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Right ss being prio makes sense, I was more wondering about TC prio vs revenge prio during avatar
I tend to just alternate revenge and tc
Press IP more
aight got it, thank you guys ๐
TFW you get mad because revenge procs a free one
honestly free revenge almost feels bad sometimes x)
ive been asked to play dps/off tank sometimes.its my frist time touching warrior dps,which spec is better and simpler?
im stressed out about it cant decide what to do.
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You sure you playing pwar?
ow i know prot semi good my confusion is about the dps spec
i thought you infamously don't play pwar as well
your a dh for nomer or somethin
"oh i saw my friend driving this cool car, so i must know how to drive it perfectly too and know all of its ins and outs compared to my cool car!" ... sure uh huh
Like don't stress, pwar is strong as for DPS tuning us still rough but just play the one you enjoy, fury tends to be easier
No one knows which will be better yet and it changes constantly anyway. Fury is simpler to play
Jinx
Got em
You go to the 'Resources' tab and then select rage (instead of hit points)
you play pwar also? yeah? no?
When the community troll and live in toxicbear get in a slap fight
yeah just found it, thanks!
so like being in the passenger seat to a viper a few times, doesn't mean you know how to care for and drive a viper sports car
Im trying to understand what yogi is saying
You have a translator?
same like if you have a corvette and you invite him to yours to be passanger
First mistake
he's saying "do you even play pwar" and far as i know, he doesn't play pwar himself
yet attacks everyone else for doing it wrong
because he's beside a good one lots
You don't need to play something to understand the ins and outs, however he's certainly a snarky bastard, so let me translate "are you sure you're playing protwarrior" is his way of saying "you're missing something"
Because pwar shouldn't have a problem
Pwar is by far the best tank for affix
For a reason pwar is the one tanking them in 5 tanks
So the mob barely heals
If he as pwar is getting 1 shot
I thought that was because nom and late are aggro whores ๐
shouldn't have had, but it clearly did cuz we are now talking about it
Its because mob barely heals on pwar
Re-read the comments though their complaint is about having to pay attention to each cast now
i mean, then again, im not were close to attempting 31 keys also
a +31 key that isn't considered standard and doesn't give appropriate gear and rewards is a key im never doing
if keys only ever went up to 40 or whatever they go to now max
and they didn't drop lvl 31 loot
Is it baiting you
i'd never do a +31
Yes.
ever
Yogi I think you can do a +31

More than me
someone in here calculated exact key i would need, did that, exactly 2001 score for mount, stopped playing warrior ever since that date

i get very laser focused on goal thingy

no matter what kinda cheese i gotta do
Does 31 continue the same trend as the levels before and give 20% drop chance to a 6th item?
Or is the 5th item a hard cap
Always
Yogi'Saron
if you complete a 25-40 key (assuming 40 is hard cap) and you do it on time, you should have a more % chance of mount drops
im just sayin
Smh
Don't judge me.
I got a clown next to my name.
Or screaming TAUNT TAUNT TAUNT
in bfa for my group of 3 friends (warrior dk paladin, ninja all the plate and weapons and trade it with eachother) was common practice to yell out "purple/green" for the purple green swirls of 8.2
cuz, other wise i wouldn't pay attention and stand in purple swirl and go kaboom
our paladin one key, I REQUIRE TAUNTING
good morning you cuties
you should fix your watch, cutie
just coming through to remind a certain someone about a WA thing COUGH @strong forum COUGH get out of 
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well ufo's are big rigs, that come from outerspace (cuz you cant be american without believing in aliens imo)
i read bbq and was sold
Sure, I'll get to it maybe on Sunday

cant u just update the load rules urself?
Just an idea at the top of my head would be adding another trigger
i have been
BTW
i just cant figure out why it doesnt like parent's load settings
yea
It doesn't work if it's just class
A stupid fix could probably also just be tying it to ignore pain or smth
Ykno, class + spec + ignore pain
Wait wth is that damage
It's legion
Ohh
I was very confused
well, putting the class/spec in load settings under the rage bar has worked for all this time
i mean since i got the WA a month ago
Did you update the addon itself
yea
Ya then idk
thats what i have to do every time
well, after every aura update i mean heh
it is just a minor inconvenience tbh
But it does work ye?
so vers increases damage and healing, does that mean it gets extra benefit with the fueled by violence talent? by increasing the damage done by deep wounds, and then increasing the healing it does?
yeah all of it works fine its not a showstopper
Vers does not increase healing done by self healing abilities
Idk if it interacts with fbv, but it doesn't work on stuff like indomitable and impending victory for example
It double dips with leech for example, so it could double dip with fbv aswell
usually wowhead indicates what percentage of vers is added in the talent pages, it doesnt for fbv
directed a redeemed
did they remove that shield wall protects allys aswell ?
i cant seem to find the talent i thought i had it
yes
Ye
did they change any other talents aswell?
sidearm was moved.
