protection

[lofty widget]

Theres no banner

[blazing condor]

🤔

[strong forum]

You might uh, re-think

[blazing condor]

oh yeah

[rich lake]

Agree but it sure was fun

[blazing condor]

wait

lol

i will go now

[strong forum]

The only cov we keep is spear

But you won't play spear

[blazing condor]

for some reason i thought banner was tied to talents or some shit

man

ive been gone for too long

[brittle owl]

stupid dog

[lofty widget]

And condemn animation

[strong forum]

You're one of very few with that

[brittle owl]

https://tenor.com/view/courage-the-cowardly-dog-courage-eustace-bagge-eustace-stupid-dog-gif-26558722

[blazing condor]

i will now watch from the shadows until ive soaked up knowledge again

[strong forum]

Pretty sure every bdk main hates what bdk has been the past 10 months

[rich lake]

I’m a DH main play Havoc and Veng equally but rolled DK last season cos guild didn’t have one

Going back to ol reliable in DF now though, mained Warrior MoP-BFA

[blazing condor]

pwarr stonks are up

Skyhold gonna be a mega-server after first season

[brittle owl]

skyhold gonna be bfa you mean?

[blazing condor]

wasnt here for 8.3

was barely here for any other patch in bfa

[brittle owl]

ye u were

just not a dog

[rich lake]

Im raiding as DPS but the fact there’s no legendary/covenant restrictions now will prob play Prot a lot more in M+

[brittle owl]

melee dps in raid

[rich lake]

I hate casting so no other choice

[brittle owl]

play tank

[rich lake]

Tank spots already taken, I have stepped in once or twice when one absent though

[ionic fern]

Out tank the tank

And get the spot.

[brittle owl]

assert dominance

[tardy lily]

i am playing kyrian since apparently banner wont be near 100% anymore afaik?

[ionic fern]

Yeah, banner is more like 200% right now.

[tardy lily]

so is it okay to cap rage for a little bit? e.g. on a good Shield Slam reset streak etc. - just keep pooling?

[ionic fern]

100% is really easy to obtain on banner right now.

So idk where you got that info.

👀

[ionic fern]

No, you never want to cap Rage.
You Ignore Pain, it's off the GCD.

[rich lake]

Oh crap I’m playing Kyrian too

When do you pop banner in M+ ? On pull?

[ionic fern]

Yes.

NL still is a lot harder to play than Kyrian/NF.

But the benefits are great.

[tardy lily]

i see okay, thanks! then basically i try to keep SB up, if i get good resets, just IP to keep from capping and then revenge as needed (pick up adds or no need for survivability or just pure dps reasons)

[ionic fern]

Yes.
Your most important goal is to keep Shield Block up when tanking.
After that is achieved you either Revenge or IP.
IP when you need a off the gcd rage dump (to prevent wasting rage).
Revenge otherwise.

[tardy lily]

aye, thanks!

[blazing condor]

perma SB and banner is not hard to achieve right now

so its a good time to play pwarr and practice

get the rotation in

[torn ginkgo]

all direct upgrades except ring is from 291 > 304. grenade and boots I have at 298. I think the boots make sense as the only main stat upgrade?

[blazing condor]

a good trinket effect is probably gonna be better than just main stat upgrades considering it will be replaced by leveling gear in DF

but grenade probably aint worth it

and i also dont know the DF quest gear ilvl

[rich lake]

If you are 300 ilvl now you won’t be replacing gear till like 66-67

[strong forum]

Around the 3rd zone is when you start getting 309+ gear

[rich lake]

It’s Waking Shores > Onharan Plains > Azure Span > Thaldraszus right?

Im still not sure whether to level as arms or prot, like which is gonna be faster

[strong forum]

If you have gear, prot is faster

Mobs literally die in 2 hits

And as prot you can just pull 30 mobs and all global them

[rich lake]

I’m probably gonna be 260-270 ilvl cos it’s a fresh char

Gonna blast M+ to prepare

[neon fossil]

If I am using the wall lego, should I drop Seismic Reverb talent?

[ionic fern]

No.

[neon fossil]

Oh wait... sorry brain fart.

[polar wharf]

So much to learn as new tank and new to the class. Routes, mechanics, rotation.. To much going and with insane haste. I can't maintain banner as easy and i know i screw up my rotation. Looking forward to DF and tank from start with lower haste 🙂

Failed to reach +20 in every dungoen before reset yesterday. Lower Karahzan defeated me, hate that dungoen 😂

[cobalt seal]

You know you can practice banner on dummies

Where you have nothing else going

[polar wharf]

Yes i know, should stand there practice for a while

[radiant magnet]

just use prepatch to learn as much as possible

[long flower]

is it true that prot kinda the best tank atm?

prot taking blood dks place at top tank ?

[ionic fern]

Hope not.

But unfortunately probably yes.

[long flower]

so prot atm is doing very well

prob best tank atm? m+ wies

[rich lake]

It’s also very fun

I read something about Outburst being bugged atm?

[ionic fern]

We have been doing very well for a long-long time already.

[long flower]

Im simply comparing to how prot did in S4, to now. If its better or worse, if better, then is it top place?, is all.

[cobalt seal]

Pwar has been good since s2

Being really good since s3

It was top 2 s3 and s4

[ionic fern]

Top 1 in my heart since forever.

All that counts.

[cobalt seal]

Its for sure top 3 in pre patch

Considering pretty much all tanks are op

[pallid canyon]

finally going to attempt to tank more than dps in m+ for dragonflight, so i thought i'd play prot given i can still play fury/arms for raid, but more of a general tanking question i guess than prot specific: would i be right in saying that i sort of want to be popping at least 1 defensive on each pack (within reason, i guess i don't see much point in popping shield wall on like a 3 mob pull)

[grave crane]

yeah you want to pop Shield block on each pack and keep it up

[cobalt seal]

Cds should be poped

[strong forum]

It depends on every single encounter when and where you use your defensives

Stuff like SB and IP can be considered maintenance buffs, you always want Shield Block at all times. Ignore Pain is a defensive rage dump which just through natural play should also be up

[grave crane]

i mean thats true but its also good to learn to just use them otherwise you have tanks that hold thier cds for things that never happen and waste DR

[strong forum]

And any other defensives should be used frequently

[grave crane]

also IO would be a good choice for learning cause you pop avatar on CD and that gives you a lil ol SW

[strong forum]

The thought process of defensive CDs should always be "do I need it for something specific before it'll be ready again?" if the answer is no, you can just send the CD on pretty much every pack

[cobalt seal]

https://tenor.com/view/all-of-this-pointing-up-there-see-this-gif-14720503

[uneven mason]

Large chunk of tanking, especially on prot is knowing what the trash does and what you're going to need to deal with it

[cobalt seal]

?

[uneven mason]

We get pretty freqent big CDs

[cobalt seal]

Thats all tanks

[uneven mason]

But especially on protection

[grave crane]

well he did say tanking and then specified prot

[cobalt seal]

[uneven mason]

Since our kit is used ahead of mechanics

[cobalt seal]

So is the other tanks?

