they must have fucked something up
#protection
mellow quartz
did a HOV and had 3263 procs from rend, deep wounds and TR ticks and I had 225 bloodsurge procs
7% of 3263 is 228
strong forum
i had less rage generated from bloodsurge than demo shout
and that was jsut fucked up
clear spindle
How many upvotes on the forum do we need to get this nerf reversed? /s
mellow quartz
if it worked correctly at 10% it would have given me 1631 rage instead of only 1125
would have taken it up to 4th place in this key
also the GCD change to SC feels much better if you just accept that you cannot wait to put up demo shout before you send it
mellow quartz
I charge and then shield charge respectively unless I know I wont get hit multiple times on pull then charge, SS and SC
strong forum
i refrain from charge->sc
mellow quartz
well TC if big group
mellow quartz
I SC after charge ends
playing with an evoker healer and doing the triple pull in HOV and looking at the healing meter and you do 50k as a prot warrior and he is going 8k....
1 pull
mellow quartz
its a bad trinket
olive steeple
Ah I see
mellow quartz
all-totem of the master
jovial wedge
what is the best on use trinket so far?
jovial wedge
the wet stone was doing crazy dmg, right?
strong forum
"crazy"
you lose out on 470 str to gain a bit of aoe
i found blazebinders hoof the best so far
it can stack up some crazy strength for your burst windows
jovial wedge
nice, will try that one
strong forum
hunger of the pack is also just solid
gritty swallow
is the shield trinket from the first boss of raid not good? i havent dont anything crazy in beta keys but i felt like it was at least decent
mellow quartz
having to pvp to get it though....
strong forum
is the shield trinket from the first boss of raid not good? i havent dont anythi...
they nerfed it by insane amounts
it does fuckall now
gritty swallow
they nerfed it by insane amounts
makes sense i used it first like a month ago lol
strong forum
it now does pitiful dmg and pitiful absorb shield
mellow quartz
1k main stat for 40% is probably the best there is now, including 500 haste
toxic pewter
What about that one that roots you in place and does big aoe dam
jovial wedge
wait hunger of the pack only increases speed? does it have any benefits for dmg?
strong forum
it has full str and crit
jovial wedge
oh right
strong forum
its a great statstick
gritty swallow
i know its a bad question because theres still time for the orbital nerf hammer to come for trinket effects but what ones are looking best so far?
strong forum
all look bad
gritty swallow
hot
waxen cradle
I still see a lot shaking loose between now and when launch happens not to mention what final tuning they throw in prior to raids launching. Obviously by shaking loose I mean many more tuning passes to come.
How does Bloodsurge feel now btw ?
Not been on in a few days to test it, may log on today and see how it feels to me. I mean on beta of course
mellow quartz
all look bad
you looked at Windscar from COS?
it does this damage on ST as well as aoe (doesnt scale with aoe)
its abt 2900 dps (spread over 2min)
320-340k damage per cast
that is what, 10% damage on ST?
strong forum
i dont like it
mellow quartz
did 22 ticks for 340k total on the 4 target dummies and did 7 ticks for 322k damage on the tanking dummy
mastery sucks though
vs str
I wonder if its ST damage not make up for the loss of 500 str
slim zinc
It's a decent trinket but not amazing
The storm boon trinket blasts mad damage but it's a real pita to use
mellow quartz
@strong forum having fun on the jade boss? 🙂
toxic pewter
can still charge around during that trinket which is interesting
heroic leap also works
sick sentinel
i dont like it
first glance reminds me of that shadowlands bee trinket or something weird like those, i don't think i'll be going after that one either maybe, probably not.
mellow quartz
no
in keys its still abt 50% more rage than instigate
instigate would be more rage on ST
like for 1min 43s on Hymdall in HOV which is pure ST fight I had 60 devastator procs (so would be 60 rage) and had 20 rage generated from bloodsurge
@strong forum should probably update the ST lvl 70 build in the pins
strong forum
why
mellow quartz
bloodsurge is doing less than half the rage of instigate
strong forum
im :prayge: for fix
wind oak
it's cursed
what was the fight duration
and how many tick of your bleed did occurs too
ocean bloom
i hit a dummy for 10min and it gave me like 200rage total
mellow quartz
bloodsurge only procced 8 times
seems abt right. on a 2min fight my dots ticked abt 110 times so 7% of that is 7.7 bloodsurge procs
dull niche
dumb question - and im certain someone has asked it before so I'm sorry - any reason we don't take Barbaric Training?
dull niche
Pre-Patch yes
jagged pier
dull niche
then what tree am I looking at
dull niche
i'm thinking outloud
mellow quartz
the lvl 60 stuff in pins is showing it correctly
dull niche
sorry it was the WoWHead leveling tree
thin silo
"small steps"
ocean bloom
i dont think i mind the diea that bloodsurge is the aoe pick and instigate is the ST one
but its a bit lackluster atm
would maybe the last stand rage regen be better>
clear spindle
So poopy bloodsurge in m+ and "okay" instigate in raids?
urban portal
Sounds about right
strong forum
for now, yea
olive steeple
best dungeon to run for multiple chances at weapon?
one hander
dont really care about bis. just want ilvl
strong forum
workshop/streets/gd
gd is the quickest and easiest
workshop/streets have the better stat allocation
olive steeple
ty
strong forum
Bloodsurge is currently bugged on beta, using the arms version with 7% instead of 10%
vestal moat
Is execute gonna be worth hitting now with recent buff
honest hazel
Bloodsurge is currently bugged on beta, using the arms version with 7% instead o...