This is a blessing you simply cannot comprehend.
+1 I will take anger management every time fuck you

Maybe if your not taking Avatar.. but then.. Why not take avatar?
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lol
avatar better with UW Immovable object ๐
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this conversation confuses me
why did we go from talking about party shield wall to literal mandatory talents
i hope so
asmon gold doing prot talents right now
o
who?
who, loll
i mean tbf asmon's editors are gods amongst men
He should have yogi on
im going to see what he thinks...
but it goes without saying hes not to be followed when it comes to talent advice lmao
so far build
if only the man wasn't an absolute monkey when it comes to actually learning things
he was bladestorm for raids with fury before prepatch, and there's a lot of really obvious glaring mistakes
but hes entertaining at least
He also does half the dps of other dps players whenever he tries ๐คทโโ๏ธ
if he was good at wow he wouldnt be as popular ๐
the guy literally has dudes lining up to trade him mounts and gold
yeah that's fair as well
What does that have to do with his dps ability
Didnโt he use to be decent back in the day?
Who cares?
he can just get carried through any content
Havenโt really followed what he is doing much.
hes a decent player, he just does his act
Nah not anymore
hes def not terrible
He definitely is
he dies alot to raids and has zero clue whats going on in these new raids
playing prot btw
He's not playing to be good
lol
That should be obv to anyone
right
He's playing to entertain. That's what he does for a living
he's not taking devestator
His clips channel on YouTube is amazing though. Donโt care how he plays wow really.
Ofc
tbf, itโs not easy to entertain and focus on playing optimally
yeah his editors are amazing
He's an entertainer
Devastate Enjoyers
An excellent one at that
Yep he is not try-harding, not that it matters either way. Not like Asmon purports to be a guide
ill allow it
That's why he likely makes more money than everyone in this channel combined
yah so we go in and we kill the boss and nobody dies and i get the sword okay? also healers i think you have to despell on this fight too maybe?
of course
besides, hes gonna give us a lot of roast targets in the coming weeks if he keeps yolo picking talents
and this is a good thing ๐
anyone have a decent victory rush wa? I can't find any standalone ones
do u need one?
no, I'd just like to know if I have it lmfao
but why
rip indelible victory
pugs are rough, and sometimes the healer dies lmfao
but if its inpending u always have it
ok thats fair
u dont need to wait for a kill
it resets on death still
you can make one with templetes in like 4 button presses i think
I have zero experience, but I'll spend some time looking it up lmfao
It's probably not hard
I prefer inedible victory
there's some easy to follow templates when creating an aura, they should be enough honestly
but feel free to ask if you're stuck creating it
I would try this asmo build
are the profession tools that have stats intended to be "always on" . For example, Seths fishing pole with 310 stamina?
so , question cause i kinda spaced out yesterday. is bloodsurge still really worth it or is instigate better now even in AoE ?
bloodsurge only worth not picking for ST
Itโs also very easy to test. Just log a key and compare dot ticks to devastator hits.
didnt someone yesterday say that surge would still be 80% more rage than instigate in his key?
are we using execute?
a key is in general not ST
pulls can be smaller or bigger depending on dungeon
so the argument is whether it still retains value on smaller pack dungeons
It does.
Temple is a relatively low mob count dungeon in many pulls and bloodsurge gave me 1300 rage vs instigator would have given me 760
it probably will boil down to
raid vs keys
and raids being single target bosses, not cleavefests
Is it though? Most pulls have over 5 mobs
Even if its just smallies
There's like 3 pulls in whole key that are 2-3 mobs, rest is 5+
Which other dungeons have much smaller pulls?
Ideally you wouldnโt wanna do any of those packs solo though.
Let me find a halls and see
They're all limited by kicks
The fenryr section doesn't count cuz lmao
Those mobs dont do anything anyway
they MOOO a lot
And especially at odyn bloodsurge will suck massively
Half the key is spent 1-2mob gaming up there
1265 vs 900 for a halls with small pulls inside
What are the important pulls?
Bosses
Trash is literally irrelevant in that key
You have 5 bosses
And 4 minibosses
They're gonna be the deal breakers
And instigate massively outperforms on those
I got 835 rage in HoV 15 fort from bloodsurge
1st big pull is BL
Vs 841 melee hits
next big pull on pugs is like wolves
Wolves you don't big pull
is HoV the only outlier?
Cuz they will wipe your group
fucking squishy specs
Legit inting if you pull more than 3 wolves
hold my beer
didn't they nerf them?
