protection

[strong forum]

Alright no bullying

[prisma crane]

sense of humor

i'll play prot regardless of if it's good or not

i just like the spec

could just be lack of wanting change and stockholm syndrome as well, who knows lol

[storm merlin]

smashing a dummy for hours is how you get feelycrafty

[prisma crane]

aint nobody got time for that, just yolo into some dungeons

[odd tree]

100%, lfr and low keys are best for learning new specs

not doing mechanics when you're on a target dummy

tho they have their uses

[misty moth]

I just learn a new spec by leveling a new character or something. More fun than smashing a target dummy

[prisma crane]

on that ^ note, this is why i hate boosting a character that isnt a class i already know

couldnt feel more over my head

[queen latch]

yeah boosting a character is awful for then trying to learn it

[odd tree]

just boosted a mage to try out fire

[queen latch]

just a billion buttons thrown at you at once

[odd tree]

still learning, but i got a grasp on the rotation

or lack there of, its just all procs

[prisma crane]

yea i fucked around with an evoker yesterday, feels like most of their rotation is CDs

[chilly ermine]

guys, how good is the tank trinket from the new uldaman?

[odd tree]

just got my evoker out of the starting zone, going to try some dungeons tonight

hear their aoe is decent

[odd tree]

have yet to look at drops. also, isn't ulda in s2? not sure if a heroic trinket will hold up long once raid and m+ drops

nome did mention that s2 has better gear for us...

[junior trench]

Trinket seems pretty ass

[edgy widget]

hellou, guys, there is any macro for stance switch? or i need two binds for then, thanks for the help

[solid sun]

There's a pin that shows the macro

[edgy widget]

Thanks

[tardy gazelle]

do you plan to level through dragonflight as prot?

[mighty valley]

yes

but i level with my wife, a rogue

[solid sun]

Yap

[mighty valley]

so i just pull everything and she kill

[slow token]

In m+ should we be using both defensive and battle stance ?

[oak echo]

default to battle until you need the DR to survive

[limpid pawn]

Does immovable object also trigger the group shield wall?

[oak echo]

it used to with the talent before it got removed..not sure on the lego though

[limpid pawn]

I’m so sad they got rid of the talent

I hard carried healers pretty much last 4 weeks because of it, it’s glorious

Will be v sad come dragonflight

[oak echo]

yes and no. like is it good? yeah for sure. but it was too good with how it interacted with immovable

[limpid pawn]

I didn’t use immovable which is why I was asking, I used unstoppable force

But combined with the wall Lego effect it’s godly still

[bold furnace]

i've been running seismic leggo..lol

[outer thorn]

I levelled a warr with no covenant or leggo just to get that untainted feel

[bold furnace]

havent really tried the wall lego

just dropped reprisal bc i was having no problem with shieldblock uptime without it

[velvet elbow]

Actually loved having group utility for the 3 days I was able to use it

Hurts to see it gone instead of balanced

[prisma crane]

^

i feel like there's multiple ways to 'adjust' things and blizzard often chooses the easier rather than the better

[ocean bloom]

some mechanics just arnt worth tuning

[river fractal]

trying to determine the most viable / easiest fated raid spec is proving....well its choice paralazysi

[pale roost]

are prot one of the worse tanks now due to nerfs?

[sick sentinel]

been told "it's fine" no idea if its copium or not

[mighty valley]

outside of bears who just got overbuffed, we're looking like maaaaaaaybe the best for M+, fine for raid but don't really bring anything super unique

tuning is still going on, the tanks are overall close together, brew is probably the worst

play the one you like best

[strong forum]

all tanks are very much in line now

pwar is on the safer side of things defensively

but doesnt stand out too much anymore tbh

[mellow quartz]

Battleshout and rally?

[mighty valley]

dps wars bring those

[uneven mason]

There was more nerfs?

[mellow quartz]

More rally more better

[strong forum]

no, still the same ones from last week

[uneven mason]

Oh ok

[mellow quartz]

Everyone might not have a dps warrior 🤷‍♂️

[uneven mason]

Yeah idk I guess not being able to solo a m+ boss and 40 adds at once would make us pretty bad

[uneven mason]

Good thing for protection fury and arms are limp noodle right now

[hollow token]

yeah? and they're fighting for melee... youre a tank

[sick sentinel]

all possiblities are open to me now

[hollow token]

i swear i hear every class/spec say this shit....

[sick sentinel]

can do any spec am set up for any spec any faction

[mighty valley]

i'm just talking about how rwf raiders are currently evaluating tanks

prot war is good, just not above and beyond for prog raiding

[uneven mason]

In a raid setting warriors are really impressive ATM

Big reductions on single ability tankbuster is literally our jam

[mellow quartz]

If WW and havoc does good dam then warrior brings more with rally than brew and vdh though.

[mighty valley]

feels like people think i'm dooming or something haha, tanks are very close, i just think we shine more in m+ than raid as is

[hollow token]

So you're basing your decision to play a tank based on a RWF opinion?

[mighty valley]

i literally

just said this

there is no realistic tuning state on planet earth that could make me play any other tank

[uneven mason]

If you get into the grit, tank choices frequently rely on what the fight warrants, if there is a mobility req vdh and warriors will be there

[hollow token]

tank balance is about as good as it's been

play what you want

[mighty valley]

yes

that is always correct

[strong forum]

tank balance was close to perfect in s2 of SL

but its in a good spot rn

[mighty valley]

amazing how close tanks were and how warped perception was

[hollow token]

^

[mighty valley]

i guess that's always though

[hollow token]

that... because content creators need those clicks

[strong forum]

if we couldve had 2 legendaries in s2

[uneven mason]

Perception is always stupid

[strong forum]

it woulda been an insane patch

[uneven mason]

Normally it's warriors that surprise stronk

[solid sun]

If season 2 had the encrypted affix instead of the mini bosses would it have been even more banger or would it have messed up the balance

[mighty valley]

also prot warriors were harder to play to get good results compared to other tanks

[uneven mason]

Yeah pretty happy I can blink while playing

Brm is in that spot right now, good but requires push buttons

[prisma crane]

took me a second to realize you meant literally blink as opposed to mage stuffs

[uneven mason]

Yeah early bfa and sl warrior required some serious focus

[open gazelle]

Lemme see everyone m+ talent set up now

[hollow token]

anyone try simming lately and get an error "can't create action dragon roar"?

[drifting fable]

yes sims dont work currently

[hollow token]

then that would be why

ty

[raw trail]

how much hp did we lose with this reset?

[strong forum]

None

[hollow token]

trash spec dont play clearly

[jagged pier]

soom tm

[uneven mason]

Isn't the 40% hp buff live now

So we gained hp?

[lusty tiger]

40% hp buff?

I keep wanting to try Brm, but every time i just think “but warrior fun”

[jagged pier]

brm get a lot less fun imo

with pre atch

much a button bloat

[lusty tiger]

Losing tier?

Button bloat

Meanwhile prot here missing abilities

[jagged pier]

no it generally plays around the same just wth more stuff

[lusty tiger]

It’s not just keg, breath, spin anymore?

[warm plinth]

No. Mythic+ scaling went in but not the player health scaling as far as I'm aware.

[uneven mason]

Ow

[warm plinth]

M+ scaling meaning the additional per level scaling, not the 40% damage thing

[uneven mason]

Ah ok

[lusty tiger]

There’s going to be a blanket 40% tank health buff AND a 40% m+ damage (of monsters) buff?

