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jovial wedge
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how do you check your rage wasted from a log?

stark jewel
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Right ss being prio makes sense, I was more wondering about TC prio vs revenge prio during avatar

uncut notch
uneven mason
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Press IP more

uncut notch
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Rev clap Rev clap

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SS if you got it

stark jewel
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aight got it, thank you guys ๐Ÿ˜„

uneven mason
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TFW you get mad because revenge procs a free one

stark jewel
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honestly free revenge almost feels bad sometimes x)

odd nimbus
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ive been asked to play dps/off tank sometimes.its my frist time touching warrior dps,which spec is better and simpler?
im stressed out about it cant decide what to do.

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๐Ÿ˜ฆ

cobalt seal
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You sure you playing pwar?

odd nimbus
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ow i know prot semi good my confusion is about the dps spec

sick sentinel
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your a dh for nomer or somethin

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"oh i saw my friend driving this cool car, so i must know how to drive it perfectly too and know all of its ins and outs compared to my cool car!" ... sure uh huh

uneven mason
vast ridge
vast ridge
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Got em

inner hound
sick sentinel
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you play pwar also? yeah? no?

uneven mason
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When the community troll and live in toxicbear get in a slap fightSweatPopcorn

jovial wedge
sick sentinel
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so like being in the passenger seat to a viper a few times, doesn't mean you know how to care for and drive a viper sports car

cobalt seal
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You have a translator?

sick sentinel
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same like if you have a corvette and you invite him to yours to be passanger

uneven mason
sick sentinel
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he's saying "do you even play pwar" and far as i know, he doesn't play pwar himself

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yet attacks everyone else for doing it wrong

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because he's beside a good one lots

uneven mason
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You don't need to play something to understand the ins and outs, however he's certainly a snarky bastard, so let me translate "are you sure you're playing protwarrior" is his way of saying "you're missing something"

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Because pwar shouldn't have a problem

cobalt seal
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Pwar is by far the best tank for affix

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For a reason pwar is the one tanking them in 5 tanks

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So the mob barely heals

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If he as pwar is getting 1 shot

uneven mason
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I thought that was because nom and late are aggro whores ๐Ÿ˜‰

cobalt seal
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Dear lord the rest of the tanks

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Nope

sick sentinel
cobalt seal
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Its because mob barely heals on pwar

uneven mason
sick sentinel
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i mean, then again, im not were close to attempting 31 keys also

uneven mason
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" I have to press buttons on a 31 wtf"

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It's almost satire

sick sentinel
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a +31 key that isn't considered standard and doesn't give appropriate gear and rewards is a key im never doing

ionic fern
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.

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Is that bait?

sick sentinel
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if keys only ever went up to 40 or whatever they go to now max

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and they didn't drop lvl 31 loot

uneven mason
sick sentinel
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i'd never do a +31

ionic fern
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Yes.

sick sentinel
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ever

lone eagle
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Yogi I think you can do a +31

uneven mason
ionic fern
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I'm irrelevant.

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So it's fine.

sick sentinel
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thats as much as i did in s4

uneven mason
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More than me

sick sentinel
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someone in here calculated exact key i would need, did that, exactly 2001 score for mount, stopped playing warrior ever since that date

ionic fern
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I gotchu Yogi.

minor helm
sick sentinel
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i get very laser focused on goal thingy

acoustic grotto
sick sentinel
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no matter what kinda cheese i gotta do

cobalt seal
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And skyhold once again got baited by yog

minor helm
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Does 31 continue the same trend as the levels before and give 20% drop chance to a 6th item?

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Or is the 5th item a hard cap

ionic fern
lone eagle
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Yogi'Saron

sick sentinel
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if you complete a 25-40 key (assuming 40 is hard cap) and you do it on time, you should have a more % chance of mount drops

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im just sayin

lone eagle
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actual yogi

sick sentinel
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yo-gi-oh the god of death

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king of games

ionic fern
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Oh shit.

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Yogi higher r.io than i am.

jagged pier
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yogi for blue name

cobalt seal
ionic fern
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Don't judge me.
I got a clown next to my name.

cobalt seal
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I dont see nome there

ionic fern
cobalt seal
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Or screaming TAUNT TAUNT TAUNT

jagged pier
sick sentinel
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in bfa for my group of 3 friends (warrior dk paladin, ninja all the plate and weapons and trade it with eachother) was common practice to yell out "purple/green" for the purple green swirls of 8.2

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cuz, other wise i wouldn't pay attention and stand in purple swirl and go kaboom

sick sentinel
lusty grotto
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good morning you cuties

sick sentinel
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peepoBlush you should fix your watch, cutie

lusty grotto
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just coming through to remind a certain someone about a WA thing COUGH @strong forum COUGH get out of bedge

jagged pier
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take a while hes working later and later till christmas

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C:

lusty grotto
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๐Ÿ˜ฎ

lusty grotto
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๐Ÿ˜„

sick sentinel
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well ufo's are big rigs, that come from outerspace (cuz you cant be american without believing in aliens imo)

lusty grotto
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i read bbq and was sold

strong forum
lusty grotto
modern brook
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cant u just update the load rules urself?

strong forum
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Just an idea at the top of my head would be adding another trigger

lusty grotto
strong forum
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BTW

lusty grotto
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i just cant figure out why it doesnt like parent's load settings

strong forum
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It has to be classand spec

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On load conditions

lusty grotto
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yea

strong forum
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It doesn't work if it's just class

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A stupid fix could probably also just be tying it to ignore pain or smth

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Ykno, class + spec + ignore pain

jade pulsar
strong forum
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It's legion

jade pulsar
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Ohh

strong forum
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You can tell because of skittish affix

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And no nathrezim

jade pulsar
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I was very confused

lusty grotto
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well, putting the class/spec in load settings under the rage bar has worked for all this time

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i mean since i got the WA a month ago

strong forum
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Did you update the addon itself

lusty grotto
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yea

strong forum
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Ya then idk

lusty grotto
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thats what i have to do every time

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well, after every aura update i mean heh

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it is just a minor inconvenience tbh

strong forum
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But it does work ye?

sweet urchin
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so vers increases damage and healing, does that mean it gets extra benefit with the fueled by violence talent? by increasing the damage done by deep wounds, and then increasing the healing it does?

lusty grotto
strong forum
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Idk if it interacts with fbv, but it doesn't work on stuff like indomitable and impending victory for example

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It double dips with leech for example, so it could double dip with fbv aswell

lusty grotto
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usually wowhead indicates what percentage of vers is added in the talent pages, it doesnt for fbv

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directed a redeemed

drowsy scarab
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did they remove that shield wall protects allys aswell ?

