isn't Bloodborne a strong talent? it sounds like a lot of extra dmg
native plover
what is bsv supposed to be? i just started playing the class i'm clueless
patent osprey
its a Cheat death at the bottom
outer solstice
we don't loose HP so fast, so it's a pseudo cheat
cobalt seal
"cheat death"
patent osprey
Its basically a cheat death
native plover
oh alright
cobalt seal
Its basically a cheat death
not if you get 60-0 it isn't
outer solstice
not if you get 60-0 it isn't
we rarely get chunked for that much without having options
patent osprey
not if you get 60-0 it isn't
yeah but there is almost nothign that does that haha
unless u stand in bad
Then you deserve death 😛
frank hemlock
only sadge thing about bsv is when you drop below 30% but you're fine and it just procs for no reason
outer solstice
but no other boss in shadowlands comes to my mind that could do that
frank hemlock
no control over it feels so bad
outer solstice
you have IV, and others to kinda control it
you don't want to be below 30% anyway, unless it's a big one hit
patent osprey
only sadge thing about bsv is when you drop below 30% but you're fine and it jus...
yeah but i mean its a 3 min CD. like it makes hard moments just easier. You don't normally drop under 30% for no reason lol
wide pilot
Is shared suffering in lower reflex table? Excel sheet is saying no but I’m having ppl tell me it is. When I try it it seems to work but not sure if it’s spell reflect
frank hemlock
i mean, imagine on a raid scenario, you take tank buster, drop to like 25% and then you're fine because that was all the damage you were going to take, the other tank taunted now, you're in the clear
strong forum
isn't Bloodborne a strong talent? it sounds like a lot of extra dmg
It's 1.5-2% dmg per point
frank hemlock
but it procced lmao
strong forum
Nails is 3-4% for 1 point
mortal brook
nail is bs tho
outer solstice
i mean, imagine on a raid scenario, you take tank buster, drop to like 25% and t...
yeah but such tank busters would kill other tanks in 1 hit, that's why we usually don't get hit for that muc
strong forum
Especially in single target nails is alot better than bloodborne
frank hemlock
yeah but such tank busters would kill other tanks in 1 hit, that's why we usuall...
its still a dead talent there, you lived because of other things
cobalt seal
brambles is 8% <:sadga:869134702970273812>
wanna talk about the 2 vdh ones?
mortal brook
or holy shield? kekw
cobalt seal
doing 50% or less of brambles dmg?
outer solstice
its still a dead talent there, you lived because of other things
it's for when things are going wrong,... if things go rightj it should never procc, yeah
frank hemlock
i can see the argument of "we cant have a cheat death because of how strong we are defensively" and i agree
frank hemlock
its just sad bsv is so situational and it has some real bad moments
cobalt seal
which is one of our biggest weaknesses
outer solstice
yeah but as our capstones aren't that giga you don't give up that much
frank hemlock
we're one of the best tanks at dealing with bleed and dot now lmao
outer solstice
most wouldn't even pick a capstone talent,... as a replacement for BSV
frank hemlock
yeah but as our capstones aren't that giga you don't give up that much
i mean, i dont see myself giving up any of my talent points at the bottom there for bsv unless its some super niche scenarios where you know you'll proc it when you need it
its much better in m+ than in raid but our talents at the bottom are so good lmao
outer solstice
oh I can see myselv runnign BSV if I want to do keys and relax a tad more
it's the same as with cheat death trinkets, it's not the perfect way to play, but it's way more relaxing
frank hemlock
i guess its a preference thing then, i find more "relaxing" having another actual trinket that will help me not get to need the cheat death instead of a stat stick with no secondaries
outer solstice
it's more about that you don't die when shit hits the fan or you aren't 100% up to speed because sleep deprivation xD
frank hemlock
yea thats what i mean lmao
if shit really hit the fan you're dying either way with cheat death or not imo
outer solstice
hmm nah, it can make you wake up, haha
cobalt seal
it's more about that you don't die when shit hits the fan or you aren't 100% up ...
