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vestal moat
timid thicket
What's your gear like and what key level?
amber ravine
How much dps on average are you guys doing right now? Im averaging 13-16k in 18-21 keys, depending on pulls, etc. But feel I should be higher.
just curious if yall are right around there, if so maybe im doing ok haha
quiet crane
20k Upwards. But there is so many factors in determining that it’s not an easy black and white answer
amber ravine
hrm, I havent even come close to 20k! lol
on certain pulls, ofc. but never overall.
strong forum
You should defo be able to pull over 20k in most dungeons
Outside of Upper and workshop
amber ravine
maybe im doing something fundementally wrong then. interesting
strong forum
And maybe streets
amber ravine
ill have to look at talents, and stuff and figure it out.
mellow quartz
pull bigger
lone eagle
I'm just happy that I'm picking up warrior well
had a lot of rank 1 for ilvl, ~rank 3-5 parses last night on my un-optimized gear prot warr
obv prepatch is a little different but
good sign for me to master it in DF
I had a lot of issues playing Reprisal
marble cipher
Not having played S4 at all, I'm currently closing in on my 30 LFR bosses (don't judge!). Should I go for OWS or RDM?
I know it won't really matter much for the few weeks this expansion has left but meh
modern brook
Not having played S4 at all, I'm currently closing in on my 30 LFR bosses (don't...
Unless you really care about your progress in the next 3 weeks please remember that all gear you get will be very quickly replaced by blues by end of November
I'd highly recommend targeting mogs with your dinars at this point
But yeah if you're looking for performance in these final few weeks, ows us a great pick
prisma crane
i agree with this ^
urban portal
the downside of trinkets it that they dont have mog attached
sturdy sable
the downside of trinkets it that they dont have mog attached
Id love to have little danglies on my armour or shield or something
strong forum
Blizz really needs to step up their customisation game
sturdy sable
^
marble cipher
I honestly don't care about mog. I've been running the same one since late WoD 
sturdy sable
I can be a hot cat girl in ffxiv
pallid quiver
You should defo be able to pull over 20k in most dungeons
can't pull those numbers if the entire party keeps insisting on committing mass suicide so you gotta wait or they rage kick you tho
shout-outs to the face pullers who decide to pull literally the entire dungeon for me and proceed to die
strong forum
Eh?
strong forum
I've pugged about 5 times in SL
pallid quiver
i feel bad for any other tanks who have to deal with those guys
fresh oracle
Had a group pull all of attumen's room on my face in like a 19. I hung out and clapped for 5 minutes while they fed the pile their corpses
strong forum
Worst experience, can't recommend
pallid quiver
I live for the horrendous pugs, tbh. It's so funny just trying to see what's going on and why people are like
the fuck are they doing
if you're in it for the train wreck, can recommend
but know it's a trainwreck
fresh oracle
A trainwreck and 10% of the time you get to be the train
pallid quiver
Had a group pull all of attumen's room on my face in like a 19. I hung out and c...
yo i've had this same experience, but in a 15
15s are the best if you're farming for shitshows
outer thorn
I helped some people get KSM, this included a 100+ death sanguine depths but they got it by the end 🥲
oblique garnet
You can solo carry 15s as tank
pallid quiver
I don't even have anything against those guys, Supremo. They at least had the resolve and will to play
pallid quiver
You can solo carry 15s as tank
10/10 this
like all of the shitshow groups I'm in generally only last because I like, just don't die and can kill the mobs, so
outer thorn
this was in s1, there wasnt much soloing as a tank then what i remember
pallid quiver
the times they fail is because everyone else abandons and like, i ain't doing this for the gear so i just go
oblique garnet
S1 depending if it was early or late yes you could
Early with 0 gear sure you couldnt
But with dh and gear it was easy
You could live without healer long enough for your team to be back
outer thorn
oh ye i was bdk so i did that, problem was they died to literally everything you could die to so they kept running back and back and back
pallid quiver
bold of you to assume your team makes it back without dying
that's why you just solo the dungeon ez
oblique garnet
If you did any skips it was doomed in pugs
Which is why i keep saying hold W routes are by far the best for pugging
lusty grotto
for the most part
oblique garnet
You remove pointless deaths to people failing skips and making the runback easier
lusty grotto
it was a nice surprise in s4 to see people ready for skips and expecting them though, especially coming from s1
of course now in prepatch i just hold W
mellow quartz
still no beta notes 😦
oblique garnet
Think enha is still fine
The casino spec was just so stupid considering 4p didnt even work
lusty grotto
shaman disc was having a meltdown according to my rsham
but oh well its expected they would have one
oblique garnet
I mean with good rng enha was just 40% ahead of everything else on ST 
lusty grotto
overreacting is the name of the game
it was
when they did the IO nerf
which was expected
dry heart
In the Details addon under rage generation is “overflow” the amount that over capped? Trying to figure out how much if any rage I wasted
patent osprey
???????????,?
