protection

[last crest]

im 292 and not raiding, so upgrades are mostly weekly chest or swaps for stats

[formal raptor]

what s the main secondary stat at the dragonflight for prot warrior ?

[lofty widget]

strength

[formal raptor]

i mean versa, haste or mastery etc

[cobalt seal]

str

stamina

[strong forum]

ilvl > haste > rest doesnt matter

[last crest]

even for kyrian ?

[strong forum]

crit gains alot of value in DF cuz we have alot of things interact with it

[formal raptor]

ty

[strong forum]

yes even for kyrian

[last crest]

weird, thought i want to stack crit for Unity

[formal raptor]

is kyrian necrolord etc still going on at dragonflight ?

[strong forum]

no?

[strong forum]

25% crit dmg increase for 8sec every 40sec-1min isnt something that makes crit better than haste

haste increases everything we do

more outburst

more avatars

more bleed ticks

more rage gen

= more tanky, more dmg, more guuder

[formal raptor]

prot warrior isnt it to powerful

is it gonna get nerfed soon ?

[strong forum]

every tank is really powerful

[mighty grail]

It was a SL thing only

[wraith hemlock]

You mean buff right? We are weak. Need more buffs

/Jk

[wind oak]

always ask for buff so you can be on top too !

[mortal brook]

Sir

[ebon geyser]

we dont count bear anymore @mortal brook

LOL

[peak bramble]

feral's a dps spec

[silent anchor]

@strong forum do u take haste from affix in keys?

[strong forum]

Ofc

Anything else is trolling

[lofty widget]

crit can be pretty fun

[mellow quartz]

It’s so hard to judge tankiness in DF right now with the BV bug. Kinda frustrating.

Many places where I am going ‘damn that hurts’ I think it would have tickled if BV worked.

[marble cipher]

BV bug?

[severe hatch]

Brutal Vitality stops working once you cap IP, until it falls off entirely

Seeing Red getting consumed at 7 stacks by Tclap is also wearing away at my sanity

[pallid quiver]

oh shoot i forgot to check the brutal vit bug

The T Clap bug appeared to be fixed on PTR when I messed with it yesterday, and Fueled By Violence also heals now

[severe hatch]

Hope they push it to live soon then. I believe FBV is already working on live now

[mellow quartz]

Seeing red bug is fixed on beta.

BV still bugged though.

[pallid quiver]

PTR's in the same state, then; just checked BV

[woeful sphinx]

Any update to Asaspades weakaura? https://wago.io/F__QONWcp
Seeing Red Rage Tracker?

[median tulip]

I really wish someone at Bliz had gone through each class and renamed things so there were no duplicate acronyms

[pallid quiver]

someone posted one earlier; not sure if it was pinned or not

i just manually changed mine

i know, right?

I keep seeing BV and thing Booming Voice

[median tulip]

look on wowhead and in the comments for seeing red there's a comment to tell you which is the new spell ID

[sullen patio]

Are there any other abilites, like charge and impending victory, that could possibly be macrod to one keybind together, without big downsides?

[median tulip]

Yeah same same

[median tulip]

I macro my racial and avatar

[woeful sphinx]

I tried but it's looking for Tier. I don't know how to stop that @median tulip

I'm not smart enough to modify the addon

[median tulip]

get the spell ID from your current weakaura; look at that page on wowhead and see the new spell ID

[chrome falcon]

having two BVs and a BSV isn't going to get remotely confusing

[real fossil]

all you need to change is the trigger for outburst to be called violent outburst

[woeful sphinx]

I still can't find the spell id for Seeing Red

[urban portal]

Just proc seeing red and then check it

[woeful sphinx]

does it change per charge?

[silent anchor]

anyone having fps issues in prepatch?

[knotty idol]

Yo has Brutal vitality been fixed yet?

talent is so dead rn

[median tulip]

Also 2 UFs

[median tulip]

386486

[mellow quartz]

I play UF and I don’t play UF.

[mighty valley]

smart. or wrong. not sure

[median tulip]

that's either very sensible or incredibly stupid

There's also 2 DS, and you could argue 2 FV

[woeful sphinx]

thanks guys i worked it out

it's working again

BTW 386478 is Violent Outburst

you need both

[solid glen]

Hey guys, is there maybe a WA or an Addon to help with spell reflects? Like.. I never know what can be reflected and what can't..

[fallow osprey]

There’s a list in the pins that can help you know what is reflectable

[scenic path]

I loved using this, I imagine it could be updated for DF, and someone is probably already on the case https://wago.io/POcV_KnPi

[solid glen]

Thank you both :)

[hasty socket]

I had one at one point that shouted the spell reflected. couldnt find it anymore. anyone has it ?

[ebon wren]

Upper last boss in a pug. Never get to reflect his blast

[lilac minnow]

I mostly play with guildies, and they never let me reflect anything...

[wild jasper]

what soulbind/conduit comb are you guys running for pre-patch?

[modern brook]

Find a new guild

Friends don't steal friends spell reflects

[deft oar]

quick question that I could find in anything, do we macro IP into shield block, and other ability's. If so what would u recommend?

[chrome falcon]

no

why would you do that

[deft oar]

My idea would be to maintain uptime, I'm new to tanking in general so I wasnt aware

Im assuming theres a bit of rage management issue w/ doing what i said

[magic bolt]

prot warrior doesnt have that many abilities its definitely better to just have a separate keybind for it

ya youd be wasting a tonne of rage

[deft oar]

Appreciate it 🙂

[blazing condor]

just came back to wow from before pre patch is ElvUI just dead or what

cant get it to work over the new blizz one

[solemn current]

Did you delete the old addon and install it new and fresh? Works just fine outside of issues on blizzards end that’s affecting a lot of addons

[blazing condor]

yeah i deleted/updated elvui

[silent anchor]

is anyone suffering fps issues since pre?

i am still running elvui

[oak echo]

mine is the same as far as i can tell. but that is also a known thing elvui does in general

[blazing condor]

yeah my game is just fucked i guess

[silent anchor]

before i wouldnt lag and ran 130fps in oribos, now doing around 60

:/

[oak echo]

just to make sure, did you delete it while wow was closed?

[blazing condor]

yeap

[oak echo]

k. i had tons of issues getting it to work for a few days after prepatch until someone walked me through it so i feel your pain, but that's ultimately what worked for me

i think i even relaunched the game before reinstalling it? then closed it and did the fresh install, but idk if that actually impacted anything

[blazing condor]

imma try some more and see

thanks

deleted and reinstalled and now it works

pog

[solemn current]

Are you on the latest nvidia drivers? There’s a known issue with dx12 games. I had to run DDU and go back to the previous drivers because I also went from 130ish to 60 with drops even lower. I went back to 522.25.

[dry heart]

I get noticeable drops in Oribos and nowhere else really

[oak echo]

^ even GPUs get bored and lethargic looking at it

[uneven mason]

Turn off Vsync

[silent anchor]

it is off

[silent anchor]

yeah 😦

[silent anchor]

wait, how did u go bk one?

[uneven mason]

Yeah Nvidia almost has the crown for shitty drivers but Intel decided to put their hat i nthe Ring

[uneven mason]

Guru3D - learn it, love it.

[silent anchor]

ive been dropping too 25 n below on pulls in dungeons 😦

im on guru3d, dunno what to do now tho lol

[mellow quartz]

https://www.drivereasy.com/knowledge/how-to-reinstall-gpu-drivers-with-ddu/

[blazing condor]

the new visual on when an ability proc looks ass

[silent anchor]

ah so 552.25 is what u went bk too

[peak bramble]

Whenever the DF release candidate drops to live I'm planning on a fresh install

Every new expansion i find it helps significantly

[solemn current]

Yea just follow the instructions above. It’ll clean uninstall your drivers and just search nvidia website for the older drivers to install.

[silent anchor]

ok thanks, ill check that out tomorrow and do that

[jovial locust]

any prot build rn for pre patch kinda bored

[radiant magnet]

pins

[blazing condor]

is there a way to change target castbars in the new blizz ui

i can only change mine and the target's is just all over my action bars

[sick sentinel]

do you use elvui

[gleaming mica]

For your fps issues, try this. It’s /console GxAllowCachelessShaderMode 0

[bold furnace]

is there a hug dps advantage to necro banner vs kyrian?

