I see
#protection
brisk sparrow
brisk sparrow
thank you for the insight 🙂 I hope they stick to keeping tanks sturdy
uneven mason
Right now they're just "ok" but have no synergy
Yeah
Chances are if they follow through with their "newbliz" mentality
brisk sparrow
also I haven't seen how much the "healing nerf" will impact tanks, most of the selfsustain will take quite the hit, besides deathstriike I guess
uneven mason
They'll probably adjust outliers mid patch
So what's meta for rwf might get nerfed depending if it's a numbers issue
uneven mason
also I haven't seen how much the "healing nerf" will impact tanks, most of the s...
All of warrior self sustain is % based
So it's basically a wash
Same on vdh and bdk
It actually might end up being a buff to druids
brisk sparrow
oh yeah for some reason I thought leech would be a bigger chunk of my sustain with the talents^^
uneven mason
Because of their interaction with % heals and bonus healing
Pal though and that wog, I guess it's a little small now
But in my world there is only warrior 🪖
tardy lily
healing nerf?
uneven mason
40% increase in player health and 40% increase in npc damage
Effective a 40% healing nerf
tardy lily
oh okay, a reverse nerf, i see
ocean bloom
in ST is revenge more prio than TC if you need to reapply the DF 2pc buff?
uneven mason
Healing was too strong, so in a moment of genuinely big brain they addressed the issue in the appropriate way
Because going after healing itself just punishes the healers, this way it changes the playstyle so we don't reenter oneshot territory
uneven mason
in ST is revenge more prio than TC if you need to reapply the DF 2pc buff?
I wouldn't worry about it
But you tend to tc on cd
brisk sparrow
the big thing they are also adressing with this, is healers feeling like they get stronger with dragonflight - if they just nerfed all healing numbers instead, you might barely heal more than now - if health and dmg goes up, you have more to heal and the healing numbers can go up aswell - people just tilt instantly seeing their numbers go down, although doing technically the same^^
uneven mason
Correct
tardy lily
buffing insteado f nerfing can also be a nerf. that is true
strong forum
Just make it % based ffs
Really love chewing through 3-4 items of food to heal up from 10%
uneven mason
Right
brisk sparrow
they had that % based attempt for a while...was it mop? felt really good and you didn't have to worry about using different kinds of food
uneven mason
Idk maybe just have an ooc Regen system
strong forum
#BringBackFishFeast
brisk sparrow
just throw better buffs on it and have it have a level requirement for new expacs, so cooking has progress
strong forum
Best food of all time
Heals 10% mana and health every 1sec
- gives instant foodbuff
uneven mason
Like literally this is one system that EQ did that I'm shocked wow never grabbed
If you're ooc you just start regening hp and mana super fast
strong forum
No reason it shouldn't other than pvp
Eating food for mana/health servers no purpose other than RP
uneven mason
Although it was relative to EQ, and super fast was over 2minutes you'd go from empty to full
strong forum
And you'll still sit for 10sec to get your buff
uneven mason
They even nerfed drinking in wow because of the one tick chug in m+
If you remember that
brisk sparrow
well Ihink it is okay to have food as a ressource to keep the profession relevant, especially with dfs approach - but just make it % based and faster ^^
uneven mason
You'd just click as soon as combat dropped and get 1 tick then move so they made drinking give near nothing for the first 3 ticks
Higher cooking skill = faster regen
They could totally make cooking a serious profession
brisk sparrow
or have it so the food buff gives you out off combat regen and make it more expensive
uneven mason
Right like the mists of pandaria cooking stuff was the right direction to go
brisk sparrow
so you have food equal in costs of flasks and stuff, lasting through the dungeon, regening you without having to sit - have it still relevant and increase in buffs the higher skill you have
uneven mason
Lots of harvestable ingredients, but expand on the complexity
blazing condor
i just miss archaeology 
was my fav thing to do as a kid in cata
but literally it was only good in cata
then they said fuck it
brisk sparrow
to be fair, I never enjoyed those gathering professions including archaeology, but since there are quite a few people that enjoy fishing and stuff, I think it is good to keep them relevant and improving, maybe even like in case of food, have them force other players to use them aswell - profiting of those that enjoy them and vise versa
ocean bloom
the big thing they are also adressing with this, is healers feeling like they ge...
this also lets healers heal more too, since in theory there should be less over healing so its like an extra feels good sometimes
brisk sparrow
keeping the game big and open
if they get the numbers right, maybe healers feel a little more challenged now, without instantly having their had smashed against the wall by just damage spikes they can't overcome - instead focusing more on mana management and constant throughput
also feeling a little less than a support dps spec rather than an actual healer in m+ that provides dmg if there is time for it
they could have just squished the numbers for that aswell, but it looks better in healing meters^^
but back to prot - the high amount of mitigation should feel super rewarding with that aswell and refelcting a 40% higher dmg spell sounds pretty juicy aswell^^
jagged pier
brisk sparrow
is stanley dead or does he need to be dfiblirated?
uneven mason
was my fav thing to do as a kid in cata
uneven mason
but back to prot - the high amount of mitigation should feel super rewarding wit...
Deflect, chances are they're going to limit how useful SR is while maintaining it's defensive properties
Especially since magic isn't much of a threat to us anymore
blazing condor
Spell Deflect new spell pog
marble cipher
Spell Suck 🤔
uneven mason
Womp
west prairie
does thunderous roar do more damage than shockwave + avatar atm ?
ionic fern
also using utility for damage is monkas its why ~~everyone~~ I hated reprisal
I diddn't.
I loved it.
uneven mason
I think reprisal is great in contrast to the clunkyness we had before
But the leap abuse to maximize it
modern brook
I'm getting gaslit again but whatever 😠
blazing condor
gaslit isnt even a word youre just making stuff up like always
uneven mason
Wat
uneven mason
I'm getting gaslit again but whatever 😠
Literally not trying to convince you that liking reprisal is anything besides an opinion
modern brook
thanks i made it in the 100 seconds i saw your response
blazing condor
100 seconds well spent
modern brook
because :whygod: didnt work
jagged pier
also using utility for damage is monkas its why ~~everyone~~ I hated reprisal
tell that to @ionic fern when hes running sonicboom and spear
modern brook
I will and then everyone will tell me that using shwave on cd is technically incredibly efficient cause it does damage and is basically 2 seconds of 100% block and thats a defensive bonus poggers
ionic fern
tell that to <@238357283996696576> when hes running sonicboom and spear
Best build. Don't tell anyone. I secretly did sims ages ago. Just so i can pad.
modern brook
Reprisal was the stinky garbage that lead us to based shield charge
blazing condor
1v1 me solo shuffle no IV
ionic fern
What is solo shuffle?
blazing condor
Its me on the dance floor
ionic fern
Ah,cool.
modern brook
Its me on the dance floor
T-T
solemn thunder
Anyone has the link for the SL Spell Reflect sheet? Lost the link and in pins is only the new version
tropic gorge
Hey I'm using sonic boom and spear (kyrian not talent) and it's fun af
I've missed Shockwave, it's so cool
red siren
Do you continue to play the leg that gives shield free revenge when we charge ? Cause with the new talents we are always on shield block no ?
ionic fern
You can if you want to.
You don't have to tho.