lusty grotto
90% rerolled lmao
oblique garnet
I hit a 50k overall in a lower yesterday <a:catjamhypers:745409048626856036>
Gaming 
lusty grotto
oh, good for you, i farmed the entire season and i didnt get it until 2 weeks before prepatch
lone eagle
Was an experience seeing all the shit people bodypulled
lusty grotto
and also it didnt drop for me, was just lucky someone didnt need it
well i got the workshop ring in vault too
mid season
no socket but i had like 5 sockets in my bags anyway
lone eagle
Yeah a hunter traded me mine
sick sentinel
is ravager worth in keys over violent outburst?
grizzled star
I hit a 50k overall in a lower yesterday <a:catjamhypers:745409048626856036>
Is the vod up from your stream?
sick sentinel
I hit a 50k overall in a lower yesterday <a:catjamhypers:745409048626856036>
imma need that talent page
pallid quiver
Was an experience seeing all the shit people bodypulled
oh hell yeah, JY's been my funny times pug group collection by a long shot
i saw people bodypull mobs i didn't even know existed
like, i didn't even know there was an underground area
steep condor
In my lower today i was pissed at someone who kept pulling more and more mobs - i thought he was chain pulling. It was only later i realised it was completely accidental body pulling.
dense horizon
Hey, good night, how can I extend the duration of the conqueror banner beyond the normal 15 seconds?
ancient cosmos
Man, I'm torn. I love prot but most of my keys are pugged, I've pugged last 3 KSM and 20s, and I literally just hate tanking keys now. I dpsed some keys this season and boy was that fun playing fury. I tank for my guild as well, so it's complicated. Anyone else stopped tanking keys? Lol
mellow quartz
no, why would you stop tanking keys? its the most fun part of the game
ancient cosmos
Mostly because of the pugging component. It's toxic and typically people rage quit and brick keys. Perhaps just a moment of frustration since prot is super fun in beta and prepatch. Felt nice not being the route person as a dps.
peak bramble
Hey, good night, how can I extend the duration of the conqueror banner beyond th...
check the pins, make sure you have unity equipped
mellow quartz
Mostly because of the pugging component. It's toxic and typically people rage qu...
people wouldn't be toxic, quit and brick keys if you played fury instead?
ancient cosmos
Good counter point. Maybe I'm just internalizing blame as a tank.
ancient cosmos
Do you all also play dps to see what others are doing with routes?
That was one of the most interesting parts to me, seeing what vastly different routes other tanks use outside meta
peak bramble
I find it more efficient to watch streams/yt
the ability to pause/fast forward is useful for learning
ancient cosmos
Thanks all, this helps. I think I do ok but don't push super high. Any tank streamers you recommend? Warriors would be great but any solid M+ tanks that give good commentary?
ancient cosmos
No, I know these, I mean moving forward
dense horizon
check the pins, make sure you have unity equipped
👍🏼
ancient cosmos
Thanks
patent osprey
Is the vod up from your stream?
Yeah last nights VOD I was playing with a crit/dps focused build with leech for AOE. And I was generally doing quite a bit, even with a high push group I was doing 33k + Overall in a gambino
Never Defensive stance 🙂
azure ivy
Never Defensive stance 🙂
I have yet to hit d stance lol. 33k is nuts and I thought my 25k in an 18 gambit was good haha
mellow quartz
the bigger you pull and the less the murlocs run all over the place the more dps you will do
azure ivy
the bigger you pull and the less the murlocs run all over the place the more dps...