[uneven mason]

I was going to say, Nom might have to scale back to soloing bosses in+27

[jagged pier]

well yer kinda but you have a lot more 1 min cds and defensives but your cant just expel harm back up and stuff anymore

[uneven mason]

All characters not just tanks

[warm plinth]

I'm pretty sure it's all players, not just tanks. It's a way to reduce healing efficacy without having to nerf each healing spec individually.

[lusty tiger]

Wait that sounds like a modern tank tho lol

[jagged pier]

and i dunno everyone told me resonating fists proced all the time but mine didnt

[lusty tiger]

^

That’s what interested me

The fists

[lusty tiger]

I think that’s good

[uneven mason]

Yeah it addresses healing being too strong without falling back on the old "one shot" days

[candid path]

Rushing Jade Wind

Gotta have that RJW

[jagged pier]

yer i know

[candid path]

Brew is a DPS spec now. The difference between a buffed and a non-buffed Exploding Keg is legitimately >200% more damage.

[uneven mason]

I think the best part of df is going to be the fact we can actually play more than one character, haven't been able to keep my tank lineup all at raid ready since WOD

[candid path]

You have to layer a shitload of CD's to maximize its value

[uneven mason]

Yup, brm is the cd King now

[jagged pier]

yer i need more time with it but it wasnt for me

just too much for my small brain

[candid path]

Unbuffed, just regular on-CD EK is 30k. Properly buffed it's >100k.

It's a lot to manage.

[verbal ledge]

Finally the seeing red bug got fixed

[uneven mason]

Oh tc no longer eats it

?

So it took me a whopping 20 minutes to get the last 10 levels on a dh

[strong forum]

pins are updated

[uneven mason]

I've got a monk on deck at 35 estimate that it's a 30min run

SB 100% st build

[normal coral]

I feel like am getting clapped in m+ today. Did we get nerfed?

[oak echo]

new key difficulty scaling is active

i think i heard there was a base damage buff to all mobs too because they're scaled like lvl 63 mobs or something? idk if that was ever confirmed but the key difficulty one for sure

[normal coral]

What would you say a 15 key is now compared to last week? 19-20?

[oak echo]

it's like a 16-17

[strong forum]

^

• fort

[oak echo]

this article has the exact changes

[lusty grotto]

@strong forum

is there a way you could add a load to class/spec for the rage bar?

for some reason its not following parent load settings

so it shows up for my alts on other classes i mean

[mystic sleet]

What Talent we Take now ? 2 charges on shieldwall or the other one?

[prisma crane]

"the wall"

[severe hatch]

Is parry hasting still a mechanic in the game?

[prisma crane]

no

[severe hatch]

Thanks

[prisma crane]

oh nvm i guess it's called impenetrable wall, but yea same as the wall legendary with extra rage and SW CDR on SS

[mystic sleet]

Ah okay ty

[prisma crane]

more rage is more better basically

[mystic sleet]

And whats the average uptime per Minute now?

So with Anger Management and this talent

[jagged pier]

i mean look at it this way u get 1 extra charge of SW

but the 30 sec CDR is less than the wall gives

so its very niche

and only good if u have to take back to back mechanics

otherwise u will get more SW with the wall

and more rage

[mystic sleet]

Okay
So the ss buff is the generel way to Go?

[jagged pier]

99% of the time

[strong forum]

Pretty sure parry haste is still a thing

It's super noticable on arms with dbts up

[severe hatch]

Thanks bb, you a real one

But do bosses also still have this mechanic?

[lusty grotto]

yes but its not something you should worry about

at all

[severe hatch]

More a point of curiosity than anything; I like to understand the underlying mechanics and there's really not much in the way of resources for things like this for retail

[mighty valley]

never auto attack. what if you get parried? bad.

[lusty grotto]

and hasnt been a thing we should worry about for several expansions

[severe hatch]

Just looking to have a holistic understanding of how the game works

[lusty grotto]

parry mechanics are overlooked because they dont really offer too much substantially

and before rage from AAs came back, it was completely dropped

[strong forum]

It changes nothing

But it's a neat to know

[severe hatch]

Exactly where I'm coming from

[lusty grotto]

just some background for why there could be lack of info regarding it

[severe hatch]

That's also very fair

[lusty grotto]

did you get that thing i sent ya 😄

https://tenor.com/view/harvey-birdman-did-you-get-that-thing-birdman-funny-gif-11831147

[strong forum]

I did but I'm bedge so

Get fucked

[lusty grotto]

[strong forum]

Maybe I'll remember tomorrow

[lusty grotto]

good night sweet prince

[strong forum]

[modern brook]

[lusty grotto]

[outer thorn]

omg I found a HUGE undocumented nerf, Red Dragonscale Protector is visible again

[lusty grotto]

lol

[ocean finch]

Hey, probably got alot of questions about this earlier today/yesterday, but have our talent build change anything on pre-patch? M+ focused?

[prisma crane]

the pinned builds are updated

iirc its a nerf to our rage gen but talents would still be the same outside of ST

and other low aoe dungeons

[ocean finch]

Oh okey, so just scroll down on pinned and use the same links as before?

[prisma crane]

yes, they were updated today

the top 3 builds anyways*

[sick sentinel]

Bruhhhhhh

thats gonna be brutal

like 8 out of 10 people i know who were pushing around 3.1k were using that shit

assuming theyre talking about the stranglethorn one

[lusty grotto]

did you mistake BDK disc for skyhold?

[sick sentinel]

No i just assumed real BDK players have made the switch alrdy

[lusty grotto]

uh huh

fotm rerollers you mean

suprised you guys havent gone bear

[sick sentinel]

theres no way they dont nerf bear tho

[mighty valley]

how dedicated are you to chasing these flavors?

[sand pebble]

all bear needs is a nerf to moonfire

[lusty grotto]

idk man, i would hop in there just to be sure, its blizzard after all

[sick sentinel]

hey

tbh

i leveled all tanks to 60

well except pal cuz its pal

but i still believe in war stock

[lusty grotto]

that's a fotm rerolling commitment

[sick sentinel]

cant go tits up

[sick sentinel]

that group healing passive is gonna get the aoe shield wall treatment

[lusty grotto]

yeah was gonna say

he must have missed the after the wildfire buff

im sorry let me rephrase that

the after the wildfire absolutely disgustingly stupid op buff

[sick sentinel]

nah its all a scheme

blizz understand no one really wants to play balance, they were all bear players who got forced into respecing

so when they cut birdies balls off couple days ago and got all the balance players real mad

[lusty grotto]

idk about that balance seems to be doing decently

[sick sentinel]

they throw a curve ball at the birdies

why not play bear who you truly love

[lusty grotto]

🤮

[ionic roost]

That's called being an adaptive players and not a one trick

Imagine picking what you want to play before you know how strong or useful it will be

Especially in the tank role

[lusty grotto]

i did

in vanilla

imagine being a fotm reroller though

[ionic roost]

[astral crystal]

fotm rerollers will hang in the New World Order

[lusty grotto]

problem?

[old flame]

After the bloodsurge nerf are we playing instigate in raid? (For the next two weeks)

[kindred ivy]

Okay so I am still fairly new to wow as a whole, but I'm trying to learn how to play protection. Any tips for beginners 😅

[lusty grotto]

🪤 you see how good it still is?

[astral crystal]

😏

[lusty grotto]

never fails lmao

[lusty grotto]

yikes lmao this guy really bit in hard

[mystic sleet]

How much overall u guys do in a +15 Workshop?

