protection

[jagged pier]

i mean im 30 secs in and the man is talking the truth

'if u dont have 100 hours of all the specs play, u cant make a teir list'

100% correct

yep correct way to do tier list spin the wheel

[cobalt seal]

Just dont watch his streams

Or he will do the 180 of that video lol

[sweet summit]

based video

[kindred niche]

Excellent message. The TLDR version: the future is naturally unpredictable. Player engagement with the spec more than makes a spec you like to play "meta", and for high keys, Io/utility (need a Brez? DK, Pally or Druid) >> community perception. Only a dumbass will pick a sub 1k io "PWar" over a 3k Brew.

[blazing condor]

Tier lists barely do much for the top players anyway

Unless youre like actually realistically competing for WF

[sweet summit]

there's also the implied notion that the power difference between the tiers are noticeable at worst, when in reality it's not that big of a jump most of the time

[silk pine]

Hey I saw that many people pick hr instead of into the fray. 10% haste sounds to me way better than hr. It should be possible to keep 100% uptime on shield block without hr.

Or am I wrong about that becouse of low haste at start of the Expansion

[sweet summit]

_ _

[hardy snow]

into the fray doesnt guarantee 10% haste, its easy to mainain max stacks only in raid fight

[sweet summit]

expansion has not started yet

[jagged pier]

your also more likely to run HR in raids because most damage comes from SS

so u want block up all the time

[silk pine]

Yes but in single target Spiked shield should have less value than bolster right?

[jagged pier]

not really no

u have 100% uptime without it

and bolster doesnt give u any damage

where spikeed shield does when your tanking at least

and u arent running unvering so its even worse to use LS

because it doesnt do anything

[silk pine]

Yeah but if you pick into the fray (which gives u damage an tankiness)instead of hr. And than bolster to keep 100% uptime on shieldblock

[jagged pier]

it doesnt give u ither over hr and hr gives the same

gives both damage and more tankiness than more haste

as lost of things are blockable

[silk pine]

Ok thank you. Thought with more haste u can have more shield slams which means more dps overall and probably even a bit more tanky.

[jagged pier]

the reason we go for haste is for SB uptime and SS rests due to talents we dont need the haste as much its still our best secondary but dropping HR for it just isnt right at the start of the expansion

[silk pine]

Later in the Expansion with more haste and lower shield block CD it should work without hr right?

[jagged pier]

again it might but its still likely less damage as 30-40% of your ST ddamage is SS

so having SB even when not tanking is a massive increase to your damage

[silk pine]

Alright thank you

[mellow quartz]

Haven’t tested if it’s the case on ST but on 4 targets ITF and Bolster does more damage than HR and Spikes while maintaining 100% SB uptime.

[jagged pier]

theres no context to that what difficulity, what mobs, how long was the fight?

and also your main focus if your tanking 4 mobs is to mitigate the damage so dropping SB for ITF is just dumb

[mellow quartz]

I said 100% sb uptime.

Was 6min on dummies and manually added in spiked dps

[jagged pier]

right so thats not accurate at all them

because spiked it literally dependant per mob

some bosses spikes does nothing

because they hardly melee

on others it does loads

[mellow quartz]

Looking at some boss fight logs spiked have done between 1-1.2k dps

Was getting 4-5k more dps with ITF

[silk pine]

Does Spikes trigger on every attack per mob or does it have a internal CD per mob. As Exemple the birds in spires of ascension attack really Quick.

[jagged pier]

okay good for u we were talking about ST tho so coming in and talking about 4-5 targets

isnt useful

in m+ your not even guarnteed to have full stacks all the time

anyway

also on beta you can liegit give yourself ideal gear

[mellow quartz]

I just mentioned it as a comment not as a one way or the other for the ST discussion 🤷‍♂️

[jagged pier]

which we wont have at the start of the expansion

theres so many factors thats you didnt even add to the comment. and would be good to show of a log of it

because 6 mins with 100% without HR pretty @strong forum didnt even do that

i could be wrong

[compact fiber]

Can someone explain what these recent changes to prot are and how they effect us in the grand sceme of things? I like how prot is doing atm. Is this the calm before the nerf storm?

[mellow quartz]

He was testing without bolster and just swapping HR for ITF straight up.

[jagged pier]

hes spent 50 hours testing id be suprised if he didnt test it

[mellow quartz]

His comment abt 6min I mean

[steel bane]

I know this I mean spell block not reflect

[mellow quartz]

He said he could keep SB up abt 6min with just ITF and ED and SC

[jagged pier]

rage nerfs sucks, damage nerf wasnt needed ither as we are supposed to be in dstance most of the time. in the grand scheme of things it was the nerfs werent needed or warranted as they buffed like every other tank

[silk pine]

How high is the shield block CD in beta right now? Without current haste it should be way higher.

[sour compass]

Do we go shockwave with both the talents under in m+?

[jagged pier]

no

using a stop as a dps button is dumb

you will also DR the mobs

[compact fiber]

I mean, I don't really feel starved for rage in beta atm. Is there a % that it was nerfed by?

[pale roost]

what are these nerfs to prot you guys talking about cant find them? only the execute change which i understood as being a buff no?

[sweet summit]

i had like like 19% haste on beta with scaled gear iirc so roughly 15.1 sec

[jagged pier]

well me and nome play a different game to u guys but you should be feeling the bloodsurge nerf regardless at the start of pulls and on ST.

[jagged pier]

bloodsurge proc rate was nerfed to 7% and TC and revenge got nerfed giving us a 6% aoe nerf and a like 2% ST nerf

but as our numbers are all compared while in bstance right now

[pale roost]

Ah i see

[jagged pier]

we are even further behind as dstance reduces damage we do

so instead of being like 10% behind bdk we are even further in higher content because thats when we would run dstance

and as bdk is still immortal we dont have any advantage there ither

[agile elbow]

Just reroll bear. 🙃

[mellow quartz]

the 6% damage nerf in keys came from nome relying on meyra and meyra relaying on nome 🙂 its more like 3% tbh

[jagged pier]

i mean thats still bear

[silk pine]

Since when 7% on blood surge?

[jagged pier]

like last week

only on beta atm

but comming on wednesday

[slim dove]

so 15% to 10% then another nerf to 7%?

[mellow quartz]

12s with 32% haste

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-and-pam-yes-gif-21499107

[slim dove]

gross

[jagged pier]

your very likely gunna just be playing instegate now

instead

its more rage than bloodsurge

[slim dove]

15% to 10% felt bad enough already

[mellow quartz]

blizzard said 10% but it went straight to 7%

they were just baiting us 🙂

but fingers crossed its just a bug that they used the arms version by mistake

[silk pine]

Ok I did not see the bluepost for this. only for revenge an thunderclap nerf lul

[mellow quartz]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/dragonflight-pre-expansion-phase-2-update-notes-329833

[deep spruce]

Does the buff to sidearm make it worth taking now?

[strong forum]

You can't even keep that up with 5 stacks of itf + 30% base haste

With bolster + Ed + bulwark, sure

But I have played with the thought of dropping HR, get itf + bolster

Nails obv loses massive value when you aren't actively tanking

On training dummy nails does over 2k dps, but that's also cuz he hits so frequently

And obv itf does more dmg than HR on 4 targets

[fervent dune]

Shield Slam resets really frequently,** and it is your highest-priority skill**. Wasting globals on other skills when Shield Slam is active is a pretty big Rage and damage loss, so make a concerted effort to practice hitting it IMMEDIATELY when its cooldown resets. If you can do this, you will significantly increase your damage and Rage generation.
Even in Aoe? 😮

[jagged pier]

yes if your learning

there are some times on big enough pulls were u dont need to

but dont worry about that

tbh with bloodsurge nerf

u still probably will always prio SS again anyway

[silk pine]

Yes it does alot of damage and gives most of ur rage which also mean higher Avatar uptime.
I could be wrong, but the order is SS《 TC《 revenge.

