yell at me if no one wants to answer buttttt how is blood playing atm? a mix of season 3 and 2? i hated tier with blood
#protection
wild hemlock
cobalt seal
you should always press SS
wild hemlock
really enjoyed blood before tier
strong forum
yell at me if no one wants to answer buttttt how is blood playing atm? a mix of ...
S2 bdk with alot more dmg
jovial wedge
https://www.twitch.tv/nomeratur/v/1639668663?sr=a&t=139s
Thank you!
oak echo
maybe i'm confused but i thought i had been reading that you only really TC on something like 6+ targets outside avatar and 4+ in avatar other than to refresh rend and when you don't have SS available and won't overcap . was i misunderstanding or is that something that only happens in prepatch? or possibly only an outbust thing
strong forum
And you always sit in dnd
wild hemlock
S2 bdk with alot more dmg
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
strong forum
maybe i'm confused but i thought i had been reading that you only really TC on s...
That's outburst TC
oak echo
i felt like i had been hella undercasting TC so that makes sense
oak echo
so outside of outburst decision making it's just slam all the buttons every time they're up and don't overcap rage
jovial wedge
https://www.twitch.tv/nomeratur/v/1639668663?sr=a&t=139s
ok, so I do that initial pull exactly the same. Got the two packs, and use every single CD: Avatar > DS > SC > TR > Ravager and I don't do more than 80k. You are doing almost 200k!
only difference I see is that I've been testing in a +10 instead of +15
woven trellis
Have you tried to equip a 1 hand
For real tho this is a huge diff
I want to know what a the reason
jovial wedge
me too...
jovial wedge
no
minor helm
but more than double the dmg?
Ur thinking in shadowlands consumables
strong forum
Frost Phial granted you like 7% dmg
cobalt seal
It doesnt double
wild hemlock
Nom are you streaming this weekend? id like to watch
cobalt seal
But 15-25%
strong forum
It's not double but well around 30%
mellow quartz
Hmm maybe I should enchant my gear on beta then
strong forum
Ye I'll stream tonight
strong forum
Hmm maybe I should enchant my gear on beta then
wild hemlock
waht time ishhh?
cobalt seal
We likely gonna do some keys
strong forum
In like 2-3 hrs
cobalt seal
Maybe 9
strong forum
I'm still at work
mellow quartz
<:greensloth:766650223098855504>
Just used glacial fury and food
cobalt seal
Since some people are slacking at work til christmas
strong forum
MASSIVE
mellow quartz
But then I have to do professions
strong forum
40% uptime on 1.1k Str
mellow quartz
The time….
mellow quartz
AH on beta lulz
strong forum
How do you think I got mine
mellow quartz
Maybe I can get a work order
limpid anchor
its full with shit
mellow quartz
And get a GM to make one
cobalt seal
15m is too much
mellow quartz
Guess I will do so when I get home.
Haven’t looked into them yet, which ones we wanna use?
limpid anchor
Isn’t it crafting with blues today?
pvp as well
strong forum
Sophic is mainstat proc
strong forum
Ye
mellow quartz
Any other good enchants or just weapon?
strong forum
That thing is busted af
mellow quartz
That’s the weapon effect right?
cobalt seal
since they are so good
strong forum
Also the name of the weapon
mellow quartz
-I am using that one.
maiden osprey
Can a Prot warrior solo old content? Wanted to do Ahn’quiraj
strong forum
Lol
Sir you can solo mythic antorus
Ahnquiraj you dont even need to press buttons
Tough as nails will kill everything by itself
hazy bronze
Mayhaps means in classic?
hazy bronze
🤷
maiden osprey
Why would you solo old raids in classique
Idk, I never played wow before but I’ve bought every book
Just wanted to see C’thun and the ruins
broken crater
Sir you can solo mythic antorus
have you tried since prepatch?
strong forum
You can solo every content until bfa content
strong forum
have you tried since prepatch?
Yes
The only reason why I can't progress is the plant boss thingy
broken crater
🤔 i couldnt get past freya or whatevs her name was but i also cba relearning the pattern
maiden osprey
You can solo every content until bfa content
Ohh, cool I thought it would be super hard
strong forum
Ya Freya is bullshit
strong forum
Ohh, cool I thought it would be super hard
Nop, you get a huge dmg buff
cobalt seal
look at this guys
agile pumice
eonar?
broken crater
eonar, yes 😅
strong forum
Ya
strong forum
Bro the boss died
Without any mobs being up
Literally 0
And boss just did the suicide cast
broken crater
had a fel hunter looking at them in a weird way
agile pumice
yeah i just did mythic eonar 4 times with a friend for the skip
strong forum
Idk what to do on that boss besides jump around and kill everything
broken crater
being fast enough is the key really
brittle owl
i mean
broken crater
and good dps
agile pumice
that + you gotta go on the ship and click 4 crystals
brittle owl
eonar even when live was just jump around kill things
broken crater
and knowing the spawn pattern ofc
strong forum
Ah
brittle owl
spawn patterns
strong forum
I didn't go onto ship
brittle owl
look at this nerd
strong forum
Didn't know you had to do that
jovial wedge
can't do it 😦
mellow quartz
How much do you pull?
jovial wedge
2 sometimes 3 packs
radiant magnet
pull more, make the healer sweat
cobalt seal
can't do it 😦
where log
jovial wedge
I have 18% haste
mellow quartz
At the tree boss you can now do all 3 packs plus 1 patrol of bees at once.
