protection

[blazing condor]

just ads to the absorb

[limpid wave]

can anyone explain what this means? This is suppose to be a buff? but got no idea wtf it means

[sand pebble]

well it had a negative 15% aura for prot and now it doesnt

so in essence prot execute got buffed by 15%

[limpid wave]

ah okey, thank you

[sand kettle]

technically more than 15%? 17.6% no?

[jagged pier]

Doesnt matter still cant press it cause tier set

[wind oak]

base dmg of execute got nerfed anyway

they removed the aura buff to troll

[paper coral]

Wait fuck. i thought when we did the first dinar quest we got all 3.

[hazy sluice]

On which keys do you put your shieldblock/ignore pain and on which your charges/jump?

[jagged pier]

F, g, S1 and c

[sand kettle]

3, ctrl+4, 4, 8

[paper coral]

5,9, 6,2

[lone eagle]

Shield block is on mouse button 3 (12 button pad on the side of the mouse)

[paper coral]

but my layout is.. odd.

[south osprey]

Hi - can anyone recommend a decent prot war plater profile?https://wago.io/plater/plater-profiles

[lone eagle]

123
456
789
0-=
but with numpad assignments are my mouse keys

[hazy sluice]

9 and 6 seems wild for my fingers 😄

[somber sky]

my IP is on ctrl1, SB is ctrl5, charge is 3, and leap is =. I have a Logitek G600 so all 24 buttons of first 2 bars are on my mouse :3

[lone eagle]

so shield block on mouse 3

IP on mouse 6

shield slam on mouse 4

[mortal brook]

q e t f2

[lone eagle]

Revenge on keyboard 2, tclap on keyboard 3

[hazy sluice]

I'm asking cause playing monk switched my layout up a whole lot, because of button overload and my typical tank buttons have been wandering around and I was asking myself if I played suboptimal before. But it's all just personal preference after all I guess

Where do you put spell reflect ? I have key for tank magical def CDs but spell reflect is kind of a different manner since it has a lower CD.. wondering if I need a more faster reachable button lime a mouse button

[paper coral]

I cant help, i use a nostromo.

so my shit is fucked

[sand kettle]

shift+3

[somber sky]

I have Q for SR cus Q stands for quick reflex

for next xpac, i'll probably have Q do reflect and E for hpot/hs

[lyric elm]

We got the highest rank https://youtu.be/YDF-eZ_LJEo

[paper coral]

Nooo

i want the lowest rank.

less people playing

[lyric elm]

Tanks are very equal now except brew

So don't worry about it

[paper coral]

lol blm

[lyric elm]

Haha. Yes i do play it in 14

Autocorrect

Blackmaster

Nice to see everything is equal,.so you don't have to feel bad to level other tanks and play with them

[paper coral]

yeah, ngl dunno if I care anough to keep doing LFRS for these dinars haha

Which is better, OWS or RDM?

[sand kettle]

i think OWS? especially at normal ilevel

[ebon geyser]

i mean if u want vid that shows changes and how they are doing. well https://youtu.be/nSlEb59jLd8

[paper coral]

that?

[chilly ermine]

the ignore pain tracker WA didnt work correct, is there any way to fix it?

[finite narwhal]

What builds are you all going for m+? I am playing with my new fresh prot war, I found something with booming voice and reducing cd of demo shout, but tried to unspect that and spec in the ,,set,, bonus and ravager and it feels kinda good, what do you think

[jagged pier]

Drop rav for vigor

Vigor is like one of our best talents

Get a 190 wall leggo and then drop the wall for rav

[finite narwhal]

oh thanks! dont have leggo yet, so that makes sense

or should I go for reprisal? I think I will not hit big keys (20+) anyway until DF

[strong forum]

Leggos don't matter much

[pale roost]

punish vs taking show of force. what would you recomend?

for keys

[strong forum]

Both

[pallid quiver]

Both is good; I'm curious what you're grabbing that's making it a choice

[pale roost]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUUUgVRQRlBAQBBMVUVEVFRFUIFQCQA with the wall lego

but i see several highe keys pushers taking punish and skipping show of the force

they also seems to take one point in bloodborne

[strong forum]

The point in BB is kinda whack

Same as TL+BV isn't really all that powerful

You get more by running focused vigor and punish

[pale roost]

ah ok 🙂

[hollow folio]

anyone can recommend me a trinket to use for beta m+ ?

ty

[pale roost]

wanna show me what you using =)?

[mortal brook]

Grieftorch and Whetstone

[strong forum]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUVUgVRARlBAQBBMVUVEVERFVYBQDQRA

[finite narwhal]

just got healer in junky, that was ninjapulling packs at 10% of hp of the current pack and then left because I was telling him to stop, that its only slowing us down lol

people dont know how bolstering works or just dont care? 😄

[strong forum]

he clearly didnt understand it

[sand pebble]

bolstering drops off, maybe they were bored that you wernt needing healing

also i like to make giant bolstered cannons that 1 shot people

[jade pulsar]

yeah i had that yesterday in upper, pulled all 4 packs in curator room, healer got mad at me but he had missed bolstering drops off nowadays

[sand pebble]

haha nice

[frosty holly]

People are dumb \o/

[raven hatch]

Why is vigor so good, can you explain? I really like booming voice it’s so nice for insta rage gen in clutch moments and makes maintaining banner even easier

[sand pebble]

str + armor + crit

[raven hatch]

But it’s all minor improvements right? I’m not sure I really feel the effect in comparison to BV

[sand pebble]

str gives damage and mitigation, armor gives mitigation and str with the other talent, crit gives big number and they are active all the time

bv is good, vigor is better - get both at 70

or, do what you want in the content you play

oh and more str passive means more banner str

[raven hatch]

BV also creates more rage to spend which means more anger management value which means more party walls, which can feel so damn necessary in a 32 GD for example 😅 but maybe I should really go vigor for a good few keys and accept it

[lofty widget]

sure if you really need an extra 5 sec off the cd of SW

but thats usually never the case

[sand pebble]

bv is great paired with thunderlord

so you kinda need 2 points ot get most value where vigor is an easy 1

[strong forum]

you have more than enough rage gen in pre-patch cuz of banner

you just los 6-7% dmg by not having focused vigor

its 5% str, 5% armor and 1% crit

for only 1 fucking point

thats gigantic

[jagged pier]

its insane vigro increases armour and strength and due to armoured to the teeth and vanuard it sysergizes even more

[strong forum]

^

[jagged pier]

How is bv better than that?

[oak echo]

The artifact? I think it was like 2 weeks of checking each day, maybe a bit less

[jagged pier]

Like vigor is literally a must have at all time talent

[strong forum]

also abusing party wall still is very cringe

its literally gone in 2/3 days

[sand pebble]

they removing it this reset or df launch?

