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strong forum
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but the very first pull is always spicy

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especially AA

mellow quartz
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usually charge the left add, tc and instead of leaping then running into 2nd pack to have a chance to build up more rage

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group is always behind anyway

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was leaping into 2nd pack earlier but that was a bad move I found

pallid quiver
strong forum
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yes it works like that

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it barley changes anything

pallid quiver
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huh

strong forum
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literally changes nothing since youll send it in melee range

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almost all of the time

pallid quiver
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Something something reprisal still lives

strong forum
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the travel time of walking out to charge back in

pallid quiver
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I could see uses in trash packs with casters, but that's about it

strong forum
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is bigger than a gcd

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same

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100%

pallid quiver
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Missing the banner speed buff'll make it good chuno harder to, yeah, that

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Honestly yeah, same

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I forget it has a stun, anyway

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It also makes sense just in terms of the amount of stuff it brings with just one button press. Stun + damage + rage base is pretty solid for a 45s cd

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which is why get rid of the stun

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and give me it off the gcd

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it was fun that way

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im probably at least poking the scaly gang so i can see how they go about doing things

steep condor
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i'm looking for a lvl 50 dungeon spamming build - think it'd be ok to just pick the lvl 60 one in the pins and work my way towards it as i lvl up?

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thx - can you remind me of something - we don't ever use slam or ww right?

zealous willow
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is it real that maxx and other guys rank druid as best tank atm ? :X

warm plinth
steep condor
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thx again

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yah rend from the talent with thudnerclap right?

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love that 🙂

warm plinth
steep condor
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in the dorki vid for m+ he said it was number 2 so i can see others saying its number 1

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luckily im not in a world first, second or even 1000th guild so it doesn't matter

crude notch
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Dorki's vid was purely M+. This tier list Max is doing is both

lavish sleet
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That was before massive 30% damdge buff

crude notch
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No it wasn't

crude notch
steep condor
crude notch
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S

steep condor
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oh great - so getting invited to pugs will still be fine 🙂

crude notch
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spooked to see warriors?

strong forum
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👻

rugged root
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Is prot a good tank to start tanking semi competitively for mythic +?

strong forum
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Yes

rugged root
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If I don’t normally tank but want to this expac

strong forum
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Pwar is very easy in DF

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And solid across the board

rugged root
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So I can stop being a zug zug dps every expac

steep condor
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i chose warrior as my main about 2 months ago - with no sight of the future. It's lovely to see how well it is seems like it will do! 🙂

crude notch
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huhh

rugged root
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I’m normally Uber competitive

pallid quiver
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Tank mechanics by and large aren't too difficult by themselves; it's leveraging pace, positioning, and resources effectively that's the hard part

rugged root
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Got it

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I don’t wanna get shitted on mid dungeon 😭

honest hazel
pallid quiver
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well, as long as you have the basic rotation down and don't die,

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Any shit you get can safely be ignored

honest hazel
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Getting shitted on will happen no matter what you do just smile and move on.

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Unless your with a set group of people

somber shell
# rugged root Got it

you should watch a video or two to see how a tank pulls and positions.. you want to be predictable, be smart about pull size, and don't move unecessarily to help with DPS uptime

honest hazel
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Pugs are just mean because internet anonymity took my 9 year old through a dungeon yesterday and they tried to kick her for not knowing a dungeon at level 30

pallid quiver
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People will notoriously give shit for even incorrect things

honest hazel
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Yep

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Just smile and kill them with love ❤️

cunning turret
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As a tank you just accidentally not grab it all if they’re high threat

pallid quiver
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nah just kite shit on to them and go "oops my b"

honest hazel
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Lol

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Maybe if I wasn't trying to teach my kid good values haha

cunning turret
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Lol never too early to learn pay back

honest hazel
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Luckily I've tanked since this game has been out and my wife always heals so easy peasy 😂

lusty sundial
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The updated notes make this a little confusing

image.png
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so it's 7% then? seems odd to not just remove the the one that's no longer relevant

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Or strikethrough it

bold wave
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so did we get another nerf on p2 prepatch?

lusty sundial
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i think it matches beta. they just didn't compile the notes all at once

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Developers like copy pasting. they didn't want to have it say reduced to 7% (was 15%) 😄

wary heath
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anyone have a nice shield block WA for keeping an eye on the timer ?

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or equivalent

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what do y'all use

pallid quiver
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a bar with an icon i built

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^^^

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i'm dumb with color coding things so i use numbers

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and a moving bar

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if bar small press block

warm plinth
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Servers are up NA

pallid quiver
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Definitely an example that you should probably build your own using the built-in W-

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LET ME IIIIIIIIIN

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ye they up

slender wedge
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can anyone share the talents

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for this phase of prepatch

wary heath
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i would just go the non legendary, M+ / ST pinned builds

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for now!

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to get used to it anyway

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have the new positions for those talents swapped on live yet ?

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they are different now right

fast knot
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Stuck in loading screen boss sadge

junior trench
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Cant even parse on this shitty boss

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Sb uptime 0%

pallid quiver
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im dwagon

oak echo
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i made the fatal error of going to ZM

hollow token
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What’s wrong there?

slow shale
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DragonFest 2022

oak echo
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got stuck in loading screen infinite loop so i just alt f4d and made my evoker lol

lime granite
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No slam, ww or rend on action bars?

slow shale
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PatrickTakeThemAndPutThemOverHereMeme.jpg

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Nope dont need em!

lime granite
spark agate
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so tomorrow we can exp the warr tank from 50 to 60 and 60 to 70 with DF right?

honest hazel
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You should be able to go to 60 now but correct can't level to 70 until expac launches on the 28th.

