I liked SL raids*
#protection
modern brook
limpid anchor
Yea, that’s needed
crude notch
Conduit energy anyone?
strong forum
any must have covenant enjoyers for keys?
mighty valley
sanctum had painsmith, can't be F tier
mellow quartz
any must have covenant enjoyers for keys?
court of stars.....
strong forum
when no class in the game played venthyr
strong forum
court of stars.....
ya im already sick of CoS
strong forum
idk why people love it so much
oblique garnet
when no class in the game played venthyr
Holypala
mellow quartz
lets make professions mean something but also you have to play X profession for court of stars to get buffs....
strong forum
even holy pally didnt wanna play venthyr
oak echo
if you were doing high keys you just memorized the maze anyways 🤷♂️
vital sinew
Painsmith was fun to progress once, then it became an obnoxious idiot check
mellow quartz
if you were doing high keys you just memorized the maze anyways 🤷♂️
you could randomly get a maze that was 2min slower than the fastest
crude notch
if you were doing high keys you just memorized the maze anyways 🤷♂️
That didn't matter. Not all courses were the same time wise
mellow quartz
getting the right side and into dragon............
strong forum
hoa was a linear af dungeon hiding behind the mask of an "open" dungeon
80% of the entire key didnt have any possible variation
3 back to back to back bosses
invisible frontals
400 casters with 2 spells which both needed to be kicked, mandatory venthyr and curse dispell
not a good key
outer thorn
Are there any raids (or part of a raid) besides kara, zg, za that you could see return as a 5man m+ dungeon? Many of them have these huge areas to traverse that would make them impractical. I can kinda see Blackwing Descent being one, theyd have to do some work on trash placement probably though.
oak echo
the covenant requirements were very not fun in most of the dungeons that's for sure
having to pull around dos urns, gargoyles, lanterns, goliaths
🤮
outer thorn
My favorite was pets bugging in portals in Theater randomly pulling extra packs 🙂
strong forum
its hard to imagine raids as m+
until blizz tells you "yo we doing this as a mega dungeon"
quite the elaborate task
to think of
mighty valley
trial of the crusader m+ let's go
crude notch
Ruby Sanctum baby
mighty valley
(this is a joke)
crude notch
LMAO
mighty valley
dammit. missed the 2 hour timer by 3 seconds
mighty valley
and then next season there's one that's just sapph and KT
you get percent from the KT add phase
outer thorn
Firelands m+ GIGAPULL in the middle 😮
vital sinew
Firelands trash 
limpid anchor
Firelands would be fun. Everyone but the bird and the spider
mighty valley
i think basically the answer here is "yeah there's a few of them that might work but they'd have to totally rework so much that it wouldn't even really be saving effort"
crude notch
The spider on m+ sounds exactly like something Blizzard would love to have.
thick otter
Hello, can we use glyphs or do they break the spec?
crude notch
We need a M+ with Xy'mox so we can never let him actually die.
outer thorn
glyphs are just cosmetics now, anmd yes there are a few for prot war
thick otter
yeah but some classes have bugs that make glyphs affect the actual spell effects
idk why guessing it came with the new talents
strong forum
didnt hear anything about that yet
modern brook
im using the tclap and birdxecute without issue
strong forum
my glyphs on retail work just fine
modern brook
but i havent heard of anything for war
crude notch
Have not heard a single instance of that.
prisma crane
pale roost
what exactly did the change mean to shield spec?
toxic pewter
Meant nothin
prisma crane
ours was a tooltip revision
strong forum
its nothing
chilly brook
@modern brook I just secured the best name, race and class combo
prisma crane
its a tooltip update
nope
sometimes a lot of the datamined shit from wowhead isnt so much a change for the players as it is a change for the devs
modern brook
<@204081428869283843> I just secured the best name, race and class combo
Is it orc war named worcior
chilly brook
Is it orc war named worcior
chilly brook
Well think about a prominent Bobby
prisma crane
chilly brook
violet violet
anyone know if halls of valor trash getting added back in today was intentional by blizzard?
havent found any announcement for it
mellow quartz
it was added back in the other day
and its some good additions tbh
With the increase to count you were lacking in what you could pull
oak echo
i didn't catch what was going on around this time but is this because of putting SC on the gcd or something else i'm not remembering?
violet violet
yeah but th dungeon felt good imo since it wasnt tightly cluttered like it is now
pallid quiver
i didn't catch what was going on around this time but is this because of putting...
There was also Bloodsurge nerfs as well
oak echo
ohh true
lone eagle
Prot is simple to play, but when you are drowning in rage, due to the importance of rage cycling
spending quickly and properly to avoid overcapping takes some minor mechanical skill
It's mostly mashing IP and Revenge but like, you need to be doing it quickly and often once those big rage surges come in
toxic pewter
Yah I’m actually leaving prot warr because it’s just too easy to play now
lone eagle
I'd say VDH is probably more offensively nuanced
Even though Frailty ate some nerfs, making sure you're using it well for The Hunt and trinkets will be a big part of parsing on it
oak echo
it's not optimal but sure you can
just depends on how important the 20k gold is or w/e they go for now
wary heath
what professions are you guys considering in DF ?
lost seal
which guide is better? the IV one or wowhead
oak echo
my war is gonna be herb/alch in part to help my group
paper coral
It's mostly mashing IP and Revenge but like, you need to be doing it quickly and...
can you macro it to something?
urban portal
Try not to
paper coral
I haven't/wasn't planning on it, but was curious. Do you find you hjit IP or revenge more?
Also, whats rage cycling?
urban portal
Spend rage to get more rage
You should be hitting both a lot
But ip to only dump excess
lone eagle
@paper coral tl;dr due to Anger Management, Indomitable and Violent Outburst
the more you spend rage as a prot warr, the more damage you do and the tankier you are
it doesn't even necessarily matter that much what you spend it on
paper coral
Violent outburst is the thing that makes my next shield slam or tclap do a lot more damage, right?
oak echo
yes
main thing is damage is going to suffer, but like malakkar said your self healing will go down a bit too
chrome falcon
i mean that's an extremely vague question
everyone overcaps "sometimes"
but "sometimes" for you is probably like 20x more than "sometimes" for a top player
or it might not
if you're overcapping several hundred of even like over a thousand rage in a key then you're fucking up pretty bad
sand pebble
every other tank is fotm so their discords are usually dead and all info comes from top io and popular streamers
open bluff
Reminder that tuning hasn’t happened yet and a spec can theoretically feel great to play but be numerically garbage
Unlikely it’ll happen to prot, but anything is still technically possible at this point
fast knot
I dunno really how much they could bring Prot down damage wise
already behind Bdk due to having to dstance in sketch scenarios
Moreso just people being goobers and listening to random feedback from people they shouldn't listen to or just not playing the spec themselves
errant oriole
So is prot war lowest of all tank dmg or something now?
lone eagle
tank damage in st is something like Bear > Brew > VDH/BDK > Pwar/ppal imo
maybe ppal is up with BDK
so I guess yes?
