protection

[ionic fern]

[warm plinth]

No it's just because you're so cute

[ionic fern]

[warm plinth]

If it takes me 90 minutes to do 50-60 on all the toons, that's only about 25.5 hours of leveling in phase 2, plus whatever it takes to do the starting area twice on evoker

ezpz

[ionic fern]

90 minutes?

Damn

Would take me like 3 days.

[warm plinth]

Well going off the wowhead article that said 1-2 hours. Just split the difference

[sand pebble]

Guildies are saying evoker also has to comolete the entire story campain without any skips at all as if they are not linked to your account

Not just the fate slands story, the entire cov+maw+korthia+zm chains

[warm plinth]

My heart says they'll implement a skip for the campaign (which they only have to do because of the removal of Threads of Fate). That being said, there's no reason they should have to do the Maw, Korthia, or ZM once they've completed the Shadowlands campaign.

[sand pebble]

leggo crafting, unity - im being told none of your account is linked to evoker - im betting they are wrong and doom and glooming

[limpid anchor]

but why would you even do that

[sand pebble]

soulbinds/conduits/renown token etc

[limpid anchor]

i assume they didnt implement that bcs its whatever

[warm plinth]

Because the reason you can skip to your covenant when hitting 60 right now is because of Threads of Fate

They're removing that tomorrow

That's why wowhead and others are saying you have to do the Shadowlands campaign on evokers

[sand pebble]

they added conduits for evoker but require you to do the entire end game campain to use then? i think they are wrong just saying

[warm plinth]

But yeah I would be really surprised if they don't implement a way to skip the campaign because no one is gonna want to do that entire campaign just to play their evoker in Shadowlands for 2 weeks

[limpid anchor]

thy added conduits?

[warm plinth]

Either that or people are just gonna not bother with covenants period

[limpid anchor]

what a waste of dev time

[sand pebble]

no the reason you cna skip to your cov choice at 48 is because of threads

[warm plinth]

Very generic ones, but yes

[ionic fern]

This.

I wouldn't bother with Covenants.

[limpid anchor]

didnt even bother with it on my normal alts that had the skip

[warm plinth]

No, that's why you can do it at 60 as well. In fact it was actually bugged for a while, where if you forgot to swap to Threads before you dinged 60 you'd have to finish the campaign on that toon.

[limpid anchor]

its gone in 2 weeks anyway, pointless to worry about that

[sand pebble]

they added conduits, soulbinds - you cant use unity until you complete zm intro

[warm plinth]

There's tons of forum and reddit posts of people bitching

back when it was still bugged

[mighty valley]

what does unity even do for them

[warm plinth]

It makes their covenant ability give like 5% more damage/healing passively

[mighty valley]

they have covenant abilities?

[sand pebble]

yes

[warm plinth]

They have A covenant ability

It's the same regardless of covenant

[sand pebble]

a shared one

[warm plinth]

It's a passive 4 or 5% damage/healing and then an on-use that gives them 10% vers for 12 seconds and does a big heal on a 2 min CD

[mighty valley]

ok

[warm plinth]

They only have like 2 or 3 evoker specific conduits. The rest are really generic and just give stats. And they have one that gives them extra damage/healing passively

They took 0 time to develop. They're very generic.

[mighty valley]

about as much effort as makes sense for something that's relevant for two weeks

[sand pebble]

exactly

[warm plinth]

Most of the conduits are no different than getting like the obleron armaments in Torghast

[sand pebble]

but why then add the entire endgame campaign needing to be complete before you cna use it

[warm plinth]

I don't think that'll be the case personally but I wouldn't put it past Blizzard to make such a blunder.

[sand pebble]

i swear its understood wrong

[mighty valley]

what are people basing this on? beta?

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[limpid anchor]

maybe thats just the case for evokers on a server without the max level char?

[warm plinth]

Well, probably PTR

[limpid anchor]

dunno how it works for normal alts if you switch server

[warm plinth]

Nah there are no realm restrictions

I have 50s on like 4 or 5 different realms. They can all skip everything just fine

60s*

[mighty valley]

it does seem annoying, if this is all true i'd hope they'd make it easy to fuck around for a couple weeks

[limpid anchor]

but TBF; the evokers come from some shitty cave, they dont know what happend in the shadowlands. so they need to do it themselfs

they didnt see it before!

[warm plinth]

I mean the wowhead article definitely said you have to do it from scratch. I just don't know that I believe that Blizzard would make us do that, because that means other alts would also have to do that since they also can't access Threads of Fate unless they already started it.

Non-evoker alts, that is

[limpid anchor]

maybe its just an reminiscence for shadowlands, a very alt unfriendly expansions

[sand pebble]

i thought you might know with all the alts you leveling

[limpid anchor]

reliving all the pain once more

before we move on

[sand pebble]

anyway your 25 hours of leveling might have 20 hours per evoker added if you intend to do any of it

[warm plinth]

Well, my only requirement for the challenge is to get to 60, which they will get to by doing their starting area.

[sand pebble]

nice

[warm plinth]

So I don't have to do the campaign because I'm not going to play evoker in SL anyway XD Lucky me if this actually goes live this way.

[mighty valley]

Yeah same, gonna do the intro and then park the character for months

[open silo]

does spell block completely immune shared suffering?

[ionic fern]

No.
It works as normal Block.

Just against spells.

[open silo]

so it's a 55% (approx) dr against shared suffering?

when shield block is up

[sleek current]

I'm not sure. If you use combat logs might be worth taking a look at damage mitigated table.

[ionic fern]

w/e your block dr is,yes.

Unless there's some weird spaghetti.

[open silo]

ok, thanks

[lyric bobcat]

Hey guys, may i ask some advice from you veteran prot warriors, if anyone is on?

[ionic fern]

Shoot.

Hello.

[limpid anchor]

Mwahi is the #1 prot war in pvp

[ionic fern]

^

[lyric bobcat]

damn!

[crude notch]

As of 48 hours ago, this was still the case on both Beta & PTR realms. I, too, am thinking they'll do something to fix this. If not, it'll easily be the least leveled in Chromie Time.

[lyric bobcat]

i'm leaning on to playing prot main for dragonflight, as it's fun and the talent tree really is great - it's my first time. - I'm used to DH and blood DK tank, where most of the defensives are baked into the attack abilities, and thus having few active high medigation abilities to manage.

[pallid quiver]

my bet's they hot fix something in

[lyric bobcat]

Playing warrior has had me thinking that theres alot more to keep track of, ignore pain, shield block for basics, and then all the larger cooldowns

is there anything i should put together in a macro, or keep in mind? is seems alot more complex

[marble cipher]

nah, certainly not a lot to keep track off tbf

[pallid quiver]

At the sort of rage gen we're generally at, you don't need to really keep track of Ignore Pain; it'll be up by the time you need it

[karmic plinth]

you probably don't want to macro any spels together

[marble cipher]

keep block up when actively in combat, use ip as rage dump when defense is needed

[pallid quiver]

On top of that, SB uptime pretty much solves itself as long as you spend charges

[marble cipher]

(revenge as rage dump if defense isn't needed)

[pallid quiver]

All you need to keep track out of those that you listed come Dragonflight proper is Shield Wall's cooldown

Since you'll be sending Demo Shout on CD for the damage/rage with Booming Voice

[finite narwhal]

Guys, whats with prot, I just tanked +15 key with ilvl 240 and I was pulling packs like it was +5 lol

[karmic plinth]

as long as you can keep shield block up most of your tankiness will sort itself out

[pallid quiver]

power scaling in pre-patch, innit

[ionic fern]

That's any tank class right now.