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i cant seem to find the talent i thought i had it

jagged pier
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yes

sturdy sable
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Ye

drowsy scarab
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did they change any other talents aswell?

ebon wren
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sidearm was moved.

uneven mason
uncut notch
lusty grotto
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eh

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why would someone not take AM lol

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are we meme'ing?

jagged pier
slow shale
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Maybe if your not taking Avatar.. but then.. Why not take avatar?

jagged pier
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๐Ÿ‘€

lusty grotto
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lol

sick sentinel
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avatar better with UW Immovable object ๐Ÿ™‚

lusty grotto
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๐Ÿค”

oak echo
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this conversation confuses me

lusty grotto
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bro

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lol

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you have no idea

oak echo
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why did we go from talking about party shield wall to literal mandatory talents

lusty grotto
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this is some 900 iq meme'ing

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im too dum

oak echo
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i hope so

sick sentinel
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asmon gold doing prot talents right now

lusty grotto
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o

oak echo
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who?

sick sentinel
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who, loll

lusty grotto
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i mean tbf asmon's editors are gods amongst men

minor helm
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He should have yogi on

sick sentinel
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im going to see what he thinks...

lusty grotto
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but it goes without saying hes not to be followed when it comes to talent advice lmao

sick sentinel
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so far build

oak echo
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if only the man wasn't an absolute monkey when it comes to actually learning things

lusty grotto
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he was bladestorm for raids with fury before prepatch, and there's a lot of really obvious glaring mistakes

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but hes entertaining at least

mellow quartz
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He also does half the dps of other dps players whenever he tries ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ

lusty grotto
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lol yea

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honestly its more often then not a meme

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part of his act

crimson dagger
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if he was good at wow he wouldnt be as popular ๐Ÿ™‚

sick sentinel
lusty grotto
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yeah that's fair as well

sick sentinel
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wherever the fuck he goes

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he doesn't ever have to try

minor helm
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What does that have to do with his dps ability

mellow quartz
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Didnโ€™t he use to be decent back in the day?

spring umbra
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Who cares?

sick sentinel
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he can just get carried through any content

mellow quartz
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Havenโ€™t really followed what he is doing much.

lusty grotto
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hes a decent player, he just does his act

mellow quartz
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Nah not anymore

lusty grotto
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hes def not terrible

mellow quartz
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He definitely is

sick sentinel
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he dies alot to raids and has zero clue whats going on in these new raids

jagged pier
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playing prot btw

strong forum
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He's not playing to be good

lusty grotto
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lol

strong forum
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That should be obv to anyone

lusty grotto
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right

strong forum
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He gave up giving any shits back in legion

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When he quit raiding

echo bramble
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He's playing to entertain. That's what he does for a living

sick sentinel
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he's not taking devestator

mellow quartz
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His clips channel on YouTube is amazing though. Donโ€™t care how he plays wow really.

strong forum
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Ofc

spring umbra
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tbf, itโ€™s not easy to entertain and focus on playing optimally

lusty grotto
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yeah his editors are amazing

strong forum
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He's an entertainer

outer thorn
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Devastate Enjoyers

strong forum
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An excellent one at that

severe hatch
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Yep he is not try-harding, not that it matters either way. Not like Asmon purports to be a guide

lusty grotto
severe hatch
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That's why he likely makes more money than everyone in this channel combined

sick sentinel
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yah so we go in and we kill the boss and nobody dies and i get the sword okay? also healers i think you have to despell on this fight too maybe?

lusty grotto
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of course

sick sentinel
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okay we killed the boss oohhhh the sword i need that

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taking BV as well now too

lusty grotto
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besides, hes gonna give us a lot of roast targets in the coming weeks if he keeps yolo picking talents

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and this is a good thing ๐Ÿ‘

violet drum
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anyone have a decent victory rush wa? I can't find any standalone ones

jagged pier
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do u need one?

violet drum
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ideally ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

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impending victory*

lusty grotto
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why do you need to keep track of it?

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trying to BDK arent you?

violet drum
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no, I'd just like to know if I have it lmfao

lusty grotto
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but why

sick sentinel
violet drum
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pugs are rough, and sometimes the healer dies lmfao

jagged pier
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but if its inpending u always have it

lusty grotto
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ok thats fair

jagged pier
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u dont need to wait for a kill

violet drum
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it resets on death still

ocean bloom
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you can make one with templetes in like 4 button presses i think

violet drum
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I have zero experience, but I'll spend some time looking it up lmfao

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It's probably not hard

hazy bronze
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I prefer inedible victory

lusty grotto
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there's some easy to follow templates when creating an aura, they should be enough honestly

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but feel free to ask if you're stuck creating it

sick sentinel
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build he decided on and gave it a nice name

cobalt seal
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looks better than some rank 10 io players

spark agate
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I would try this asmo build

lusty grotto
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not a bad build honestly

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could have been much much worse

opaque hearth
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are the profession tools that have stats intended to be "always on" . For example, Seths fishing pole with 310 stamina?

foggy wigeon
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so , question cause i kinda spaced out yesterday. is bloodsurge still really worth it or is instigate better now even in AoE ?

lusty grotto
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bloodsurge only worth not picking for ST

mellow quartz
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Itโ€™s also very easy to test. Just log a key and compare dot ticks to devastator hits.

outer thorn
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didnt someone yesterday say that surge would still be 80% more rage than instigate in his key?

rose pilot
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are we using execute?

lusty grotto
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a key is in general not ST

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pulls can be smaller or bigger depending on dungeon

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so the argument is whether it still retains value on smaller pack dungeons

mellow quartz
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It does.

lusty grotto
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i should have said was

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referencing that Supremo just said

mellow quartz
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Temple is a relatively low mob count dungeon in many pulls and bloodsurge gave me 1300 rage vs instigator would have given me 760

lusty grotto
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it probably will boil down to

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raid vs keys

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and raids being single target bosses, not cleavefests

strong forum
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Even if its just smallies

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There's like 3 pulls in whole key that are 2-3 mobs, rest is 5+

mellow quartz
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Which other dungeons have much smaller pulls?

strong forum
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Hov

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Smbg

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Azure vault

mellow quartz
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HoV?