[strong forum]

with evoker releasing

aka 15th/16th nov

[sand pebble]

sweet, wont have my guildy bragging about doing 29's on his warrior he has played for 2 weeks

and he can go back to bdk

[strong forum]

nah bdk you need to actually play the game now

vdh and pwar are now the low effort tanks

[sand pebble]

he plays bdk fine, party wall was carrying his dps

[strong forum]

kinda pathetic

[lofty widget]

nah dorki said dh is harder than dk must be true

[strong forum]

not a fan of abusing blatantly overpowered things that are 100% confirmed being removed

[strong forum]

that was the biggest kekw of the entire vid

[sand pebble]

hehe his comments regarding dorki vid

[limpid anchor]

i played some dh on beta and its such a joke

compared to other tanks

or im just playing it wrong :D

[strong forum]

after recent frailty changes vdh is now one of the easiest tanks again

with bear and pwar

[sand pebble]

i did some bear tw and it felt great

[strong forum]

bdk is easily the hardest to min-max

brew is only hard cuz their self healing is on the lower end

[sand pebble]

bdk/monk/pally > vdh/warr/bear id rate as hardest/highest skill cap or very punishing on mistakes

[strong forum]

pmuch

[limpid anchor]

whats the fun ranking tho

[sand pebble]

thats subjective

[limpid anchor]

yours :3

[sand pebble]

pwar has always been my fave

and it feels the best going into an xpac thats its ever been

like at the end of the xpac pwar always feels great, it feels like that going into it

[strong forum]

my fun ranking is pwar > rest since i mained pwar in legion

[sand pebble]

with everything ive ever wanted, double charge, h-leap + move speed, war machine, iv, stunsx3

yeah legion was my fave in tos

[strong forum]

no i mean

i dont even look at anything but pwar/arms war

i often play with the idea of playing healer but its always just worse than warri

[sand pebble]

im devastated at arms right now

[strong forum]

why

looks fun af

[limpid anchor]

arms playstyle is fine -> fun

but dmg isnt :D

[strong forum]

idk im seeing bizentein pull 80k+ overalls

[sand pebble]

compare it to nf arms in sod and sotfo, where you had awesome ST, burst cleave

[limpid anchor]

in m+ it is

[sick sentinel]

im hearing we got buffed, this is good

[sand pebble]

in beta or live cause live is just condem

[strong forum]

we didnt get "buffed"

[limpid anchor]

we didnt

[sick sentinel]

not sure how yet but im looking into it

then we got nerfed?

[strong forum]

execute is only 70% shit now

instead of 90% shit

but still shit

[sand pebble]

hehe prot execute is a 'im about to cap rage, ss and tc on cd and if i press revenge ill cap rage'

[limpid anchor]

btw nom, in ruby 15 fort, do you stay in bstance on top vs the 4 fire elementels?

[strong forum]

didnt do rlp in like 3 weeks

[limpid anchor]

got kinda chunked today, not sure if my heal is afk

[strong forum]

but probably

[sick sentinel]

ah look warrior got big nerf, just like dorki said was going to happen

fuck man, so glad im not locked to just warrior this time

[strong forum]

doesnt take a genius to figure out that when everybody screams that pwar is op

that itll get nerfed

[sand pebble]

maybe look at warr nerfs more like reducing the gap from how farm we were in front of the others, then they buffed the others

[strong forum]

its not bdk, so pwar actually gets nerfs

[limpid anchor]

idk but dk does more

not sure about pally as i ahvent played it

[strong forum]

a good bdk*

[sick sentinel]

dk over powered

2 of them in less than 10 hrs

minegaron literal lvl 50 same day as creation and first log in

[sand pebble]

dung spam with 78% xp sure its fast

[sick sentinel]

88 mph % if i can keep spamming deathstrike

[limpid anchor]

anyone played dh? is it actual fun at one point?

[sand pebble]

fun if you like jumping around and flying

[sick sentinel]

i'll likely keep minegaron cuz highmountains get faster mining, which i haven't tested, but on dwarf for archeology its 50% faster

[oak echo]

depends on your definition of fun. it has like 0 buttons but those buttons + zoomin feel pretty good. it's not really my thing but i get why people enjoy it

[sand pebble]

archeology its 50% faster - but why?>

[sick sentinel]

which is stupidly fast, so if its that for mining on high taurens, then i'll make something a a miner

[sand pebble]

you take dwarf for stoneform and crit damage

and beards

[sick sentinel]

once you have don'e 50% faster archeology surveys for more than 5 minutes you can never ever go back

used to be im pretty sure a 3 second cast time, so you can be interupted in that 3 seconds and failed the cast

[sand pebble]

ive never put much into it

did they add anything for df for it?

[sick sentinel]

im assuming works same way for mining, cast is now 1.5 seconds, almost no chance to be interupted

do i want to spend 1 gcd mining this ore, or 2 theres about 20 crabs arounds me that are all aggressive

[sand pebble]

mine from dragonriding is a thing

[sick sentinel]

people complained about the mech mount and druid flying herbalism don't have to dismount long and hard enough i see

[agile elbow]

just be a druid and you don't have to worry about it kek

[glacial sky]

Druids will be stuck on Dragonriding with the rest of us in DF content

[sand pebble]

i made a killing in legion and bfa selling the stirrups

[sick sentinel]

there was a time in wrath where i was able to buy lotuses and the flowers required to make flasks for well below cost and make significant profit regularly just creaing flasks on my paladin

i don't remember margins but could get lotus for like 15 gold max 10 gold regular, flowers would cost maybe 2 - 5 gold, sell 1 flask for like i dunno 20-45gold somethin

[pale roost]

show of force did not stack with conduit right?

[finite narwhal]

Yeah, but how many secs, 20? And we wiped because he got oneshot and I couldnt solo tank it with my ilvl, lost all zaps aswell

[sand pebble]

fair, what was key level?

[sand pebble]

no they dont stack*

[pale roost]

ok 🙂

[finite narwhal]

Monk almost the hardest? I can do the biggest keys, raids etc and pulls on my monk and it feels easy, maybe it just click my playstyle.

[finite narwhal]

Just +12, but I am 210ilvl

[cobalt seal]

Zaps on a 12 are whatever

[finite narwhal]

Yeah, but average ilvl of group was I think 245, every zap counts

[sand pebble]

so what ilvl is your monk compared to your warrior

[cobalt seal]

Its still jy

I have tried my absolute best to deplete the key

And we still timed it

[sand pebble]

i have 300 ilvl warr and 297 monk - warr def feels easier to maintain in terms of mitigation where monk you kinda have to think about stagger purifying

[cobalt seal]

And no way monk is tankier than pwar lol

Like no shot in hell

[sand pebble]

cro - bring a priest to mc the mobs that cast shrink - you can cast it on players then stomp them

[cobalt seal]

Not even close

Just dont kick the cast

[sand pebble]

no no me and some friends just looked for pug jy keys to kill the pugs having fun while still timing them

got to have fun valor farming

[finite narwhal]

I have 281 monk, 217 war right now. big difference, but I feel like I am forgetting cds, and buttons on war, dont happen on my monk, I can mostly do key without healer on my monk, if things dont get out of control too much

[sand pebble]

yeah that will change with gear

and general practise

[finite narwhal]

yeah. but that doesnt mean that healer should pull mobs, bolster others, not gonna talk about aggro grabbing from healer and all that orbs spawning around whole area, when pull is not organized

[sand pebble]

see bolstering isnt the issue tbh, its orbs

[sick sentinel]

what you guys looking to play for df launch (besides pwar/evoker cuz obviously)

[finite narwhal]

I mean some bolstered spells chunked lot of my hp, but as pwar, I kinda took it fine

thats big difference, one non kicked big spell on my monk and its over 😄

[sand pebble]

you will learn what to spell reflect and interupt

[devout basalt]

F evoker

[finite narwhal]

yeah, I feel like even spells are not really doing something. with ignore pain and pressing mitigation, its easy mode, but hey, its not fortified

[sand pebble]

warr/hunter are always first 2 leveled, im doing an highmountain tauren outlaw rogue aswell, then monk/druid and when im bored ill finish all my other toons - i have one of everything except mage

im kinda not prepared for the amount of prefession stuff ill need to invest because i also have one of everything but i may just have gathering toons

[sand pebble]

use and abuse spell reflect every chance you get

last boss upper - tell your group you are reflecting the first and interupting the second - it does insane damage in higher keys

another good one is the big slimes in jy

[south osprey]

Hi - Quick Q - can anyone recommend a decent plater profile for a prot war?