After the bee nerf
jovial wedge
I can't seem to find more in the beta
strong forum
Yeah 18-21% is basically cap
cobalt seal
I have 18% haste
just post a log if you have it
strong forum
Unless you grind for haste gear
sick sentinel
If your Healer isn't bitching, you aren't pulling enough
jovial wedge
been using that, yeah
mellow quartz
There is a haste trinket with a large str proc also
Dunno if it’s actually good though
cobalt seal
if you want to find what you can do better, enable combat log, upload a log
and post it here
outer thorn
you need to enable advanced logging in game, or have an addon that enables it automatically
drifting fable
@jovial wedge
ocean bloom
whats the PPM of forgestorm do we know it?
sick sentinel
Going to try out prot for the first time, are whirlwind and slam 2 abilities that I can just keep off my bars?
lime urchin
Yes
oak echo
and rend
sick sentinel
isn't rend used with the talent that spreads it?
oak echo
tclap applies and spreads
sick sentinel
ohh that's nice
jovial wedge
<@329080210345558017>
Thank you!
silent anchor
i see alot of people talking about outburst stacks, do you track them then?
strong forum
you very much should, yes
silent anchor
so what do you use it on then
dark lark
shield slam
strong forum
most of the time on shield slam
dark lark
generates a ton of rage
jovial wedge
ok, here's a partial log: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/f9agqVypRk1T2xKB#boss=-3&difficulty=0&type=damage-done&source=2
again 35k overall dmg
dark lark
@strong forum the talent doesn't proc on avatar correct? unlike the sfo tier set?
jovial wedge
what am I doing wrong?
silent anchor
ah so you get more rage and damage from using SS than TC
so its worth holding buttons till ss when on 8 stacks?
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> the talent doesn't proc on avatar correct? unlike the sfo ...
yes
strong forum
again 35k overall dmg
your cpm is just low my guy
youre not pressing enough buttons
where is ignore pain??
youre barely pressing ignore pain
:notlikethis:
30% of your rage is going into thin air
thats 0 value
this is how it should look like
no wonder you dont deal dmg with TC
if you overcap 30% of your rage
and thus suffer hugely on outburst stack generation and avatar uptime
pale roost
as prot is 16k overall low as damage?
strong forum
depends which key
if its workshop and upper kara, not bad
if its lower kara, junkyard, gambit
yeah pretty bad
silent anchor
i just got a WA to track stacks, sometimes consumes at 7 :/
vernal vale
20+k is not hard with blood and thunder, seismic in most situations
vernal vale
i just got a WA to track stacks, sometimes consumes at 7 :/
Known bug
silent anchor
oh, so it sometimes consumes early? annoying
also i get no where near that kinda dps in keys lol but ive not long started playing warr
verbal ledge
vernal vale
Thunderclap consumes at 7 stacks doesn't give you outburst effect
pale roost
did 16k in grimrail 22 as latests. dont remember what my latest gambit was,
vernal vale
Bug that you have to play around or just accept that it happens
strong forum
16k in grimrail isnt the best
silent anchor
right ok yeah if u hold TC at 7 then it goes to 8 and u can ss
kinda fuckikng annoying
silent anchor
ill need to log and get your advice then, since i dont think ive broke like 14k dps.
strong forum
ive decoupled my seeing red tracker in bar form from my UI, so if anybody wants a fancy SeeingRed/Outburst tracker you can use this
https://wago.io/qPuHZCbrN
vernal vale
I might have to use it since I hate wasting outbursts.
jovial wedge
your cpm is just low my guy
CPM? I only press ignore pain defensively. If I’m camping rage I would use Revenge
strong forum
nah thats bad
casts per minute
aka, you dont press enough buttons
youre losing DPS because you dont press enough ignore pain
jovial wedge
Wow I was sure I was using every GDC
silent anchor
IP is off GCD
jovial wedge
How is ignore pain incrementing my dps?
woven trellis
whats the fastest way to get gold on beta
vernal vale
CPM? I only press ignore pain defensively. If I’m camping rage I would use Reven...
Casts should look more like this
vernal vale
How is ignore pain incrementing my dps?
Anger management giving you abilities back faster
strong forum
you didnt avatar before cooldowns
jovial wedge
On the openers but after that on CD
strong forum
why
jovial wedge
You said that earlier?
strong forum
You said that earlier?
why didnt you use avatar on your very first pull
vernal vale
Heavy repercussions makes shield block a joke
strong forum
nvm you did
but anyhow
youre not pressing enough ignore pain
youre literally overcapping rage
wasting it
not reducing avatars CD
jovial wedge
gotcha
strong forum
not getting more Outburst procs
if youre at 60+ rage
send 1 IP
regardless of whats happening
jovial wedge
got it, will try these changes and get another log 🙂 thanks for the tips!
vernal vale
Send ignore pain like it's going out of style
jovial wedge
Haha ok
vernal vale
If your playing properly you'll generate so much rage you'll have to slap it like crazy
jovial wedge
haha yeah no IP
strong forum
like i sent 4 IP
in 5 seconds
because of how much rage im getting
through CDs and Bloodsurge
woven trellis
how do you actually get the enchant on your weapon now
its like 5 million gold at the auction house
strong forum
have an enchanter alt
jovial wedge
maybe the automatic generation of IP from the tier set was making me lazy too
ocean bloom
we arnt pressing IP becuase it shields us, we press it cuz we cant spend rage lol
minor helm
Think of IP as nothing but a spend rage button
vernal vale
strong forum
i sent 28 avatars in 10 minutes
vernal vale
Another example of opener
strong forum
you only sent 22 avatars in 24 minutes
limpid pawn
Yo why is upper kara so ass
oak echo
it also gives you outburst stacks much faster which = infinity more damage
jovial wedge
that sounds interesting
vernal vale
so spending the rage essentially makes Avatar come off CD sooner, right?