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28th/29th depending on region

outer thorn
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xp required to level from 50 to 60 will be drastically lowered in phase 2 though, with some accounts reporting less than 2h levelling from 50-60

warm plinth
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Well, it's lowered going forward to be clear

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It's not just a phase 2 thing

strange lake
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With the flat magic reduction with spell reflection is it even worth to fish for specific spells to actually reflect them?
Or should it just be be kept on cooldown when you are targeted by a spell?

crude notch
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Great news @warm plinth it works. I was able to pick threads on my dragussy

warm plinth
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e.g. I'm not gonna use a spell reflect on the slime aoe damage in Junkyard if there's also a monstrosity in the pull because reflecting consume is massive

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Er, a monstrosity coming soon*

strange lake
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So its pretty situational, depending on the pack that you are on/ which is coming up

warm plinth
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Right. But better safe than sorry I'd say. If you don't have that knowledge, using it on magic damage is better than not using it when there's magic damage

spark agate
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For prot ripresal or unbrekable will?

wary heath
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Don't craft a legendary lol

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Let SL die

hollow token
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Another question on spell reflect - do I have to actively target the baddie casting the spell to reflect it?

warm plinth
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No you do not

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It will reflect the first reflectable spell to reach you though, so keep that in mind if there are multiple things casting and you have a preference on what you reflect.

hollow token
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Perfect. ‘Preash

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Got it. Thanks.

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Is there any kind of visual feedback when a spell is reflected?

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Like a flash or something?

warm plinth
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It makes a sound but honestly I can't really describe what it sounds like. It sounds like a spell being reflected 😂

sand kettle
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Like a whip

hollow token
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Okay I’m pretty sure I’ve heard it then.

tired forge
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Is the Salvaged Mekacycle good now? jsut got it in the chest

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and unsure if i should take it

warm plinth
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If it's higher than your shield, take it. If it's the same ilevel or lower, take something else.

tired forge
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its way higher, but i could take something else

warm plinth
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Definitely take it then

vast zodiac
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hey, i was just making some weak auras for my prot warrior, and i found what i think is a bug with Violent Outburst. When you thunderclap at 7 stacks of Seeing Red, you trigger the Violent outburst immediately, but you dont get the 200% dmg increase on thunder clap. and it doesnt seem to give the ekstra rage too. but you gain the Ignore Pain. Is this a known bug? ive not seen it mentioned anywhere?

warm plinth
pallid quiver
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I dunno, didja check the pins for known bugs?

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though at least one of those is supposed to be fixed as of today

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You also don't get the rage when that happens, which is more detrimental

vast zodiac
cinder nova
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THOSE FUCKERS

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They moved sidearm and barbaric

mellow quartz
vast zodiac
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EU

mellow quartz
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Ok good

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Was afraid they somehow fucked it up on NA after the patch.

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Which would be strange since it’s been fixed on beta for weeks

severe hatch
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So these bloodsurge nerfs went through? Feeling the reduced rage gen today

mellow quartz
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That’s what the notes say

severe hatch
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Can't read; only bonk

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Kind of thinking of going TL/BV for banner uptime

cinder nova
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You don't need to to keep banner up anyway

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But yeah, that's the DPS spec

severe hatch
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DPS spec is Show of Force / ITF

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With the rage gen nerf I am not 100% that you can keep banner up in ST without BV/TL

cinder nova
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You take SoF in your cov

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Don't be a dink

severe hatch
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Please feel free to compare the conduit to the talent

cinder nova
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Well, you see - something about having both TL and SoF is probably better than just one or the other.

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But go ahead, do less DPS.

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You also can keep banner up with just BV and 2p

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So, TL is unnecessary.

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Because - you know - nobody was using it in the first weeks of SFO when our tier became the tech that opened up NL viability

severe hatch
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Who is talking about not taking Violent Outburst?

cinder nova
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Bro what planet are you on.

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You take SoF in your Cov and TL in your spec. BV and Outburst is enough to keep up banner, not keeping it up is just bad play.

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Then you have your cake and eat it too. We can make harder choices when Covs are outmoded

cobalt seal
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So tbf

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If you pop banner on st

severe hatch
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I feel like you've misunderstood me; before the most recent patch I did not take BV and maintained Banner without it. I was literally just speculating that I now need BV to keep it up in single target

cobalt seal
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You gonna have some trouble keeping it

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However. You should have enough banner banked from aoe

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To survive the st

severe hatch
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Some of us are still raiding baby

cinder nova
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??? We were keeping it up with less rage than we have now

cobalt seal
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Motes exist

cobalt seal
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Because he himself told st banner was harder

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

cinder nova
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I haven't had any outstanding issues. The only time it drops is when I'm overprioritizing builders and not spending.

cobalt seal
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Like i said

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You shouldnt have problems in m+ due to aoe banking

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And since motes exist in raid

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Pad

cinder nova
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I actually have more problems maintaining rage w/motes because the aff lock keeps blowing them up before rend ticks

severe hatch
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I would have to agree, my DPS kills motes after at most 1 dot tick

cobalt seal
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Get worst dps

cinder nova
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Having to turn on my brain to have Ava for motes is toxic

severe hatch
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Fck I'm inting myself all along

sly yarrow
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Hi guys, long time ago i don play, im warrior protec forever, i only play this class, so in you opinion, is viable now?

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for raid and dungeons?

honest hazel
sly yarrow
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i just play warrior protection in 12 years

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and thee last exp is not viable

honest hazel
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Any time!

weary notch
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aww, they put Shield Charge on the CGD. Oh well

warm plinth
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I think it's only on GCD if you don't charge if I understand it correctly

weary notch
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I used to be able to weave it inbetween say, shield slam and revenge

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can't do that anymore

warm plinth
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Yeah, if you're in melee range, it would be on GCD

weary notch
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oh oh

warm plinth
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But the way they worded it, if you use it to charge in or otherwise move, it doesn't trigger the GCD?

weary notch
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I didn't try that

warm plinth
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Let me know if you do. I haven't had a chance to check it yet

weary notch
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you're right - doesn't trigger GCD if you open with it

warm plinth
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Nifty

urban portal
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you dont want to use it at range

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but yea

warm plinth
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Why's that?

honest hazel
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Pretty sure you open with it unless somethings changed?

urban portal
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because it wouldnt be amplified by your CDs

honest hazel
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Getting sb up and all the rage right off the bat is more important

urban portal
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and you are losing out on the opportunity cost of your regular charge

mellow quartz
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If you go into a pull completely naked you can open with SC as you will have a harder time getting SB up. If you have resources use regular charge and use SB after demo shout and/or when grouped.