Pre-patches are a joke.

[marble cipher]

^

[finite narwhal]

Monk is way squshier

[lyric bobcat]

its just that i never really seem to use shield wall, last stand and rallying cry

[finite narwhal]

Can keep up a lot, but your hp is bounxing like BDK

[pallid quiver]

last stand's terrible, so don't worry about that, and rallying cry's for stopping DPS from committing suicide

[lyric bobcat]

its like its not nessesaried after having shield block, ignore pain and the damage reduction shout on

[pallid quiver]

you do need to use last stand tho

if you're having trouble utilizing defensives, though, focus on Shield Wall first since you get the most use out of that

[pallid quiver]

That is, in fact, currently correct if you're pulling small

tanks are a little not die at the moment

[ionic fern]

Depending on the content you're doing you might not even need SW/Last Stand.

[finite narwhal]

I am using last stand for fleshcraft padding

[ionic fern]

Should be fine.
Generally speaking prot warrior is very-very beefy right now.

[lyric bobcat]

ah aight, so basicly block, pi and shout will do the work, and then prot just have alot of emergency buttons on top of battle scared veteran=

[pallid quiver]

now that I'm thinking about it Mwahi do you just like have screenshots of different parts of your guide to just chuck at people or did you have to go grab that?

[ionic fern]

I just go and grab them because i know where they are.

[crude notch]

Almost like you typed it.

[ionic fern]

Almost.

[pallid quiver]

damn, maybe mwahi should go contact that guide writer and slap him with some copyright infringement if he wrote it

[crude notch]

PreMwahi

[ionic fern]

Good idea.

[pallid quiver]

Shield Wall's not an emergency button, since the damage has already been done if you're reacting with it

[finite narwhal]

I mean I almost dont need healer as monk, but I am having 10k healing in 20 keys so its way squshier

[ionic fern]

Why do you have the Leaf... 👀

[warm plinth]

We pray but it's a fake pray because Vel won't let us have prayge

[lyric bobcat]

yeah i understand, its just a way to pull larger once in a while and live more dangerously

[pallid quiver]

If you literally can't find any use for it, at least just press it on CD to just happen to take less damage so the healer can DPS, too, though you should think of scenarios like these:
"Do I have a large amount of trash on me?"
"Does this boss want to abscond with my health bar with this tank swap mechanic?"
"oh shit raid/party's down enough i'm being targetted by scary mechanics, this is a lot about to come in"
"lol mechanics are for cars"

And realize that you want to press Shield Wall when you think those

[lyric bobcat]

the last one got me

xd

[marble cipher]

I just press it cause it's CD is reduced by shield slam and otherwise I feel I'm not taking full advantage of that talent 🤣

[pallid quiver]

Not just shield slam; it's also reduced by Anger Management

[crude notch]

I don't see an easy fix to it but then again I don't know the coding of the whole SL forced campaign thing and how difficult it might be to break it. As it stands, queue'ing for SL dungeons would be based on what zones you've progged through (so you'd only get NW to start which might actually be a big brain play based on how you can pull that dungeon while leveling). It's a cluster of a mess to say the least, that I am genuinely surprised they didn't think about.

[pallid quiver]

It should be like a 1.5 min CD all things considered when playing well

[warm plinth]

It's not super big brain though because you actually lose access to the zone dungeons at a certain level too.

[crude notch]

Yep

[warm plinth]

Which I thought was particularly silly

[crude notch]

SL leveling experience is just a mess which is why they had to put Threads in, in the first place.

[warm plinth]

Yeah, the adventure mode version is going to be much better

[crude notch]

477 levels this week btw. Might kick out some before reset.

[warm plinth]

477? 👀

[crude notch]

[ionic fern]

[warm plinth]

you trying to join me in my challenge?

[ionic fern]

Wait what...68 levels per day?

What

You ok?

[crude notch]

[sweet summit]

what the

[crude notch]

No... No I'm not.

[ionic fern]

[sweet summit]

why so much

[crude notch]

I made a gnome army, plus got the worgen heritage armor.

[sweet summit]

[zenith vale]

hey guys, is Protection as good on prepatch and beta ?

[crude notch]

(It was the last one I needed)

[zenith vale]

i will play it anyway

[ionic fern]

Always good.

[zenith vale]

just to know

nice

im main arms since 12 + years, just going prot now

[ionic fern]

Welcome to the good life.

[zenith vale]

🥳

[crude notch]

PWar big fun indeed. I used some IV guide while leveling so I didn't have to think about my talents. That guy who made it pretty smart.

[warm plinth]

I also used that 😊

I think I did change a couple of them though tbf

[crude notch]

I like the IV talent guides because they have a level by level option, although you can tell some guide writers were like heck this

[warm plinth]

It's kinda weird because some of them you get to like 35 and it just has all of it

[crude notch]

Yep

[warm plinth]

And I'm like hecking writer, I wanted to copy paste :riot

[crude notch]

[ionic fern]

Leveling talents are "I WNANA GO FAST AND AOE PULL EVERYTHING".

Any suggestions are welcome tho. 🤷

Bring em, you leveling experts.

[crude notch]

I sped run Thunderclap

Only one point different from what you did though.

I did War Machine > Thunderclap and then Fast Footwork > Heroic Leap.

[ionic fern]

Je, makes more sense. I'll update with DF updates.

[crude notch]

For dungeon leveling, once you have Thunderclap and Heroic Leap you're set.

[warm plinth]

In war tree, the only change I made was sidearm instead of overwhelming rage.
In prot tree, I took fueled by violence instead of IP because frankly IP was largely just rage dump anyway; you never really need to make it bigger. And I took massacre instead of enduring defenses, and a point in bloodborne instead of tough as nails, though honestly that was just a feel thing; tough as nails might actually do more damage in the long run.

[ionic fern]

[crude notch]

Ghash is the quest leveling nerd, I'm the dungeon leveling nerd.

[acoustic grotto]

Oh, question. What do you think about the new talent coming that give shield wall a 2nd charge and cd reduction ?

[warm plinth]

I'm not claiming to be right in my decisions, tbf. They are just what I ended up taking. Largely I don't think any of those changes would make any significant difference in the leveling process.

But massacre is helpful for named/bigger quest mobs

[ionic fern]

No thank you.

[jagged pier]

very very niche

otherwise its trash

[ionic fern]

Unless there's a very nieche encounter which requires it in raids you would default to Impenetrable.

[acoustic grotto]

That what i was thinking, thank experts !

[jagged pier]

nome says theres a few dungeons you would run it @ionic fern

[ionic fern]

Still goes under "nieche".

And won't matter for 99% playerbase.

[crude notch]

Not AS bad as Bear's additional charge of SI talent because of AM, but still pretty blah

[acoustic grotto]

I think we are pretty big chonky wall, so it might be a little bit "overkill" of defense option

[crude notch]

The reduced cooldown part is laughable because IW will give you more than 30 second reduction in each SW window alone.

[muted gale]

whats our best covenant for raiding right now?