And shield wall
ocean bloom
it wouldnt hurt to read the talents you pick 🙂
vernal vale
I cast it for my party now with the wall legendary and double charge on it since we have it even though it goes away after prepatch
oak echo
i think it actually goes away on tuesday on live
vernal vale
i think it actually goes away on tuesday on live
Oh well, then I just go back to show of force and do more damage
vernal vale
Which tanked my overall but my healer did 7k overall because he didn't need to heal
limpid pawn
nome can you link your raider io
strong forum
im not that hard to find
vernal vale
only 20k
I know I'm pitiful compared to you lol
I tell guildies I'm pitiful and they don't believe me
I think so, our next run he went assassination and slapped pretty good
strong forum
gna do some now
vernal vale
Or maybe it was subtlety
limpid pawn
this is you
upper kara 27 😮
i think i need some help man, upper kara medivh has been a problem
limpid pawn
well, i have 2x group shield wall and shout
oak echo
only thing you can really do there is make sure you're not kicking casts targeted on you
agile elbow
Still a healer problem
vernal vale
I did a multi tank run with my alt and some guildy alts
Druid was a pug
Was a silly run
wary heath
Are you guys binding avatar to like TR, Revenge, TC, ravager? Or pressing it manually
sturdy sable
Why would i ever bind a cooldown to a rotational ability
Sounds like a great way to waste a cooldown
vernal vale
Are you guys binding avatar to like TR, Revenge, TC, ravager? Or pressing it man...
On its own button
mellow quartz
@strong forum 650 str weapon enchant better than 1300 haste one?
wary heath
Thx
chrome falcon
Thx
you could bind them to stuff like that but you're gonna end up casting it when you don 't want to
just press the button yourself it's not that hard
i don't know how to say that without seeming rude but
yeah
silent anchor
@strong forum why dont you use booming voice
vernal vale
less dmg than focused vigor
Hmm, guess I'll make that change just to slap harder
mellow quartz
yes
spend 4min on the dummies and 0 procs, works for you? the sophic one
nvm just procced
lofty widget
Are we gonna end up on the bottom at this point
chrome falcon
i'm reading that correctly right
lofty widget
Yeah
chrome falcon
i'm not mad
fast knot
Lmfao
oak echo
year of the bear
vivid orchid
what in the fuck just happened lmao
oak echo
this post aged well
fast knot
You either get Enhanced or Guardianed on the adjustment scale it seems
chrome falcon
also they just take another 6% less damage now
yeah ok blizzard
whatever man
fine by me honestly i want to enjoy bear again
fast knot
My cotank can keep his main now, all the better
Less people to show how to play pwar now 
vivid orchid
so um, how bad was bear damage anyway
frosty holly
I'm a bit confused about aura 1 and 2 both saying 50%
toxic pewter
wtf has blizzard lost their minds? moonfire now reduces damage taken by 10%?
chrome falcon
in fairness their damage is PRETTY horrific
but 50% might just slingshot them way up
oak echo
might
radiant magnet
just means the FOTM krew migrates to bear
toxic pewter
I find it strange 5 tanks can be immortal but brew has to beg a healer not to ignore them lmao
radiant magnet
woot
toxic pewter
I get brew gets good damage but im sure theyll get nerfed a bit even
vivid orchid
i'd prefer to trade some damage for self-healing on brew tbh
just to have some self sustain
mighty valley
if they're still actively tweaking i don't mind this approach, just blast them to the top and then tune the right things down again
little more worried if it ends up being "50% buff. lock it, ship it, welcome to dragonflight"
vivid orchid
that is probably what it is
toxic pewter
yah that druid 50% buff... i wont lie I do not recall ever seeing such a high aura buff like that
vivid orchid
I don't see them addressing the issues the bear tree has so they are just hamfisting numbers to make it good enough
noble spindle
jesus
urban bane
yeah with a number like 50% you can imagine the dev just throwing all their carefully created reports in the air and just full send down middle
noble spindle
bear just got a ultra buff
jagged jay
In an AoE pull, do i use shield slam and thunder clap as generators and ignore pain as spender, and revenge on procs?
noble spindle
its the furry agenda
toxic pewter
theyre already not bad tbh.. they got incarns now every 1.5-2 min with cdr... thats a lot of damage now with this aura thats insane
plus their moonfire spams still do good damage
but now it reduces their damage taken by 10% LOL
like wat
vernal vale
In an AoE pull, do i use shield slam and thunder clap as generators and ignore p...
You should be slapping ignore pain and revenge
velvet maple
its the furry agenda
Now delete an "r" and things go in the right direction.
mighty valley
HUGE nerf to prot warrior in here too. now we have to spend some of our ammo on shield spec
deep spruce
Must be blizzard Xmas party tonight. Druid devs stayed sober while everyone else got smashed and they just got permission to do what they wanted
toxic pewter
50% aura buff is legitimately insane to me... theyre already able to pull big numbers during incarns... like over 100k good
vivid orchid
this is kindof what the breakdown looked like in pure ST before the buff
vivid orchid
and thats going fairly aggressive with the maul usage
sick sentinel
weapon model managed to break in the freaking log in screen...
vivid orchid
and then on a 3-target cleave moonfire was doing about 50% of the damage
jovial wedge
ok, I went from 33k to 38k while trying to spend as much rage as I could. How does it look like now? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jNrcXdHRKbypDG4M#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=2
vivid orchid
can I hav eone
oak echo
this is kindof what the breakdown looked like in pure ST before the buff
so like a 28%ish buff in ST. which sounds less crazy than 50 lol
mighty valley
We've heard your feedback that Sidearm is not a compelling talent for protection warriors. Replaced with: Shield Gun
sick sentinel
yes i really did do 5 dk
vivid orchid
so like a 28%ish buff in ST. which sounds less crazy than 50 lol
yep its more something like that
they can compete with the bottom now, not be way below the bottom
so you can say they are usable lol
sick sentinel
same mog as the undead, just different sword/mace each time
mighty valley
honestly the focus on moonfire when i'm a god damn bear bothered me already, so buffing everything else makes me happy
vernal vale
ok, I went from 33k to 38k while trying to spend as much rage as I could. How do...