Is it confirmed bugged? Worried it's just an undocumented change.
stark jewel
Hi all, I've been a fury player for the longest time, and looking to get into tanking during df. I've been reading the prot guides on wowhead, and I was wondering if the reason why rend isn't part of the rotation is the blood and thunder talent?
does prot not press rend at all then?
karmic plinth
prot doesnt press rend at all
pallid quiver
tclap is rend
stark jewel
aight thank you guys 😄
strong forum
Is it confirmed bugged? Worried it's just an undocumented change.
either the bluepost about it stating to be nerfed to 10% is wrong, or the 7% version is wrong
we dont know
pallid quiver
let both be wrong, have it be random intern fat fingered a number, return us to before
we need more power at all times
honest hazel
Yeah that's what I figured ok making sure I didn't miss anything
strong forum
feels awful the way it is
honest hazel
Yeah it really does 😭😭
cobalt seal
Hey. Lets just suffer together okay?
Because some people
Decided it was great idea to scream the same bullshit over and over
Til blizzard decided to listen to them
chilly brook
Blizzard nerfing or buffing based on uninformed peoples opinions? Say it ain’t so
heavy glen
is the pinned build the build we are enjoyign rn in M+?
cobalt seal
I blame the uninformed not blizzard
strong forum
there are pins about level 70 and level 60 builds
in st its absolutely better now than bloodsurge
heavy glen
yea, it's got a shelf life
strong forum
none of them do alot for us
heavy glen
gotcha
strong forum
its just 1 talent point you can gain here or there with very little impact
the wall lets you just pick the other SW talent on prot tree
reprisal lets you pick other talents other than Enduring defenses
agile elbow
The bear copium keeps me hopeful at least kek
mellow quartz
this week had so much tank tuning
no point drawing any conclusions abt anything for weeks still
heavy glen
I mean, content creators like updating their tier lists because any update means content
strong forum
thats like saying that the sun will rise tomorrow
heavy glen
exactly
mellow quartz
tuning will be hot and heavy for another 4 weeks
strong forum
bdk alyrion, did you do an AA this weekend yet
heavy glen
at the end of the day, all tanks are going to be able to get KSM
all tanks can do 20s
strong forum
all tanks are stronger than SL
heavy glen
all tanks can probably do 30s some easier than others
strong forum
30s might be a stretch
heavy glen
we agree
strong forum
cuz increased key scaling
heavy glen
some tanks will hit 30s faster
lofty widget
well any tank can usually do the top keys minus 1 or 2 key lvls
mellow quartz
bdk alyrion, did you do an AA this weekend yet
did one or two I believe
heavy glen
but by end of season I think all 6 tanks will see 30s
strong forum
nah, being able to hit 30s is usually a thing for the last season
deep spruce
Has there ever been 30 keys in s1
strong forum
SL was the first expansion where people hit 30s as early as s2
because PF/NW
in legion people didnt hit 30s until last season
iirc
and again, this time around key scaling is 10% instead of 8%
this will reduce likelyhood of 30s drastically
mellow quartz
people did 27s S1 of SL
strong forum
and thats only NW
mellow quartz
but in dungeons that killed themselves
cobalt seal
Especially if they dont nerf some stuff
mellow quartz
PF and NW etc
cobalt seal
Healers and dps will just die
strong forum
yeah
mellow quartz
BFA s1 was 22's
heavy glen
@mellow quartz can confir highest key I'm seeing is a 27
sturdy sable
Maybe 5bdks
strong forum
nah
mellow quartz
scaling was also 10% in bfa iirc and 8% in SL
strong forum
bdk needs threat to deal dmg
more than 1 bdk is trolling
1bdk, 1pally, 1pwar, 1 vdh + X
if they dont get their dmg nerfed, itll be the 5th choice ye
cobalt seal
Who?
strong forum
?
cobalt seal
They barely time 20s
strong forum
the highest is 21
strong forum
30s have never been done in any beta ever
the highest key ever done in beta was 22s in SL beta
with abusing frostmage and sub rogues
who did 4x the dmg they should
heavy glen
do we think S1 is going to go to VDH again?
edgy belfry
strong forum
sky is the limit
we just saw the potential of 50% aura buffs
anything can happen at any given moment
heavy glen
S1 BFA went to BDK by the quick look of it
strong forum
they did because nobody knew anything
heavy glen
S1 SL was clearly VDH
agile elbow
Still holding out that bear will be great and stay buffed kek
strong forum
bear was better
cobalt seal
S1 SL was clearly VDH
Lol
rough solar
Is the Genshii Ignore Pain tracker broken again?
rough solar
Thanks
heavy glen
I'm declaring the "winner" to be the most represented spec between the first tanking class and the last tanking class
In S1 BFA, there seemed to be a blood meta
or rather... a preference
strong forum
the biggest takeaway from s1's in BFA and SL are
there were better choices, majority just didnt know about it
e,g, pwar in 8.0, bear in 9.0
heavy glen
yep
hard vessel
Pwar in 8.0 had ip on gcd
strong forum
it played worse, and you had to play around the fact that you couldnt block ranged projectiles
but pwar had massively more dmg than bdk, had safeguard and 100% block + demo shout uptime
heavy glen
love it or hate it, I'm gonna ride FOTM for this expansion. I've never done it, but I'd like to try it
hard vessel
Ye but it played so fucking horrible
strong forum
i was fine
i played bdk for 2 keys or smth
and hated how braindead it was
and that it wasnt gcd capped
heavy glen
how time intensive do you think it is?