But all the lower ones are pretty close together
AoE it's Brew/Bear > VDH/BDK/Pwar/Ppal
with both Brew and Bear probably being significantly ahead
in AoE
oak echo
yeah none of them are really in a bad spot damage wise right now
there has to be a 1st place and right now it's not prot 🤷♂️
fast knot
Someone just has to take the short straw
oak echo
it feels like the tuning is headed towards all the tanks being very comparable when it's all said and done
which is a hell of a lot better off than we were the last 2 seasons
sharp night
tank damage in st is something like Bear > Brew > VDH/BDK > Pwar/ppal imo
that's not accurate at all, bdk is up there with brm/bear, dh is behind
jolly inlet
I think we are in for a bdk season again
I don’t think those changes for guardian made them top tier
sharp night
all the tanks are pretty close now tbh
jolly inlet
It comes down to utility at this point
lone eagle
How big is the bloodsurge rage generation nerf?
It looks pretty hefty but
Basically doesn't matter in big pulls
oblique garnet
Cant send outbursts on tc anymore
errant oriole
Wait they nerfed blood surge rage gen? When?
oak echo
just fucking around soloing i definitely feel it on 1-3 targets
waxen cradle
where is the bloodsurge nerf documented ?
honest hazel
It's an undocumented change on beta currently.
It now generates 1 rage every 4 seconds
waxen cradle
so yeah it seems blizzard will not be happy until they knock us into either last place or damn near it
errant oriole
Wtf that's bs
waxen cradle
welcome to Blizzard where they dont give a fuck
errant oriole
Stupid bliz ><
waxen cradle
so now were second to last damage which is typical, lets see how much more damage they can do
The truly funny thing is how amazed people were that we were top damage for a while. Let's be honest it was never going to last they showed that in S1 of Shitlands
oak echo
so the bloodsurge change i was thinking of was in the prepatch blue post from yesterday . but now i'm not sure if that means that's what was already on beta and there's another nerf, or if this is it
waxen cradle
Probably another nerf
It's hilarious how people were like omg do you see how much damage Warriors are doing.... and with the very limited amount of other tanks seeing tuning we were bound to get the nerf hammer
eternal bloom
Hi everyone! Im new here. I am looking for potential information on the stat priority for protection moving into DF. Is it still going to be haste>Vers>Crit>Mastery
light quartz
The truly funny thing is how amazed people were that we were top damage for a wh...
Its the wow community, loads of people on social media complaining about Prot warrior, while giving no thought about prot warrior not being meta for a full expansion.
waxen cradle
Nobody was playing bear so this buff to them is simply a response to the community not playing them at all and talking about how bad there damage was
odd tree
so we're still tanky bois, just not as dps heavy as we were towards the start of beta
i'll take it
clear spindle
If rage gen is bad we won't be tanky bois either
waxen cradle
Yeah were still extremely tanky but if they keep nerfing our rage gen we will not be tanky
oak echo
idk about it just being a response. bear really was doing horrendous damage. maybe the buff today was overkill but it was to an extent completely warranted. they could decide to rein it in a little or maybe they really are just gonna do top end damage
waxen cradle
I can live with the damage buffs to other tanks. I am more upset by the fact that they feel to bring us in line they need to near our rage gen
especially when they just buffed bears from last in damage to absolute top damage with the biggest buff they have ever given
lone eagle
so the bloodsurge change i was thinking of was in the prepatch blue post from ye...
talent calc shows 7% atm
errant oriole
Exactly that's how you kill off prot war is rage gen
eternal bloom
im sorry @astral atlas i didnt know. didnt mean to be a bother
clear spindle
talent calc shows 7% atm
So from 15% to 7%. geez
waxen cradle
It's not surprising, Blizzard does not have any love for Prot whatsoever, there belief is anyone can be a Warrior. We are as generic a tank as they come in Blizzards view so of course us being top damage is ridiculous to the community
clear spindle
It seems like it's unironically time to roll BDK LUL
odd tree
later
wraith hemlock
if using reprisal what talent would you interchange to grab intervene?
clear spindle
I wonder if this bloodsurge change is why Nome was saying the rage gen no longer felt smooth.
waxen cradle
If I know Blizzard they will nerf us into last place and by S3 or so we will be buffed back up to the point that the community does not stupidly think we are the worst tank
Standard Blizzard logic, make the community think we are worst and slowly level us off with the rest by the end of the expac
pallid quiver
Sidearm isn't that much damage, so I don't have that point, personally
waxen cradle
Not dooming to be exact just what I have come to expect. I mean if you don't think knee jerk reactions to what the community thinks are real see the massive buff Guardian druids just got. I am not saying more changes might not come down the pipe before launch, but I would be far from surprised if Blizzard does not listen to the community and keep us at second to last or last place
That is a community bitching response to get people to stop talking about how bad Bears damage is nothing more
odd tree
i imagine we'll see continued tuning, blizz seems to be dialing everything in, just some times they're a bit heavy handed
waxen cradle
As I said the damage side I could care less about, but leave our rage gen alone. It was in a good place they do not need to fuck it up
odd tree
i'd prefer to not be where brm and bear are tho, outliers get nerfed
same way they get aura buffs
waxen cradle
I don't know BrM was the go to for most of SLands
odd tree
rage gen is f'd tho, hopefully they fix that
knotty idol
Were we an outlier before the nerfs tho? Felt like bdk and vdh were similar power and they getting buffs
clear spindle
No, everyone just thought we were an outlier. We were as tanky as BDK but with less damage. Biggest issue was party shield wall.
pallid quiver
We were an outlier before the very first set of nerfs
waxen cradle
We were not a huge outlier no, but Bear damage was horrible
odd tree
our dps nerfs were fairly small
lone eagle
Were we an outlier before the nerfs tho? Felt like bdk and vdh were similar powe...
VDH was nerfed, not buffed
waxen cradle
As I said they could buff the damage of whoever they want, and leave our rage generation alone and I could give a fuck less, but buffing others way past our damage and nerfing our rage is too much
odd tree
were the rage nerfs documented? or is this the bloodsurge change from 15 to 10%?
lone eagle
I don't know BrM was the go to for most of SLands
In raid Brew was good but VDH was the best for Nathria, Ppal was the best for Dom, BDK was the best for Sepulcher and Fated. For M+, Brew was never top
olive steeple
Do you mind linking the nerf to rage gen
waxen cradle
It was undocumented
clear spindle
Wowhead tooltip on bloodsurge says 7%
waxen cradle
They probably wanted to sneak it in
balmy canyon
I'm wondering if they are just experimenting with different options before making a final call and blue posting it
odd tree
I'm wondering if they are just experimenting with different options before makin...
would be my guess as well
idk, some of the arms buffs/nerfs were weird. just kinda throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks
balmy canyon
Not much meaning there, wowhead just rips the data from the game without much if any human interaction
waxen cradle
Unfortunately its now the weekend so I dont expect to see any change to it before next week even if it is them throwing numbers around.
balmy canyon
Thats the point, make a change, let the people doing beta keys run it through hundreds of runs, come back on Monday and look at the data
sand pebble
before we doom and gloom
waxen cradle
One thing about the buff to Bears is that is the largest single spec buff they have ever done. So if I were Bears I would be worried about the big ass bulleye Blizzard just tattooed on there back.
sand pebble
bloodsurge on 3 stargets for 5 mins still feels nice
lone eagle
Sometimes changes just get missed in patch notes
sand pebble
i think the change is geared towards running instigate in ST
lone eagle
If that was the case you'd probably buff instigate
Bloodsurge st wasn't a huge source of rage gen anyway
in AoE it was bonkers though
waxen cradle
Instigate is a shit talent and beyond stupid to ever run in place of Bloodsurge so if that is the case they had better buff it to compensate
waxen cradle
If they buff Instigate to make me want to run it sure but as it is now why would you
Unless you have no choice and that's not a choice
sand pebble
in st 10% devistate damage is still nice but you ran bloodsurge for the added rage gen, ill go 5 mins on a st dummy and test it
waxen cradle
You really want to go back to mind numbingly spamming devastate ? Sorry I do not
fast knot
Devastator is the 10% on that talent
Can you even really go down the tree without taking it?