Still wasting a fuckload of rage
jovial wedge
holy fuck, don't have the ability to press more buttons xD
vivid orchid
needs either the second point of overwhelming or need to hit ignore pain more
only 46 CPM so
grave crane
holy fuck, don't have the ability to press more buttons xD
Your wasting a pretty decent amount of rage so you probably need to press IP more since that is off gcd
vernal vale
@jovial wedge cpm is low still by quite a bit might change where ignore pain and revenge are bound
Clapper makes every other global TC in avatar
jovial wedge
they are the closest to my fingers, not sure what else to do
grave crane
Focus on not wasting rage and spending it really all there is to it
vernal vale
Rage management is huge. Slapping ignore pain at 60+ rage should help a lot.
grave crane
Blood surge really does make us flush with rage in aoe it’s like winning the lottery so focus on not overlapping rage and that will be a big problem solved
jovial wedge
yep, the only moment where I might no be spending the rage is while I set up the opener
grave crane
Ip is off gcd so you can literally press it whenever and you’ll spend rage
vernal vale
yep, the only moment where I might no be spending the rage is while I set up the...
Looking at where your rage is wasted you are hitting things like shield slam while near rage cap
vivid orchid
the rage waste comes up to 193 seconds of lost avatar and shield wall cdr
olive steeple
Sorry if this has already been asked. I just saw an aura change that didn’t look like a change for prot warrior
Not really sure what it means
vivid orchid
that has nothing to do with prot
median tulip
I'm not sure, but I think it's just a backend change, not a substantive change for us
drifting fable
only guardian druid got an aura buff this tuning
olive steeple
I'm not sure, but I think it's just a backend change, not a substantive change f...
Thanks
vivid orchid
they changed the aura category that the shield spec talent sits in
thats what happened
drifting fable
ah
median tulip
right
olive steeple
Oh interesting, cool I guess
drifting fable
devout pewter
only guardian druid got an aura buff this tuning
a great boost I would say ahaha
drifting fable
well they needed something so :P
vivid orchid
also the old category makes literally no sense so
median tulip
they changed the aura category that the shield spec talent sits in
It's probably something that just reduces computational loading by doing it that way for us
vivid orchid
probably just choose it from a dropdown in their editor cus it needed it
devout pewter
well they needed something so :P
sisi but that's right
vivid orchid
something to be said about having no target cap on thrash dots
smoky dock
I know how prot warrior are m+ wise but how are they raid wise? Anyone test out raiding in beta?
smoky dock
I know everyone hates to hear “meta” but shadowlands I hardly saw them in raid are they toward top tier wise?
lavish dune
noob question. Why is prot leading m+ charts i just noticed? anything changed?
smoky dock
Rally cry obviously amazing
jagged pier
noob question. Why is prot leading m+ charts i just noticed? anything changed?
those are old charts
uneven mason
I think bur might be a head of warrior in damage now lol
jagged pier
https://raider.io/mythic-plus-rankings/season-sl-4-post/all/world/leaderboards-s...
ppl getting used to warrior for DF plus its really strong this season
but tbh your probs gunna be more tanks getting played now
cause of all the changes
uneven mason
Tanks ez mode
smoky dock
I will say glad bears actually got some love…
mellow quartz
didn't people dislike the playstyle and the tree?
smoky dock
Yeah mostly tree I think but I mean why fix the tree just buff their heals and dmg lol
modern brook
I, bullfango, am @strong forum s biggest fan
strong forum
proud oxide
Hello what was the prot change in wow head about
drifting fable
I'm not sure, but I think it's just a backend change, not a substantive change f...
.
modern brook
Hello what was the prot change in wow head about
I'm not sure what the question here is
pale roost
whats the best part with heirmer . extra dps?
dreamy lake
foggy osprey
What’s the general consensus of how the tuning of tanks impacted them, what’s ahead of what in m+/raid etc?
outer thorn
id say when specs get 50% buffs its still a bit early to talk about "general consensus"
clear spindle
There was a lot of fake dooming for warriors going on but it started to feel like real dooming after BDK buffs LUL
uneven mason
What’s the general consensus of how the tuning of tanks impacted them, what’s ah...
All tanks are fine, vdh and pwar are smoothbrain, bdk is op but you have to be at least able to tie your shoes, brm is hard to maximize around cooldowns but trucks hard, bur just got fucking roided in a bandaid aura buff because their dev team is too busy sniffing glue, and paladins are....fuck paladins I don't care
foggy osprey
All tanks are fine, vdh and pwar are smoothbrain, bdk is op but you have to be a...
😂 love it, thanks. One of the reason behind my question is that I don’t have much time to check in on all the changes and it’s hard to grasp if, for instance, the buff to bears makes them skyrocket to best rank of if it “just” brings them in line with the rest.
Also, why are DK op to you? They seem well balanced, in line with pwar and DH for me
foggy osprey
id say when specs get 50% buffs its still a bit early to talk about "general con...
Yeah agreed, what I meant is more what’s everybody’s opinion and is there a pattern in these opinions
uneven mason
Bdk has been op but now they're op and do alot of damage
If these buffs keep up it's going to be really stupid that they nerfed us because we will be the lowest damage tank
All it's gonna take is that aura bandaid on paladins andvwar are sitting in last
lucid bough
LMAO
uneven mason
Which to be fair if we maintain our immortality
outer thorn
Yeah agreed, what I meant is more what’s everybody’s opinion and is there a patt...