[grave crane]

idk with IV now we got a pretty big oh i fucked up button

[uneven mason]

Demo shout or SW after you get dickpunched isn't going to do a lot

[cobalt seal]

Fiery brand after tank hit

Isnt going to do shit

Si after tank hit

Isnt going to do shit

[uneven mason]

Most other tanks have bigger fuckup recovery

[grave crane]

death strike frenzied regen WoG

expel harm?

not sure about that one '

[uneven mason]

Right although good point that LS+ iv gives us a large oops cd

[grave crane]

IV is huge

[uneven mason]

Monks have alot of self healing now I was surprised

[radiant magnet]

shh, IV is tiny, needs buffs

[cobalt seal]

Most tanks take more dmg than pwar

[uneven mason]

Iv needs to be added to am

[craggy pilot]

lol i guess thats what i get for being AFK in this expansion 😄

pretty decent for lvling i guess

[glacial sky]

if you're wearing decent gear, why wouldn't you level as prot? everything will die in 2 seconds and you can pull the entire zone... also gavel loses its effect at 61

[strong forum]

As of recently it doesn't lose its affect anymore

[uneven mason]

Oooo

[glacial sky]

ah, missed that

[grave crane]

thats huge

[uneven mason]

They really should stretch things to 69

[radiant magnet]

you level out of it pretty quick though. by the time you hit Azure, unlikely to be using much from SLs

[craggy pilot]

272 gavel lvling vs 278 1h+shield lvling tho 🤔

[grave crane]

idk the benefit of the on use effect probably out weighs ilvl for a bit

[ionic fern]

I don't think i've ever leveled as NOT prot.

🤔

[radiant magnet]

I've leveled 4x prot warriors on beta so far. It's fast.

[craggy pilot]

i always lvl in Arms

Second wind is so good for lvling

[rich lake]

You can talent into second wind as Prot now too

[uneven mason]

I even leveld as prot in 1.01

[misty hinge]

hi guys so im looking to learn on how to tank whats the easiest tank to play except druid thats my main thanks

[uneven mason]

That wasn't fun

[uneven mason]

Prot

Warriors are easy af rn

[craggy pilot]

ah ye tru, but Arms big dam

big WW

[pallid canyon]

I understand you wanna try and keep SB and IP up basically as much as possible, and obviously with the talent IP will somewhat bolster itself through your own damage - but considering both cost rage, I'm assuming the priority on pull (say after charging in and using thunderclap + shield slam for initial rage generation) should be to pop SB asap and then start dumping rage into IP, and then dump rage into being offensive when you feel comfortable enough to do so?

[misty hinge]

@uneven mason thanks thanks ill look into warrior

[uneven mason]

You've got it

[craggy pilot]

you dont "dump" rage into IP, unless you are overcapping

[rich lake]

That’s good to know, gonna get my gunshoes and stuff ready soon before they spike in price

[craggy pilot]

you dump rage into Revenge

[uneven mason]

IP is for when you're taking noticable damage

[craggy pilot]

and IP is only to avoid overcap

[uneven mason]

Or need to dump rage

[craggy pilot]

nah, this is never really the case anyway

you dont need to plan your IP too much

just chug it when at high rage

[uneven mason]

You don't plan it

You just press when hp go down or you're getting more rage than revenge can dump

[grave crane]

literally just use SB on pull and keep it up at all times while tanking use revenge for rage and IP to dump rage since its off GCD so you dont waste rage

[radiant magnet]

Tanks are reasonably balanced going into DF, despite what any tier list might suggest. If you have Beta access, create one of each on Valdrakkan and figure out which one you enjoy most. The 'play what you like' suggestion has never been more true for tanks than DF.

[craggy pilot]

IP is not gonna save you if your hp goes down lol 😄

[pallid canyon]

bad wording on my part, I more meant use the rest of the rage you are generating after spending the initial on getting SB up, to get a decent amount of IP going before starting to use it offensively

[lofty widget]

no

just spam revenge unless youre gonna overcap

[uneven mason]

Just revenge

[craggy pilot]

you dont need IP going before going offensive

just spam Revenge

[misty hinge]

@radiant magnet thanks thanks im just looking for an easy time to tank lol i never tanked before

[craggy pilot]

[uneven mason]

I isn't on gcd

[grave crane]

IP is not a defensive its just so we dont overcap rage

[lofty widget]

IP is a minor defensive up, not something you should actively worry about

[craggy pilot]

IP is just for Anger management

[pallid canyon]

right I see, literally just spam revenge after SB, i'm assuming because in aoe i'll generate so much rage I'll have plenty to use on IP to avoid overcapping

[craggy pilot]

SS > TC > Revenge > IP

[craggy pilot]

yes now you got it ❤️

[uneven mason]

You got it

[craggy pilot]

and just TC + SS on CD

then you will get more than enough rage for IP in the end

and shoot that Avatar + Demo shout on CD also

[uneven mason]

Until they nerf our rage again

[craggy pilot]

during Avatar, every 2nd global is TC

[uneven mason]

Womp

[craggy pilot]

so then you will get a shit ton of rage for IP

[pallid canyon]

sweet, thanks guys - i guess i was more worried about juggling things with rage considering they both have a cost, but i guess the point is that it doesn't really matter so much because we generate so much rage anyway

[craggy pilot]

yes true

and SB has a CD

so there is limited rage going into SB

and IP is just worthless most of the time anyway 😄

[uneven mason]

Yup at least for now we're going into dragonflight tuned around the idea that we'll have resources, rather than bfa and sl where they gutted our rage and expected us to deal with low income by stacking enough haste to make the flash go "hey, whoa, let's calm down now"

[uneven mason]

IP is the #1 heal! Just ask details

[craggy pilot]

probably due to auto getting it from Violent Outburst

and Brutal Vit

[obsidian path]

Is there a "mitigated damage" option that adds/shows damage reduced by blocks too ?

[craggy pilot]

probably not in Details, but if you log there should be something like this

[grave crane]

i dont think in details you gotta log to see how much is blocked

[craggy pilot]

there is at least a % of attacks blocked in logs

[uneven mason]

Not without diving into every damage source

But yeah if you want good metrics livelog your runs

[mellow quartz]

Arguing IP is not a defensive is kinda silly. It has great defensive value.

[uneven mason]

It's not hard to setup

[obsidian path]

I always found it unfair that BDKs get to pad healing meters whereas all my mitigation was 'invisible' because of shield wall/block

[uneven mason]

It does, I think most people glaze over it because it is very passive currently

[mellow quartz]

If IP is down you are getting trucked

[craggy pilot]

comparing it to SB, it is a valuable comparison to say it is not a defensive ability

[uneven mason]

We're a long way from uldir rage banking so we can survive running out with zul's bleed

[craggy pilot]

nah, if you have SB up you wont get trucket, trust

[mellow quartz]

It’s not really a ‘one or the other’ kinda thing though.