[oak echo]

Less burst aoe but better everywhere else

[gleaming mica]

/console GxAllowCachelessShaderMode 0

[bold furnace]

i've been playing prot but just did a key with a warrior that pulled like 20k on a 16 junk i was like holy hell. I've been averaging about 15kish

[cobalt seal]

necro banner is superior when stuff doesn't die in 20s

[gentle notch]

It's also incredibly satisfying to keep it running permanently when you got them chain pulls up

[echo egret]

No.

[foggy lynx]

has anyone tested a TR build yet?

[strong forum]

?

[jagged pier]

That is the build?

[strong forum]

Yeah it's the build to run in DF

[foggy lynx]

thunderous roar?

[pallid quiver]

ye

[strong forum]

If you run anything else you're just handicapping yourself at 70

[pallid quiver]

Bloodsurge, big number

I really need to copy-paste that build i keep chucking at people on my phone, too

[marble cipher]

Or ticking sack of terrors (upgradable, 288 atm) for M+ (will have OWS next week though)

[sick sentinel]

for 27 gd this week is it worth to drop unstoppable force to get shockwave for more stops, playing ww, ele, shadow and disc

[cobalt seal]

nope

[open gazelle]

If you had to pick tough as nails or show of force for m+?

[urban portal]

tough as nails

its like 5% of your dps for doing nohting

[pallid quiver]

If you really find shockwave, I'd take some other points from somewhere else, like the stats down there if you have to. UF gives a lot of rage gen as a result of more TC

[pallid quiver]

id simply get both, so im wondering what you're even running

[open gazelle]

@pallid quiver trying to keep bolster but guess you can’t with both

[sick sentinel]

only thing i can see to drop is the leech

[marble cipher]

On topic of Bolster, I see it missing from a lot of M+ builds lately, I know with all the haste and Shield Block talents, it's no longer needed for the "Last stand also grants shield block", but isn't the 60s cd worth taking Bolster for?

[quiet crane]

Definitely not. Last stand is a shit CD and you were only using it for the block uptime originally which is no longer needed. And I’m talking not any time recent when you could run it either

[marble cipher]

I haven't played warrior since BfA, so, apologies if it's been "crap-ish" for a while 😉

[quiet crane]

Yeah has been shit for all of SL you never ran it

[pallid quiver]

The only reason to run it atm is for more uptime on Shadowlands Unnerving Focus, but it's not really that worth it, since it's still every two minutes

[quiet crane]

it’s still again not worth the point

[pallid quiver]

SoF will end up being more damage

[quiet crane]

regardless of the conduit

[marble cipher]

Fair, I'll try and run some dungeons without it, I did already notice I don't really need it for the block uptime anymore, especially with "downtime" here and there due to casting bosses or moving from packs to packs

[pallid quiver]

The worst part is that it's not just leech; it's also a 5% boost to all of your damage.

The opportunity cost of getting Shockeave atm is so high that, really, you don't want to grab it unless you really do desperately need it

[pallid quiver]

If you're running out of shield block at all you should take a look at your rotation/pull pacing in general. You can keep it up 100% of the time with basic efforts on everything that's relevant content atm

unless something im forgetting gors invincible or something but i dont think they do

[marble cipher]

That's even without Heavy Repercussions right?

[pallid quiver]

Biggest concern I guess would be last boss of Upper with the ship travel?

You need generally at least two of the Shield Block talents, with Enduring being the most important

Generally that means ED and HR, but with our current level of haste you miiiiight be able to let ITF rock and keep it?

It also becomes easier to upkeep as well if you're still rocking the Reprisal leggo like me because you're cheap as hell and don't want to make more leggos

[marble cipher]

I'm running ED now, swapped HR to Into the Fray, and I do notice it's slightly more tight to keep it up without having HR (doable, but tight if I get triggerhappy on using SB)

[pallid quiver]

I'm personally still running HR since the rage gen scales with Outburst and it's more convenient overall, as well as likely being the go-to pick in most situations in start of DF

But it should still be possible as long as you make sure to stay in combat to keep OWS and what-not going

[marble cipher]

don't have OWS (yet), bought RDM this week, will get OWS next week

[pallid quiver]

ows sounds like suffering during levelling

I dunno, depends in how much you read quest text i guess

[marble cipher]

what's a "quest text" 😏

follow the arrows brainlessly, read up on the actual story once you're max level and in queue for something haha

[weary notch]

just got a beta invite, strangely. Is there a recommend talent tree for 70? It seems pretty straighforward, I think. Took shield charge and both it's talents, Thunderlord/Booming voice. Do we skip bloodborne entirely for ravager?

On the other side, Avatar / UF, TR/TW. I skipped Honed reflexes for shockwave, but dunno if that's a bad idea. This is all for M+

[mellow quartz]

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUVUgURQRpFRRBENVUVEVFRFVYVUQDQBA

[weary notch]

thanks!

[dry heart]

Does Details! Show your shield block uptime for the overall dungeon or is there a way to specifically see your combat uptime. My Haste is at like 18%, no legendary/bolster and it’s saying my uptime is usually around 70% but is that taking into account time between pulls. I’d like to get that uptime to 100 and git gudder

[oak echo]

the number from details is time you spent in combat

only a log i think is going to tell you overall for the whole key

[odd tree]

Do you log? Best measure for proper SB use is hits blocked under the damage taken tab. Should be part of "melee" I believe.

[oak echo]

^ also accurate

[dry heart]

I do not currently Log I used to mainly dps and decided to give tanking ago when I came back a couple months. I don’t even know how to log tbh

[raven hatch]

I know its prepatch and post season so it doesn't count... but I hit just 3173 rio babyyyyyyy

[odd tree]

I think I use the uploader from warcraftlogs. I highly recommend you log runs, definitely helps if you want to improve certain parts of your rotation.

[ebon wren]

yes under your damage details (click your name in damage done window), go to auras tab, and it will show the uptime % of eveyrthing you used

I can see I have a 69% battle shout uptime in my last run, oops.

[mighty valley]

Details shield block uptime isn't super representative... battle shout uptime is though haha

[dry heart]

Im hoping that’s the case feeling like 70% is really bad so it was a red flag to improve on that but it sounds like without logs I can’t know for sure the uptime

[ebon wren]

70% is low

= 90% better

[dry heart]

I’m thinking it’s probably because I’m not using shield slam enough to extend it or either literally holding charges

[mighty valley]

there are times when you aren't taking any melee hits so don't need to worry about shield block, or times when you might have it up and you're wasting it... details uptime is only a really loose ballpark and could be misleading

ideally start logging, but yeah, outside of big pulls with avatar up you want to prio shield slam

[dry heart]

I’ve gotten into this habit of spamming revenge probably way to much in the dungeons lol

My Revenge damage usually completely trashed my SS

Will definitely start logging

[mighty valley]

Most prot warriors start on the other end

I've definitely had to ease off the revenge gas a little in prepatch, now that thunderclap's somewhat back in business

[dry heart]

How much do you think the 18% haste is hindering uptime with the new talents should it be basically a non-issue

Yeah Thunderclap is pretty nice not to mention revenge increases it’s damage leading to me really pressing revenge probably way to much

[sand pebble]

shield block increases shield slam damage by 30% - there is never any reason to not have as high upotime as possible

[mighty valley]

i'm still a little shadowlands brained where 100% uptime wasn't feasible so you cut corners where you could

but hey, if there's times where you're literally pushed away from the boss and can't get to melee range? details will count that as downtime

[mighty valley]

if you take literally all the sb uptime talents you can 100% should be extremely achievable, then you can drop e.g. Bolster if it's not necessary

[sand pebble]

i by no means am a perfect warrior but over a 15 gr with some deaths - it felt fairly easy

i let the ball drop a bit

[dry heart]

When I run bolster usually mines like around 85-90 but I guess I asked mainly because if bolster isn’t needed I was wanting to improve my play to get as much uptime is possible without it and if perfect/near is feasible after dropping bolster then I need to definitely figure out the way to log and see where I’m messing up

[dry heart]

What was that on?