Idk the streams I've seen it's always 3-4 people dying on wolves
When they pull 2 packs of em
Wolves are changed
is this like the dumb wasps in academy?
No more group damage but they murder the tank now
i cant fucking remember those wolves during legion
wasps are "fine" nowadays
Yeah wasps are ok
Big bears and wolves pulls are now super sketch for the tank.
Bears is abt dropping the debuff via kiting
I'm pretty sure we gonna pull bears and wolves skip the stupid trash and have fun xD
I've not had issues with the bears
Wolves is just straight up nukes
If you pull 8 of them it stacks up
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smh my head
And wolves didn't do anything either
im waiting on cross faction guilds to fucking go back to alliance
How many did you pull?
Pull 3 packs of wolves on a 15+ fort and tell me they do nothing
With rage gen being lower are you guys still taking barbaric
Dumb pull is not fine, more news at 11
No
Not on beta
Alright that's what I figured
In retail yes cuz banner
Yeah speaking beta
They donโt leap on group members anymore so as long as you can live they are fine.
The rage loss sucks
Yup, sucks big time
Worst way to nerf a spec is via resources
Agreed ๐ญ๐ญ
I thought we'd see some tuning to do and bear this week
Like on my dk and I have jailer mace mythic level so I get that is carrying a bit but my dps and survivability as a dk is insane
Not that Warrior is bad just weird to nerf
I've played Warrior for 18 years and it still sucks ๐คท๐ฝโโ๏ธ
I like they start m+ testing on Thursday now.
No I didn't mean Warrior sucks
game sucked in s1, that's a whole different story
I was responding to your comment of rerollers
I love my warrior just wish they wouldn't have nerfed resource gen is all
s1 was fine. warriors represented, nerftank was running.. s2-s3 is when we dissapeared
2-3 weeks of prepatch to comment on a rage gen nerf is kinda weird
We did fine more then just s4 but yeah. I've been playing beta a few months now so playing with it and then not there is a difference.
that's why i said game sucked, not warriors
well i unsubbed at the end of s1, so i cant comment on anything in between
but resubbed a week after s4 started, and i didnt have a lot of problems
geared up from s1 gear and smashed 20s easier (and faster) than any other season as a matter of fact
Absolutely and I apologize if my above question/comments made you feel like I was trashing warriors. Just playing on beta with bloodsurge at 15% to now at 7% just felt crappy is all. I'll still be playing Warrior they are great ๐
I multi class every tank I was only comparing the tuning they made to dk vs Warrior.
How so
They nerfed resource gen for Warrior and straight damage albeit small damage nerfs coupled with less damage due to less rage. For dk they increased their dps and they have resource glut (strictly speaking beta currently)
so my thought was we'd see some adjustments this week for bear and dk
They could just be wanting more data
To be honest I donโt feel rage issues on beta outside very very far in between cases.
You don't notice the lack of rage gen from bloodsurge or you strictly mean you're just not having issues waiting to build rage to use Rev or ip?
arent we going to be scaling disgustingly well with haste too? I mean more so than ever since it has cascading effects on our rage generation
see that's the part that doesnt add up
like it feels only people that just picked up warrior would say that since they got used to 2 weeks of swimming in rage
Definitely but so will other tanks that value haste
Why would they changed bear and dk
Only thing about bear is the healing talent
I'm not going to debate that I've been on beta for more then 2 weeks lol. But anyway my point wasn't that it's bad by any means.
They stated they would adjust after the 40% increase to hp pool / damage. So my thought was we'd see some tuning this week and blood and bear are only ones tuned up.
Like brm could use some small tweaks also
it cause those are the tanks that dont have heals that scale with HP
Correct
ok so im confused
BDKs can now Dual Weild Guardian Druids
Yeah either them brought down somewhat or maybe brm brought up a little for survability their dps is obviously tops.

Why would you nerf bear
It makes no sense
The healing they're doing is insane
Yep
Yeah so that's what I'd expect to see but they could just want more data
well, we dont know for a fact, but it's disgusting so if blizzard ignores it then they are smoking some big rocks... but blizzard is blizzard
Agreed lol
and things like these have happened
Yeah absolutely not a question. I think tank balance overall is amazing though
I do feel a lot weaker on the brm but a lot of that is a skill issue on my part
btw can someone correct me, but LoT is only available in normal mode right?
Yep
i see, thanks
Any time still solid xmog and 278 gear!
easier to get my alts in
Yup lol
can i pull the shrouded mobs in grimrail through the wall before 1st boss?
as a prot war
Sure
just dont be in front of the gate
jump and heroic throw
do i use rend in any case?