[mellow quartz]

Trust you will on beta

[grave crane]

i think the issue is that it has a damage cap where as shield block just mitigates damage for an amount of time

[mellow quartz]

SB does fuck all for magic

[uneven mason]

Unless you take spell block

Wooo

[craggy pilot]

you can Spell Reflect

[mellow quartz]

🤔

[craggy pilot]

Spell Reflect and Shield Wall for Magic

[vast ridge]

It is extremely confusing as someone looking to learn tank the way people talk about IP. The impressions I get from this discord is that it’s completely worthless as a defensive

[mellow quartz]

You played more than a +10?

[craggy pilot]

played a 21

[craggy pilot]

and you?

[mellow quartz]

On beta?

18

[craggy pilot]

i dont play beta

[mellow quartz]

Then what are you talking abt.

[craggy pilot]

everything will get changed with launch, so no reason to compare it to beta

[cobalt seal]

https://tenor.com/view/colbert-popcorn-popcorn-stephen-colbert-eat-popcorn-popcorn2020-gif-16075618

[cinder storm]

When did we went from "use IP as a rage dump" to "you need IP" to survive or you will get truck" been out a few weeks, I feel washed

[mellow quartz]

Everything gets changed with launch?

What

[craggy pilot]

there is so much shit not tuned yet

[grave crane]

because of how much rage we generate you use IP to keep yourself from overcapping and wasting rage. It also feeds into Anger management so Avatar and SW come off CD quicker

[cobalt seal]

As much as i love popcorn

This discussion is painfully stupid

[grave crane]

it provides a small damage mitigation but you shouldnt be actviely thinking about it, just press it to dump rage

[vast ridge]

I understand that part. But is it a defensive or not? Do you get it rolling at the start of hard pulls or do you just ignore it until you’re going to cap?

[uneven mason]

You just press

[grave crane]

i dont even think about it i just press it

[lofty widget]

most ppl can safely ignore IP unless youre overcapping rage

[cobalt seal]

With how much rage you have

[grave crane]

your also gonna generate it passively with Outburst

[craggy pilot]

only get SB rolling at the start, IP will come auto

[cobalt seal]

You will dump into ip quite often

[craggy pilot]

just spam Revenge

[vast ridge]

I’m talking about in DF btw looking forward. Not in prepatch

[strong forum]

You get up IP just by playing the game, it's not a prio to get it up ASAP

[craggy pilot]

if you press your SS + TC correctly, you will get IP auto

[uneven mason]

Like it's a supplement to the kit, it has value but it's not a corner stone, why the balls do you guys only think in absolutes?

[strong forum]

You start most pulls with CDs, so with that you'll have enough rage you'll need to start dumping it into IP anyway

[grave crane]

playing correctly in Prepatch will get you playing correctly for DF so it kinda doesnt matter where your talking about

[strong forum]

Alot of our tankiness comes from pressing IP so often

But treat IP like stagger

It just happens

[uneven mason]

And our indom healing and sw reduction

[vast ridge]

Ok, thanks Nom.

[uneven mason]

I'm nom

[vast ridge]

Whoops forgot I hit reply

[craggy pilot]

😂

[grave crane]

nom #2 thank you for your wisdom

[vast ridge]

What about in ST situations where rage gen is presumably lower? Still same thought process?

[uneven mason]

Yes

[strong forum]

In ST same situation, dump rage into IP to prevent overcapping, or just before actual mechanics happen

In DF you'll get passive IP generation just from tierset

[cobalt seal]

mechanics?

[strong forum]

As pressing revenge grants you IP

[cobalt seal]

what's that?

[uneven mason]

Hope they fix out bv...

[strong forum]

They know about it

Just a matter of time

[mellow quartz]

Has anyone tried out ranging the 2nd hit on the 3rd boss in Temple as prot?

You can leap and intervene out to avoid it but not sure if you can get timing down to just strafe out.

[mellow quartz]

The good part abt it being bugged is we look weaker than we are during the beta testing weekends 🙂

[uneven mason]

I mean I'd rather get real data upfront because when they tune around bugs it leads to overcorrection

In both directions

Or no correction (vdh magic resist)

[grave crane]

Is our BV bugged on beta?

[marble cipher]

The Brutal Vitality BV, not the Booming Voice BV 😛

Brutal Vitality stops working once you cap Ignore Pain, only starts working again once IP falls off

[uneven mason]

Which is very counter intuitive

[grave crane]

Ah that makes sense too That sucks

[uneven mason]

Eh it's certainly not a make or break situation

Still waiting for legion IP to return

Get back to our 1% actual damage taken days

[pale roost]

any one got a good way to track outburst

WA

[mellow quartz]

You can definitely feel IP not rebuilding in small target environments

[strong forum]

I'm using a custom made WA for outburst in resource bar style instead of stack tracker.

But generally any generic stack tracker of seeing red, and buff tracker of violent outburst will suffice

[rich lake]

Is Outburst bugged atm sure I read yesterday that it is?

[strong forum]

On retail it is

There's a list of bugs in the pins

(it's not very long but explained there)

[balmy canyon]

I made a small WA that tracks outburst and seeing red. It's an icon with a number on it for the number of stack then changes when you get outburst, simple but effective

[craggy pilot]

Outburst still bugged right?

7 stacks being consumed by TC without doing anything?

[jagged pier]

Yer it looks nice, i just didnt gel with it

[oak echo]

Yes still bugged

[craggy pilot]

sadge

[oak echo]

one day i'll get to remove this from the wa i made

but it's not today

[mellow quartz]

What you need to do is make your WA change color when you have enough rage banked up that your next IP will grant your outburst.

Would make it even better.

[jagged pier]

But it tells you the amount of rage u need to spend

To get outburst

[mellow quartz]

Colors are better

[rich lake]

I wish I could make my own WAs

Too smooth brain

[modern brook]

90% of wa's people want is literlly just clicking the pre-made buttons in WA's baby's 1st wa

[mellow quartz]

Like the old fire mage combust 1 button macro

[strong forum]

🤷‍♂️

I guess

Could be a custom option or smth

I myself have had enough practice with it so it's not smth I personally would need

[sturdy sable]

This

[strong forum]

We all started somewhere

And like bull said, 90% of weakauras people want is just a simple "track this button" "track this buff"

And those are made in seconds

The templates exist within WA, just gotta go there and create it, takes 3 clicks to get a buff tracker

[craggy pilot]

90% of the weakauras i made myself, i found some other WA and just looked how it was done 😄

and then did it myself in the way that i like

eg making a bar into an icon

[uneven mason]

Go play the free logic process game at code academy - gratz you can write functional WA

When x is true do y

[pale roost]

the shield from mechagon is good right?

got it as a option in vault

[uneven mason]

If it's a higher ilvl

[pale roost]

yea was a 285 shield vs the mecha one at 304. but i also could have replaced 298 legs for 304

[uneven mason]

Sounds like the shield

[strong forum]

Shield

[pale roost]

yea 🙂

the procc sounds good. tho no clue how ofyten it proccs

[uneven mason]

As for how good it is, eh, I'd use a stat shield over iiat equal ilvl

[strong forum]

The proc only happens once per minute

Which is why the shield is generally quite bad compared to a shield with actual stats

[uneven mason]

But ilvl at least gives you the important stuff like str and armor and sbv

[autumn atlas]

The only part of IP that is AP based is how shielding gets stored up each time you press it right? The total you can store is just 30% of your health and the 55% absorb isn't modified by AP right?