you sure about that?
frank hemlock
but specially how defensivelly strong we are right now, another trinket like rdm is so strong, even when shit hit the fan
patent osprey
BSV is definitely worth it in high keys
if your not doing that content, then yeah dont use it
outer solstice
yeah I tanked enough to see the defensive benefit and the peace of mind in BSV and cheat death trinkets
patent osprey
A Tank dying once, can mean RIP key
so if we have any talents/mechanics to prevent that, then use it
cobalt seal
depends on what it cost you
it's not a see cheat pick cheat
(in general not pwar stuff)
frank hemlock
its certainly much better in keys than in raid, because you have more room to proc it when it matters
in raid its pretty bad tbh
outer solstice
for many players it is
frank hemlock
since most damage is scripted
outer solstice
yeah, and that's the point,... we know that if you don't need a cheat and use it, you give up some performance,...
but people that think 15s are hard dying because we recommend our optimizations to them,... is questionable
cobalt seal
the dif is
in a 15 you can prob wipe 2 times
and be more than fine
and last I checked
tank dps matters
unlike popular opinion that it doesn't
lusty tiger
Cro why does my monk get ripped a new ahole in only +10?
cobalt seal
Cro why does my monk get ripped a new ahole in only +10?
you want me or ion to answer you?
outer solstice
for people that think 15s are hard a wipe often results in a group disband,... and timign it with 2 wipes isn't that easy if you struggle at it already
and yes tank DPS matters
lusty tiger
you want me or ion to answer you?
Both
outer solstice
but tank survival is required
cobalt seal
CBA, not in the mood for cheat convos
strong forum
BSV is solid, and very easy to pick up, you just drop sof and you Gucci
outer solstice
CBA, not in the mood for cheat convos
it's just the same discussion every time ^^
strong forum
But more often than not, not required
Same as d-stance
And that one is entirely free
patent osprey
Nom gonna create a wave of new prot warriors that aren't in D stance, that just die everywhere in the pug world xD
lusty tiger
Then the good ones will look like gods
patent osprey
If your not comfortable with damage patterns, just not a great recommendation for new prots xD
lusty tiger
When do u take the training wheels off though?
If you’re not doing cutting edge content
outer solstice
yeah I'd argue battle stance is a nice offensive option :)to switch in when damage is needed
lusty tiger
I had this same hold up with banner when I started
outer solstice
the more comfortable you are the more you stay in battle stance, as you know when you need def stance
lusty tiger
And I just did it and got good… enough
lusty tiger
Yes exactly
outer solstice
learning the hard way can be a lot of frusstration,.-.. not just for yourself though
jagged pier
If your not comfortable with damage patterns, just not a great recommendation fo...
Thing is plka, at one point in the beta and im still sure its the same, we need like the same ehps in bstance in df than what we need now or S3 cant rebemer totally @strong forum might be able to remeber
strong forum
Nom gonna create a wave of new prot warriors that aren't in D stance, that just ...
It's better to learn what hurts early
cobalt seal
learning the hard way can be a lot of frusstration,.-.. not just for yourself th...
everyone is learning at start
why would you sit in dstance
when everyone is gonna fuck up
lusty tiger
You’re going to pick up bad habits that limit your ability to play the spec
lusty tiger
Scared is a bad strategy imo
strong forum
If you sit in d-stance perma, you barely think of "yeah okay I can go to b-stance for this"
cobalt seal
"maybe i need dstance next time on this pull"
outer solstice
instead of making it a learning exp to you
pug life can be very annoying I can tell you,...
oblique garnet
Dstance is broken defensive ability not something you just sit at for the entire dungeon
outer solstice
I agree,... that's why I don't pug anymore and enjoy tanking a lot more
cobalt seal
if tank deaths lead to disbands "everyone learning" is just bad
then they dont deserve your time
simple as that
oblique garnet
You have so many talents that just give you flat block value or dr that its never really necessary unless its magic nuke
outer solstice
then they dont deserve your time
friend of mine just alt F4 on every disband and doens't play for the rest of the day
I know it's not neccesary,...