urban portal
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regular charge and shield charge give the same rage

mellow quartz
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SC gives SB

warm plinth
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Shield charge gives you shield block with the talent

urban portal
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unless you take reprisal

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yeah

honest hazel
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No your getting an additional 20 rage

warm plinth
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and more rage

honest hazel
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Yes you would always take that

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That's why you should open with it so you aren't being smashed

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And you have excess rage

onyx vessel
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But what he is saying charge in then instantly shield charge

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So you gain more

urban portal
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yes

warm plinth
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I don't disagree with that. Just clarifying that you do get shield block from siheld charge

urban portal
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charge into shield charge

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is what you should be doing

knotty idol
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You can use demo shout while you charge at the pack and get the bonus dmg on impact right?

honest hazel
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With it on the global your leaving your self open to unmitigated damage

urban portal
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not if you charge into shield charge?

warm plinth
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Demo shout's range isn't that great

mellow quartz
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If you SC during charge it can bug

onyx vessel
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Charge has to get to the target

urban portal
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of course you would wait until it connects

honest hazel
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Yeah your being hit still

warm plinth
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Bug in what way?

urban portal
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you can also charge-demo shout and SB-SC

onyx vessel
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Just no point to shield charge in

mellow quartz
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The whole reason nome said to open with SC is to avoid the first unmitigated melee hits.

honest hazel
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I gusss it depends on the key level your doing on beta I've found charging in first leaves me open to unmitigated hits

urban portal
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i agree with that

honest hazel
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Correct alyrion that's what I was seeing as well

urban portal
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higher damage vs higher safety

honest hazel
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In testing anyway on beta not on live

urban portal
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its like losing a revenge proc for more SB uptime with reprisal in SL

honest hazel
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You could charge first sure but if your tanking higher keys it is dangerous

mellow quartz
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I haven’t found it a big issue yet myself as I use regular charge but at some point in high keys it might be.

warm plinth
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Could you not use both simultaneously?

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Theoretically

honest hazel
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You can't use SC until after you charged in so if your charging into a group of say 5 or 6 mobs you will be hit a few times before you can sb

knotty idol
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Just pop ava and demo shout while you shield charge xeos

honest hazel
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Now yeah demo can help but again you have to be in melee range for demo

mellow quartz
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You wanna hit stuff with demo shout after it’s grouped.

honest hazel
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It's really min-max what you are trying to accomplish though not saying what your saying is wrong raid

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Just think depending on key level and the actual mobs you may want to be safer up front

onyx vessel
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Or just run 5 prot warriors in a key

honest hazel
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Haha

onyx vessel
honest hazel
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That could work gigchad mode 😂💪🏼

onyx vessel
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Probably

honest hazel
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A lot of this discussion is so subjective as well though like if your running a mid 20 key things hurt a lot more then a 10

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So I don't think there is a wrong answer just depends on the content your doing

onyx vessel
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Watch them make it so you need someone in healer spec to do a key

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Blizzard hates fun so wouldnt surprise me if they ever did that

honest hazel
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haha hey give them some credit they are doing some good things in dragonflight finally!

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The bloodsurge nerf wasn't one of them but our tree is still awesome

limpid pawn
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healers getting exposed this week

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did 28JY, healer coulnd't heal basic slimes, and basic mechanics from last boss - blames route

sand pebble
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Have to blame someone

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Either the pug hunter or the tank

mellow quartz
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Is the 40% sta and damage change on live now?

honest hazel
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Nope dragonflight

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And at level 70

mellow quartz
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Then what was that other guy talking abt with ‘healers getting exposed’ if nothing changed.

honest hazel
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I believe on live they added Deepening Bond in at 60 which increases stamina at level 60 to offset the power gained from the talents.

limpid pawn
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i guess things were the same as before - I guess I meant "I just played with a sub-par healer"

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him getting exposed sounds better though in my head

mellow quartz
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Would only be ‘exposed’ if he was somehow pretending to be good but wasn’t.

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Otherwise he would just be a bad player being bad lol

warm plinth
mellow quartz
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Somehow doubt that. Source?

limpid pawn
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yes was bad

honest hazel
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Yeah the mythic+ change is definitely not in yet so might of just been a bad night for that healer 😭

warm plinth
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copy that

oak echo
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new scaling is absolutely in

quiet crane
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Holy moly

limpid pawn
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wait what

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so new scaling is in?

cobalt seal
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Yes

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And mobs hit harder on m0

limpid pawn
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so mobs are doing 40% more damage?

cobalt seal
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Because they using lvl 63 scaling for some reason

cobalt seal
warm plinth
limpid pawn
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like is a high key harder now than it was 2 days ago?

warm plinth
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yes

cobalt seal
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Yes

limpid pawn
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how so

warm plinth
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See the image above

brittle fjord
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Everything hits harder

warm plinth
limpid pawn
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roughly how much harder is a key now?

warm plinth
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332% is the old +21 scaling

limpid pawn
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like a 28 now is like a ____ before?

warm plinth
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428% is the new +21 scaling

brittle fjord
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Bosses this week on fort are hitting harder same key lvl last week on tyran

mellow quartz
warm plinth
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A +28 is probably like a 31.5ish

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Maybe 32

mellow quartz
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A 26 is a tiny bit under a 30

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And a 20 was a 22.5

limpid pawn
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got you

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so basically getting IO is dead now lol

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if you had io from before this week you'll feel godly

mellow quartz
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2 weeks to launch. IO has been pretty pointless all prepatch tbh.

limpid pawn
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uh...

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did they just hotfix/nerf this on the fly just now?

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the group effect is gone

safe shale
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It's been gone for weeks on beta.

warm plinth
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Yeah it was coming. They replaced the aoe one with that

paper coral
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Uldaman is a great catchup dungeon

stiff nexus
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Hey, prot war has been the only tank class I have never played. I am wondering if it is something I should pick up for dragonflight and play the first season

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I play a lot of high M+

neon elk
paper coral
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just normal

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its the quest dungeon

neon elk
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On normal, that means u can spam it ? Xd

paper coral
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I think so?

open gazelle
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with conq banner going away, do we still want barbaric training or do i take sidearm over it? hard to get both with my build

hollow token
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me too.... and im running dungeons with 4 each

fast knot
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pipes kick free zone let the dragon tales gunner squad go ham

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Real talk though is it a talent they have to make the effort to choose?

paper coral
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How good is aegis for us?