[lusty grotto]

imagine having to justify your play choices in an online chatroom cause you were baited by a specific choice of words

harsh

[mighty valley]

Uhhh when you're tanking do your best to not get hit in the back. Pretty much always be pressing buttons, if there are gaps you're probably doing something wrong. Be cool to people

[lusty grotto]

i guess that's the life of a fotm reroller, forever undecided

always second guessing their picks

🙂

[mighty valley]

For prot warrior specifically, your three biggest goals are always keep up Shield Block, generate as much rage as possible, and try not to ever overcap on rage

[lusty grotto]

take a look at mwahi's guide as well as following up on what Harrow said. Shield blocking while getting hit, and rage management are important factors https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/how-to-improve-protection-warrior

[mighty valley]

honestly with as much sb uptime as we can get right now, it's pretty rare you need to conserve during offtanking or whatever, might as well generally send for ss damage

[lusty grotto]

right, not disagreeing at all

there's an argument to be made though, of understanding fundamentals, just in case any of the SB uptime talents get changed or scapped

but that's nothing people starting out should worry about unless they really want to, so i agree

[mighty valley]

why understand fundamentals, when you could understand FUNdamentals

[kindred ivy]

Thanks hahaha

[lusty grotto]

👉 🚪

[kindred ivy]

Thanks for the advice haha it's definitely a fun class/spec to play

[mighty valley]

Many of us are prot warrior lifers

[shut summit]

always

[novel temple]

so what exactly does all totem of the master do?

[lusty grotto]

idk it seems pretty self explanatory

what specific part of it do you have problems understanding

or are you asking for the counterattack itself?

[prisma crane]

it's worded weirdly with "assuming the next stance" but it sounds like it's just a frontal cone counterattack with a 30 sec ICD

[mighty valley]

It's possible the four counterattacks do slightly different things? But I doubt it changes how you play

[bold thunder]

Did something happen? I feel super fucking rage starved as compared to last week.

[lusty grotto]

oof

someone missed the bloodsurge nerf

for the entire 2 weeks it was in beta lol

[bold thunder]

eh wasn't really paying attention to patch notes, just playing the game with buddies for fun. Makes sense though, ty

[lusty grotto]

just use SS more during aoe situation if youre starving fast

cant rely on Avatar UF Tclap/rev spam for its entirety

well, depending on the pull size that is

[ocean finch]

We accept having a gap on Shield block uptime now when picking Into the Fray instead of Heavy Repercussions?

[prisma crane]

well right now right now with ilvls we shouldnt need all the SB extending talents to keep up SB

haste % is super high atm, will drop when we hit 70

[ocean finch]

Aight, also thinking of using Seismic Reverberation leggo instead of The wall, more dmg output and I dont really see when I would use Defender's Aegis atm

[hollow blaze]

Is there any point to swapping to Battle stance during an encounter? I.e before popping Avatar so that you’re not dealing reduced damage?

If I apply rend in battle stance and then swap to defensive stance, does the bleed apply at battle stance damage?

[prisma crane]

wouldnt use DA anyways, the other option is better

[prisma crane]

afaik snapshotting in general doesnt exist anymore

[agile elbow]

Just play in battle stance unless you can't stay alive then play in defensive.

[warm plinth]

You should really never have to not be in battle stance right now

[hollow blaze]

Lame. Thank you Krotos!

[prisma crane]

and in most scenarios you'll be in BS the whole time anyways

[hollow blaze]

Yeah I’m just undergeared but still pulling large so can be spiky. That’s the only reason I’m chilling in D stance

[prisma crane]

fair enough, honestly play how you want, just know that most of us dmg whores will be always pushing for higher numbers any time it doesnt affect us being alive or not

[novel temple]

^^

[finite narwhal]

was there already buff to 40% hp and dmg of mobs? I just tanked lower key than I am doing normally and I was getting hit like a truck. Then I logged runs on my alt dps and our tank was constantly dying to every pull

[hollow blaze]

Good to know that battle stance is the norm when geared appropriately! I also like damage haha

[prisma crane]

its not live

but

the new key SCALING is

[bold thunder]

@finite narwhal you are feeling the rage nerf. i just felt a LOT less tanky today cause of it

[prisma crane]

so a 15 now is closer to a 16-17 before

[finite narwhal]

aha!

[urban bane]

no the key scaling is live

[finite narwhal]

no, rage was fine for me, I was just getting hit like a hell

[agile elbow]

Scaling is live.

[warm plinth]

For what it's worth, spiky should not be a thing for pwar with proper play. If you're feeling spiky, I'd look at your play, not whether or not you have a 20% DR up.

[novel temple]

also, theres not gonna be any way for us to consistently deal fire damage in DF is there?

[agile elbow]

I've tried every tank so far and the damage definitely is noticeable on them all.

[finite narwhal]

yeah, scaling it is, makes sense now, I was tanking higher keys and getting lower dmg than this week lol

[hollow blaze]

Yep my play is cactus right now for sure. I’ve just come back from a substantial break and haven’t played pwar in like a year. I’m absolutely butchering the play, but also the 2 keys I did yesterday had goofball DPS, so I was copping a lot of unkicked shit

[ocean finch]

Is there for anyone else the Ignore Pain WA doesnt show the amount anymore?

[prisma crane]

yea the higher the keys you go the more the discrepancy will manifest

below an 11 there's no difference

[lusty grotto]

did you update the WA?

[finite narwhal]

I mean at least its more challenging, but I was afraid that I am doing something wrong now

[sand pebble]

anyone else notices all the scaling changes ot trinkets/passives?

this was 63 damage last week

[ocean finch]

I've updated the addon if that is what you mean? It worked yesterday just fine, now it doesnt show the amount anymore, the progress cd is still fine

[lusty grotto]

what addon

[ocean finch]

WA

[lusty grotto]

did you update the aura, you're asking about the aura

the aura itself

not the weakauras addon

[prisma crane]

all trinkets that arent basically stat sticks got somewhere around a 60% buff

[ocean finch]

Nope, does it have a new ID from yesterday?

[prisma crane]

stuff like RDM got a lot better

[lusty grotto]

which specific one are you using? im assuming you're using Marok's

aka Genshii's

[sand pebble]

60k heal O.o

[lusty grotto]

this one https://wago.io/IgnorePainTracker

[prisma crane]

yea i believe they wanted those more flavor items to have a chance of being picked, since until the update to their values they've almost unanimously been inferior to the basic stat sticks

fwiw im ok with this change

i know it's almost all passive anyways but it "feels" better to me

stat sticks are boring AF

[lusty grotto]

we barely used any stat sticks though

but i guess you mean generally

[prisma crane]

we also never used any flavor items much either

and yea mostly

[lusty grotto]

i mean RDM is a flavor item

[prisma crane]

stuff like OWS just too good in relation

[lusty grotto]

so is OWS

[prisma crane]

but OWS is a stat stick

[lusty grotto]

uhh

when did the stat stick definition change

[prisma crane]

its a trinket that when you chain pull is just a STR/HASTE item

it does nothing outside of give haste

a LOT of haste

[lusty grotto]

i mean i get what youre saying

[prisma crane]

but still just a secondary

[lusty grotto]

but stat sticks used to mean literal stat sticks

[prisma crane]

oh i know

[lusty grotto]

like that dumb world boss in legion

[prisma crane]

those dont really exist anymore

but they're still alive just slightly changed like OWS

so many on use stat trinkets

[lusty grotto]

meh im not gonna even bother farming for anything else tbh

[prisma crane]

same thing, just click for more of a secondary

[lusty grotto]

i never got an Aegis so fuck it heh

[prisma crane]

lol yea i dont have a new one

idc though

its all replaced soon enough anyways

i just use an OWS and RDM

[lusty grotto]

oh its not retroactive?