cobalt seal
friend of mine just alt F4 on every disband and doens't play for the rest of the...
why does he even play?
like fr
patent osprey
It's better to learn what hurts early
I disagree actually. Esp if new players are coming to this discord to learn knowing nothing. Its better to play defensively and times keys, so they like it. Rather than, just death everywhere and ripping pulls
outer solstice
I disagree actually. Esp if new players are coming to this discord to learn know...
this
and yes, we need to remind ppl that battle stance is a thing,...
cobalt seal
I disagree actually. Esp if new players are coming to this discord to learn know...
dstance isn't gonna magically solve their issue
patent osprey
Use Battle like a CD, not the opposite :/
strong forum
Not a fan of the approach of "fluffy pillow mode"
outer solstice
that it transforms a timed key
D stance is damn strong,... it can do that
patent osprey
dstance isn't gonna magically solve their issue
DStance actually does magically solve issues. Its alot of damage reduction. Imagine any other tank got a 20% FLAT damage reduction. Its insane
Noted I am someone who is in Battle ALOT
outer solstice
same same
patent osprey
but i wouldn't recommend it for a single new prot warrior
lofty widget
20 % Dr is what, 2 key levels? so if youre dying just do lower keys
patent osprey
Not a fan of the approach of "fluffy pillow mode"
its not a fluffy pillow mode, its what the class is balanced around
outer solstice
20 % Dr is what, 2 key levels? so if youre dying just do lower keys
why? if you can time the key anyway,...
patent osprey
I think being a theorycrafter, everyone heeds your advice more than most. So just advising that is pretty dangerous
lofty widget
why? if you can time the key anyway,...
to learn dmg patterns? if nothing kills you cause you sit in d stance how will you learn anything?
outer solstice
to learn dmg patterns? if nothing kills you cause you sit in d stance how will y...
stuff still hurts,... and they will die,... just not as often
lusty tiger
Oh no
patent osprey
We almost never have 100% SB uptime in any previous expac. This expac is also not necessarily designed around having 100% SB uptime either. But your trade that for high haste, which also gives u more survivabilty in Rage regen vs. Magic
Its not the same arguement
strong forum
I think it's the correct play to learn things without the help of permanent flat damage reductions and cheat deaths so you actively think about your defensive choices
It promotes solution finding
patent osprey
its not even 80-85% uptime. That details uptime. So its acutally higher than that for Effective uptime
cobalt seal
but details is effective uptime
outer solstice
also no need to have it up when a sginle caster lives
strong forum
"why did I take so much dmg/why did I die here" ah because of this
outer solstice
same with shockwave
outer solstice
"why did I take so much dmg/why did I die here" ah because of this
yeah but that leads to a lot of frustration,... especially when def stance is an option
strong forum
And then you go "yeah okay for this I'll go def stance"
outer solstice
I'd rather have a tank dealing no damage than dying
outer solstice
well more than likely the tank get's flamed
cobalt seal
its not even 80-85% uptime. That details uptime. So its acutally higher than tha...
if you meant to say logs, all good
but details is active uptime on pulls
it doesn't count the time between pulls
outer solstice
not all combat time is relevant for SB
ocean bloom
the way i think about Dstance atm is if i would call for an external i should just press dstance
patent osprey
but details is active uptime on pulls
Details tracks the time, Im going to the next pack, but the last pack is not dead
cobalt seal
how often do you do that?
patent osprey
how often do you do that?
Almost every pull.....
cobalt seal
now it's pretty often cos banner
slim zinc
yeah but that leads to a lot of frustration,... especially when def stance is an...