[fervent dune]

very helpful, ty guys!

I could be wrong, but the order is SS《 TC《 revenge.
that wouldve been my next question, tyty

[silk pine]

If you can execute u execute instead of revenge. I think if you have 3 or 4 targets u revenge again

[jagged pier]

at the moment yes

when u have tier in DF probably not

[strong forum]

Nah, as soon as you have more than 1 target

That's when you revenge

Revenge is more damage per rage as soon as you get 2 targets

[knotty idol]

That's kinda sad to hear

[strong forum]

You have the niche case of prio mob that needs to die

[jagged pier]

blame bliz

🤷

[strong forum]

But it's literally only the case with 2 targets

On 3+ you never press execute cuz seismic

[knotty idol]

Give us a talent for execute cleave 🙏

[clear spindle]

MEGA - Make Execute Great Again

[mellow quartz]

I played a few keys with this yesterday and it felt like ass tbh. Not sure why but probably cause it forced me to spend more rage on SB more often than before to keep it up instead of getting extensions with HR. Maybe it's just a matter of getting used to it but I have been so used to playing HR for all beta so far.

[radiant magnet]

In case anyone is using macros and having to button swap based on talents, this works now:

/cast [known:Titanic Throw][@finite dirgeover,exists,nodead] Titanic Throw; Heroic Throw

basically [known:spellname] replaces the old [talent:1,2]

[urban portal]

Didn’t titanic throw replace heroic by default anyways

That’s like having a macro to change your spell to condemn

[radiant magnet]

yes, but doesnt include the mouseover element

[limpid anchor]

Doesn’t the new cast on hover option cover that

[radiant magnet]

cast on hover is bugged much like auto loot. 50/50 chance it works.

my experience in beta anyway. not reliable vs macro always working.

[mellow quartz]

is there a way to macro your dragon riding mount or a ground mount so it always casts the dragon mount if in a dragon riding zone otherwise a ground mount?

its super annoying you cant use your dragon mount as a ground mount in keys etc other than Nokhud

[radiant magnet]

not that I've found yet, but will check options later

[strong forum]

I still send SB on CD just out of habit, I don't even think about it

Literally 0 thoughts, head empty

[cobalt seal]

like you ever used your head

[strong forum]

I use my head to bang against a boss until he gives up

[cobalt seal]

for a reason you are asleep 50% of the time on pulls

[strong forum]

Someone has to

[cobalt seal]

with affix

[oak echo]

there used to be a macro in early SL that would choose maw-accessible mounts if you were in the maw instead of normal mounts so i imagine something similar could be done for what you're talking about. i deleted that macro a long time ago unfort

[modern brook]

sadge

[oak echo]

i think it was this one that i just found on reddit...
/run m=C_Map.GetBestMapForUnit("player");if(m==1543 or m==1648)then C_MountJournal.SummonByID(1441);else C_MountJournal.SummonByID(0);end

the 1543/1648 are zone ids for where you'd want to choose a dragon riding mount and the 1441 is the mount id itself. the 0 at the end does a random mount so you could also replace that with a specific ground mount ID

[acoustic grotto]

The many nerfs/buffs (wanted and unwanted) recently made us a lot weaker than we were weeks ago ?
In comparison, bdk seems be godlike (as we were) or my perception is distorted by the different opinions on twitter/discord/youtube&co ?

(Actually i so much love the feeling of playing pwar, the gameplay is really cool, but i'm thinking about my future alt :p)

[modern brook]

do you like playing prot warrior?

or do you like playing the best tank in the game currently

[oak echo]

Warrior still looks pretty unkillable every time I see it played in beta keys. Not as strong damage wise as some other tanks though

[plush tendon]

^ this is pretty much my experience; it also plays a bit slower then where it was at the start

[acoustic grotto]

As i said, i so much love pwar and i will main it 100%. I'm checking things for my alt(s).

[plush tendon]

but if you like the design philosophy of Prot, youll enjoy it. They introduce/reintroduced a lot of good stuff

and chances are itll be a good class throughout the expansion; nothing seems to be fundamentally wrong with how the spec plays (except maybe execute)

[cobalt seal]

play what you enjoy

if you want to play what's best

you better have all 6 tanks ready

[limpid anchor]

He asked about an alt

Or was the pwar the alt

[jagged pier]

play 👏 what 👏 you 👏 enjoy 👏 the 👏 most 👏

[limpid anchor]

But pwar should not be played

Bad class

Give us buffs

[jagged pier]

we should really cry and moan like the bdks but eh

[plush tendon]

One change they need to do is remove WW when you get Revenge

[sick sentinel]

nerf dk

[plush tendon]

too many goddamn new protties pressing WW

[acoustic grotto]

I totally forget we have ww and slam xD i just let it in my bookspell haha

[oak echo]

Tbf i think you have to use them in early levels just from not having other abilities so the game doesn't do new players any favors there

[plush tendon]

I mean thats fair... but once you have revenge, why spend rage on WW?

[oak echo]

the same reason people do everything in this game

not knowing any better

should it be obvious? maybe. but it isn't always

[plush tendon]

Prot War is gonna get the Season 1 DH experience... we are gonna see a lot of INTeresting stuff

I can sense it

[ionic fern]

I know people who press WW because it looks better.

Can't blame them though, literally doesn't matter for them which button they press due to the content they choose to do.

[jagged pier]

WW is 360

its bis

C:

[oak echo]

also true in some cases lol

and those are the people that aren't coming to class discords to understand how to play. they're just happy to be there

[ionic fern]

Jep.

[cobalt seal]

then you have the defenders of ww conduit

doing more dmg

[plush tendon]

I guess there is a place for WW.... how else am I supposed to hold aggro on mobs behind me?

[ionic fern]

180 no scope Revenge.

[radiant magnet]

if only TC was 360

/wishlist

[plush tendon]

yea, but you have to talent into Thunderclap

[chilly brook]

I mean if we want 360s

BrM is king

[median tulip]

Give us Fury's version of WW, with Rage gen and cleaving abilities, and then I'll put it on my bars

If WW Cleaved Shield Slam then I would press it

[oak echo]

trying to picture mechanically how that would work lol. just grab your shield and swing it across everything in front of you

https://tenor.com/view/steel-chair-gif-19049284

[mellow quartz]

thanks, this looks interesting. Any idea how to get zone ID numbers?

would have to put in each dungeon as a zone

[oak echo]

wowhead has all that info. same with the mount IDs

[mellow quartz]

not updated for DF unfortunately

[oak echo]

at least i think that's the ID it uses, never tried it myself

[mellow quartz]

oh the content table gives an error but the expansion list on the right works

for the zones I mean

[oak echo]

also, if you use favorite mounts, it's always possible the pick random favorite will work by default. i just know it didn't for the maw for some reason

[mellow quartz]

sweet

/run m=C_Map.GetBestMapForUnit("player");if(m==13644 or m==13645 or m==13646 or m==13647 or m==13982)then C_MountJournal.SummonByID(368901);else C_MountJournal.SummonByID(0);end

this works as long as the dragon mount is set to favorite (the ID 368901 one)

those are all the zones including Nokhud Offensive

[oak echo]

like tried it on beta?