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I can get it from vault.

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265

fast knot
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Haven't made a scaleyboi yet to really screw around with it

limpid pawn
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a +29 from this week is a ____ from last week?

mortal brook
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deplete

west inlet
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29

blazing condor
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could be that you get hit in the back by mobs or similar

warm plinth
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can you link the log

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or DM it ot me

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to

blazing condor
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you have 76% blocked hits with a 93% uptime on shield block

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so you should have more blocked hits

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but it doesnt look that bad tbh

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you could probably have some more casts per minute

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also literallytrash

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some other dudes who actually have been playing the game can probably tell you more stuff

ionic fern
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You are definitely getting smacked in the back.

blazing condor
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yeah you hover over melee hits

warm plinth
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Yeah Im' looking at it and you are definitely getting smacked in the back a lot

limpid anchor
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Bcs your cpm is low :)

warm plinth
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Just on the first page of melees with SB filtered, you took 171 melees. You parried 25 times, you were missed 6 times, and you blocked 101 times for a total of 132 out of 171

limpid anchor
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Ah well, low ilvl and uldaman, so not sure anymore

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But revenge could be higher, at least if you had more rage

blazing condor
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i feel like you do too much damage with TC but maybe thats what you do now

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did you play with outburst? forgot

limpid anchor
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Oi

onyx vessel
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No indom

limpid anchor
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Yea but that’s scuffed

onyx vessel
limpid anchor
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But play what you like, doesn’t matter anyway

onyx vessel
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So not keys

blazing condor
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just make sure you dont get slapped in the back

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and ur gucci

ionic fern
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?

warm plinth
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Pretty much all of the tier bonuses are really low key

urban portal
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every tier set is underwhelming

warm plinth
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Which is realistically how they should be for a first tier tier set which we haven't had in a very long time

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Especially since we basically just revamped how every spec works with the new old talent trees

urban portal
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look at arms and fury

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they dont do anything

warm plinth
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I'd expect the subsequent sets to be a lot more like what you're used to

blazing condor
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at least we get several pieces with haste

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more important than vers

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but yea ideally it'd be haste/vers

warm plinth
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Because the other two specs use the same set.

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Arms is a crit/mastery spec I believe. And fury doesn't hate crit either, though they're more haste/mastery

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@ionic fern hi ily

ionic fern
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We like crit.

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It's fine.

warm plinth
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I like all the stats. I am an equal opportunity statter

ionic fern
lavish sleet
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god I really hope the IP bug with brutal vitality gets bugged

naive laurel
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might b a dumb question but if i HAD to play a dps spec while maining prot, which dps spec is looking like to have somewhat of the same stats?

lavish sleet
naive laurel
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gotcha, tyvm

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guild wont let me tank but i wanna tank keys so ive gotta get the fkn weaps n shit

lavish sleet
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But honestly you if your not doing high end mythic play what you prefer between fury and arms. farming 1 extra weapon is nothing in comparision too playing a spec you dont like

visual parrot
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Is it worth macroing IP so I just keep spamming it? Do you people have it macroed?

mortal brook
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separate binds for spenders cuz efficient use gonna be better cuz you dont wanna find yourself starved at the wrong time

visual parrot
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Thanks. Was also my concern. My friend just told me i should macro it.

jagged pier
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u basically cant macro things for prot

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expect like charge and intervene

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and u can macro SS after IP but u still need a seperate bind for SS

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that macro only works when u get a SS proc as u need to dumb rage

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so u dumb it into ip then insta use SS and u dont miss the proc

elder yew
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wait ........ what do you mean "you people"?

neon elk
warm plinth
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It functions as an external defensive for other members of your party.

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As an example, it's really good in Halls of Valor on Fenryr. You can use it on the Scent of Blood target and just soak all the damage so they can stand there and keep DPSing.

blazing condor
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If anything i like using it for movement

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If someone is ahead of me when we’re walking to the next packs

limpid anchor
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It doesn’t give you more dmg :<

warm plinth
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Same with fights like the fixate dude in Necrotic Wake before 3rd boss, you can intervene them and they can keep attacking

blazing condor
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Yeah theres a few intervene SR combos you can do

#

Couldnt you intervene SR the belch from 1st boss in NW?

warm plinth
#

I would say possibly?

#

It was dodgeable so it's not entirely outside the realm of possibility

blazing condor
#

Im p sure thats what people would do

visual parrot
hazy thicket
raven hatch
#

how do I get it off my screen

jagged pier
#

disable anyway WA to do with the vault

mortal brook
# raven hatch

/run LoadAddOn("Blizzard_WeeklyRewards"); WeeklyRewardsFrame:Show()

warm plinth
mortal brook
#

no u

pale roost
#

is codex good for warriors?

cobalt seal
#

bis at being trash

pale roost
#

sweet. sockets it is then

pale roost
#

the thingh drppoing for making heirloom trinket. are they not 100% dropps?

cobalt seal
#

Prob not

pale roost
#

killed one of the lords no dropp. wonder what the dropp chance are

mortal brook
#

Very not

#

On my 5th water kill

fallen lichen
#

So u can kill it multiple times a day?

jagged pier
#

is it a new heirloom trinket?

#

fuck sake it is

vagrant ingot
#

how does the latest rage generation nerf feel btw? referring to bloodsurge to 7% and war machine (possibly another that I cant seem to recall). Couldnt really find a stickied post/topic

lyric elm
#

It just feels slower

#

Doesn't matter that much because prot is high apm

vagrant ingot
#

I can live with that. as long as it does not result in losing aggro because you cannot revenge, or losing surv because you cannot IP

lyric elm
zealous willow
#

I dont know if any1 of u leveling alts and noticed , but atm scaling is fucked up a lot and dungeons at 20-60 lvl feels like m15

lyric elm
#

Yeah same for me

#

Blizzard and broken releases, name a more iconic duo

ornate thunder
#

Blizzard and sexual assault?

vagrant ingot
lyric elm
hollow token
#

That and it seems like evokers can’t get into M+ dungeons from legacy content

queen latch
#

pls stop nerfing prot blizz

hollow token
#

Wut

jade pulsar
#

We got nerfed?

mellow quartz
#

Compared to live yes, compared to everything already known on beta no.