[lofty widget]

correct

[autumn atlas]

thanks

[real fossil]

If you spend 20minutes and read every option and drop down that exists on weak auras the whole addon becomes a lot more manageable.

[sick sentinel]

Yeah but

Reading

[real fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/reading-sign-cant-stop-me-no-one-can-stop-me-gif-13921932

Warriors trying to make a hud

[balmy canyon]

My process for wa is tiny bit of understanding and lots of 'hmm let's try this, ops that broke everything time to undo'

[vital sinew]

Trying to get a totem WA to work for an hour only to realize capitalization matters.

[ionic fern]

My process of WA is Wago.io->Copy->Paste.

[vital sinew]

Oh for sure. Crib what you can

[radiant igloo]

Hi, anyone know why when i spent rage with IP only, i get the outburst proc with 6 Ip (210 rage) instead of 7 (245) ?

[limpid anchor]

That’s my process as a software dev as well

[lofty widget]

cause you spent 205 out of 240 rage, pressing IP grants outburst

[pale roost]

so should outburst in all scenarios be spent on ss?

[lusty bobcat]

re: that - I still can't grok the IP formula. No matter what I do I can't get (0 + ap * 3.5) * (1 + versa) to match what I'm seeing in-game

if I multiply that number by 1.3 at level 60 I get close

[lofty widget]

with UF talent TC is more dmg on +4 targets during ava and +6 outside ava

[lusty bobcat]

my "show current IP as a bar based on max possible IP" works just fine, I just need to figure out the exact IP formula to calculate overcapping

[radiant igloo]

@lofty widget Not really because it proc when i have 6 stack, when i have spent 175, the next proc it (210 spended).

In fact, it work like Ip cost 40

[lofty widget]

well you can also proc outburst from 5 stacks just a bug you gotta keep in mind

shouldnt change much if youre just aware it can happen

[radiant igloo]

Certainly a bug yes, thx.

[weary lodge]

So... I'm loving pre-patch prot warrior. Ininite necro banner + reprisal and all the pre-patch changes feels great... For those of you that had beta access, how much are we going to hate losing necro banner and reprisal? I feel like we're only so strong because of the 100% uptime with banner and that additional 22% str it gives. Is there hope it'll still be great in DF?

[limpid anchor]

Pwar is one of the best tanks atm

Just walking a bit slower

[lusty bobcat]

lovely. Crashes make new weakauras go boom

[fast hawk]

so, still useable to keep leggys? or time to replace them?

i got the gutcrusher greatbelt in vault but i have unity there

[hard vessel]

So when do you guys think we get the nerf hammer? Not a single youtube tier list without warrior being in his own giga tier 😂

[ornate thunder]

Most of them are putting VDH up top recently, not sure what you're smoking

[eternal moth]

Haha, good to hear it's not just me

Once I swapped to The Wall it wasn't bad though. I can keep 100% pretty easily on dummies and I'm failing at dungeons the same way now as I was before

One thing that helped a little was just recording a combatlog on the dummies and analyzing it with WarcraftLogs

[grave crane]

Youtuber tier list are cringe af

[lusty bobcat]

wait until they figure out that BDK has 1-min burst now. Their heads will explode.

[hard vessel]

True I know this

[oak echo]

there's no real reason to replace them unless you're done playing until launch. unity i still a good effect if you're doing any relevant content

[oak echo]

still very good without those. in fact most people don't play with reprisal anymore because it's nowhere near needed for block uptime

[strong forum]

you dont care, no

the only time where you care about IP size is before boss mechanic X

99% of the rest, you dont

you just send

[mighty valley]

people like to make their UI look like an airplane cockpit with a million numbers they don't need to know about

[slow shale]

Head empty, get threat dont die

[mighty valley]

and then be like "wait i don't know how i died"

[grizzled nova]

I use intuitive indication as much as possible in my wa sets, with states of things being represented visually rather than numerically

[pale roost]

atm using def matrix(278) old soul(285). do you guys think my grenade 298 would be better?

[lofty widget]

nah

loss of str is pretty meh

[pale roost]

yea thought so 🙂

is it worth playing bonesmith soulbind in keys =)?

are reprisal better then the wall?

[severe hatch]

Marileth is still Bae AFAIK

[pale roost]

ok 🙂

[severe hatch]

I would run Wall over Reprisal

[pale roost]

sry for all questions am new to warrior and tanking. and yea using wall atm.

[severe hatch]

Make sure to look through the pins

[pale roost]

will do thx 🙂

[chrome falcon]

@strong forum or anyone else who did break the meta, do you guys have your banners yet

me and my group don't even though we definitely signed up with a valid team

in BFA my co-tank told me that prot warrior (8.0 when we were seen as bad) only needs 2 buttons

thunder clap, and release spirit

[jagged pier]

well that was a bad take

cause it was good just a bit annoying with IP on gcd

[chrome falcon]

it was pretty funny though so i didn't gkick him

jakey you did BTM right

did you get your banner reward from it

[jagged pier]

me?

do m+?

u must be joking

[blazing condor]

Kek

[chrome falcon]

i know

it took a lot for them to persuade me to log on for 2 keys as well tbh

so if i don't get my flag from it

i'm gonna be mad

[jagged pier]

that being said tho Nome has boosted me through a few when his groups need a 5th

C:

[vernal vale]

I was going to but work got in the way.

[mellow quartz]

If it takes as long as it takes for them to give titles like cryptic hero etc then it will take weeks.

Took me a month into S4 to get S3 title iirc

[strong forum]

prolly takes some time

didnt even get an honorable mention yet

[chrome falcon]

yeah just saw a post saying it could take up to a month from oct 20

so

[mellow quartz]

Seems abt right

[crude notch]

Yep, event rewards take 2-4 weeks to distribute after the event is over.

[pale roost]

are shieldcharge good for keys? it looks strong

[strong forum]

at70 its a must pick

or well, not a must, but heavily recommended

[pale roost]

why not at prepatch =)?

[strong forum]

dont have enough points available

other points are better

[pale roost]

ah ok 🙂

[uneven mason]

But if you really want to run it chances are it won't break your runs

Our tree is pretty limber for a brick

[flat comet]

shield charge feels real good when you use it

makes me miss gladiator stance

[uneven mason]

I think I prefer prot doing respectable damage without gladiator

[rich lake]

Running round in War mode on Prot is hilarious, can literally bully everyone

[vernal vale]

Gladiator was a fantastic playstyle in all reality. Cram as much as you can into a buff window of shield charge

[flat comet]

yeah it was just fun as a dps spec

[uneven mason]

What they did to balance it was nightmare inducing

[vernal vale]

I will always keep the dream of the return of gladiator dps

[vernal vale]

Nah, just made the spec harder which meant the community thought it was bad.