There are various builds for pre-patch depending on your legendary choice in the pins.
ocean bloom
we dont really need a leggo other than unity lol
is there any eta on when simc will be updated for prot?
ionic fern
DF.
jagged pier
is there any eta on when simc will be updated for prot?
there wont be pre patch sims
lets put it that way
ocean bloom
there wont be pre patch sims
yeah im not worried about prepatch i just wanted to test a few ideas i had
red siren
Cause i see people playing with the one who grants one more charge of shield wall and share him to group member. And we have about 1min cd on shield wall so he could better no ?
sturdy sable
there wont be pre patch sims
What?!? But i want to min max these 3 weeks
jagged pier
Cause i see people playing with the one who grants one more charge of shield wal...
u can run that
but the leggo and that talent are going in DF
red siren
but the leggo and that talent are going in DF
They dont keep this talent for DF ?
balmy canyon
It's kinda broke in pvp, 2 25% Drs for the group
jagged pier
fuck pvp its broken in pve
half your raid with a 20% DR as u would run 2 prots for prog
your full m+ group
makes warrior mandatory
literally mandatory
jagged pier
it is dead
ionic fern
Already
marble cipher
it's not dead in prepatch right? (not that it matters)
jagged pier
no its still in pre patch
ionic fern
Only thing dead in prepatch is my will to play.
marble cipher
kek
jagged pier
same
balmy canyon
It's dead either next week or when df launches
strong forum
Even then its mandatory
jagged pier
☝️
strong forum
You can't nerf it realistically
jagged pier
its very easy on demand DR very regularly cause u would run IO
red siren
its op as hell
Yes i’m agree with you but it’s fun to can play it in prepatch
@jagged pier what is the new talent to replace it in Df ?
strong forum
Depends on encounter tbh
olive steeple
What do you mean by mandatory
strong forum
Sometimes you want SW back to back for mechanics
ionic fern
Lets be honest.
We'll take w/e is the highest dps.
Mechanics are a healer problems.
strong forum
And then not for a while again until next tank combo
jagged pier
Sometimes you want SW back to back for mechanics
from the raid testing, all but last u dont need it
as last wasnt tested
strong forum
There can be a few uses in m+
jagged pier
What do you mean by mandatory
that u have to have it
red siren
u always take the wall
In raid it’ can be good no ? Cause we spend less rage than mm+ no ?
jagged pier
In raid it’ can be good no ? Cause we spend less rage than mm+ no ?
its dead in raid
marble cipher
you have plenty of healers in raids
personal CD's + externals, rest is "push out as much dps as you can"
jagged pier
u always have SW for when u need it and the wall increase rage gen from SS and the outburst
theres literally 0 point in having it in raid
olive steeple
Isn’t there plenty of talents that are mandatory? I don’t know why something being powerful in a group vs powerful for yourself is a bad choice to have
red siren
Ok so the wall stay the go to talent
ionic fern
Isn’t there plenty of talents that are mandatory? I don’t know why something bei...
Because having DR for your whole party on such a low CD which synergises with IO is dumb broken.
jagged pier
Isn’t there plenty of talents that are mandatory? I don’t know why something bei...
because it makes all the other tanks invalid because they dont give group DR every 30 secs
and same for half your raid
the fact u can give DR to your party or half your raid every 30 seconds means they may not have to spec into certain things for more dps, or save there defensives for other things etc etc
its just so powerful its amazing it lasted so long tbh
olive steeple
because it makes all the other tanks invalid because they dont give group DR eve...
You can get shield wall to this low of a cd?
ocean bloom
its similar issue to Restless Crew (which got removed), it just cant be balanced its either required or useless
jagged pier
You can get shield wall to this low of a cd?
yes becuase yu run IO so u get it every avatar and give to the party at the same time
olive steeple
Ah gotchya
radiant magnet
You can get shield wall to this low of a cd?
You could. That was the most significant issue tbh. UW alone was slightly OP, but combined with our rotation and CDRs it became too OP
olive steeple
Yeah that’s too strong. Bummer I really like the flavor of bolstering a party of players during a raid
radiant magnet
synergized too well with our kit - would have made double prot warr a consistent raid choice
warm tulip
^
marble cipher
With Explosive week coming up, does Impending Victory reset on killing an explosive?
Or wait, it'll be new for everyone right since that's a talent in prepatch now, and not only new for plebs like me that didn't play prot since season 1
lofty widget
it wont reset
uncut dome
What l,egendary are you guys recomending for prepatch?
sand steppe
Is 304 codex ever worth it? My gut says no
waxen cradle
what ya think boys, shield yeah
jagged pier
Is 304 codex ever worth it? My gut says no
No
jagged pier
With Explosive week coming up, does Impending Victory reset on killing an explos...
It hasnt done that since legion cause its too op
uncut dome
Could you run signet for the lols of it?
jagged pier
What l,egendary are you guys recomending for prepatch?
Signet or seismic for m+, wall or rep for raid
uncut dome
Sweet thanks
jagged pier
U have to take the seismic talent if u run signet tho
jagged pier
No really u just loose a talent point somewhere else like pain and gain or bounding stride
marble cipher
It hasnt done that since legion cause its too op
hm, I kinda forgot Impending Victory always existed, I just never took it and used the "old" Victory Rush in stead...
solar crown
When does leggos get disabled? 15th or at launch?
misty moth
They are in the state they will be from now on. They only work in SL
solar crown
Ok, thanks:)
onyx needle
Honestly with how the new talents are Signet and Seismic to me are a bit lower than Wall or Rep. You can easily maintain 13-14k dps with out Signet and Seismic and have better survivability by using Wall.
warm gyro
Any race look to have an advantage that matters for m+ in dragonflight?
tired night
Any race look to have an advantage that matters for m+ in dragonflight?
Nelf dwarf
Nelf jobs can be done by others tho
misty moth
Others may disagree, but I think for tanking both dwarves are about equal
craggy pilot
anyone know anything about healers for DF? Will they be dmg focused like in Shadowlands or less so?
onyx needle
I be sticking with my normal human, I know a lot prefer KulTiran or Dark Iron dwarfs.
warm gyro
anyone know anything about healers for DF? Will they be dmg focused like in Shad...
From what ive read/seen there will be way more unavoidable damage, meaning there will be less time to dps.
craggy pilot
From what ive read/seen there will be way more unavoidable damage, meaning there...
hmm ok makes sense 🤔 and Shamans will not have Kyrian Totem anymore, and Deeptremor
Does anyone know if Holy Priest is worth to levelup, if they even have any sort of damage profile for M+ without Kyrian 🤔
craggy pilot
Considering their aoe damage just got nerfed
They still have Divine Star and Holy Nova?
swift mulch
Idk I dont play with many priest that do a lot of damage, holy that is
craggy pilot
Rn meta is prob rdruid or evoker
ye saw Maximum doing M+ with the high healer guy, cant remember his name
tired night
Idk I dont play with many priest that do a lot of damage, holy that is
Pi does dam
swift mulch
They usually drop their cov ability and do a fuck ton of damage
craggy pilot
and hes saying dmg is insanely overtuned right now, so healers have it hard
craggy pilot
They usually drop their cov ability and do a fuck ton of damage
ye but Cov is gone in DF 😦
Holy Priest looked hella fun with Tier + Cov + Legendaries, but never got around to trying it out
tired night
Yeah theres a lot of untuned stuff that requires stupid burst healing
craggy pilot
just wondering if they will be worth for DF
uncut dome
When do you thunderclap vs revenge?
tired night
just wondering if they will be worth for DF
Hard to know, a lot of people thought holy priest was going to be middle of the pack going into s3
craggy pilot
When do you thunderclap vs revenge?
you always TC, as it generates and Revenge spends
craggy pilot
Hard to know, a lot of people thought holy priest was going to be middle of the ...
i dont really care if theyre middle of the pack or not, just wondering if theyre gonna be fun 😄
really liked Shadowlands RSham, but not really sure i like the new PWave shit, and no Kyr totem 😦
tired night
Idk, just play it to check if its fun, not a question someone else can answer for u
craggy pilot
1,5 min stacking up Holy Nova + 15sec CD Divine Star hmm
what did get nerfed about Priest AOE tho?
distant palm
Is there anyone who can link an prot build made for the Reprisal Legendary 🙂 for m+
Or do you just replace stormbolt in the one on Wowhead?
strong forum
All wowhead builds are made with reprisal in mind
uncut dome
Ill admit signet feels good to be runniong xD
uncut dome
Aye hahaha
You feel like Jeremy Clarkson screaming "POWAH"
this was first key as prot war
jesus they feel good atm
distant palm
All wowhead builds are made with reprisal in mind
shouldent it be specced in to intervene then?
uncut dome
Could do so much more dmg in aoe
Exactly 😂👌
strong forum
If he didn't then yeah, he should
brisk sparrow
do you guys ever go into dstance? or is that something you only have to consider for 25+?
urban portal
You only go into dstance when expecting heavy damage intake
Or you think you can make pulls that you otherwise couldn’t
brisk sparrow
wowhead states you should take intervene if playing with resprisal which is recommended
mostly running around 20s - I didn't feel the need to, especially with banner and shield wall uptime that high
then again, I mostly don't do big pulls - maybe I should do more limit testing stuff...or atleast keep that in mind for DF to do more often^^
distant palm
yeah and in that case i should lose Storm bolt i gues?
stable valve
Ya I think I'll stick with signet in most keys
What’re you running it on?