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Pull bigger lol

strong forum
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Yeah is primarily 3-4 mob pulls in the hall

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You have like 2-3 big pulls

mellow quartz
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Ideally you wouldnโ€™t wanna do any of those packs solo though.

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Let me find a halls and see

strong forum
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They're all limited by kicks

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The fenryr section doesn't count cuz lmao

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Those mobs dont do anything anyway

outer thorn
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they MOOO a lot

strong forum
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And especially at odyn bloodsurge will suck massively

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Half the key is spent 1-2mob gaming up there

mellow quartz
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1265 vs 900 for a halls with small pulls inside

strong forum
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Yeah but look at where you get the big rage surges

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Not on the important pulls

mellow quartz
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What are the important pulls?

strong forum
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Bosses

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Trash is literally irrelevant in that key

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You have 5 bosses

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And 4 minibosses

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They're gonna be the deal breakers

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And instigate massively outperforms on those

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I got 835 rage in HoV 15 fort from bloodsurge

cobalt seal
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1st big pull is BL

strong forum
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Vs 841 melee hits

cobalt seal
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next big pull on pugs is like wolves

strong forum
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Wolves you don't big pull

lusty grotto
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is HoV the only outlier?

strong forum
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Cuz they will wipe your group

cobalt seal
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fucking squishy specs

strong forum
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Legit inting if you pull more than 3 wolves

lusty grotto
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hold my beer

cobalt seal
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didn't they nerf them?

strong forum
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Idk the streams I've seen it's always 3-4 people dying on wolves

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When they pull 2 packs of em

mellow quartz
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Wolves are changed

lusty grotto
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is this like the dumb wasps in academy?

mellow quartz
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No more group damage but they murder the tank now

lusty grotto
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i cant fucking remember those wolves during legion

cobalt seal
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wasps are "fine" nowadays

strong forum
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Nah, but they used to leap on Party members

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And did cleave dmg

mellow quartz
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Yeah wasps are ok

lusty grotto
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ohhhh

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i think i remember now

mellow quartz
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Big bears and wolves pulls are now super sketch for the tank.

cobalt seal
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bring more tanks

mellow quartz
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Bears is abt dropping the debuff via kiting

cobalt seal
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I'm pretty sure we gonna pull bears and wolves skip the stupid trash and have fun xD

strong forum
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I've not had issues with the bears

mellow quartz
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Wolves is just straight up nukes

strong forum
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Never got over 3 stacks

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And if I did, just dwarf lol

mellow quartz
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If you pull 8 of them it stacks up

strong forum
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I pulled 8 of them

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๐Ÿ™‚

mellow quartz
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๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ

lusty grotto
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smh my head

strong forum
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And wolves didn't do anything either

lusty grotto
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im waiting on cross faction guilds to fucking go back to alliance

mellow quartz
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How many did you pull?

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Pull 3 packs of wolves on a 15+ fort and tell me they do nothing

strong forum
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Pulled 1x 3 pack

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Cuz inting to pull wolves ๐Ÿ™‚

mellow quartz
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Yeah 3 wolves alone are fine lol

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7 hurt

honest hazel
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With rage gen being lower are you guys still taking barbaric

strong forum
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Dumb pull is not fine, more news at 11

strong forum
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Not on beta

honest hazel
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Alright that's what I figured

strong forum
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In retail yes cuz banner

honest hazel
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Yeah speaking beta

mellow quartz
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They donโ€™t leap on group members anymore so as long as you can live they are fine.

honest hazel
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The rage loss sucks

strong forum
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Yup, sucks big time

mellow quartz
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Worst way to nerf a spec is via resources

honest hazel
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Agreed ๐Ÿ˜ญ๐Ÿ˜ญ

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I thought we'd see some tuning to do and bear this week

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Like on my dk and I have jailer mace mythic level so I get that is carrying a bit but my dps and survivability as a dk is insane

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Not that Warrior is bad just weird to nerf

lusty grotto
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oh boy

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rage loss sucks for fotm rerollers who would have thought

honest hazel
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I've played Warrior for 18 years and it still sucks ๐Ÿคท๐Ÿฝโ€โ™‚๏ธ

mellow quartz
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I like they start m+ testing on Thursday now.

lusty grotto
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why play it then

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ive played warrior for 18 years and never said it sucks

honest hazel
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No I didn't mean Warrior sucks

lusty grotto
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game sucked in s1, that's a whole different story

honest hazel
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I was responding to your comment of rerollers

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I love my warrior just wish they wouldn't have nerfed resource gen is all

lusty grotto
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well we did fine in s4

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and rage gen should still be better than then

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so idk

ebon wren
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s1 was fine. warriors represented, nerftank was running.. s2-s3 is when we dissapeared

lusty grotto
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2-3 weeks of prepatch to comment on a rage gen nerf is kinda weird

honest hazel
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We did fine more then just s4 but yeah. I've been playing beta a few months now so playing with it and then not there is a difference.

lusty grotto
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well i unsubbed at the end of s1, so i cant comment on anything in between

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but resubbed a week after s4 started, and i didnt have a lot of problems

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geared up from s1 gear and smashed 20s easier (and faster) than any other season as a matter of fact

honest hazel
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Absolutely and I apologize if my above question/comments made you feel like I was trashing warriors. Just playing on beta with bloodsurge at 15% to now at 7% just felt crappy is all. I'll still be playing Warrior they are great ๐Ÿ™‚

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I multi class every tank I was only comparing the tuning they made to dk vs Warrior.

cobalt seal
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How so

honest hazel
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They nerfed resource gen for Warrior and straight damage albeit small damage nerfs coupled with less damage due to less rage. For dk they increased their dps and they have resource glut (strictly speaking beta currently)

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so my thought was we'd see some adjustments this week for bear and dk

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They could just be wanting more data

mellow quartz
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To be honest I donโ€™t feel rage issues on beta outside very very far in between cases.

honest hazel
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You don't notice the lack of rage gen from bloodsurge or you strictly mean you're just not having issues waiting to build rage to use Rev or ip?

outer thorn
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arent we going to be scaling disgustingly well with haste too? I mean more so than ever since it has cascading effects on our rage generation

lusty grotto
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see that's the part that doesnt add up