waxen cradle
Yes you dont currently have to spec Instigate
fast knot
of course lol I meant to not take Devastator, I'm a big dumb idiot that can't convey thoughts into words
You'd have to take the dogshit Throw talent or UF to go down
waxen cradle
Anyway maybe they will walk the rage gen nerf back a bit because that is just ridiculous. Rage gen was fine... yes it was a bit bonkers in AoE, but I can see the need to break a talents single target value, and by so break our rage gen in the process when it was smooth and steady and felt good
thin silo
what they should do is revert the ST rage nerfs they put through before they realized that it was AoE rage that was the "problem"
waxen cradle
Especially when we were not top damage anymore to begin with. They just need to walk it back and leave our rage alone
sand pebble
instigate v bloodsurge ST - 5 mins, sent everything on cd not caring about outburst procs
instigate is better in St than bloodsurge
bloodsurge is better than instigate in aoe
its a good change imo
waxen cradle
Link the build you ran ?
sand pebble
all i did was swap bloodsurge for instigate
there are also gains if you spec battering ram increasing attack speed meaning more auto devistates = more instigate rage
clear spindle
What do we give up for battering ram?
sand pebble
for ST id drop thunderlord
waxen cradle
So they are in affect forcing us into ST and AoE tuned talents. With one being good for one thing and not being good for anything else.
clear spindle
ST would feel fun if execute hadn't been nerfed into the ground
waxen cradle
I thought they said they were moving away from cookie cutter builds with this talent system. What happened to that ?
sand pebble
nothing cookie cutter about it
waxen cradle
If Instigate will always be better rage gen in ST over Bloodsurge, then why would you ever pick a talent that is sub optimal in ST ?
sand pebble
either talent is viable now depending on what content you are doing
what was shit before is bloodsurge win in every situation, meaning cookie cutter
clear spindle
IMO they should have buffed instigate instead of nerfing bloodsurge. Rage starvation is the worst feeling
waxen cradle
I have already tried it out on the beta and I do not like the feeling of beta right now where you feel like you rage gen is broken compared to how smooth it felt before.
sand pebble
in ther many years ive played warrior, i can legit tell you our rage gen pre this nerf was the broken part about it
you say smooth - i say you could press everything and still not spend the amount gained
waxen cradle
They is a very fine line between smooth and not rage starved. It means they are basically adding artificial difficulty to the class again by making you worry about where you rage goes. Yes it adds skill, but it's artificial skill because its tuned to make it harder for people not familiar or veterans of the class to manage
sand pebble
rage management isnt atrificially difficulty - you are supposed to spend it accordengly
waxen cradle
It will drive players away from the class and create again the community perception of Warrior tanks are bad even if its not true
sand pebble
and the point being - as gear progression increases youy will see more rage incoming
if you are already uncapped in 390 gear, whats 500ilvl going to feel like with haste levels similiar to now
thin silo
the "you start out weak but it's ok because you scale with gear" argument is dogshit because they always nerf us when our gearing means we threaten to overtake the other tanks, anyways
waxen cradle
So as I said much much earlier tonight, early in the expansion we will be perceived as a weaker tank, and much later in the expac we will slowly grow again to the point of the community realizing how stupid they were
But by the time people realize Warriors are in fact and have always been able to do anything any other tank can.... the damage will have been done.
sand pebble
how about, play pwar anyway
clear spindle
I'll play, but that doesn't mean other people will want to play with me in group content.
waxen cradle
Oh make no mistake I intend to... I am a Prot Warrior veteran, BUT don't think that the community won't pick whatever the top guilds are running first... because the fact is they will. So it will mean to prove them wrong we will have play flawlessly to match what the streamers and higher end guilds tell them is best.
sand pebble
ill say something else that you wont agree with
even now after TC was nerfed - it hits harder empowered than ss does
so those nerfs were warrented
shield slam v avatar + outburst tc
in st
oh with demo shout buff also
or ss crit damage is broken
waxen cradle
It may be sad, but the fact unless you really love a class, and enjoy it through and through as I do... a veritable shitload of people will always gravitate towards what is easy... because that same shitload of people want to take the easy road and not work harder if they don't have to. Call it lazy, call it gullible, uninformed.... whatever.... people will almost always do what will net them the greatest reward for the least effort.
quaint compass
is there a link to spell reflectable stuff in s4? i can find it in pins
hopefully im not blind
fast knot
quaint compass
tysm
waxen cradle
That might sound cynical of me and it probably is, but consider I have been in management for near 20 years and watched people do that very thing in real life. So yes I do expect it from people in a video game.
clear spindle
How does TC compare to Revenge in single target? TC benefits from UF and SoF so I can understand it being better than shield slam during the Avatar window. Shield slam has more utility in greater rage gen, CDR, and shield block extension. If SS always did more damage than TC in ST we wouldn't have any reason to run UF and SoF beyond the extra revenge damage.
waxen cradle
Are you saying our SS damage is broken now?
sand pebble
Revenge costs rage tc gens rage you camt compare them
sand pebble
Are you saying our SS damage is broken now?
Someone else needs to go test it cause when i talented instigate it looked like no bonus crit damage on ss
Ss crits with bloodsurge were 90k
But im not on beta now
waxen cradle
Because as our damage stands we are second to bottom in terms of damage as a tank now. I only ask because if they pushed us to the bottom in terms of dps I can't see why we deserve further nerfs.
As I said above Bears just got a giant bullseye painted on there backs. All that being said BrM, BDK, and VDH all also out damage us now. So whatever nerfs we deserved before I can't see us deserving to be pushed further down. That of which was my whole argument for my irritation of the rage nerf.
ocean bloom
when i have Outburst and imj just sitting there waiting for SS, is it worth it to heroic throw?
clear spindle
Revenge costs rage tc gens rage you camt compare them
I was more just curious on the numbers. My point was more aimed towards TC doing more damage in ST isn't a bad thing. It gives us five rage and applies a bleed while SS offers more rage and more utility.
sand pebble
Rage nerf warrented in aoe because it allowed infinite off gcd spamming of ip to get avatar back faster
waxen cradle
That might be the case but how did that doing anything but make us a strong tank ?