Can’t remember slots besides ring
strong forum
Wrist
lusty lotus
We're running Punish simply because of the 10% increase damage on shield slam, or is the DR also part of the reason?
Because I would think one point on Bloodborne would be better if it's just for the damage (total noob didn't do any math, pls no flame)
stable valve
RIP
Guess I’ll keep w/ reverb then lol
Unity is wrist and had signet on ring for fury already
My cheap ass ain’t about to craft 2 more legos lol
Feel like it’s not worth losing the mecha set to get seismic instead of reverb
slender blade
We're running Punish simply because of the 10% increase damage on shield slam, o...
You can just try Bloodborne and see if you like it more. That talent will likely be better when we can get thunderous roar as well.
strong forum
Punish for the damage on SS yes
Punish is a 3% st increase, bloodborne is a 1.5% dmg increase overall
Pick your poison
lusty lotus
Punish is a 3% st increase, bloodborne is a 1.5% dmg increase overall
1.5% increase with 1 or 2 points?
strong forum
1
stable valve
Punish is a 3% st increase, bloodborne is a 1.5% dmg increase overall
What if all of my pulls are 30 mobs at a time
Including bosses
lusty lotus
I see, appreciate the help everyone
stable valve
Trying to optimize my +2 keys
strong forum
I mean even then I'd think prio dmg is better
Cuz the thing that'll slow down keys are bosses and not small mobs you perma cleave down
stable valve
Oh for sure, but sometimes it’s nice to be a total meter whore
strong forum
Bloodborne may be bigger overall than punish, but prio dmg will speed up the key more
Albeit this is a tiny optimisation
lofty widget
i'd think bloodborne loses value when stuff lives for 5 seconds
stable valve
For the w/e keys
lofty widget
cause less bleed uptime
strong forum
Well if everything dies in 5 seconds, then spear is almost better than roar
Or sonic boom for that matter
stable valve
Albeit this is a tiny optimisation
100%, this is me messing around. That one talent isn’t a make or break for ~24 keys
stable valve
Ily nom
severe hatch
Got to make sure you can unlock the hidden +4 to your key
brisk sparrow
maybe you guys got a hint for me - was using kui nameplates which seems to not be updated for a while - I tried plater before but it felt like the nameplates kinda rotate like crazy while moving - is there a setting that could reduce that?
stable valve
I’m 99% sure there is, but I can’t remember what it is off hand
But I thought not rotating was the default
brisk sparrow
well they reorder because of proximity it seems, mobs catching up faster than others and so on - just felt super hectic the last time i tried
strong forum
That's pretty normal
brisk sparrow
maybe i have to get used to it then...can't play with standard nameplates as tank anymore - aggro indicators just suck with them^^ cast bars are kinda meh aswell
thanks so far, guess I will have to try again
severe hatch
Blizz nameplates are F tier
brisk sparrow
i kinda thought they would make things more custamizable appearance wise - not just positions - that is how it sounded in the early announcements atleast, but I guess that was more wishful thinking^^
strong forum
Blizzard and making more appearance customizations...
Yeah nah
Best you can get is 10 options at the barber once very 6-10 years, take it or leave it
dark lark
#RevertExecuteNerf2022
sturdy sable
Best you can get is 10 options at the barber once very 6-10 years, take it or le...
And most of them are just options from other races
oak echo
and yet we still have allied races missing customizations that an otherwise 95% identical race has 🙃
brisk sparrow
I think I found my issue...I made castbars too thick compared to the healthars and they go wild once multiple mobs are casting unsynced
sturdy sable
and yet we still have allied races missing customizations that an otherwise 95% ...
Im still waiting for NE heritage armour
Its been so long im horde now
But im still waiting
oak echo
best we can do is give belf a 2nd set first
blazing condor
they did change the proc effect on abilities right? like the shining border
or is my game just doing things
modern brook
Like the actual graphic of it?
mighty valley
they changed a lot of little things with prepatch, especially around vfx
or you're having a stroke
blazing condor
Like the actual graphic of it?
Yeah instead of it shining yellow its just a yellow outline
its like this now
strong forum
You playing with default?
Cuz default blizz ui still does the left shine
Right one is elvui
strong forum
They did that a few months ago
blazing condor
changeable?
strong forum
There's a general option to change the glow type
blazing condor
nice ty love u
strong forum
From Pixel glow to action shine
modern brook
Goated sword tbh
blazing condor
took 2 month of development
wooden radish
@ionic fern hi
ionic fern
Hi .
mellow quartz
@wooden radish what's best, an "Unkillable super tank" or "The total package"?
wooden radish
nerf pwar
marble cipher
Nerf bear imo, their talent tree is too overpowered
👀
radiant magnet
guardian druids topping heal meters. nerf needed.
uneven mason
guardian druids topping heal meters. nerf needed.
Sounds like something a jealous bdk would say
sick sentinel
D E A T H S T R I K E, that is all
red siren
It’s me or keys are really easy currently ? We do with my mates +28 like no challenge
outer thorn
no its just you being uber god
radiant magnet
it's pre-patch. hardest part of the game right now is the AH
fathom magnet
what are the pro/cons of protection warrior to vengeance dh at lvl 70? cant decide which to pick for DF
outer thorn
I feel resource management is a lot less annoying on pwar, but that might be because im more used to rage than souls/fury
red siren
no its just you being uber god
Lol … but no 😭
outer thorn
@red siren its like Glowreef says, prepatch is like the wild west of WoW, everything is a bit crazy because overlapping systems and endgame gear etc, it will go back to normal mode once DF launches
livid osprey
what are the pro/cons of protection warrior to vengeance dh at lvl 70? cant deci...
DHs are sissies running around in tight leather and Warrs are giga chads running around in fifty tones of steel
red siren
<@326704827998535702> its like Glowreef says, prepatch is like the wild west of ...
cause it’s a bit boring currently
livid osprey
my tmog is literally a fish and cloth armor
Steelskin, then
red siren
Can’t wait DF 😁
minor helm
my tmog is literally a fish and cloth armor
The floppy one?
outer thorn
ye moadmoad, a streamer, almost smashed his keyboard to bits in a +17 tyra HoV key on beta
grizzled nova
cause it’s a bit boring currently
then run higher keys
outer thorn
because one global misplay and party died
blazing condor
The floppy one?