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like it feels only people that just picked up warrior would say that since they got used to 2 weeks of swimming in rage

honest hazel
cobalt seal
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Only thing about bear is the healing talent

honest hazel
honest hazel
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Like brm could use some small tweaks also

lusty grotto
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it cause those are the tanks that dont have heals that scale with HP

honest hazel
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Correct

cobalt seal
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You said we would see changes for bdk and bear

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What kind of changes

lusty grotto
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ok so im confused

outer thorn
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BDKs can now Dual Weild Guardian Druids

honest hazel
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Yeah either them brought down somewhat or maybe brm brought up a little for survability their dps is obviously tops.

cobalt seal
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It makes no sense

honest hazel
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The healing they're doing is insane

cobalt seal
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And bdk is the healing king

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And always has been

lusty grotto
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yeah the talent will get nerfed

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i think Crom mentioned that

cobalt seal
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Yep

honest hazel
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Yeah so that's what I'd expect to see but they could just want more data

lusty grotto
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well, we dont know for a fact, but it's disgusting so if blizzard ignores it then they are smoking some big rocks... but blizzard is blizzard

honest hazel
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Agreed lol

lusty grotto
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and things like these have happened

honest hazel
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Yeah absolutely not a question. I think tank balance overall is amazing though

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I do feel a lot weaker on the brm but a lot of that is a skill issue on my part

lusty grotto
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btw can someone correct me, but LoT is only available in normal mode right?

honest hazel
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Yep

lusty grotto
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i see, thanks

honest hazel
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Any time still solid xmog and 278 gear!

lusty grotto
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easier to get my alts in

honest hazel
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Yup lol

heavy temple
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can i pull the shrouded mobs in grimrail through the wall before 1st boss?

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as a prot war

mellow quartz
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Sure

heavy temple
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just HT?

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is there some specific positioning?

sick sentinel
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cool, race changes and such ar 30% off now

lofty widget
lusty grotto
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jump and heroic throw

mellow quartz
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Be to the left of the gate and jump near the wall

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Not on the gate itself

tall spoke
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do i use rend in any case?

lusty grotto
tall spoke
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sry

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thank you

prisma crane
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if you stand by the wall to the left of the gate you dont even have to jump

lusty grotto
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im used to jumping

prisma crane
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its just counterintuitive to stand in front of the solid object instead of the door with holes

ebon wren
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throw should be 0-40 yards. drives me nuts. bears moonfire is 0-40 and can hit behind them

somber shell
honest hazel
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Yeah I am still half expecting some tuning to Monk even MW feels weird to play based on watching my wife play it anyway.

lusty grotto
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mw strong as f

honest hazel
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You think so?

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Damage seems lower considering they are doing melee damager as part of their kit.

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Then when big burst damage comes out they're having to smash vivify

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and then go oom

somber shell
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I think BRM could use some more self-sustain buttons, or something like the SL 4 piece bonus but tuned down a bit..

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maybe not more buttons, actually ๐Ÿ™‚

finite narwhal
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anyone have problem with evokers in keys? I gather packs together, and suddednly I am without aggro whe evokers starts bursting

ebon wren
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more buttons lol

somber shell
cobalt seal
#

like

cobalt seal
#

brew needs small tuning

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that's it

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and players to turn on the brain

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that's the big issue of brew

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they lost brain with 4p

finite narwhal
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no, they had 261ilvl, I have 265, but they had 60-70k dps on first spell lol

ebon wren
#

I saw an evoker with 311 gear like... hours after you could create one. wtf

honest hazel
#

Yeah I think they just need to readjust the vivify nerf and the sos nerf

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They did that pre 40% tuning

lusty grotto
somber shell
#

I'd like to see vivify and word of glory get some buffs

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non-% based tank heals were mentioned in the recent wowhead interview so I bet there will be some tweaks there

sturdy sable
lusty grotto
#

especially with 3 affixes

zealous willow
#
  • they are after all nerfs
lusty grotto
#

indeed

prisma crane
#

indubitably

sturdy sable
quiet crane
lusty grotto
#

After the Wildfire range increased to 12 yards (was 8 yards) and its healing by 400%.

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uhhh

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thats the old one right?

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oh it is

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wait no, wasnt it 800%?

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and its 600% now

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yeah i dont think that's recent

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my buddies are dumb and late

ebon wren
#

๐Ÿ’ซ

lusty grotto
#

i swear to god, they get me every single time

#

time to spam the ๐Ÿง“ emote

cobalt seal
slim dove
#

Pretty neat having 270 evokers spike 100k dps on big pulls and rip entire packs off me

modern brook
#

a) do more damage b) challenging shout is inline with their cds and you're forced to take it

prisma crane
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c) fuck em, lol

mighty valley
#

nerf the brand new class because of an irrelevant two week prepatch period imo

ember tangle
#

there is only so much you can do to keep aggro, if they still rip aggro consistently it's their problem

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just wait for 5 sunders

knotty idol
#

Is threat an issue on beta or no?

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Don't want a repeat of shadowlands season one critcake

honest hazel
#

A lot of times it's misplay on my part though.

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But challenging shout does wonders when that happens

uneven mason
#

Their new baby is overpowered? Never seen that before.......*looks at wotlk classic

knotty idol
honest hazel
#

In either ions or Morgan days interview yesterday it is on their radar to make sure tanks aren't having threat issues so I'd like to be optimistic that it won't be an issue.

sturdy sable
#

Theyd just give us a flat % buff to threat gen.... Again

mighty valley
#

what's wrong with that

#

simple problem, simple solution

sturdy sable
#

Id rather be given more damage lmao

honest hazel
#

Yeah i believe what they've been doing it is tying it to player power ie: renown and since there is none they said they are figuring out how to adjust it season after season.

knotty idol
#

Imo if tank threat is an issue just aura buff all tank damage by like 10-15%, make us do more dam not just more threat

mighty valley
#

yes yes, i know all tanks want to do dps damage and also never die

knotty idol
#

Yeah make tanks pop tf off it's lame when tank dam is low and they have the entire weight of the group on their shoulders

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Let us pop off while having huge responsibilities

mighty valley
#

most dps specs are much harder to play well than tanking well

knotty idol
#

I disagree but that's a fair opinion there are dps specs that are difficult to optimise but I think that goes for tanks too in the sense of routing, cooldown usage and positioning not so much rotation tho