Even with Avatar coming off cd faster were still not over tuned. So how were we broken. We have always been the kings of physical damage reduction. We eat shit a fair amount when it comes to magic damage but so do other tanks. Also other tanks are more sturdy in the magic damage category and that's fine, but don't mess with what were great at.
sand pebble
I mean it brings back shield wall faster also
waxen cradle
To me it feels like they are trying to weaken us where we have always been kings and if I said it does not make me a bit mad I would be lying.
sand pebble
Ok instead of getting into a pisding contest with you, go post this feedback on state of warrior to the forums and let the devs know how you feel
They might listen to you
Doom and gloom! Is warrior going to be the number 1 tank so far infront of other tanks no one has a xhoice to play them? No
Is this the best pwar has ever been going into an xpac? Yes
Can it still do content? Yes
Can it still do it well compared to other tanks? Yes
Do you now have an option to take something other than bloodsurge depending on the content you are doing? Yes
waxen cradle
Also after how much they bent us over a barrel in terms of rage gen in Shitlands, until they band aided us with Reprisal... the rage gen improvements thus far felt good. We will see what rattles down the pipe, but over nerfing is a thing I would rather not have to go through 2 seasons to see a band aid slapped on us again. I will remain hopeful and see what happens.
sand pebble
Forget slands
waxen cradle
And as a final note where did I ever say I wanted us to be #1 ? I said above nerf us to bottom damage, and leave our rage gen alone and I am good with it. Don't mess with what makes us strong is all I am asking of them.
sand pebble
Its not over nerfed
Go run a key on beta
The only thing that changed is infinite rage gen and having to think maybe i should hold this ignore pain 1 global
Oh and dont press execute
clear spindle
If only we had enough rage to spend on the iconic ability that gets it's own quest in Exile's reach LUL
sand pebble
You have rage for it
clear spindle
But is it worth it?
sand pebble
It just doesnt hit very hard lol
clear spindle
Exactly LUL
sand pebble
Well look at it this way
You can spend 40 rage on ip and get nothing but cdr
Or
Yiu can press execute, tickle to mob a little, and get the same cdr
Press revenge to keep tier bonus
waxen cradle
They just made another change
mighty valley
Making execute boring is probably the only change I’m actually mad about
mortal brook
Hello @oblique garnet i see the beta has slight changes for the spec. Probably hasnt been enough time to check those changes and the patch wont go live for 3 weeks, and the [item, talent, tier, tooltip, ability tuning, loadout, encounter] might not be testable yet but can i get immediate and urgent updates on how this will surely shift my talent, playstyle, and meta choices? Also please include how i should feel as well. TY in advance
mortal brook
executed, i see
sand pebble
Well execute is maybe viable to press
oblique garnet
Idk probably not play barbaric training anymore
sand pebble
They just buffed it by 15%
waxen cradle
Also apparently BSV ignores LoS now. Maybe a tooltip update I am unsure if it already did
ocean bloom
when i have Outburst and imj just sitting there waiting for SS, is it worth it to heroic throw?
clear spindle
the wording of -15 to 0 doesn't make it feel like a buff LUL
lean oxide
What means tô ignore Los ? You can los yourself ?
waxen cradle
Good question lol
sand pebble
Possibly hot related
waxen cradle
Just read what it says
dark lark
When looking at this aura change on execute, is it effectively +15% from it's current state on beta?
Since it's -15 before?
waxen cradle
Not sure how to read the execute buff -15 0%
sand pebble
Yes its a 15% buff
plush gate
hey, can someone help me I am very new to wow
waxen cradle
Well now we have a better excuse to hit execute just less rage to spend on it. I would guess there thought process is either choose between slapping a mob a bit harder to maybe not over cap IP, or just dump it into IP again which does feel bad to do, but its a judgement call on just how much extra rage you have after them reducing our rage gen.
mighty valley
More room to grow over the whole expansion
sand pebble
^^ this
lone eagle
It's bigger than a 15% buff relatively speaking
sinful pewter
Wonder how juggernaut stacks up to punish now on the longer fights
sand pebble
Jugg pwar
lone eagle
its technically a ~17.5% buff
waxen cradle
We will see I don't think this will bring our damage back up to the level of the tanks above us, but its something.
lone eagle
to execute
fast knot
J U G G
lone eagle
but it came after an execute nerf so we're probably like back to ~7% higher than we were a few weeks ago
for execute specifically
fast knot
Man it felt so good not having it on the bar
lone eagle
I love execute
fast knot
now it goes back
lone eagle
when that button lights up I'm mashin
waxen cradle
Though it does create Jugg/Punish competition now possibly
clear spindle
I would like to see Pwar do more damage than the other tanks in execute phase but that's just me.
Execute phase being a warrior's time to shine has always been fun.
lone eagle
Yeah, as it stands currently in raid BDK does better execute than pwar does
Which is kind of fucked
sand pebble
Id love a talent choice between jugg and another that lets execute cleave after a revenge
lone eagle
Buff helped but Soulreaper still kind of giga
oak echo
i still don't think you ever not take punish unless you're parse farming
the stacking DR is too good for how often you SS in ST
waxen cradle
Now roll back Bloodsurge to 10% and I will be happy. I will die on that horse along with the horse, but we will see.
jolly inlet
Do yal enjoy your sympathy buffs
waxen cradle
As I said it feels like a attempt to make us feel less bad about the massive damage buffs to Bears, and the nerfs to our rage.
clear spindle
I'll be happy when they roll back changes to right after they got rid of party wide shield wall.
waxen cradle
a 50% buff they needed ?
odd tree
I'll be happy when they roll back changes to right after they got rid of party w...
nah, shit was too op
waxen cradle
They did not need a 50% buff. They went from last to first
sand pebble
a 50% buff they needed ?
Yes moonfire was 70% or more of their damage
odd tree
ah, you said after, my b
odd tree
Yes moonfire was 70% or more of their damage
which is hilarious
oak echo
They did not need a 50% buff. They went from last to first
it was a 20-25% buff
which yes they needed
weak escarp
Wait prot war doesn’t party wide shield wall anymore ?
odd tree
like if tough as nails did all our dmg
oak echo
they got rid of it on beta weeks ago
weak escarp
Oh
clear spindle
Wait prot war doesn’t party wide shield wall anymore ?
Nope. Got deleted out of the game entirely
odd tree
yep, was a good change
oak echo
they just never got rid of it on live
vivid orchid
waxen cradle
which is why I don't run it on retail, no use to get used to it, its gone soon anyway
lost seal
can anyone tell me what is so good about protection warrior now? doesn't feel smooth to me at all....alot of downtime with no shield block/slam/thunderclap to press
cinder storm
Revenge
sand pebble
You said slam, thats your problem
lost seal
shield slam
waxen cradle
Yeah was hoping he meant SSlam
waxen cradle
My advice is put on your big boy pants, strap on your surf board bro, and ride the wave for 3 more weeks.
odd tree
on live it's pretty hectic still
lost seal
yeh not huge, but still llike 1-2 secs of downtime here and there, nothing to press (yes including revenge)
idk what all hype about protection warrior is for
waxen cradle
Honestly I am now expecting pally's to see some buffs soon
sand pebble
If you cant press revenge you overspent rage on ip
odd tree
are you waiting on revenge procs?
cause you should just spam it
til ss and tc are off
then burn extra rage with ip before you overcap
lusty sundial
for m+ is there a general thought on where pwar is compared to some other specs?
lost seal
are you waiting on revenge procs?
maybe cuz i am testing on dummies? so less revenge procs? but is that really a big difference?
waxen cradle
They nerfed Bloodsurges rage gen so now Bloodsurge appears to not be the go to for ST anymore unless we see them roll it rage gen back in
oblique garnet
Nothing you can do when blizzard gives bear the strongest heal in the game 8))
spice cedar
Didnt expect a 2nd buff after the first one
waxen cradle
They were never going to let us start out as meta I don't think
spice cedar
The first buff was huge
oak echo
for m+ is there a general thought on where pwar is compared to some other specs?