[cobalt seal]

just browse wago

in plater section

and choose one you like

[south osprey]

yeah I went on there.. what I'm after is any recommendations

[lofty widget]

just find one you like the look of?

as long as you can see aggro its fine

[hazy sluice]

What are the most frequent pressed Buttons in M+, at level 70 ?

Are there any logs I can see to see which are the most pressed skills?

[limpid anchor]

ss rev tc sb?

[hazy sluice]

And what comes afterwards ?

[sand kettle]

probably IP>SB just from dumping rage

[hazy sluice]

I feel like playing monk totally destroyed my key binding brain.... I wanna press more than I need to

[limpid anchor]

forgot ip

after that uh, everything has a cd

(sb as well, yes yes)

but i guess kick charge ?

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/nMoAwT8.png

[hazy sluice]

How much comes demo shout down with booming voice in m+?

[strong forum]

20/25sec

[hazy sluice]

God bless, chefs kiss my friend

[strong forum]

you can almost send 5 demos in 2 minutes

[hazy sluice]

Allright

[gentle acorn]

we are a solid enough mythic guild, CE etc but nothing amazing, considering x2 prot war for the tank combination(purely because both find it the most fun) can anyone see any major downsides to it?

we do not need tanks for raidbuffs

[strong forum]

not rly no

usually you just want 2 diff tanks to have more niche coverage

[gentle acorn]

yeah, thats what we are thinking, the other choice VDH has similar overlap to war(highly mobile leap etc)

[strong forum]

a well played vdh is insanely sturdy for predictable dmg

[gentle acorn]

Yeah, they are really nice

[strong forum]

but basically any tank combo between pwar/bdk/bear/vdh will be extremely strong in DF

have no clue bout brew and pally

if theyre good in raid or not

[gentle acorn]

When i did raid testing they seemed ok

[knotty idol]

Warr surprisingly good against magic dmg in DF it seems

[gentle acorn]

we are mostly thinking the extra rally might work out better than what a VDH offers

[cobalt seal]

oh god

the magic dmg meme

[sick sentinel]

brew will always be good in raid

[cobalt seal]

when was pwar weak vs magic dmg?

[karmic plinth]

you could get a darkness from a vdh technically

[cobalt seal]

darkness is not rally

[karmic plinth]

no

[coarse topaz]

Prot warrior has 0 heals

[cobalt seal]

clearly it doesn't have any heals

pls buff prot war surv

[karmic plinth]

they're not comparable but p war cant bring darkness

tho i guess they have a havoc

[strong forum]

rally is better, true

darkness is only really strong when your raid takes very frequent ticks of dmg

its borderline useless vs large hits

[coarse topaz]

But the armor is kinda op u take 0 dmg from melee attacks nerf please

[strong forum]

true, buff warrior

[cobalt seal]

you understand that what you said was completely wrong?

[strong forum]

need clearly more heals

[cobalt seal]

right?

[radiant magnet]

seems legit. also bears need spell reflect.

[coarse topaz]

It needs more heals yes but the armor and melee doing 0 dmg to you is kinda op

[finite narwhal]

I see, I need to check all spell reflects, I remember clowning with that in s1 and randomly find out that I can reflect theater of pain last boss, was fun

[cobalt seal]

why does it need more heals?

[karmic plinth]

bear reflect

[sacred flare]

I want dk leveling of self healing 🙂

[lofty widget]

hmm, we take 0 dmg but also we need more heals, seems legit

[coarse topaz]

Cause every other tanks has heals this isn’t classic give us heals

[cobalt seal]

you should stop playing classic then

because pwar has heals

[strong forum]

if youre trolling youre very good at hiding it

[radiant magnet]

dont take dmg. dont need heals.

[strong forum]

ngl

[karmic plinth]

why do u need heals if u dont take dmg

[finite narwhal]

similiar interaction have brewmaster with diffuse magic, you can return 7 stacks of ,,big,, nathrezim back to him and do like 1M dmg with one returning in higher keys, but unfornatelly, need to use defensives and sometimes externals from healer

[coarse topaz]

All tanks has heals except prot war still living in classic days sadge

[cobalt seal]

trolling

[coarse topaz]

Just block and hope u get heals from a other person

[limpid anchor]

hello, impending is sooo big

and just look at bitter

[strong forum]

nah pwar trash

true

[cobalt seal]

he is trolling

[strong forum]

buff pls

[coarse topaz]

#stillinclassic

[cobalt seal]

ignore him

[limpid anchor]

its like 50% of your hp!

[cobalt seal]

But yeah

Buff pwar

[coarse topaz]

Then wait till judgement day when ur cds are back

[strong forum]

🙏

always living on the edge

[coarse topaz]

Yea buff it give us heals

[cobalt seal]

Yes

Buff pwar

[limpid anchor]

but ngl

bitter feels bad

[coarse topaz]

3m cd for 20% hp heal that’s a healing potion xd

[radiant magnet]

doesnt stop bleeds. dont needit.

[coarse topaz]

Prot still in classic days 0 heals and needs a healer to babysit and breastfeed it

[limpid anchor]

oh you speaking about arms pvp

ye true

[cobalt seal]

Yep

Yep

Buff pwar

[coarse topaz]

And they nerfed revenge for no reason

[radiant magnet]

I just want a battle rez attached to Heroic Leap. Jump up and down on their corpse til they get back up.

[strong forum]

i want lust tbh

[coarse topaz]

And our tier set sucks ass to

[strong forum]

its so bad that in 5tank you have to rely on drums

[knotty idol]

Bear tier set tho

[limpid anchor]

lust would at least fit

let us shout harder

[sage sun]

Prof war can’t use two handed weapons like dk

Need buff

[sacred flare]

To be honest i think it would be super cool if we could have a two hander and a shield

[strong forum]

after having played with the bug in early 9.0

the idea has grown on me

jsut for the tmog purposes

[jagged pier]

best bug

[cobalt seal]

Wdym you trading us for real keys

[strong forum]

aint promised anything

[radiant magnet]

I'll take dual wielding shields

[open gazelle]

Does condensed anima sphere and pain and gain stack?

I’m thinking maybe it does because it’s two different spells?

[strong forum]

equip both and hit a dummy

see which one procs

[mellow quartz]

naowh: "I don't think bear or bdk is a good m+ tank now more of a raid tank' 🤔

[cobalt seal]

Ignore them honestly

At this point its kinda pointless

Outside of meme value

[icy citrus]

I agree

[cobalt seal]

The ammount of shit takes this beta

[icy citrus]

@strong forum regarding stats you have mentioned at some point, is it still going to be: haste > vers = crit in m+?

[cobalt seal]

Is off the charts

[keen gulch]

how big whas the bloodsurge nerf?