[prisma crane]

RDM is like 278 or whatever the baseline is

no i mean like new since S4

i had one in S2

[lusty grotto]

ohhh

[prisma crane]

yea sorry

[lusty grotto]

gotcha

[prisma crane]

i did get a 304 grenade too, but again it's boring

[lusty grotto]

i got jack shit for 4 weeks in a row

i have like 8 sockets bagged

[waxen cradle]

Hey look at it this way at least your consistent you didn't get a great item one of those 4 weeks and get your hopes up you would get another

[lusty grotto]

every iteration of the vault has hated me, i swear to god

i never got a 304 shield

it feels bad

[waxen cradle]

It does raise a interesting question though... is it more of a let down when you get a great item one week and don't get another for the next 3 or is it more of a let down if you simply don't get one

for 4 weeks in a row

[sand pebble]

6 weeks

[lusty grotto]

i dont think i ever got a great item tbh

304 bit band is probably the best one i got

[sand pebble]

if i havent got something after 6 weeks of farming im pissed, if i get it week 1-5 i feel lucky

[lusty grotto]

that is, unless Fusion Hacker got buffed by that flavor item buff, but even so its garbage for aoe

[sand pebble]

i have mecha shield with avoidence, been great, i bought a crest with dinar and upgraded it with heroic tokens - i felt pissed offf that it never dropped

[lusty grotto]

mecha shield was kinda bad though

like absolutely bad

[sand pebble]

guild never seen gavels drop off jailor - we all bought them with dinars

[mighty valley]

mecha shield wasn't SO bad that you'd give up tons of ilvl to wear another one

[lusty grotto]

that goes without saying

[sand pebble]

i mean it does decewnt healing, mastery isnt bad, it just never got lucky with a better one so it worked

[lusty grotto]

idk i would have flipped 20 tables if i got mecha shield in the vault tbh

and then cope with it cause oh well

[brittle ember]

something i wanted to know since i was considering warrior again - how much "downtime" is there in the rotation? either due to waiting for cooldowns, or waiting to regen a resource

[sand pebble]

compare them

lose some haste and gain some free healing

[lusty grotto]

downtime? you mean gcds you dont use or something?

[brittle ember]

time spent not hitting gcds

[lusty grotto]

why havent you vendored that lmao

hell delete it

[sand pebble]

not going to target it sure but it was all i had dinar free to spend

[severe hatch]

+22 Workshop

[lusty grotto]

there's absolutely no time spent without a gcd press, we have one of the highest APMs out of all tanks

if not the highest

if correctly played that is

[sand pebble]

basically if you cant revenge you overspent rage - something to press every global

[brittle ember]

and you've convinced me lol. having a filler gcd button just makes things feel good

[lusty grotto]

look

this is only if you're playing correctly

if youre starving cause you cant manage rage, YOU WILL HAVE EMPTY GCDs

but its your own fault

[brittle ember]

followup question: in simple terms, what is rage management

is it something like how blood dk wants to wait on runes to be able to do their defensive move or is it simpler than that

[lusty grotto]

you mentioned bdk

im out of this conversation

peace

@mighty valley take it away

[brittle ember]

that and bm are the only tanks i've actually played with competency!

[oak echo]

You have enough rage to use abilities when you need to use them without ever over capping

[severe hatch]

When he says rage management he means use IP to prevent overcapping, don't revenge unless SS and TC are on CD (except mass AoE where revenge overtakes SS in prio)

If you dump so many IPs that you can't hit revenge, you screwed up

[lusty grotto]

in the simplest of terms, botato kind of summarized it correctly

you cant use shit if you dont have rage

you can't use rage that you waste

[brittle ember]

as long as my filler button isn't a spender it should be fine right?

[lusty grotto]

and you need to understand how rage is generated

spenders are fine

[severe hatch]

I don't really understand this question, arguably Pwarr has no filler

[lusty grotto]

yeah there's absolutely no fillers

you dont spam the same key

[sturdy sable]

lol heroic throw

might be considered one

[lusty grotto]

huh

but why

[sand pebble]

pwar HAS a filler but we talent it into auto attack

[brittle ember]

i mean, that sounds good, i just simply have the compulsion to ALWAYS be pressing a button, no wasted gcds

[sturdy sable]

its obviously a joke

[lusty grotto]

well that's not gonna happen with prot

sorry to say

[brittle ember]

and veng dh does a similar thing by talenting their filler button into a different spell...

[lusty grotto]

if you wanna play correctly you're gonna have to break that habit

[brittle ember]

pain

[lusty grotto]

ah yes fotm rerollers

here we go again

[severe hatch]

Compulsion or no does not change that Pwarr has no classical "filler" button. We still have no empty GCDs but you're always going down a priority list

[lusty grotto]

[sand pebble]

if you ever are in a point your are out of rage and are standing there and cant press revenge, leap away and charge abck pretending reprisal is still a thing 😛

[brittle ember]

i'm not a fotm reroller i swear! i'm just prone to seeking different classes

[sturdy sable]

is prot still considered the flavor of the month?

[severe hatch]

Unlike VDH, taking Devestator is mandatory

[lusty grotto]

probably not

at least until bear gets giga nerfed

[mighty valley]

Nah, we're looking kind of middle of a very strong pack

[sturdy sable]

blood imo

[severe hatch]

We won't know fotm until mid S1 tbh, tanks are too close

[brittle ember]

which is fine, i've just been trying to seek a tank where i can actually press buttons all the time and not worry about "i'm wasting energy for x" or "god damnit i want to press buttons not wait for runes"

[severe hatch]

Pwarr presses buttons every GCD, just no filler

[mighty valley]

fotm is usually a fake concept anyway so random weekly patch fotms are as real as any

[lusty grotto]

how dare you

let me fish

[sand pebble]

warrior is it

[brittle ember]

fotm is real it's for people who look at muh dps tier lists

[sturdy sable]

yeah the season 4 surv hunters lol

[mighty valley]

yeah, warrior should be pressing buttons every GCD plus a parallel track of offGCD

hold nothing ever

[waxen cradle]

046+

[sand pebble]

press ss on cd (it resets often) press tc on cd press revenge on cd while keeping shield block up 100% of the time - learn how much rage you overcapped then learn to spend that amount of covercapped rage on ignore pains off gcd

[brittle ember]

the added benefit of "i actually like fury warrior too"

[sand pebble]

thats warrior in a nutshell

[fervent gull]

Hey does anyone have a weak aura for tracking Battle-Scarred Veteran. Im having a hard time making a WA for it since once it procs you cant benefit again for 180 seconds I feel like thats an important thing to track if up or not basically a large CD

[warm plinth]

mm I don't have a weakaura, and that would probably be useful to track. However I would not think of it like "basically a large CD". It's not a cheat death in the sense that Last Resort is a cheat death, where proccing it can be beneficial and help you do a pack you otherwise couldn't. Battle-Scarred Veteran is there to carry you if you fuck up

[sand pebble]

dows it leave a debuff

[fervent gull]

it does not

I was able to find it spell id 386397 but when made into a weak aura I can only track when it procs not how long its down for

[lusty grotto]

you have to track ICD

but ghash is correct

[tender berry]

Maby track the proc in the combat log

[fervent gull]

that sounds over my head unless you have a format and I just plug and play

[mighty valley]

simple solution: don't play BSV and simply do not die

[tender berry]

Is a tigger to track combat log

[waxen cradle]

a tigger.... heh heh

you mean a trigger i hope

wait isn't tigger the tiger from winnie the pooh... maybe you did mean that

[tender berry]

😀 Trigger then

[open gazelle]

I think we drop barbaric training once we lose conq banner

That’s my two cents

[sand pebble]

its fine honestly

[open gazelle]

Still keeping the rest of dps increase talents

[sand pebble]

you cant dump as much with ip but ip gets wasted alot

so its ok to have 25% harder hitting revenge

[sick sentinel]

damnit they killed my addon

[sand pebble]

st might drop it

[open gazelle]

Are rage gen is being nerfed so I’m trying to balence it out by making revenge cost 20 instead of 30 rage

Our*

Still play it in m+?