Im biased ofc but I think pwar is the one that is most fun to play right now
uneven mason
I'm okay with that
lucid bough
1 hour of bear buffs and war discord already on suicide watch
frosty holly
uneven mason
1 hour of bear buffs and war discord already on suicide watch
I'm happy with bear buff's they needed it
And bur is always my 2ndvtank
split kelp
is spell reflect more often used for reflecting spells or it’s magic defense? Is this something you cast in dungeons often?
sorry for interrupting
uneven mason
But, in contrast nerfing warriors makes no sense if they're just buffing all the other tanks up to where we were
outer thorn
@split kelp theres a doc in the pins of what you can reflect
uneven mason
sorry for interrupting
Never apologize for interrupting
Also Sr is used when you take magic damage
It's not big brain outside of a few situations "oh shit that's glowy shit" - SR
split kelp
gotcha, otherwise just use it if you’re taking magic damage and there’s nothing to reflect?
fervent dune
Value: 15
NEW Effect #2 Apply Aura: Mod Block %: Modifies Damage/Healing Done
Value: 15```
can somebody eli5 pls? what does this mean lolThey fixed a tooltip
fervent dune
They fixed a tooltip
ty
outer thorn
imagine if you had to carry a backpack full of shields that got consumed on each use of shield block
limpid anchor
how big is the bear buff now?
wind oak
50% big
limpid anchor
are ne now #5 tank :D
agile elbow
Rip
limpid anchor
cant tell if you are serious or not
strong forum
im serious
clear spindle
So the real dooming has begun then
mellow quartz
have 29% haste and it feels ok
outer thorn
back in vanilla we used to make our character sit to get crit for extra rage 🙂
placid vale
So they finally nerfed us to the point where its not so smooth?
limpid anchor
only did one quick cos and it felt fine
strong forum
youre struggling for rage to get SB up before you get smacked
you have to open with shield charge
to not get globalled on pull
placid vale
Well, they finally made it. I guess they can end the nerfs now.
placid vale
I know, but really wanted to play something else than monk. Been playing them for the last 10 years xD
And war felt like a fun option
placid vale
Legit what happens with warrior every exp start
limpid anchor
is it now the time to start crying on the forum? :D
grave crane
Oh this is actually bad lol
placid vale
They get nerfed until they become shit
agile elbow
Monk has button bloat now.
mellow quartz
did you play last weekend nome?
placid vale
Monk has bigger problems than button bloat. Namely magic stagger being shit.
chilly brook
It could always be worse
clear spindle
is it now the time to start crying on the forum? :D
Should've started with the revenge nerfs but we were too comfortable
chilly brook
We could be DH
modern brook
yeah must suck not having your major source of mitigation work on magic damage
placid vale
Well isnt dh good still?
chilly brook
Idk I’m just memeing
agile elbow
Yeah they are
chilly brook
I don’t pay attention to shit when it comes to beta
limpid anchor
dh is #2
agile elbow
Time to just go BDK
mellow quartz
I don't really feel much difference from last beta weekend to be honest
agile elbow
And be slow 5eve4
mellow quartz
the gcd is annoying but oh well
chilly brook
I just play what I find to be fun
limpid anchor
now its what, bdk > dh >= bear > pwar >= pally?
strong forum
did you play last weekend nome?
no
agile elbow
You didn't even rank monk
pallid quiver
monk not even in that list
agile elbow
Lmao
placid vale
Brm is leagues ahead but they will nerf it
limpid anchor
i forgot about monk bcs i dont play it xD
pallid quiver
hs and me on the same wave length here
strong forum
now its what, bdk > dh >= bear > pwar >= pally?
bear is probably #1 now
placid vale
BrM has so much dmg but feels so squishy...
limpid anchor
but dmg buffs alone
strong forum
bear now does more dmg than bdk even in ST
limpid anchor
doesnt help that the class feels shit no
placid vale
Wat
pallid quiver
Okay but hear me out
Arc Sys style buffing, buff top tiers, nerf bottom tiers. Brew needs a 50% aura buff, too
placid vale
Welp, not a lot of diff
placid vale
Brew needs stagger buffs like now
strong forum
sims dont work yet but id say around 34/35k
limpid anchor
in bstance or def
modern brook
Every prepatch i watch people treat these balance changes like a gospel only for things to get changed again a week before raid and everyone surprise pikachus that the thing they were abusing was brought in line
agile elbow
Brew just needs a way to deal with magic
strong forum
bstance
agile elbow
But if they do that they'll nerf the dmg
chilly brook
Every prepatch i watch people treat these balance changes like a gospel only for...
Basically
modern brook
'and then they complain about how un-alt friendly the expansion is
mellow quartz
no
it feels abt the same to be honest other than the clunkyness on pull with on gcd sc
chilly brook
actually doomed <:keks:936231610850897992>
Bear 100% gets nerfed if it’s doing that much damage
modern brook
im say this for the lurkers
strong forum
even in bstance im currently losing to vdh
modern brook
do NOT pick a main based on tunings
chilly brook
That’s legit dps damage numbers
mellow quartz
some of it is dungeon changes as well, things just hurt more
modern brook
play a class cause you like it
hazy bronze
Bear 100% gets nerfed if it’s doing that much damage
Just wait for naowh to bitch
limpid anchor
Every prepatch i watch people treat these balance changes like a gospel only for...
they change to tests and feedback. if you dont talk about changes whats the point of the forum and palytests
maiden osprey
its not like we're survival hunters after all <:keks:936231610850897992>
Lmao
modern brook
they change to tests and feedback. if you dont talk about changes whats the poin...
strong difference in supplying feedback and dooming ina discord
uneven mason
Bears are now suffering the flood of fotm, smells like unwashed paladins in there
limpid anchor
its not dooming if its reality!