[mellow quartz]

cut in half

[strong forum]

Is mention in pins but yes

[keen gulch]

how hard did it effect warrior in df? @mellow quartz

[strong forum]

its very noticable

if youre used to pre-nerf bloodsurge you can absolutely notice it

[crystal mauve]

I’ve seen the pin but I couldn’t find any explanation, is it for max damage output? I know crit/parry can be a good defensive stat as well statistically but I don’t know if it’s relevant consider out high shield block uptime. Sorry if stupid question 🙂

[strong forum]

youll still play it in m+ but its WAY weaker

[strong forum]

its just great overall, parry isnt reliable but over the course of a key it can have quite an impact, not to mention the crit interactions we have with wild strikes and the 10% more crit dmg on shield slam and in raid with battering ram

[knotty idol]

If only execute was stronger I'd love to stack some crit + jugg and slam some fat executes

[strong forum]

and obv offensively it just rocks

we dont have the rage to facilitate benefitting off an execute build sadly

[mellow quartz]

I have had times during a key where I had bad SS reset rng and had 2-3 globals or not being able to press a single button

its rare but it has happened

[strong forum]

yup....

its a devastating nerf tbh

[mellow quartz]

most of the time it's 'fine' but definitely noticable

[strong forum]

going from "yeah i actually get really fucking strong in aoe" to "damn i can barely send IP"

[mellow quartz]

I still think they just fucked it up and gave us the arms version given the bluepost said 10%

[strong forum]

i hope so

[mellow quartz]

which is a little less than a 50% buff from current version

in this AA for example I had 3747 dot ticks between our 3 dots so you can calculate yourself what the different proc % would mean in terms of rage gain

it would be 1311 rage at 7%, 1873 rage at 10% and 2810 rage at the old 15% proc chance

[misty compass]

Best racial for prot warr?

[mellow quartz]

dwarf

[strong forum]

gib 15% back

thx

[mystic warren]

when trying to sim I get the following error: Actor 'Padclap': Player 'Padclap' unable to create action: dragon_roar. Any clue how to solve this?

[strong forum]

sims are broken

no point simming rn

[mystic warren]

yeah was just doing it for fun but no surprise they're broken, thanks

[mellow quartz]

just think back to when it was 20% 🙂

[strong forum]

i didnt have beta back then

but yeah would be literally perma zooom

would be sooo nice

[cobalt seal]

But pwar is doing 70k on aa

Thats broken

[strong forum]

unlike vdh amirite

[cobalt seal]

I only did 60k

While not playing the broken trinkets

And playing like shit

[strong forum]

see

vdh broken

i only did 63k with ethical gaming

[naive laurel]

prot warr d tier rip bloodsurge rip prot

bear is my new god

[strong forum]

[mellow quartz]

who did that?

[naive laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/kandaar-bear-walk-cute-funny-gif-14769450

[strong forum]

yoda pre-nerf, with pre-nerf boon

[mellow quartz]

oh back then

[cobalt seal]

Lemike actually did it today

In a 18 fort

[naive laurel]

actually insane wtf

[mellow quartz]

wonder how big they pulled for that

[strong forum]

huh

[mellow quartz]

you can pull everything before last boss and everything on tree boss, you will do a lot overall lol

[cobalt seal]

Pretty big

Tree was 2 pulls

The area around the elemental was 2 pulls

Last area was 1 pull?

[strong forum]

boon + itf + decoration of flame

and 1min TR

instead of shockwave

so pretty much fullpad

[cobalt seal]

Yeah

Then he flooped to the first pull on left

[mellow quartz]

thats when you go 'whats the point' lol

like the SL beta HOA pulls

'look I did a gazillion dam'

[strong forum]

wanna know why lemike died on that pull

cuz hes not dwarf

[cobalt seal]

Kultiran?

[strong forum]

worse

[cobalt seal]

Mechagnome?

[strong forum]

worse

[cobalt seal]

Tauren?

[strong forum]

worse

[sinful pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/schitts-creek-alexis-rose-shocked-jaw-dropping-jaw-drop-gif-23524458

Vulpera

[strong forum]

worse

[naive laurel]

oh god

[slender blade]

is that possible

[strong forum]

yeah if you play a race that does absolutely 0 for you in pve

[south osprey]

@strong forum -After reading the below pin, I was playing around in a low level M plus earlier to give it ago. Without using rend or thunder clap, rend was being applied to the mobs, thunder clap was refreshing the rend debuff on the mobs.

What was causing "rend" to be applied, do you know which talent/passive caused this?

[slender blade]

meme or no

[strong forum]

hes playing orc

and the answer to that question is thunderclap

[south osprey]

no it's a gen question lol, I've just returned

hmmm... i'm pretty sure I didn't use thunderclap or rend, but rend was applied

[slender blade]

oh yea thunderclap, im sorry i didnt mean to be rude, sometimes people meme a lil but yes clap

[south osprey]

is there a passive that applies it?

[strong forum]

@cobalt seal he did 68k

so not even a record

[mellow quartz]

'pretty sure I didn't use TC' go hit a dummy see if it happens and see in details if you hit TC

[lofty widget]

we have multiple bleeds, you probably saw deep wounds

[slender blade]

i believe there is no other way to apply, prolly wounds from revenge

[cobalt seal]

You for sure used tc

[south osprey]

yeah prolly wounds

[mighty grail]

I can’t really decide, 2 weeks left to launch, pwarrior or bdk, I really like both styles. Is there any of those who looks better then the other for s1? No meme

[strong forum]

you sure youre not confusing it with deep wounds

cuz devastator applies deep wounds

[strong forum]

both are top tier, bdk is harder, pwar is easier

[mighty grail]

Equal in dmg and so on?

[slender blade]

They just did a 50% aura buff to a tank the other day so I wouldn't worry a ton about tuning, both feel fun and both will probably be good, but could change

[ocean bloom]

When you say harder is it hard or is it like more than 3 braincells

[naive laurel]

community perception wise it seems that everyone thinks pwar is god so that might also be a choosing factor

[south osprey]

No I actually think it was "Improved heroic throw" , it applies deep wounds

[strong forum]

"if you play 90% effective, you only do 70% of the max dps" type of hard

[strong forum]

pwar is alot easier to pull decent numbers

bdk requires perfect play

[cobalt seal]

Hmmm

[mighty grail]

Big thanks

[mighty grail]

Made it easier for me now 🙂

[south osprey]

I'm not memeing lol, it's a genuine question, I didn't use thunder clap

[cobalt seal]

Thats a big issue

Like really big

[south osprey]

But looking at the talents, it looks like maybe it was "improved heroic throw"

[strong forum]

sir

[slender blade]

Well that may have been deep wounds, but not rend

[strong forum]

deep wounds isnt rend

we have 2 bleeds

[cobalt seal]

3

[strong forum]

not in pre-patch

[mellow quartz]

20% less stun duration when your get stunned by Thundering? 🙂

[strong forum]

HUGE

[outer thorn]

blood fury is an average 60ap 🙂

[naive laurel]

orc new meta for pugging

[outer thorn]

or somth

[cobalt seal]

Wdym

Orc is bis for warrior roleplaying

[slender blade]

that is so true

[naive laurel]

idk my dwarf looks pretty hot when i rp

thats what the goldshire ladies say at least

[slender blade]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/360573191552237578/1041151854609956904/3x.gif

[mellow quartz]

lemike also had 2 dps dead at the end of the tree boss, adds stayed alive longer for free dam 🙂

[slender blade]

Dwarf and hot

[strong forum]

hell yeah

[naive laurel]

now thats what i call style right there

[cobalt seal]

No xavius shoulders

Dogshit

[strong forum]

leather

[cobalt seal]

Skill issue

Fine. No garrosh shoulder

Is it really leather? Isnt it cosmetic ?

[strong forum]

yes its leather only

[timid beacon]

At this point is there any reason to try to get good with banner up time?

[cobalt seal]

Yes

To get good for df

Things are related

[timid beacon]

But there’s no banner in df roghr?