they are very very good just not the best atm
waxen cradle
Unless I am mistaken we will start out as we always do
lusty sundial
they are very very good just not the best atm
trying to pick between pwar and brm
oak echo
if that's your pick then definitely war if you had to pick right now. but i would not be surprised to see brm get survivability buffs
odd tree
the last week has been a roller coaster for tanks, i'd hold back judgement for launch raid week
fast knot
Brm does some pretty fly damage but you're going to get your face punched in
oak echo
the tank balance is literally changing twice a day right now
forest rivet
not thrilled with 17.6% stronger executes?
fast knot
especially if you're fresh and learning the ins and outs
lusty sundial
i mean it's not like blizz would change balance so much that they would double a spec's dmg right?.... right?
ebon gorge
Warrior isnt bad at all. What streams you listening to?
cinder storm
Most streamers I've seen were just not testing pwar because it felt too broken for them
edgy bone
@waxen cradle most people don't even play s2 and s3
odd tree
think he's refering to last xpac
oak echo
not gonna lie you are the biggest doomer i've ever seen and that's comparing to most mage players. warrior is so good right now even after some of the nerfs they did. are they doing bdk damage? no. but it is still a very high tier tank
edgy bone
Majority of wow players play s1 and s4
ebon gorge
Warrior still barely takes damage in fort beta keys. It’s feels like the most complete tank atm
odd tree
not gonna lie you are the biggest doomer i've ever seen and that's comparing to ...
i think he wants meta or bust
spice cedar
I would be happy if we get banner.. But its too late
odd tree
Majority of wow players play s1 and s4
def feels that way sometimes
spice cedar
Fine with pwarr in top 3
ebon gorge
To say it’s broken in a bad way is the worst take I’ve heard
odd tree
people quit week 1 and come back last season for all the stuffs
sand pebble
Im thrilled i dont have to have 100cpm on ip between every gcd, thrilled sb still has 100% uptime with ease, thrilled i get iv, double charge, stormbolt, shockwave, shield charge stun, reduced shield wall and avatar, big damage cooldowns and now a st and a m+ choice of talents
lusty sundial
Brm does some pretty fly damage but you're going to get your face punched in
yea that's my only concern atm w/ playing brm. rotationally its pretty fun to play but then again so is pwar
clear spindle
not thrilled with 17.6% stronger executes?
It should never have dropped below 0% to begin with. Execute is the iconic warrior spell. It has it's own quest in Exile's Reach for goodness sake.
fast knot
@lusty sundial just know that you're going to need a pretty solid healer assuming you make pushes early, they need a fair bit of babysitting
even the good Brms on Beta were getting absolutely cooked
waxen cradle
Don't put words in my mouth I have already stated many times I could give a crap less about meta or otherwise so don't put words in my mouth.
fast knot
plus dps that actually help you out and you know, kick things
oak echo
nah but you're saying they're bad or going to get nerfed into the ground but they are still probably the best all around tank right now except maybe bdk
odd tree
plus dps that actually help you out and you know, kick things
well with the m+ changes for casting mobs they will need to kick
more mobs are random casters now then during SLands
spice cedar
There ia still time to buffs and nerfs for other classes
oak echo
bear does more damage but gets knocked around outside incarn. warrior just literally doesn't take damage unless you mismanage rage
odd tree
so the tank won't get brutalized by 5 wicked bolts
spice cedar
bear does more damage but gets knocked around outside incarn. warrior just lite...
With the recent change i dont think they gona struggle
waxen cradle
I never once said Warriors were bad. Check again what I said. I said that community perceptions get seriously mixed up and unlike people who know better people tend to believe what they are told instead of what they discover when it comes to a game
odd tree
sry @waxen cradle, you just seem to be doomin a bit in some of your posts. no offense meant. and i will say any rage gen nerf at this point will tank the spec.
honestly the class
arms sucks with low rage
s1 slands was rough at times
ebon gorge
Could check but you deleted your post which is funny to hold your ground and delete the message
😝
waxen cradle
That is perception against facts. And yes they get mixed up. I literally had a guy I know who was just talking about how much he wanted to play Prot Warrior, and I will be damned if he is not jumping ship now =.= I told him what a idiot he was for it, but there is perception against fact as I said. Is he stupid yep... can I change his mind nope.
mellow quartz
Pwar feels fine rage wise. Was it better before? Sure. Is it terrible now? No. Will get even better when they fix BV so your IP’s will last longer.
waxen cradle
True I misspoke, I thought about it and took back my statement
spice cedar
So about the ignore line of sight.. What does it mean?
foggy ocean
Execute aura buff??? 👀
odd tree
maybe cuz i am testing on dummies? so less revenge procs? but is that really a b...
i mean, probably not, but also yes? alot of the warrior hype is about class design. There is crazy synergy with all of our talents. we were also doing crazy dps during the early portion of the beta, and if you manage sb uptime correctly you are immortal. or atleast we were, sounds like rage gen took a hit in beta
clear spindle
When do Jake and Nome wake up? I need them to tell me how I really feel about the nerfs 
jaunty canopy
does anyone have an ignore pain weak aura that is doesnt cause a bunch of errors right now? 😮
spice cedar
And was it below 25%?
waxen cradle
Maybe the LoS thing on BSV has something to do with heals who knows..... hell if I know
mellow quartz
So about the ignore line of sight.. What does it mean?
Probably that it can now proc when the mob hitting you is out of LOS
waxen cradle
Yeah that may be it
odd tree
So about the ignore line of sight.. What does it mean?
i think that was something to fix a minor bug
like maybe the ability wouldn't proc if you were out of line of sight
mellow quartz
The tooltip said 30% the whole time but seems like the code was set to 25% and they fixed it now.
mellow quartz
When do Jake and Nome wake up? I need them to tell me how I really feel about th...
Search for their comment during today in this channel?
mellow quartz
It’s hotfixes
mellow quartz
It’s a release candidate now so no more builds. It will all be hotfixes.
lost seal
aight jesus christ, how does anyone play this lol, i am constantly waiting for CDs
mellow quartz
CDs for what?
clear spindle
Search for their comment during today in this channel?
I don't think Nome or Jake commented on Bloodsurger being 7% instead of the 10% that was listed in the wowhead nerfs.
lost seal
CDs for what?
Shield block, shield slam, and TC
ebon gorge
aight jesus christ, how does anyone play this lol, i am constantly waiting for C...
Are you only doing target dummies?
lost seal
Are you only doing target dummies?
ya
ebon gorge
That’s why
lost seal
???
odd tree
do aoe dummies give rage?
ebon gorge
It’s much more fluid when taking damage
waxen cradle
It maybe applies to heals that go out during the affect
mellow quartz
I don't think Nome or Jake commented on Bloodsurger being 7% instead of the 10% ...