I don’t know the acronym for gr

[sand pebble]

15 grim rail

[dry heart]

Ah yeah

[sand pebble]

there was some messy stuff with an undergeared group

[dry heart]

Love the train with sanguine

[urban portal]

you should never let charges cap

at least

because you gain dps

[dry heart]

Yeah it’s unintentional if I am doing so

Mostly due to being new to the role and sometimes getting a bit tunnel vision on specific things. Definitely on me tho to fix

[ebon wren]

hey EV the others will yell at me but just make a revenge macro that does /cast Shield Block /cast Revenge. You'll have 90% up time easy. If you dont have rage for block, itll cast the revenge.

[pallid quiver]

@dry heart Like Jims pretty much just effectively said, don't listen to him on that. In terms of bettering SB uptime and the gameplay loop, it's best to think of it as priority number 1 = generate rage, priority number 2 = spend rage. So SS/TC before pressing revenge. This will keep you with rage to keep SB charges rolling and more chances for Slam to reset off TC and (whenever you do get to press it) Revenge. Especially if you're using Barbaric, as it's less efficient in terms of rage spent for the damage than base revenge. You pick it up kinda because you don't press revenge often ( and also because we have a lot of rage)

If you find yourself tunnel visioning on rotation things, you should hit the training dummy. It's not really fun to most people, I'll admit, but muscle memory is one hell of a drug

[dry heart]

Solid advice thanks. I definitely feel like at this point after talking with you guys my main issue is my Revenge to SS ratio. Will probably work on the training dummy also more often it is boring but yeah muscle memory is real

That extra rage drain from barbaric is probably leaving me dry outside of Avatar phase where it’s an absolute spam fest of rage 😄

[pallid quiver]

Your rage will also highly fluctuate depending on if you're in heavy aor or not. You really want to pull as big as possible, as you eventually just drown in rage due to blood surge

after a point, you can kinda just send revenge and tc for your entire rotation as long as you don't need ss for uptime or anything if you've got enough bodies

Also, remember to use IP to ensure you don't overcap rage. It sounds like you won't press it often with this wording, but you end up pressing ut a lot when focusing rage generation

[dry heart]

Absolutely yeah I’ve noticed in my big pulls with surge I get tons of rage to dump into IP to avoid overcap that 1 point into QoL extra 15 rage helped a lot tbh

[pallid quiver]

i refuse to put that point in

i eanna have the funny dumb talents i will die on this hill and just sacrifice muh fingers instead

[dry heart]

I also started out very under geared coming in late to the season so I developed this bad habit of trying to revenge immediately instead of SS because people would rip aggro off me immediately

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, the rage cap increase is super nice

listen that happens sometimes when people just send everything

It's not that bad of a habit since one of your main priorities is to like, actually tank and keep aggro, but you'd likely gain it back via TC in Avatar or something instead; at worse case, you have taunts and challenging shout

When we're at 70, Ravager's pumpin' numbers will also help with that a lot, too

[dry heart]

Ravager trucks

I use it now and don’t use the bugged Violent outburst

It just messes with me to much with the 7 stacks while I’m learning I’ll be honest

So ravager it is atm

I’ve had some weird stuff happen with @ Cursor ravager tho some funny others not

[woeful sphinx]

I can't understand why people are skipping Bolster talent? It just seems VERY good

[jagged pier]

Becuase there is 0 need for it u have 100% SB without it

[ebon wren]

The macro is great to learn a class befor ehigher keys

Idk double. I took it also at first but found I just don’t need it.

[eternal moth]

dude I'm ready for Dragonflight

[pallid quiver]

Because last stand as a defensive sucks and adding more block time in to your already 100% uptime does nothing. All it's good for at the moment is getting more unnerving focus.

Which is not worth it in comparison to other talents

[cobalt seal]

Lol

Nice one

3-5% dmg

Is mediocre

[peak bramble]

I started running bolster just because I got annoyed that LS and banner weren't lined up

QOL > actual player power

[cobalt seal]

3/4 builds

Pick nails

Lets use the 1/4 to say nails is mediocre

Flawless logic

[cobalt seal]

Hmmm

But your banner should just last more than 2m and stay for a entire dungeon if its not workshop or id

LS not lining with banner is whatever

[sick sentinel]

heritage% speed run, 100% LFD

[peak bramble]

yeah I'm not playing ideally I'm just using as a crutch

[paper garden]

banner is going away in a 3 weeks anyways

[sick sentinel]

created him this morning

[peak bramble]

having higher banner uptime was worth the TaN tradeoff until I learn how to play war better

usually it's just me sending banner on a less than ideal pack that dies too soon for me to build uptime

but not worth learning when to send when it's gone in 3 weeks so

once I properly adjust the last week of SL I'll swap back lol

[civic silo]

Is spell reflect showing up in anyone's details?

[errant oriole]

is there an updated violent outburst weak aura?

does anyone know violent outbursts spell id im trying to update my weak aura that I had to track my see red stacks

k ill try it out thanks

[pallid quiver]

You also need to update the rage cost for revenge if you're using the numerical bar one

Either make it dynamic or just lazy hard code itnin

[errant oriole]

not sure if I am using that one it brings up the seeing red icon with 1 2 3 so on so forth then it says SS with violent outburst icon

I think i got it though

[pallid quiver]

Yeah that's the icon one

One tracks seeing red stacks, the other tracks rage spent

[errant oriole]

oh I dont have the rage tracker

[ebon wren]

do you guys bother with fleshcraft

[ornate thunder]

Is it still consuming at 70 and not putting the buff out, haven’t checked in awhile

[pallid quiver]

Other than before the key, never full channel. It's not worth it. You can tap it when moving in between packs for the passive stats

or you can save it for an "oh no bad times" defensive cd

[cunning salmon]

Newer prot warrior here, when using ignore pain is it better to try and keep it up at all times or let it fall and re apply? Does the shield stack if you press it and then use it again quickly after? Or is it capped at a certain amount

[forest fern]

It’s usually capped at 30% of max health I believe

And yes it’s additive to existing active amount

[urban portal]

you usually dont track IP

its a dump for your rage

its only relevant when you are trying to live unblockable damage in super high content

[dull granite]

Speaking of blocking, how does the 30% block value from shield specialization work? Didn't they take block value out of the game and its just 30/60% for crit blocks now?

Also how does it scale with brace for impact, is it additive or multiplicative?

[mighty valley]

Nah, check your shield, it has a block value on it - that gets increased by 30% by the talent

[cobalt grove]

Multiplicative

I believe

(it's been a long day so my brain is just dead)

[dull granite]

so is it 30/60 damage reduced + block value from shield which is increased by shield spec?

[sand pebble]

isnt block value also increases by str

[round socket]

Hi guys, bit confused with people saying Banner can last like an entire dungeon with no cooldown? I really struggle to keep it up, not sure what i'm doing wrong or i'm just missing something?

[dull granite]

I'm confused how shield block value and the 30/60 work together

[cobalt grove]

It's not a flat "boom 30% higher block chance", it's the slight increase of 30% of the block value that you have

As well as a slightly higher chance to block

The block and crit block is basically whatever your block chance is, is just doubled when you crit block an attack.

[dull granite]

ok so its 30% damage reduction, + whatever blockvalue you have from shield/talents, all multiplied by 5% per stack of brace for impact?

Just for simplicity lets assume shield block is up and block chance is 100%, not too worried about block chance outside of shield block

[cobalt grove]

Say your shield had 2500 block rating, you now have 2500*.3+2500 block rating.

[sand pebble]

The block value is increased by one for two points of strength. - is this still a thing

[thin silo]

Block amount isn't a default 30%, it's a sliding value based on your shield Block Value (ilvl, basically) and the level of your target that goes through some complex internal math. This is where "k-value" comes in -- an arbitrary factor that blizz assigns to creatures that boils down to "how effective are blocks against this thing"

[mighty valley]

First off, make sure the Unity legendary isn't broken, that happens sometimes. Then it's just about making sure your loadout + your rotation and CDs are all working to maximize rage generation and you're spending enough so that you never overcap

[dull granite]

mirthstrike, is there a formula or spreadsheet online somewhere where I could see it?

[round socket]

@mighty valley broken?