[cobalt seal]

Yes

But the skills gained in banner training translate to df

[strong forum]

banner keeps itself up

by playing well

if you lose banner, youre not playing well

its that simple

its not something you need to actively play around trying to keep up

[cobalt seal]

Banner is a skill issue test

[hazy bronze]

Also it looks cool

[timid beacon]

Just wanted to make sure I didn’t miss something going through all the talents

[naive laurel]

IP works with all dmg types right?

too lazy to do a quick google

[ocean bloom]

What exactly makes it so hard? I just didn't see anything that made it loom hard at first

[cobalt seal]

Lets reverse it

What do you think bdk do

To do dmg

[mellow quartz]

they did the whole dungeon in 7 pulls in that 68k AA run

[charred perch]

Is there any video/ guide about how to maximise banner ?

[cobalt seal]

Press buttons

Keep buttons on cd

Press tc press ss press revenge press sb press ip

[peak bramble]

pins

[primal cape]

Im seeing streamers using TC > revenge

should we?

[strong forum]

tc generates rage

revenge spends it

use accordingly

the prio is SS > TC > revenge

especially during avatar

you wanna revenge to keep up your tierbuff atleast every 5 seconds

[wide pilot]

Is that the same for when ravager is activated?

[strong forum]

if your rage gen is very high cuz of CDs or ultra pull and bloodsurge is pumping, you can forego a bit of SS usage

but you wont run into this situation very often on beta rn

[wide pilot]

👍

[strong forum]

on retail you will cuz banner and bloodsurge is still pumping

[wide pilot]

Ah ok that makes sense.

[severe hatch]

Is beta updated with the bloodsurge nerfs?

[sick sentinel]

i don't understand the purpose of when you are playing dk you have death's advance and wraithwalk, and they both mostly do the same thing but its 2 differing effects, what i mean is i don't understand why DA doesn't become WWalk

[severe hatch]

Wraith Walk is a channel, can't do anything else

But surely that's a better question for Acherus

[mellow quartz]

why are you only talking abt bdk in the prot warrior discord all the time yogi?

[naive laurel]

yogi has a secret bdk crush

[sick sentinel]

played one recently, i main pwar in bfa and shadowlands but i haven't fully commited to going to another spec yet

[mellow quartz]

what does that have to do with talking abt blood specific things in the prot discord?

[radiant magnet]

I played a cat girl in FF14, but I dont come in here asking questions about it

[sick sentinel]

yeah welll, when u see them take control of the green goop dude in AD on a +15 and he just refreshes the pet every 5 minutes and AMS and deathgrip, deathstrike, hard not to get a little jealous

[wet stone]

how do i keep blade flurry up on a disc priest

[severe hatch]

Got to multibox

[sick sentinel]

and, after leveling a vulpera i may be able to side with nome and go with the furry ways

40 yard pull is over powered, fox racial may as well just read "pull stuff at 40yards away"

[icy citrus]

someone tell me how is it possible that naowh had 100% uptime on SB even without HR

[severe hatch]

Enduring Defenses and a lot of haste

I'm assuming he didn't take Bolster, but that's another way to make it easier

[icy citrus]

he actually have bolster, yes

[severe hatch]

Oh, well that's a lot of uptime as well

[icy citrus]

i thought 90% was max, (HR included) but now this without it makes me think

[lofty widget]

you can get 90 % with just ED atm on prepatch

[severe hatch]

With HR 100% is trivial

[oak echo]

yeah are you talking prepatch or beta?

[severe hatch]

I end up capping out at 23 seconds or w/e

[deep spruce]

It's a max of like 24 secs

So that makes sense

But then u just keep adding to it

[sick sentinel]

can i still get the kill 30 bosses quest or is there pre-requisists quests, like i want to do this on my alt just to get 2 dinars to get 1handers and the shield

[cobalt seal]

where did you get that 90%?

[sick sentinel]

i think the dinar version of the shield for transmog looks incredible

[cobalt seal]

yes

[oak echo]

you get the quest as soon as you walk into raid, no prereqs

[cobalt seal]

you can

[deep spruce]

U just go in the raid and it pops

And then kill 30

[sick sentinel]

oh, cuz i was at the bank and im going WTF

its not here...

[icy citrus]

from discussion yesterday, i think Nomeratur mentioned it

[sick sentinel]

there is something i like really alot about the shield from dinars,

[cobalt seal]

you didn't say anything about HR

[oak echo]

so i think to summarize your real question is why did you see 100% without HR when nom is saying only 90% without HR and the answer is bolster

[sick sentinel]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=189845/ruined-crest-of-lordaeron#modelviewer 100 billion % chance i will be chasing the recolors of this, especially for alliance stuff, looks really cool

[finite narwhal]

is this usable or just normal shield?
Just got it as my first shield on my war haha

[cobalt seal]

if its ilvl

yes

[sick sentinel]

if its item level upgrade itsupgrade

also indestructible on that shield for flavor is lol

[finite narwhal]

I had 220ilvl previous shield, so it is upgrade hehe

[sick sentinel]

then yeah 100% use it till u find something better, u have shield that procs for small amount dmg and cant break on you

[finite narwhal]

kk, thanks. I was more curious if it isnt some ,,bis,, item. I have that ,,flame,, weapon from here as a very good item on my monk

[gentle jackal]

How should I be using focus targets? As I approach a pack, I set one mob to focus so it’s easier to interrupt them? Is that it?

[sick sentinel]

if theers something that needs to be interrupted and its not the raid boss, like a key i mark everything with a skull x

used to have marking bar that could do 2 click world markers and 1 click marks

anything that does even remotely a heal or a dmg reduce itself heavily/all enemies is instant skull/x for me

[hollow sun]

pretty much, you can also open on that specific mob by targetting it first, then focus it and keep on with your rotation and target switching. It can be useful if there is a pack you are approaching fast / fail to target the right mob before approaching the pack.

Or you can open and target it with tab cycling while getting aggro, then focus it. Or use mouseover, but with a lot of mobs you could fuck it up

[late panther]

has anyone made a sheet what u can effectively spell block similar to spell reflect?

[jagged pier]

not finished yet

[late panther]

sry im stupid

u can add shield of light / storm drake 👍

[jagged pier]

👍

[finite narwhal]

I know prepatch is ending soon, but I want to try learn how to dps with prot. Is there any dummie guide? I am only 220ilvl, but I feel like my dps is not ideal, going around 5-6k in keys.

or is it very gear dependant?

[jagged pier]

ummm tbh i have no idea what good damage at that ilvl would be

[cobalt seal]

5-6k doesn't sound low

for that ilvl

[jagged pier]

that was my thinking

but tbh best just log some stuff

and we can check it for u

[limpid anchor]

posting a log might be a btter way to figure it out

[mellow quartz]

that mini boss in RLP before last boss ticks for 80k on his aoe on an 18 fort

[cobalt seal]

fire or thunder?

[wary heath]

Can you reflect it?

[mellow quartz]

high channeler ryvati

not the drakes

[cobalt seal]

oh last boss

my bad

[mellow quartz]

healer was not quite prepared lol

I know evoker is not the best tank healer but the first boss tank nuke freaking hurts

[hollow sun]

do you guys like the new dungeons?

[mellow quartz]

they are good, except azure vault which is a bit cringe and just a hold W place

nokhud offensive and COS are 'ok' rest are good imo including the old ones coming back

[limpid anchor]

not a fan of smb

[mellow quartz]

I kinda like it in its current state 🤷‍♂️

[pallid quiver]

I really think we need an M+ dungeon that's a straight linez literally no pathing deviation and no way to skip mobs, and have it so pulling all the mobs gets you over count just to screw with people.

it'd be really funny

It'd be terrible to play through but it'd be funny

[lofty widget]

you mean grimrail?