hard vessel
They realized during great push in s1 that bear is just better than dh
strong forum
we knew beforehand, but nobody listened
heavy glen
the great push people just had a microphone. No one listens if you don't have a microphone
hard vessel
They also could try evryrhign at super maxed out gear
strong forum
fighting against what rio people do and say is an uphill battle
heavy glen
I typically run 3-4 toons per season
heavy glen
and I usually get KSM like 3-5 times
heavy glen
lol feelycraft
hard vessel
What feels better is always going to win against pure numbers
heavy glen
I mean that the broadcast tournaments usually shake up the meta because everyone want to do what they do, sorta.
patent osprey
M+ is feely craft, because everyone plays differently. Some tanks are more offensive and some are just defensive. I'm sure there will be tanks in DF that just stay in defensive stance the whole time.
heavy glen
those who are broadcast are on microphone.
strong forum
stance dancing will be the min maxing of pwar in DF
heavy glen
(i've never gotten out of defensive...)
hard vessel
Just tried guardian today after all these buffs, their talent tree is so giga garbage in every single aspect like wtf
heavy glen
(am I missing out?)
strong forum
aside from people playing bad talents builds
sitting in defensive stance is a 14% dps loss
for often times, no reason
heavy glen
wtf....
strong forum
ideally you treat defensive stance as a defensive cooldown
not as a thing you should just default to
cobalt seal
Wdym nome
heavy glen
ok
strong forum
gotta know where and when you stance dance
patent osprey
Knowing when to go in and out of defense stance is the whole thing though. If you don't know what's gonna kill u, better to be in defensive stance
strong forum
well yeah
patent osprey
some shit will just 1 tap you if your in battle stance
hard vessel
But can't you reach high enough keys that you need def stance?
lofty widget
rather learn that the hard way honestly
heavy glen
would you say it's probably best to start pulls in defensive? generally speaking of course....
patent osprey
I personally also like to group mobs in defensive stance and then swap to battle once I plant
strong forum
i should do that
good call
generally i myself sit in bstance 99% of the key
even in normal comps*
heavy glen
fk
patent osprey
once rav drops its all damage!
but tank busters should, at high keys be taken in defensive stance
strong forum
id personally recommend learning in b-stance aswell, so you learn even on lower keys what slaps
patent osprey
or pure magic bosses or mobs should be defensive stance as well
strong forum
or just ultra pulls
strong forum
i did a 4mob pull in AA15 fort where i sat in d-stance for half the pull
i felt bad but ah well
gotta make do
strong forum
hell yeah
heavy glen
so this information now motivates me to grab that stance dance macro.....
jovial wedge
What feels better is always going to win against pure numbers
sonic boom feels better 😛
patent osprey
I've been playing alot of ITF ON BETA M+ and now I can't go back
strong forum
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh
patent osprey
HR is just too slow coming out of SLs
strong forum
i get that
patent osprey
I feel like I'm playing on OCE servers with HR
strong forum
well beta lag is real
for me
so its even worse on my end
but idk if i like the thought of not having 100% sb at the cost of 4-10% haste
patent osprey
so yeah ITF build with bolster unnerving is now my beta build
feels way better. #sorryPins
strong forum
patent osprey
Feelycraft matters
strong forum
i dont disagree
strong forum
but youre defo losing quite abit of dmg that way
and reducing block strength by a good margin
patent osprey
I'm losing ST dam for sure but my aoe is actually better
and I'm a padder sooo
🙂
patent osprey
with a strong group I was doing 51k+ in academy
patent osprey
and strong groups melt mobs so
strong forum
without bloodsurge
patent osprey
it's hard to compare on beta cause DHs and WWs blow up everything so my dps is less
patent osprey
but playing with like ST dps classes I do so much more
patent osprey
you just fight 1 mob forever
strong forum
in totjs i did like 40k
with 1 wipe on jade boss
smbg i did 37ish k
hov also 40k i think
patent osprey
Tree boss is so nice though. pulling like 90k on that boss
then u feel bad when u see brew doing almost 200k
patent osprey
37k and 40 k for hov/smbg is what I was pulling to I think
strong forum
youre just gonna 1phase the boss
strong forum
hm
patent osprey
but haste is fun
strong forum
yeah i think
when you can get to like 35ish% haste
before itf
you can play itf perma in keys
with just ED + Bulwark
patent osprey
either way, it's nice to have options based on your gameplay in DF
strong forum
rn with 30% haste + ED + Bulwark + ITF at 5 stacks you can maintain SB for 90%
over 6minutes
patent osprey
I'm changing talents si much based on need. It's gonna be hard to find THE best build
heavy glen
anyone here use Luxthos warrior WA?
patent osprey
I do
strong forum
i dont change anything rn
heavy glen
I'd like to adjust a couple things if you could help?
patent osprey
just luxthos discord
he will help u do anything. he helped me customize mine completely
heavy glen
DM me?
heavy glen
lol thanks
will do
I don't know what the clicks are
but the 2 things I want are the WAs to completely disappear when not in combat
patent osprey
lux also gas a vid on yt for customizing his stuff
strong forum
thats very easy to do
heavy glen
and 2, spells that are on CD disappear from teh WA untill they will be up in like 5 sec
strong forum
just go to load conditions
and tick the "combat" load option twice
itll say in red "not in combat"
heavy glen
that's easy enough
frosty ermine
I haven't Prot Warrior in many expansions and really trying to decide what Class to play. I will be tanking in M+ but will be DPS in raids. Im still very familiar with fury. However. I feel like im struggling a bit as a tank. I feel like sometimes i have nothing to press waiting for my rage to build. Am I doing something wrong? Basically thunderclap revenge shield slam and whirlwind. Im clearing messing this up.