[pallid quiver]

Necrolord

banner solves all problems everywhere

[acoustic grotto]

It's sad (imo) that we don't have banner in our talent tree (class or spec). I find that it works well with the identity of the spec

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[acoustic grotto]

haha

[ionic fern]

I'm more sad about AA. 😦

I liked AA.

[forest fern]

Ya banner can remain in the shadowlands for the dead, need fingers that aren’t broken back in Azeroth

[jagged pier]

its just as fast

as it was in S3

[mighty valley]

by the time it was good banner was just a perma stat buff

it just reminded you when you were playing bad

[crude notch]

Which for me is always.

[marble cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/indeztv-indez-faceroll-indez-faceroll-keyboard-roll-gif-21390062

for banner uptime!

[sterile pebble]

hi dose anyone have a nice prepatch tank build please

[jagged pier]

[pallid quiver]

i want mop banners back

those were fun

[warm plinth]

Started Threads on all 21 of my non-60s lol. Just in case.

[onyx matrix]

True

[crude notch]

Play is to just do 50-60 in WoD.

Then don't touch them again until DF. lol

[zenith vale]

i dont know if prot is the best in DF, but clearly the gameplay is insane

so much synergy and cool buttons

if you want guys i managed to put the old thunderclap sound, cleave as revenge too

it feels better

and rend "splat" noise when i do crits

like in vanilla

can tell you how to do it

[ionic fern]

I don't play with sounds.

[zenith vale]

:o

[crude notch]

I don't play with my monitor on.

[grave crane]

I don’t play

[crude notch]

that's the play

[crude notch]

https://www.icy-veins.com/forums/topic/69607-threads-of-fate-is-back-for-level-60-characters-on-the-dragonflight-ptr/

pog

[ionic fern]

[acoustic grotto]

imo, the pwar and vdh have the most cool gameplay feeling atm

[limpid anchor]

Can you tell me what’s great about vdh gameplay?

I did some dungeons on beta but I can’t see it, maybe I’m missing something

[ionic fern]

Or..maybe people have individual preferences.

[limpid anchor]

Yes but it’s first time playing vdh for me, so maybe I don’t see something

And pwar and vdh are very different gameplay wise I think

So just trying to see it from a different point

[acoustic grotto]

The frailty build is very cool to play (imo)

[ionic fern]

What is the Fraility build?

[limpid anchor]

You spam your abilities so you heal more

[foggy spoke]

For sure. Change to spikes uptime and number of new buttons you have is good too. Lot you can play around with in terms of utility options.

[oblique garnet]

You ook ook and ook ook till you ook ook

[ionic fern]

Sounds like a build made for me.

I'm in.

[acoustic grotto]

spam button to make stack of fraility to make more damage, heal more and take less

[ionic fern]

So...VDH as normal?

[limpid anchor]

Yes

Same as banner for warrior

Kinda

[acoustic grotto]

You don't have to run away every single pull now xD

[ionic fern]

My latest VDH experience is from Legion so...

[crude notch]

I wouldn't call it a "build", it's literally just VDH imo

[limpid anchor]

I still drop hard on some pulls tho

Compared to war

If I don’t have meta up it gets spicy

[ionic fern]

Probably a build in the DH discord?

[limpid anchor]

Yea but dh disc sucks

[crude notch]

oh god that'd require me to go there. MonkaS

[limpid anchor]

You just pick every ability that has fraility

[ionic fern]

I threw myself in there, it's fine.

Now we wait.

Is it this

?

[acoustic grotto]

yup something liek that if i remember

[ionic fern]

[acoustic grotto]

the famous "check the pins"

[sand pebble]

now make a build with the random wheel talent thing and then argue why its better

oh and "is codex better than x trinket"

[ionic fern]

I will 100% play what seems fun for me as VDH.

For example

Soul Barrier.

[sand pebble]

fun? blizz going to stomp on it

[acoustic grotto]

fun police is watching you

[ionic fern]

I don't care.
I doubt i will do higher than 20's on my alts so won't matter what i'm playing.

[limpid anchor]

Btw the forum mode thingy is way better than pins :3

“AbolishThePins

[sand pebble]

oh no you cant do higher than a 3 with a non top io meta build

[grave crane]

The easiest way to get a meta build is to go into the discord and ask them if they have a meta build you can copy

[uneven mason]

this was born of desperation back in legion iirc

Might've been BFA alpha

[sand pebble]

in terms of pure in your face sarcasm, do you have a meta pwar build i can copy and is codex bis?

[ionic fern]

I think that the easiest way is to go to a discord and post a random build you made.

People will point out your mistakes 20 times faster.

[sand pebble]

nailed it

[grave crane]

Yeah it’s all the good talent and none of the bad ones

[hidden linden]

Reverse Psychology OP

[grave crane]

That’s cause people respond better to people who are trying stuff out themselves and tinkering rather than mindless questions

[ionic fern]

No.
That's because people like to feel smarter and call others out for their "mistakes".

[limpid anchor]

It’s not trying stuff out tho

People just don’t read or try

[ionic fern]

"Hello, i only farm plants in WoW, can i run this random build i made?"
Discord : "WTF, NO, YOU CAN'T! USE META BUILD NOOB".

[grave crane]

It is though if they post a build and go this is what I’m trying then they’re doing more than someone who just goes “BUILD? You guys got build?”

People can then go yeah your gonna get more damage from xyz but play the game how you want

[cobalt seal]

I wouldnt trust shaene

[mortal brook]

!build

[cobalt seal]

He is a bit sus

[ionic fern]

[mortal brook]

:bearsleep:

[ionic fern]

Where can i grab one then.?

[grave crane]

Can we get !build to just say check the pins

[cobalt seal]

There is 2 builds going around rn

A frailty fb and frailty ftd

[limpid anchor]

But that one is pinned in the dh disc :(

[cobalt seal]

I know

[limpid anchor]

Can’t be bad

[cobalt seal]

Im memeing shaene

[limpid anchor]

Who

[cobalt seal]

But the points arent exactly that rn

We just cba updating it rn

[limpid anchor]

Oh are you a filthy dh

[uneven mason]

Have you met the dh theory crafters

[limpid anchor]

No

[cobalt seal]

[limpid anchor]

I dislike dh players in general, so I’m not there

[uneven mason]

Math is so conforming, I parse with the darkness and suffering in my eyeliner

[sand pebble]

no need to be, just ask for dh info in here

[uneven mason]

More edgy than a Tokyo Babylon cosplay

[cobalt seal]

What do you want from the build great dmg/good surv or good dmg/more surv?

[vagrant folio]

hello, can i still farm thunderfury in retail for transmog?

[ionic fern]

Damage.

[mortal brook]

ye just smash face until bindings drop

[sand pebble]

only 1 binding exists

[cobalt seal]

I will link you in a bit when i get on pc

[limpid anchor]

Yes

[sand pebble]

had one since 2006

[ionic fern]

[vagrant folio]

ohh droprate so bad or what haha

[limpid anchor]

Nah

[sand pebble]

50% chance

[limpid anchor]

Some people just don’t deserve it

[sand pebble]

it drops or it doesnt

[acoustic grotto]

i got left binds on a character and 2 right binds on two others character, i'm so mad xD

[south osprey]

Hello all,

A few days ago a question was asked in this thread along the lines of: "whilst off tanking , is there any point in maintaining "shield block".

The General concensus was yes I believe? My question is why is this the case?