#

Was just all the beta changes being rolled into live.

jade pulsar
#

Gucci, thought i missed something new since the TC and revenge nerf announced last week

silk pine
#

Hey I tried prot Warrior today without Banner and he feels really weird to play with the recent Rage nerfs. Does it get better with more talentpoints or probably even worse with less haste?

ionic fern
#

Diddn't feel horrible to me. 🤷

strong forum
#

rage nerfs are noticable, losing banner is noticable

#

its still a 70cpm spec on beta with normal raid ilvl

#

but its noticably slower at 70

tropic magnet
#

Gonna miss prepatch banner, been a lot of fun

strong forum
#

rage nerf is ~10% less rage in m+ and losing banner is a whopping 25%

#

but we do get alot of aoe dmg cuz of ravager sc and tr

#

so it wont be feel as bad

tropic magnet
#

Fair

silk pine
#

ok in Comparision to Shadowlands Warrior it took alot of speed, probably I just need to
get used to it.

severe hatch
#

There will definitely be an adjustment period after prepatch

#

Happy to report that I was still able to maintain banner in raid

strong forum
#

the nerf isnt as big in ST

#

youll just play instigate instead

honest hazel
#

@warm plinth I'm not sure what happened but this morning running a key did in fact have the new m+ scaling for some reason. Even though blizzard said it was a dragonflight adjustment 🤷🏽‍♂️

mellow quartz
#

Your talents etc are also a DF adjustment and you have them in prepatch 🤷‍♂️

honest hazel
#

Right but your not level 70 with 10 more talent points nor do you have access to the new progression rewards of m+

strong forum
#

u sure m+ has the scaling

#

and its not placebo from going from tyr to fort?

cobalt seal
#

Yes

strong forum
#

lmoa

cobalt seal
#

Its confirmed nome

honest hazel
#

Yeah the increase is shown when you put the key in 😂

#

With the new scaling numbers

strong forum
#

kek

honest hazel
#

Just did a 21 and it said 428% increase lol

cobalt seal
honest hazel
#

I mean what your saying Isnt wrong alyrion but it really shouldn't be in for pre patch lol

strong forum
#

pog

#

keys hard again

honest hazel
#

But it's what 10 days away

#

Yeah honestly as a tank i felt fine but definitely a challenge for everyone else if they play sloppy lots of one shots lol

lusty tiger
#

Everyone is dying during my pulls rip

#

I group the mobs and my whole party is running back

sick sentinel
#

dont need content so stressfull causes hemroid some shit

minor helm
#

Just play lower keys?

sick sentinel
#

i did for a while, mightlay wow in df might not

minor helm
#

Fair enough

sick sentinel
#

excited to see it launch, but been playing 2 full expanaions now, im a bit burnt out

#

bfa started solid, had officer gm assist in that guild

ionic fern
#

Diddn't you quit like 5 times now?

#

🤔

sick sentinel
#

but friendships... fade....

#

i was on wow for 100% of bfa no quits

#

quit when prot warrior was dogshit in keys, quit 9.1 after couldnt get ksm without giving myself a hemmoroid

#

9.2 did ksm, quit, 9,3 ksm, quit

paper coral
#

Am I correct in assuming that the wowhead guide for 9.2.5 is tailored more for progression, hence the trinket recommendations. Would RDM be higher prio for a dinar now over OWS since it's more damage?

sick sentinel
#

unsubbed like once

ionic fern
strong forum
#

rdm is the single strongest tank trinket rn

sick sentinel
#

in 9.0?

ionic fern
#

It was just you playing suboptimally and horribly which we pointed out like 50 times but you refused to improve.

strong forum
#

i did a 14 week 1 with 190 ilvl

sick sentinel
#

well, we were also legitimatwly being ranked as c d f tier

strong forum
#

of 9.0

#

like

ionic fern
strong forum
#

and it was a group effort to deplete the key, not a "but pwar weak" thing

#

just like all of m+ is a group effort

#

not a singular classes fault

cobalt seal
#

@ionic fern why do you even try to have a logical convo with yogi

sick sentinel
#

i dunno what tank but i can tell you after playing all of them id probably be way happier on dh or dk

strong forum
#

which is fine

limpid anchor
#

Then go!

cobalt seal
#

No go

#

No

sick sentinel
#

protection warrior seems cool and useful

ionic fern
limpid anchor
#

But ksm was easy also as prot war in 9 and 9.1

cobalt seal
#

(He cant play anything properly tbf)

ocean bloom
#

if you cant play Prot War well good luck on DK or DH monkaS

grave crane
#

It was pretty chill in 9.1 forward

sick sentinel
#

it just i dunno, you can do things as bdk vdh you simply cannot as warrior

ionic fern
grave crane
cobalt seal
ionic fern
sick sentinel
#

im not crazy about bear tank paladin is kind of cool monk sort of stunk

grave crane
#

But if your talking big pulls and shit you can 100% do the same content

solid sun
#

Warriors get shields. Try using a shield as a dh or dk

sick sentinel
#

boneshield

#

thats a shield

solid sun
#

That's not a real shield

grave crane
#

If your not enjoying warrior fine a class you are enjoying?