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I also think healers should do big dam

prisma crane
#

idk... playing range dps is like... a joke, its easy AF

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playing "well" for a lot of dps relies on tanks playing well for them, with pull sizing and timing and movement

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its not hard to hit combust on a mage, its hard to line it up with pulls if your tank pulls small only

knotty idol
#

I agree 100%

prisma crane
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only thing i could agree with that's easier for tanks is your floor is lower, people notice bad dps, if a tank plays poorly but still doesn't die no one notices

knotty idol
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Say playing your dps rotation perfectly will give you like 30-40% dps over someone playing it normally, having a tank playing optimally will literally double your overall dps

knotty idol
slim dove
#

yall chill i was just saying its neat for a dps 30 ilvls under me to pull entire packs off me with 1 ability

knotty idol
#

I meant it will double your dps's overall

slim dove
#

Probably 1 good evoker for every 10 shitheads

uneven mason
#

The new age we've entered

quiet crane
#

Class is still very fresh a lot probably havnt checked any guides amongst other things and are just having fun

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Experimenting aswell

uneven mason
#

It's actually a good thing I think because it's forcing people to recognize that the button exists

uneven mason
#

When they get called out

slim dove
#

as a rdruid main usually im seething they get their interrupt in a good line of talents

uneven mason
#

Druid is a mess

#

My holy paladin is dancing they're so happy to have access to it again

slim dove
uneven mason
#

I called the "we're too lazy to fix this so here's an aura buff" the week before they did it

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It's kinda like leaving a Rubik's cube with 2 sides still scrambled

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Feral and boomkin are good 2/3 ain't bad...what do you mean druids have 4 specs?

slim dove
#

feral still suffers from existing anytime boomie is remotely viable

uneven mason
#

Feral is actually fun at the moment, and nah, feral suffers more from WW being good than boomkin because the people who play boomkin when they're op are the rerollers to warlock and mage

slim dove
#

I mean more, for the people that dont really chase the meta as far as gearing new classes, why play melee if a ranged spec is equal or better?

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feral is giga fun, i love it, but i'd still go boomie in m+ everytime

lusty grotto
#

i love me some ferals

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im glad they werent flat out ignored like most expansions

slim dove
#

What I am stoked for is fury/feral/healer. First expac playing warrior cuz my groups tank wants a break

lusty grotto
#

i dont play it though

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i just love me some feral group mates

#

oh no

#

am i gonna have to bait again

uneven mason
mighty valley
#

most ranged specs feel ass to me, all my faves are melee outside of a few

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favorite healers are mw/hpal too

#

fire mage is my one big exception but it's so much harder than the others

warm plinth
#

11 to goooooooo

sand pebble
#

Whats the fastest way to level atm ghash - invasions or questing/dung spam

knotty idol
mossy mortar
#

invasions

#

did 50-60 in 45 mins

warm plinth
#

jk I suck at counting

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9 left

sand pebble
#

What about 18-60

#

I have a mage sitting in bfa

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Might level it

mossy mortar
warm plinth
#

Dungeons are never the fastest way to level though, unless it's one of the like 10 people who can still do Freehold boosting

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I've been averaging about an hour 50-60 with my route. I've seen a lot of claims about invasion leveling but no one has actually shown me /played times for invasions

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this was my fastest one so far, which was a bear

hardy snow
warm plinth
#

Full disclosure, I did actually use my DF boost on one of these toons

sand pebble
#

Nah i want kul tiran heritage

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And mechagnome dk is 50

#

Think i boosted that but ill level another

warm plinth
#

Kul Tiran heritage is so fucking good

#

Easily my favorite heritage armor

sand pebble
#

I made a highmountain outlaw rogue, that looks amazing

warm plinth
#

I just can't see a tauren being a rogue

#

It's so weird to me

sand pebble
#

Cowmooflage

warm plinth
#

Is that his name? ๐Ÿ˜‚

sand pebble
#

I memed it hard

warm plinth
#

That's amazing

#

I love it

#

Would you like to see my full meme character?

sand pebble
#

Always

warm plinth
#

This is Huntmaster Huntmaster and his trusty shank-wielding crab McCrabberton

sand pebble
#

Haha amazing

high torrent
#

What talent (that's not overkill) will help for high up keep of shield block?

sand pebble
#

All of them except bolster and shield charge reprisal talent - you can keep 100% uptime without those 2

warm plinth
#

I'm pretty sure I have the record for 59 to 60 though

#

1 second ๐Ÿ™‚

high torrent
prisma crane
#

atm i play ITF because i want the extra damage, but HR is better for higher SB uptime

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and fwiw all of the builds in the pins show HR

sand pebble
high torrent
#

awesome sauce thanks, blindy copy pasta'd the wowhead build

sand pebble
#

There is some points you can shift around for your needs

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Depending on what you are doing

prisma crane
sand pebble
#

Outburst also doubles that extra rage so its pretty big

warm plinth
#

ez full uptime on max itf

sand pebble
#

5 tank meta

sturdy sable
cobalt seal
#

Old news

prisma crane
placid vale
#

How is pwar guys? We still kicking?

warm plinth
placid vale
#

Mb mb xD

warm plinth
#

But yes, we're gods among men

mighty valley
#

We're not like........ very clearly busted but we're looking good, all the tanks are

placid vale
#

Nice, torn between pwar and bdk

warm plinth
#

Neither is a bad choice right now

jolly inlet
#

Im stuck between dh and bdk because I also want to push m+ and pvp

placid vale
#

Well i mostly do m+. Is any of those two better for m+ atm?