Where do you see it being 7%?
odd tree
like they don't attack
ebon gorge
To spam rev and cycle through abilities
lost seal
It’s much more fluid when taking damage
how so? shield slam and tc cooldown changes?
ebon gorge
No but your also getting much less rage to use rev
quaint compass
taking damage generates rage
ebon gorge
Which also reduces CD for avatar and demo
The class feels slow on a target dummy
In m+ it’s VERY different
mellow quartz
Link it. Don’t see that.
waxen cradle
The 7% thing is on the updated Talent Calculator and on Wowhead
odd tree
rage spent adds to outburst
outburst increases dmg
quaint compass
hey guys are these any good in m+
any advisors, not to be pushy
mellow quartz
I post abt datamined stuff that says 7% afaik
mellow quartz
That is just the talent calc
That is a tooltip on their talent calc
Have seen no actual data mine saying that
The datamined stuff said 15 down to 10%
clear spindle
Typoing 10 as 7 is a pretty serious mishap LUL
odd tree
depends on icd and how large the pull is
clear spindle
BigDan did some light testing and it looked that way in single target
oak echo
hey guys are these any good in m+
use them if you have nothing higher ilvl. but secondaries are better if ilvl is equal
waxen cradle
I can't say for certain if its a tooltip error, but I know that it had been nerfed to 10% before, and Nome was talking earlier about how much lower our rage gen was from it now
oak echo
in fact i think converting them to tier is pretty good stat wise.
summer bison
Am I just supposed to be cycling between revenge and thunderclap during avatar?
also what should I do during single target avatar
This is all with unstoppable force
mellow quartz
SS > TC > revenge
If you have a huge pull and plenty of rage you can TC and revenge
summer bison
OK so is shield slam just in there for rage generation? Assuming rage isn't an issue when does revenge become better than SS?
quaint compass
ty botato
waxen cradle
All I could find about what Nome said is that on pull rage gen felt really slow or sluggish, and something about using Shield Charge on pull to not get globalled but I have no idea if that was in reference to the bloodsurge rage gen nerf or if that reflects a 7% chance
I don't know the context of what any of those statements applied to
mellow quartz
His comment there is abt SC being on the GCD and not affected by bloodsurge
waxen cradle
Ah ok had no idea what it applied to
Maybe he can test it out when he logs on and confirm one way or the other if the 7% tooltip listing is correct or not
mellow quartz
his rage gen in general will suffer some given he plays with 5 tanks so he gets hit less often than anyone else would tanking so generates less rage that way
waxen cradle
Still I am sure he will be able to confirm if that is a tooltip error or a actual thing
mellow quartz
just go run a key and see how much rage was generated from bloodsurge vs your dot procs and calculate the %
will have a variance though so you would need multiple for sample size
waxen cradle
A tooltip error of 10% or 7% would be a pretty big datamining error, but people can make mistakes.
mellow quartz
blizzard officially said it was 10% yesterday so if its less they probably just fucked up
would expect it to get fixed if thats the case
waxen cradle
I probably will later today. Its very late for me here, but yeah I likely will check for myself later
Still about 3 weeks till launch and a month until raids so who knows what might shake loose.
mellow quartz
there has been tank changes multiple times a day for the last few days
its a long way to go
waxen cradle
Do devs work over the weekend ? I doubt we will see much over the weekend. I would guess Monday unless they work from home.
mellow quartz
Nope
paper garden
not unless it's really crunch time for finalizing a project.
waxen cradle
Of course I never thought they would have it ready by the 28th, but they surprised the shit out of me with how much they already had done.
mellow quartz
🤷♂️
waxen cradle
I would gather by mid SLands they were at least 40% or more into development to swing the release date in November, but that is my guess
maybe a fair bit more
mellow quartz
We just guessing now or do you have anything to base those assumptions on?
waxen cradle
Probably 60% or more now that I think about it
oak echo
pretty sure it's bear right now. bdk and brew are right up there but idk which one is actually "highest"
DF was in development before SL even released. that's how development cycles work on long projects
sick sentinel
Guys which tank is the "tankier" atm?
mellow quartz
Insert X
waxen cradle
I feel like BrM gets trucked but that's me
sick sentinel
kekw poor monk
oak echo
who cares it'll change by monday afternoon after they review m+ feedback and performance lol
waxen cradle
great damage but gets trucked
sick sentinel
who cares it'll change by monday afternoon after they review m+ feedback and per...
yeah i don't know the fuck i'm gonna play xD
mellow quartz
Can’t get an accurate picture of tankiness with the keys being played tbh.
To low.
sick sentinel
war seems fucking unkillable till a Magic shot one tap u
oak echo
even that's not gonna happen through perma IP
mellow quartz
Nothing magical one shots you other than exhumed spirit thingies before 2nd boss in Shadowmoon who do like 300k shadow damage on a 15 fort
sick sentinel
300K 
mellow quartz
It’s a really slow cast not meant to go off so very punishing.
We have abt 400k hp at 392 ilvl
waxen cradle
I will be going with... 1. What I enjoy most... and on down the line from there. I will play more than one tank, but number one will be based on that
sand pebble
Did i really just read you guys are doom and gloomimg on arms bloogsurge tuning
Whete did you get the prot talent tree that says arms in it
Wowhead still shows 15% for both specs, there isnt a % in beta on the tooltip
waxen cradle
One person asked who felt tankier amongst the different tanks, but that's a very tough call. So when they said they don't know what they are going to play I threw in there the old reliable of play what you enjoy the most.
mellow quartz
It’s not really a typo wowhead just has the incorrect specs tooltip listed.
And blizzard said it was 10% 24hours ago
peak bramble
what da heck I missed bear buffs? quick I need @slim zinc to update his ms paint bars to tell me what to think
mortal brook
peak bramble
Why is that not an actual dreamgrove emote
ebon geyser
Anyone know how to fix the annoying bug that when u go into edit mode Weak Aura gets disable or can't open
sand pebble
Currently hit ignore not disable then reload ui after done
Its not just weak autas that spacks out when entering edit mode, most of my addons do it
mortal brook
bet. my tomtom tried to kill me earlier
ebon geyser
Currently hit ignore not disable then reload ui after done
Ty
fallen flint
Im back in to my protectionwarrior as of the talenttrees revamp..
But im having issues .. before the revamp, i would use devastate as a part of my rotation .. but now its 'built' in , and im just wondering , is protection warrior only using revenge and shieldslam as offensive rotation or what do we use as a filler since we dont have cleave, what do we use ?
pallid quiver
"Filler"
I have tons of questions, and I'm not sure specifically what you're asking. In fact, before talent trees, we still didn't have room for devastate in the rotation
so there's something along the lines of "Something's gone wrong" in terms of how you're pressing buttons, either from not being max level or what
fallen flint
"Filler"
I have tons of questions, and I'm not sure specifically what you're as...
Oh My bad , we turn it like that . I havnt played protection in all of the SL .. so i might be back in protection to where devastate added sunder armor or something like that ..
I do understand that revenge is a strong offensive ability , and shieldslam is a strong offensive ability aswell .. but do we use any other offensive ability more then SS Rev TC ? Or its mostly sitting around hitting 3 buttons and chaining defensive abilitys ?
pallid quiver
Well, for an idea as to what's going on with Prot Warrior, we have Unstoppable Force generally now, which makes it so we can press Thunder Clap every other GCD and makes it do some big boy damage.
So there's physically not room to press much other than Shield Slam, Revenge, and Thunder Clap. We did use to also use Execute, but with its nerfs (I think it may have gotten nudged back or something since I last checked I dunno I haven't kept up), it's difficult to make that actually be more damage than just using Revenge. We do, however, have a few other offensive abilities we'll be pressing at level 70, since we can reliably fit in Shield Charge and Ravager
Devastate gets moved to acting passively due to the Devastator talent, which is an auto-pick since we're so constrained for GCDs as Prot
storm shell
Can someone explain “protection warrior buffs” from latest wowhead post?
mighty valley
Execute had a -15% nerf that has been removed
I think?