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strong forum
never slam
never whirlwind
some ideas for lvl60 builds are in the pins
to get rage going you dont wanna overspend rage (aka empty it all the time) but also dont overcap on rage
SS > TC > Rev
use IP to prevent overcapping of rage
frosty ermine
KK so im not doing much wrong. I stopped rending. once i realized im a moron. lol.
patent osprey
Also go full versatility. Noms fav
strong forum
patent osprey
verse > crit
strong forum
not so much at 70
we have so many things interact with crit chance
that it rises in value
frosty ermine
Why never whirlwind? Too much rage used? no rage gain i assume
oblique garnet
verse > crit
We dont do that here
jovial wedge
so, I guess still low cpm? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KaDFVxnkvhPJj4q9/#fight=last&type=casts&source=2
I'm pressing that IP as much as I can
olive steeple
we have so many things interact with crit chance
Do you mind elaborating on this?
strong forum
wildstrikes increases auto attack speed by 20% if you crit with an auto attack
shield slam crit dmg is increased by 10%
and battering ram increases crit chance and dmg of shield charge
more wildstrikes uptime means more shield slams
and thus more rage, dmg and surv
peak bramble
so, I guess still low cpm? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KaDFVxnkvhPJj4q9...
get this part up first
jovial wedge
I have no issues surviving. I’m more concerned with my low dmg
hardy snow
SB increases your dmg as well
peak bramble
- just keep increasing key levels until surviving matters then, and 2. SB literally is extra damage
see the bottom text
discord is the only place where I can pretend to be a zoomer
jovial wedge
What is the average shield block uptime I should be aiming for?
peak bramble
shield block is 1. off the gcd so it's not like it's taking the place of another DPS ability, and 2. costs rage, which is literally why you are pressing IP in the first place, to avoid overcapping rage
you can have 100% uptime easily
in practice, like 95% + is good, maybe you let it drop off at the end of a pack because you're pooling for next pack, etc.
mortal brook
Full coverage vs incoming phys hits. Which with travel and such may not look like 100% on a buffs page
peak bramble
yeah details uptime and logs uptime are a bit different. Although since we're talking about increasing your DPS, even full coverage vs. incoming hits might not be the best indicator
oblique garnet
But even then 100% uptime is doable
peak bramble
even if you're not getting hit if you have SB up you that's still 30% extra shield slam d
jovial wedge
is there anything else from that log I should try to improve?
strong forum
you can look at my log from AA15 today
check for whats the differences between us
in like casts, dmg done, resources->rage
did 63k in this key
mighty valley
I think the problem when your overall cpm is low is probably just practice
limpid pawn
for attunman mortal strike
what do you guys normall yuse on it
ive been using shield wall for the shared suffering
mighty valley
I bet if you recorded yourself you'd see times when you aren't pressing buttons constantly, when you might think you are in practice
limpid pawn
but been getting 1 shot by mortal strike
mighty valley
you can sidestep shared suffering and save CDs
limpid pawn
sidestep it?
i remember leaping, gating, etc and barely escaping it or resetting the abilit
mighty valley
yeah if you leap or intervene or whatever near the end of the cast it'll miss
just don't cleave someone to death
he will start recasting sometimes but that's more wasted time
limpid pawn
that seems really unreliable
lofty widget
its based off his energy bar, when it reachs 100 % he goes back on the horse
so just look at that and decide if you can delay for long enough
mighty valley
the intended mechanic is for everyone to gather up for shared suffering and then split for mortal strike
so you can do that if you like, but dodging it isn't that hard in practice
mellow quartz
But even then 100% uptime is doable
in logs there are a lot more factors though as any waiting time will count towards downtime
like nome's log has 88% uptime but he only blocked 79% of hits, I have a log of 77% uptime but blocked 89% of hits
if you wipe and have to run back or stand hanging around or travelling out of combat etc your SB uptime in logs will be lower
mighty valley
doesn't really matter, if your blocked hits are high your uptime for SS dps is almost certainly good too
mellow quartz
my point was just SB uptime as a buff in logs is not a great metric in itself
naive sinew
Dang the buffs to bears seem kind of crazy
strong forum
bear can now keep up other tanks in dmg
mellow quartz
I think it will be interesting to see how the different tanks fare when things start to really hurt
heavy temple
How do I deal with attumen? I try to heroic leap shared suffering, but he recasts once he gets back to me
strong forum
he recasts it until he changes phase
heavy temple
ok, so I just run until he switches phase?
strong forum
thats 1 way to do it
but ive seen people just outright tank it
even on +32
like, the entire group
heavy temple
yeah
heavy temple
but that wont work in pugs
(in lower pugs at least, around 18-21)
Or I should say, it didnt work for me twice this week
heavy temple
no fancy soloing bullshit
Is it possible to dodge mortal strike?