[pallid quiver]

no you can skip mobs at the start of grimrail

And it gives the illusion of variation at that same start

[outer thorn]

temple of jade serpent then?

[pallid quiver]

i dont have beta so i can neither confirm nor deny, but you do have the choice which wing to hit first iirc?

[outer thorn]

the big snakes before snake boss feel like they are going to be a bit spongy on higher fort keys

[limpid anchor]

in theroy? but i never went to the right one first. also not during mop

kinda like some more straight forward dungeons

especially compared to jy and stuff

a bit less burden on the tank

[pallid quiver]

JY is so funny with pugs sometimes

[sick sentinel]

https://youtu.be/CnIOpRO6T-k?t=5594 3 videos ago "can somebody tell me what a mythic is and how do i do them", last night some guys carried him

[pallid quiver]

They'll just bail for the most random reasons

[finite narwhal]

Mm, I am checking 60 lvl version of prepatch m+ build, but there is no vigor

But yesterday somebody said here, thats its very vítal talent

[jagged pier]

well 5/6 of our build have it in you'll have to ask @strong forum why one of them hasnt got it

but i wouldnt recommend not running it

[finite narwhal]

I see, I was checking wall leggo one, because I am planning to make leggo tonight. Was kinda hyped that I saw seeing red and booming voice together, but then saw no Vigor hehe

[strong forum]

thats a basic build that alot of people play, and its not inherently wrong

thats why

[finite narwhal]

Is there any Chance that I can play vigor, booming voice, seeing red and demo shout reduction cd without losing something crucial?

[strong forum]

youd lose outburst

and thats big nono

[finite narwhal]

Yeah, what a dilema

[strong forum]

you get 5 points past the 3rd gate

[finite narwhal]

And if I drop wall for wall leggo, should I go for booming voice or ravager? If I want vigor

Both seems good

[strong forum]

you can only get 5 points

[finite narwhal]

Ravager is too much rage, but it does good dmg in pulls

[strong forum]

2 for shield spec, 1 for vigor, 1 for indom, 1 for outburst

you have to remove 1 of them to get ravager or booming voice or ravager

[finite narwhal]

I mean without cd reduction for demo,

Or I am just dumb and clicked it wrong in calculator

[strong forum]

i can only repeat myself

[finite narwhal]

I have feeling that I could drop wall talent and point it in voice/.ravager

[strong forum]

you only have 5 points below 3rd gate
2 for shield spec, 1 for vigor, 1 for indom, 1 for outburst
you have to remove 1 of them to get ravager or booming voice

you cant remove a point in the 2nd gate

and gain a 6th point in the 3rd gate

[modern brook]

Have you tried just getting a 6th point?

[urban portal]

Why our TCer so noob

[finite narwhal]

I see it now, I saw last point with lvl 59 and assumed that at 60, there is another point, my bad

[limpid anchor]

soon we get 5 more :)

[finite narwhal]

Yeah, but losing banner :(, its fun mechsnic, reminds me of bfa survival hunter build

[limpid anchor]

whats the mechanic?

[finite narwhal]

You had 2 or 3 min cd, that increased your dmg by 20% and agility by like 1000, and if you pressed moongose bite, it extented by 1.5sec

Basically, you could.go for 100% uptime, but you needed non pug tank for that in keys

[drowsy scarab]

is it a bug that my thunder clap applies rend without its being on any mob in the pull?

[limpid anchor]

blood and thunder talent

should be removed, nerf prot.

[strong forum]

the tooltip literallys says that it applies rend

[open gazelle]

God blood dks have it so much harder than we do

[drowsy scarab]

oh i thought it just spreads it

if i used it on one target

i got it wrong, thx

[modern brook]

is nomeratur streaming today

im bored

[cobalt seal]

Doubt

[modern brook]

:whygod:

[strong forum]

can watch the vod from yesterday

[modern brook]

[gentle acorn]

none, glyphs are cosmetic 🙂

[strong forum]

charge fire and intervene fire

very important

and also buy prismatic bauble

for rainbow charge

it costs 250k tho, and is only sold by vendor who isnt always up

[blissful storm]

What’s the best covenant is it between necro and kyrian?

[strong forum]

necro by literal lightyears

[blissful storm]

Then for dps it’s arms over fury?

[mortal brook]

it is not

[finite narwhal]

tormented kings legendary activates bladestorm/releckness for prots aswell?

[oak echo]

It does but it feels pretty awful to lose control of your character randomly when you avatar

[strong forum]

yes, but only from avatar

[finite narwhal]

ah I see, thanks, seems like I need to go reprisal route anyway

[oak echo]

You can safely get away with reprisal, seismic reverb, or the wall if you really want to make a lego for the next 2 weeks. The latter 2 conflict with talents so you have to make sure to not take those talents and use the point somewhere else.

Reprisal down in popularity right now because it's a beans playstyle and it's not required for block uptime anymore

[finite narwhal]

I wanted try it with double leggo, but it seems, legendary doesnt matter anymore with talents

maybe I will go for more heroic leaps, but I dont think group would like that

[frigid gulch]

Where would you say the better class guides come from, Icy veins, or Wowhead? Or in your opinions is there somewhere better?

[obsidian path]

Wowhead is usually more up to date

[ocean bloom]

i always look at wowhead + class discord. Class discords are usually the most up to date

[frigid gulch]

Cheers guys

[limpid pawn]

how many point is each extra key level (timed) roughly?

like 15?

[modern brook]

It's not linear

[oak echo]

If you're asking score, it is linear but the score is based on your Fort and tyran keys for that dungeon. Diificulty increase is exponential

And it's 7.5 per Key level assuming you go up by 1 on both weeks

[strong forum]

In SL its still linear

In DF it's 10 points after +10 keys instead of 7.5 or 8 in SL

To compensate for the increase in key scaling

[oak echo]

Oh right

[urban portal]

Does mwahi still write for icy

[mellow quartz]

Guides have the authors names at the top. Go check?

[misty compass]

best race for tank warrior? Or it wouldn't matter?

[slim dove]

I understand its highmountain tauren or kul tiran, but it really doesn't matter that much

[gritty swallow]

For alliance is likely dwarf but play what you think would be fun the only people that really need to care are the top 1%

[slim dove]

Ah yeah bleed removal is big

[gritty swallow]

If you think the class fantasy of a warrior mechagnome is absolutely bonkers pog then do it

[misty compass]

I see many orcs on the horde side and dwarves on the alliance side. I'm in the horde, I think I'm going like an orc

[gritty swallow]

Then orc is the best race for tank warrior for you because you’ll enjoy playing the character

[mortal brook]

I LIKE FAIRY PRINCESS KUL TIRAN

[topaz leaf]

Dear lord

[slim dove]

Its beautiful

[icy yarrow]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/855/340/23b.jpg

[toxic geyser]

Hey @strong forum did you say, Prot warr had the best ST tank dam?

[uneven mason]

No, nom said nom had the best st tank damage

[toxic geyser]

Lmao

[pallid quiver]

Best for the classes last I checked was either Bear or Brew depending on how you're looking at things

[uneven mason]

Bear megaroided

[pallid quiver]

Brew I think does more still, but it's clearly out of whack or something

i dunno i dont check other tanks much other than basics

[uneven mason]

Watching top tier tankers scuff bear because they require interaction is amusement

[mortal brook]

putting maul back on your bars is a huge ask for many. serious skill ceiling minmax

[river summit]

nice roadhog skin

[mortal brook]

is roadhog a fairy princess?