Yeah I mean, improving at things tend to be frustrating, it's kind of how life works
outer solstice
the frustration doesn't come from improving,... but fromt he toxcitiy of other players,...
cobalt seal
ignore other players?
outer solstice
staying a live as tank is #1 priority and if you can't do that,... follwowing advice that will improve your damage is not helpful
strong forum
Biggest thing to remember is that hr, nails and punish are very strong on ST and bosses tend to be the more dangerous parts in keys as they're much harder to optimise
slim zinc
Sure but they might just as well flame you for not doing damage
outer solstice
Sure but they might just as well flame you for not doing damage
rarely seen tanks getting flamed for doing not enough damage
strong forum
Itf vs hr, yes the argument can be made, and especially trash mobs don't hurt, so you can drop uptime there every now and again and substitute with other things for now
patent osprey
Aight well this conversation is a opinion anyways. Its not a this is 100% better than that. I don't want to fight about it. Just wanted to mention it.
strong forum
Absolutely valid
outer solstice
❤️
slim zinc
staying a live as tank is #1 priority and if you can't do that,... follwowing ad...
Yeah this is absolutely valid, but if your goal is just living and never improving then you will hit a brick wall, I just personally prefer start hitting at the wall with hammer before I slam into it with my face
outer solstice
Yeah this is absolutely valid, but if your goal is just living and never improvi...
the brick wall comes from other factors way earlier than tank damage though
and everyone that wants to improve will probably do so because they have fun in the game and with the people they play with
strong forum
You'd think that
slim zinc
I'm not even talking about tank damage, if you go max super turtle in 15s when gearing from the start you will not start recognizing what spells even hurt
outer solstice
I'm not even talking about tank damage, if you go max super turtle in 15s when g...
I doubt that
you don't need to die to recognize what hurts
it might not be as obvious
strong forum
Every expac is the precedent
Of not finding out what hurts
I often didn't find out that X ability hurt or existed until 25++
slim zinc
Yup
strong forum
Cuz ykno, it didn't
Especially as pwar
So many mechanics haven't existed for you in SL
Because of the power of Block
slim zinc
Spires was a big thing here, things tickled until suddenly a missed kicked and someone died
strong forum
Where other tanks would scream and cry in pain
uncut notch
anyone had an issue with leap causing lag?
fallen flint
Should you go with The Wall lego , or Seismic ? i know its depending of the situation , but yeah , Seismic is more dmg i guess
slim dove
Spires was a big thing here, things tickled until suddenly a missed kicked and s...
vibin along till someone misses a kick on a golem
strong forum
Should you go with The Wall lego , or Seismic ? i know its depending of the situ...
Wall
Seismic doesn't do more dmg than the talent Version
And he point on the prot tree is more valuable
patent osprey
I dunno, I think the argument of saying you only find what hurts if your in Battle Stance isn't valid cause like you said, You found that out when you were doing +25 of that key. You still find it out, just at higher key levels is the same. UNLESS your trying to find out what hurts so you can play other tanks, whos mitigation differs too much to compare things like that.
strong forum
If you sit in b-stance you learn it at lower less punishing leves
outer solstice
yeah but who needs to know?
strong forum
Thus you're more prepared for higher ones
outer solstice
only those that go to 25 and beyond
fallen flint
Sweet , then we go for the wall lego instead 🙂 makes it better and beeing able to use a pair of 288 legs and swapping my 252 shoulders lol
slim zinc
I think it's better to find out when still gearing personally, I have limited time to play and I'd rather find and adjust defensive usage earlier rather than later
patent osprey
Not really. Being in battle is something you would put under Advanced techniques. So not necessary at all if you don't want to. But defensive is the base line.
strong forum
Depends on your viewpoint
patent osprey
Your like swapping it and saying using defensive stance is advance technique XD
strong forum
For me b-stance is the default
D-stance is the min-maxing part
And eventually in ultra keys
patent osprey
like in high keys, you will probably be in Defensive 90% -95% of the key
outer solstice
default for tanks is to survive, especially for beginners
strong forum
Both is advanced
strong forum
It'll depend on a pull to pull basis
Which stance you are in
If you really want to play optimally
outer solstice
so I agree that D-stance should be the default for lazy people, beginners andbad players
strong forum
If you're lazy, and don't care about optimal play, then you just default to d-stance
outer solstice
for advanced players stance fluidity is important
oblique garnet
Stances work similiar on prot like they worked for arms before id say
outer solstice
If you're lazy, and don't care about optimal play, then you just default to d-st...