Because on wowhead, under the common mistakes section it states: "Using Shield Block when you are not actively tanking is also a mistake. If you're not taking damage, you don't need damage reduction effects, and you should be spending your Rage on damage instead."

[limpid anchor]

Bcs you get 30% more ss dmg

[acoustic grotto]

SB = 30% damage on SS

[sand pebble]

shield block increases ther damage of shield slam by 30%

[south osprey]

Okay so that statement on wowhead is wrong I assume?

[ionic fern]

No.

It's not wrong.

[sand pebble]

its exactly right tbh - you dont need the sb for damage reduction and instead spend it on sb for additional damage

[limpid anchor]

Ether that you should have 2 stacks again before you take the boss

[ionic fern]

The statement is correct. Main goal of Shield Block is to reduce your incoming damage.
If you are not actively tanking then you CAN use SB for offensive purposes (the increased SS damage) - just be sure to have a charge left for when it's your turn to tank.

[jagged pier]

this big kicker is tho u can have SB up 100% of the time now

even when not tanking

[mortal brook]

shield block increases shield slam damage.

[limpid anchor]

Jakey always popping up if someone talks about sb

[mortal brook]

pew pew

[acoustic grotto]

i love this sentence

[south osprey]

I view that statement differently, but I understand your points.

It doesn't read that way to me, but I guess everything is open to interpretation. But, regardless you've all answered my Q so thank you 🙂

[ionic fern]

Well, guides are a starting point. 🙂

[south osprey]

Wel I did read the guide, but was confused by that statement, hence my Q 🙂

[ionic fern]

[acoustic grotto]

It always incredible you find the perfect screen of the guide

[limpid anchor]

Ha! He didn’t read it!

Get the stones

[ionic fern]

[crude notch]

You didn't read because they said Wowhead.

[sand pebble]

i mean they stated 'on wowhead' and thats a snip from icy veins right

[limpid anchor]

That’s right

Doesn’t matter

Get the stones

[south osprey]

Look I don't want to cause some heated debate 🤣. My point and question was simply to clear up an interpretation issue in my side which has been done

[ionic fern]

Too late.

We fighting and arguing.

We're warriors.

We live for this.

You all suck and i'm the best.

[sand pebble]

RAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGEEEEEE

[limpid anchor]

Every channel is a pvp channel

[sand pebble]

well

slightly less rage since nerfs

[crude notch]

I already typed up the twitlonger Hamy is cancelled

[acoustic grotto]

ZOG ZOG

[acoustic grotto]

isn't a single channel with warmode off ? 😦

[ionic fern]

#pvp is with warmode off.

They are just keyboard warriors there.

[sand pebble]

i mean arent we all

[acoustic grotto]

Why play pwar ? : Big shield, big armor, raaaaage, shout so loud

[cobalt seal]

@ionic fern https://www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-calc/demon-hunter/vengeance/DAOEGEBERQaCYRYSVBAOVUVBIgURGEEiUUBU

[ionic fern]

Thanks.

[cobalt seal]

if you want a small surv increase, switch 1 point from agonizing 1 from burning blood to extended spikes

[crude notch]

Imagine surviving

All gas no brakes baby

[ionic fern]

I'm going to copy the majority of it but alter it so i can grab my beloved Soul barrier.

[acoustic grotto]

Dont need to surviving if you kill mobs before

[limpid anchor]

Got one for dmg and surv?

Ah nvm

[ionic fern]

I think that's the one for "dmg and surv".

[cobalt seal]

https://tenor.com/view/we-dont-do-that-here-black-panther-tchalla-bruce-gif-16558003

[ionic fern]

😦

[cobalt seal]

Soul Barrier is so bad

if only it worked like in BFA

[ionic fern]

Now i gotta go read up on VDH.

I thought it's still similar to BFA.

[cobalt seal]

nope

the moment you deplete the shield

it's gone

while in BFA you kept getting more shields

[hardy snow]

We are the prot warriors, we dont care about VDH

[cobalt seal]

during the 12s

[hardy snow]

[ionic fern]

[cobalt seal]

do you have wings?

I thought so

[hardy snow]

I do

from my priests healer

[cobalt seal]

imagine playing with healers

smh

[ionic fern]

Filthy casuals.

[jagged pier]

imagine with playing dps and healers

just play with tanks

[cobalt seal]

https://tenor.com/view/all-of-this-pointing-up-there-see-this-gif-14720503

[ionic fern]

Need tankiness? Play a tank.
Need healing? Play a tank.
Need DPS? Play a tank.

Just covers everything.

[radiant magnet]

if I wanted to be healed constantly, I'd play a Brewmaster

[mortal brook]

5x wildfire should cover any needs

[acoustic grotto]

5 tanks and go straight forward +3 a 25s key

[ionic fern]

That's how it works.

[acoustic grotto]

obv

[cobalt seal]

25s

that's too low

[sand pebble]

25's opening week df

[acoustic grotto]

i wanted to be kind

[jagged pier]

cant do workshop tho

[cobalt seal]

fuck workshop

boring dungeon

no pad

[strong forum]

Wuck forkshop

[acoustic grotto]

working is just press z and kill everythings you encounter

[ionic fern]

Oh man. I'm pumpin.

[limpid anchor]

Who didn’t spent 90 euro for the pre order so war can also have wings

[strong forum]

5k steps a day

[ionic fern]

I still haven't purchased DF. 😦

[strong forum]

Triple that and you get mine

[ionic fern]

Don't need to.

At least not yet.

[limpid anchor]

5k is pretty low

[ionic fern]

Been trying to gain weight for the last 3 years.

Nothing.

😦

[strong forum]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-legs-gif-10811579

[limpid anchor]

I assume you don’t go out?

[ionic fern]

I do. But only to drive my motorcycle.

[strong forum]

Permission granted

[sand pebble]

drive motorcycle hurts my brain

[limpid anchor]

Just don’t fall down

[sand pebble]

ride motorcycle

[ionic fern]

https://tenor.com/view/supernatural-jensen-ackles-shades-silly-motorcycle-gif-6042286

[strong forum]

Well but driving is correct

[crude notch]

Didn't know this was a steps measuring contest.

[ionic fern]

It's not.
I just got a mail and it reminded me how lazy i am.

[crude notch]

I do 20k Friday, Saturday, and Sunday each then don't do anything else the rest of the week. Get rekt neds.

Evens out right?

[acoustic grotto]

same mood here

[ionic fern]

Wake up, drive to work
Sit at PC, work
Walk for coffee during working hours
Drive home, sit at PC

Thats my daily walks.

[sick sentinel]

i mean

[acoustic grotto]

I have the same daily walks except i dont walk for coffee cause i hate coffee xD

[crude notch]

Yeah mine are 20k work on those 3 days and then off for 4 days so I do nothing.

Big laze.

[sick sentinel]

we do call people bike riders, pedal electric or gas

[astral crystal]

pedal imo

but it's a term of general application

[strong forum]

My Friday is gonna be fun.
Get up at 5 am, ride bicycle to work, leave at 8.30, ride to dentist, after dentist back to work. Then at 4pm go home, pack stuff and get picked up to drive 2-3hrs to family reunion over the weekend

[crude notch]

Ironically I've lost weight since swapping from five day work weeks to three day work weeks.

[strong forum]

[astral crystal]

oof, work after a dentist appointment

[ionic fern]

Family reunion is fun tho?