nothin but the floppiest
mortal brook
Sure. Itll just play worse
woven trellis
hi guys, would you use a 290+ilvl piece of equipment instead of belt of unity 265
or youd consider the unity effect too strong
uneven mason
Yes we're not missing much without a Lego
mellow quartz
unity and necro you kinda are
woven trellis
im venthyr
sturdy sable
Condemn go brrr
chrome falcon
Playing venthyr is already so bad that it probably doesn’t matter
sturdy sable
I didnt wanna say it @chrome falcon lol
woven trellis
well
i just got back into the game and i dont want to bother with finishing the venthyr questline in order to be able to change cov
lofty widget
can just swap for free if its the first time and buy the lvl 60 renown boost
woven trellis
no i cant if i dont do at least one time the full questline of my initial covenant
its a new account i was on EU before
i tried and got trapped already
modern brook
Sinful surge is poggers
Tclap->condemn spam is ace in execute
Don't let these NERDcrolord dweeb tell you otherwise
woven trellis
k
modern brook
Ultimately if you're dying it's not due to the 3 overall ilvl you're losing from unity ilvl
woven trellis
i was more thinking about dps
cuz 30 ilvl is some difference and im not even sure the increase duration is more than something anecdotal
i mean the increase duration of avatar
minor helm
Don't let these NERDcrolord dweeb tell you otherwise
Might as well make execute feel good for the little bit of time it’s still around before you have to use df execute
modern brook
It's probably like an extra 12 seconds or so in applicable phases
That's a guesstimate for the record
I'd just play both and see if you miss surge
I doubt you will tbh
But that is more likely a statement on how bad ven is than anything lol
I play ven cause I'm too lazy to switch
woven trellis
the thing im worried about is just that
in an actual situation where i need to survive
because the pack is big
do i really have the luxury to press condemn that many time
minor helm
Can pwar die (not counting not hitting buttons)
modern brook
do i really have the luxury to press condemn that many time
Yeah I mean ultimately the answer for you here is: if you really care about your throughput, bite the bullet and swap to necrolord
Otherwise it's really not gunna make a difference one way or another
Going Unity >ilvl would help in execute phases and low pull dungeons like upper
Ilvl>unity let's you eek more revenj dmaag
woven trellis
Yeah I mean ultimately the answer for you here is: if you really care about your...
i care about maximizing my dps while not having to do boring stuff anymore
its been a pain in the ass enough to do litteraly full content in a week
from thorgast to full zereth morthis
blazing condor
i mean is venth even more dps at this point
south zealot
Can pwar die (not counting not hitting buttons)
if you go full defensive and sit in dstance i dont think so
south zealot
i mean is venth even more dps at this point
probably not
chrome falcon
definitely not lol
south zealot
if you go full defensive and sit in dstance i dont think so
if you die as prot warrior its your fault
south zealot
i just say probably bc ive never personally played it
mighty valley
venthyr was top dps in only single target for 9.0 only
but look, it's prepatch, do whatever, i love condemn vibes
personally i'd keep unity on because it adds a fun little game of seeing how long you can keep avatar running
oblique garnet
if you die as prot warrior its your fault
If you die as tank*
south zealot
If you die as tank*
only tank i play is prot so i didnt wanna comment on other specs
south zealot
but look, it's prepatch, do whatever, i love condemn vibes
yeah just have fun who cares anymore
uneven mason
Either does late, but their healer is a protpaladin
sick sentinel
i love how you can summon and explode a ghoul for healing, and i love the death pact ability too, kind of shame that the 2 arent connected, like you use the ghoul to sacrificed to get hp
thats way it worked wc3
uneven mason
Wat
hollow sun
i love how you can summon and explode a ghoul for healing, and i love the death ...
bin
sick sentinel
not that im trying to eqaute them but
the most common thing to use it on would be wood chopper ghoul or summoned beetle/skeleton
mighty valley
sick sentinel
maybe there is some reason like the ghoul doesn't survive long enough and dies early if it ever worked closer to wc3, i jsut think thats cool flavor
uneven mason
Literally trying to figure out what yogi is talking about and then I remembered it's yogi
gilded basin
Having issues with the Ignore Pain WA, its not showing the text its supposed to show, anyone know how to fix?
mellow quartz
Did you update it?
sick sentinel
i heard warrior probably getting huge nerfs, so might play somethin else if big true
woven trellis
how much do you guys use aggressive stance while pushing keys
mellow quartz
i heard warrior probably getting huge nerfs, so might play somethin else if big ...
Do tell where you heard these things.
mellow quartz
how much do you guys use aggressive stance while pushing keys
Use battle stance unless you need defensive stance to live.
sick sentinel
dorki or something on stream said so and ot get used to dusting out Gdruid
"i have connections at blizzard or somethin"
minor helm
I nerfed pwar sorry guys
peak charm
Having issues with the Ignore Pain WA, its not showing the text its supposed to ...
The Luxthos WA package hasn't worked correct for the ignore pain tracker (the bar, not the icon) since the patch. I haven't really looked into any other tracker yet myself
woven trellis
for real if they nerf pwar enough its not meta in m+ during 2 more years i just vomit
smoky dock
All tanks will be getting dmg nerf probably as for Pwarrior getting a massive nerf across the board to point where they wont be playable or even really used is far from true. The tree for warrior is solid and pretty much makes warriors pretty solid.
sick sentinel
my brain is full of DK now cuz i found out they are OP as hell for leveling
smoky dock
Most trees tbh are solid for tanks besides pallies and druids and that is why they are not looking as strong. And this is coming from a pally and druid tank for 10 years + lol
sick sentinel
only been starting maining tank since BFA launch but there is so much ho learn
smoky dock
We are hmm 2 and half weeks away from launch you will see minor nerfs but nothing crazy only thing I can see and that I have personally read is druids getting a tree rework which already happened and is a joke.
uneven mason
for real if they nerf pwar enough its not meta in m+ during 2 more years i just ...
I hope they do nerf us enough to not be meta
Makes it easier to rank
mellow quartz
my brain is full of DK now cuz i found out they are OP as hell for leveling
Then why are you talking abt it here and not in the dk discord?
peak charm
I hope they do nerf us enough to not be meta
Would honestly rather be all balanced so any tank could be viable, not an actual 'meta' tank for keys.
woven trellis
Makes it easier to rank
i want to chain key, not tag and get declined because warrior isnt meta
uneven mason
Plz don't use the word viable in thus context
minor helm
Viable cause scaling
uneven mason
i want to chain key, not tag and get declined because warrior isnt meta
Have friends
mellow quartz
Would honestly rather be all balanced so any tank could be viable, not an actual...
Not how the real world works
sick sentinel
i pretty much only speak of other tanks when speaking here if not speaking of pwar
smoky dock
@peak charm sadly there will always be "meta" but nothing close to what season 3 and 4 was for Bdk
peak charm
Not how the real world works
Oh I know... That's why I have 1-2 of every tank at max every expansion 😦
mellow quartz
He did use the term viable. All tanks are viable and have been for quite a long time.
uneven mason
Because we're secure in our tankuality and can discuss things objectively
mellow quartz
Nothing to do with meta though.
smoky dock
Agreed but this maybe an unpopular opinion but Pwarriors are not an easy tank to use
uneven mason
Right now we are
peak charm
lol very easy right now
smoky dock
Right now yeah lol in prepatch
uneven mason
It's very hard to get pp slapped as a war right now
smoky dock
Or are we talking about beta?
uneven mason
Yes
mellow quartz
Do higher keys
uneven mason
We're basically unkillable in beta too, but so is everyone else
mellow quartz
Not really
smoky dock
Hmm in prepatch its obviously a joke for all tanks across the board. Beta obviously its a bit different with max tier set with all healers and all dps maxed
mellow quartz
Watched Dorki get ripped to shreds on vdh on the tree boss in AA on an 18 Tyr
People running 15s with no affixes and wonder they don’t take damage is just…
smoky dock
Warriors need to manage a lot from what I have personally seen not saying it hardest tank but for sure not the easiest I think druids are for sure easiest with max of 5 buttons lol
mellow quartz
Warriors need to manage a lot from what I have personally seen not saying it har...
Much less to manage on beta than live tbh.
Less haste slows things down.
smoky dock
I can agree with that
gilded basin
The Luxthos WA package hasn't worked correct for the ignore pain tracker (the ba...
So no way to fix this? Just missing the text https://i.imgur.com/xQSwELB.png
smoky dock
@gilded basin hmm I havent seen a fix so I just looked up a "bar" version of it.