Just required 90CPM to pump the numbers

[uneven mason]

No I mean they gutted protwarrior

[vernal vale]

Oh, well that's a whole other issue

[uneven mason]

Armor damage our abilities to remove debuffs all stripped away to balance gladiator in pvp

[vernal vale]

Armor for damage was a fun idea

[uneven mason]

Was the only time in memory that protection was just flat out unusable

[vernal vale]

It was completely usable in raid.

Just had to know what you where doing

[uneven mason]

Not for mythic prog

[oblique garnet]

Git gud issues

[vernal vale]

It was completely capable of mythic prog then as it was this expansion. Just took more effort

[oblique garnet]

Like it always has been

[vernal vale]

This tbh

[uneven mason]

Prot took considerably more damage than the other tanks and threat was so low that DPS could rip off of you

[vernal vale]

Wrong on both accounts

[uneven mason]

Because of balancing glad damage

[vernal vale]

We've always been a low damage taken tank. If you have threat issues that's a player issue.

Glad damage nerfs where only inside of gladiator stance so

Standard prot wasn't affected.

[uneven mason]

They literally were not

They gutted shield slam

You have a very rose tinted memory of that early wod

[vernal vale]

I played gladiator/prot the entire expansion of WoD

No rose tint of the early state when it was admittedly broken as hell

[uneven mason]

Didn't get fixed until HFC

Was night and day doing mythic hm and brf with any other tank

To put it in perspective when we swapped the prot war for a brm, we were able to go down to two healers in most fights

[vernal vale]

I once more refer you to this statement from Late

Stagger covers a lot of fuck ups

[oblique garnet]

Well yeah ofc theres outliers every expansion and tiers

S4 sl bdk

0 brain top damage 90% parry

But all tanks are viable

Its just git gud issues to make it work

[uneven mason]

There's yes this can work, and then there's "technically ok, but trolling your raid"

[oblique garnet]

And?

Are you in top20?

If not

Doesnt matter

[vernal vale]

If your not a race for world first team than it's not trolling.

[sturdy sable]

Lol "trolling your raid" only applies to like 100 players

Everyone else it literally doesnt matter

[uneven mason]

Who knows, I was a resto shaman at the time because our tanks were set, could be that our tanks sucked at war in ways that we couldn't see in logs, I just know healing warriors in that era was way more intense than any other tank

And changing them reduced our required throughput by 30%

[mighty valley]

i don't really have a horse in whether it was fun or not but i'm pretty strongly against having a dps spec hidden inside a tank spec in current game systems

[vernal vale]

In the modern game I say gladiators return would need to be it's own spec for sure.

It just complicated loot in raid as gladiator wanted the same trinkets/weapons/shields your tanks did

[real fossil]

There is a classic mentality that came from somewhere that the worst players should play tank and it couldn’t be further from the truth

Idk where it originated

[mighty valley]

in actual vanilla at the time, tanks were seen as the most important players

got plate funneled to them etc

[real fossil]

Ya cuz dps were threat limited, maybe it’s not classic then. Idk where it came from then 🤷🏼‍♂️

[jagged pier]

i mean they were harrow tbh

[real fossil]

Maybe it’s self selecting because mistakes can be hidden

[jagged pier]

cause they were warrior

they did the most damage as well

[mighty valley]

lmao they were the only tank and best dps

good game tbh

and also yeah, there were more tank gear checks than there are now

but i dunno, these days i think it's a lot harder to be a great dps than a great tank

depending on spec ofc

although a bad tank is more immediately obvious and crippling than a bad dps

like, a REALLY bad tank

[strong forum]

you can kill more bosses with bad tanks than with bad dps

almost every raid is proof of that

[vernal vale]

DPS definitely feels more nuanced anymore. Tank is all about using mitigation properly. Can have bad gear on a tank and if your playing right do just fine unless your trying way outside your range of key or something

[oblique garnet]

Bad tanks make your progress alot slower tho

[strong forum]

they may

[vernal vale]

Some bad tanks get ignored and then it's the good tanks problem as with my old guild.

[strong forum]

but with bad dps youll struggle for alot longer

[oblique garnet]

Depends

[strong forum]

can have the best tank team in the world

but if your dps aint there it aint there

[vernal vale]

DPS checks are definitely a thing.

[oblique garnet]

This expansion if your tanks were trolling youd notice it real fast

But thats pre nerf

[strong forum]

yeah but i mean the tank gets a pass if he doesnt die

[oblique garnet]

No

Thats just not true

[strong forum]

if he can move the boss at the correct time and doesnt die

GG

[vernal vale]

I've got logs proving you can play a class completely wrong and get by as a tank.

[real fossil]

Consistency of attempts guided by the tank can be so huge on more complicated bosses

[strong forum]

im not talking hof here

[vernal vale]

The paladin I tanked with in my old guild is incredibly bad

[oblique garnet]

Ok outside of hof its w/e

Because well people just dont perform

[strong forum]

which is what i said

most raid tanks get a pass

[oblique garnet]

Doesnt mean you shouldnt try to be the best you can outside of hof

[sick sentinel]

Tank rotation is way easier than most dps

[strong forum]

thats not what im saying either

the discussion started with the fact that you can kill more bosses with bad tanks, than with bad dps

[sick sentinel]

Define bad tanks

[uneven mason]

Bad DPS certainly will choke progression more than average tanks

[real fossil]

Idk when most wipes come from mechanics and not hitting an enrage I feel like it’s more nuanced

[flat comet]

bad tanks dont use cds to stay alive at the same time and put unncessary stress on healers or dps because of their cd usage or placement

[strong forum]

full turtle, full cheat death, <=6k dps huge dmg intake

[sick sentinel]

Well yea like sotf artificer

That’s a tank mechanic fight

[strong forum]

pretty much needs an external for every mechanic

and perma healer baby sitting levels of bad

[uneven mason]

Fights are tuned that you have to reach minimums to clear it, but mostly this is down to someone who does average DPS just not dying

Sludgefist is a strong example of this, you needed consistent performance but mostly just don't die

[oblique garnet]

I dont remember the last time where there was a tight enough dps check that you couldnt make it without people dying to some mechanics before

[strong forum]

thats cuz youre in top20

[uneven mason]

Literally the exception

[strong forum]

i can guarantee you, to this day even with triple fated affix + new talents

[real fossil]

1 dps vs 1 tank I’m not so sure, if your entire dps core is bad that’s not a fair comparison

[strong forum]

you can find people struggle with dps checks

[sick sentinel]

well yea but thats what i meant by rotation. If someones having trouble with uptimes on tanks, there's no way he can play a good dps

[strong forum]

if youre a bad performing dps, youll just get kicked

if youre a bad performing tank, youre less likely to get booted

[uneven mason]

People around the 60% mark tend to ride that line of missing DPS checks if someone dies

[strong forum]

cuz nobody really cares

[uneven mason]

As long as the healers can carry you?