heavy temple
ok thank you
so if i leap and keep running, he should despawn before he can get to me, or?
oak echo
It's not super reliable because his spell queuing can change each time. Sometimes he'll phase in the middle of recasting which is best case scenario. Sometimes hell finish the second cast and you have to dodge that one too. It also becomes much harder to dodge them all once he's below 20% because he stops going back on the horse
Warrior with banner up is enough move speed to out run every cast but you have to be on top of your shit to do it and not eat one accidentally without being prepared for it
spiral compass
is it confirmed we’re not getting 8 new dungeons for first season m+ and there doing 4 new 4 old
mellow quartz
very tight to sidestep it
believe you need in excess of 130% base movement speed to step out of it, any intervene or leap out will work but he will recast
spiral compass
terrible decision imo
mellow quartz
terrible decision imo
good decision, means all new dungeons each season
oak echo
Idk, I like that we won’t be doing the same dungeons for a year and a half
spiral compass
do it for season 2 and 3 we got 8 new dungeons brand new give them all season it’s what we wait for
strong forum
the thing i dont like is that the good dungeon loot is in s2
aka forgestorm and the tentacle trinket
mellow quartz
do it for season 2 and 3 we got 8 new dungeons brand new give them all season it...
if you do all the 8 new ones in S1 you can to replay 4 of them in S2
strong forum
and the signoll flare
spiral compass
heard people say it wasn’t confirmed yet could still change wasn’t sure but i guess they didn’t know what they were talking about
spiral compass
if you do all the 8 new ones in S1 you can to replay 4 of them in S2
@mellow quartz rather have that
lofty widget
same thing tho? just spread over 2 seasons
spiral compass
new expac are for new content it’s what we pay for
strong forum
i prefer this approach
mellow quartz
nah this is much better, 4 new and 4 old S1 and then the other 4 new and new 4 old ones S2 and then all star round in S3 with some of the best and some new new and older
strong forum
of 8 new dungeons each season
spiral compass
@strong forum that’s the dream
strong forum
no i mean
gritty swallow
That’s the reality lol
late rampart
each season will feel more fresh this way. It will be more noticeable by S2/S3
strong forum
4 df + 4 "old"
we dont have the same keys twice in a row
its 16 diff keys over 2 seasons
late rampart
no more doing the exact same 8 dungeons non stop for 2 years straight like SL was
strong forum
thats much more refreshing
late rampart
^
strong forum
than getting all DF dungeons first, and then have some removed but still some leftover in s2
thats just weird
spiral compass
it’s all preference
mellow quartz
only S1 dungeon I am not happy abt is COS
late rampart
see a lot of people complaining now. But when S2 hits and it is essentially as fresh as DF launch is going to be, I think they will quiet down. And realize the pros of this style.
strong forum
and yeah cos is also not good
mellow quartz
in S2 Brackenhide and HOI can go fuck themselves
spiral compass
i’ve done those old dungeons more than i can count im over it
strong forum
like you cant tell me with a straight face that notgood offensive isnt stale af
and ive only done the dungeon once
spiral compass
cos is trash
mellow quartz
I dont mind nokhud
gritty swallow
Bring back freehold
spiral compass
loved freehold
late rampart
ragefire chasm m+! let's goooo
summer bison
I have severely underestimated the APM you need to play this spec and I kind of love it
gritty swallow
See then the concept is good we can bring back dungeons we all enjoyed while having new “current” content with the other 4 DF dungeons
strong forum
80% of the trash you do is mandatory
and very static
and you cant spawn any of the bosses before you dont do those 3-4 mandatory packs to unlock the bosses
summer bison
IDK at least it doesn't require rogues/pots to skip the trash you wanna skip
strong forum
i dont like that at all
summer bison
except maybe at the end
strong forum
like, youre so hard locked in what you can and cant pull
mellow quartz
trash around the 2nd boss
holy shit
everything has a cast
or 5
and come in 6 packs
its like WTF
strong forum
ya its a bit wild
mellow quartz
mindcontrols
strong forum
mellow quartz
the 'dominate' cast
strong forum
mellow quartz
you can dispel it
crude notch
TIL
mellow quartz
it's not listed in MDT, so maybe they removed it
was the last pack on the right side before boss iirc
strong forum
when i did them solo they didnt MC me either
they cast dominate
but it didnt do anything
mellow quartz
I remember it from when I ran them on heroic
cause the group kept turning hostile to me
quaint compass
again, apologies for bein a noob, but is there a reason to shield block on shade of medivh? i forget if we can block spells
i guess the ss damage is nice
but idk if it's better than a revenge
lofty widget
yes 1 SB beats revenge
quaint compass
cool thanks guys c:
sand pebble
you are pressing ss anyway to generate rage and do huge st damage, why wouldnt you press sb
quaint compass
well i was thinking that since you get no defensive value, the rage could be better spent on IP or revenge for damage
but you're saying you'll get more damage out of a sb so thats good to know
sand pebble
the difference is only the damage done by having it up - you arent mitigating melee hits on the boss no
quaint compass
ye
lilac patrol
you surely will put more than 1 ss on that sb window
sand pebble
also if you run the talent where damage adds to ip - you get more value from ip by hitting harder with ss
ive had 100k+ ss crits, adding basically a full ip value
quaint compass
that is a large number
sand pebble
they arent often but all the modifyers for ss line up, it hits real hard
stiff gate
outburst shield slam feels so good lol
sand pebble
it really does, full rage bar, insane damage
i send it on cd regardless of the situation because its the 'fun' button
mellow quartz
bm hunters doing 60k ST.....