[mighty valley]

Yeah, if you switch covenant, sometimes the legendary stops working until you remove and reequip it... or something like that, haven't had the bug happen to me before

[pallid quiver]

If you struggle to keep banner up (assuming the leggo is working? I haven't heard of that bug), it means that you're not properly generating rage and spending it, meaning your rotation, prioritization, and reaction timing to SS procs needs some work. The basics of it in Season 4 form is in the pins, but basically you want to generate as much rage as possible via Shield Slam and Thunder Clap so that you can then spend it on Revenge and Ignore Pain

[thin silo]

Found the details on a BfA AMR post so the raw numbers will be different but the formula should still hold:

Block Reduction = Block Amount / (Block Amount + K)
https://blog.askmrrobot.com/diminishing-returns-other-bfa-tank-formulas/

[heavy glen]

what's the reccomendation for cosmic flux spending?

new alt at 251 ilvl these days

3k cosmic flux to spend

[cobalt grove]

That equation is what they still use, because of the nature of that curve.

[thin silo]

The way damage reduction affects survivability, Shield Spec doesn't translate to "30% more damage blocked", but it does effectively mean "30% more survivability (EHP) gained from Blocks"

[mighty valley]

Make your two legendaries at max level, that's about it

You can look through the whole raid set for turning pieces into higher haste pieces but with the tier set bonuses gone it's all a tiny sidegrade

[heavy glen]

wait.... cosmic flux can turn into leggos?

[mighty valley]

291 leggos need soul ash, soul cinders, and cosmic flux

but you can also buy soul ash and cinders with cosmic flux

so they basically just take cosmic flux + vessel item + the inscription things

[heavy glen]

ah, yes. That's right

[mighty valley]

of course all of this is just for the next few weeks

[heavy glen]

I think the "expiration date" on them is like.... 4 weeks now?

"best by" date is on DF launch.

[mighty valley]

3 weeks 2 days

[heavy glen]

yep

[dull granite]

Perfect, exactly what I was looking for. Was scouring youtube and couldn't find anything relevant. Thanks a bunch!

[silent anchor]

Done tht one. No diff 😔

[open gazelle]

Codex still bis trinket ever ever?

Forever and ever

[blazing condor]

i guess reprisal is just overkill rn?

[silent anchor]

it seems my frames have fixed themselves over night, result

[sand pebble]

no its still qol, giving charge more rage upfront and a free revenge + instant sb so you can do a little more damage on pull. Its not needed for 100% sb uptime though.

[blazing condor]

yeah i still use it

[sand pebble]

same

[sick sentinel]

what do you guys think is better as neco prot, Enforcers's Stun Grenade vs. Eye of Command in M+

grenade lines up with banner but idk how str. vs versa. is

[strong forum]

ideally you keep up banner at all times

so you dont care about lining stuff up

eye of command is good on bosses but loses value in packs if you change targets

[sick sentinel]

ic so hard to say hmm, ty for the answers

[iron lagoon]

Has there been calcs about less ehrps on beta for each tank ? Just to know.

[strong forum]

no

thats way too complex of a thing to manage for anyone

it depends on encounter, player skill, group comp, group skill, affixes

gear

yada yada yada

[blazing condor]

tldr; lazy TCs

[sick sentinel]

"only died in the fire 3 times" x to doubt, yeah, 3 times in that dungeon died to fire probably what it means

[blazing condor]

Real

[hazy bronze]

that's what I'm saying. it's how I feel about all those "experts" not writing prepatch apls smdh

[light marsh]

what secondary stat are u taking in m+ haste or versa (fated)??

[cobalt seal]

always haste

[true bridge]

The wrists from workshop that has an on use effect are they worse than wrists with stats? if we compare same ilvl

[languid light]

when do you use Battle/Def stance, or do you switch at all? Guides don't seem to mention it

[limpid anchor]

theres a def stance?

you go def if you feel like you need it

if you are fine, just go for more dps

[paper garden]

@languid light generally I swap when the other tank swaps off, then swap back just before I taunt. With that said, due to gear I have... sometimes I'm a reckless idiot, I did all of Normal CN last week in battle stance the entire time.

[languid light]

thanks!

[sturdy sable]

Ive yet to use dstance in any relevant content (mythic raids and some screw around 18+s)

In df we will probably use it proactively for tank busters or push keys

[radiant robin]

has anyone a nice talent build to level on beta aiming to pull alot?

[uneven mason]

Chances are with the 40% increase in dmg we'll hbe using it more

[lusty hearth]

Guys, what is the best horde race for a prot warrior, last time i documented my selfe was vulpera what about now?

[uneven mason]

Vulpera

[sick sentinel]

Rolling Alliance for Human or Void Elf lmao

Since cross-faction exists now

[lusty hearth]

[sturdy sable]

Not until it kills me

[thin silo]

That's a healer change rather than a tanking change, at least until they decide to gut Indom/IV as well

[radiant robin]

anyone maybe knows a nice talent build for beta leveling?

[lofty widget]

just use the m+ build in pins

[severe hatch]

Weird way to spell Dwarf

[astral crystal]

dwarf gang

[karmic plinth]

worse than stats

[pure citrus]

is gladiator stance back for df?

[misty moth]

No

[pure citrus]

sadge

[ebon wren]

so when avatar up you want to clap every other cooldown. and use revenge inbetween. when shield slam???

[cobalt seal]

You kinda ignoring the part where you tc depending on targetd

[grave crane]

i think it was 6+ targets you just TC and Revenge, under that you still want to SS and TC and revenge, you use SS for priority damage as well and extending SB duration

[mellow quartz]

4 targets during avatar 6 outside

For prio TC over SS

If you don’t need the rage defensively

[sly perch]

I wrote here a few days ago about loosing aggro on my prot, and today I had the same issue. Only thing is that every time I loosed aggro my friend was playing with me (playing dh) and today he died again, yelling at me, and I told him what f…. skills u using?! Found out he was taking aggro 😂🤦‍♂️ Told him take that f….. skill of the bar and throw it away asap

And I watched YouTube clips, I googled, read the info here, read the chat, couldn’t understand what was the problem b4 this 😅

Changed talents etc

[mighty valley]

he was just literally pressing his taunt?

[grave crane]

or was he just doing too much damage?

[modern brook]

I'm definitely macroing taunt onto spenders on dps specs now

[mellow quartz]

when you lose aggro just take a look at the dps meter, is he doing many multiples or your damage at that point in time?

[sly perch]

He was littering spamming his taunt.

😂

He’s new to Wow (and mmo’s) so I can’t really blame him 👻

[raven dagger]

what do I spend dinars on after OWS? Offspec gear?

[mellow quartz]

I have a taunt WA that pops up whenever someone taunts and shows who it was. Further have Vocal raid assist set to announce taunts as well.

[hoary surge]

Is tghis spec GOOD?

[mellow quartz]

No, need buffs

[hoary surge]

Fuak

[solemn current]

Yea it’s unfortunate. Only doing like 25-32k overall in dungeons and I won’t let me heal other people since I don’t really need much of it myself.

[mighty valley]

RDM or aegis are good second trinkets if you're actually doing anything hard, otherwise idk, grab a gavel, not gonna be anything like that for a while

[winged sage]

having major issues with actually doing any worth while ST damage 😄

[mellow quartz]

Hit SS and your CDs as much as possible.

[broken moon]

How much dps are prot warrior doing in prepatch?

[mellow quartz]

This much |—————-|

[ocean bloom]

how is shockwave feeling in beta? idk if rumbling earth is worth it or not

[mellow quartz]

Shockwave is great in keys, the other 2 capstones below it, not so much vs other options.

[ocean bloom]

okay so like

something like this?

or spear

[mellow quartz]

You want thunderous words

[ocean bloom]

ah ok

then what about storm of steel?

[mellow quartz]

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUVUgURQRpFRRBENVUVEVFRFVYVUQDQBA

[ocean bloom]

okay thats close to what i had before, storm of steel didnt seem neccasary since we have plenty of rage

[mellow quartz]

Reducing your damage of ravager is just not worth it. You have better options.

[ocean bloom]

yeah, i assume we could drop indom for DoD if we didnt need the healing?

[mellow quartz]

Indom is one of the best talents in the entire tree.

If you do trivial content where you don’t care abt 10% hp and healing then sure.

Would probably take battering ram or 2 point in bloodborne over dnd though.

[mighty valley]

i never really saw anything like that for shadowlands, just had to kinda learn it

[mellow quartz]

You just learn the important kick with experience and reading the spell descriptions in MDT

‘Oh this just 1 shot me or a dps’ well better kick that next time.