[sick sentinel]

what?

[sand pebble]

rage gen isnt nurfed to the point you arent spenmding it on capped ip's to prevent overcappiong though

[sick sentinel]

bro

what is going on

[sand pebble]

so barb training is still useful/powerful in aoe

[open gazelle]

I’m never capped in rage

I make damn sure to do that but haven’t done a m+ this week yet

Noticed rage is slightly nerfed running around do primals and shit

[sick sentinel]

im not even sure why i should be doing primals

[open gazelle]

I’m trying to catch up alts gear

Is all

[sand pebble]

its fine with this build tbh

[sick sentinel]

yeah, been working on paladin, i need a 1 hand weapon

[open gazelle]

Oh I need to drop stormbolt I suppose to get both side arm and barb training

Just noticed that Ty

[sand pebble]

yeah stun isnt needed for primal event farming

[open gazelle]

Not even in m+ really

We live through everything basically so why do I need a stun right now

[sand pebble]

i mean swap intervene for stormbolt if you need stun

[open gazelle]

More dam the better

True

[sand pebble]

pain n gain if you need the healing

i love the ability to swap talents on the go

[open gazelle]

Off topic but can we watch multiple channels on twitch to get twitch drops or does all hours watched have to be under one person

[sand pebble]

not sure tbh - i put a stream on and afk's for 5 hours

thanked them then told them id be back for feldrake

[gritty swallow]

I just put on naguura this morning and went to class lol

Came home to drop completed

[pulsar arch]

you can watch multiple channels

just needs to be 4 hours total

not 4 hours on any one particular channel

[warm plinth]

To be clear, it has to be 4 hours of concurrent watching. You can't watch 4 channels at once for an hour and get it.

[uneven mason]

So, I uh tried to level a BRM in dungeons

literally getting 1 shot

by boss abilities

in Fortifying

[honest hazel]

You're leveling in m+?

[uneven mason]

fortifuying brew sorry

No leveling through cataclysm dungeons

I guess it was like a 80% shot not a 1 shot

[honest hazel]

Hmm that's still odd. I have had no issues doing m+ not sure about leveling through dungeons on BrM but on one of my Warrior alts had no issues.

[uneven mason]

yeah warriors are great

as are druid and paladin

[honest hazel]

Maybe some weird scaling issue but you definitely shouldn't be getting one shot.

[warm plinth]

I've heard of some weird scaling bugs. Someone said that they did a Shadowlands dungeon and their DPS were basicaly getting 1-shot by all boss abilities

[uneven mason]

just tried another classic dungeon, RFK, couldn't even kill trash, getting mauled

it's like stagger isn't working

feels like the HP and damage scaling is off by around 10 levels

for the mobs

They take forever to die

[sick sentinel]

getting 1 shot by nothing sounds like yogi doomer speak

and is probably fake news

[pallid quiver]

The MoP dungeons seemed fine

the one classic dungeon i got into tho

yo why's he got so much HP

and why is my level 60 prot warrior losing HP?

[sick sentinel]

game alot easier to follow when you only get hit for 700 fire dmg like 2-3 times, and then you dei

compared to, you have 700k hp and getting hit for, 48k per tick every 1.0 seconds and then you also got some other debuff that does dmg every 1.5 etc seconds, bleh

[somber shell]

did they remove the "give everyone shield wall when you use shield wall" aspect of the defenders aegis talent?

[sand pebble]

yes

[somber shell]

that sucks, it was great utility

[sand pebble]

it was overpowered

and absurd - why do pwar have to talent to save group - i weant to press sw to save me when i need it not watch for party damage

[somber shell]

?

[sand pebble]

you can still use the leggo version for slands content

[somber shell]

why absurd? I used it on shard suffering, the pulse of dmg before the 1st boss in steets, etc.. it felt really good

[slim dove]

it was way too strong of a group wide CD to follow into df

[cobalt seal]

clearly you are a pwar main

that wanted pwar meta

[somber shell]

lol

I mean

[cobalt seal]

if you think that SW to party

isn't broken

[somber shell]

even it was 10% mitigation or soemthng that could be interesting

you could choose to use it to help the group or save for yourself

[cobalt seal]

sure

the tank is gonna be the one in danger

[somber shell]

the old version wasnt a full Sw, it was 50% effective

[cobalt seal]

the talent was omega broken

[rotund thicket]

you can still have group wall for prepatch 🙂

[somber shell]

fun detected 😉

[cobalt seal]

"fun"

literally meta defining talent

[somber shell]

some tank has gotta be considered 'best' why not prot warrior? 🙂

[cobalt seal]

it can still be?

without the broken talent

[sand pebble]

why does a singel tank have to be conmsidered 'best' or meta' - why not think of tanks each having their own strenghts and weaknesses

[somber shell]

I mean.. I'm not looking for a big debate here. It was fun and I was just curious if it was removed or if I was confused. Damn, guys.

[sand pebble]

ef pwar mitigates so much incoming damage, decent damage and lots of movement

[sand pebble]

you ask this

and replt with I'm not looking for a big debate here.

[somber shell]

Yeah with a smiley emoji, that was tongue in cheek / not sure why it would be so triggering anyway? heh

[lime granite]

Heh

[sick sentinel]

what if it was instead, if you have sw active and you do rallying cry they get the effect at normal, aslong as your sw buff and thier rc buff is active, ending when your sw and this buff does. sw goes on 4 closest in raid setting only, its easy to have up and refresh sw, not so much for rally

[sand pebble]

what if it says "rally now also reduces damage taken by 20%"

[mighty valley]

what are we trying to solve here. rally's already very good

[sand pebble]

we are trying to solve the fact that party damage reduction in any form from a warrior is too powerful because we already have rally and that its removal was warrented

[sick sentinel]

sure buf its alot harder to justifg mzkjng shield wall somsthing you use on all party members

rc more party oreinted to begin with

[sand pebble]

shield wall is your personal major defensive that is designed to save you and not your party

fun while it lasted, shouldnt remain in game because that 1 thing puts warrior above any other tank

[sick sentinel]

which im arguing is due to up time because ofmassive support forsw

[mighty valley]

we already have an enormous raid defensive utility in rally, we don't need to salvage UW

[sick sentinel]

to make it last longer and have cd reduce am

[sand pebble]

if it was to remain it should of been in the forrm of plant a shield and reduce damage taken of those behind you or something - way to op for a press and instant dr without thinking about it

imagine 2 pwars giving almost perma dr for the entire m+

[pallid quiver]

i think we should have a talent that makes it so we cast a bajillion executes when we cast shield wall and the entire party or raid has to talk about how great and cool you are for the next five minutes

[sick sentinel]

could havebeen somw channelthing

you gotta channel it and theg gotta be behind

[mighty valley]

don't make me channel

[sick sentinel]

channel with normal block, cant do othernon instant actions

[mighty valley]

i already have the second part of that talent

[stark hinge]

Anyone taken the Bolster talent? Thinking about giving that a try. Thoughts?