uneven mason
We dead yet folks?
sand pebble
how about we tell everyone we are dead in the water, let them, all go roll fotm meta, and we enjoy being the best we have even been going into an xpac - if the many flee from warr due to nerfs and all go play bear and we are underperforming, we might get some buffs - tier set would be a great start
mellow quartz
I hereby make a vow to never do a key with a frostmage for the whole of DF
sand pebble
was it frost nova
elder bay
Hahaha we bears know those numbers are coming back down on Tuesday
mellow quartz
played a key with 2 frost mages, everything was constantly frozen in place before it was grouped
everything was spread out all key
just facepalm
I mean one of them did 90k dps overall but still so troll
grizzled current
How do I survive medivh?
mellow quartz
you wait 2 weeks for DF and never do him again
grizzled current
I'm sitting here with the 20 key on 260 ilevel , I can aswell drop it cause I believe its not survivable
mellow quartz
just be in a group with a lot of kicks so you can afford to kick missiles
mellow quartz
remember every stack of the debuff increases the damage of the next missiles
prisma crane
mellow quartz
you can also take spell block I guess
orchid mural
Medivh: assign 3 ppl to forstbite interrupts ( can be ranged) you hold your interrupt in reserve if u mess up missiles, or if they screw up frostbite, or if a dangerous inferno bolt is going off.
mellow quartz
hmm I guess details is still bugged
48k overall dps in details vs 52k overall dps (while active) in logs
urban portal
48k overall dps in details vs 52k overall dps (while active) in logs
Are the total damage the same
Check that for discrepancies
Like, is rend doing 2.5M total in both details and logs
mellow quartz
I assume its just this old issue still showing up
you need to turn off advanced combat logging to have details be correct but if you do then you can't upload them to warcraftlogs right?
like my TC damage in logs was 1.2m more than in details
as an example so not fixed yet
its almost an 8% damage discrepancy in details to the downside in this example
warm plinth
@lusty grotto we're done until Tuesday
lofty drum
anyone having issued with Ignore pain WAs?
was working fine yday but now its fucky, wont state the amount the shield is at anymore
only duration left of current IP
lone copper
are you using the currect text input
lofty drum
i tried, reinstalling the WA i was using, getting different ones xD
no clue what that means @lone copper so probably not
but I didnt change anything myselves atleast
apperantly its currently broken it seems 🙂
so i guess ill just have to wait
limpid pawn
for higher keys lower kara - anyone have a good path
lusty grotto
<@131897531251556352> we're done until Tuesday
nice man
i had to put alt leveling on hold because God of War Ragnarok
slender blade
for higher keys lower kara - anyone have a good path
Depends on key but you can go Opera > Moroes > Hunts > Maiden don't pull stupid stuff
lusty grotto
id say depends on lust timers
more than anything
maiden last isnt really required
moroes tyrannical (and attumen if you have a lot of melee and cant just run away from the shared suff) are the more dangerous bosses
also pretty sure shattering works on maiden shield
for a nice dmg bump
you can just plan around lust and collect dreadlord stacks
it differs from group to group though
ebon gorge
<@131897531251556352> we're done until Tuesday
i was trying to scroll up to see what this is. May you provide some context? is this spec relation to class?
lusty grotto
hes leveling everything
3 (or 2 if DH, 4 if druid) characters per spec for each class
naive sinew
whats going on with bears? seems crazy
slender blade
whats going on with bears? seems crazy
i thought you might be the guy that just asked in the druid discord, suspicion confirmed
lusty grotto
i thought you might be the guy that just asked in the druid discord, suspicion c...
i mean you can just tell by his profile
it shows you discords in common and/or his server nicknames
slender blade
yea to be fair it wasn't hard to confirm this suspicion since he asked a couple minutes ago, I just forgot his name so I tabbed over and yep it wasn't exactly detective work
still on the first part of the screen when you open the bear tab
lusty grotto
idk about bears tbh
lemme ping someone that might know
apparently its a huge heal
naive sinew
yea to be fair it wasn't hard to confirm this suspicion since he asked a couple ...
is there a problem with asking multiple people? trying to be diligent before i choose my main
naive sinew
apparently its a huge heal
👍
slender blade
is there a problem with asking multiple people? trying to be diligent before i c...
No not a huge deal I just thought it was funny
lusty grotto
in:#protection bear
slender blade
nah the search bar on discord lmfao
lusty grotto
literally took me
2 seconds
now i feel filthy for helping someone that didnt make the effort
naive sinew
i already read it.. i was just asking around to see what people thought
lusty grotto
consider me confused
slender blade
same
lusty grotto
oblique garnet
Bear owns
lusty grotto
ngl those changes seem ridiculous
fast knot
Big dam
lusty grotto
you'd think blizz wouldn't wait 2 weeks before such a change but alas, its blizzard
slender blade
ngl those changes seem ridiculous
Yea for sure. It is funny the one dude said he wants to pick a main when they are changing tanks by a matter of 50% seems impossible to know what will be good more than ever, not a bad thing but balance is just seeming volatile
oblique garnet
Just play whatever you enjoy
slender blade
Just play whatever you enjoy
that is what i plan to do, i am not the guy asking about bear i just like tanking
lusty grotto
kinda makes me sad, no more making fun of fotm rerollers 😦
fast knot
what you enjoy is what you'll dedicate the time to get good at
oblique garnet
kinda makes me sad, no more making fun of fotm rerollers 😦
Nah they will be back
oblique garnet
Bear is gonna get called garbage by streamers who never press maul so what can you do
oblique garnet
Maul does dumb damage
lusty grotto
i was like, hold up, im confused
slender blade
I am really not sure which streamers have good takes or advice about tanks or tanking, so I rely on these discords more than anything
lusty grotto
the guy was getting clapped left and right on a 18 (and then 17) AA
for the record this wasnt max tanking
it was some other guy idk who he was
fast knot
I assume if they are in a top end guild and play the class regularly they'd have some understanding, yeah?