[sly perch]

What about pvp talents for prot? 🙂

Couldn't really find any on wow head or I'm blind

[crude surge]

Do I run berserker or defensive stance?

[mellow quartz]

We only have battle stance and defensive stance. Run battle stance until you do content where you need the extra DR from defensive stance. You can swap between them off gcd with a 3s cd on changing back.

[pale roost]

is unbreakle will lego any good to use?

[icy citrus]

best horde race for m+ guys?

[crimson furnace]

goblin

or vulpera

play somenthing that has zero estetics...

u cant see the x-mog and ur so small that u cant follow ur character....

best race = the race u feel the best moving around with

[icy citrus]

well then my theory falls into water ahaha
i wanter the biggest (tauren) for stun and stamina

[crimson furnace]

good choice

nice utility

depends on what you are after

the differences arent that big between the races as it was a few years ago

..back in my day...

:)))

[pale roost]

does the thunderclap conduit stack with show of force?

[crimson furnace]

yes

[pale roost]

sweet thx 🙂

[chrome falcon]

if you have to ask, you're not doing content that's hard enough for it to matter

no-one is

the difference is miniscule

play what you want

[pallid quiver]

the best horde race for m+ pugs is tauren or highmountain tauren so the pugs don't get lost following you

Preferably with a transmog with shiny, lightbulb-y bits

[icy citrus]

well i didnt do any content with pwarr until now.
but atm i am creating a pwarr for the new season and when ill come to the point when it will matter (and i will get to that point), then i dont want to buy race change.
thats why i am asking it now

[chrome falcon]

you will not get to the point where it matters

because that point doesn't exist

[pallid quiver]

The point where it could ever potentially matter is eaten by the difficulty gap by keys at the very worst. What's most likely is that they don't even provide enough utility to matter in the first place, which is the case for most racials.

If you're really fussing over racials then pick Orc because the stun reduction is useful in PvP if you ever play pvp

[daring marlin]

[limpid kite]

Vulperas for the UwU

[marble cipher]

If I have the choice between crit/haste and vers/haste ring (already wearing one haste /vers one), do I go for double haste /vers rings? (same ilvl)

[grave crane]

I imagine it won’t be a huge dps change either way tbh but I like crit and haste some people like haste verse

[ornate thunder]

Which two trinkets do you go if you're looking purely dps atm?

[urban portal]

scars guardian dps trinket

[vestal moat]

decanter has to be up there too for dps

[balmy canyon]

Anyone else notice that the thundershock pvp talent has infinite range? As in you can apply the root across the map to anyone

[sand pebble]

No cause i turned wm off but ill turn it back on just to mess with it

[balmy canyon]

It was kinda funny in bgs last night, just sat guarding a flag and targeting ppl and hitting them with roots across the map

[sick sentinel]

is it true they are going to nerf warrior

[sand pebble]

Expext tuning but we are still in a grwat place because pf how grwat our talent tree is

[elder bay]

Those are not buffs

Still swamp ass but not turbo swamp ass anymore

[sick sentinel]

dk is so strong for lvling i'll just use them to do all my heritage except a lock i got a 22

throw it in LFD and just does massive self healing, died all of 16 times 10-50

[mellow quartz]

That’s the main reason we take the talent.

[grizzled nova]

IP cap is 30% of max health now ye?

[novel temple]

Honestly we aren’t even that strong and we need buffs

Though in all seriousness, I remember reading from one of the devs that if something was so popular/strong for a class that they would bake it into the class naturally

I wish they would’ve done that with some of these talents

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[edgy bone]

Does this mean I have 100% chance to block spells when I ahve shield block up?

[urban portal]

no

it essentially means now spells are blockable

[sick sentinel]

I wanna say you have 20 seconds to block spells based off of block rating

[urban portal]

subject to block chance and block value

its still not garuanteed unless you have shieldblock itself up

[pallid quiver]

which is what he was asking, so yes, the answer to his specific question is yes, 100% chance to block while shield block is up

[cursive haven]

will the statprio of prot stay like haste/versa or shift more to haste/mastery? just interesting for me cause i wanna multispec warrior. haste/mastery seems pretty good on fury 🙂 ty in advance!

[ebon wren]

i dont see mastery becoming so important as long as we have 100% block

[pallid quiver]

mastery increases crit block tho

as well as attack power

Haste will likely still be the best stat by a decent margin due to it being the only stat that meaningfully interacts with rage gen, but likely not as direly so as before since it's not as vitally necessary for more SB uptime. It's not worth thinking about until sims come out, though, and ilvl will obviously be more important no matter what

[ionic fern]

Haste > Vers=Crit>Mastery

[pallid quiver]

and by that you definitely mean Haste > Crit > Vers because big spiky number go up is feel good, yeah? 🙂

[carmine pine]

Big number does feel good

[warm plinth]

@ionic fern hi ily

[ionic fern]

New picture.

[warm plinth]

@potent anvil @shut summit hello friends, I hope you had a terrific weekend

[warm plinth]

I told one of my friend discords that I can't change my pfp until someone draws me a new one (because a friend drew the old one). And one of them jokingly submitted this. So I snatched it.

[ionic fern]

[urban portal]

crit only gives more spiky numbers

if you want spikier numbers you need vers mastery

[sand pebble]

Does haste make our bleeds tick faster

[urban portal]

yes

[pallid quiver]

ye so spiky numbers go up

my shitpost level is too difficult to understand, it was the instances of spiky numbers increase, therefore go up

[sand pebble]

What haste min do we need to get the most out of roar bleed 2 secs longer

[urban portal]

but i want larger numbers

so i run vers mastery

[urban portal]

haste increases bleeds linearly

[pallid quiver]

That friend deserves a tip for their work. Also appreciate artists and their work

[urban portal]

theres really no breakpoint thatll give you one more tick

there are partial ticks

[potent anvil]

[sand pebble]

Normal with a geared group sure

No

[signal terrace]

I dont think people will accept you but you can try. As a prot tho, no, you'll just die.

[sand pebble]

Id aim for 265+ if pugging

Just run +2

[signal terrace]

Of course they will, unless the other tank can solo it even your friends wont let you tank it.

[sand pebble]

Run your own key, liat as bonus valor

You be 260 in no time

[sick sentinel]

My guild must hate me then😂 tanked a normal run on a 240 bear😂😂

[ebon wren]

I thought prot war was a lot of work keeping banner going. Any of yall have a monk? Tried mine for first time in prepatch and holy wtf its a chaos simulator

[warm plinth]

[sick sentinel]

and does this get modified by SB

[ionic fern]

Huh?
Spell Block = same logic as Shield Block.
Got Shield Block up during Spell Block? Gz, you got 100% chance to block spells.
Don't have Shield Block up during Spell Block? Gz, your block chance is RNG dependant on your mastery.

[stoic smelt]

does anyone here know if dwarf racial (stoneform) still has good value in the DF dungeons?

[ionic fern]

Always.

[cobalt seal]

Not that racials matter

[kindred coral]

Since sims are broken atm what are the sort of go to trinkets besides OWS?

[jagged pier]

RDM, SCARS, Cache (if u can get it), the EQ one from halondrus

[kindred coral]

Ty!

[sand pebble]

its a 10% dr and a cleanse - its always useful, never have to take bitter immunity and you still gain value from the crit bonus

[pale roost]

warrior tanking feels amazing . question about covs. if i cant keep banner up 100%. should i still run it?

run necro i mean

[ionic fern]

Room for improvement.

From improvement PoV, yes, keep at it.
If you don't enjoy the playstyle, swap to w/e.

[pale roost]

thanks 😊

[jagged pier]

i mean theres 3 weeks to go

just play what u find fun

[sick sentinel]

Farmville it is then!

[glacial totem]

Do we allready have any set build for m+ at 70?

Or is it still a work in progress?

[lone eagle]

Mostly the same as raid build

Shield Charge is too good not to take

[ionic fern]

Various options. For example

[lone eagle]

Yep

A lot of people are dropping intim shout for extra rage cap

but it'll depend on the dungeon imo

If you don't need an extra extra extra stop, you might run it

[ionic fern]

You can also drop Pain & Gain or Shockwave for it.