#

Find a class*

solid sun
#

Can't shield slam with those bones. They'd break.

ionic fern
#

Also, Yogi, you are doing 15's....if you fail at those or feel like you can't do something on class X that you can do on class Y then it's 100% not the class. Not even trying to be rude but it's a player issue not the class issue.

sick sentinel
#

then why is it called shield if it doesnt function as shield and block dmg kappa

paper coral
solid sun
#

No, it's tombstone

#

Not shield slam

paper coral
#

its boneshield slam.

plush tendon
#

wait, are you saying BDK should use slam?

sick sentinel
#

i came back to wow after quiting for 2.5 expansions

#

i just remembered having fun on warrior and put my self in a little hole all of bfa only pwar

grave crane
#

Find a class you enjoy but pwar has been good since 9.0.5 when we got reprisal and necrolord rework

sick sentinel
#

its like, why the fuck jhave i only been talking anout toons i leveled the past 2 months and not having good time with pwar

cobalt seal
#

Then dont play pwar

sick sentinel
#

i think the amount i talked about alts extremely clear how drained and burnt out i was

cobalt seal
#

Literally noone cares for what you play

grave crane
#

Yeah dude just play what you enjoy

solid sun
#

Don't let your alts be alts

#

It's DF babyyyyy

paper coral
#

for RDM, "lethal" attack means one that would kill you, or just anything?

sick sentinel
#

im not going to adress people saying i was playing shiity though

#

doesnt mean i d9nt b3lieve it, just im so far beyond if i did good or bad now

cobalt seal
#

Honestly that wasnt ever in question lol

grave crane
#

Yogi part of improving is self reflection and if your not gonna do that then you’ll never improve. Everyone plays bad when they’re learning

cobalt seal
#

Not yogi

#

You can tell yogi 100 times you doing x wrong

#

He will ignore you

sick sentinel
#

cro legit thinks i am toxic

cobalt seal
#

I dont

ionic fern
#

We've helped yogi sooooooooooooo many times.
Bullfango legit did a freaking video analysing one of his dungeon runs and pointing out ALL the mistakes.

#

And yogi goes "Nah."

minor helm
#

Bull owns

ionic fern
#

And then states "Prot warrior sucks".

#

Classic Yogi.

#

Never change.

sick sentinel
#

i didnt make alot of comments on the bullfango video

cobalt seal
#

I legit think you arent worth most of this people time

#

Thats what i think

odd tree
#

That video was pretty funny actually

solid sun
#

Lol that actually sounds terrifying.

#

I'd be so nervous if someone made a video out of analyzing my play

cobalt seal
#

Because by the looks of it people tried and tried and tried

#

To help you

#

And you said

#

Fuck you. I know better

paper coral
#

I'd love a video analyzing my play. Nothing could be worse than you guys asking me if I hit shield block by accident once.

cobalt seal
#

And ignored them

sick sentinel
#

buy 8f you noticed, i immeadiately afterwords stopped sharing logs and uplaoding youtube (private only that get r3moved for self advertising..... my chanel of 7 subs... with private links.............................)

cobalt seal
#

That doesnt solve the issue lol

#

You still ignore what other people tell you

sick sentinel
#

i didnt really say so but i watched th3 bull video like 5 times and then i gave u0

jagged pier
#

u then procecced to make claims like u werent wasting rage and still dying and @ionic fern found some logs thats showed other wise if i remeber correctly

#

like we are here to help if u come and ask for help which u did many times

ionic fern
jagged pier
#

and then refuse to listen

#

and keep doing the same stuff

#

i dont know what you want from us

#

🤷

sick sentinel
#

i remembsr one of the times i quit, was i hadnt uploaded a log, yet someone was still able to go online and find a log of me and then break it down all the bad things i did

#

i fpund it creepy that somekne can just pull shit up

ionic fern
#

😂

sick sentinel
#

and so i stoppdd for a while

#

i dont like that at all

jagged pier
#

I think i spent more time in SL helping u by looking at logs and videos giving u advice than everyone else combined and u just ignored it all,

ionic fern
#

Don't play then.

jagged pier
#

and then kept complaining about your party for group and not focusing on anything we told you

#

i actually gave up

#

like to me your a lost cause

#

i cant help you

solid sun
#

Can you help me

sick sentinel
#

thats fine

oblique garnet
wooden radish
#

@ionic fern HI

ionic fern
sick sentinel
#

i dont know why i can never give a fuck enough to listen and learn

cobalt seal
#

Dont trust linc

#

He wants pwar nerfed

wooden radish
ionic fern
wooden radish
#

poggers

cobalt seal
ionic fern
#

Are you a dragon healer?

cobalt seal
#

If you didnt want to listen

#

It makes no sense

sick sentinel
#

goal oreinted

#

brute force

ionic fern
#

What goal?
Pissing everyone on the discord off?

jagged pier
#

:monkahmmm:

#

:nodders:

odd tree
#

I mean, I got a laugh out of some of the vids

wooden radish
#

and yes pwar should be nerfed 🤷‍♂️

trail glacier
jagged pier
ionic fern
#

Naowh's tier list put us to F tier.

#

So it's settled.

#

We trash.

wooden radish
#

he did

odd tree
#

No longer viable

wooden radish
#

link me

sick sentinel
#

just comjng to cross road witg pwar

odd tree
#

Z tier

mighty grail
#

Scrolling trough this convo to find useful pwarrior tips is crazy atm

sick sentinel
#

lioe wtf am i doing with my time

oblique garnet
ionic fern
#

^

#

😄

jagged pier
#

bis way to do a tier list

wooden radish
#

the best way

ionic fern
#

Looks like Prot Pally needs a nerf.

sick sentinel
#

hopefully i can get into df warrior, or just even df

oblique garnet
zealous willow
#

retry s ?

trail glacier
oblique garnet
#

Wog should stay on GCD change my mind

jagged pier
# ionic fern

oh god ppl are reading the screen shot with no context

trail glacier
#

i think we re better off if paladin class gets entirely deleted from the game

ionic fern
jagged pier
mighty grail
ionic fern
#

Tbf..people are also reading tier lists without context.