cobalt seal
pallid quiver
#

DH is usually a more consistent bet for PvP from what I remember, but it's always up to the whims of Blizz, so

cobalt seal
#

BDK on flag carry maps

#

is kinda a no no

mighty valley
#

I've heard some vague opinions that prot warrior is looking maybe the best for m+ but no one really knows anything right now and tuning isn't even done

slim dove
jolly inlet
cobalt seal
#

without any value to it

mighty valley
#

welcome to every discord

#

well

#

people usually don't admit they're feelycrafting

cobalt seal
#

anyone that knows what's best (rn) in m+ in terms of tanks

#

is full of crap

mighty valley
#

i think it's reasonably fair to say that our toolkit does look good for m+ but pushing is always tuning dependent

pallid quiver
#

the best atm for dragonflight is whatever does the most damage since i haven't heard anyone say "yo i'm gettin' splapped" as a tank yet, only dps and heals getting splapped

sand pebble
#

this 252 vendor trinket pumps

pallid quiver
#

this has changed like every week tho

sand pebble
pallid quiver
#

So for anything we care about, we ain't finding out until M+ proper comes out

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blizz could, if they so desired, just cripple all tanks that aren't DH, or DK, or whatever. it is, in fact, within their ability to do so

sand pebble
#

and monk would be on top

pallid quiver
#

yeah but

the main thing i heard last stopping groups was DPS and Heals getting just blasted by the mobs

#

so, like

#

tank utility or anything isn't stopping any of that

#

can't stun a boss

#

can only intervene so many people

sand pebble
#

for pwar sure, take darkness/ams/bop/ability to heal other t anks

#

thats worth more to a tank than damage

#

in those situations

#

party wall made pwar op and so far infront, now its gone all tanks have strengths and weak points making 'meta' very difficult to place

pallid quiver
#

like

#

they're still dying last i heard

#

i ain't in beta so i can't check

#

but if they're dying through those, still, it doesn't matter

#

I still don't care, though, because the tuning's going to be adjusted still, plus the builds on Blizz's backends that we likely haven't seen yet

cobalt seal
#

Any tank is dying last

sand pebble
#

asking whats meta currently is like asking for a solved puzzle thats missing pieces

pallid quiver
#

I've not even remotely asked that

sand pebble
#

infact its more like we have 6 puzzles and jumbled and there is a handful of pieces missing

#

no end pic to look at and someone asking whats the best one

#

was more a general reply to above discussion not you directly

jolly inlet
sand pebble
modern brook
#

this guy has 8 cc breaks on barghast shades and is complaining people arent ccing it

#

hows everyone else's night going?

mortal brook
#

most mechanically proficient LFR player

severe hatch
#

Is anyone else finding damage is way way up in Upper Kara?

#

I know the new scaling is supposedly in

warm plinth
#

The new scaling is 100% in

#

You can see for yourself when you put the key in

severe hatch
#

Just seems that Medivh's damage is in excess even accounting for the increased scaling

#

Piercing missiles nearly killing me through shield wall

#

+22

warm plinth
#

with 0 stacks or?

#

There are three portals up by the flight master in Oribos

severe hatch
#

Yep off the rip

warm plinth
#

One goes to Gorgrond, ones goes to Mechagon, and one goes to Karazhan

slim dove
#

I can't imagine they wouldn't do portals again.

warm plinth
#

Yeah they have to do portals of some kind. People would riot.

slim dove
#

dps in preset gear sit around 390-410

#

i think

warm plinth
#

yeah remember we are going to have a 40% increase to our health at level 70

#

To account for the 40% increased damage in dungeons

sand pebble
#

i would imagine its coded as we gain 4% more hp per level

#

they removed the additional hp from cov/renown and made it move speed

#

instead of a flat 40% jump from 69-70

cobalt seal
ebon wren
#

there's new dungeon scaling on live?? that might explain why my other tanks getting wrecked

sand pebble
#

yes the new df scaled for m+ is being used

warm plinth
#

Yes, the DF per level increase is already in the game

ebon wren
#

didn't notivce yet on my warrior lol

#

and ran a 22 a bit ago

warm plinth
#

war too stronk

sand pebble
#

going to run my 22 wshop tonight and kill some dps with the slimes

ebon wren
#

my favorite game

sand pebble
#

oozes or whatever they are

warm plinth
#

in the end

#

it doesn't even matter

sick sentinel
#

i always called it junk/yard and work/shop

sand pebble
#

When you see DM whats it mean for you yogi

sick sentinel
#

like the slas to mean or so id always say +15 junk or 15 yard, whatevers moat easy to remember at time

#

i still get lost in and wipe to dire maul

#

so its always dead mines for me

#

ill let you guys in on secret, its always been more fun game with good friends

warm plinth
#

Dire Maul is in my top 3 contenders list for worst dungeon Blizzard ever made

sick sentinel
#

even its some guy half way across world and you never really speak to them know them

#

M+ season with original sunken temple when

slim dove
#

delete your post

edgy bone
#

IS annhyldes aegis really that good

slow token
#

If your pushing high level keys are you mainly in defensive stance or still staying in battle stance?

coarse flower
#

has there been any nerfs to spell reflect in M+ during wow's history?

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or has blizzard usually ignored it in dungeon content? cause I know they've nerfed it in raid scenarios (ghuun)

edgy bone
main pulsar
#

Do we not use rend for spreading AoE bleeds on packs? Doesn't mention it at all in the WoWhead guide but I am finding it fun to do in game

#

and effective

honest hazel
#

Tclap applys rend

#

As long as your talented into rend

main pulsar
#

Yeah that's what I mean

#

the wowhead guide doesnt mention the use of rend at all though

honest hazel
#

Right because it should say Thunderclap which applys rend.

#

You wouldn't use Rend since Thunderclap applys it and the rotation should say to Thunderclap.

main pulsar
#

ohhh i see what you're saying

#

dont need to ST rend first and then hit thunder clap

honest hazel
#

Yep!

main pulsar
#

I haven't been prot since cata, i remember you needed to use ST rend first

honest hazel
#

They changed that a bit back

main pulsar
#

i kind of liked that tho, felt powerful

honest hazel
#

on beta

main pulsar
#

damn i liked pressing rend

#

sad

warm plinth
#

You're probably the only warrior in history to say that

main pulsar
#

dayum

coarse flower
#

with the executes buffs, do we ever press execute or just spending with revenge still?

warm plinth
#

well, in ST you press execute instead of revenge

severe hatch
pallid quiver
warm plinth
#

No, but you can tell in logs if you are being hit in the back

#

Go to damage taken, click on melee, go to events, and click on shield block in the aura filter. Any event in that list that doesn't have a (B:xxx) next to it is a hit in the back

#

Let me clarify actually. Any event that isn't a parry, miss, or dodge, and doesn't have (B:xxx) next to it is a hit in the back*

warm plinth
#

@ionic fern HI ILY IT'S MY FRIDAY

ionic fern
#

Good morning.