[river summit]

inside always was

[mortal brook]

good

[river summit]

😅

overwatch 3 confirmed

[thick otter]

Am i supposed to get the "the wall" legendary effect without having it equipped?

Or is it a bug

[mighty valley]

do you have the talent?

[thick otter]

what is it called?

[mighty valley]

Impenetrable Wall

[thick otter]

oh yeah lol the other legendary i have is there aswell

thanks

[mighty valley]

They don't stack so if you're wearing one of those legendaries you can move that point somewhere else

[sick sentinel]

i uh.... huh??

[oak echo]

H̹̞ͅe̼̣͘ ̮̖̕ć̙̯o͙͈̤m̟̦̬e̥ş̱

[sick sentinel]

i think those are tiny tiny tiny ability icons...

[maiden osprey]

Hey someone has some tip for Gunk boss in mecalopolis?

[sick sentinel]

how so, hes very easy

stay to closest one to him everyone stacks on it

[maiden osprey]

He just stops him and makes an area of goop, I barely can sutain through the damage

[sick sentinel]

melee and you attack the inner and middle ring, ranged does middle and outer (if need be) ring

[maiden osprey]

I’ll try again

[sick sentinel]

the trick is the pattern is always in then out

if it collapses this time, will always expand next and vice-versa

everyone stands in the closest one to boss, but you still have to move out of swirls or you get gooped

[cobalt grove]

Are you dpsing bots that get gunked to get them out of the goo?

[sick sentinel]

just to clarify, even if your in the robots bubble and there is a swirl incoming, you still get gooped no matter what

[cobalt grove]

Yeah you just gotta keep moving

[sick sentinel]

the bot moves at a liesurly predictable path and the middle and outer bots are basically cosmetic

[oak echo]

right so he always alternates between dropping the swirlies and then either pulsing goo out or sucking it in. i personally find it easiest to stay out of the spray bots when he's doing swirlies so you don't get a bot gunked. and then when he's doing whichever other ability it is in the sequence, i go back into the bot

but everyone stacking in closest bot also works, just makes it more likely the bot will get gunked

[sick sentinel]

what im saying is expanding/contracting goop ring 360 is what always flips

[oak echo]

yeah, was just clarifying what you said about it always being a pattern with the swirlies in between

[sick sentinel]

swirlies spawn more or less RNG

[limpid pawn]

wait

[oak echo]

they spawn around people though i'm pretty sure. you can bait them away from the spray bots

[limpid pawn]

so goign up by 1 key in tyrannical from say 26 to 27

thats 7.5 points?

or do i need to do it in fortified as well

[oak echo]

sort of...

if you go from a 26 to a 27 in a dungeon right now, your overall score will not go up by 7.5

but your tyrannical score will

your overall is made up of something like 2/3 of your higher score (fort or tyr) and 1/3 of the other

you would need to go up a key level this week and next in the same dungeon to see a 7.5 increase

[sick sentinel]

tyranical twins in junk can be pretty nasty too

[oak echo]

like nom said earlier, it's 10 per starting in DF though

[sick sentinel]

the run you over thing hurts

[oak echo]

and tbh even this is oversimplifying it because the 7.5 assumes you go up exactly 1 key level including % time remaining on the timer. if you like barely timed your 26 then almost 2 chest the 27 it's a bigger increase

[sick sentinel]

you hardly get nothing if you depleted i dunn but its bad its like 75% to 25% of timed value

[steel bane]

question can you use spell block on shared suffering

[oak echo]

a lot of people ask it idk if anyone has actually gone and tested it and reported back in here lol. might be able to tell from looking at rando m+ logs

but if it works like old prot pally holy shield, which i've heard it does, then it should work

[high aspen]

guy i wanted to talk about this warrior right here

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/alleria/ironfoe#

wonder if you noticed anything weird

[hybrid fox]

you mean the ilvl 28 weapon?

[high aspen]

yeah

wait ive talked about this before in here

i forgot

...

dementia kicking in

[plucky phoenix]

Anyone,have a viable prot pvp spec for s 1 dragonflight from,beta?

[mellow quartz]

should go ask in #pvp

[sand pebble]

ironfoe gives a chance for 2 extra attacks, id imagine they think that the additional rage gen outperforms the loss in damage and stats, completely wrong but let them be

they used it for a few wipes on jailor heroic at some stage, pretty meme

looks like they meme with it, started raid with it on, wipes twice and swapped it out

[floral solar]

Considering the character name its much more likely to be a joke.

Than them thinking its good.

[warm plinth]

Yes

[oblique drift]

I can't seem to find solid info on this anywhere - what stance should you primarily be using as prot in M+ content?

[pallid quiver]

Battle

Until you need Defensive Stance to not die, Battle for the damage

[oblique drift]

Fair enough, lol

[lone eagle]

I'd say starting a pull in d-stance if its a multipack pull or you need a sec to set up is probably smart as well

And then I swap to bstance once I have things gathered and am ready to blast with sb up and stuff

Impending Victory is actually really, really good as well to use early in the pack gathering process

I charge-drive by IV on my first or 2nd pack in a pull to buy me some more health while the healer is chasing and I'm not in immovable wall of HP mode yet

[sleek current]

To add to Zath's response. ANY magic damage can be mitigated by Spell Reflect. It doesn't just reflect spells it reduces magic damage taken by 20%.

[mighty valley]

I’m in love with Ironfoe

[warm plinth]

He was talking about spell block, not spell reflect :p But your point is still important since people seem to overlook the mitigation aspect of reflect.

[outer pine]

What trinkets are you fellas suggesting for like +15 range in mythic plus?

[warm plinth]

Part of me really wants to say codex just to see the fury of the prot bois roll in

But in reality, just whatever you can get is fine. If you have access to raid trinkets, OWS+aegis or RDM is good

[ionic fern]

Why do you disappoint me so.

[warm plinth]

😂

I'm sorry Mwahi, ily

[ionic fern]

It's fine - you've earned a pass this time.

[warm plinth]

Did you see that I got 50 on all the toons 😮

[ionic fern]

No. 👀

I just got back to the PC , weekend was busy-busy

Gratz tho.

[warm plinth]

Just gotta do 18 toons 50-60 after Tuesday and then I'm done until DF hits

[ionic fern]

So you're not leveling directly to 60..but all to 50 and then all to 60?

[warm plinth]

Well, the xp scaling changes are supposedly going to be implemented on Tuesday

Which will be a lot faster for 50-60 than now

[ionic fern]

Ah,okay.

[warm plinth]

Because the XP required is going down around ~73ish% for that range, plus we'll still have anniversary buff.

[sand pebble]

No because its 78% xp and you spam tw

[warm plinth]

I don't do dungeons really

I'll do an SL dungeon quest or two sometimes but that's it

I still gotta figure out where I'm gonna level the last 10 since I have a choice now

[sand pebble]

You leveled all that withoutdung spam ? Jfc well done

[warm plinth]

Yeah none of these did more than maybe 2 or 3 dungeons.

[ionic fern]

👀

I've though about leveling via quests just to see Warlords and MoP storyline but...too lazy.

[warm plinth]

I've done purely WoD on the last like...6 toons I think

[ionic fern]

And there's probably a 2h video on YT explaining it which i could listen to.