[strong forum]

It ain't

[crude notch]

Yeah that's a big nope for me

[ionic fern]

😦

[strong forum]

I'll just sit in the corner for 8hrs

And wait for it to end

[crude notch]

just like my life

wait

[ionic fern]

[cobalt seal]

nome being toxic to it's family

smh

[ionic fern]

This turned depressing real fast.

[strong forum]

They know I don't enjoy family stuff

So I'll just be there to make my mum happy

[ionic fern]

[sick sentinel]

family and friends is over rated

[ionic fern]

Also, why do you get up at 5am? o.o

Does your work start so early?

[sick sentinel]

because its germany

germany is huge land mass

[strong forum]

Usually I start at 9am

[sick sentinel]

i seen a meme about shortest german walk with your friend on yt and the video went on about 3 minutes

[strong forum]

But to not make my pickup wait

I'll start at 6am

[ionic fern]

Ah, okay. 😦

[strong forum]

Otherwise we'd have start the drive at 7pm

[uneven mason]

Nom

Are you doing drops

[sturdy sable]

I charged an old tablet so i could put a stream on mute for 4 hours later today lol

[uneven mason]

Working from home👍

[crude notch]

that name

[uneven mason]

NGL BRM does not feel good to play or heal at this time

They're actually ok but are certainly no longer smoothbrain no buttons tank

Gotta use them brews a l o t

[cobalt seal]

imagine having to think to play a spec

smh

[uneven mason]

It's alien having warrior be the easy to play tank and brm being the plan ahead tank.

We're a long way from the fetid log.

[strong forum]

Ya brew changed alot from what I've hearing in terms of brain activity

[uneven mason]

Bfa brm - buttons lol that's a baby's toy

SL brm "oh I have two now"

Dragonflight brm

[acoustic grotto]

brm DF seems havings 3 actions bars full isn't enought to have all spells xD

[uneven mason]

It's balanced around using all their CD

Like warrior used to be

[mortal brook]

just dont spec. easy as that

[uneven mason]

Also has some strong utility

[mortal brook]

we ready for dflight

[uneven mason]

Old-school style, hold aggro with auto attacking and make the DPS wait till 95%

[mortal brook]

sounds awful

[uneven mason]

It was

[strong forum]

Oh god, spec less must be horrific now

[mortal brook]

TERRIBLE

no death strike

life is pain

[strong forum]

Warri would actually have a few buttons

Sb, Whirlwind slam iirc

[sturdy sable]

Everything you need

[peak bramble]

are the m0's the DF dungeons? or is it the season 1 mix?

[limpid anchor]

Df

[jagged pier]

mix for sure

m0s arent different

but we get such joys as jade serpent

and shadow moon burial ground

for m+

[uneven mason]

Can't wait for shadowmoon on m+ gonna feel like shade of zul

Trash that causes more wipes than any boss

[limpid anchor]

ah you are right

or its my low level

[solid sun]

Well whirlwind is 360 so this seems fine

[solid sun]

In the beta from what I've done Shadowmoon wasn't too bad. I'm not a giga lord, so I've been staying in the 10-12 range

The MoP dungeon's second to last boss, however... yikes

[sleek current]

I hate Temple of the Jade Serpent regardless of its difficulty. Spammed it so much in MoP it's ruined forever.

[tawny briar]

Has anyone found a good method to add Shield Charge into existing Charge intervene Macros?

[limpid heron]

i think you would have to strictly prioritise both abilities which will result in suboptimal usage of shield charge right?

[jagged pier]

make a new keybinding

tbh

[oak echo]

to me shield charge is used for different reasons than charge so macroing them doesn't make a ton of sense

[tawny briar]

Ya that's where I"m at, and makes me sad :(. I really wish I could make it to just always use shield charge first but it might not be possible

I mean, if you have it talented with the reprisal talent I feel like You'd basically always want to open with ti

[limpid heron]

but even then u dont want to use shield charge at the start of the pull

[oak echo]

it always sounded better to me to use it after you're already in range otherwise you're just not using charge ever

because it will be up every pull

unless you're doing trivial content

and even if you do send it on pull, i'd rather get 60 rage than 40

[tawny briar]

So to be quite honest, I don't think I realized it could be used ast point blank range

[gleaming crest]

Is battle stance prot warrior a thing? Do we no longer need to sit in Def stance?

[tawny briar]

figured it was like charge

[oak echo]

ahh, ye

no min range on it

[oak echo]

use it like a defensive when you need the DR, don't sit in it

[uneven mason]

B stance is for sure the standard

[jagged pier]

theres no need for dstance in prepatch

[ionic fern]

It used to have a minimum range but we got it removed.

[jagged pier]

in prog content u will be in dstance

[ionic fern]

Will i tho?

[jagged pier]

i mean i wont

[ionic fern]

[jagged pier]

but 99% of players

[uneven mason]

I dunno

[jagged pier]

should

[uneven mason]

Gotta give the healers something to do

[gleaming crest]

Thanks guys

[tawny briar]

That makes it much more versatile. Ok, seems like a new Keybind is where it needs to be

[limpid anchor]

Our dmg is scaled around bstance, we can’t leave it anymore :<

[uneven mason]

This is the truth and sad because it was that bstance felt like a bonus, but now it's more like d stance is a penalty

[bold turret]

Do we ever use Battle stance now? or just always def

[tawny briar]

lol, Scroll up. Basically always Bstance

use Dstance like a defensive, and switch it off when you don't need the DR anymore

[finite narwhal]

prot will be the lowest dps tank in DF with tuning how it is or somebody will be below?

[jagged pier]

if your in dstance probably

but i have no idea tbh

[jade pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/8ball-bart-simpson-shaking-shake-magic-ball-gif-17725278

[marble cipher]

I'd rather start a new expansion being lowest than being highest tbf.
But, being medium might be even better haha

[mellow quartz]

you making assumptions for raiding or keys?

[finite narwhal]

keys mostly

[finite narwhal]

thats why there is beta, you kinda need magic ball for whole wow from classic to now, because changes are happening all the time

[cobalt seal]

you basing it on?

[mortal brook]

my favorite streamer said so

[finite narwhal]

I am asking and I saw somewhere here text about that, cant remember where

[mellow quartz]

random example, Lemike did 68k overall in an AA, who does more besides brew?

[finite narwhal]

dunno, thats why I am asking here

[cobalt seal]

you asked

assuming it was the worst

[finite narwhal]

is this channel for helping or? I asked question, didnt get answer, but only another questions

[cobalt seal]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[mellow quartz]

you made a statement saying prot would be the lowest damage, wdym

[cobalt seal]

"prot will be the lowest dps tank in DF with tuning how it is or somebody will be below? "

if that's a question

[finite narwhal]

yes, thats question with question mark

[cobalt seal]

oh

just because you ?

it's a question

interesting

[mortal brook]

saw a 76k from drogoh in a 20 AA

on ppal

[jade pulsar]

Lol, ok so the grammar wasnt the best give the guy a break

[cobalt seal]

the best?

he went full twitch chat

on it

[mortal brook]

cro

[cobalt seal]

Hi steve

[mortal brook]

:bearsignnobully:

hi

[cobalt seal]

:bearsignonlybully:

[granite nest]

:sadbear:

[limpid anchor]

Prot will be bottom tier tank

Stop denying

[finite narwhal]

I asked if war will be lowest dps tank or somebody will be below, because I read that here and thats why asked, so I could see opinions if thats true or no etc. But I am just getting insults lol

[limpid anchor]

Accept the truth

[modern brook]

This channel is for helping not for predicting the future

[granite nest]

It's at least top 6

[mellow quartz]

isn't ppal a glass cannon in higher keys in its full dps build?