Works the same shows percentage show when at max etc.
gilded basin
Mind sharing the one you're using?
smoky dock
Yes let me log on I will post it in UI-Weakauras-addon discussion
mellow quartz
im in these wow discords, but i never post in them hardly
I had a protein shake for breakfast
sick sentinel
working on maghar and nightborne
smoky dock
I would enjoy hearing @strong forum or @oblique garnet side to where pwarriors are difficulty compared to other tanks.
uneven mason
Easy af
You can just search the word easy with "from nom" and you'll discover this
It's said several times a day
smoky dock
Lol will do
woven trellis
whats disturbing about the whole easy conversation is how perspective bias enter in consideration
because of all that recent talk about how easy pw, youre soon to hear some people than tanking a +30 with protwarrior is, as a whole, an easier feat than tanking a +4 with a DH vengeance
of course im making an exageration but you see where im going with this
people shouldnt pay that much attention about what class is easy and start to understand that the real difficulty is in mastering and predicting the actual content of the game
anyway
smoky dock
I liked that fair enough and too true
radiant magnet
I've played 5/6 tanks on Beta. Skipped VDH. Every tank is viable right now.
Easier/harder is subjective just like fun/not fun
woven trellis
to an extent yes
but also no
you will get consensus in the population about what is more susceptible to be considered fun or hard to master for a lot of folks
and by consensus, i dont mean everyone will agree
i mean you will notice higher tendencies
than others
radiant magnet
still subjective. that's typically just the FOTM kids following whatever stream hit recently
pallid quiver
VDH is the hardest tank to play because you have to throw away all morals and respect in order to play a DH
oblique garnet
I would enjoy hearing <@192743144276623360> or <@143839248422928384> side to whe...
All classes are easy
woven trellis
you guys want challenge? just tank with a rogue
radiant magnet
the times where it's not subjective are generally quite blatant - SL S4 BDK moments
DF S1 will not be that way. No tank is entirely dominant atm.
pallid quiver
Prot Warrior is objectively fairly easy to play atm, especially compared to Season 3 and 4
Something being dominant is 100% unrelated to its difficulty
you wouldn't have top tier, executionally heavy characters in fighting games if that were the case
radiant magnet
the tanks are actually in a fairly balanced position atm. even bear, which everyone is calling turbo ass, isnt bad
boring - terrible talent choices - yawnfest... but playable if thats your world
elder bay
the tanks are actually in a fairly balanced position atm. even bear, which ever...
that's bc ass is ass. you'll still take it.
radiant magnet
If you're trying to decide on a tank, don't play prot warrior because of some tier list. Play it because you enjoy it. If you instead enjoy some other tank more, go play that. "Play what you like" has never been more true than DFs current tank situation.
elder bay
Well said. This is why I still play both my favorites since legion. Bear and Warrior
radiant magnet
and if you're so unable to make up your own mind that you simply must have a tier list - go watch a personality on their stream. in fact watch several until you find one that already agrees with your preconceptions of 'best tank in DF' and go with that
uneven mason
you guys want challenge? just tank with a rogue
Bear tank and maintain 100% uptime in that stupid shit that gives you 10% armor and hp
Gotta time your form swapping between auto attacks
radiant magnet
Good plan, Bear could use a handicap
slow em down a bit
emailing my guy at blizz
uneven mason
Good plan, Bear could use a handicap
It's literally a playstyle
radiant magnet
It's actually kinda fun to dps or heal with a Bear. They legit look like disco balls right now. Just rolling around growling and tossing moongasms on everything. Looks insanely fun.... then you try it
blazing condor
radiant magnet
Still leveling mine in DF. Knowing blizz, Bear will dominate by S4
elder bay
Bear is Bear. We did well in S2 of SL
urban portal
Bear was already pretty good in s1
radiant magnet
I've always like Bear, just think it needs a heavy redesign for DF. Not just a few tweaks or 2-3 talent swaps, but a full do over
sick sentinel
time to lvl another DK i guess,
urban portal
Too late for a do over
radiant magnet
too late for DF S1 agreed. planning months ahead tho. hopefully before I flop over dead
sick sentinel
i can't stand leveling as warlock
radiant magnet
at my age, you enjoy the little things. like Steam version of Dwarf Fortress coming on Dec 6
elder bay
I mean if they buff bear dmg close to other tanks it would be enough to stay in the game
sick sentinel
are u as boomer as ur pfp
radiant magnet
'coming soon' on Steam for a few years, but officially dropping Dec 6
tropic gorge
Oh out of early access?
sick sentinel
maybe he means steam deck, i dunno, there is a ton that don't work for steam deck
radiant magnet
fortress mode only - new graphics, new UI, new sound. like 90% redesign
tropic gorge
Dwarf fortress is often called one of the more punishing games in its genre
Makes me wanna try it
mellow quartz
Love these flat % changes. Resto shaman getting a flat 25% buff lol
loud patrol
hitting more than enh soon lmao
paper coral
fortress mode only - new graphics, new UI, new sound. like 90% redesign
So rimworld. 😛
sick sentinel
i play violent boomer shooters on steam
no chaingun and rocket launcher im probably out
mellow quartz
Serious Sam were awesome games
radiant magnet
So rimworld. 😛
with z-levels and a vastly more detailed story builder for every little thing in the game, but yeah similar
paper coral
I know, i'm teasing.
sick sentinel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adSNh8PCWxM when it comes to jank, i know all the very best of jank
outer thorn
oh no the jesus painting restoration lady is making C&C posters now?
sick sentinel
i played, and beat, this game when it was relevant, around like 2015 ish and in 2020 to 2022
and many other jank shooters
outer thorn
i play Heroes of might and magic for my old school fix
sick sentinel
turn based RPG's turn into i go to deep into the dungeo too fast and oh no the tank is dead.... shit we wiped.... GG
close to what happens on wow
outer thorn
How much AP is orc racial blood fury at 70?
583 according to the slider on wowhead i guess
sick sentinel
there used to be or still is a way to scale items by ilvl and lvl im prety sure so u can view XYZ trinket as lvl 7 or 700, i forgot how u do that
on wowhead
outer thorn
ye there was a slider under the tooltip when you are at the spells page
craggy pilot
holy shit the blizz ui is buggy
lvling is attrocious
my quests keep clipping over minimap
and the grp view keeps bugging so i cant see anyones hp 😄
sick sentinel
thats why my ui is as follows
deep spruce
I've honestly had zero problems with the new blizz UI, its really good, they shouldve changed it and made it customisable years ago
sick sentinel
with edit mode
deep spruce
Super clean
craggy pilot
I've honestly had zero problems with the new blizz UI, its really good, they sho...
so much stuff is still not editable tho, which is kinda sadge
sick sentinel
the new ui isn't perfect, but for many noobs it will be "good enough and exciting"
deep spruce
I'm using aspects of elvui with it, so kinda a mix
but if it wasnt for a couple of specifics, i could live with blizz UI
sick sentinel
i've been using no addons except for identify junk and sell junk and auto repair and all the things
as of late
vital sinew
Moveanything was better, just less user friendly
sick sentinel
ui is 80% where it needs to b if you ask me
"I've been using no addons" except for all the addons i do use.
sick sentinel
no addons that impact anything meaningful anyways
notification sounds and automatic vendor/repair... game breaking...
hard vessel
Super clean
Why are your major def CDs the smallest WA? I always wonder why people do this
mellow quartz
cause they are not rotational buttons
if you hit a button once a minute vs once every 2s why make it larger?
hard vessel
But it's giga important to when this shit is rdy
mellow quartz
you are assuming you can't see it cause its not as large as something else
those are not the same things
for myself for example I have another WA that shows large icons close to the middle of the screen for abt 2s when things with larger CDs come off cd
hard vessel
Ye mine are equal as big as normal rotation buttons, but I don't know for what you even would need an ip WA or execute or revenge WA
pallid quiver
revenge and execute to show procs
mellow quartz
to see if your IP is up and how much is left on it?