cloud onyx
#

Hows prot warrior looking for dragomflight? Last I played was the last raid in bfa. It felt fun auto popping avatar with all the short cd thunderclaps. Is it a similar playstyle going into df?

cloud onyx
#

Loo, that's good to hear. I'll have to try mine out again

hollow token
#

Minus the charge weaving. Cuz f that

mighty valley
#

Charge weaving is still generally good in situations when it's feasible... it's just not a big pile of power every time

warm plinth
#

free rage never bad!

dusk hinge
#

hey guys ๐Ÿ™‚ has anyone thought about good profesions for warriors in df?

solar blade
#

quick question: if I am in combat stance and apply a bleed on my target, does it apply the -10%dmg on current bleed if I swap into def stance right after the application? in other words: is the -10% dmg from def stance dynamic?

mortal brook
#

everythings dynamic, no snapshots

dusk hinge
#

we are always staying in def right ? except when we are offtanking

warm plinth
#

Not in pre-patch, no

limpid anchor
reef sequoia
#

Hey folks, how is Prot looking for control over its own survivability? Does it have healing self-sustain? And does it have good tools for snap threat?

warm plinth
#

I mean, I'm sure eventually in DF you would use defensive stance.

limpid anchor
#

Yes on high keys and during tank busters in raid

#

Even on mythic bosses bstance is alright if you switch accordingly

#

Nhc and hc are bstance only

dusk hinge
#

I mean its just 3% crit isnt it

#

and you get the 10% dmg back from def stance yes .. I dont know .. I would rather be more tanky but I guess I will try

#

there are no stance required skills right

slow shale
#

correct, skills are not locked to stances

#

any skill either stance

limpid anchor
#

Yea but 10% dmg is 10% dmg

#

Do you need it? No

#

Is it better to have more dmg? Yep

dusk hinge
#

yes I know but I hate all that "tanks have to squish out every dps point even if it costs tankiness" same thing for healers "dps talents > heal talents"

#

I would rather have permanent less dmg taken in keys than a 1min faster key

warm plinth
#

Taking less damage in a key won't help time the key unless you would've died otherwise. Going 1 minute faster might be the difference between timing the key and not timing the key.

#

It's time-based content. It should seem logical that you want everyone providing as much damage as possible while performing their role.

dusk hinge
#

if you are playing higher keys where time actually matters it is even more likely that you will die without def stance I was talking about trash 15s where tankiness doesnt even matter and still would take the def stance rather than battle

warm plinth
#

Time matters in 15s just as much as it does in high keys. Have you never failed to time a +15? Or just barely timed a +15?

#

And if tankiness doesn't matter, then why would you lose damage to be MORE tanky?

dusk hinge
#

maybe in week 1 of season while being undergeared and with couple wipes, but no

reef sequoia
#

I suppose if you really think you're going to need the defensive help, you can just go into defensive stance when you need it and swap out for when you don't

warm plinth
#

So every pug you've ever been in has been successful?

dusk hinge
#

I have never pugged

#

any 15s

#

im pugging only low keys when testing something

dusk hinge
warm plinth
#

well if you're not pugging then it doesn't matter to anyone except your team

acoustic grotto
reef sequoia
limpid anchor
#

Just play some dungeons on it

#

No one can tell you what is fun for you

acoustic grotto
limpid anchor
#

30%

#

Unless it changes again

acoustic grotto
#

Ye, 30%. Thanks for correction

hardy snow
reef sequoia
#

Like yeah okay, no one has the same opinion of fun.. I just mean those qualities I mentioned in my OP are what I consider fun

#

Hence why I asked my questions the way I did.

limpid anchor
#

Itโ€™s sad that the focus shifted so much to โ€œmoar dpsโ€ for Tank and heal

acoustic grotto
limpid anchor
#

Especially for heal, not enjoying that aspect

acoustic grotto
acoustic grotto
warm plinth
hardy snow
acoustic grotto
limpid anchor
acoustic grotto
reef sequoia
#

<.<..

warm plinth
#

It could, but then threat would have to become brainless and something you don't even think about.

hardy snow
#

and why its actually a problem that tanks and healers focus also on doing dmg?

limpid anchor
#

When I play my heal, I donโ€™t want to care about dps

warm plinth
#

Tanks need to do damage because most people find damage fun and if you take that away, you take away people playing tanks because it's just not fun.

limpid anchor
#

On tank itโ€™s w/e

warm plinth
#

So don't do damage then. No one is forcing you to cast damage spells

limpid anchor
#

?

warm plinth
#

Be like the pug healers who just afk in between heals

limpid anchor
#

Ofc itโ€™s forced

#

I wouldnโ€™t play with a heal that doesnโ€™t do damage either

warm plinth
#

How is it forced? Flash heal doesn't do damage, healing surge doesn't do damage

acoustic grotto
warm plinth
#

Yeah, so how much worse would it be if tanking wasn't fun

acoustic grotto
#

Yup and it was like that since years so...

warm plinth
#

You'd have the three people in this conversation tanking, and everyone else would be playing DPS

acoustic grotto
#

But in some way, blizzard forced it with somethings like tierset damage bonus for example

warm plinth
#

Okay just to humor you, what would your idea of a tier set bonus be?

#

If it doesn't increase damage, what would it do?

limpid anchor
#

Or so you want to go back to the 1 skill every 24 secs

acoustic grotto
#

But as i said, i hate the mindset "tank&healers have to do damage" but i understand it cause it a way to do faster run. But sometimes, tanks have more dps than dps (exemple of bears in s4 with venthyr spells doing stupid damage xD)

limpid anchor
#

Thats prepatch

acoustic grotto
limpid anchor
#

And tanks never have more dps than dps

acoustic grotto
warm plinth
#

The tier sets of every spec in DF are lame as fuck because they're tier 1 sets

cobalt seal
#

/sleep?

warm plinth
#

Both the 2 set and 4 set either increase damage or reward you for doing more damage

neon elk
limpid anchor
#

Yes but thatโ€™s on shit players, not on the dps role

neon elk
#

Thats with cheese tho isnt it ?

cobalt seal
#

no cheese

#

we weren't eating

neon elk
#

But yes, s3/4 ( and many others ) are perfect example that tanks can do same or more than a competent dps

coarse flower
#

if the dps is competent that's not gonna happen lmao

neon elk
#

Even in best groups tanks arent realy behind and sometimes ahead , and those are very competent players so..

cobalt seal
coarse flower
warm plinth
mortal brook
#

How much without trogg boss pad detective

warm plinth
#

:kekw

mortal brook
#

Nice

cobalt seal
#

no pad allowed

mortal brook
#

Who am i to believe

cobalt seal
#

Me ofc

#

We dont pad

mortal brook
#

Same. Ethical hard dps stop at exactly 40 chaotic motes killed.

cobalt seal
#

Its funneling dmg to boss

#

No pad

limpid anchor
mortal brook
#

Funneling is ethical

mortal brook
rotund eagle
#

Hi do you ever use rend in your rotation as prot ?