[cobalt seal]

and it's harder to find tanks that WANT to tank raid

tanking raid is a FUCKING NIGHTMARE

[sick sentinel]

a lot of people do actually

cuz its way more chill

[cobalt seal]

especially after progress

[strong forum]

how often have we had people in here who had were literally told by their RL to stop doing tank dps, because their cotank cant hold threat

[sick sentinel]

than dps

[cobalt seal]

fuck that shit

[strong forum]

@thorn spruce is an expert with shit co-tanks

[cobalt seal]

???

[oblique garnet]

Well yeah sure but that just goes to show you that people who just perform at the level their class should wont ever struggle with dps checks

[cobalt seal]

you understand dps just go there

and dps

[ocean bloom]

also tanks just dont exist so replacing a tank is way more daunting than replacing a dps

if the tank shows up and doesnt die its GG

[jagged pier]

its sad when that happens

[strong forum]

you think i dont know that

[mortal brook]

Yall just need to find a good main tank to do all the hard work for you

[sick sentinel]

dps is way more competitive

[strong forum]

raiding is chill if you have 15 people who pull their weight

[mortal brook]

So you can do an execute

[sick sentinel]

than tanking in a raid

[cobalt seal]

what does it matter

you do your dps and chill

[strong forum]

i find raiding as dps very boring

[cobalt seal]

I find raiding as anything boring

[strong forum]

cuz you just figure out your CDs and then just stare at the dps meter 24/7

[sick sentinel]

nah you want parses

[thorn spruce]

: )

[strong forum]

until boss dead

[sick sentinel]

thats the entire point of dps

[minor helm]

Need to make details bigger for df

[cobalt seal]

and you dont as tank?

[strong forum]

and mald anytime you get any rng mechanic

[oblique garnet]

Disable details in raid

[strong forum]

cuz you lose uptime

[oblique garnet]

0 malding

[real fossil]

This is exactly why adding tank rng is so bad

[cobalt seal]

what else is to do as tank in farm if not parses

[real fossil]

Or, inconsistency. Imagine 5 attempts of kiting a boss left and you prep for it then the tank goes right

[strong forum]

farm is the best raiding experience

[thorn spruce]

YOUr JOBN AS A TANK IS TO TANK
DPS IS DPS
YOU MITIGATE >:((((((

[minor helm]

Ummm tank duh

[mortal brook]

You guy use UIs? It break immersion. Prob why you arent enjoying the raid, cant actually see and appreciate the fights.

[strong forum]

bosses die, you get loot

no bullshit wiping for 3hrs

just kill boss and have a good time

and also talk mad shit ofc

[thorn spruce]

I had a vdh in legion tell me that he couldnt hold aggro and "mitigate" at the same time

[uneven mason]

Don't be too serious

[thorn spruce]

Which.. yeah :))

[minor helm]

Only person allowed to mald in raid is gromnak

[sick sentinel]

tank dps is extremely standardized there are very few rng tank mechanics. Also its like, if you're assigned to solo tank one mob on the side while the raid aoes on the other side, nobody's gonna care if you gray parses

[strong forum]

well neither would i

cuz if it helps kill boss

then ill gladly do it

cuz it wont be an allstart fight

at that point

EG KT, SKS

[cobalt seal]

no no

[uneven mason]

Then there's Zul

[cobalt seal]

the other tanks does it

[strong forum]

doesnt matter, its not on allstars

[cobalt seal]

ofc it does, my dps

me pad

[uneven mason]

They removed alot of cheese able content from all-star

[thorn spruce]

Nom can you hold banner for 80 seconds on pull so that we have more mastery for healers during the burst?

ty

[strong forum]

HAH

good one

[thorn spruce]

🙂

I get told to hold AH for 2minutes

I love that actually

[uneven mason]

It's for the warlocks

[strong forum]

yeah and we all told you to quit

cuz thats just braindamage

[mortal brook]

Ever worry youre too hyperfocused busy looking at shield slam resets to actually enjoy the rest of the fight?

[cobalt seal]

have you consider telling them to stfu?

and l2p

[thorn spruce]

They benched me because I "refuse to cooperate"

[uneven mason]

Going maldraxxus tonight, do I need anything besides grunts to banner

[cobalt seal]

good

find a new guild

[strong forum]

no i actually start worrying about my raidgroup much more and slowly just start calling mechanics

even if i try to just greed

[sick sentinel]

tank parses are like, at the very top you have some weird shit going on that only a very small group of people care about. Then the rest say from 60 to 90 percentile is all dependent on if your destro/surv called sick that week, among other things

[strong forum]

nah

[sick sentinel]

tank parses dont matter nearly as much compared to dps

[strong forum]

tank parses are pretty simple

[uneven mason]

Wat

[strong forum]

very very simple

[cobalt seal]

you press buttons

you get parses

[strong forum]

you get 95-99 = you did your rotation well

[uneven mason]

Pressing button

[thorn spruce]

My parses are between 20 and 95
Guess what the variable is

[mortal brook]

Tru. Start calling out. More and more as you reach that one fight no one knows

[strong forum]

anything lower is just "didnt pad on aoe" or died

[cobalt seal]

why do dps parses matter more?

[mortal brook]

OR youre playing a dead spec and its rank 2 of 6 so enjoy your bad parse

[strong forum]

yeah

[vernal vale]

Hey its the issue I had.

[strong forum]

tfw get a r2 parse -> 87%

[sick sentinel]

because its more competitive

[cobalt seal]

https://tenor.com/view/what-meme-confused-gif-24781501

[jagged pier]

when your r2 but its 73%

[minor helm]

[cobalt seal]

the only parses that really dont matter at all, are the healing ones

[mortal brook]

This notional scenario assumes theres no dps drunk af mainscreening netflix. Theyre all more invested in parsing than any tank ofc.

[modern brook]

Healer damage parses tho, now we're talkin

[thorn spruce]

People really dont care about tank parses btw

😆

OH PLEASE

GIVE ME EXTERNAL EMOTES

[mortal brook]

Woliance wtf

[cobalt seal]

parses literally are there to figured out if you did good or bad

[sick sentinel]

how often do you hear "brb changing conduit" from a tank

[cobalt seal]

as tank or dps

[mortal brook]

Is that actually a good example or

[cobalt seal]

maybe, just maybe, tank conduits dont change much?

just maybe ofc

[thorn spruce]

It was painsmith, and I was tired of overaggroing on pull

So I decided to become a meme

and play nightfae

[strong forum]

i could never do that

id just bully my cotank and RL

[thorn spruce]

ITS LITERALLY

EVERY GUILD

I CBA

[mortal brook]

Told your cotank to use the taunt fixate window lmao. The dbm countdown was accurate

[jagged pier]

literally its a get good situation with me

[mortal brook]

My cotank r1 cuz i could hear a 3 2 1 kek

[jagged pier]

and all my guilds have supported that

[thorn spruce]

It should be

[strong forum]

i told my cotank in the very first raid

[thorn spruce]

But if I say that, then I am the issue

Because I dont want to work with the team

[jagged pier]

then your in the wrong guild

[strong forum]

"im not having a turtle low dps headass cotank"

[jagged pier]

☝️

[strong forum]

and he pulled through

[uneven mason]

I've been NF since 9.0 because slapping

[jagged pier]

i went through like 6 co tanks in legion

[thorn spruce]

I mean

You can be a 4fun player thats fine

[strong forum]

absolutely

[jagged pier]

sure

just not my cotank

and a 4fun player

[uneven mason]

I literally quit from 9.0.5 until prepatch

[thorn spruce]

btw

[mortal brook]

Its very simple, just be the worse cotank instead of the vetter one having to worry about the worse cotank.