lusty grotto
well idk, like i said im not sure who he was
fast knot
I know he does some reviews with lower end guilds
lusty grotto
who?
fast knot
nvm i'm dumb, different person I'm thinking of
fast knot
gotcha
lusty grotto
they just had a weird prot warrior idk who he was
fast knot
He's played woyer enough to not make those mistakes 🙂
lusty grotto
THD was in the group of course
yeah
he was playing unholy and then his garrydragon
wait we have an emote of max
i keep forgetting
fast knot
the new 
lusty grotto
ill die on my two hander cause no matter how bad it sucks arms is forever my dps spec
so ill agree with that emoji 😄
fierce juniper
apperantly its currently broken it seems 🙂
IP WeakAura is fixed now 
https://wago.io/IgnorePainTracker
lusty grotto
a wild marok appears
lone eagle
I am really not sure which streamers have good takes or advice about tanks or ta...
Dorki is a great tank to watch
lusty grotto
👋
lusty grotto
Dorki is a great tank to watch
yeah dorki is good but max wasnt running with him
oak echo
IP WeakAura is fixed now <:peepo:631517367687577630>
https://wago.io/IgnorePain...
what a legend
oak echo
if i'm reviewing my own logs from keys, what kinds of things would i look for that would be obvious areas to improve? atm i just look at amount of melees taken without SB up and rage wasted
lusty grotto
i guess those are the 2 big issues
the rest depends if you want to improve DPSwise
like consuming outburst appropiately, and/or show of force and stuff like that
cooldown usage etc
warm plinth
i was trying to scroll up to see what this is. May you provide some context? is ...
As Nimchip hit on, I made a personal challenge to myself to get one character for every spec in the game (36 currently) to max level.
oak echo
i did a 17 ID and felt like i was playing fairly well considering where i was at not too long ago. but wouldn't mind some feedback in addition to what i'm noticing myself https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rm6J2ycv8YAGbBgn#fight=1&type=summary&source=3
most glaring things i see which is why i asked is overcapping and a little bit of improvement in banner and block
i also think i use SS way too much compared to TC. i think i'm too quick to hit it when the CD resets instead of using TC in aoe
limpid kite
SS generates more rage so defensive wise it is the right play
lusty grotto
depends
oak echo
i suppose my comment comes after looking at a log nom posted the other day where it looked like a much more even distribution
lusty grotto
if its a double or triple pull, its probably better to TC/rev
for dps only of course
especially with avatar
you're guaranteed to have TC up every other gcd with decent haste
mortal brook
Wow real llarold
Video claims bear is fun. mdi champion naowh says they are not. Who are we to believe?
lusty grotto
well i for one agree with naowh cause i swear to god bear is the most boring alt-tank ive ever played
but i guess it boils down to personal preference
oak echo
every time i think about going back to bear i just think of that video of the guy that played bear with potatoes and the evil thoughts go away
wary heath
getting huge buffs to damage I think has the perception it makes it more fun
bear does not seem fun to play to me, or the talents
lusty grotto
i dont disagree with that
more damage makes it more psychologically rewarding
but i absolutely detest bear playstyle
coming back to damage, i think they realized that and the benefits of having people be more inclined to play tank
which is good, kinda slow on their part, but good
an expansion later slow lmao
good thing they remembered bfa
and/or the glad spec times at least for us
wary heath
I think all the tanks are in a good spot. I just dont like what a bear tank does or plays like.
lusty grotto
same
bear might be a bit too strong, so we'll see if they get another balancing round
heavy glen
I mained bear during SL and had a pretty fun time
wary heath
I don't even mind the differences in tank dps. seems too in a vacuum to me, i don't think it ever makes or breaks a key or raid
as long as one isn't 1/4th the others
heavy glen
didn't exactly do world first keys, but statistically, I was top 10% of bears?
heavy glen
more of a perspective relevence? Wasn't really trying to flex....
lusty grotto
@mortal brook can you confirm the flex?
heavy glen
should read like "I played a lot of bear"
mortal brook
Bear io kinda hecked ngl
lusty grotto
xD
i mean i was #1 in my server as prot, resubbing 2 weeks after s4 started after hard quitting in s1
mortal brook
I hit like top 10 doing 2 tank keys then stopped like 4 months ago and im still in like the 40s
lusty grotto
but again there werent a lot of prot warriors before pre-patch so i dont think it means a lot
lusty grotto
yeah
heavy glen
king of the hill being an ant hill is king of the hill damnit
mortal brook
Bear very enjoyable in prepatch. Been on a pvp binge
Several reddit posts and forum complaints about me later...