pallid quiver
i don't even remotely track IP
mellow quartz
you have no idea if IP is up or not?
pallid quiver
i mean
hard vessel
I only track that's up and how much very small in aura bar, but this buttons is like giga large
pallid quiver
it is up
hard vessel
And revenge, do you guys even think about pressing it? Just slam the button
pallid quiver
until i run into the time where i'm not nigh-constantly dumping rage with IP, I'm not even going to remotely track it
pallid quiver
And revenge, do you guys even think about pressing it? Just slam the button
but like
it doesn't gen rage
hard vessel
Ye but we have infinite rage
pallid quiver
you
hard vessel
Everybody
pallid quiver
you get the infinite rage by pressing those buttons that give rage
mellow quartz
cant slam revenge on ST
mellow quartz
my point is your rage gen isnt infinite
hard vessel
You have a rage bar which tells you when to stop slamming
pallid quiver
but like
why press it over ss, especially in ST
you press revenge to get SS back unless you're in bongo aoe
mellow quartz
I have a revenge button as well and I like to have it as it lights up when I get a proc, if I am watching the WAs that seconds instead of middle of the screen its easier to see
pallid quiver
revenge procs do more damage and are free
both of those matter
if it doesn't cost rage, it doesn't fuel AM or Outburst buildup
so it's important to note that so you don't drop outburst on the wrong spell
hard vessel
Ye doesn't wanted into a revenge discussion to be honest, just talking about these Wa's
pallid quiver
It's important to have that revenge discussion, because that's why those WAs are used
pallid quiver
you need to press Revenge more often than it procs though
you still need to track when it procs, though
craggy pilot
normal UI does that
hard vessel
I mean
craggy pilot
it lights up the Revenge
pallid quiver
That statement literally just ignores what I just argued
craggy pilot
but youre literally pressing Revenge all the time anyway
toxic geyser
Just wanted to clarify that Heavy Repurcussions is better than Fray?
I'm having an argument with a guildie and need smarter people to weigh in
craggy pilot
Just wanted to clarify that Heavy Repurcussions is better than Fray?
I'm having...
both good, depends how your SB uptime is
mellow quartz
SL or DF?
craggy pilot
if you feel you can drop HR you can
toxic geyser
DF
pallid quiver
Just wanted to clarify that Heavy Repurcussions is better than Fray?
I'm having...
Fray's usable atm, but HR is much more reliably and isn't that much worse due to it also giving more rage gen
hard vessel
You should always spam revenge and ip, get rid of wasted Was 🤔
mellow quartz
you 100% need HR in DF
pallid quiver
When DF proper comes, HR by a long shot
There's not enough base haste to keep SB uptime reliable
toxic geyser
So it would also be better now right? Because we have so much haste from Infiltrators?
HR that is
Just more rage
craggy pilot
both are playable in prepatch
pallid quiver
SB uptime can sorta be sketch-ish without HR; I'd say just take HR at the moment, anyway
craggy pilot
depends on legendary use, and player skill
the discussion "which talent is better" is not so straight forward
pallid quiver
Particularly on bosses, you can't guarantee you'll get full stacks of ITF
knotty stump
Are you all experiencing heroic leap activating without having a chance to confirm where to land?
craggy pilot
Are you all experiencing heroic leap activating without having a chance to confi...
yes, but thats because i chose to write a macro like that 😄
pallid quiver
that's been me ever since i started using an @cursor macro, yes
craggy pilot
https://old.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/ypwe4r/back_with_the_wheel_of_destiny_do_you_dare_let/
just decided to spin the tank and melee dps wheel for DF
got Prot warrior and Arms Warrior 🤣
first try on both
i guess its meant to be
knotty stump
That's what it acts like but I'm not using a macro, weird.
craggy pilot
are you clicking with mouse, or keybind?
knotty stump
keybind to activate, mouse click to confirm
pallid quiver
https://old.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/ypwe4r/back_with_the_wheel_of_destiny_do_y...
by the way that's rigged, i got prot war on tank and on the all dps wheel Aff Lock, both of which I already play and love to play
sick sentinel
my assumption about the heroic leap thingy is cast on mouseover option
indigo pewter
is devastator bugged? ran an entire instance without a shield slam reset
mellow quartz
nope
solemn current
Works for me as well
pallid quiver
On top of that, Revenge and Thunder Clap both also reset Shield Slam, so it wouldn't even be Devastator then
pallid quiver
Yeah, so if they really did get absolutely zero resets, it's likely to be more an issue with SS rather than Devastator, since both would have failed
It
might be
I can't remember if it's a passive or anything,
pallid quiver
but main point stands that there's more than just one spell that procs it
urban portal
but doesnt until you get the passive
pallid quiver
is devastator bugged? ran an entire instance without a shield slam reset
hey what level are you?
viral axle
does covenant even actually matter anymore? for keys ranging anywhere from 15-24? i want to finish working on some venthyr transmog stuffs
pallid quiver
I mean you could clear 15s before pre-patch with any covenant, no leggos, so
The higher you go, the better you'll need to play the instance if you're not optimizing damage/survival, though
I'd wager you could still go to 24s fine if playing the instance proper, but I don't do none of that vehn hurt jank
mellow quartz
but doesnt until you get the passive
That is because if you don't take the talent you have the active ability "Devastate" which has no SS reset chance at all, but when you take the talent it turns into the passive "Devastator" which has the 20% chance.
Devastate makes no claim to reset SS
worthy leaf
Can u explain why rend is applied to the entire pack when I never press rend?
mellow quartz
cause you have the talent blood and thunder
on the class tree
and the talent rend in the prot tree
worthy leaf
tooltip doesnt mention this at all
mellow quartz
tooltip on talent says 5 targets but its everything hit by TC
the tooltip on blood and thunder say rend is applied to 5 targets
worthy leaf
Wait just bad tooltip
mellow quartz
the 5 part is just wrong
worthy leaf
Ty I understood it wrong
I thought it meant if I have rend on target it will apply rend to other targets
mellow quartz
it used to
they fixed it
you can remove rend from your bars (still need the talent for it to work)
worthy leaf
they fixed it
Sounds more like they broke it
mellow quartz
nope deliberate fix
as they couldn't fix another bug where it never spread at all which was on the beta for weeks
so they just did this instead which is also a huge quality of life improvement
worthy leaf
I thought that if u had rend on main target it would spread to 5 targets
mellow quartz
read what I said above
urban portal
That is because if you don't take the talent you have the active ability "Devast...
That was what the tooltip says
It was not true
Devastator does not have its own 20%
It’s part of strategist
We’ve proven it many times
It’s very misleading
In shadowlands devastator has that tool tip as well (20% “baked in”)
But in reality that doesn’t unlock until you hit a certain level unlocking strategist
eternal moth
Hey, is it still possible to get 100% banner uptime? I used to be able to keep it up 100% of the time with no trouble at all on dummies, but I can barely manage 30% uptime now on the dummies
urban portal
yes
lone copper
ive had 2min uses of banner
eternal moth
What talents are you guys running? I tried copying some random dudes from the top of the WarcraftLogs rankings and Harldan, not sure what I'm missing
clear spindle
eternal moth
oh, sorry, the pins were completely outdated and worthless until late last night
oh, sorry x2, the pins are still not actually as useful as I was hoping.. so you're saying that just playing exactly the same way as before, using any of the builds in the pinned message, it's trivially easy to keep 100% uptime on banner?
odd tree
Yup, the builds from late Oct that nom posted are good
eternal moth
Damn, there must be something wrong with my setup or with me, haha. I just mashed the shit out of those buttons and barely kept the banner up for 1 minute
odd tree
Yea, we even hit TC more and banner is easier to maintain imo
Still running reprisal? that'll make it even easier
oak echo
i'm assuming this is the case because you said 1 min, but are you positive it's extending? like do you have the unity bug?
eternal moth
haha, dude. Maybe my brain is running at half speed and I'm just waiting between presses or something.. let me compare my casts per minute to some raid logs and report back
I thought that might be the case, but I unequipped and re-equipped just now
oak echo
👍
indigo pewter
hey what level are you?