[mellow quartz]

its fine if you wanna go ITF instead of HR

[stark hinge]

What about using it with HR? I was planning on keeping that since I love that talent

[urban portal]

too much block

[stark hinge]

Didn't know that was a bad thing lol. Thanks for the help!

[pallid quiver]

If you already reach 100% block uptime without Bolster, it does, like, nothing

Gives you a minute less on the CD of Last Stand, our weakest defensive CD

Technically in pre-patch, it gives you higher uptime on the Unnerving Focus conduit.

but that's not worth the talent point

[stark hinge]

Makes a lot of sense now, thanks for that!

[limpid pawn]

at high levels of play, having the shield wall CDR and group shield wall lets you shield wall the whole group for the vast majoriy of things in a dungeon lol

[mellow quartz]

There is no more group shieldwall

[sand pebble]

It works from the leggo my guikdy is about to dump 50k into a leggo because he thinks its needed to do 30's

This is exactly why it deserved to he deleted

[mellow quartz]

Imagine pushing keys with 13 days left in the expansion lol

Especially considering the increased scaling now.

[sand pebble]

Yep

[crude notch]

there will always, ALWAYS be a meta. Things can have weaknesses and still be meta.

[urban portal]

^

[limpid pawn]

how good is immovable object

[sweet urchin]

I'm super new to prot so this might be rudimentary, but is 1% attack power from mastery = 1% damage increase?

[warm plinth]

No, attack power is just a part of the damage formula.

[sweet urchin]

Oh, where do I find the damage formula

[warm plinth]

(Primary Stat + Weapon DPS * 6) * AP Coefficient * Damage Multiplier I believe is the current formula

[urban portal]

however

(Primary Stat + Weapon DPS * 6)

this chunk is effectively AP

[urban portal]

to answer your question, 1% AP is technically 1% damage

however due to how numbers work linearly

it doesnt become 1% damage in practice

if you know what im trying to say

like, going from 100 dps to 200 dps, is less of a % increase than 200 to 300

even tho they are both 100 dps up

[sweet urchin]

Ok so I would get more damage from 1% vers than 1% ap

In a realistic environment

[urban portal]

depends on what you already have

thats a great question to ask sims

also keep in mind vers increases damage from borrowed power

mastery doesnt

[surreal rampart]

The revenge proc that is supposed to be free is not, what am I missing?

[ionic fern]

[warm plinth]

🤔

[robust dew]

in a m+ scenario should i be using banner with avatar on cd? or is there a better way to be using banner?

[sand pebble]

Banner on pull and spend rage to kerp it up 100%

[glacial skiff]

Anyone find a good ignore pain weak aura that works with DF? i noticed the one i had previously is giving errors 😦

[warm plinth]

You want to maintain banner as long as possible. Don't cast it if you already have it up because it'll reset to 15 seconds.

Also hi @ionic fern ily

[ionic fern]

Good evening.

[warm plinth]

Are you enjoying the pre-patch

[patent osprey]

[ionic fern]

No. 😄

I haven't done anything(on retail) for..2 months.

How about you?

[warm plinth]

ty

[warm plinth]

Just been leveling so far. I have done like...4 toons already? And would've finished a 5th this morning but I'm dumb and forgot to use the anniversary buff

[ionic fern]

😦

[warm plinth]

But with anniversary buff it's only taking about 75 minutes per toon

For 50-60

Honestly might be able to get it even faster but I like doing Torghast first and that generally takes 10-20 mins depending on the toon

It's like a level and change though so kinda worth

[ionic fern]

All these XP bonuses.

I got no idea where you get them.

Is it a passive one?

[warm plinth]

You get an item in your mail that's called like WoW's 18th anniversary

[ionic fern]

Oh, wait, is it the one they send to you via email?

Jeah.

[warm plinth]

It's an 18% xp/rep buff

And then some of my toons still have leftover draught of ten lands

And then I usually go war mode

So it's like 28-38%

On top of the 75% reduced xp requirement

[glacial skiff]

nvm, I FOUND ONE! in case anyone else needs

https://wago.io/IgnorePainTracker

guess they didnt push it to weak aura companion

[ionic fern]

Prime time for leveling.

[zealous willow]

They are not fixing the bad scaling for dungeons on low lvl, to do a dungeon u need like a team of 5 friends. I feel disappointed i love leveling with dungeon spam and now u are forced go quest...

[dull saddle]

It's hard to beat WoD scenario

[sand pebble]

Wot

[acoustic grotto]

Are you full pexing in questing in some exp like BfA ?

[zealous willow]

U can do event with primal storm elites and get fast 60 with essences for full set gear btw

[surreal rampart]

primal invasions is only worth for 50+?

[jagged pier]

not really worth at all unless u need 252 gear, want the tmog or heirloom trinket

otherwise its a waste

[acoustic grotto]

Oh little question. On boss/or ST, do you use Revenge or Execute as main spender ? (when below 30%)

[jagged pier]

execute

[dull saddle]

you mean at all before 50 right, cause 50-60 is about an hour invested

[acoustic grotto]

Thanks

[strong forum]

This one is literally pinned

But glad you found it regardless!

[glacial skiff]

Oh my bad. 😦 i didn't even see it!

[warm plinth]

I didn't understand your question

what is pexing

[acoustic grotto]

do you gain experience in dungeon or doing quest (and if, in which expansion) ?

[warm plinth]

Questing. And I'm doing Threads of Fate on all of them.

[acoustic grotto]

Thanks

[warm plinth]

can't do threads if you haven't started it yet though

[cunning pecan]

Look up Harldan on YouTube. I've used his route to level my characters in the past and currently doing it on my Rogue. I think it's way faster than threads of fate. It's an extremely efficient way to level by quests.

[warm plinth]

idk, hour and 15 seems pretty fast. And I'm used to the route at this point so seems pointless to alter the route to gain a small amount of speed on an already pretty fast route.

I'm only doing 50-60 also

Speaking of which, 22 down 14 to go

[cunning pecan]

Oh yeah I guess if you're comfortable with it. He has the world record for 10-60 in like 4 hours.

[warm plinth]

Yeah honestly I've probably watched his video now that I think about it

I'm not really into the min/maxing that he does though. Plus iirc his guide is all alliance until shadowlands obviously

Unless I do have the wrong guy XD

[cunning pecan]

He had mostly a optimized Horde route but he's recently optimized his alliance route. I don't have all the items he uses but the quest density in the areas he uses is so good. Plus he takes advantage of the Cataclysm rares. I use RareScanner while doing his route and those rares give like 1-1.5x a quest worth of exp.

https://youtu.be/uLXS2nupv2s

Talking about this guy.

[warm plinth]

Yeah a lot of my toons, I was just leveling in classic/cata where I'd just pick a starting area and then follow the bread crumbs

Some of those zones are super dense

Ah maybe I haven't watched that one. The guy I watched was just alliance

Won't need it after this week anyway I suppose XD

14 toons to go and I'll have all 36

then just gotta do the 2 evokers

[cunning pecan]

He goes Cata chrome time: Silverpine forest to Hillsbrad Foothills. Then turns on WoD Chrome time does the WoD into, some starting stuff in Frostfire Ridge, then goes to Gorgrond.