plush saffron
baddies just want an OP class to play, they don't care about anything else
pallid quiver
i just want to press execute
plush saffron
press away then friend
pallid quiver
That's the only recent thing I'm actually feels bad about
clear spindle
i just want to press execute
I just want to be invited to keys as a warrior of any spec LUL
modern brook
im pressing condemn :^)
chilly brook
Of all the buttons to nerf execute
Like it already was a shadow of itself from SL
uneven mason
Didn't want to tie up our damage in execute phase
modern brook
thats the best part of warrior tho 😦
pallid quiver
clear spindle
What's the point of an execute phase without execute?
pallid quiver
We need this for every war spec
uneven mason
I mean sure if they balance us around the other 80% but they don't
uneven mason
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hMqvb8QiUk
Having been fury in Antorus it was great right up until your execute phase lasted only 15s after everyone was geared
So you were sucking dirt at the bottom still,
Horrible gameplay
Watching ilvl go up but parses across the patch plummet in percentiles because you only got a few juggernaut stacks
So yeah I agree let's have execute be meaty and be icing on the cake not a core consideration for our total damage
naive palm
was excited to play warrior then they nerfed it
mighty valley
tapping the sign that was put up earlier
limpid anchor
on what else should you base your main on
oak echo
was excited to play warrior then they nerfed it
Then you weren't excited to play it. Playstyle didn't change
mighty valley
on what else should you base your main on
vibes only
mighty valley
i enjoy the vibe of not applying to pugs
if you chase tuning you would've changed main to every tank except warrior over the course of SL
grave crane
Legit just play a class you enjoy and then you never have to worry. Pwar has been fun to play all of SL and it will be fun to play in DF cause I enjoy pwar
limpid anchor
s1 wasnt that fun tbf
mighty valley
sure it was, your team just had to know what it was doing
vernal vale
I mean I've never mained anything but warrior
Prot primarily except once or twice when I was forced to play fury based on guilds I was in.
Play what you love and you'll enjoy the game more.
modern brook
tapping the sign that was put up earlier
drifting fable
who cares about getting invited to pugs, run your own key if thats the issue
mellow quartz
who cares about getting invited to pugs, run your own key if thats the issue
a lot of people, if you don't doesn't mean other won't 🤷♂️
drifting fable
wouldnt wanna play something i dont enjoy just to get into pugs
even if its “meta”
tiny mason
The nerf is on dmg or survivability?
mellow quartz
you can still like the 'meta' tank, doesnt have to hate it just because its meta
drifting fable
sure, thats fine too. more of a response to “what should i base my main” off of besides tunings. base your main off fun
mellow quartz
if you enjoy pushing keys and dont hate the meta tank specifically then you can get a lot of enjoyment by playing what is meta as you will get invited to keys more often
oblique garnet
People will always invite tanks
mellow quartz
you get a lot more whispers for 'keys?' when you are meta though
but mainly for pushing keys obviously
if all tanks end up being very close then it matters a lot less
but we will see how the season turns out
hard vessel
No people will not invite tanks when they are the worst in their perception as soon as you reach decent keys
orchid mural
meh, just make your own group anyways 😉
mellow quartz
you wont find many people willing to do 27-30's with a bear druid before prepatch for example 🙂
solid sun
Yes, you can and will be invited to do what you're capable of as any tank
hard vessel
No that is complete bullshit
solid sun
It isn't, but go off.
mellow quartz
just curious whats the highest key you have done last season?
to put that statement in perspective
hard vessel
Me?
mellow quartz
@solid sun
solid sun
My highest was a 22, got all my portals. Because that's all I was good enough to do.
mellow quartz
all abt expectations I guess with these discussions
sure in that key range who cares who the tank is
hard vessel
Ye 22 low enough for people not to care at all
solid sun
If I started playing bdk as opposed to prot paladin, I wouldn't have magically started doing 30s
hard vessel
I swear you would be doing 27s with no brain then
solid sun
No, I wouldn't have.
hard vessel
Trust me I tried it
solid sun
Bdk isn't so much better than prot paladin that I jump 5 or more key levels just by existing as a bdk.
oblique garnet
Kinda was
limpid ruin
Is s4 it kinda was
hard vessel
It was like double as good in s3 and s4
oblique garnet
But not at that key range
limpid ruin
And 3
hard vessel
And you also needed only 1 button spam
limpid ruin
Tbf that was the worst tank balance had been in awhile
limpid anchor
Compare vdh and pwar in s1 shadowlands
I played war and I wouldn’t invite it to push higher keys kek
hard vessel
This difference was way smaller than bdk VS any other tank
limpid anchor
Didn’t play s3 :/
oblique garnet
Player skill > class choice
drifting fable
^
mellow quartz
s4 everyone had gavel right away due to tokens, big help for bdk as well
limpid anchor
Anyway, if a tank is shit, pugging is difficult
mellow quartz
s3 a lot less people had it
limpid anchor
If you don’t have a static group to run with, it’s just not gonna be fun
No matter this much you enjoy the tank
clear spindle
^
oblique garnet
Reached warriors limit by just pugging at 28s
Would have been alot easier to push with steady group but cba
mellow quartz
just because something can be done does not mean it's not a worse experience than otherwise 🙂
solid sun
But it's still not the same as, "you can't do this thing."
mellow quartz
don't think anyone said you can't do something
limpid anchor
You can’t win the mdi
oblique garnet
I mean yeah you actually had to play the game vs bdk where you turn brain off doesnt matter what you do and you wont die
mellow quartz
people say its harder to pug
oblique garnet
Yeah but if you are talking about pugging it always has limit
limpid anchor
Even with a static it has limits
oblique garnet
Ofc
drifting fable
all classes have a limit
limpid anchor
At one point it’s a troll to play a bad class compred to other people in the party who play meta
open gazelle
I can’t remember last season but this season for me is a 31 streets
drifting fable
and some are def more than others
mellow quartz
pugging at the highest levels can still be done its just more of a mix, I had plenty of times where you had a few people on your friends list on and tried LFG 1 or 2 people for 27-30s
drifting fable
most of those limits are well past the point anyone would recommend pugging
oblique garnet
^
oblique garnet
At one point it’s a troll to play a bad class compred to other people in the par...