[cobalt seal]

nope

[mellow quartz]

@mortal brook

[mortal brook]

@mellow quartz

@severe scaffold HAPPY BIRTHDAY BY THE WAY

[jade pulsar]

Simple answer atm is that we dont know, there's still a lot of time for nerfs/buffs to be made for any tank class. Warrior is rly strong atm though

[finite narwhal]

I stated with current tuning, which already happened. wanted just know how it looks

[mortal brook]

nah, group explodes before ppal surv is in question

[lime silo]

just got 80 stacks on dungeoneers training dummy

[limpid anchor]

At the current tuning, probably. But we can’t really tell bcs there’s still tuning missing, and we can’t run 30s on beta atm. I would imagine that brew theoretically does more dmg but prob won’t survive a pull :D

[finite narwhal]

yeah I know, thats why I included with current tuning, I am curious how it looks, numbers can change even in weeks of already running expansion. I am trying to decide on tank main and I am kinda number slave, so I cant stand low dps tanks, dunno why

[limpid anchor]

Might even be true for bdk bcs some mobs hit bars and they are more reactive

[cobalt seal]

pwar isn't the lowest dmg

I dont know what people are smoking

[jade pulsar]

If you're a numbers slave then u gotta gear/level all tanks since anything can happen x)

[mellow quartz]

sooooo the datamined stuff makes no mention of the bloodsurge nerf????

[finite narwhal]

oh ok, thanks. I enjoy brew a lot, but I am pugging and some non kicked spells are nightmares for brew

[mellow quartz]

we saved?

[dire tide]

How is immovable object comparing to unstoppable force in mythic +?

[smoky dock]

Nah from what I have seen on beta prot warrior is 4th maybe 3rd on dps

[modern brook]

If you're expecting numbers to change, and are aware that you will only play the tank with the highest numbers, the questions moot, just level and gear everything, or wait for tuning to settle down

[severe scaffold]

Good christ Steve, no external emojis here? Hellish.

[finite narwhal]

I kinda did that this week, but cant multibox at launch haha

[mortal brook]

ikr

[mortal brook]

[modern brook]

making a decision today so you can complain tomorrow is monka

[limpid anchor]

Don’t forget that everything you see is in battleatance. On higher keys on some pulls you can’t be batance and lose 10% dmg

[cobalt seal]

basing your decision on numbers is monka

[finite narwhal]

I dont want to play only tank with highest numbers, I kinda want to avoid tank with lower numbers 😄

[cobalt seal]

imagine not playing what you enjoy the most lol

[limpid anchor]

Even on 15s with pugs I need to swap to def stance bcs the heals suck

[smoky dock]

@limpid anchor good point

[modern brook]

Also that

[mortal brook]

what happens if numbers are pretty balanced

[trim creek]

Numbers are gonna change, and probably change big. Just ask bears.

[finite narwhal]

I am playing what I enjoy, thats why I am asking here, I like brew and prot and VDH and cant decide between them

[mellow quartz]

was bloodsurge 15% proc chance on live until today?

[smoky dock]

I can see bear and bdk getting adjusted dps wise and prot warrior getting buffed a little.

[limpid anchor]

At the current tuning I would rate vdh the highest

[cobalt seal]

vdh sucks dont play it

[modern brook]

yes

[cobalt seal]

ty

[modern brook]

[mellow quartz]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/dragonflight-pre-patch-phase-2-class-changes-and-tuning-329906
No mention of bloodsurge nerf 🤔

[smoky dock]

Over bear tank?

[cobalt seal]

he doesn't know what he is talking

ignore him

[limpid anchor]

I didn’t test bear so I can’t speak for that

As I said previously

[smoky dock]

Aw gotcha and I don’t know what I am talking about?

[mortal brook]

bear is middle pack tbh. going chonky is a reasonable dam loss in higher push

[cobalt seal]

depends on what you say

[mortal brook]

and they kinda need to go chonky unlike say a ppal or pwar

[cobalt seal]

no chonky only dmg

[smoky dock]

@cobalt seal lol funny guy

[mortal brook]

unless ofc you use the secret strat

[cobalt seal]

see

[jade pulsar]

Hehe i get that, hope u get lucky with choosing whats right for u 😛

[cobalt seal]

you understand

[mortal brook]

bringing a main tank

[finite narwhal]

and do you think vdh is more pug friendly aswell or that is more for prot? 🙂

[cobalt seal]

prot for sure

[cobalt seal]

when do you update the bear graph?

[limpid anchor]

Vdh is more difficult

[mortal brook]

the what

[limpid anchor]

So prot is prob more pug friendly

[cobalt seal]

your beauty in DG pins?

[balmy canyon]

Am I misremembering or did shield wall used to be 50% DR, now it's 40% was that changed

[cobalt seal]

lets not get carried away lol

[mortal brook]

pins are updated

dunno why tf theyre still there but yknow

[cobalt seal]

that's not pre patch

[finite narwhal]

yeah thanks! I enjoy more vdh jumping and exploding spirit bombs, but I like mitigation and cds more on pwar, so I am kinda screwed hehe

[cobalt seal]

you slacking

[mortal brook]

dflight one is up

incarn rotation still the same

tbh

[modern brook]

possibly pog, likely either im wrong or its undocumented T-T

[mortal brook]

for prepatch

[finite narwhal]

it is really? I feel like opposite, vdh is breeze for me

[limpid anchor]

You played more vdh than I did, but overall I had the feeling that pwar survival is easier and you can make more mistakes than vdh. But im not 100% used to it yet while I played pwar extensively, so my view of difficulty mighty be wrong

[cobalt seal]

neither pwar or vdh are hard

press buttons - Profit

[limpid anchor]

Yes but a bit harder :D

[finite narwhal]

for me, vdh is easier than pwar and monk brew is even easier than pwar

[limpid anchor]

Brew gets slapped

[finite narwhal]

but maybe thats because I played brew the most

[limpid anchor]

And you need to actually play

[cobalt seal]

you are misplaying brew if you think it's ez

war is see button press button

[finite narwhal]

I dont misplay it, I am 100% sure

[limpid anchor]

Did you play beta?

[finite narwhal]

not Beta, only SL all seasons and prepatch now

[limpid anchor]

Preparch is w/e and it changed since sl

[finite narwhal]

and with prepatch, monk has even more defensive with exploding keg, dampen harm, diffuse magic etc

[cobalt seal]

you simply can't compare SL brew to DF brew in terms of dif

SL brew is kinda "braindead"

[limpid anchor]

I only tried a bit and I got slapped compared to other tanks

[cobalt seal]

press purify more

[limpid anchor]

But the ping makes it a tad more difficult as well

[finite narwhal]

you got always slapped, when doing keys 25+, you had hp like bdk almost

[limpid anchor]

Beta dungeons aren’t fun :/

[mellow quartz]

they are fun to me 🤷‍♂️

[finite narwhal]

didnt try beta dungeons, but with prepatch, brew has tons of key binds, but its not that hard

[limpid anchor]

yes but not if i die on my bdk bcs i had a sec delay :D

[cobalt seal]

Why would you die on a bdk

[limpid anchor]

bcs i cant press buttons :(

[cobalt seal]

Ofc you can

You press them

And thats it

[modern brook]

[limpid anchor]

yes but nothing happens and then im dead :<

[cobalt seal]

Skill issue

Should have press them harder

[toxic pewter]

Prot warr new training wheel tank

I’m leaving prot warr for first time ever. God speed.