Two evokers lol?

[warm plinth]

Yeah most of my recent ones were just straight WoD with war mode/winds/anniv/draught and I'd just go intro>frostfire>gorgrond and be finished just before the iron docks scenario

Finished meaning 50

not 60

[cunning pecan]

I got to 48 on my rogue and then waited for Tuesday patch. Got time to login for a hour and got to 53. Hopefully I can get off work at a decent time today and finish out to 60.

[acoustic grotto]

I was doing dungeon chain recently but seems not very efficient except fun

[warm plinth]

Haven't added evoker yet obviously

Yeah dungeon leveling is objectively slower than questing, but a lot of people just have more fun doing it that way.

[cunning pecan]

Oh damn you're making one character for each spec not just class.

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[cunning pecan]

You're insane lmao. I respect it.

[warm plinth]

should be done with them all by like...Saturday at this point? And that's probably being conservative

Just depends how much time I can put into it during the work week

[cunning pecan]

Yeah we're have so much down time at work lately. All 12 hour days cuts into my play time majorly. Especially the wife has me fixing things in the house and remodeling the bathroom etc.

[warm plinth]

I'm single and childless so my time after work is generally just whatever. But I work nights

[cunning pecan]

Haha that was me about 6 years ago.

[zenith vale]

managed to replace revenge as cleave

sound/icon/spell anim

its more satisfying (i think)

[urban portal]

at this point revenge may as well be cleave

the proc can literally not exist

[zenith vale]

revenge base anim and sound are bad i think

while all other prot things are great

[jagged pier]

that looks like some sus behaivour there

[zenith vale]

nop all 100% legit :)

can explain how

[warm plinth]

You can change sounds but I'm like 99% sure that changing spell animations is not okay. People got banned for tmorph/zmorph.

[zenith vale]

yup, its because i didnt change it héhé

revenge has no spell visible

so, i took weak aura and i created an aura

then, i used the cleave texture included far in the model particles

and modified it with WA settings

for the sound i used classic warrior sound addons and replaced revenge with cleavetarget.ogg

[strong forum]

Ayo?!

[zenith vale]

^^

if you want it i can give full legit explanation

[strong forum]

If you can remind me on Sunday that'd be interesting to look at

[zenith vale]

no problem

if you test it, you cant go back after

a lot more fun and satisfying than base revenge

when surrounded by mobs/players it "clang" with the green arc in all of them, so cool

[strong forum]

I don't play with game sound but it's still cooler idk

[zenith vale]

yep just the green arc is cool

[warm plinth]

Love the XP re-scaling lol

1 second to get from 59 to 60

[open gazelle]

Theorycrafting a bit for m+ in DF… keeping barbaric training because it seems rage gen will be enough even without banner to keep revenging when needed plus the added shockwave 10 rage+spear or thunder roar rage will help. Now my only question is is side arm more valuable than storm bolt or pain and gain or is the dmg negligible and better to go for survivability/utility

[jagged pier]

u will take barbatic in m+

u wont take spear

[strong forum]

My 70 builds have been updated yesterday, I don't think that barbaric training is the play anymore

The bloodsurge nerf kicked in hard

[warm plinth]

Pfft who listens to Nome anyway amirite

[strong forum]

Especially on bosses in m+ barbaric training is gonna be awful

Lots of text in the first pin, but those are my general thoughts, sidearm is not a bad pickup anymore

[uncut notch]

Is this change live now?

I did some keys yesterday and it felt kinda sad

[uncut notch]

Always wondered if you could get this as a bar that fills/empties

[strong forum]

Yes

We lost ~10% rage gen in m+ with yesterday's patch

Cuz both warmachine and bloodsurge have been nerfed by ~50%

[jagged pier]

[jovial moth]

I use Afenar's Warrior WA pack and it has just that, a nice bar that fills/empties. Would recommend at least checking it out https://wago.io/Afenar_Warrior

[uncut notch]

Sigh

God forbid we get more than two weeks of being giga

[uncut notch]

May your pillow always be frosty, friend

[strong forum]

You're already 25% more giga than in DF

Cuz of banner

Execute hits for the same amount at 60 and 70

Cuz banner 🙂

[uncut notch]

How sad are we 1-10

[strong forum]

Like the highest execute crit I've had on beta Was 62k ye?

[strong forum]

Solid 6/10 sad about the rage nerfs
10/10 sad about execute

[uncut notch]

Lmao with ashen juggy and banner I was doing 30/40k every hit when maxed and I’m not even good at the game

[jagged pier]

10/10 sad we got nerfs when most other tanks got buffs making the nerfs make no sense

[uncut notch]

Pwar isn’t allowed to be fun

[jagged pier]

i mean its still fun

just slower

[open gazelle]

@strong forum I’m not in the beta, I was just testing at lvl 60 at 3 dummies that don’t hit back. Barb training seemed fine enough. I’ll be picking up 25 sec shockwave in DF along with spear so that might help rage gen a lil. Might also go unnerving focus to help with rage gen when it’s really needed

But if I still notice an issue with not having enough rage to revenge to keep ss consistently I’ll drop the talent and pick up stormbolt most likely

[strong forum]

Banner

[open gazelle]

@strong forum you don’t have access to banner in org

[strong forum]

And how many times you actively get to press IP

Without running yourself dry by revenging

[open gazelle]

Consistently

[strong forum]

Das cap

[open gazelle]

Noticed shield block was lacking tho

Without bolster

[strong forum]

Cuz even on 4 targets on beta, the rotation is smoother without barbaric training

Sure, dmg is higher with barbaric

[open gazelle]

I guess sidearm will make up for some of the dam lost

[strong forum]

But you just end up running yourself dry alot quicker

[open gazelle]

Okay you convinced me

I’m excited to have both spear and shockwave back again tho

[strong forum]

Well

Ideally you don't play spear, but you do you

[open gazelle]

Wtf do you play then

[strong forum]

Keep in mind spear is 1.5min CD, not 40sec like with mikanikos

Roar is much much stronger

[open gazelle]

It’s huge dam and keeps mobs together, perfect for kiting

[strong forum]

"kiting"

[warm plinth]

Kiting?!

[strong forum]

Sir this isn't 9.0

[warm plinth]

This is the prot warrior channel sir

[hazy thicket]

You don't need to kite

[strong forum]

Go read up what thunderous words does

And wild strikes

[proven depot]

so tanks arent supposed to kite anymore?

[open gazelle]

They deal roughly the same dam but spear gives 10 more rage?

[strong forum]

Then you'll know why TR is better

[warm plinth]

Tanks don't need to kite

[strong forum]

(it's also uncapped)

[jagged pier]

tanks shouldnt have to kite

[warm plinth]

Especially since necrotic doesn't exist in DF

[strong forum]

They do not.

[proven depot]

tanks needed to kite at start of shadowlands

[warm plinth]

Yes, but this isn't the start of Shadowlands

And they needed to kite because tank design was garbage at the start of SL

[proven depot]

good i always found that dumb tbh

[strong forum]

TR is uncapped, Thunderous Words increases your bleed dmg permanently at all times. Not just when TR has been sent

Wild strikes is haste and grants you faster auto attack speed with good uptime for more devastator procs and thus shield slams and thus rage

[proven depot]

if you dont miind answering, what changed?