if you stand by the wall to the left of the gate you dont even have to jump
im used to jumping
its just counterintuitive to stand in front of the solid object instead of the door with holes
throw should be 0-40 yards. drives me nuts. bears moonfire is 0-40 and can hit behind them
I play prot paladin, prot warrior, and BRM and feel sort of the same about brew right now... I'm not going to play Brew in DF to start, but might consider WW or maybe just wait until things are tuned more.
Yeah I am still half expecting some tuning to Monk even MW feels weird to play based on watching my wife play it anyway.
mw strong as f
You think so?
Damage seems lower considering they are doing melee damager as part of their kit.
Then when big burst damage comes out they're having to smash vivify
and then go oom
I think BRM could use some more self-sustain buttons, or something like the SL 4 piece bonus but tuned down a bit..
maybe not more buttons, actually ๐
more?
anyone have problem with evokers in keys? I gather packs together, and suddednly I am without aggro whe evokers starts bursting
more buttons lol
more self sustain, less buttons ๐
like
they probably outgear you
brew needs small tuning
that's it
and players to turn on the brain
that's the big issue of brew
they lost brain with 4p
no, they had 261ilvl, I have 265, but they had 60-70k dps on first spell lol
I saw an evoker with 311 gear like... hours after you could create one. wtf
Yeah I think they just need to readjust the vivify nerf and the sos nerf
They did that pre 40% tuning
max insta cleared all 3 fated mythic raid last night so it shouldn't be a surprise to you
I'd like to see vivify and word of glory get some buffs
non-% based tank heals were mentioned in the recent wowhead interview so I bet there will be some tweaks there
Yeah the fated raids are a joke for ppl who have actually been clearing them
especially with 3 affixes
- they are after all nerfs
indeed
indubitably
Especially with 4. Having sub 50 second kill times even with pugs alone is insane
After the Wildfire range increased to 12 yards (was 8 yards) and its healing by 400%.
uhhh
thats the old one right?
oh it is
wait no, wasnt it 800%?
and its 600% now
yeah i dont think that's recent
my buddies are dumb and late
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Pretty neat having 270 evokers spike 100k dps on big pulls and rip entire packs off me
a) do more damage b) challenging shout is inline with their cds and you're forced to take it
c) fuck em, lol
nerf the brand new class because of an irrelevant two week prepatch period imo
there is only so much you can do to keep aggro, if they still rip aggro consistently it's their problem
just wait for 5 sunders
There were a few classes that would rip threat dh pre adjustment and evoker otherwise I personally haven't had an issue.
A lot of times it's misplay on my part though.
But challenging shout does wonders when that happens
Their new baby is overpowered? Never seen that before.......*looks at wotlk classic
It's great to have an aoe taunt but I hate that it's on gcd we already have like 5 globals to press on each opener
Fuck em
In either ions or Morgan days interview yesterday it is on their radar to make sure tanks aren't having threat issues so I'd like to be optimistic that it won't be an issue.
Theyd just give us a flat % buff to threat gen.... Again
Id rather be given more damage lmao
Yeah i believe what they've been doing it is tying it to player power ie: renown and since there is none they said they are figuring out how to adjust it season after season.
Imo if tank threat is an issue just aura buff all tank damage by like 10-15%, make us do more dam not just more threat
yes yes, i know all tanks want to do dps damage and also never die
Yeah make tanks pop tf off it's lame when tank dam is low and they have the entire weight of the group on their shoulders
Let us pop off while having huge responsibilities
most dps specs are much harder to play well than tanking well
I disagree but that's a fair opinion there are dps specs that are difficult to optimise but I think that goes for tanks too in the sense of routing, cooldown usage and positioning not so much rotation tho
I also think healers should do big dam
idk... playing range dps is like... a joke, its easy AF
playing "well" for a lot of dps relies on tanks playing well for them, with pull sizing and timing and movement
its not hard to hit combust on a mage, its hard to line it up with pulls if your tank pulls small only
I agree 100%
only thing i could agree with that's easier for tanks is your floor is lower, people notice bad dps, if a tank plays poorly but still doesn't die no one notices
Say playing your dps rotation perfectly will give you like 30-40% dps over someone playing it normally, having a tank playing optimally will literally double your overall dps
Yep it's easy to spot a bad dps doing low numbers but more difficult to spot a bad tank when they can just pull small, not die and time a weekly 15 ez
yall chill i was just saying its neat for a dps 30 ilvls under me to pull entire packs off me with 1 ability

I meant it will double your dps's overall
Probably 1 good evoker for every 10 shitheads
The new age we've entered
Class is still very fresh a lot probably havnt checked any guides amongst other things and are just having fun
Experimenting aswell
It's actually a good thing I think because it's forcing people to recognize that the button exists
yeah this is a good point
When they get called out
as a rdruid main usually im seething they get their interrupt in a good line of talents
Druid is a mess
My holy paladin is dancing they're so happy to have access to it again
it really is. Still the hps numbers pump absurdly well but we still get 5 GCDs of ramp
I called the "we're too lazy to fix this so here's an aura buff" the week before they did it
It's kinda like leaving a Rubik's cube with 2 sides still scrambled
Feral and boomkin are good 2/3 ain't bad...what do you mean druids have 4 specs?