[cobalt seal]

From the brews i saw playing their hp isnt really bdk but sure

[foggy wigeon]

The missing healing and extra hp from tier deffo hurt but it’s just getting used to and the hp still doesn’t bounce “that “ much as long as you are using brews properly

[cobalt seal]

Brew only needs small stuff

[foggy wigeon]

Btw cro you used to be bear main right ? Did ya try it after the 50% aura ?

[mortal brook]

all the

small things

[toxic pewter]

It’s just offputting 5 of the 6 are basically immortal then you have brew with a more rubber bandy health bar than bdk with less self sustain

Gotta beg your healer not to ignore you like they can the other tanks

[cobalt seal]

I was what

https://tenor.com/view/michael-scott-steve-carell-the-office-cringe-gif-17778800

[foggy wigeon]

Idk I just remember first seeing you in bear discord lol 😄

[toxic pewter]

I think he’s a vdh player if I recall correctly

[foggy wigeon]

Nvm apologies

[cobalt seal]

You should watch good brews

[mortal brook]

bear pfps are deceiving. except when they arent

[somber shell]

brew is pain

it's like playing EDM music on a fucking church organ and teh healer is sweating bullets to keep you up

[waxen cradle]

So after looking at WoWheads post of patch notes for Phase 2 stating these are accurate with "ALL" changes made on the beta I am seeing no mention of the bloodsurge nerf. Are we maybe going to dodge that silver bullet. I sure hope so and it would be awesome if that is the case.

[toxic pewter]

I mean even good brew players they’re doing fine but can’t deny their self sustain is weakest of all tanks right now

[cobalt seal]

No they arent

[toxic pewter]

And stagger % is at lowest of all time

[cobalt seal]

They still misplaying like no tomorrow

Stagger fixes itself with ilvl

[toxic pewter]

Is it their talents they’re picking wrong or what

Too much dps

I will say brew has a lot of defensive talents most people are not taking which could be the reason most think they’re weak

[foggy wigeon]

Tbh if I can put my own two cents on it again ,like I’m no genius player and Ofc the player power increased now with talents but I didn’t really seem to have that much issue doing few 19-20s yesterday

Like the stagger build up was noticeable but I got adjusted to it

[toxic pewter]

It’s well known and widely agreed brew is weakest tier defensively in beta for a while now

But I agree it’s not as bad as many are saying

[somber shell]

I found brew to be challening when I got 'under water' and celestial and some of the other big CDs weren't available.

[toxic pewter]

Like @cobalt seal said they just need a small buff

[foggy wigeon]

Wasn’t the absolute wall that I get now on war just because eh 100% SB is hard to beat but still didn’t seem to be like “that much of a doom and gloom”

[somber shell]

dampen magic is really powerful though

[foggy wigeon]

That’s why I take it kek 😄

[somber shell]

*diffuse magic

[toxic pewter]

I do like how they take so much more healing and even offer some of that to the party. But even then it’s like a lot less than bears can heal entire party now every 200 rage they spend. It’s nuts.

[foggy wigeon]

I didn’t really seen the numbers of bear before the aura but was the flat 50% to pretty much everything warranted on them ?

[toxic pewter]

Everything except moonfire pretty much

[foggy wigeon]

( or rather I saw they numbers before they messed around with moonfire and they were then in near middle of the pack )

Just idk 50% seems like overkill after they adjusted tooth and claw and rage of the sleeper with healing

[cobalt seal]

it's not

they are on pair with everyone else now

they just need the healing talent nerfed

[foggy wigeon]

So the moonfire nerf hit them that much ?. Cuz they were pretty much on par with everyone before it

[cobalt seal]

no they weren't

not even close

bear was like 20-30% behind

before the aura

[toxic pewter]

Is brewmaster damage too high or is that overblown

[strong forum]

brew's aoe is leagues ahead of other tanks

in ST theyre up there with bear and bdk

[quaint slate]

Hat are some essential add ons you guys recommend for Prot?

[waxen cradle]

Did we dodge the bullet on the Bloodsurge nerf or will we have to wait for servers to come up

[strong forum]

nothing truly essential, but basic buff trackers are quite

[limpid anchor]

Don’t forget that prepatch is no indication at a lil

[strong forum]

brew is far more cursed at level 60 than other tanks

there is no denying that brew is a tad weaker than other tanks defensively, but its not as big as some people make it out to be

its just that brew is alot more punishing to play now

its now the new prot warrior defensively speaking

[toxic pewter]

I have a feeling some brewmaster tuning will come out soon

[radiant magnet]

played both on beta and it's just a difference in scale. screw up on prot, you take a hit and can recover. screw up on brew and it freakin hurts

if you can play properly though, both are fine

[toxic pewter]

Just so much magic damage going on brew has trouble with magic

Even with diffuse magic

[cobalt seal]

pls dont

[toxic pewter]

Lol wat

It’s well known and documented brew has trouble with heavy magic damage

[cobalt seal]

LOL

[toxic pewter]

I can say the sky is blue and you’ll just say the opposite

[cobalt seal]

And I can quote you the Brew TC saying that's wrong

[radiant magnet]

which sky? kinda gray here

[cobalt seal]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[toxic pewter]

🧐

[foggy wigeon]

I mean stagger does work worse with magic damage .

But fat absorb shield from celestial brew doesn’t discriminate damage types

[strong forum]

the issue isnt magic dmg

the issue is frequent high intensity magic dmg

cuz at some point youll run out of CDs

[cobalt seal]

but people have a thing for magic dmg

like pwar is weak against magic dmg

[strong forum]

people often lose their shit at "but magic dmg"

when all it highlights

is people sucking at using CDs properly

[jagged pier]

alright former bear player

[toxic pewter]

Yeah that’s why I said heavy magic damage…

[cobalt seal]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-whip-angry-dad-gif-15082707

[toxic pewter]

But I could of worded it better

[cobalt seal]

heavy magic dmg isn't the same as constant heavy magic dmg

[ionic roost]

Bunch of people playing/making videos are also actively skipping out on a free 5% DR and some additional brew CDR which comes out to about 10-20% more CB uptime

[cobalt seal]

the former is way harder to happen lol

[ebon gorge]

That is a mis-statement. It’s consistent magic not heavy

[toxic pewter]

Well that’s what m+ is when I refer to heavy magic damage

[cobalt seal]

m+ is what?

oh no

[wooden radish]

nerf druids

[cobalt seal]

I took 30% magic dmg

[foggy wigeon]

Tbh is any tank realistically equipped to continuously take very high magic damage ? I mean dh and dk come to mind but idk even if they could handle something like that very well

[agile elbow]

Listen with brewmasters higher dps as a tank just kill the magic casting mobs before they kill you. Ezclap.