[mellow quartz]

yup

best macro ever

[limpid anchor]

That’s nice

[mellow quartz]

so tired of having to click 2 different mounts

[limpid anchor]

What’s the id 0?

[mellow quartz]

hmm worked in orgrimmar, outside zones in DF and inside Nokhud offensive but not inside AA which does not allow for a ground mount

[oak echo]

uses a random. idk if it's random favorite or just random of everything

[mellow quartz]

wonder why that is

[limpid anchor]

Ah I see

[mellow quartz]

oh shit, AA the dungeon is inside one of the zones listed as using the dragon mount 😦

can you make a 'if not a dungeon' code to the macro perhaps?

[oak echo]

i'm sure there's a way because WAs utilize that info but no idea how you'd macro it or if it makes it insanely long or w/e

[copper cedar]

hey guys, back after long break. quick question: was spell reflect changed that the DR stays up even after a reflected spell? is that a new dragonflight thing or has it been like that for some time?

[sturdy sable]

New to df

[copper cedar]

that is very nice

[blazing condor]

thunderclap is also 360

[modern brook]

[limpid anchor]

Ww as well

[blazing condor]

yeah but ww doesnt have cool thunder effects

unless you spec that in diablo 3

[plush tendon]

Yea, but I need to WW in my no thunderclap talent build

or else how can I do 360 degree damage?

[blazing condor]

Heroic Leap

[oak echo]

if you spin your camera really fast while you're revenging it bet it gets close to a full circle

[delicate iron]

Not sure if you guys have seen it yet but there you go, read and learn!

[hot canyon]

Hello, i recently came back to my prot warrior i leveled a year ago with old talent system. I have Slam on my bar, should i ever use it?

[delicate iron]

No

Shield slam, yes

[hot canyon]

Got it, ty

[knotty idol]

Slam with sword? No cringe go play a dps
Slam with shield? Yes based shield king

Equip 2 shields and slam with both

[limpid ravine]

what professions should I go as warrior?

[modern brook]

yes

[plush tendon]

Anything you want

Engineering is nice though; I think it still has bres yea?

[lofty widget]

anyone can get engi res afaik

[jagged pier]

anyone can use like anything from most profs

its just if u can make it or not

[lofty widget]

well engi res has prof restriction in SL

[oak echo]

Slam, ww and rend just stay in the spellbook

[plush tendon]

professions are kind of whatever; though I should probably take a look through them

[cobalt seal]

not really

[plush tendon]

On wrath classic being a engineer is game changing with nitroboost.... wonder if that is still around

[cobalt seal]

you just have a higher % failure rate if you aren't engi

[oak echo]

Are you sure? I swear it has a hard requirement

[plush tendon]

I think the fact that we dont know just goes to show how little priority professions have become

in terms of combat

[lofty widget]

engi still has wormholes tho, so i wont be changing any time soon

[plush tendon]

yea, Engi is bis for toys and quality of life

then its alchemy cause they get longer flasks

[knotty idol]

Think alchemy will feel even better in DF because flasks are shorter duration

[cobalt seal]

it's exactly the same

[limpid anchor]

You gotta spec into it tho

[limpid anchor]

And it’s 30 min compared to 1h on normal flasks in sl

[knotty idol]

Imagine flasks being 30 mins in SL and needing to pop a flask after every 2 Sylvanus pulls 💀

[cobalt seal]

it's the same thing, alch gets 2x the duration

[knotty idol]

But flask duration are different so in DF you'll presumably save a lot of gold through saving flask uses

Also just popping a flask every 30 mins is kinda awful imo

[plush tendon]

and glacial fury still does silly damage on beta

we gonna be chugging pots like they are capri suns

[oak echo]

The relative gold saving should be the same. You're just spending twice as much on flasks as the alchs like you do today. Duration is irrelevant

In fact 30 is better in the long run because you're not running into ending a raid 20 mins after a flask is popped and killing the rest of the duration in oribos

[knotty idol]

Depends what the crafting recipe is like and availability of crafting materials once raid comes out, I like the 2 hour long pots for scheduled raid nights tho 2 pots for a 4 hour sesh works nicely

[mellow quartz]

you need to unlock the 'phial mastery' specilization in alchemy to get 1h flasks

[cobalt seal]

so. 500x2 and 500 is dif than 500x4 vs 500x2?

it's still 500vs1000 or 1000vs2000

the dif is still 2x

it didn't change

[modern brook]

bro double gathering will make so much money early on

might just do that instead of leveling

[blazing condor]

how bout you gather some

[mellow quartz]

actually with alchemy do you gain 2h or 1.5h from Phials? the standard is 30min but when you specialize in Phials you get another 30min and then you can again specify into frost Phials which says in the tooltip it adds another 30min but looking at my buff it says '2h left' but I think that is still just 1h 30min and not full 2h

[balmy canyon]

30 min flasks is gonna be nice for m+, an hour you do one key take a while to find the next one and by the time you're ready checking the second you need to flask again. 30 min flasks mean you flask every dungeon with no dead time

[mellow quartz]

multiple keys are longer than 30min

[modern brook]

T-T

[knotty idol]

We don't know how expensive flasks will be in DF tho, you might save a pretty penny only needing to pop 1 flask and hour as opposed to 2 and the M+ point is also kinda tragic say a key is 40 mins that means you wasting a lot of your second pot

[cobalt seal]

you want me to do the math with 5k and 10k?

[cobalt seal]

and wasting alot on your 1 pot

so what exactly is your point?

[oak echo]

when your group asks why your overall is low you gotta tell them they shoulda cleared the dungeon 10 mins faster

sorry bro flask ran out what do you want from me

[modern brook]

just pop another flask 4head

[knotty idol]

"We weren't gonna time anyway so I didn't use second flask"

[oak echo]

actually me

[ebon geyser]

ok , who was it

[jagged pier]

3rd time posted today

[ebon geyser]

dont bully me jakey... i just came home from work

[slow shale]

At any point in WoW, while leveling, does it teach you that you can't Dodge block or parry anything that is hitting you in the back?

[jagged pier]

dont think so

[blazing condor]

nop dont think so

[cobalt seal]

Yes. Its called release button

[mellow quartz]

this game doesn't tell you anything abt the game

[oak echo]

the r/wow crew is hitting the discords hard today

[oak echo]

like everything else in this game it eventually just becomes common knowledge through huge amounts of failure

[knotty idol]

I suppose you could see your character not using their shield when you get hit in the back

But that's kinda obscure

[oak echo]

need there to be a parry animation

and watch dks just swing their sword wildly during DRW blocking everything

[knotty idol]

I was thinking of macroing stance swaps in with things like bstance with avatar and dstance with shield wall but it seems scuffed

[chilly brook]

Technically yes

[oak echo]

real talk i forget the last time i read one of those. but they should also make them readable at all times in game through some tutorials menu

like literally every other game does

if it helps there's a macro in pins that swaps them to save a button

i think tying it into certain abilities is asking for trouble

fair

[rugged mural]

So I’m hearing that prot warrior damage intake is mitigated too much on Beta. Are there thoughts on good ways to address this without gutting us?