Yeah when you are doing the absolutely highest levels of keys sure
In the end most people play games for fun
mellow quartz
its more fun getting invites than not 🙂
solid sun
And you will be invited :)
open gazelle
Until you get to 30s you can pretty much play whatever the duck you want as long as you pump and do mechanics
limpid anchor
I would say even at lower keys. If bdk does like 30% more damage than war for example, it’s gonna help even in a 20. is it needed? Definitely not. Will pugs go with extra free damage? Yep
brittle owl
hello, it's not the comp that prevents you, it's 9/10 times a skill issue (:
limpid anchor
Yes ofc you can, but from a pugging experience, the reality is different
drifting fable
your degree of invites is purely subjective and has other factors such as your io, gear score, and the other tanks in queue as well
mellow quartz
Until you get to 30s you can pretty much play whatever the duck you want as long...
if you take out JY then no bear timed a 30 key in S4
sterile bough
bear is not a tank
oblique garnet
Theres like 3 bears playing
sterile bough
its a more tanky dps
brittle owl
also why would you pug high keys
lofty widget
cause everyone was playing dk?
mellow quartz
he said play whatever you want lol
brittle owl
unless it's like a masochistic project or smth
sterile bough
playing w/e u want I can assure u wont ahve fun form the game
mellow quartz
also why would you pug high keys
cause you like to push keys and you dont always have friends online?
open gazelle
A good bear could still in the past time a 30 if they were invited with all mega good dps
brittle owl
cause you like to push keys and you dont always have friends online?
ez fix, new friends!
open gazelle
They just weren’t invited is the issue
drifting fable
run your own key?
limpid anchor
A good bear could still in the past time a 30 if they were invited with all mega...
So you need meta people to carry you. Great
That’s fun
mellow quartz
They just weren’t invited is the issue
sure thats the issue
oblique garnet
On jy? Not really
sterile bough
run your own key?
thats the worst possible thing u can do if u want to enjoy the game
oblique garnet
To time a JY all you need is to have one
drifting fable
why is that lmao
oak echo
Yeah but those people won't invite a bear if they see a dk in queue unless they're like legit 20 ilvls behind
jolly inlet
Holy fuck those guardian buffs I was napping and woke up to that
limpid anchor
Jy is as much as a joke as blizzards tuning
mellow quartz
JY is not a real key
brittle owl
bfa is happening again in here
strong forum
yeah bear got buffed by like 45% overall from yesterday to today
mellow quartz
we talking s4 bear
fast knot
A new day a new class gets put into the sky
limpid anchor
That’s not the point tho
mellow quartz
wasnt moonfire still 30% of their damage but the buffs specifically excluded moonfire?
strong forum
yes
limpid anchor
Moonfire is more legendary related no?
strong forum
but they got rage of the sleeper buffed
fast knot
Maul was reasonably close if you were aggressive on rage consumption
strong forum
if you exclude rage of the sleeper buff, its a ~30% buff
and yeah
wildfire does more overhealing now
than a healer does total healing in a key
fast knot
fast knot
Like the goddess wills
strong forum
limpid anchor
still a month for them to tune stuff
edgy bone
I thought paladin was the only ppl with aura
drifting fable
haha nice
strong forum
every single class in the game has auras
edgy bone
What do you mean
drifting fable
i know youre not joking but that was pretty funny
limpid anchor
Pwar had the aura auf not getting invited
strong forum
"auras" arent buffs on your character
mellow quartz
if you dont know what an aura is then you shouldn't read datamined stuff 🙂
edgy bone
I never see prot warrior aura on top right with my buffs
mellow quartz
stick to blue posts
strong forum
auras are hidden multipliers so blizz only has to tune those
edgy bone
"auras" arent buffs on your character
What are they then
mellow quartz
behind the scenes stuff that makes your character go
edgy bone
Like (guardian druid)1.5
edgy bone
Now the entire spec does 50% more dmg
mellow quartz
you can safely ignore it
mellow quartz
2 weeks ago shaman got a 25% aura nerf
edgy bone
Wow
mellow quartz
all abilities were reduced by 25%
cobalt seal
if you exclude rage of the sleeper buff, its a ~30% buff
it's around 20-25%
edgy bone
That seems like cheese
mellow quartz
thats another nerf
edgy bone
(warrior rage gen)0.75
mellow quartz
the other day
edgy bone
And nerfed all abilities that generate rage by 25%
strong forum
not quite
mellow quartz
....
strong forum
they individually nerfed specific talents
oak echo
Well the rage generation is because of specific changes they made to certain abilities
strong forum
not the aura
oak echo
They have the power to do either type of change
edgy bone
Do they ever aura buff an entire class or usually just one spec of the class
mellow quartz
you can change the aura or you can change specific abilities, they have a lot of things to tune
strong forum
not on IP no
edgy bone
Ok so aura buff and nerf are the best and most feared kind of changes
strong forum
you press IP to prevent overcapping rage
oak echo
You don't care about the IP buff. It'll be almost 100 just from dumping rage as needed
strong forum
and before mechanics
edgy bone
We are hoping for big aura buff on our spec but fearing an aura nerf
strong forum
by playing optimally youll naturally have very high uptime
clear spindle
I think of auras as "master volume." I can adjust sfx, dialogue, etc all separately or just fiddle with the master volume to adjust them all at once.