I think I added the talent while I was in the instance, it started proccing in the next instance.
also in the next instance I did have strategist
maybe that's what it was
pallid quiver
Yep
Without strategist, SS can't reset at all
It's harder to manage in pure ST, I find, but yes
uh
discord where'd that message i replied to go
eternal moth
OK, I dug through some logs, and my shield slam is generating 30% less rage than other warriors
And surprise surprise, I don't have The Wall equipped or talented. Also it looks like Reprisal is completely unnecessary now
pallid quiver
OK, I dug through some logs, and my shield slam is generating 30% less rage than...
Yeah, it's not at all required since we ran it for SB uptime
eternal moth
I'm probably hitting the buttons wrong too, I'll let you guys know if I find out anything useful
pallid quiver
Considering we can get 100% uptime with sheer talents alone, it's not necessary at all for Reprisal; Wall or Seismic save you a talent point to put into something else
I still use reprisal because I'm cheap and don't want to spend money on another leggo
waxen cradle
Just returning to Retail from a small hiatus to grab some gear for launch... what ya think guys shield or chest. Btw I have a 288 non upgraded shield, but my chest is MUCH lower item level
severe hatch
Warrior
Protection
Fixed an issue where Unbreakable Will would trigger from Avatar when was not talented.
Thank goodness all of our key bugs are getting fixed
warm plinth
Just returning to Retail from a small hiatus to grab some gear for launch... wha...
Shield
mighty valley
I'm probably hitting the buttons wrong too, I'll let you guys know if I find out...
tbh I do also find single target banner uptime harder than it was in s4
but aoe is an absolute joke by comparison
paper coral
I got an LFR splintered heart from kaelthas. I had a priest ask me for it and I said no.. am I dick?
vernal vale
tbh I do also find single target banner uptime harder than it was in s4
I do find it slightly harder in single target myself as well. All I can figure is our increased Thunderclap usage from clapper is hitting our rage gen a bit. Though that's just how I feel
toxic geyser
I got an LFR splintered heart from kaelthas. I had a priest ask me for it and I ...
It’s a tank trinket isn’t it?
Also priest already has a cheat death half the time. If he needs two, maybe he should play a different game for a bit lol
paper coral
It’s a tank trinket isn’t it?
Also priest already has a cheat death half the tim...
yeah, thats why I didn't feel so bad. unreleated, some fucking kek warrior got two apogees for weaps and boots and i'm sitting here at 236 weaps
he died so much because bad
hollow token
New here. Quick question. I see on Wowhead most of the suggested builds take rend, but the talent is never mentioned anywhere in the rotation section of the guide… is it part of the “rotation”/priority list at all?
vernal vale
New here. Quick question. I see on Wowhead most of the suggested builds take ren...
Blood and thunder
Applies rend when you Thundercats no need to push the button or have it on your bar.
hollow token
Got it. Thank you!
paper coral
Can we not get Gorshlach anymore?
paper coral
If I have a zenith ampule from RF, do I want to get a shield or a 1h?
Both my weapon and shield are like 230
slender quest
Play some soloshuffel and you have realy fast a 275 one 🙂
paper coral
solo what?
slender quest
Soloranked arena
paper coral
do I have time for that now? I never even considered that
ionic fern
Any gear you get now will be irrelevant in 2 weeks, so up to you.
slender quest
True but o think its fastes catchup gear atm
paper coral
Any gear you get now will be irrelevant in 2 weeks, so up to you.
Would you get a shield or 1h? I know in 2 weeks it wont matter, but it matters now.
ionic fern
In the current state? 1h.
Shield would be the correct choice if it were something else rather than pre-patch where nothing hurts.
paper coral
but 1H because we want the damage for DF leveling, not survivability.?
ionic fern
1h because nothing hurts in pre-patch.
Don't overthink it.
You will replace your weapon in DF with some crappy quest item regardless.
So..generally:
-Shield is your best upgrade due to the defensive value it provides and the limited drop sources.
-Currently why i would pick the 1h is because nothing hurts, damage wise, in the pre-patch, so i would go for more damage myself.
You won't go wrong with either.
paper coral
Thanks Mwahi. preciate the answer.
i'm pushing through the fated quest for dinars. I assume we want an aegis if we can get one.I know on VDH discord it was a "this will last awhile" item
sand pebble
I mean the world whete pwar will ever need trinket for leveling doesnt exist
vernal vale
i'm pushing through the fated quest for dinars. I assume we want an aegis if we ...
RDM is more overall useful as aegis only matters if things hurt
I havent felt the need for an aegis at all up to 25s for m+
sand pebble
I realised how dumb that looked, aegis shield trinket
sand pebble
My bad
vernal vale
We all see you edit lol
sand pebble
At this rate im keeping rdm ows and swapping ows for decanter for leveling
vernal vale
Lol
paper coral
I have two trinks lmao. I have splintered heart and gluttonous spike
sand pebble
Or scars even
vernal vale
I literally will just run my ows rdm until something is actually worth replacing them
Scars could be worth
vernal vale
I have two trinks lmao. I have splintered heart and gluttonous spike
Splintered heart means your making mistakes to proc it thus not playing properly or are pushing way high for keys. Otherwise it's a waste of a trinket
paper coral
Splintered heart means your making mistakes to proc it thus not playing properly...
its likrerally the only trinket I have over 230
it and spikes
once I get something better like ows or rdm, i'll swap for sure
IF
vernal vale
You can meme for damage with a scars at this point. Probably help you a lot while leveling through DF as it adds lots of damage
paper coral
I'd have to get one, yeah. I think at this point i might GET one with a dinars? I have 13/30 for the fated quest.
so just trying to gear up a little before invasions.
and learning to play warrior
sand pebble
Tw, gear up and learn in tw
paper coral
Whats the gear level in TW?
sand pebble
Current leggos and cov stuff doesnt work so it will give you the closest thing to outside of slands
Ummm maybe 236 from drops not sure
You get your free raid piece for doing 5, can buy some nice badge gear and some of the trinkets are pretty decent
tropic star
why do most builds omit battle scarred veteran
sand pebble
why do most builds omit battle scarred veteran
Its mot needed
tropic star
it seems like a pretty key talent for doing harder keys and or progging raid
sand pebble
Will be useful for that reason in df
You not in danger of needing it in keys at 22 right now though and needing it is bad play eg 1 shot mechanics
jagged pier
It wont save u from 1 shots tho
tropic star
sure
progging mythic there are oh shit moments where healers could use a leg up. and first few weeks of keys getting runs down was all i was imagining
knotty idol
If you were going to be killed by an attack would battle scarred kick in and possibly reduce the damage to a survivable amount? As in does the damage reduction retroactively reduce an attack that would kill you or do you need to drop below 30% then take a hit before it kicks in?
ionic fern
why do most builds omit battle scarred veteran
Because most builds are focused for the "Majority" of playerbase.
ionic fern
The majority of the playerbase shouldn't need it. 🤷
If you think you need it due to the encounter, take it.
knotty idol
I doubt we'll NEED it but if it was retroactive it could be used for extra dps the same way a dps player could use a cheat death to gain extra uptime on a boss, for example while proging Jailor I used Rogue cheat death and veil to immune abulities and get a few extra globals in when other melee dps needed to back off
But if it ain't retroactive then this doesn't even matter
somber sky
The majority of the playerbase shouldn't need it. 🤷
as key levels would go higher, would this be a choice?
ionic fern
as key levels would go higher, would this be a choice?