#

So it's fine.

jagged pier
#

true

sick sentinel
#

i even do shit dps on alts, i dont kniw for sure, but possibpy its keybaord, my keyboard id start dying so i got a new actual better one coming

wooden radish
mellow quartz
sick sentinel
#

copium maybe, but worth a ahot and need new one anyways most likely

grave crane
#

Hell yeah I get to play another expansion of being “non meta” and shit on other people

#

Is this just your way of thinking through your thoughts yogi?

sick sentinel
wooden radish
jagged pier
wooden radish
#

@ionic fern hello

ionic fern
#

Hello

oblique garnet
ionic fern
#

What are we naming you?

wooden radish
ionic fern
#

OH

radiant magnet
#

reeee

ionic fern
#

I KNOW

radiant magnet
#

it's in his msg

sick sentinel
#

ill probably still come back to complain that keys are hard while doing them wrong

ionic fern
limpid anchor
odd tree
#

Maybe bull can review your vods

wooden radish
#

wtf

limpid anchor
zealous willow
#

rip @wooden radish

muted nexus
#

is df m+ scaling live?

wooden radish
#

this is mod abuse

limpid anchor
muted nexus
#

explains why everyone was getting trucked in a meme key

sick sentinel
wooden radish
#

this server is trash. i can't even change it back to default.

radiant magnet
#

that is the default now

zealous willow
ionic fern
sick sentinel
#

perfect name

#

buff prot warrior so much efen yogi can do it

limpid anchor
#

Wait you are mod for the hammer of wrath?

muted nexus
oblique garnet
limpid anchor
#

Didn’t know that people write stuff like that in about me

#

A very pally thing to do

sick sentinel
#

what would you want to see me learn people angry at yogi

#

that isnt do the things and play better advice

drifting fable
sick sentinel
#

thats like negative learning

oblique garnet
#

Dont drop shield block

jagged pier
#

well as this is the warrior discord and more specifically the prot warriro channel it has to be that

ionic fern
#

Easy. 🙂

jagged pier
#

or im just gunna delete the messages

sick sentinel
#

i never say its bad because i csnt play it

minor helm
sick sentinel
#

but okay

cobalt seal
ionic fern
jagged pier
#

one of stuff is fine

ionic fern
#

Can you actually delete my messages?

jagged pier
#

but yogis literally been posting about lvling every other class under the sun

strong forum
#

si

jagged pier
#

if he starts asking for advice

#

imma point him in the direction of those discords

#

if he still asks messages are gunna disappear

sick sentinel
#

yeah mindo f indicative that im no longer in love with it

paper coral
#

Jakey, can I go FC on him?

spiral mason
jagged pier
#

no idea what that means

paper coral
#

Can I be a toxic fuck.

sick sentinel
#

level and talk about one of every class under sun, both factions and wuit at literaly 2001 io for ksm mount

jagged pier
#

that will probably get u banned

#

so no

oblique garnet
paper coral
#

Well thats why I was asking. the answer is no.

#

So i'll keep my halo on. 😇

wintry nymph
#

xd

#

been a while

sick sentinel
#

its very clear that i haven been fesling this for months or probsbly a year

#

just i dunno

spiral mason
#

Then move on to something else?

minor helm
#

Yeah why be here then?

sick sentinel
#

i go to mage and say oh i like this talent, no your wrong REEEEE ITS BAD

wintry nymph
#

you don't HAVE to play wow / prot warrior

sick sentinel
#

so, i dont feep welcome there at all

wintry nymph
#

then don't ask anyone what to play, and just play what you like

mighty grail
#

Can you just stop for a while, stop ✋ please

sick sentinel
#

cuz thats why

wintry nymph
#

Because if you ask feedback and then get your feelings hurt by it, it obviously doesn't work

#

especially in this discord there are a million ppl who wanna help you get better

#

But if you don't take criticism well its gonna be hard

sick sentinel
#

im an aries, not that im real acrual into astrology

lone eagle
#

@sick sentinel try VDH

sick sentinel
#

but thats an aries

lone eagle
#

They are a very loving discord and the spec is fun

limber temple
ionic fern
#

......

paper coral
#

VDH is a lot of fun.

ionic fern
#

What

#

The hell.

spiral mason
#

Lmao

ionic fern
#

Ok, lets stop

lone eagle
#

@cobalt seal is in the VDH Discord too, I'm sure he'd love to help you

sick sentinel
#

aries does this type of thing tends to be dumb fearless leader

limber temple
#

I just spat tea over my keyboard.

sick sentinel
#

so, hey it fits

minor helm
#

What are you leading

sick sentinel
#

my group to my doom eith my bullish tendencies

#

err bearish?

spiral mason
sick sentinel
#

probsbly both

cobalt seal
odd tree
#

This is great

paper coral
#

If you have bearish tendencies, maybe try druid?

tender berry
#

hi do anybody got a Charge Intervene mousover macro whet know modifirer

limpid anchor
#

It’s very difficult to tell troll from orc

sick sentinel
#

maybe, but ive always felt druids are wierd, nighht elves in general i find weird

lone eagle
#

Honestly it's really

#

really hard to fuck up bear

#

And don't play a Night Elf

#

play a Kul'tiran male

paper coral
#

Ye.

sick sentinel
#

nevsr rolled orc, never rolled, night elf, never rolled reg orc

lone eagle
#

Kul'tiran or Zandalari

limber temple
spiral mason
#

I remember when there was prot warrior talk in here sadge

ionic fern
oblique garnet
sick sentinel
#

id say ive n3ver rolled a gnome but thats a lie cuz of warloxk

#

and ywah thats from year 2004

lone eagle
#

Roll Kul'tiran Druid

oblique garnet
paper coral
#

imagine if Dracthyr could be druids but the forms were all humans. imagine "going bear" and he looks like a prot warrior lol

lone eagle
#

and you too can be like Mungbaldo, Conqueror of the Apes

image.png
sick sentinel
#

certain things im steadfast on sont change course

#

am old boomer now

paper coral
#

so, are we ever gonna use aegis in DF? I have Aegis, a upgrade shield or upgrade chestpiece as my choices.

lone eagle
#

I appreciate Kul'tirans because they have my same body type

#

I think currently Brews are considering Aegis in DF

paper coral
#

@lone eagle same.

lone eagle
#

I don't think other tanks are

jagged pier
paper coral
#

ok. i'll snag that. normal gear I can get anytime.

limber temple
wintry nymph
sick sentinel
#

yes really morshuu as morshu

#

the guild name fits

#

yes also

spiral mason
sick sentinel
#

there is bomb and ruby rrinket i can equip, probably lamp oil as well coulsnt find it

cobalt seal
#

@jagged pier !

jagged pier
#

what?