[cobalt seal]

Stop listening to idiots

Thats a good way

[hollow sun]

exile reach had something about it i think

[oak echo]

tbh the rage generation nerf they did, while it sucks, was probably pretty effective at reducing overall mitigation. it just feels bad in every other way as a tradeoff

[hollow sun]

actually now that i think about it its written in the login screen tips

[oak echo]

regardless they are not "OP" no matter what streamers say

[cobalt seal]

Hmmm

[oak echo]

right like the alternative was make blocking less valuable which i'm pretty sure got buffed going into DF anyways?

[rugged mural]

So we’re not significantly sturdier than other tanks like monks?

[oak echo]

monk is an outlier. everything is a brick wall compared to a monk

[slow shale]

I learned WAY back in vanilla when I had installed a Scrolling combat text, and that one sand dungeon with all the beetles, filled up my screen with hits until I turned around.

[cobalt seal]

Thats normal lol

[grizzled nova]

what's the shield block duration cap?

[cobalt seal]

18 or 24

[lofty widget]

3x SB +15 from bolster

[grizzled nova]

so it's just 3x whatever the base duration is?

[oak echo]

yeah

[rugged mural]

But we are then?

[cobalt seal]

Like always...

[lofty widget]

because monk is weak, not the other way around 🙂

[oak echo]

right like the point of warrior as a design is that they are kings of physical damage mitigation. that doesn't require them to be nerfed though

[grizzled nova]

if you're asking whether brew or pwar takes more damage, monk takes more damage than a warrior

which isn't really an informative data point in a void, how damage is taken and why is a complicated question

[uneven mason]

Each tank deals with damage in a slightly different way. Warriors tend to be the highest mitigation (reducing damage as it comes in) overall there's not a massive gap in tankyness ATM, BRM could probably be buffed a bit in that department, however it's always a fine line with their spec, the difference between overpowered and squishy is generally down to properly managing CDs

[wary heath]

They are done tuning warriors

Latest nerfs proved that

We can be most tanky. Because we also don't do the most damage

[uneven mason]

I mean bdk is probably more tanky and does more damage 😉

[gritty swallow]

That’s a bold definitive statement

[uneven mason]

Bdk is always a safe bet for meta

[gritty swallow]

Considering there’s always a giant tuning round right after RWF

[wary heath]

Prior to launch I meant

I believe most of the tanks are in the same spot. And are all great. Except brew I don't think is quite up to the others in terms of mitigation and ease of play

[elder bay]

but it is just an aura buff, we know that is being changed

[oak echo]

in all fairness everyone knew that bear buff was coming. they were unusably bad

[chilly brook]

Hot take

Considering Dorki thinks they’re up to the task

Just not stupidly simple to play

[cobalt seal]

brew just needs small tweaks

nothing more

[sleek current]

Any WeakAura wizards about that can give me a hand with something?

[sweet summit]

@languid yoke

[outer thorn]

@sleek current Is it to get Clippy from microsoft word to remind you when you havent used your cooldowns? because I had an idea to make a weakaura for that

[mighty valley]

omg it's erga with a whole new look

[sand drum]

am I just playing bad if I cant beat a Bdk in raid dps ? :C

[strong forum]

Not rly no

Bdk is one of the highest dmg dealing tanks if played well

[proven depot]

hey guys any1 else feel like their arm is spazzing when tanking or am i getting old?

[strong forum]

Uhm

That's not a good sign, lemme tell you that

[proven depot]

i played guardian druid protwarr and fury and i felt my arm turning into stone

[minor helm]

[strong forum]

Should maybe try to change keybinds to a more comfortable layout to not put as much strain onto it

[minor helm]

Make sure to stretch

[strong forum]

Maybe adjust chair and arms position

Cuz uh, yeah, that shouldn't happen

[proven depot]

should raise arm rest or lower it?

[strong forum]

Your entire forearm should be on the same height as your hand

And neither should you need to raise or lower your shoulder

It should comfortably rest without any involvement of muscles required to be in position

[proven depot]

k thanx for the tips i had my arm rest at lower position than hand

[minor helm]

https://myhealth.alberta.ca/Health/Pages/conditions.aspx?hwid=zm2666

[strong forum]

Iirc the most healthy position for your hands is to rest the entire forearm on the desk, if it allows to do so

[minor helm]

Stretching and moving ur wrists can also help relieve some of the pain and help any future pain from popping up

[mellow quartz]

asking medical advise in discord....🤔

[oak echo]

I love this lol

[mellow quartz]

stand up, touch your toes, then touch your nose and do a 360

[sand drum]

using TC on scroll :> helps a bit imo

[proven depot]

cmon i know you guys are very helpful and wouldnt let a pup warrior suffering xD

[minor helm]

Guys my heartbeat is irregular, concerning?

[elder bay]

just listen to music with a different tempo

[fast knot]

Not even launch yet and some guildies are already on the Adderall and red bull

[oak echo]

Not making fun of you for asking I just really enjoy that the question was worded like "is this a feature of the class that it hurts my body"

[proven depot]

yea alot of ppl are returning for DF i got old friend who quit since WoD back and even new friends playing

hopefully blizz wont drop the ball this time too

[fast knot]

They are on Beta perfecting their strategies to level without latency or world crashes

[proven depot]

hey i KNOW thats a feature for fury cant be played without carpal tunnel

[fast knot]

Meanwhile launch is two weeks away

I know for a fact my server is going to immediately flop

[pallid quiver]

my arm spazzes sometimes but it ain't from playing warrior

that's from lifting heavy things literally every single day of the week for like a year for multiple hours a day

[somber shell]

how normal is it to see a lot of variability in the top dps abilities? I'm running a blood and thunder / boomin gvoice build.. here's workshop +17 and iron docks +20

do those breakdowns look sane?

I also had a run yesterday where shield slam was #1

[cobalt seal]

breakdowns dont tell the entire story

[somber shell]

yeah, I know it depends so much on a lot of variables

[uneven mason]

It shows you're either not pressing revenge enough or doing smaller pulls

[somber shell]

workshop doesnt have a lot of huge pulls

[uneven mason]

Well there you go

[somber shell]

hehe

[uneven mason]

Bigger pulls leads to revenge pulling ahead, if ss is top than for sure you're doing alot of st or just not filling GCD with rev

[somber shell]

mainly focusing on maintaining IP #1 then not overcapping rage by dumping via revenge

probably not doing anything super wrong I guess

could do better with necro banner

[uneven mason]

Don't even think about ip

Unless you feel like you're getting hammered

[somber shell]

I try to keep ip up to some degree at all times, is that wrong? hehe

[uneven mason]

Nah not wrong

[lofty widget]

using IP too much means you miss SS procs from revenge

which in turn leads to less rage gen

which is bad

[uneven mason]

But I've always prioritize rev over IP unless I'm drowning in rage then I press both

[lofty widget]

so you should only use it to dump rage when revenging isnt enough or if you take seriously high dmg

[somber shell]

oh really huh

[uneven mason]

This is why you macro ss to ip

[shell valve]

my guild is flaming me for thinking 2 shields would be thematically interesting for prot war D:

[somber shell]

heh is macroing ss to ip something most peopel do?

[uneven mason]

Like if I spent all dungeon pressing IP the healers would fall asleep

[lofty widget]

nah not my point, spending 35 rage on IP is 30 rage not going towards revenge which could be a nSS reset

[uneven mason]

You snipe more ss resets from rev and devastator

Remember IP isn't on n the gcd

[somber shell]

is the macro just /cast shield slam /cast ignore pain?

so basically if SS is up it hits SS, otherwise IP?