I don't know hard to parse the datamining
It reads like BSV has been changed to trigger at 30% hp instead of 25% but it's 30% on live already
storm shell
buffs btw
lone eagle
tldr execute got a 17.5% buff from what it was doing currently on beta
glacial pike
Does Battle-Scarred Veteran work like Will of the Necropolis where it mitigates the damage that sets you below 30%?
fallen flint
Well, for an idea as to what's going on with Prot Warrior, we have Unstoppable F...
Thank you so much for the detailed information . Then we can skip the other offensive aibiltys such as WW and other ragespending stuff , and just focus on those 3 abilitys and rotate my defensive abilitys aswell 👌 had a try in the early of nathria on my warrior but it was just me spamming the IP to sustain damage . Now it seems more like the 'old' warrior wich ive always have played since vanilla
ebon geyser
bet. my tomtom tried to kill me earlier
u saw bear is getting buff
mortal brook
Good buff
ebon geyser
theres hope then , now druid is not just cat ,tree and chicken LOL
mortal brook
Bear def looking like one of the very tanks going into dragonflight now
Top 6 for sure
mortal brook
Enjoyed yourself?
ebon geyser
more than i though
i even play dps on him
and was 6th in lfr lol
not a big tool to compare but
bear is also one tank i have never played, the angle of the camera is not my style,
mortal brook
Valid
ebon geyser
i just wish i could send the renown catch up from NA to EU
fallen flint
i decided to mess around last nite with DH...
Got my DH tank thru all of SL , currently at 297ilvl , and its just so enjoyable to play . The kite-playstyle , selfheal and dmg is ju funz.. its more like beeing a tankrogue or something 😂👍
ebon geyser
reminds me of rogue tank in rift
i would take him to SL stuff but is gonna take me ages
i cant even fly
on any toon lol
pale roost
pain and gain talent stacks with the conduit that heals us on hits ? dont remember the name of it 😛
devout pewter
good morning guys. what does this mean for us?
devout pewter
but it is not inconvenient to use execute since the set has a refresh only with revenge?
jagged pier
And should be usable in st again
i mean still unuseable as u need to keep revenging for tier
limpid anchor
Well if it’s up and you have rage to spend, execute is an option
sand pebble
Well if it’s up and you have rage to spend, execute is an option
its kinda more like - if you have tierset up, are capped on ip, have excess rage to spend, press execute to avoid capping rage
and only in st
outer thorn
its kinda more like - if you have tierset up, are capped on ip, have excess rage...
I like to think of where you spend your rage as "what glass fills up first?"
pale roost
what is the best hord race as prot =)?
crude notch
The one you like best.
jagged pier
vulpera if u care enough
outer thorn
am I crazy thinking zandalari being able to choose +5% movespeed as racial is absolutely wild?
i hecking love move speed
outer thorn
Embrace the GONK
pale roost
i ended up chosing a mag'har orc 😛
do any of you play with into the fray in keys is it worth taking over the other talent?
fallen flint
i ended up chosing a mag'har orc 😛
I went for orc aswell . Due to the visual of massive shoulders , on a fairly buffed toon, not compared to a big cow since i cant stand how the cow looks like its walking like a sloth.. and i like the animation of attacks on orc 👌 this means i have my orc Hunter , and my orc DK , and my orc Wlock .. mainly for looks of big ass shoulders
jagged pier
do any of you play with into the fray in keys is it worth taking over the other ...
no
pale roost
I see that we both think alike 😛
strong forum
you can only get away with ITF in retail cuz we have absurd haste levels in keys
but generally HR is the safer play
@mellow quartz all the keys i did yesterday i didnt have weapon enchant on on beta
oops
heavy temple
on something like ruby life pools first boss, do I even use shield block?
strong forum
she still melees or
and you wanna use SB to increase your SS damage
its your single biggest st dmg spell, you kinda wanna empower that by 30%
orchid mural
but generally HR is the safer play
can't u comfortably keep SB 100% up just with Enduring Defenses in beta currently?
icy citrus
i mean still unuseable as u need to keep revenging for tier
so we dont execute at all now?
strong forum
can't u comfortably keep SB 100% up just with Enduring Defenses in beta currentl...
no
even with 45% haste + ED + Bulwark you only have 90% SB uptime
jagged pier
so we dont execute at all now?
u dont really have the rage
as u need to press revenge
icy citrus
it could join rend, slam and ww group then ❌
mellow quartz
<@380184494910603275> all the keys i did yesterday i didnt have weapon enchant o...
remembering things on beta is hard!
uncut notch
mellow quartz
You get 2% leech from the bracers and boots enchant combined.
mellow quartz
I had 10 now 12
strong forum
i have 17 🙂
strong forum
mellow quartz
What was it called?
strong forum
writ of leech
mellow quartz
Sounds abt right but why did I only get 140 from it. Will have to check later.
fringe patrol
do we use ww as prot now?
jagged pier
no
fringe patrol
so we take seismic for the revenge dam
jagged pier
yes
timid beacon
Seems crazy to me that going into DF were only really going to be using 3-4 offensive abilities in our rotation. Granted makes it a lot easier for bar & keybind management as I just keep throwing stuff to more restrictive key binds where I’ll very rarely use
crude notch
How many core rotational offensive abilities were you using in SL?
That's a weird one.
strong forum
With keybind management pwar is on the harder side of things
You have like 45 keybinds
paper coral
So, I have a super generic question. I just ran a LFR and the other tank (a vdh) and some DPS were catching me pretty hard in threat./ the other tank wasn't THAT much higher gear level, like 10 more. Could I be doing something wrong? I'm keeping shield slam, revenge and tclap down as often as I can. But like on pull they are basically miles ahead.
open gazelle
I haven’t checked the profession side of things for DF. Does each profession get enchants/crafts that are soul bound to themselves. Also which professions look the tastiest for tanking?
paper coral
You have like 45 keybinds
yeah but how many of them are core?
I have..e verything bound and I think the only things i'mmissing are slam, whirlwind and intim shout
cobalt seal
So, I have a super generic question. I just ran a LFR and the other tank (a vdh)...
Likely yes
10 ilvl shouldnt be enough to rip aggro
lofty widget
if you lose aggro to dps chances are you doing something pretty wrong
but no way to tell without logs
cobalt seal
Melee shouldnt be 2nd
paper coral
What should be?
strong forum
yeah but how many of them are core?
38
paper coral
This was... Jailers eye, so a litle weird and he had aggro most of the time.
cobalt seal
Whats your ilvl exactly
paper coral
The Nine was weird because the unholy DK went blood and basically solo tanked it, but the whole LFR instance felt weird.
at the time it was 246. His , Atraveus, he siad it was 260
paper coral
I've never had issues before this place, it's always been pretty even.
paper coral
paper coral
crap.
strong forum
The breakdown itself looks okayish
But 2k dps is too little
Just because I have 60ilvl more shouldn't mean that I do 8 times your dps ykno
strong forum
Should always sit in battle stance
Pre-patch doesn't require any usage of d-stance
Until maybe like 30/31s
Maybe higher
paper coral
I use D stance as a cooldown
if the raid took a bunch of damage I switch so i require a little less healing until raid is back up
ok i think he lie
thats not 260
I defo fucked up
but thats not 260
fallen flint
Do you always play in battlestance as tank in m+ or you just hang in defensivestance ?
strong forum
B-stance almost exclusively
D-stance occasionally if dmg intake is high, otherwise swap back to b-stance
round kelp
kinda new to war ... do u ever use slam? or is it bait
blazing condor
round kelp
so revenge is the only offensive spender ?
cobalt seal
Show the buff uptime window
median tulip
so revenge is the only offensive spender ?