tender berry
cobalt seal
#

that's a brew

#

not pwar

paper coral
#

God dammit. why do taurens ahve to be so amazingly chunky while also so hard to xmog properly

sick sentinel
#

stop asking them to change skeletons

#

ive been doing that fpr 3 years solid

ionic fern
sick sentinel
#

if anyone here cnan change it or k ows people they can contact do it it they cant do it or dont want to

oblique garnet
queen latch
#

is yogi a mod here

oblique garnet
#

No

jagged pier
#

no

queen latch
#

can he be

jagged pier
#

no

spiral mason
#

no

oblique garnet
#

No

queen latch
#

sadge

sick sentinel
jade pulsar
#

kek

paper coral
zealous willow
#

make him mod

sick sentinel
#

at least i have good transmog

jade pulsar
#

Looks like a overgrown chicken

sick sentinel
#

i can do one thing right dress my self

ionic fern
paper coral
jagged pier
zealous willow
#

yogi u must go to asmongold transmog comptetion he will be happy to say u things or two

sick sentinel
#

show me a better one then

wet pine
#

Is this guy a very talented troll? I don't get it

sick sentinel
#

no fullset andy bullshit

zealous willow
ionic fern
#

Yw.

sick sentinel
#

wow thats not so many words

lone eagle
#

on the one hand

ionic fern
#

I mean..you don't listen to what other people tell you when we write paragraphs of useful information.

#

So i'm not wasting my time.

lone eagle
#

its 95% of a set. On the other, BoD gear too good

image.png
sick sentinel
#

can you please teach m3, im a visual learner btw

drifting fable
ionic fern
sick sentinel
#

how is that not full swt andy minus 2 or 3 piecea

lone eagle
#

Look at that barrel chest

limber temple
#

pfft

lone eagle
#

Beautiful

mellow quartz
#

Can you ignore people on a personal level so you don’t see any of their messages in discords?

sick sentinel
#

it looks alright to me but put a hat and shirt on jeez

drifting fable
#

yea just block then

#

them*

limber temple
minor helm
sick sentinel
#

you still see a blockdd message notification

#

and 9ther ppl respond to me

#

since boy i eonder who yhats directed at

mellow quartz
#

Would be easier if mods just muted you I guess

lone eagle
#

Yogi's like that time I caught gonorrhea at band camp. Sometimes you just gotta ignore it until you're home

uneven mason
blazing condor
#

dont bully yogi

#

everybody is allowed here

#

🙂

sick sentinel
#

well i showed prorection warrior transmog

uneven mason
#

Yaaaaaaaaaaa

limber temple
sick sentinel
#

i have holy huntard now

sonic tangle
#

Is my tauren cute 🥺

Rystrave.jpg
sick sentinel
#

lfdraenie hunter, hes gunna fill you with holes, cuz bow/gun

lone eagle
#

I respect the female tauren

#

I couldn't play one myself, because I like the thicc built like a fridge male tauren/draenei

#

but I can respect it

zealous willow
sick sentinel
#

i sas some female tauren priest while leveling in lfd as some tank,name"fatandstupid", complaining to me the entire time we were in the dungeon

#

about stupid shit i probably did, i dunno

#

just totally ignore them

sonic tangle
paper coral
sick sentinel
#

yogi got 4 shield a from lfr, well 1 from dinar so, maybe prot warrior carries on

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last week

minor helm
limber temple
lone eagle
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I leveled mage for my mechagnome so I could ignore I was a mechagnome

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10/10 heritage armors now

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tbh I wish mechagnomes could be mecha druids

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I'd play the shit out of them then

oblique garnet
sick sentinel
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and maybe ill be forced to stay the course and soldier on t9 annoy skyhold, i mean, become a great warrior

limber temple
sick sentinel
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same

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im more than 10 heritage sets but less than cap

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all achievement ones and dwarf, tauren, few others i have

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if i go to level or play a preist or shaman i feel stupid cuz no good full set to use

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plating bad in wow looking bad in wow, and you can only choose 1

uneven mason
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Finally finished insane this week

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Back to the heritage setd

sick sentinel
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the most true that has ever true'd

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if it dont look like as big as this this, piss off

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So at 70 we’re gonna have dragon cry, avatar, ravager, shield charge basically every pull? Any beta testers?

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no dragon charge or its still limited to pvp 😦

mental scarab
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Good to many buttons to usedander

sick sentinel
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i did fool around with evoker last night didn't get anything of value done

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but i had alot less trouble than llarold did on the flying mission

ebon geyser
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Is EU up?

sick sentinel
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soon as i figured out how to launch into air that quest was GG

zenith vale
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cant change this mog personnaly

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love it

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big shield big lions

sick sentinel
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okay boomer

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that ones pretty good im not crazy about shield, they have this one in a metal grey and silver version that fits your armor better, i suppose it does have a gaint capital L on it, so there is that

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minor helm
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Clipped bad

sick sentinel
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true, better on human/dra/tall person

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i just i literally do not think there is any better possible transmog shield for an alliance paladin than that

uneven mason
zenith vale
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Nice !

sick sentinel
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So for m+, how often do to just stay in D stance?

cobalt seal
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when you need it

sick sentinel
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what i saw people saying was if you don't have a cd or external

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but im not playing beta so i can't say much else

mellow quartz
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Maybe first boss in RLP as well.

sick sentinel
grave crane
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It’s kinda up to you and how you feel like you can probably get by without it but it’s got it’s uses

uneven mason
limpid pawn
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When you use immovable object does it use up charges of shield wall

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Like when you avatar

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Or is it free

oak echo
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it's free

sick sentinel
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meme i created sometime start of SL

pallid yarrow
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stance switch is GCD correct?

blazing condor
blazing condor
sick sentinel
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created dec 5 2021

blazing condor
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thats like late 9.1

sick sentinel
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might show as later, i have 2 copies of it some reason

pallid yarrow
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did some m+ this morning. rage gen felt super $hittttttty

blazing condor
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it shouldnt feel shitty

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youre probably doing something you could do better

pallid yarrow
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probably true lol

blazing condor
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link a log if you have

pallid yarrow
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my teammates always log but unfortunately didn't today. i'll post one another day if it goes the same. the only rage change was huge bloodsurge nerf right?

modern brook
solid sun
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Like what's even the point of posting a meme shitting on prot warrior in the prot warrior discord

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Especially when it's good

cobalt seal
modern brook
prisma crane
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as in, not relevant today

paper coral
solid sun