lusty grotto
like i said, its personal preference
heavy glen
flex not being the point, I actually liked the UFR god-bear thrash/swipe playstyle. Pull like and idiot and pray everyone kills all the same things and do like 80k for no ungodly reason.
lusty grotto
i cant stand the playstyle
wary heath
bear tank has no class fantasy for me. i played prot pal on SL release and it was dope as hell
mortal brook
Mileage will vary
lusty grotto
personal preference
heavy glen
subjectivity being what it is, absolutely
lusty grotto
prot pally is like a 5ish for me
heavy glen
I didn't start alt tank shopping 'till like S3?
lusty grotto
monk 5 too
the only one that i consider to be close as fun as i have on prot war is vdh... and i wouldn't say its close at all
and i mean that as in, since conception (i.e. since VDHs came out), not currently
heavy glen
do we agree that viability is different than optimization? (I Know this sounds left field, but there's a point.)
lusty grotto
sure
i dont think anyone is arguing otherwise
its good that all tanks are viable
its 200% good for the game
heavy glen
I 100% agree
I wonder what the difference in overall power is from the "weakest" tank to the "strongest" tank is. Like..... are we griping about a game of inches?
mighty valley
"viable" just means different things since there's so many different ways of playing the game
heavy glen
by definition, Viable means capable of winning.
mighty valley
no tanks have been truly non-viable for most of how the game is played since, like, vanilla
mortal brook
Viable is a pretty lowball baseline tbh
heavy glen
It's a balance point.
mortal brook
Competitive and desirable are nicer points
wary heath
most people in here compare based on dps output or utility, since once you learn mitigations, there isn't anything else to push the class on
heavy glen
yes, but not everyone is competative.
mighty valley
it's the balance point blizzard cares about the most and hardcore players care about the least, lmao
well, rather, hardcore players have a warped definition of "viable" half the time
heavy glen
I would agree
mighty valley
see: the billions of players who strolled through this discord asking "is prot viable" over the past two years
wary heath
in this expansion? it could be the least in a long time
heavy glen
in S4, how big was the power gap?
mighty valley
in retrospect? it was really close in s2 imo
in s3-4, BDK was a decent chunk ahead, rest of the pack much smaller gaps
mighty valley
in s4 specifically, for every tank except bdk, yes
wary heath
player makes more of a difference in output until you compare all high end players and theoretical max's
i believe personally
mighty valley
yes, a big part of prot warrior's dumpster perception was that barely anyone knew how to play it well
lusty grotto
I wonder what the difference in overall power is from the "weakest" tank to the...
min maxing will always be a thing, its not necessarily a bad thing, but people do make a big deal out of it for stupid reasons
heavy glen
there are WAAAAAAY fewer people that get KSM than you think.
lusty grotto
yeah
wary heath
we are a sub group of a sub group of a sub group of players
some people don't even do M+, just like I don't pvp
lusty grotto
that was the topic of a conversation we had a few weeks ago
mighty valley
i don't really know what position anyone is taking or what we're really arguing
heavy glen
I don't think anyone is arguing
mighty valley
i think people whine too much about balance all the time but i'm a grumpy old man
lusty grotto
heavy glen
this is more a philisophical chat?
mighty valley
lusty grotto
its a secret handshake
wary heath
in summary, I will never play a druid tank. I think was the debate
lusty grotto
yeah same
wary heath
Fin
lusty grotto
but even more than that
mighty valley
oh yeah, if i played prot warrior for all of SL, don't think any balance state is gonna get me to shift
lusty grotto
i absolutely dislike BDK a lot more than bear
heavy glen
I didn't get BDK moving enough to get into it.
wary heath
and i won't be playing a brew this expansion because i like my HP FULL, and my shiiiield block u know wot im sayin
lusty grotto
i legit only played bdk to get mage tower appearances and never again
heavy glen
This expac, I'm going to follow the fun of FOTM chasing.
lusty grotto
ill stick to prot like i have since vanilla honestly
alt tanks... well VDH possibly
mighty valley
no one else has a rotational move that goes THUNK like shield slam
they can't win me over
lusty grotto
my druid is perma resto, my paladin is perma holy
heavy glen
ravenous frenzy/incarn
mighty valley
bear is all growls and thin ripping sounds
mighty valley
i lived the venthyr incarn bear 3 min god mode dream for a little while but it's just not my vibe
heavy glen
good times....
ANYWAY
I have a WA question if we are in the mood for something a bit more on brand here.
does anyone have a WA that draws extra attention to you overcapping rage?
I'd try and make one, but..... I only have 2 brain cells
heavy glen
I aspire to be on your level
I learned to ride a bike with training wheels
I learned to swim with floaties
wary heath
i learned without wheels
ebon geyser
ok so anyone have found fix for that bug that give u the pop up of ignore/disable?
glass void
only /reload helps unfortunately
ebon geyser
yea i was hoping something was dif, started with WA now with almost all addons
mystic sleet
hey guys, how long did it take for u to get the hidden skin for prot warri
wheat root
does anyone know what the max duration is on ignore pain?
pallid quiver
I'm
pretty sure it's whatever the duration on the spell is
Like, it just resets the duration anytime you cast it
duration doesn't stack for IP iirc like it does for SB
sand kettle
What about the talent brutal vitality? How does that interact with the duration?
blazing condor
i dont think BV extends the duration iirc