#

I see in most of the builds you pick rend but dont see any guide useing it in the rotation :S

eager schooner
#

Check the pins

rotund eagle
#

I Have but cant find any info on it

eager schooner
#

------------Rend------------
How does Blood and Thunder work?
With Blood and Thunder and Rend Rend talented, Thunderclap sense automatically applies Rend to all target it hits.

  • No you dont need Rend Rend on your bars
rotund eagle
#

ah got it ๐Ÿ˜„

#

ty ๐Ÿ™‚

oblique garnet
ionic fern
oblique garnet
#

You have no funnel

cobalt seal
#

Ofc i do

oblique garnet
#

No

cobalt seal
#

Yes

ionic fern
#

You went Venthyr and still managed to pad less than Nom on warrior.

#

What is this.

cobalt seal
#

Boss died to fast

#

Couldnt get 2nd meta

ionic fern
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๐Ÿ˜‚

oblique garnet
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Also why would anyone care about damage in jy

cobalt seal
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Because its dmg rankings

oblique garnet
ionic fern
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I don't care about damage rankings as per-se.
I just care that all my rankings look the same color.

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Too mixed.

cobalt seal
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I see orange

ionic fern
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Yeah, Nom bad.

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Mine are all gray.

blazing condor
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๐Ÿ˜Ž

ionic fern
blazing condor
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this was the closest i got

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but no tarra rng sadge

proven depot
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what does those images mean?

strong forum
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Bigger number better player

ionic fern
strong forum
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Yeah

ionic fern
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But it's fine.
We all know that Day 1 raid release normal parses is where it's at.

pallid quiver
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day 2 is for cowards who aren't dedicated enough to really parse

sick sentinel
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is impenetrable wall considered a must have because of the +3rage on Shield Slam? or is it something we can consider skipping

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as we dont really seem to need the shield wall cd reduction even in 20s i've seen on beta from a dmg taken perspective

strong forum
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It's the most rage/second talent

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Other than bloodsurge in big pulls

sick sentinel
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so you would consider this a must pick because of rage gen?

strong forum
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Si

sick sentinel
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alright, appreciate the answer

livid osprey
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Because of Bloodsurge nerf we will prob weave in shield slams even in big pulls, right?

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Didn't play since the nerfs went live and I was wondering because before I was able to just Thunder Clap and Revenge

strong forum
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Yes, you're less likely now to stop casting SS in aoe

livid osprey
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Thanks

mellow quartz
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Only really found first pull in HOV and tree boss in AA to be places you could just send tc an revenge and for those not even 100% of the time.

strong forum
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Ya you're basically back to SL playstyle

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Always SS

crisp lagoon
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do stances still have threat modifiers? or can I sneakily stay in battle stance for more damage and blame the healers when I die ๐Ÿ˜Ž

strong forum
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No threat changes

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Actually you'll have more threat in b-stance cuz you'll do 14% more dmg seanbee

crisp lagoon
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just what I wanted to hear xeos

strong forum
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And I generally don't recommend sitting in d-stance needlessly

obsidian path
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Still strange to me, this will take time to get used to it

golden basin
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d-stance is reserved for before a big tankbuster or a higher damage key?

grave crane
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its really just a CD now that you can use for DR when you need it and then go back to B stance and do damage

golden basin
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Ah, got it ๐Ÿ™‚ I'll have to figure out when it's necessary

grave crane
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During tyrannical boss hits or maybe some mongo pulls on fort? Idk I havenโ€™t used it yet

dawn canyon
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Wirldwin is 360

grave crane
dawn canyon
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I am merely quoting a genious from lfg

bold wave
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so whirlwind > revenge

warm plinth
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Only 5 remain LETSGOOO

cobalt seal
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I dont see evoker on that list

warm plinth
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It's hiding at the bottom haha. I'm doing those last

mortal brook
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Should just boost the evoker to 60

warm plinth
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Lol

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Yeah they're real hard to level

minor helm
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How many do you gear further than just dinging 60?

warm plinth
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Well there's bot really time to gear them

minor helm
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True didnโ€™t read you still had 5

warm plinth
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I have like 6ish toons that are 290+ though

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The other 5 will be done tonight but I gotta sleep ๐Ÿ˜ด

ionic fern
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I'm still 285 on my 1 char.

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Wtf

mortal brook
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Not leveling from invasions? Thats a full 252 set

warm plinth
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@jagged pier sorry if that call actually went through. I had my phone in my hand while I was trying to unlock my door and somehow managed to call you

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Nah I have a pretty solid route that I'm doing in threads that takes me about an hour

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Easy and consistent

oblique garnet
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And play the current expansion and not ptr or beta

ionic fern
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๐Ÿ˜ฆ

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Truth always hurts.

modern brook
sick sentinel
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i'll start to fuck up on which one i'm using vs supposed to be using and will just be another indicator of badness

limpid anchor
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That seems like a big hand eye coordination problem

sick sentinel
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gunna be getting a new better keyboard in a few days because the one i have now isn't the best

agile elbow
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Generally you just bstance

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Everything

sick sentinel
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mechanical and light up, yeah, but non hotswappable and outemu's..... blaarrgggh, not very good

grave crane
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Why would d stance and b stance be the reason you stop pwar? Itโ€™s just another cd to use

ocean bloom
minor helm
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Just get a big ass wa that tells u ur stance

ocean bloom
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mine only reminds me if im not in a stance or if im in dstance

minor helm
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Or just pull the bandaid off and donโ€™t be pwar instead of saying you might not

sick sentinel
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any idea why 2 robots in LFR gaurdian would go off at exact same time?