feral still suffers from existing anytime boomie is remotely viable
Feral is actually fun at the moment, and nah, feral suffers more from WW being good than boomkin because the people who play boomkin when they're op are the rerollers to warlock and mage
I mean more, for the people that dont really chase the meta as far as gearing new classes, why play melee if a ranged spec is equal or better?
feral is giga fun, i love it, but i'd still go boomie in m+ everytime
What I am stoked for is fury/feral/healer. First expac playing warrior cuz my groups tank wants a break
i dont play it though
i just love me some feral group mates
oh no
am i gonna have to bait again
You won't be fury atall, once you're a shieldbrick it's hard to go to anything else
most ranged specs feel ass to me, all my faves are melee outside of a few
favorite healers are mw/hpal too
fire mage is my one big exception but it's so much harder than the others
Whats the fastest way to level atm ghash - invasions or questing/dung spam
Did the mastery stacking ignite build die?
quest till 45ish
I'm not the right person to ask because I intentionally started threads on all my toons so I could use it
Dungeons are never the fastest way to level though, unless it's one of the like 10 people who can still do Freehold boosting
I've been averaging about an hour 50-60 with my route. I've seen a lot of claims about invasion leveling but no one has actually shown me /played times for invasions
this was my fastest one so far, which was a bear
60lvl boost in shop/from deluxe edition
This guy is actually correct LOL
Full disclosure, I did actually use my DF boost on one of these toons
Nah i want kul tiran heritage
And mechagnome dk is 50
Think i boosted that but ill level another
I made a highmountain outlaw rogue, that looks amazing
Cowmooflage
Is that his name? ๐
I memed it hard
Always
This is Huntmaster Huntmaster and his trusty shank-wielding crab McCrabberton
Haha amazing
What talent (that's not overkill) will help for high up keep of shield block?
All of them except bolster and shield charge reprisal talent - you can keep 100% uptime without those 2
Would you recommend Heavy Repuircussions over into the fray? Im not going to play with a leggo
atm i play ITF because i want the extra damage, but HR is better for higher SB uptime
and fwiw all of the builds in the pins show HR
Yes - nome has the math breakdown of why hr is better, just run hr
awesome sauce thanks, blindy copy pasta'd the wowhead build
There is some points you can shift around for your needs
Depending on what you are doing
yea i suppose the extra rage is nice anyways as well plus you dont always get max ITF
Outburst also doubles that extra rage so its pretty big
Just make your group play all melee
ez full uptime on max itf
5 tank meta
this is the way
Old news
ez pz
How is pwar guys? We still kicking?
sir we have pummel, not kick. That's rogues.
Mb mb xD
But yes, we're gods among men
We're not like........ very clearly busted but we're looking good, all the tanks are
Nice, torn between pwar and bdk
Neither is a bad choice right now
Im stuck between dh and bdk because I also want to push m+ and pvp
Well i mostly do m+. Is any of those two better for m+ atm?
bdk and pvp
hmmm
all tanks are good
DH is usually a more consistent bet for PvP from what I remember, but it's always up to the whims of Blizz, so
I've heard some vague opinions that prot warrior is looking maybe the best for m+ but no one really knows anything right now and tuning isn't even done
was pretty eh for s1/s2 of sl tbh
Obviously for the os Iโm not guna bdk arenas
thats totally feelycrafting
without any value to it
i think it's reasonably fair to say that our toolkit does look good for m+ but pushing is always tuning dependent
the best atm for dragonflight is whatever does the most damage since i haven't heard anyone say "yo i'm gettin' splapped" as a tank yet, only dps and heals getting splapped
this 252 vendor trinket pumps
this has changed like every week tho
So for anything we care about, we ain't finding out until M+ proper comes out
blizz could, if they so desired, just cripple all tanks that aren't DH, or DK, or whatever. it is, in fact, within their ability to do so
this isnt always the case though - damage is only a part of tanking - take mobility, mitigation, group utility - and if it was based on damage alone pwar would be bottom
and monk would be on top
yeah but
the main thing i heard last stopping groups was DPS and Heals getting just blasted by the mobs
so, like
tank utility or anything isn't stopping any of that
can't stun a boss
can only intervene so many people
for pwar sure, take darkness/ams/bop/ability to heal other t anks
thats worth more to a tank than damage
in those situations
party wall made pwar op and so far infront, now its gone all tanks have strengths and weak points making 'meta' very difficult to place
like
they're still dying last i heard
i ain't in beta so i can't check
but if they're dying through those, still, it doesn't matter
I still don't care, though, because the tuning's going to be adjusted still, plus the builds on Blizz's backends that we likely haven't seen yet
Any tank is dying last
asking whats meta currently is like asking for a solved puzzle thats missing pieces
I've not even remotely asked that
infact its more like we have 6 puzzles and jumbled and there is a handful of pieces missing
no end pic to look at and someone asking whats the best one
was more a general reply to above discussion not you directly
You mean a bunch of pieces missing and it was stored in a candy land box
correct while also redisigning the original pics in the first place
this guy has 8 cc breaks on barghast shades and is complaining people arent ccing it
hows everyone else's night going?