[uneven mason]

IP isn't on the gcd, it'll do both at once if ss is available and you have IP first

So it'll spend the rage before gaining more

[sturdy sable]

You use ignore pain to burn excess rage your going to have to make that informed decision theres no easy way to macro it to anything that would make sense

[lofty widget]

/cast ignore pain
/cast Shield slam

it replaces your IP bind, not your SS bind

[somber shell]

that makes sense

[uneven mason]

That

[uneven mason]

Thematically appropriate for paladins

[sturdy sable]

Pwar should use a 2h and a shield

That would be thematically appropriate

[uneven mason]

One because they keep throwing them and two because they need 2 shields worth of armor to not get pounded into the floor

Yeah pwar should have titans grip for tanking

Some obtuse monkey keeps giving into the smf crowd rather than the logical step of eliminating 1h from warriors for ever

[mighty valley]

please god no, i like reasonably sized weapons

[uneven mason]

Irony from a manga PFP

[oak echo]

LMAO

[prisma crane]

i completely agree

or, very least, let us mog it to a 2H, that's all i really care about

[sturdy sable]

Yeah

Honestly theyd scale it so it wouldn't be any different then a 1 hander anwyays

[uneven mason]

The reality of it is they're not going to do it because of animations

Using one hand animations with 2h is a clippy mess

You can check it out on wowheads model viewer

[somber shell]

I think it would be cool if you could scale down a 2h mog as a 1h.

blizzard could do a lot more with mog flexibility in general

[sage granite]

How does that work for fury?

[jagged pier]

tbh thanks to the bug in 9.0 i support 2h prot

but only as a look

[uneven mason]

Fury has their own set of animations and it's still a clippy mess

Like try not to pay too much attention to the swings, because once you see it you'll never unseen it

And it'll drive you insane

Do they?

[sturdy sable]

To be fair wow is kind of a clippy mess and best looked at through squints

[oak echo]

i just compromised and use the quel'serrar mog. that is a beefy 1h

[sturdy sable]

I use thunderfury

Is bigger

[uneven mason]

Chonky 1h confirmed

[sturdy sable]

Longer atleast

[jagged pier]

i fucking hope there arent guides that say this

[uneven mason]

I mean our wowheads guide is written by llaroldddd

So, maybe

Woof

Feeling outdated

[jagged pier]

i mean for pull thats correct

u send your cds and get rend ticking on a pack

[uneven mason]

Womp

[jagged pier]

and u always prio CDs before SS

thats not really a prio its literally saying use TC and SS on CD and before revenge if u have rage

i dont see the problem

[uneven mason]

Because you use ss and tc for rage

And in bigger pulls you're already swimming in it

[sturdy sable]

Yeah this is the nuance of aoe dps as a pwar

[mighty valley]

it's hard for a guide to outline an exact priority order that fits all pull sizes and cooldown situations

[sturdy sable]

You will get to a point in which your rage gen is enough to sustain revenge spams

Or atleast enough that you dont absolutely need to press slam and tc on cd

[uneven mason]

Tc for bleeds

[sturdy sable]

And if your end goal is just padding dps

You send revenges while maintaining your dots

[jagged pier]

its also generally not good practice to do it as i said this morning to someone when you have a better understanding of the class you can start thinking about stuff like that but yu need to learn correctly first

[sturdy sable]

Most guides dont include the nuances of classes

[jagged pier]

its generally bad practice to let SS sit

so guides are not going to write it

[oak echo]

the answer as with all things is "know your situation and your buttons" - the guide is targeted at people that are coming in with next to no class knowledge

[sturdy sable]

Yeah guides are good for that

Ppl who are new

If your past that it wont really have much useful info

^

You hit the nail on the head buddy

[oak echo]

is how i ended up here

[sturdy sable]

Class discs are great cause its a bunch of the same like minded ppl comparing notes

Hopefully lol

[oak echo]

well more like "i learned how to pwar in bfa and i'm sure i'm not doing it optimally -> let's go see what these chucklefucks say to do"

[limpid ravine]

do a 360

[cursive haven]

yeah just whirlwind cause its 360

[uneven mason]

I was leveling up my resto shaman and actually encountered this

[cursive haven]

revenge only for 180´s

[oak echo]

of course you do have the people that like get familiar with the buttons but have no real desire to get better because they aren't doing content that challenges them to be better, and for those dudes the guide is perfect and gets them to their Point B

[sturdy sable]

Looks better as well

[cursive haven]

yeah, style > economic rotation and dps

[uneven mason]

This is why vdh exist isn't it

All spin no buttons

[calm river]

yo is this all right?

[cursive haven]

i still think about playing one 😄 havnt decided between prot and vdh. also depends on offspec for me for pvp and some m+ 😄

[oak echo]

for being 30 ilvls behind yeah it's a weapon

[calm river]

thats a ton of haste tho

[sturdy sable]

As a tank ilvl trump's everything you only compare stats on trinkets and rings or pieces of equal item level

[silent anchor]

Alot less main stat tho

[calm river]

fair enough

[cobalt seal]

Is it?

[oak echo]

it's like 20 str

[cobalt seal]

Compared to 298 ones?

[oak echo]

304

sorry 22 on a 304

and looks like 25% uptime on the buff

so you're getting ~30 more haste than you'd get from a 304 weapon that actually has haste and losing str, weapon dam, and a 2nd secondary

[cobalt seal]

That depends if he has a 304 weapon

[silent anchor]

Well, less. Alot maybe exaggeration

[cobalt seal]

Compared to the same ilvl

It only loses secondary stats for the proc

[oak echo]

yeah also true

[silent anchor]

Wasn't comparing it to the same ilvl tbh. Was ment to compare with a 304 weapon

Same ilvl I assume it would be the same main stat but the proc would be good.

Especially if your looking for haste, which we r

[languid yoke]

i actually answered him in WA discord

[sweet summit]

thank you Ambassador Sune

[languid yoke]

why is emotes banned in here

u only have a bunch of swords and mad people

[oak echo]

i always get sad at that too

but i also have emotes on other servers that are not very general public safe so then i understand why

[sweet summit]

ur in the warrior discord...

[languid yoke]

[sweet summit]

[languid yoke]

do you have any sims for beta

[sweet summit]

probably

[languid yoke]

why are u always in prot

[sweet summit]

prison

[languid yoke]

i'd react with a great emote but i cant

so i'll just leave instead

[sweet summit]

:uwulicky:

nah i already do that don't worry

[oak echo]

that assumes they tune around actual performance instead of just whatever the loudest streamer says 😛

[cobalt seal]

Guides should have the normal info so people can play on most content

[sturdy sable]

Sucks that this is probably true lol

[minor helm]

Sorry hard to fit unga boonga cleanly into a guide

[sturdy sable]

Step 7. Commit unga boonga

Done

[oak echo]

and that's the whole guide. steps 1-6 are missing

[sturdy sable]

Exactly

[sweet summit]

xd

[oak echo]

"what do i do before i unga though????"
🤷

[thick otter]

is the enforcers stun grenade worth it?

175 vers vs 125 strength

[sweet summit]

depends on your other options

[thick otter]

vs whispering shard of power

[cobalt seal]

Its one of the best trinkets from dungeons

[sweet summit]

ya ok do not use whispering shard of power that thing stinks

they are being maintained

[thick otter]

lool its so annoyingtoo

[uneven mason]

Nom cares

[languid yoke]

cap on a stack or

since when

[sweet summit]

shut up boomkin

since like

idk

a while

no?