[warm plinth]

Before that I was just leveling in classic zones. I'd just pick one from the board and follow the breadcrumb quests from zone to zone

[sand pebble]

Mop i went from 10 to 50 and only got to see jade forrest and half of summit

[warm plinth]

It was kinda nice, had a nice varied quest path. But doing WoD repeatedly is definitely much faster, especially since you start to memorize it

[pallid quiver]

MoP's storyline is best enjoyed while actually talking to all the side NPCs and everything

which, with current exp rate, you do not get to do

So it's nice for nostalgia if you like the expac (me), but terrible for experiencing story in any semblance of sense and order since you'd need like 5 characters

[warm plinth]

Yeah during Winds of Wisdom, I was doing the Draenor intro, Frostfire, and then usually hit 50 either right before or right after the Iron Docks scenario

in Gorgrond

Without Winds I was doing probably half to 2/3 of Talador before I finished

[blissful gale]

Can someone tell me please how plka never drops shield block?

I really dont get it

What for? I dont have his logs lol, got to his stream and you will dee during combat dudes does not drop shield block ever

[sleek current]

You can run Heavy Repercussions and Enduring Defences to easily get 100% uptime on Shield Block. Mileage can vary based on Shield Slam procs but, that's usually fine.

[fast knot]

having a Weakaura to track it at first will assist but in say a key generally it's just muscle memory to refresh it

[sleek current]

What BigBlaris said, you'll get used to it. You'll get RSI for a couple of weeks then your left hand wrist muscles will grow tremendously and you'll never suffer RSI again.

[errant lake]

how the frick do i settle on a class to play in df, all the tanks seem sick

[sleek current]

The answer is Warrior.

[fast knot]

experiment on Beta/PTR and find the tank you can excel at

[sleek current]

Or... The more serious answer. Whatever you really enjoy playing

[errant lake]

im stuck between warrior, druid, dk, pally, and brew atm. I have it pretty narrowed down

[fast knot]

[errant lake]

god help me

[vernal raven]

Wanna play reactively or proactively?

[pallid quiver]

now you just need to take the pink class off the chart and you're in business

[errant lake]

idk i just want to do some fat pulls and take some small damage

[vernal raven]

Then warrior lol

[fast knot]

Brm right now at least gets kind of shitcanned

that could obviously change with tuning to lower damage and buff survivability

but you're at the mercy of your healer wanting to spend the effort to babysit you

and not the boosted ape dps standing in mechanics

[sleek current]

https://tenor.com/view/warrior-gif-6183644

How I imagine every pull

[errant lake]

its hopeless, there is no way to choose

[sleek current]

Every tank can do this. Think about your class fantasy instead. I like being a beefy man with a shield while taking absolute punishment. That's why I'm a Warrior.

[vernal raven]

strictly speaking, the warrior is the one who mitigates the most damage, therefore he receives less damage than other classes such as dk, dh, druid or monk

[blissful gale]

I was not aware of these talents, i can definitely see how you can have 100% uptime on it

[errant lake]

ok but dk has big grippy hand

[limpid anchor]

But pwar is also far behind in dps

Which is helpful in higher keys

[ashen mural]

I’m between DH and War on my end. My group has a WW monk, so despite brew being my main for almost all of SL, but I don’t wanna DR stuns

[fast knot]

DK takes some practice, plus the pucker factor with how their healing works

[limpid anchor]

Doesn’t it dr anyway

[vernal raven]

he is not asking about the class with the most dps lol

[limpid anchor]

Stun is a stun

[errant lake]

ok but pally has a nice spinny hammer and bouncy shield

brew has funny keg throws and big rolls

[limpid anchor]

Yes, but big pulls die faster with more dmg :)

[sleek current]

Aye, gorgeous talents.

[errant lake]

ok but bear can cast lasers

[blissful gale]

Dh has been my main since legion, and they are amazing rn, but i want a change and prot warrior definitely has the upper hand rn

[errant lake]

yeah i did dh last expo which is why im not considering them

[limpid anchor]

Just play what you want

[errant lake]

they are very fun as well

I want to plat them all is the issue

play

[sleek current]

Then play them all. Haha

[errant lake]

I only have so much time, can probably only do 2 max

hoping to only do one for a while

[sleek current]

Sounds like DK and Bear to me then based on what you've said.

[errant lake]

but my need for playing multiple classes will probably best me

warrior and druid are probably my top two, leaning warrior for my main since ive done druid before

[sleek current]

Go for it. I find Warrior exhilarating. I hope you do too.

[vernal raven]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/ypwe4r/back_with_the_wheel_of_destiny_do_you_dare_let/

Yw

[errant lake]

ive been trying warrior out on a fresh 60 and it is pretty fun

lets try this wheel

i got dh

the one class i didnt want

fuck

ok prot warrior second spin

[sleek current]

It's fate then.

[errant lake]

i can only hope so

[limpid anchor]

Do not betray fate. Stick to dh

[sleek current]

Took me 3 tries to get Prot Warrior. It really wanted me to switch to Druid. My most hated tank. 😂

[sage granite]

I also got DH, goodbye

[oak echo]

for those who know they're gonna be playing alts, what's your plan for release up to m+/raid release? just focusing on a main or looking to get multiple things leveled right away?

[errant lake]

hoping to stick to main for at least a month or so before verging off to alts

[finite narwhal]

I am still thinking if I should go for dps at start or start as a tank/healer. Cant decide on tank/healer aswell, because I mostly dont care about healing/tankiness. but about dps numbers hehe

[arctic marten]

When off-tanking, is there any point to maintaining Shield Block?

[south osprey]

No, unless you share dmg

[arctic marten]

Right, so the 30% increased Shield Slam damage portion is just outweighed by Revenge?

[lofty widget]

In raid? You keep up sb

[arctic marten]

Even when off-tanking? I'm confused now, the other guy said 'no'

[mighty valley]

if pressing shield block while offtanking would mean you would have downtime while actively tanking, don't press it

[icy yarrow]

30% more for shield slam so yes

[mighty valley]

but ideally your talents mean that you can just keep it up all the time, which means you might as well keep it up for SS damage

[jagged pier]

these takes are dumb you keep it up for damage, but u have to make sure u have 2 charges for when your start tanking again, so you should you just need to manage it. luckily with the new talents you if u play correctly u can send SB whenever you want. because you will have 100% uptime pretty much

[blazing condor]

whirlwind sure is 360

[limpid anchor]

That’s not wrong

But why are mobs in the tanks back

[thorny stone]

He's got a point

[dense verge]

His logic is airtight

[warm gyro]

I use whirlwind when kiting so i can turn 360 and walk away.

[jagged pier]

[limpid anchor]

Aren’t you in the range of getting hit if you can hit them with ww

[limpid anchor]

And is that you in the ss? Considering both start with an b …

[warm gyro]

It's an older meme, so I'll just post this so people don't think I'm retarded.

[limpid anchor]

Im too tired to understand jokes :/

[crude notch]

The real play is to click remove until there is only one spec left.

[sly perch]

Man slam and whirlwind is just the best when tanking

Slam dunk 360

[jagged pier]

[errant oriole]

question whats yalls opinion on defender's aegis talent?

[jagged pier]

very very niche

otherwise trash

[errant oriole]

ok thanks 😄

[warm plinth]

Good morning @potent anvil @shut summit hope you guys have a wonderful start to your week ❤️

[mortal brook]

[ionic fern]

@warm plinth, good evening.

[knotty idol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwVuCCgzmyk

What yall think of this mentality

[jagged pier]

i agree with the title

avoid them at all costs

[ionic fern]

Tier lists are there just to make money.

[cobalt seal]

Great video

[limpid anchor]

Pwar is f tier

[ionic fern]

They provide nothing else for your average player.

[limpid anchor]

That’s the truth