most mechanically proficient LFR player
Is anyone else finding damage is way way up in Upper Kara?
I know the new scaling is supposedly in
Just seems that Medivh's damage is in excess even accounting for the increased scaling
Piercing missiles nearly killing me through shield wall
+22
Yep off the rip
One goes to Gorgrond, ones goes to Mechagon, and one goes to Karazhan
I can't imagine they wouldn't do portals again.
Yeah they have to do portals of some kind. People would riot.
yeah remember we are going to have a 40% increase to our health at level 70
To account for the 40% increased damage in dungeons
i would imagine its coded as we gain 4% more hp per level
they removed the additional hp from cov/renown and made it move speed
instead of a flat 40% jump from 69-70
They already have them on beta
there's new dungeon scaling on live?? that might explain why my other tanks getting wrecked
yes the new df scaled for m+ is being used
Yes, the DF per level increase is already in the game
war too stronk
going to run my 22 wshop tonight and kill some dps with the slimes
my favorite game
oozes or whatever they are
i always called it junk/yard and work/shop
When you see DM whats it mean for you yogi
like the slas to mean or so id always say +15 junk or 15 yard, whatevers moat easy to remember at time
i still get lost in and wipe to dire maul
so its always dead mines for me
ill let you guys in on secret, its always been more fun game with good friends
Dire Maul is in my top 3 contenders list for worst dungeon Blizzard ever made
even its some guy half way across world and you never really speak to them know them
M+ season with original sunken temple when
IS annhyldes aegis really that good
If your pushing high level keys are you mainly in defensive stance or still staying in battle stance?
has there been any nerfs to spell reflect in M+ during wow's history?
or has blizzard usually ignored it in dungeon content? cause I know they've nerfed it in raid scenarios (ghuun)
Is there a spell reflect dungeon list out for DF yet
Do we not use rend for spreading AoE bleeds on packs? Doesn't mention it at all in the WoWhead guide but I am finding it fun to do in game
and effective
Yeah that's what I mean
the wowhead guide doesnt mention the use of rend at all though
Right because it should say Thunderclap which applys rend.
You wouldn't use Rend since Thunderclap applys it and the rotation should say to Thunderclap.
Yep!
I haven't been prot since cata, i remember you needed to use ST rend first
They changed that a bit back
i kind of liked that tho, felt powerful
on beta
You're probably the only warrior in history to say that
dayum
with the executes buffs, do we ever press execute or just spending with revenge still?
well, in ST you press execute instead of revenge
I felt it pretty hard on 22 upper kara
execute buffs? ๐
Conceptually, I like it, but it doesn't fit in the current state of the game
revenge on 2T+
I'd like the idea conceptually if it was rending on a main target and then like...thunderclapping to send shrapnel or something from that target to the others. But to just apply a bleed, it's really lame.
No, but you can tell in logs if you are being hit in the back
Go to damage taken, click on melee, go to events, and click on shield block in the aura filter. Any event in that list that doesn't have a (B:xxx) next to it is a hit in the back
Let me clarify actually. Any event that isn't a parry, miss, or dodge, and doesn't have (B:xxx) next to it is a hit in the back*
@ionic fern HI ILY IT'S MY FRIDAY
Hows prot warrior looking for dragomflight? Last I played was the last raid in bfa. It felt fun auto popping avatar with all the short cd thunderclaps. Is it a similar playstyle going into df?
Loo, that's good to hear. I'll have to try mine out again
Minus the charge weaving. Cuz f that
Charge weaving is still generally good in situations when it's feasible... it's just not a big pile of power every time
free rage never bad!
hey guys ๐ has anyone thought about good profesions for warriors in df?
quick question: if I am in combat stance and apply a bleed on my target, does it apply the -10%dmg on current bleed if I swap into def stance right after the application? in other words: is the -10% dmg from def stance dynamic?
everythings dynamic, no snapshots
we are always staying in def right ? except when we are offtanking
Not in pre-patch, no
Not even in df
Hey folks, how is Prot looking for control over its own survivability? Does it have healing self-sustain? And does it have good tools for snap threat?