[languid yoke]

🤷‍♂️

[sweet summit]

what the

@strong forum

[strong forum]

They aren't yet

[feral cloak]

like, at all, or are they broken as fuck on there like VDH and simming all kinds of wonky

[strong forum]

Cuz the tree isn't fully implemented

[sharp bone]

prot warr too angry to be simmed

[strong forum]

I'll work on the apl once I have word that everything is implemented

[languid yoke]

actions+=/angry,if=prot_warr

[sweet summit]

actions+=/execute

[uneven mason]

I didn't say they were up to date, just that nom cares

[strong forum]

actions+=/hit_buttons_on_cd

[uneven mason]

Only nutters like archimtiros updates their apl every 15minutes to keep up with blizzard tuning

[languid yoke]

that's probably too advanced tbh

[feral cloak]

😔

[uneven mason]

Erga is a shady one

[sweet summit]

being maintained =/= working

[languid yoke]

true based real

love erga

[sweet summit]

love sune

Ambassador Sune

sorry

[languid yoke]

cant maintain what isnt there

[sweet summit]

[modern brook]

erga

[strong forum]

Me no code, me only smash button guud

[uneven mason]

Remember all of BFA when prot had no simc

Because we were too depressed from IP on GCD

[sweet summit]

reasonable

[languid yoke]

so which warrior spec is equivalent to feral in unhingement?

[sweet summit]

they all suck

[ionic fern]

[uneven mason]

Feral does damage right

[autumn pendant]

Erga being feisty today

Smh

[sweet summit]

or do you mean shady sim business

[languid yoke]

yo fearl pumps

[uneven mason]

We don't have a damage spec

[languid yoke]

no i mean which channel got dropped as a child

[uneven mason]

But fury tops the fun meters

[sweet summit]

oh

fury

[sharp bone]

slim sim shady

[sweet summit]

and offtopic

[ionic fern]

Prot IS the damage spec.

[languid yoke]

which one is fury, the double 2h or is that arms

[uneven mason]

Not after that pp slap nom hot us by scumming and pulling aggro offa bdk on stream

[sweet summit]

the one i do play

[autumn pendant]

I think pilav said it best about prot

[uneven mason]

We got nerfed and bdk gets to slap

[sweet summit]

what did pilav say

[autumn pendant]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxSmG3FATL1Q9vexbOhhNM7gWkYbQOXT3l

[languid yoke]

is pilav in here?

[autumn pendant]

Courtesy of pvp chat

and yes

He is in Skyhold

[sweet summit]

oh yeah pvp chat also got dropped many times as a child

[autumn pendant]

Or was at least

[languid yoke]

think that goes for every class discord

[sweet summit]

but i assume that is common knowledge

yeah

[autumn pendant]

Well. it does happen. We should care for those. Not push them away

[feral cloak]

all pvp chats are cursed

[autumn pendant]

🦗

[languid yoke]

let me check dg pvp

[sweet summit]

pvp is a minigame anyway

[uneven mason]

Like pagel

[sweet summit]

what the fuck is pagel

[uneven mason]

Wat

[slim dove]

dh/dk pvp discords are chillin lol

[languid yoke]

yea they kinda weird

[sweet summit]

what is this

the pagel

[feral cloak]

dg? isn't it kind of wilding by default anyways

[autumn pendant]

pagel is lost cousin of bagel

[languid yoke]

fish

[languid yoke]

unhinged feral players

[sweet summit]

miss magetower dg..

that was good content...

[languid yoke]

magetower dg prime

holy shit

[feral cloak]

mage tower returns someday, content will flow again 🙏

[sweet summit]

idk this version of mage tower is easy 4 me but i have severe psychosis and whenever i play wow i just sort of zone out like im not in my body and im just playing my character on auto pilot or something dodging mechanics and doing big dam its pretty crazy but thats just who i am

[uneven mason]

Original magetower let's hear it for the clippy dangling bits

[sweet summit]

bring back original mage tower but only for me so i can get the cool rewards

[autumn pendant]

Sure

[sweet summit]

thanks

[feral cloak]

oh yeah you started too late didn't you

[autumn pendant]

But with higher damage requirements

[sweet summit]

yea 😔

[autumn pendant]

Just for you

[sweet summit]

that's okay i will do the damage required

[autumn pendant]

But will you get nice shield tmog

[languid yoke]

:copege:

[sweet summit]

nice emote noob

[languid yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

thats what u get for banning emotes

dumb chat

[sweet summit]

sorry vel is a tyrant wcyd

[warm plinth]

LOL you said that and I instantly saw Vel come online

[sweet summit]

[languid yoke]

lmao was just about to say

[languid yoke]

@blazing dune this true?

[feral cloak]

nice knowing you erga

[sweet summit]

uh oh

[modern brook]

SMH

[sweet summit]

🫡

[languid yoke]

snitches get bitches

[uneven mason]

Wait

[minor helm]

[blazing dune]

[warm plinth]

what were you saying about Vel, Erga?

[autumn pendant]

Boot is closing in

[uneven mason]

I imagine vel has an alert similar to Noms "codex is a good trinket" alerts

[blazing dune]

I mean I got tagged

[chilly brook]

Vel would be poggers if they’d allow outside emotes

[sweet summit]

look at her abusing power like cross server emotes in our faces...

[chilly brook]

[warm plinth]

I think we deserve a 1-day test run

[chilly brook]

Big true

Make it a Christmas present

[warm plinth]

Random question, anyone know where to change the key down/key up casting thing

[sweet summit]

what

[warm plinth]

like whether a spell casts when you press the key down vs when you release the key

[strong forum]

You mean hold to cast?

Oh.

That's a specific keyboard settinv

I don't think that's a wow setting

[languid yoke]

its some script

or cvar rather

[uneven mason]

Hold to cast doesn't work with macros

[rotund thicket]

is there any shield other then the post master shield that dropps from m+ ?

[warm plinth]

I'm not trying to hold to cast, I just want my kick not going off when I haven't released the key yet

[languid yoke]

/console ActionButtonUseKeyDown 1 this i think

[warm plinth]

thank you Oi

[uneven mason]

I was very disappointed I couldn't put a weight in my one key and have heroic throw auto fire at pirates while I went to work

[strong forum]

Grimrail

[languid yoke]

you want to set it to 0 in that case i guess

[strong forum]

Junkyard also drops a shield but you don't want that

[rotund thicket]

is the grimrail shield actually in the loot pool? mine is 252, i would take any shield right now

[hard timber]

Yes it is

[warm plinth]

Well that's awkward. Changing that to 0 made my buttons just not work at all 😂

[strong forum]

Yes its the best shield

Or well, best shield of the worst

[warm plinth]

Like they light up when I press them but they don't cast when I let go. That's weird

[sweet summit]

oi hacked u unlucky

[languid yoke]

alright, im out of here was a nice stay

[warm plinth]

lmao

I'm gonna try the advanced interface options addon; maybe there's a third setting or something

[languid yoke]

now i just think you're lying, it works as expected for me

[warm plinth]

I'm thinking it might be conflicting with a setting in ElvUI and I just can't find the setting in ElvUI

[uneven mason]

Short rant - why would they take the "use raid style party frames" toggle from the logical spot in the interface menu and hide it inside the edit mode - party frame right click menu

[warm plinth]

aha

what is this, a conspiracy? I just tried to disable it and now my game is dying lmao

:kekw

[uneven mason]

Hey this thing thaibeen in a perfectly good spot for 6 years, let's move it to this new spot with no clue it still exists

[feral cloak]

sounds like it's time to repair your client

[warm plinth]

ElvUI does that too sometimes. And then they get mad that you don't read the changelog

[uneven mason]

Stop playing on a ti-82

[warm plinth]

I'm not is the funny thing lol

[languid yoke]

you're on your own now, cant blame me anymore

[warm plinth]

now the game is freezing every time I try to load my toon. WHAT HAVE YOU DONE OI

[uneven mason]

Delete the wtf folder

[warm plinth]

I am not going to do that

[uneven mason]

But seriously, don't input scripts without knowing what it's going to do

[warm plinth]

It...wasn't a script that did this

It was an ElvUI settings checkbox lol

Ok we good now

[thick otter]

how good is crit? i have 640 rn should i lower it a bit?