[strong forum]

Tanks are 20x stronger

If that helps

Tanks in 9.0 were wet wipes compared to DF

Mobs in 9.0 hit for exorbitantly high dmg, dungeons were generally overtuned

[proven depot]

wont miss the days when party were shouting at me for "tanking" the damn mobs

[strong forum]

Like, feel free to play spear @open gazelle but it's just inferior

[toxic geyser]

Not sure if this has already been covered but does anyone else feel slower/more rage starved since the latest build

Banner felt heaps harder to maintain at the start of dungeons

Is it literally just the bloodsurge nerf?

[toxic geyser]

Yeah woof, all over it I see

[warm plinth]

@ionic fern we did a sub 1 hour 😮

50-60

[strong forum]

That's hilarious

[warm plinth]

13 to go

[cobalt seal]

The record is 27m

With people saying the average is like 35-45

[warm plinth]

idc what the record is really. I'm happy with around an hour

I'm not speedrunning. Just doing my challenge

[open gazelle]

Wow I never noticed thunderous words wtf

[jagged pier]

reading hard

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-boipepe-sighpepe-stare-gif-12361497

[open gazelle]

Very

[cobalt seal]

Toxic

[jagged pier]

no im dyslexic reading actually is hard

[open gazelle]

I’ll probably take that later on in DF, I’ll take reduced shockwave at the start when everyone is still learning dungeons and mechanics

[cobalt seal]

Yes yes. We know you play pwar no need to "invent" stuff

[open gazelle]

TR over spear path tho u right

[jagged pier]

RUDE

[cobalt seal]

Yes

[iron ravine]

yo guys, quick question

is there a macro to swap between stances? for example by just pressing 1 button i can toggle between battle and def stance

[jagged pier]

[iron ravine]

oh shit i must've missed it, thanks bro =]

[uncut notch]

do you guys actually bother swapping? the 20% DR is huge and the 3% crit seemed so minor it never seemed worth swapping, have i missed something?

Oh wait Def stance has a 10% output reduction

hmmmmm

tbf tho my entire prepatch experience has been doing batshit quad pulls just to see if its actually possible to die

so not had much use for battle stance

[jagged pier]

theres no need for dstance in pre patch

unless your doing like 32s+

well thats changed yesterday i guess

but still not much use for it

[uncut notch]

nah mostly just fucking around in 20-25s

[jagged pier]

so being in dstance is pointless

[uncut notch]

only came back to pwar for prepatch and too lazy to properly push

[cobalt seal]

Still doesnt explain the 100% uptime on dstance

You can prob do those pulls with battle

[crimson furnace]

dudes and sexy ladies, what race are u people going as prot warris? horde

thank you!

[jovial wedge]

I'm going Orc

[crimson furnace]

solid

[jovial wedge]

but not sure if it's the most optimal

[crimson furnace]

female orc animations are top tier

[ivory briar]

actually i am body type 2 b11. But i don't like the ears clipping through my helmets 🙂

[visual birch]

Goblin because Goblin.

[blazing condor]

Panda gang

[vale bloom]

b11

[acoustic grotto]

Dwarf ! Oh wait isn't horde ?

[uneven mason]

Irony - leveling dungeons are tuned horribly and harder than M10

[lavish oracle]

I played cata heroics 😛

[sage plume]

hi folks, I'll be main tanking as a prot warrior for DF and haven't figured out exactly how block works (mechanically/technically speaking). Is there a good resource to read about that? Sorry if I missed a link about that - cheers ✌️

i should add that i've played dps/heal for years but never tanked (i raid at HM level, so nothing crazy, but not full casual either)

[uneven mason]

Yeah, it's not so bad on most of the other tanks but my brewmaster was getting destroyed

But yes, that's about approprite, the scaling on cata heroics

[lavish oracle]

Isn't brew kinda suffering in general atm?

Or has that been blown out of proportion

[uneven mason]

They're very CD reliant but do insane DPS

Honestly, I'd say they're highly reliant on having externals because what they have isn't enough.

However their damage makes up for it in alot of situations, just not where they have a single large magic tankbuster

[severe hatch]

Kul-Tiran. Tanks should be chonky

[uneven mason]

There always has to be a "Squishier" tank, and BRM just happens to be that tank this go around.

[uneven mason]

Block is

[lavish oracle]

Kind of unusual for brew, seems like, I'm used to them being the safe pick

[uneven mason]

I think they wanted to change that

it's been the "fallback no brainer" for too long.

Now we're the fallback no brainer

[acoustic grotto]

that was the guardian role too, isn't it ? xD

[strong forum]

Rule of thumb is:
-need to face the target to block, you have like a 180° angle which is considered your front
-block is damage reduction based on block value, it doesn't negate dmg
-block relies on block chance (SB grants 100%, having more than 100% block doesn't do anything extra)
-physical attacks are mostly blockable, only very specific physical abilities are not blockable, anything that is a swing/smash/hurl/shoot animation with a weapon/fist is usually blockable

[uneven mason]

Bears always had buttons

[lavish oracle]

Love to have no brain

[uneven mason]

Brewmaster during BFA you could literally just NOT PRESS BUTTONS and do fine

[lavish oracle]

Ask Mr. Robot used to have a good article about the math of block/block value but I can't seem to find it

[uneven mason]

You don't even need to think about the math, it's just an additional armor table

[lavish oracle]

(It was a little outdated but still mostly relevant)

[sage plume]

thanks! May I ask how critical blocks work? Does it simply increase the amount of dmg you mitigate based on your block value?

[strong forum]

Crit block is literally just block x2

[uneven mason]

doubles it

[strong forum]

Caps out at 85%

[uneven mason]

All mitigation caps at 85%

rather armor mitigation*

[lavish oracle]

I kinda like knowing the math, though all you really need to know is that our damage reduction from block changes based on the content we're doing

[crimson furnace]

@strong forum what race are u pl;aying on ur warr??

[acoustic grotto]

I didnt know the math, i dont think i wanted to know but now i'm glad/happy to know. Thanks

[strong forum]

Dorf

[sage plume]

alright! thanks for the help guys 🙂

🙏

[uneven mason]

He's a Mechanognome

Or you'd think the amouhnt of time you see him in JY

[strong forum]

Is just a comfy key

[uneven mason]

and lets you pad for 100k on trog king

[strong forum]

That's just a positive side effect

👼

Wdym 3k rage per minute

Nanah, ethical gaming

[uneven mason]

rest of group dead...Nom doin 100k DPS, full health..

😄

[acoustic grotto]

pwar life it seem

[strong forum]

Who cares about explosives

[uneven mason]

Wonder why we got nerfed

[strong forum]

Just leech on 35 targets

[uneven mason]

[acoustic grotto]

(I was dreaming about an evoker tank spec release at the last second)

[strong forum]

No

They can't figure out 6 tanks

Let's not add a 7th

[acoustic grotto]

you probably right xD

[cobalt seal]

Rest of the group?

[raven hatch]

anyone got a good tracker for nathrezim claws?

turns out they oneshot in any key above 31, so now I need to make sure i'm tracking every god damn one

[stark jewel]

Hi all, had a quick question, during avatar, should I only SS -> TC as long as TC procs SS? cause sometimes during avatar this happens where I can just chain SS into TC, but that means I completely overcap on rage. Should I still be dumping rage with revenge or is TC on cd just better during avatar?

[uncut notch]

From memory SS is always prio, you will always get some level of rage waste just try to keep it as low as possible, around 5% is like, very good

[acoustic grotto]

You can juste throw your rage in IP in you'll get cap very fast i think