I mean, I'm sure eventually in DF you would use defensive stance.
Yes on high keys and during tank busters in raid
Even on mythic bosses bstance is alright if you switch accordingly
Nhc and hc are bstance only
I mean its just 3% crit isnt it
and you get the 10% dmg back from def stance yes .. I dont know .. I would rather be more tanky but I guess I will try
there are no stance required skills right
Yea but 10% dmg is 10% dmg
Do you need it? No
Is it better to have more dmg? Yep
yes I know but I hate all that "tanks have to squish out every dps point even if it costs tankiness" same thing for healers "dps talents > heal talents"
I would rather have permanent less dmg taken in keys than a 1min faster key
Taking less damage in a key won't help time the key unless you would've died otherwise. Going 1 minute faster might be the difference between timing the key and not timing the key.
It's time-based content. It should seem logical that you want everyone providing as much damage as possible while performing their role.
if you are playing higher keys where time actually matters it is even more likely that you will die without def stance I was talking about trash 15s where tankiness doesnt even matter and still would take the def stance rather than battle
Time matters in 15s just as much as it does in high keys. Have you never failed to time a +15? Or just barely timed a +15?
And if tankiness doesn't matter, then why would you lose damage to be MORE tanky?
maybe in week 1 of season while being undergeared and with couple wipes, but no
I suppose if you really think you're going to need the defensive help, you can just go into defensive stance when you need it and swap out for when you don't
So every pug you've ever been in has been successful?
yes that true, im not saying you shouldnt go into battle stance, its just my personal thing to stay in def
well if you're not pugging then it doesn't matter to anyone except your team
I hate it too. Imo, tank should tank, healer should heal and dps do damage. Blizzard should buff dps damages, nerf healer/tank damage and here we go
So I was hoping to get an answer for this atm, trying to decide what tank I want to play. I played Blood before prepatch and it was okay, but looking for something a bit more fun
Pwar doesnt really need self-healing cause you are much "tank & spank". You use CD to reduce damage income. But if really needed you have a 30s cd (victory) to heal 20% hp instant
Ye, 30%. Thanks for correction
but nerfs to numbers wont change the attitude, it still the same: be tanky enough to dont die, and make as much dmg as you can for tanks, heal folks so they dont die and make as much dmg as you can for healers
it doesnt matter whether you are doing 50% of dps dmg or 10%, attitude stays same
Like yeah okay, no one has the same opinion of fun.. I just mean those qualities I mentioned in my OP are what I consider fun
Hence why I asked my questions the way I did.
Itโs sad that the focus shifted so much to โmoar dpsโ for Tank and heal
You probably right, player mind > game balance
Especially for heal, not enjoying that aspect
Pwar is like "If you take less damage than you have to receive less heal"
Yup, i can understand the tank damage cause at a certain point tank couldn't be more tanky, but for healers, eh...
Good luck holding threat off of anything if they nerf tank damage. Our damage is our threat so...
they cant heal ppl to more than 100% (except absorbs)
Yeap but in somes groups, healers lets drop hp so low to gain some dps
Does it need to be like that? Just using an ability could generate threat regardless of damage
Ye you're right. But anyway, there is no solution cause the "tank&healers do damage" is a min-max only option to do faster everything
<.<..
It could, but then threat would have to become brainless and something you don't even think about.
and why its actually a problem that tanks and healers focus also on doing dmg?
When I play my heal, I donโt want to care about dps
Tanks need to do damage because most people find damage fun and if you take that away, you take away people playing tanks because it's just not fun.
On tank itโs w/e
So don't do damage then. No one is forcing you to cast damage spells
?
Be like the pug healers who just afk in between heals
How is it forced? Flash heal doesn't do damage, healing surge doesn't do damage
The game is actually struggling having tank player xD
Yeah, so how much worse would it be if tanking wasn't fun
Yup and it was like that since years so...
You'd have the three people in this conversation tanking, and everyone else would be playing DPS
But in some way, blizzard forced it with somethings like tierset damage bonus for example
Okay just to humor you, what would your idea of a tier set bonus be?
If it doesn't increase damage, what would it do?
What else do you want todo tho as a tank. Gotta spam your abtilies anyway
Or so you want to go back to the 1 skill every 24 secs
But as i said, i hate the mindset "tank&healers have to do damage" but i understand it cause it a way to do faster run. But sometimes, tanks have more dps than dps (exemple of bears in s4 with venthyr spells doing stupid damage xD)
Thats prepatch
Actually, the tierset of pwar in DF is kinda good and not very damage focused
And tanks never have more dps than dps
i talk before prepatch
The tier sets of every spec in DF are lame as fuck because they're tier 1 sets
what would a healer do if there is no dmg incoming?