If you want to.

So w/e works for you.

[prisma turret]

hello, there, new to Prot Warr here, mained tank in the previous seasons with +20s M+, always had my eye on Prot Warr, and now I am leveling one, what i dont understand, ignore pain and shield block.. do we use them sperately or sometimes stack when needed?

I am still leveling, but trying to understand how the spec works

[inner hound]

At max level you keep shield block up 100% of the time and ignore pain too. When leveling you won't nearly have the rage or talents for that though. So prioritize shield block

[prisma turret]

thx for the reply, so we will not have rage issue as in leveling

and by keeping the shield block, is it considered same as Prot Pally Shield of Rightous? I main main defensive?

[strong forum]

It's better than sotr, but yes

[prisma turret]

and is the ignore pain like the stagger in Brew Monk?

so it is a combo tank

[strong forum]

Could describe it like that ye

[prisma turret]

makes sense

[strong forum]

IP is our defensive rage dump, to prevent overcapping of rage and for dmg smoothing

The whole goal of pwar is to generate and spend as much rage as possible to fuel the rage machine

[prisma turret]

generator spender

[strong forum]

It gets value through violent outburst, indomitable and anger management

The more you generate, the more CDs you will have, the tankier you will be, and the more dmg you will do

[prisma turret]

makes sense

[zealous willow]

As warrior are fucked more or less from 40% dmg and 40% life buff

[strong forum]

Net equal

All our self healing is %based

[prisma turret]

i think i read somewhere Prot warr is not affected that much

[strong forum]

Ignore pain cap actually got a small buff from it because IP is also based on max hp

[prisma turret]

dont know if it is true

[strong forum]

The only tanks who are hurting because of it are pally and brew

[zealous willow]

dk got buff right ?

[strong forum]

Dk is neutral

[zealous willow]

but i think for meta will be dps check

I'm focused on boosting this expansion and i hope prot warr will be meta so i can play what i like

[prisma turret]

one more thing and appreciate ur replies, i have a friend that used to play warr long long a go, and he said they didnt use to use revenge alot due to rage thristy.. it is different now? we rely on revenge in our spender rotation?

[strong forum]

It's looking to be the best xpac launch for tanks

Ever

(other than bear)

[strong forum]

Revenge is a main part of our rotation

[prisma turret]

ahaa

[cobalt seal]

What

[zealous willow]

U spam so much revenge that u even get tallent that makes it 30 rage instead of 20 , for extra dmg

[cobalt seal]

What does boosting and meta

Have to do with it

[strong forum]

For boosting you were never limited by meta

[prisma turret]

yeah, i am aasking coz i saw our talents havea lot to do with revenge

[zealous willow]

I just said my self this expansion i will be meta slave 😦

[strong forum]

You do you

[prisma turret]

😐

[cobalt seal]

You talked about boosting lol

And then mention meta

[zealous willow]

yeah , cus i want both

meta slave and booster

so if warr is no meta i wont be playing warr

even tho i love warr

[jagged pier]

ok bye

[prisma turret]

i think all tanks can be great if you love to play the specific class, some could do better of course, but all can push high content

[jagged pier]

im sorry but meta slaves ruin the game, all classes and specs can do all content so you should just play what u enjoy

[zealous willow]

It's my first time i will follow meta , it's just iwant to try it for once

Anoni if u want to push hight the effort u put vs meta dps or tank is big

i mean u cant out dps destro warlock or survival in s4 they just delete dungeons

[prisma turret]

i used to play frost mage when it was way out of meta is SL S1 and had CE with decent playstyle, why? coz i love it.
play what you like, always, you will excel and do way much better than meta slaves

[zealous willow]

and most of non-meta dps classes got caried by destro and survival as filler dps 😄

i like ppl that say : I dont play meta im not meta slave and u see his logs other 2 dps are survival and destro

[ionic fern]

And..?

[zealous willow]

It's personal , no need to hate any1 for his class

[ionic fern]

Fact is that like 99% of the playerbase can play what ever the hell they want and be fine.

Be it meta, non-meta w/e.

"Uh,oh, let me re-roll every 2 patches cause insert class/spec here is meta now, so i can perform suboptimally on this instead!"

[prisma turret]

I am new here, but excuse my honesty, you are asking some wrong questions in a wrong place 😄 .
these discords are not to tell what is meta or not, they are places for people who dedicate themsleves to specific spec/class, and willing to give what it takes to make it shine, or even just enjoy it 😄
no personals, no hate, it is just not the place to start a conversation in 😄

[zealous willow]

I come here to ask questionss abt warr and ask opinions how it feels , i never said to someone go play dk or other class

[ionic fern]

Feels good.
Always has.

[prisma turret]

all good dear, all good 😗

[zealous willow]

im warr player too

[ionic fern]

[cobalt seal]

Then play warrior no matter what

[zealous willow]

i learned a lot here abt warr and i improved my self a lot

from ppl here

[cobalt seal]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[zealous willow]

thats why i trust ppl here and ask questions

[cobalt seal]

Especially as tank

You can be top 0.5%

With or without meta

[prisma turret]

and thats the reason we all come here as well, 🥳

[ionic fern]

Lies.
I come here to read some hot takes next to my morning coffee.

[prisma turret]

I kow exactly what you mean, i had a friend main HDH, he was dying to prgress and went into meta S3, switched to Surv Hunter, trust me, he is one of the worst Surv hunters you will ever see 😄

I think it is all about dedication

and tank have more flexibility in that issue

[prisma turret]

😅 another POV

[cobalt seal]

Yes tanks are dif than dps

I can see dps going meta to enjoy

I semi understand dps

[prisma turret]

numbers numbers 😅

[cobalt seal]

I dont understand tanks

Tanks are premium

[ionic fern]

Even thinking about playing meta is wild to me.
I cba gearing more than 1 character.

[cobalt seal]

They will get invites

[ionic fern]

[zealous willow]

Ppl act like brainwashed , i saw that in wotlk too recetly , in s4 actualy i had problems making it into keys (not like big problem ,but they asked for dk 90% of the time)

[prisma turret]

I remember in S1, when progressing my alt, we could rarely see prot warr in high M+, and damn, these guys were try hards, they were insanely good ina period that only very few had trust in prot warr becuase of the meta

[storm merlin]

For 95-99% of players, being a tank is good enough to get you invited to groups.

[ionic fern]

That's the best.

Join a key
Random DPS complaining "UGH, WARRI TANk, SO BAD WHERE BDK"
Watch the DPS die to everything, meanwhile out DPS them.
DPS leaves after dying the 5th time to something avoidable with the good old "Shit tank".

[cobalt seal]

What keys are tou even doing

[prisma turret]

lol, true story, and dont forget blaming heals as well for dying to one shot avoidable mechs :))

[zealous willow]

The problem is escalating to levels where ppl that die in naxx25 to 1 boss mechanic talk abt meta and stuff 😄

[ionic fern]

Naa, i've not seen them blame healers yet.
Mostly just "Bad tank".

[prisma turret]

lol

[zealous willow]

I loved the warr situation , cus ppl used to think warr is bad tank and when u don't die and do some good dps they are like OHHH

[storm merlin]

Invite an off-meta healer and they blame healer too

[ionic fern]

I'll rather invite off-meta DPS'ers so i know they'll actually be good.

[zealous willow]

I played solo 24-25 keys

[storm merlin]

Yeah, off meta dps players are typically good

Because you know they've played that spec for like 10 years

[prisma turret]

normally .. agree, coz these people are try hards, dedicate themsleves to the class, know what they are doing

[cobalt seal]

Thats it?

[zealous willow]

I have a fr who playes demo warlock 10 years and never made alt or changed the spec to affly or destro he is insane in my opinion i can't do this 😄

[cobalt seal]

Those keys dont have invite problems on tanks

You might wait 5m max to get a invite

...