IF you need it, sure.
somber sky
hmm... big pulls would require a buncha defensives. I was thinking strategically having it for those. Unless it's a buff that immediately stops once you get above a certain hp threshold.
little sigil
So if I'm reading correctly RDM with dinar is the recommended first buy if we're looking towards DF launch. I'm relatively BISd out without having used any of my dinars yet so trynna decide what to spend them on now
warm plinth
@ionic fern hi ily
ionic fern
<@238357283996696576> hi ily
warm plinth
how are you my friend
ionic fern
I'm good.
How about you?
warm plinth
Not bad, work night is coming to a close, and I only have one more from-scratch toon to level for my all specs challenge
Technically 2 but I'm gonna use my DF boost on one of them
warm plinth
And then after the 15th we go to 60 on all of the ones that aren't 60
ionic fern
I can't force myself to level even one character from 1-60
warm plinth
It's taking me about 6-7 hours of pretty chill leveling to get from 1-50
ionic fern
You always doing the specific expansion/zones?
warm plinth
On non-allied I usually do exile's reach (though I probably shouldn't have done it because you can't get mail there and thus can't use anniversary or draught of ten lands for that area)
And then I go to WoD and just stay there the entire time
Frostfire>Gorgrond>talador and I'm usually done part-way through Talador
warm plinth
I think WoD is the fastest, followed by Legion
But I've just stuck with WoD because doing the same shit every time makes it faster
Only part I don't like is that I really wish they had flying trainers in Draenor. Having to go back to Orgrimmar every time is really irritating.
DK leveling was so easy though. With winds of wisdom and anniversary buff you end up at like level 25 or some shit by the time you finish the starting area. So after the draenor intro you can go get flying with death gate and have flying from the start basically
livid osprey
Frostfire>Gorgrond>talador and I'm usually done part-way through Talador
How much /played does it take you? Wonder if it's faster than my route with combining Cata and WoD
warm plinth
Let me check, sec
I think DK was my fastest so far (8-50) and it took 6 hours 23 mins /played
That wasn't an optimal one though; I had some afk time in there. For reference I did druid in 7 hours 8 mins and that was without anniversary buff
rain kestrel
For horde i think silverpine forest after WoD intro its a very good route too
And then coming back to WoD
warm plinth
I don't hate leveling in Azeroth; in fact a lot of the earlier toons I was doing, I was just picking a zone off the board and following the bread crumb quests. Made for a nice varied route each time
But with the winds of wisdom and anniversary buff I just wanted to churn out the last several I had to do
So I stuck with Draenor
sand pebble
mop - jadeforest + early summit was pretty fast
blazing condor
meawhile i think i have one other character that ive ever had at max level besides my warr
this was in MoP
no wait i actually have a 200 ilvl monk
we balling
thin umbra
have any of you guys tried leveling a pre-patch prot warrior? this might be one of the worst experiences i have had, missing revenge and thunderclap from the start is rough and even with full enchanted herilooms there seems to be massive threat issues
blazing condor
i feel like leveling a pwarr in general has always felt kinda ass
at least for many levels
jagged pier
U used to get tc at like 20 u never did dungeons until then
So same thing dont do dungeons until u have tc
thin umbra
compared to a guardian druid its a much worse experience
blazing condor
before pre patch doing dgs at 10-20 was fine imo
quiet crane
No way it was ass
You didn’t even have vanguard and you couldn’t have any uptime on shield block and had 0 rage economy including Tc and such for threat
Was actual aids
warm plinth
have any of you guys tried leveling a pre-patch prot warrior? this might be one ...
Huh? You can get both of those abilities by level 14 o_O
thin umbra
yea thats at lvl 14 and there are still major threat issues beyond that
warm plinth
You can't even queue for dungeons until level 10. You can hold off for the 10 minutes it takes to get to 14 if it bothers you in dungeons that much haha.
thin umbra
i think your missing the bigger issue if your a new player this sucks
warm plinth
Dungeons at low levels is always stupid as hell because DPS and some healers are brokenly strong at low levels.
That being said, I just leveled a prot warrior via questing and it was lovely.
blazing condor
if youre a new player you dont really know what to expect anyway haha
and i dont think most new players opt to play and level as tank
either way i agree that if someone does it and its shit
its not good
thin umbra
i think if you come from other mmo's with similar roles and styles its not out of the norm, i think comparing it to guardian and brewmaster its bad
im going to do pally and then dk and then compare again
i think the talents work great at endgame but i think the dungeon leveling experience is way worst now for alot of specs
strong forum
Compared to pre-DF pwar it's alot better
You get bloodsurge relatively early on
And you have IP from the get go, prior to DF you were insanely struggling for rage in aoe all the time and you'd not get ignore pain until level 42 or 46ish
And your only way of sustain would be victory rush, now you get leech and impending victory very early on
thin umbra
BS and Blood and thunder puts you about lvl 30 to finally have enough threat to properly handle the adds, defensively it feels strong the whole way for sure
sick sentinel
As a new player you are usually doing BfA because that's where it sends you by default.
So you don't worry about dungeons
And sorry but nothing matches the booty tier leveling dungeon experience that is Brewmaster Monk
strong forum
I also don't think new players will spend alot of time doing dungeons
But I could be wrong
sick sentinel
Yeah
sick sentinel
You can't even do chromie time as a new player (without a workaround) so it's only BfA into SL currently.
rich lake
I just levelled my warrior as Prot from 10-40 it was fine
Then switched to fury and went questing
You’ve got Whirlwind btw from like level 9 for some aoe threat
When u get revenge and TC just get rid of WW
thin umbra
yea your totally right im not sure what i was thinking
rich lake
I have been doing some SL dungeons as Prot lately too and don’t remember the spec being this fun ever
Im probably not playing it properly tbh but still very fun
tardy lily
Now that Prot is no longer 90+ APM playstyle, i realise that one of my biggest issues so far was that i can't judge how to spend my rage properly. I know, that if I am taking blockable dmg, i should always keep SB up, but i had scenarios, where I have like 2 sec of SB left and were about to cap rage, should I rather then use SB again or IP or Revenge? I feel like having 3 different spenders, and 2 are kinda necessary to go hand in hand für survivability, is making my brain melt.
Plus, theoretically Impending Victory also costs rage and is a good chunk of HP back.
Any tips on how to evaluate better what to press when?
Been only playing Bdk als tank properly ever since WoD, so me simple brain, me see HP go low, me see much of RP, me press Death Strike, gud.
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on the other hand i sometimes am rage starved when i should be having SB up... so idk, i am doing sth wrong probably... is there some sort of "overspending" rage? 🤔
rich lake
If you’ve already got shield block up and about to cap rage, spend it defensively with Ignore Pain if you need to stay alive or Revenge for offence
rich lake
Overlapping SB uses is not good
blazing condor
i mean if you got 2 seconds left then use SB again its no big deal
if youre still in combat
you can always weave in IP between either SB or Revenge since its off the GCD
blazing condor
yeah im still pressing hella buttons
ionic fern
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on the other hand i sometimes am rage starved when i should be having SB up....
Yes.
blazing condor
in theory isn't it even higher CPM since banner is so easy to have uptime on? or did they just nerf banner
strong forum
Also, if SB is about to drop and you're about to cap rage you have 2 options
SB + IP
Or SB + revenge
ionic fern
Either you're not using your generators (especially Shield Slam) on cooldown or you're spamming IP/Revenges too much without any regard to SB.
rich lake
Listen to these people instead of me, I am new to the spec myself
brittle owl
goddamn accountant spec smh
blazing condor
📈
rich lake
Tbf BDK was pretty brain dead with the 4 set
strong forum
Nobody with a brain calls s3/s4 bdk, bdk
blazing condor
--> Death strike --> 
rich lake
Now it’s disabled and you can’t get 100% DRW uptime it’s a bit more spicy
strong forum
That spec was just trainingwheels+rocket boost + swim ring + shallow water
brittle owl
Nobody with a brain calls s3/s4 bdk, bdk
what do you call it then