700 haste 930 vers

[mighty valley]

it's basically ilvl > haste > whatever

[uneven mason]

More stats > less stats

[thick otter]

I'm basically in a position where i can replace 160 crit with anything i want

via a legendary

except for haste

so should i keep crit or go for vers or mastery (purely damage wise)

[modern brook]

If you're counting your secondary stats by point you're stressing too much

Just make a legendary with your prefernce of haste/crit or haste/verse

[strong forum]

Crit > vers for dmg

[modern brook]

it really doesnt matter

[strong forum]

Unless you have over 30% crit

[thick otter]

ty

[strong forum]

Then vers becomes more dmg

[pale roost]

how highe keys do you guys tend to use battlestance in ?

[strong forum]

Highest I've seen was 31

[uneven mason]

Use bstance until you die

[strong forum]

Aka, you don't need def stance for almost anything in pre-patch

[pale roost]

am gonna start doing some 23s and was thinking it might be better for exytra damage

[uneven mason]

And then ask the healer why they didn't pump harder

[grizzled nova]

Are you gonna die if you aren't in d stance?
Y: d stance
N: b stance

[uneven mason]

If y: is there an external available

If y bstance

[thick otter]

I now have 28% vers passively 🤔

maybe its fine

[uneven mason]

You're overthinking stats, just stack ilvl

[thick otter]

yeah i cant ilvl upgrade with legendaries anymore is all

all my gear is past 291 or 291

[uneven mason]

Then just slap, shifting numbers around won't help generally since haste is the only outlier and crit=vers

[thick otter]

since i have 1100 vers and 460 crit i think ill gain more from crit because of diminishing returns

so ill just do it that way

[uneven mason]

👍

[gleaming crest]

What is Prot warrior ST damage like at the moment?

Seem to be struggling a bit with damage - although I am 250 atm but still feels low

[sick sentinel]

lfr wiped to 4% halondrus again

[thick otter]

prot has the lowest single target out of all tanks atm

according to logs

[uneven mason]

Yeah TFW we get slapped for arms sake

[thick otter]

do you think it's likely?

[uneven mason]

Execute nerf was for arms sake

[strong forum]

Logs are not at all representative

Cuz there's the small thing called motes

😉

[thick otter]

when you look at the damage breakdown for monks

[strong forum]

But yeah, as of pre-patch in a raid encounter, pwar is 5th

Cuz brew bdk and vdh gain alot from the leftover borrowed powers

And ontop of that

[thick otter]

Btw does anyone know if battle shout increases strength/agility or what exactly "attack power" is?

[strong forum]

Atk power is the thing that str/agi grants you

It's a seperate stat

That only physical dmg dealers benefit from

[thick otter]

i c

[strong forum]

Same as magic dmg dealers have spell power

As a derivative from intellect

[strong forum]

Ah ye forgot to finish

Bosses last only like 1.5minutes

Heavily favouring CD based classes, pwar has no CDs as of pre-patch

We're consistently average

[outer thorn]

cant wait for DF to send Avatar > Booming > Shield Charge > Thunderous > Ravager all at once

[mellow quartz]

You mean over 5 seconds

[loud yew]

what do u guys pick for stats

in M+?

[pallid quiver]

For the affix? Haste.

[outer thorn]

ilvl > haste > everything else

[loud yew]

yup the affix. thanks

[mellow quartz]

2 more weeks. To long tbh.

[marble cipher]

Not that it matters all that much, but, is it Marileth that you'd use as soulbind? Or Heimir? (Just trying to see if I can free up Marileth for Fury offspec.
Again, it's all gone soon but hey, a man's gotta have something to do right...

[urban portal]

marileth

you can play heimer its fine

[marble cipher]

I'll just leave it as I have it now then, Marileth for prot, and Heimir for Fury, necro isn't all that good for fury anyway so, I'll just be lazy and do it like that

[outer thorn]

Are the straddling gems (+5% and +3% movement speed) active if you socket them in DF gear, or are there new versions?

[jagged jay]

Id like some help. I just did an ID 20 and i feel my damage is really low. Can u point what im doing wrong?
LOG = https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VgyBN8xkQpcLMAJC/#fight=last

[modern brook]

On my phone so I can do more later

But unbreakable will leggo isn't doing you any favors

Other macro decisions look fine

[mighty valley]

Some big gaps in banner uptime? Guessing one is while you're rolling the balls, dunno about the later ones

Your trinkets are kinda mid but about as good as you get without raiding

[thick otter]

is codex of the first technique dogass since we take so little damage?

[toxic geyser]

Hi Josh

[loud yew]

Brushing up on that prot warrior.

[mighty valley]

yep, real bad for us

[outer thorn]

So I found out that theres this gem in Dragonflight, how much movement speed % does it translate to?

[thick otter]

61 speed is 6% for me

so that looks like a whole lot unless they changing something

[oak echo]

scaling will be different at 70

[outer thorn]

im guessing this is some kind of tooltip error ye

because the other secondary stat gems give like +36

Im going it to use it either way I guess, Embrace the GONK

[radiant magnet]

Miners get that base gem pretty easy. No idea on JC rate though. Probably going to be cheap to replace if it's less than you want

[toxic geyser]

In DF is Prot still the lowest ST?

[mellow quartz]

You get like 400 leech from 1 enchant

Numbers in DF are not close to the same as SL for percentages

[hardy snow]

%% will be quite similar

[oak echo]

this is small in comparison but damage optimization wise i'd take punish over thunderlord. that talent has little to no offensive value without booming voice.

[radiant magnet]

334 speed stat = 6.68%

@70

[jagged jay]

You are right, thanks for the tip

[jagged jay]

Thats the lego ill use in some higher keys

The number of revenge should be higher?

[pallid quiver]

It's a little hard to tell at a glance, but it feels like you could have pulled bigger at points

[wary heath]

professions don't seem to matter much anymore with work order system, is going herb/mining and just selling stuff at release 400 IQ ?

[warm plinth]

Probably for like the first day but remember that gathering mats are global commodities so it's not gonna take long for the prices to rock bottom like they are now.

Still probably not a bad combo to level with since you get XP from nodes.

[quartz kettle]

is there any medivh raider guide like the previous xpacs

for leveling/prep etc.

[honest hazel]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WZk2jRYKMYBj0Oewjlr2yFreAMxN6NHCgD1jx6n_YoE/edit#gid=0

[honest hazel]

That's what I've been using

[honest hazel]

I believe Engineering goggles are Engineering only? So depending on how powerful the "tinker sockets" are that could potentially be a good pick up.