strong forum
^
edgy bone
@clear spindle good analogy
@strong forum so this means all the insta damage got buffed by 50% AND the dot damage, for all these abilities
That's HUGE
oak echo
That's how bad bear was
oblique garnet
mellow quartz
its the largest aura buff in wow history
Also beta history?
oblique garnet
Yeah
mellow quartz
Mean any beta
oblique garnet
Yes
strong forum
when i said wow history
mellow quartz
Of wow expansions
oblique garnet
🙏 its just intern mistakenly hearing 50 instead of 15
clear spindle
Where does warrior sit on the damage rankings if we are in dstance?
strong forum
5th
oblique garnet
Dstance
toxic pewter
Had a feeling it was the largest aura buff of all time. I literally didn’t recall anything that high ever occurring
strong forum
only tank that does less dmg than pwar now is pally
edgy bone
How does bear rank for AoE
modern brook
and that does include alphas and beta
strong forum
hard to tell initially
toxic pewter
Bear aoe is no joke if I say so
They’re stronger than most have even been saying
Incarn now at 1.5 - 2 min cd
mellow quartz
All these numbers should be taken with a huge grain of salt tbh.
mighty valley
is it technically an aura buff if it misses things like moonfire, or am I ignorant of how bear work
modern brook
too bad its bear and boring af still
strong forum
is it technically an aura buff if it misses things like moonfire, or am I ignora...
yes
an aura doesnt mean just "everything"
its a group of spells
modern brook
is it technically an aura buff if it misses things like moonfire, or am I ignora...
it a buff you get for being in Guardian druid spec
thats what makes it an aura
mellow quartz
The datamined stuff also specifically says the auras name
mighty valley
got it got it
strong forum
All these numbers should be taken with a huge grain of salt tbh.
also yes, this is a kneejerk reaction of tanks not having had any tuning
besides pwar
things'll trickle down
mighty valley
honestly glad they're closing the gap between actual bear moves and moonfire to start with
although what do i care, i'm not playing bear any time soon
strong forum
theres a month until release
strong forum
and then blizz said they'll do more frequent and smaller balance changes
clear spindle
My biggest is they adjusted our damage down in preparation for removing the 10% damage loss while in dstance
strong forum
so sky and floor is the limit
limpid anchor
and then blizz said they'll do more frequent and smaller balance changes
Didn’t they say that for every expansion tho
strong forum
nah
clear spindle
^
mellow quartz
50% nerfs and buffs are on the table 🙂
limpid anchor
And looking at shadowlands, with no changes idk
modern brook
^
limpid anchor
Did we? I can’t remember much from s1
strong forum
blizz never stated that theyll try a diff balance approach
limpid anchor
Only changes I remember we’re between seasons
strong forum
like theyve said for DF
limpid anchor
I see
clear spindle
Joking aside I do remember fury warrior getting multiple 5% aura buffs in season 1 of shadowlands
strong forum
they always waited for X.5 patches
to do numbers
in DF that will supposedly not be the case
mighty valley
the global tank threat buff was before 9.0.5 iirc
mellow quartz
I'll press x for doubt until I see it
strong forum
well ofc
blizz' history with promises isnt exactly rosy
or delivering what they promise
so uh yeah
never happy, always sceptical
mellow quartz
9.1 and thereafter was good stuff though
so they are on the right track
with overall game design
tuning not so much
strong forum
cuz they were literally bullied into it
mighty valley
reprisal change was our biggest buff by far, came in 9.0.5
strong forum
blizz tried so hard
limpid anchor
9.1 and thereafter was good stuff though
Is that why bdk was so busted for 2 seasons
mellow quartz
Is that why bdk was so busted for 2 seasons
as I said, not for tuning
limpid anchor
as I said, not for tuning
Posted before I read the rest :<
mellow quartz
well he never did say he would pull it
clear spindle
I member. It was something like two weeks to change covenants in early shadowlands.
mellow quartz
easier to say 'we dont have one' than 'we dont want to '
oak echo
tbf in SL they did at least get a lot better with dungeon tuning outside of patches when stuff was like egregiously mistuned. but yeah class balance is the next step
oblique garnet
SL was bad expansion that became playable s3/s4
crude notch
What are we complaining about now
mellow quartz
literally every other day
oak echo
SL became perfectly fine the moment 9.1.5 dropped imho
mellow quartz
SLs dungeons just sucked
mellow quartz
and I only do keys
limpid anchor
Mists was good
mellow quartz
no
oblique garnet
No
mellow quartz
fuck first boss and rando maze
limpid anchor
:<
crude notch
Oh SL dungeons, yeah they sucked.
strong forum
mists was the best dungeon in SL
modern brook
mists was not good
strong forum
doesnt say much
modern brook
thats like saying Maw in legion was good
strong forum
but it was the best one
crude notch
Mists was horrible.
mellow quartz
last boss in mist with the slow aura was so much fun...
limpid anchor
But I like the s4 dungeons way more than any sl dung tbf
strong forum
i cant wait to get rid of SL
mighty valley
idk, sepulcher slapped, nathria slapped, sanctum had high highs and low lows. also don't hate SL dungeons nearly as much as a lot of people here
crude notch
When RNG maze can literally define your key at a certain level it's a dog shit dungeon.
oblique garnet
idk, sepulcher slapped, nathria slapped, sanctum had high highs and low lows. al...
Yeah raids were the only good thing about sl
mellow quartz
say what you want abt their 4 new and 4 old dungeons in DF, but I am a huge fan of switching things up every patch
oblique garnet
Every single system was ass m+ was bad
vital sinew
Season 1 was too long, sanctum was a turd, didn't stick around for spec
modern brook
YEah ok i change my statement