that's the thing, battle stance is not required, surviving is
zealous willow
D-stance is like : Let me nerf my self with abt 10% dmg 
strong forum
I'm not gonna sit here and recommend sub-optimal play
zealous willow
i cant press this 😦
strong forum
That's just how it is
outer solstice
I'm not gonna sit here and recommend sub-optimal play
not everyone plays like we do
strong forum
Same thing with HR vs AM
slim zinc
that's the thing, battle stance is not required, surviving is
Not really, if you don't need the damage from battle stance.you have the time for a wipe 🤷
cobalt seal
not everyone plays like we do
like nome does*
mellow quartz
Is BSV still proc’ing off pre mitigation numbers?
outer solstice
yeah but "help desk" vs. maximum efficency is a different discussion
strong forum
But im not gonna tell anybody to default to turtle gameplay
Just to learn
I see the appeal
And understand that, but I'm not gonna recommend it outright
oblique garnet
Once you learn the class the best way to learn where you need what is to do limit testing
outer solstice
I mean,.... in the end we do the same,.... you use D-stance as a defensive option, I think of battle stance as an offensive option,... you know we play pretty similar if you remember season 1 ^^
ocean bloom
I guess the right answer is be in dstance when you need it but when you need it changes very much on your skill and level of difficuty
mellow quartz
There are some pulls you wanna def stance but majority of pulls do somewhat mediocre tank damage.
patent osprey
Alright then. Maybe I just had what skyhold was a little different in my Mind. I thought it was a place I should recommend new warrior players for information. But maybe its more of a recommendation for if you want to discuss prot warrior things
Based on that archi post
outer solstice
well 3 year old post,...
lusty tiger
It is super important for beginners to think as they approach each pack “is this pack gonna blast me or not?”
outer solstice
and beginner recommendations are still an importnat thing I'd say
mellow quartz
New players are not excluded from discussions 🤷♂️
oblique garnet
It is kinda new players too as discord got more common place to find information
ocean bloom
anything good in dinars for DF leveling i havbe 2 left over and dunno what to get 🙂
strong forum
All things warrior can be discussed, absolutely, I've talked with plenty of people to get going and how to start, but like I said, it's all nuanced
oblique garnet
Elitist theorycrafters smh
patent osprey
While I may be a person who will Buy the new Halo game and play it on Legendary Mode the first time. I think most game companies intend on people playing Easy/Normal -> Hard - > Legendary so new players don't hate the game Lol
jagged pier
Alright then. Maybe I just had what skyhold was a little different in my Mind. I...
I mean it is and isnt, its a tricky one i would still say do it. We do help. Or at least try too i try and tailor it towards the person. But usually have to get them to log first
oblique garnet
While I may be a person who will Buy the new Halo game and play it on Legendary ...
It has changed over the years as people have stopped reading guides before coming in to class discord
outer solstice
yeah but as Plka said,... battle stance is not required to play,... it's required to play optimally,... staying alive is required to play,... def stance helps a lot with that that's why I agree that stance fluidity,... regardless of what you use as baseline is an advanced way of playing
jagged pier
Like if i think it would a good idea for the person to be in dstance ill say it. But there alot of times for instance this expansion with cheat death trinkets and they think that will be the end all of their problems which was never really the case. (We will see this with BSV and Dstance in df 100%) but time will tell
outer solstice
I still think BSV + def stance lifts up the bottom of players by quite a lot,...
and especially stances are a thing to increase the ceiling of gameplay
jagged pier
Yes but we had this dicussion the issue is they will never learn to be better