[prisma turret]

i bet that some people who rely on playing warr now, a one very small nerf, followed by a video on youtube talks negatevly, and they mostly will leave .. sadge 😦

[zealous willow]

I never said i dont get inv , its just ppl ask for meta class in m15 even they are brainwashed af

same ppl that pay gold for m15 boost

[zealous willow]

Actualy so many rats playing warr cus of meta is bad , i preffer warr to be like in second or third place just not to be THE BEST rats will go and play dk or vdh anyway

[prisma turret]

agree, and that will make people who main it, they love it, and they know what they are doing

I mean, meta slaves made a lot of bad reputation to certain specs and classes as well

[zealous willow]

I forced my self to play survival and i wanted to puke , no matter how much dps i used to do

But i respect ppl that play meta and do insane performance

As tank u can use them to push fast and smooth 😄

[prisma turret]

If you want to push high high M+ score, you have to rely on few meta DPS, it is not the meta slaves fault, it is the game design fault that makes certain classes easily hitting +100k dps while others kill themselves and cannot reach half of it.

[strong forum]

I mean

Sense literally got R1 title while pushing without priest, warlock, bdk or ww

But yes, in general it is easier if you have good players on meta specs

Obv

Nobody can deny that

Emphasis on good players

[median tulip]

One of the problems is that the meta spec always attracts shit players

[prisma turret]

and here where it becomes challenging

[prisma turret]

agree

[sturdy sable]

Like all these new names in the pwar discord?

[median tulip]

Ofc

[sand pebble]

new warriors arent the issue, its players who come here saying 'top io guy said this', 'you cant do that its not meta' while completely ignoring information made from professional warriors

[limpid anchor]

That’s why ww is probably better than revenge. Don’t listen blindly to the top m+ wars

[prisma turret]

i hope i will not be considered as one of them 😄 I really wish it will not be no1 tank so I wont be consiedred as one of them 😅

[limpid anchor]

[sturdy sable]

Warrior is def fotm

[sand pebble]

took me a sec to realise you meant ww and not monk ww spec

[cobalt seal]

Good

Because the spell is dead

[dull granite]

Where should I put my last three points in the prot tree. High m+ perspective. Is the damage from bloodbourne + tough as nails worth losing bolster + focused vigor + maybe ravager
https://www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAVRUFUERRURpFRRBRNVUVFVVQFQIVAUCRA

[prisma turret]

I have always had eyes on Prot warr tbh, Main prot pally with VDH as alt, DF will be have Prot warr and VDH for the rest of the xpax

[cobalt seal]

And should not be in your bars

[cobalt seal]

You have way more points to spend

Because i have to say

You have some questionable stuff there

[dull granite]

ignore the class tree :) will deff mess around with 10 second kick but will probably only run it 1-2 dungeons

[cobalt seal]

Thats not what i meant

Was simply talking about spec

[dull granite]

what's questionable about it? disrupting shout? no violent outburst?

[cobalt seal]

Jakey knows better than me

[jagged pier]

vigor is pretty much a must have talent, 2 points in bloodborune is less damage then tough of nails pretty much

in m+ and ST u arent taking instigate

u also want punish just for damage

and the wall

[strong forum]

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUVUgURQRpFRRBENVUVEVFRFVYVUQDQBA

This is what you want to run

[jagged pier]

i was getting

there

just trying to explain

[strong forum]

You in your build avoided all of SS dmg increases

[sand pebble]

is batterting ram worth it

[jagged pier]

on ST

yes

[sand pebble]

ty

[strong forum]

You avoided rage gen talents like outburst and ravager

[jagged pier]

doesnt even have crushing force

👀

or forthing

[strong forum]

Generally the build you played can be played, but you're just handicapping yourself

[dull granite]

Is heavy rep really a better choice for m+ than into fray?

[strong forum]

Yes

[jagged pier]

yes

and for ST as well

[strong forum]

You need practically full max haste gear

Before running ITF grants you full block uptime

If you don't have HR, you'll just run into block downtime

[dull granite]

seems like a big dps sacrifice for 100% block uptime

[strong forum]

?

[jagged pier]

no

[strong forum]

No

[jagged pier]

are main damage is SS

having 100% on SB is huge dps increase

[cobalt seal]

rage is dps

block is dps

o_O

[sand pebble]

shield block increases shield slam damage by 30%

[jagged pier]

i mean u dont have crushing in your build so SS will be very much poo poo

[dull granite]

for ST sure, but aoe clap/revenge way more damage

[jagged pier]

but still your top damage

[cobalt seal]

and guess what revenge uses

Rage

o_O

[strong forum]

In m+ SS is still up to 15% of your dmg

If you play well

[cobalt seal]

guess where you dont SS

4+ targets during Avatar

[zealous willow]

1 dumb question do u see any usage of battle scared veteran in rly high keys ?

[cobalt seal]

6+ without

[jagged pier]

thats when u dont use outburst on SS

[strong forum]

You'll run bsv in ultra keys at 70

[jagged pier]

not when u dont use SS at all

[strong forum]

Like ultra ultra keys

[cobalt seal]

:bearhands:

[craggy vigil]

hey did prot warr get a 15% haste nerf or was that a bad dream?

[strong forum]

Bad dream

[craggy vigil]

ok thanks

[jagged pier]

no bear emotes here

[cobalt seal]

you sure?

[jagged pier]

better

[ionic fern]

https://tenor.com/view/dan-op-wereldreis-jejsmajxnej-improvise-adapt-overcome-gif-14339274

[cobalt seal]

when will skyhold

[jagged pier]

never

[cobalt seal]

replace the shitty emotes?

with the clearly superior

bear emotes?

[ionic fern]

For 8$ per month you can most everything you want.

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/elon-musk-smoke-smoking-well-maybe-gif-12516944

[cobalt seal]

look at that, and look at

you can clearly see the superior version

[ionic fern]

Jep.

[strong forum]

To circle back @dull granite, m+ isn't just about who can pad aoe the most, 2-10% haste isn't gonna make or break anything. And that's the important part about ITF, you don't guanratee full stacks at all times. Not having 100% SB uptime is what's gonna kill you in high keys. And that's the build you wanted

Boss and prio dmg is way more important on ultra keys

[strong forum]

And SS is 30% of your dmg in ST

[prisma turret]

why do we use Rend talent while we are not putting it in our bar? 😕

[strong forum]

Pins

[jagged pier]

because TC applies it

[ionic fern]

Blood & Thunder makes TC apply it.

[zealous willow]

What is ITF

😦

[cobalt seal]

look at this people

[ionic fern]

Into the Fray.

[cobalt seal]

explaining stuff people should read in pins

smh

[jagged pier]

mwahi replying to ppl

👀

[ionic fern]

Getting ready for the comeback.

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-jam-cat-jam-head-bounce-kitty-gif-17946989

[zealous willow]

dont point at me i just watched ur video abt warr !

from pins

[ionic fern]

Almost logged onto WoW yesterday as well.

Wild.

[cobalt seal]

https://tenor.com/view/cant-unsee-how-to-unsee-blind-homer-simpson-simpsons-gif-17613101

[prisma turret]

I am asking coz i saw the pins and says you dont need to put it 😐

[cobalt seal]

then you should know why

o_O

[prisma turret]

Yeah i read that, so that is the only use of it, makes sense

thanks for the clarification

[sand pebble]

hey does whoever figured out that thunderstruck pvp talent has unlimited range know if it also applies rend

[strong forum]

Unlimited range?

Thunderstruck just causes people to get rooted for 1 second, nothing else

[sand pebble]

it has unlimited range

[strong forum]

That's just some backend coding

[sand pebble]

you can target someone across the map in pvp, hit tc and it roots them

[strong forum]

To make sure thunderstruck applies to the targets hit

[strong forum]

That's like the biggest bug I've ever heard of if that's the case

[cobalt seal]

it's similar to frailty bug

[strong forum]

Can you confirm that or do you suspect that

[cobalt seal]

xD

[jagged pier]

same bug with rend on beta a while ago

[sand pebble]

someone mentioned it in here last night

[zealous willow]

this is insane lol 😄

[jagged pier]

that it not how it should work

[strong forum]

Very clearly a bug if that's the case

[sturdy sable]

I dont think anyone said otherwise

Just talking about what id does currently

[sand pebble]

ty

[cobalt seal]

clearly a bug

[ionic fern]

But no, haven't tested it myself.

[sand pebble]

i didnt get a chance

[cobalt seal]

it's problem the same problem as frailty

[ionic fern]

My PC is too shitty so i can't render visually that far regardless.

[cobalt seal]

you can SpB and target something really far away

and you would/will? pull the pack

[pale roost]

whats the best build for m+ atm =)?