[astral crystal]

should be engi anyway for belt

[vapid lake]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/VgyBN8xkQpcLMAJC/1MWRpLrP3A72BzjC#fight=last&type=summary&source=1,3 Here is a comparison of a 20 I did. Not an expert by any means, but figured it might help you.

[hollow token]

i dont see much reference to it in guides... is storm bolt and/or slam part of our priority list/rotation at all?

[sand kettle]

Dont put slam on your bars, storm bolt is used for a stun

[turbid ferry]

i'm lvl 26, is there a rotation that would kill stuff a little faster, i'm leveling as prot

[radiant magnet]

once you have talent pts, get Rend and Thunderclap. after that, big pulls and AOE down entire camps at once

[turbid ferry]

ok ty

[open silo]

where can I find information abou the IP cap? it's neither on the IP tooltip nor in the talent tree. also, what spell is used internally for the shared dr from "the wall" legendary?

[urban portal]

0.3x your max hp

[open silo]

thanks, a bit sus that the only reason I found out there was an IP cap was after making a weakaura to track remaining IP and noticing it didn't go above a certain amount, because of the complete lack of information about it in-game

is there a buff/debuff/spell that's applied to players for "the wall"'s shared dr? because I haven't been able to find it

[oak echo]

i'm guessing you don't mean the wall and you're talking about party shield wall? i forget the lego name

the wall is just CDR on yourself so there would no buff from it

[open silo]

the wall (legendary)'s wowhead page said it also gives the same dr to everyone when you press shield wall (or the long cd with 40% dr)

which I am really suspicious about because I haven't seen any effect of it

[oak echo]

because it doesn't say that

that's from wowhead

ohhh

[oak echo]

under it does say that

that's jsut wrong then

the wall never did that

[open silo]

wow I got baited then

[oak echo]

there is another lego that does that

that's a pretty big mess up on whoever wrote that lol

[open silo]

some tank was saying stuff about giving wall to everyone, with I assume the correct legendary

[oak echo]

^ that one

it's also a talent (but the talent goes away tomorrow)

[open silo]

unfortunate

the number of times in the past week I've pressed wall thinking that I've been doing something useful for the party

[oak echo]

lol oof

well, 2 things to say there

do you just not have a point here?

[open silo]

no I took that

[oak echo]

if you took impenetrable wall it unfortunately doesn't stack with the lego so that's just been a dead lego

[open silo]

wow

well

[solemn mantle]

Yo botato question

[open silo]

that is 15k wasted

[solemn mantle]

I was pushing towards 20's before the pre-patch and came back just now with all the talents etc

[oak echo]

well...you can either remake a lego or just remove that poitn and put it somewhere else

[solemn mantle]

how well does it go for now ?

[oak echo]

i'd personally just move the point tbh with 2 weeks left

[solemn mantle]

Just worried about jumping into too high of a key

[oak echo]

everything feels easier now than it was before prepatch if that's what you mean

[solemn mantle]

ah okay

[oak echo]

warrior especially is a lot stronger now than they were 3 weeks ago

[open silo]

I made a warrior this week and it just does not die, I am tanking 22s at <=279 ilvl

and I'm very bad

[solemn mantle]

ezpz then

[toxic pewter]

Ya they’re made prot warr the new training wheels tank. It’s actually a sad state of affairs.

[open silo]

also what's a good uptime for shield block (the no melee one), I swear it's not possible to get more than ~67%

[oak echo]

shield block you should be able to hit 95-100% with proper talents and play

[solemn mantle]

Does shieldblock have pandemic timer?

[oak echo]

if you use ED it'll extend to 24s

[open silo]

are you meant to have a 13s recharge and 8s timer?

[oak echo]

it's hasted, but yeah

it has 2 charges though, and if you take heavy repercussions it extends every time you shield slam

[open silo]

oh, that's probably it, I don't have that

[solemn mantle]

yea im running into the fray instead for M+

sit at like 43% haste or so with full stacks

[oak echo]

the damage from being able to keep your uptime up outweighs the haste most of the time. i think the only time you go away from HR is if you can get super high uptime without it

[solemn mantle]

but im a dumb dumb who constantly uses SS before popping block

[open silo]

I just copied my talents from wowhead and it shows .-. I did a key with a warrior with 95% shield block uptime and was questioning how they did it when mathematically in the long run at best you can only have 61%, or if they were just a god violating the laws of mathematics

[oak echo]

yeah the wowhead guide one assumes you're still using reprisal

[solemn mantle]

So wait, are we meant to swap to the wall rather than reprisal?

[mellow quartz]

2 more weeks. Literally doesn’t matter lol

[severe hatch]

You get full value every cast, up to a cap of 3x base duration

[oak echo]

Yeah doesn't matter but you can use honestly any legendary, just changes a talent point here and there

almost all of our good legendaries turned into talents so you just have to move points around that don't interfere with the lego you have

main thing with keeping reprisal is that you don't need to run as much shield block duration talents because that's why we used reprisal in the first place

[warm plinth]

@ionic fern hi ily

[ionic fern]

Good morning.

Anything hit 60?

[warm plinth]

I hit 56 on my 3rd warrior before work. We don't get the patch for another...9ish hours but I was bored so I got a head start.

[ionic fern]

Nice. o.o

I should really-really level something..but i'm really-really lazy.

Which reminds me..i should buy Dragonflight.

[warm plinth]

Well, if you can get it to like...30 or 35? you can stop until next week

But you should at least get it that far if you're gonna level something, because those levels actually increase in the requirement after tomorrow.

[ionic fern]

Oh, no, no.
I got stuff at like 40-50

Not going to level from new.

😄

[warm plinth]

oh, then you good haha

I just bought it yesterday or the day before myself

I should have war to 60 tonight

[ionic fern]

[warm plinth]

I'm gonna work on tanks I think until the patch hits since they're generally really fast

I got shield charge today and I'm in love 😊

[oblique garnet]

Need a meme class to level

[warm plinth]

You need one? What do you mean by meme?

[oblique garnet]

Meme class

Feral is out of the window since its actually good now

[warm plinth]

Elemental?

[oblique garnet]

Already have it

Ele owns

[warm plinth]

Arcane mage?

Survival hunter? 😂

[oblique garnet]

I think i have everything but evoker at 60

That i might play

[warm plinth]

I heard that evoker is limited to 1 per realm

Which is kind of annoying to me

[oblique garnet]

Its the same as dh ?

[warm plinth]

That's what I was told

Yeah the support article says the first one is whatever, but if you want a second one, it has to be on another realm and you have to already have a level 50 on that realm

[oblique garnet]

Not like it matters tbh

[warm plinth]

Which I mean, I can make one on a few realms but it's still stupid I can't have more than one on the same realm.

I would just rather have as many of my toons as possible on my home realm

[oblique garnet]

You have one race one class as evoker anyways

[warm plinth]

I already have like...12 or 13 of the 36 on other realms

Yeah but I need one for each spec

[oblique garnet]

Why

[warm plinth]

Because that's my challenge

All specs at max level

[oblique garnet]

[warm plinth]

You haven't seen my spreadsheet huh

[oblique garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/yummy-gif-26059919

[silent anchor]

So ucmake 3 of every class (or 4 in druid case) just to not have to respec. I ask the sane as above. Why lol

[warm plinth]

I didn't make them just so I don't have to respec. I made them because I wanted to

So that I can say I did it

[mossy mortar]

xx

[ionic fern]

So many leafs.

Are we fotm?