[thorn spruce]

I almost beat my cotank in p3 dps

[uneven mason]

Missed the iron maiden days

[oblique garnet]

But i am a 4fun player

[thorn spruce]

x fucking d

[jagged pier]

but your a good one, and better than me so your fine

[thorn spruce]

:)))

It was a fucking struggle

[uneven mason]

Late avoids the stress of having just one bad cotank to rely on and uses 4 instead

[sick sentinel]

ok then lemme give you an example, BDK was fotm in fated season, especially because their ST damage is a lot higher than other tanks. So I think it's fair to say the BDK parses were prob the most competitive one among tanks. And for easier fights like skolex, we're talking about top 100 parses, I'd think bone storm is a dps gain compared to purgatory?

[mortal brook]

Thats a lot of swipe

[uneven mason]

Where late can be noms bad cotank

[sick sentinel]

this is the top 100 break down

you dont see this kind of thing in dps parses

if they cared enough theyd get bonestorm

[cobalt seal]

who is talking about top 100?

[oblique garnet]

Woli have you considered you know maybe the way you give criticism is the issue🤔

[sick sentinel]

nobdoy cares

[thorn spruce]

Bone storm is barely better, and purg can let you play a lot more aggressively

[sick sentinel]

for skolex?

you press taunt

[strong forum]

all i see is 82% bad tanks

[sick sentinel]

exactly

even in top 100

[thorn spruce]

I think at least?

[sick sentinel]

nobody cared

well

18% cared

[vernal vale]

Leave that guild

[cobalt seal]

you know why they didn't care

[sick sentinel]

lot of them prob went in with m+ build

[mortal brook]

'Heres a specific example. No your counterargument is marginalizing' kek

[cobalt seal]

it's all about pressing buttons

¯_(ツ)_/¯

they pressed buttons

they parsed

[thorn spruce]

Idk how I can improve the way I give feedback other than

"I keep overaggroing and thats an issue, please work on your threat generation"

reeee

:c

[mortal brook]

Using the taunt fixate window

Tbh

[minor helm]

Be meaner

[strong forum]

[mortal brook]

Cotank overthreats me near all xpack, just shift taunting over a couple seconds and everythings fine lol

[strong forum]

yeah, aslong as cotank can press taunt at the correct times

[thorn spruce]

This is when they actually let me blast

Which was only on guardian

[strong forum]

fucking hell

literal demon guilds

[oblique garnet]

Yeah thats polite

[thorn spruce]

The RL always has their back and says "Nah woli, you should just pay attention to your threat and not wipe us"

[minor helm]

Late can you pilot my character discord profile and flame my guild

[thorn spruce]

Play your fucking class properly aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[sick sentinel]

that depends tho

[oblique garnet]

Sure

[minor helm]

[sick sentinel]

if youre like monk or dh, and the co tank is going ham with jailer mace

that threat is going awyyyy

[thorn spruce]

No

[sick sentinel]

nothing stops that

[thorn spruce]

This is like

[oblique garnet]

No

[thorn spruce]

I pop wings and overaggro

3 minutes into fight

You have 0 excuses

[sick sentinel]

ok then make sure taunt covers the mechanic

[uneven mason]

Figured you were a paladin

[minor helm]

Tell cotank to hold gavel till 3 minutes in

[oblique garnet]

S4 of bfa is the only time you could have used the excuse that rng threat can fuck you up

[cobalt seal]

I wonder why isn't this all 100%

they should all have the same stuff

[sick sentinel]

huh

[thorn spruce]

This was pregavel :c

[cobalt seal]

since dps are competitive and "go change conduits"

for fights

[sick sentinel]

you have like 2 people prob forgot to switch from tigers palm

the last two row are 100%

wym

[thorn spruce]

Prob refering to this?

[sick sentinel]

bruh

[cobalt seal]

how about that on 2nd fight? then

[thorn spruce]

or not

[cobalt seal]

I guess now it was 30 people that forgot

[cobalt seal]

it was

yes

[thorn spruce]

ah

Oh oh oh
One more thing
In that guild

Guess who got PI?

[cobalt seal]

RL

[thorn spruce]

The demo lock, because destro warlocks were good targets

Not the prot paladin beating literally everyone

aaaaaaaaaaaa

[minor helm]

I’d log off if I hear the prot pally was getting PI

[thorn spruce]

Okay not literally everyone, sometimes the mage beat my burst

Whats wrong with giving the prot pala PI on pull?

[edgy flax]

I had the same thing happening in my guild, I got pi because warrior was a good target. I was a fury warrior and said nothing

[minor helm]

Cause that would mean no one else in the guild has hands or the priest isn’t sure what PI does

[thorn spruce]

Heres the burst on guardian

[jagged pier]

i campaigned for PI when we had giga execute

never got it

[thorn spruce]

Why on earth would you not give me the PI?

[jagged pier]

[thorn spruce]

Please?

Genuinely, give me one good reason

[minor helm]

You realize PI isn’t a flat gain for every class right?

[sturdy sable]

Ill get pi and im in the WF group

#blessed

[thorn spruce]

You realise it IS a flat gain for prot paladin, right?

[mortal brook]

Every other

[uneven mason]

Please let us be nerfed

[minor helm]

Ok yeah in ur case it could be best but that doesn’t mean I wouldn’t log off cause of it

[sick sentinel]

ok let me explain

[minor helm]

But that falls back into my first point

No one in ur raid has hands

[thorn spruce]

So you'd just sabotage the raid

Because youre angy

[sick sentinel]

alot of priest has one name in their macro and they cant be bothered to mouseover for PI

[minor helm]

Yeah I would go to a better guild

[sick sentinel]

there you go

[slim zinc]

Whatever person bursts most gets pi

if it's the tank

the tank gets it

[thorn spruce]

Idk if you realised this, but prot paladin was like top 3 PI targets

[slim zinc]

if you're mad tank gets it, you can just get good

and then you get it

easy win

[sick sentinel]

i think you have 10% vers

[thorn spruce]

Its also taking vers into account

[strong forum]

you know they dont check for that stuff

they just assume tanks dont do any dmg or get any benefit from stuff

[thorn spruce]

: )

[strong forum]

you just know

[mortal brook]

it was pretty simple. we just had ppl sim PI 🤷‍♂️

[hollow token]

Quick question - new Prot warrior here. I see in the guides it stresses to never let shield block fall off. But in reality, even if I refresh right as the duration expires, there will come a point where it’s recharging. Is this where IP comes into play? When shield block is not ready? Use both to mitigate big incoming hits as well I assume?