[ionic fern]

[uneven mason]

So is it intended that the world bosses during anniversary can be solo by a war?

[sand pebble]

haha prolly not

[uneven mason]

Besides the en dragon f that thing

[pale roost]

what potency conduits is used as necro?

[uneven mason]

Took me like 8minutes but dokmwalker doesn't break ip

[sand pebble]

kite them into cities

[uneven mason]

Took less time to just kill

[pale roost]

is ashen conduit worth taking as necro?

looked at a video on a guy doing a 28 and he was using the thunderclap conduit instead

[sand pebble]

maybe they didnt use show of force talent

[jagged pier]

depend on the content

aand what talents u have

tbh

just use the banner one

and armour fragment

[balmy canyon]

For the thunderstruck bug, it does not apply rend or do damage, just applies the root, gives you rage and puts both you and the target in combat

[sick sentinel]

i don't understand how thunderclap is supposed to make things bleed but okay and it works i guess?

( i know about the talent, i just... thematically doesn't make sense )

It's thunder, it shouldn't deal damage at all since thunder is a noise.

Take that.

Should be called Lightningclap

well no then u'd be a shaman

theres alot of abilities that are wierdly worded like that "you grow an additional limb, dealing 123 damage"

what???? how did this extra hand deal damage???

If you grew an additional hand you'd be able to slap more

[uneven mason]

Shockwaves cause internal bleeding

[sick sentinel]

so that makes sense

[marble cipher]

thunder is a noise indeed, but, it's so loud, it hurts your ears (aka, damage) and makes them bleed (aka, bleed)
done.

[ornate thunder]

Corrected

[sick sentinel]

i think ravager should get the bleed effect

because you can have 2 ravager charges, it extends if you do it right, and its like swirling bouncing swords

[uneven mason]

If a thunderclap happened within 10 feet of you, it'd probably knock you out at minimum from concussive force

[sick sentinel]

or like some sort of sharp weapons so as it goes by and hits it makes cuts in everyone cuasing bleeds

If a thunderclap happened within 10 feet of me it'd be lightning within 10 feet of me, so.

[uneven mason]

Generally yes,

Course the clap is the implosion of air fwiw

Which is why tc grip when

[sick sentinel]

thunder clap low chance knocks down targets and (damage modifier) - possible replacement talent somewhere

like a worse unreliable legsweep, but its 360 instead of 180, because its unreliable

[uneven mason]

Chance things bad

Tbh that's the worst part of bear ATM "iron fur has a chance to produce 2" "frenzied Regen has a chance to not consume a charge"

Rather low chance bad

Shield slam resets are good because we have like 5 things that do it

[sick sentinel]

where are you reading about shield slam resets

[uneven mason]

Wat

Not reading playing

[sick sentinel]

sorry, i think i was talking or listening when nome was talking about shield charge and something came up about like in legion maybe shield charge was after u did the charge u got SS resets or somethin

[uneven mason]

Legion charge was glorious

Warbringer f

[sick sentinel]

i didn't play in legion but i got worried that they had changed it from what it was originally slated to be to this legion effect, i some how thought you were talking about this.

[uneven mason]

Non Dr ae stuns

You could intervein the rogue to ae stun mobs in melee

[sick sentinel]

back in cata when excess block turned into crit block and we had black ox statue for taunting adds

them was the days

[uneven mason]

They nerfed this so fast

Literally rebuilt the combat tables to nerf warriors

[sick sentinel]

whats happening then is happening now, did uhh, 60 or so levels in a day on warrior and priest in LFD

[uneven mason]

Our current 2 roll system is because of warrior mastery

It was good though recognizing that the flaw wasn't in the class but the outdated game system

[uneven mason]

Yup, warriors can just mass pull through dungeons

[sick sentinel]

DK but yeah

on 4th DK for lvl 50 for heritage reasons have a 5th ready

[uneven mason]

I'm down to uh kultiras maghar and nightborn for heritage

Will probably just do healers on the kultiras and maghar

[minor glen]

I just finished Dwarf, Vulpera, and Kul Tiran for heritage. Still need HMT...and I refuse to do cripple-gnomes.

[sick sentinel]

then main races

then one of main classes on alliance as boosty boys (not doing 2 evokers....)

[zealous willow]

i miss only suramar race

but idk how to get it 😄

[sick sentinel]

light forge?

this guy is my light forge if ur talking about them, holy hunter

[uneven mason]

Don't even have them unlocked

[uneven mason]

Level in uh legion and do khadgars quest about the strange echo?

[sick sentinel]

my secret to playing those races is i make them tanks or something dead easy

[zealous willow]

no idea actualy i have on 1 char exalted with nightborne and Good Suramaritan but idk what to do next

[uneven mason]

Oh just go to the allied races lodge in orgrimmar

Pretty sure there should just be a quest to unlock them there

I had that with kultiras for the longest time it drove me batty because there isn't really any breadcrumb to send you that direction

Also very pissed that the shadowlands rep don't count for 100

Even the 2ndary ones like court of night

[sick sentinel]

you only get achievements for up to 5 lvl 60s different classes, blizzard is multidollar company guys

[uneven mason]

I'm at 97 and have exalted 3 sl reps and it's not budging

[zealous willow]

i have to do Insurrection

Insurrection acvh to be able to get quests 😦

[uneven mason]

There ya go

[sick sentinel]

i just got sick of not having the allied races or heritages

[uneven mason]

I used to be a rep hungry monster my original main had everything up though cataclysm

Then mists killed me

[modern brook]

I'm still not even cordial with venari

fuck rep grinds

you're nuts for evern considering them

[uneven mason]

The grind in mists was painful

[zealous willow]

allied races dont need rep i think anymore

[sick sentinel]

at least if i roll a kultiran say, and hes a mage and i have no cloth armor sets for my mage i can then fall back on this heritage set and i wouldn't have good cloth mogs cuz i nmain plate and lather wearers say

[modern brook]

i think they were lowered to honored or something obtainable while leveling without effort

[zealous willow]

u just need to have the acvh's

i miss only suramar and im going to do it now 😄

[uneven mason]

Yeah still not going to unlock dollarstore cyberpunk

[sick sentinel]

i just... i did the asmongold thing... human male warrior, herpaderp, the entire purpose was to make the character dumb as fuck, name also being cuz, warrior use all stats but intelligence

and it got so boring

this was back in cata, and he's been like, 4 different race changes now and a faction

[uneven mason]

At least with mechagnomes we know evokes won't be the least played race

[sick sentinel]

i got 2 of them

ones a DK the others a mage, mecha was the second dk

[uneven mason]

You're a serial killer irl aren't you

Only possible explanation for playing dismemberment gnomes

[sick sentinel]

i mean, i'm planning on and doing 5 dk's, so you telll me i guess

[echo egret]

Do we already know our consumable list for DF ? In particular, which phial ?
That way I can train and specialise in alchemy just enough for the (crazy) bonus duration.

[modern brook]

no

if theres a strength one tho

you can safely bet on that

[echo egret]

There isn't !

[radiant magnet]

unless they nerf it, Phial of Glacial Fury

https://www.wowhead.com/item=191333/phial-of-glacial-fury

[echo egret]

How about Eye of the storm ? +132 STR per enemy attacking you, stacks up to 5 times

[uneven mason]

Yeah for m+ that is probably the pure winner

Also for raid tanking the static one

Big main stat for standing still

30min duration

Big wat

[echo egret]

I'll train alchemy just enough to get the two +30 mins duration bonus 🙂

[jagged pier]

its glacial in raid for sure

u dont stand still alot in raid

[echo egret]

Yeah I was about to point out, 5 seconds standing still , never done that.

[jagged pier]

i think of a single boss fight where u stand still at all much

and ive tested them all but last

as that wasnt testable

[uneven mason]

Well then sounds pretty much like they don't want us to use mainstay flasks

[jagged pier]

they probably due but they foget that no one stands still

[sick sentinel]

i hope that design leaks into raids and dungeons

[jagged pier]

and standing still is unfun

[sick sentinel]

with talents that oh, not just 99% of fights use this

[uneven mason]

Big disconnected like in bfa when cauldrons would give us stam

[pale roost]

in gambit. how much % do you need before leaving the murlock area. not including those 4 in the tunnel to first boss.