Execute, sometimes
paper coral
Show the buff uptime window
paper coral
Eye fight has a lot of movement? I dunno. I do better on fights where I can keep hitting something
its not GREAT, but its better
er, you said avatrar
not banner
paper coral
I guess it should be higher
lofty widget
SB is like your main mitigation tool
lofty widget
looks like youre just over-pressing IP and dont have any rage to revenge with
paper coral
ive been mostly using rage on revenge and IP. i'll reprioritize
thick wedge
Needs more banner
cobalt seal
Keep shield block up
thick wedge
Does SB work on eye or the mob auto attacks?
lofty widget
not on eye but its still 30 % SS dam
thick wedge
True dat
thick wedge
Solution: more angry
cobalt seal
Prob a few more things also
paper coral
ok. I did painsmith. SB 40% uptime
better? lol I didn't keep it up wehn I wasn't tanking
cobalt seal
better? lol I didn't keep it up wehn I wasn't tanking
What part
Of
Its ss dmg
You didnt understand
paper coral
so i should be using rage for SB 100% f the time pretty much?
strong forum
whenever you can attack something, yes
fallen flint
There is a talent wich adds extra absorb to IP when you are doing dmg . So you can maintain IP with dmgabilitys once you got it up and running
strong forum
that talent is bugged but uh, thats 1 way of it
but youll have to press IP regardless just to get rid of excess rage
you dont want to overcap rage
not pressing IP to burn rage is a great way to lose dps
fallen flint
but youll have to press IP regardless just to get rid of excess rage
Ofcourse , but there is a chance u get to throw another Exe instead of dumping on ip
mellow quartz
@strong forum Bloodsurge is supposed to proc off rend, deep wounds and TR bleeds right? Is there 3 chances when a target has all 3 on them? Looked at some logs and the proc rate seems below 10% now.
mellow quartz
It shows the arms one as the tooltip in the talent calc
The blue post specifically said 10% so they might have fucked it up.
sacred flare
<@192743144276623360> Bloodsurge is supposed to proc off rend, deep wounds and T...
I would also think there is some sort of ICD on it also right
mellow quartz
Shouldn’t be afaik
edgy bone
It should never have dropped below 0% to begin with. Execute is the iconic warri...
I agree with this, execute should be by far our most legendary spell. If not then they should nerf chaos bolts and combustion to be trash
paper coral
dumb question, do we get rage when we block?
stable valve
nom I want to race change from Kul Tiran to dwarf or DI for the aesthetic but idk which one to pick 😦
cobalt seal
Roll a dice
sacred flare
Why do they say Kul Tiran is the best alliance tank?
strong forum
Nobody says that
sacred flare
wow head says that
strong forum
No way
sacred flare
Kul Tiran - The best Alliance tank race. Absolutely worth playing unless you really don't want to be thicc.
strong forum
Yeah that uh
sacred flare
Also says it on the dk one
strong forum
@viral arch what is this blasphemy
viral arch
Wait what
sacred flare
I want to push really high end content next expasion and want to have the best advantages
viral arch
It absolutely does not say that on the blood one
strong forum
Dwarf
viral arch
I want to push really high end content next expasion and want to have the best a...
Go dwarf
strong forum
Is by far your best option
sacred flare
dark or nomal
viral arch
Imagine situationally removing mechanics
strong forum
Normal
viral arch
VS "oh slightly less damage taken"
sacred flare
It absolutely does not say that on the blood one
Sorry you are fight blood does not have races listed but does say it on the monk one
strong forum
Same guide writer
sacred flare
Kultiran might be better if brush off was not crap
sacred flare
out of 4 mil damage i took i think it healed like 44k
viral arch
Sorry you are fight blood does not have races listed but does say it on the monk...
Monk and warrior are written by llarold
I'll give him shit on the next review
wind oak
poor guy he maybe didnt update it in like 4 seasons
cobalt seal
poor guy he maybe didnt update it in like 4 seasons
The quote is still wrong
strong forum
Kultiran was never worth
viral arch
poor guy he maybe didnt update it in like 4 seasons
It was one of the things to update this cycle
strong forum
Since their release
strong forum
Imagine having a wog for free
wind oak
we see some formatting for text
uneven mason
Why the hell are they still having lllarrdold write anything but BRM guides
Heck even brm is too complicated now
paper coral
@cobalt seal @strong forum @lofty widget ok. i get it now. I focused on basically just pressing revenge, SB and shield slam. a lot better that time. lol Obviously I pressed more, but i watched my uptime really hard and didn't hit other things like a monkey.
Kel'thuzad
cobalt seal
Avatar uptime?
paper coral
2m.
so, low.
Was learning the fight too, had never done it before
20%
uh. 9 min fight, 1.5min cd
lofty widget
are you not running anger management?
paper coral
Oh, i am.
paper coral
gotcha
lofty widget
assuming youre not overcapping rage
cobalt seal
Cds should be used on cd
strong forum
you also want to have banner up for 100%
paper coral
yeah, SB counts for that. I'm just not spending rage, or I dont haver age. I want to see where it's going
paper coral
Oh ffs. I didn't have advanced logging on
sorry guys
wait should I not be using seismic reverb?
ocean bloom
but mote padding D:
paper coral
i mean the legendary. but yeah
ocean bloom
oh i thought it was just the talent lol
sage sail
Hello, guild need my prot to raid wednsday. Any specific talent tree for raid or same as M+?
strong forum
Hello, guild need my prot to raid wednsday. Any specific talent tree for raid or...
pins
sage sail
Oh no I became that guy that don’t check the pins 😂 thx for reminder
paper coral
I bet shield charge is fun af
strong forum
it was more fun when it was off-gcd
stable valve
yeah I went kul-tiran for the think grandaddy vibes in the reading glasses
but I don't like how most of my warrior tmog you can still see their neck if you wear a helmet
also, is regular dwarf not overkill w/ the 10% less physical dmg on use?
for a pwar anyways
unless you're trying to be essentially immune to melees lol
strong forum
cuz regular dwarf has 2% crit dmg
stable valve
ah ok
stable valve
didn't realize they had more crit dam. was just thinking about the primary stat when you use your cleanse
good to know you don't have to be tied to a defensive for dam
plus dwarf has better customization
but those di weps are sweet
stable valve
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah?
solemn hamlet
Ye doesnt work like the armor
stable valve
welp, time to finish leveling my DI lol
wind oak
oh right i forgot to finish it too
thx for the remiinder
is korrak revenge still good to lvl up fast ?
strong forum
can only q at max level
wind oak
i can on my lvl 38
mellow quartz
when you are on beta and have a wipe and one of the dps goes 'oh we wont time this now' and leaves
its beta......
da fuq
strong forum
need that beta io
topaz leaf
when you are on beta and have a wipe and one of the dps goes 'oh we wont time th...
Imagine doing m+ in beta. 
mellow quartz
imagine playing live SL atm instead of beta
vital sinew
imagination is for the weak
wind oak
imagine playing
agile elbow
Imagine imagining
wind oak
topaz leaf
imagine playing live SL atm instead of beta
I'm waiting for the actual beta in a few weeks. 
zenith monolith
@strong forum come tank some keys for me
strong forum
sure
proud patrol
are you guys able to solo shared suffering on 26/27?
i've only played brew up until now and i was able to cancel every cast
slow token
Was that more prot nerfs ?