[mortal brook]

lost three toxic ppl over it but the tankadin got the PI

worth

[strong forum]

thats how % work

[sick sentinel]

you keep IP and SB up at the same time

[mighty valley]

i had the math that i should be getting windfury group over VDHs and others, but then they just started trolling me for being annoying about it

[strong forum]

reduce 110% by 10% = 99%

[thorn spruce]

but not every class gains the same from PI

holy fucking shit we scale so goddamn well off haste, HoW, AH, Judgm, Melees,

[uneven mason]

10% of 110 is how many

[thorn spruce]

The ONLY thing we had back then that didnt scale 1:1 with haste increases was blood link

[mortal brook]

was the same for Kindred Aff. ppl that wanted a hand in the decisionmaking over it needed to give me sims and talk through their rotation for it. very easy

[thorn spruce]

and LJ if you played light goat

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[mighty valley]

Check if you've got the good shield block extending talents, then it's just a matter of playing right to keep it up all the time it matters

[sick sentinel]

also with the correct talent set up you should get 95%+ SB uptime just by using it off cd

so theres really no point sweating over this

[strong forum]

which is btw why b-stance is a 14% dmg increase over d-stance

[thorn spruce]

I talked to the priests and the RL, both of them just said "but youre a tank tho"

[urban portal]

Are we learning middle school math

[storm merlin]

Imagine a tank doing damage

[hollow token]

Thanks. I believe I do and I typically hit that ~95% uptime.

[sick sentinel]

dude trust me its really just because they dont mouseover for pi they just use a cast target= macro

[thorn spruce]

I can guarantee you it isnt

[strong forum]

alot of guilds just ignore tank

and assume they dont benefit from stuff

pwar is one of the strongest contenders for WFT

yet jakey didnt into WFT group

cuz they just assume

that others get more

[jagged pier]

[thorn spruce]

But noooom
your dps is lower than the dps
So therefore +300 dps for you is worth less than the +100 dps for the survival hunter

nooooom

[strong forum]

cuz they dont think about math

or do any math

they just assume

[jagged pier]

they did when my cotank/ officer actually looking into the dps gain

[strong forum]

tank != dps

therefor

tank doesnt get dps buffs

[slim zinc]

Either you're in a guild that cares about this, or you leave and try to join one

which is a big pain

[thorn spruce]

I fucking wish I could
its such a pain to find a guild who has a spot for a tank

and a healer friend

:c

[strong forum]

its fine hes still top 4 - top 10

but he could be higher 🙃

[storm merlin]

Imagine not even being top 1, jakey kinda slacking

[thorn spruce]

reeee

[storm merlin]

Did they archive logs from todays raid..?

[thorn spruce]

no

just angry

[storm merlin]

ah okay

[chilly brook]

I had an enhancement shaman that had a fit when I suggested prot should be in WFT group

[storm merlin]

I would hug, but skyhold doesn't let me use good emotes, so no hug for you

[chilly brook]

Literally got so indignant about me saying prot gained the most numerically over any of the dps

[chilly brook]

[storm merlin]

I really don't get why people get so fucking angry that tanks can do damage and sometimes gain more dps than dps from certain mechanics

Yeah that's a shit emote

[chilly brook]

[thorn spruce]

DPS ARE DPS
TANKS ARE TANKS

TANKS NO DPS
TANKS GAIN NO DPS

[chilly brook]

Idk cuz tanks min maxing damage is toxic or some shit

It really grates on people for some reason

[storm merlin]

I mean, minmaxing dps is the only fun part of raiding as a tank

[sturdy sable]

Its literally all you have to do in raid lol

[storm merlin]

unless you're top 5 world or something

[chilly brook]

Yep….

[storm merlin]

and even then, for reclears, you have to do something, so might as well pad dps

[chilly brook]

I was told I was too much of an elitist or some shit by a guild because I got excited about doing 90s or above as a tank

[thorn spruce]

??

[storm merlin]

Heeeeh

[chilly brook]

Mythic prog guild btw

[blazing condor]

tank parse slander is high frequency

[storm merlin]

what world rank

[thorn spruce]

You got called an elitist
for performing well?

[blazing condor]

got told off to stop padding way too many times

[thorn spruce]

??????????

[chilly brook]

Fuck if I remember

[storm merlin]

Sounds like some 2k andies

[strong forum]

no fun allowed sorry

[chilly brook]

Yep. I got kicked for subsequently deciding not to attend a heroic when they didn’t want to do mythic because our other tank wasn’t going to be there and I said “cool I’ll go do some homework then”

[strong forum]

LOL

[chilly brook]

People are fuckin weird

I mean obviously it was just an excuse to get rid of me, but like the reasoning they gave was such shit. They had people who were happy to tank as an off spec and they had plenty of people to fill

[jagged pier]

there was it was like mid last sepulcher

[strong forum]

when we did mythic reclear

and my cotank couldnt make it

i asked who was willing to offspec tank

[chilly brook]

Bet you got like 7 people

[strong forum]

and it was literally the fastest we had ever recleared despite my cotank had never plyed vengeange

[chilly brook]

[strong forum]

and never raid tanked

i just told him what to do mid fight

gg

[chilly brook]

This was back in BFA

[storm merlin]

If someone wants to tank a raid, they're either a monkey or a god

95% of them are monkeys

[chilly brook]

Good stuff

Funny thing is

[strong forum]

he did better on 1st time veng

thand he did on havoc as his mainspec

[chilly brook]

That guild died less than 2 weeks after kicking me

[strong forum]

[thorn spruce]

Im both of these people

[storm merlin]

Woli is the monkey god?

[blazing condor]

🐵

[strong forum]

son goku

[storm merlin]

Woli's gonna hit us with the kamehameha

[chilly brook]

I’m just here to oonga boonga

[strong forum]

secret turtle wave

[real fossil]

Woli did u consider asking the priest nicely for PI? I’ve gotten all my external buffs by being nice and it had nothing to do with math

We became homies and joined forces in laughing at dps who malded over it

[chilly brook]

Unfortunately most external buff boys don’t do that

[storm merlin]

Imagine being nice

[chilly brook]

[storm merlin]

If I have externals, they go to the highest bidder, no exception

[real fossil]

I know right much better to be an edge lord and not get what you want and complain in the class discord about it xd

[strong forum]

i got PI to make our firemages mald

[chilly brook]

There was one point in sepulcher though where I was getting PI as fury

[strong forum]

just out of spite

[chilly brook]

But I was a nice guy, and I whispered the officers who were saying to give it to me and told them to give it to the demo lock

[thorn spruce]

Wow yeah i never thought about that

[storm merlin]

Can confirm, woli is super toxic

[chilly brook]

Cuz you were actually trolling if you didn’t PI your locks

[real fossil]

👍🏼 being nice and turning it into a bit has had great success

[storm merlin]

During S3/4? Yeah, basically had to PI locks or you were trolling

[chilly brook]

Even s2

[real fossil]

Ask them to call into comms “pi’ing the tank” too! stir some shit up

[chilly brook]

Demo just stupidly scaled with haste

[real fossil]

Unless the whole raid hated your warlock 🤷🏼‍♂️