[cobalt seal]

what I'm gonna do

[toxic pewter]

You’re just mincing words at this point

Everyone knows what I meant

[strong forum]

thats the funny thing right, people make claims about tanks during the period where all classes in the game have had the biggest rework in all of wow history, and somehow theyre experts at multiple tanks in a short period of time

[ebon gorge]

Brew is good with heavy hits due to CB and other CDs. Where it suffers is constant ticking damage at the magic rate of stagger

[strong forum]

like

[cobalt seal]

this for sure made any sense

[viral arch]

95-99% phys damage

heavy magic damage

[golden pollen]

That's majority of content maker for tanks lol

[toxic pewter]

Well ya there’s not many one shot magic spells in m+

It’s just consistent annoying magic happening

[strong forum]

which is why i cant watch a single tank content creator

[viral arch]

Ah yes

[strong forum]

its just riddled with half information

[wooden radish]

there is more tank focused magic damage in dragonflight S1 but the profile is still mostly physical.

[strong forum]

and thats where good CD management comes in 🙂

[cobalt seal]

is there?

[wooden radish]

yes?

[cobalt seal]

because most casts were party wide

[toxic pewter]

Right that’s why I mentioned even with diffuse magic brew still struggles

[viral arch]

lots of magic tankbusters

but like

[radiant magnet]

those same content makers and personalities telling you how terrible monk is now... told you how unplayable prot warrior was in SLs

[viral arch]

you use CDs

[wooden radish]

^

[cobalt seal]

instead of tank

[viral arch]

or you die trying

[wooden radish]

what Mandl said

[viral arch]

🤷‍♂️

[strong forum]

RLP, azure vault

[viral arch]

if anything what DF is highlighting is how bad most "tank experts" are at using their kit

because, all of a sudden, it turns out it's something that's tested

[strong forum]

AA is w/e, HoV is whatever besides Hyrja

smbg is

idk wtf that dungeon is tbh

[wooden radish]

hyrja isn't that scary for the tank

[viral arch]

it got massively adjusted since last tiem you did it I think

[wooden radish]

its scary for everyone else

[strong forum]

did it last weekend

i cant make my mind up about it being too easy

or gets 1 shotty on the early packs too soon

[junior brook]

Probably got asked already multiple times, but how heavy did the recent changes hit us?

[wooden radish]

the double elemental pull at the end still monka

[viral arch]

yeah

but it's monka for your group

[wooden radish]

ya

[strong forum]

the dmg nerf is w/e, but the rage bug/nerf from bloodsurge is fucking noticable

[cobalt seal]

in theory its not there

in the wowhead datamine

but it's wowhead

so who knows

[crude notch]

I think if any one made a definitive list of the tanks they'd be wrong, any tank player is gonna have bias towards certain tanks. Whether you're a full time content creator or you're an egomaniac theorycrafter.

[junior brook]

thanks

[golden pollen]

I don't understand the need for tier list unless it's pushing for highest key and most content creator don't even come near that

[strong forum]

there isnt

[cobalt seal]

Even then

You dont need a list

[ocean bloom]

people like to listen to people explain things especially when they agree/disagree

[crude notch]

There isn't a need for tier lists, but people complaining about tier lists feed tier list consumption more than the creating tier lists themselves.

[sweet summit]

if you're pushing for the highest of keys you already know what you should play

a tier list would not do anything for you

[golden pollen]

Never did lol

When u enjoy warrior, screw everything else lol

[toxic pewter]

People wanna know wat is best

It will never end

[crude notch]

If people stopped complaining about tier lists and instead just ignored them, they'd go away. It's the fact that they create such polarising conversations that's why people keep making them for any game or anything really. Hell dreamgrove had an all day discussion across multiple channels about a vegetable tier list.

[viral arch]

You're the one coming in with not-even-half-true regurgitated bullshit info friendo

🤷‍♂️

[toxic pewter]

Lol wat u mean

That just human nature

[golden pollen]

Lol, I wish content creator makes tips and tricks video instead, those r better to educate player and improve thier m+ runs

[viral arch]

This is not "human nature", this is "fucking moronic behavior"

[sweet summit]

[ionic roost]

Nah they're click magnets for the middle ground casuals

[toxic pewter]

Tier lists will never stop as long as humans who are subjective creatures crave objectivity

[viral arch]

it's "well known" just like somehow there's a conspiracy around how stagger works when said player purified twice as much so it's twice as effective

[toxic pewter]

Yah heavy sustained magic damage that’s well known

You’re just mincing words at this point

[crude notch]

You really ignored me referencing the fact that tier lists are used for literally everything.

[ionic roost]

Your list is upside down, people don't realize how hard it is to shove broccoli up your ass

[sweet summit]

it's not ?

[jagged pier]

get a better ass

[strong forum]

ok

[plush tendon]

I dont believe in tier list, just spec stocks

[viral arch]

yo @strong forum

[golden pollen]

Wait till there's a tier list for tier list

[viral arch]

the inflation meme from bear torupe

would come in handy right now

[deft hinge]

only solution for tiers is rotate the metas monthly or such

[crude notch]

That wouldn't solve tier lists.

[deft hinge]

it would solve much

[strong forum]

the peak thing?

[toxic pewter]

Tier lists cannot be solved though. They are human nature

[strong forum]

theyre so much human nature that ive never ever looked at one out of actual interest?

come on breh

[toxic pewter]

It’s like saying you don’t judge people

[sweet summit]

i have never seen a normal human being reference a tier list so i do not believe they are human nature

[deft hinge]

if they rotate, people wont give in to other classes and play what they love

[toxic pewter]

I mean humans rank order. It’s what we do

[viral arch]

it's funny how up until like 3 weeks ago it was also well known that prot warrior was weak vs magic damage

[toxic pewter]

Cannot escape the rank

Can wish it away all you want

But it remains

[viral arch]

and yet somehow all of a sudden everybody's a brew expert and everybody decreed that the tank that takes literally fuck all damage outside of magic, and literally just needs to have a CD per magic tankbuster, is weak vs magic damage

but it's all well known

just like the stagger conspiracy

[crude notch]

And BDK scaling. 😄

[golden pollen]

Lol

[toxic pewter]

It’s the same thing like people that say “I don’t judge anyone”

[strong forum]

m8

its

a fucking video game

[crude notch]

apb I had you blocked for a reason, care to enlighten what it was?

[hazy thicket]

It's wild how this has been the (misinformed) warrior narrative forever until apparently this week? Lmao

[toxic pewter]

Right… a game created by humans… that cannot escape human nature

[deft hinge]

go watch sandman, everyone is gay or lesbian. blizz can/have to change aswell

[viral arch]

oh I know dude

like

[golden pollen]

Everyone's a wow expert the moment they put in a opinion

[strong forum]

apb sorry but like

your reasoning is fucking gobshite

[toxic pewter]

We don’t have to like tier lists and I don’t… but cannot escape or solve tier lists

[viral arch]

and now we're on teh generalities

you guys ready for the buzzwords to come in next?

[sweet summit]

what revelation happened last week lol

[toxic pewter]

I mean it’s just human nature though. Everything we do is based on an underlying tier list

[viral arch]

some streamers discovered shield block

[strong forum]

^

[sweet summit]

no way

[strong forum]

pretty much

[hazy thicket]

Nothing, just that warrior has been replaced with brew apparently in the 'magic damage bad' meme

[sweet summit]

that's crazy for real for real

[strong forum]

as ive stated weeks ago

[viral arch]

I'm not even kidding BTW

[strong forum]

only now people are re-discovering shield block

[viral arch]

turns out magic damage stops becoming a problem when you remove all the phys damage around it