/sleep?
Both the 2 set and 4 set either increase damage or reward you for doing more damage
If u play with good dps then no, but ive had many runs where i outdmged dpsers
Yes but thatโs on shit players, not on the dps role
Thats with cheese tho isnt it ?
But yes, s3/4 ( and many others ) are perfect example that tanks can do same or more than a competent dps
my friend...
if the dps is competent that's not gonna happen lmao
Even in best groups tanks arent realy behind and sometimes ahead , and those are very competent players so..
see image above

that was a 5 tank group
How much without trogg boss pad 
:kekw
Nice
no pad allowed
25k
Who am i to believe
Same. Ethical hard dps stop at exactly 40 chaotic motes killed.
I would not believe a dh main
Idk based on their pfp i think they are a bear?
Hi do you ever use rend in your rotation as prot ?
I see in most of the builds you pick rend but dont see any guide useing it in the rotation :S
Check the pins
I Have but cant find any info on it
------------Rend------------
How does Blood and Thunder work?
With Blood and Thunder and Rend Rend talented, Thunderclap sense automatically applies Rend to all target it hits.
- No you dont need Rend Rend on your bars
Well considering cro went venthyr just to have brand for trogg pad, im the more believeable person ๐
Funnel!
Not pad, funnel!
You have no funnel
Ofc i do
No
Yes
๐
Also why would anyone care about damage in jy

I don't care about damage rankings as per-se.
I just care that all my rankings look the same color.
Too mixed.

what does those images mean?
Bigger number better player
And at some point it becomes "Bigger number better padder".

Yeah
day 2 is for cowards who aren't dedicated enough to really parse
is impenetrable wall considered a must have because of the +3rage on Shield Slam? or is it something we can consider skipping
as we dont really seem to need the shield wall cd reduction even in 20s i've seen on beta from a dmg taken perspective
so you would consider this a must pick because of rage gen?
Si
alright, appreciate the answer
Because of Bloodsurge nerf we will prob weave in shield slams even in big pulls, right?
Didn't play since the nerfs went live and I was wondering because before I was able to just Thunder Clap and Revenge
Yes, you're less likely now to stop casting SS in aoe
Thanks
Only really found first pull in HOV and tree boss in AA to be places you could just send tc an revenge and for those not even 100% of the time.
do stances still have threat modifiers? or can I sneakily stay in battle stance for more damage and blame the healers when I die ๐
No threat changes
Actually you'll have more threat in b-stance cuz you'll do 14% more dmg 
just what I wanted to hear 
And I generally don't recommend sitting in d-stance needlessly
Still strange to me, this will take time to get used to it
d-stance is reserved for before a big tankbuster or a higher damage key?
its really just a CD now that you can use for DR when you need it and then go back to B stance and do damage
Ah, got it ๐ I'll have to figure out when it's necessary
During tyrannical boss hits or maybe some mongo pulls on fort? Idk I havenโt used it yet
Wirldwin is 360
Yeah but if mobs are hitting your back your doing something wrong
Only 5 remain 
I dont see evoker on that list
Should just boost the evoker to 60
How many do you gear further than just dinging 60?
Well there's bot really time to gear them
True didnโt read you still had 5
I have like 6ish toons that are 290+ though
The other 5 will be done tonight but I gotta sleep ๐ด
What.
I'm still 285 on my 1 char.
Wtf
Not leveling from invasions? Thats a full 252 set
@jagged pier sorry if that call actually went through. I had my phone in my hand while I was trying to unlock my door and somehow managed to call you
Nah I have a pretty solid route that I'm doing in threads that takes me about an hour
Easy and consistent
Yeah but to gear characters you actually have to you know log in
And play the current expansion and not ptr or beta
Stealing this the next time a girl doesn't pick up
see honestly i'll probably end up stop playing pwar cuz of d/b stance
i'll start to fuck up on which one i'm using vs supposed to be using and will just be another indicator of badness
That seems like a big hand eye coordination problem
gunna be getting a new better keyboard in a few days because the one i have now isn't the best
mechanical and light up, yeah, but non hotswappable and outemu's..... blaarrgggh, not very good
Why would d stance and b stance be the reason you stop pwar? Itโs just another cd to use
just unbind dstance and you cant fuck up ๐
Just get a big ass wa that tells u ur stance
mine only reminds me if im not in a stance or if im in dstance
Or just pull the bandaid off and donโt be pwar instead of saying you might not
any idea why 2 robots in LFR gaurdian would go off at exact same time?