Now that makes sense. Locking this in.
chrome falcon
^
your overall dps isn't just a function of how well you pressed your buttons
it's also how well you pulled
fewer, bigger pulls will make your group do significantly more dps than going one at a time
gleaming mica
For those doing high AoE DPS, you using ravager or doing revenge/thunderclap?
sand pebble
both
ravager+avatar empowered tc on cd and all rage into revenge + dumping excess rage into ip off gcd
chrome falcon
For those doing high AoE DPS, you using ravager or doing revenge/thunderclap?
ravager is only one global
ebon wren
hmm bigger pulls = more damage. clever gonna try that
sand pebble
ravagers damage isnt the factor - you want the rage gen so you get avatar back faster
15 lower overall, huge pulls (i cleared behind stage after first boss for lols
aoe breakdown
gleaming mica
Still trying to get Warrior figured out for DPS wise. Pure tanking, I’ve got that solid, now need to focus on relaxing on tank and more pushing DPS higher.
ebon wren
shield charge?
ebon wren
eh point better elsewhere still
sand pebble
so disreguard the fact i was testing how shield charge fits into a rotation while also using it as a stun so i didnt talent for stormbolt or shockwave, but where is the talent point more useful
modern brook
ravagers damage isnt the factor - you want the rage gen so you get avatar back f...
Ravager dam fucks
It's like 500ish ap of damage
grave flower
Are y’all dropping indom for ravager? Or what
urban portal
do whatever you want
fathom moss
Man, I'm torn. I love prot but most of my keys are pugged, I've pugged last 3 KS...
I feel that lol, I tanked for like 4 years but recently been doing DPS because doing a shit ton of damage feels more impactful then doing a ton of damage as a tank
gleaming mica
I feel that lol, I tanked for like 4 years but recently been doing DPS because d...
When I was solely VDH, in S3/S4, only 3 specs were doing more damage than myself. I think doing a ton of damage as a tank and still being unkillable is far better.
fathom moss
When I was solely VDH, in S3/S4, only 3 specs were doing more damage than myself...
Maybe in pugs, but when you're doing pretty high keys and everyone is actually pulling their own weight, it just isn't even that close anymore
grave flower
Vdh still pretty unkillable rn
gleaming mica
Maybe in pugs, but when you're doing pretty high keys and everyone is actually p...
Pugs at 25+ keys is still the same as a set group doing same key. If you time it you time it and still being the heat.
grave flower
fathom moss
Yeah I agree on that, just like, I just felt like as I climbed higher and higher, just having DPS push as much damage as possible mattered the most, so I just ended up becoming a DPS player
gleaming mica
Vdh still pretty unkillable rn
Yeah, I’m trying to learn Warrior so I can branch away from VDH but still miss it so much.
grave flower
Good tanking affects dps in a positive way.
gleaming mica
I’ve always had a minimum of 1 DPS below me. Never fails.
grave flower
Effects? Damn English as a first language
fathom moss
I’ve always had a minimum of 1 DPS below me. Never fails.
Sounds like you just played with some bad dps
Once you get to a certain point the Tank is pretty much always below all 3 DPS (assuming meta comps)
azure ivy
do whatever you want
The best thing to do, I’ve learned that in 15s-18s you can easily get away with trying new talents or trying whatever build you want.
severe hatch
Where are your dps landing on 20+ keys? Just did 22.6k overall on a 21 GD
I was below our dps but not by much
gleaming mica
Non meta classes will do maybe a 1-3k more than that Auld.
That’s about 20-23 ranged keys
fathom moss
Where are your dps landing on 20+ keys? Just did 22.6k overall on a 21 GD
I've been doing around 20-24k most keys atm on my Prot
Thought my friend did a 20 Grim this morning and went full monka DPS and got like 30k overall
severe hatch
Wow, that's pumping. Guessing some double pull action was involved
gleaming mica
Good ol S2W
ebon wren
i dont what world you guys live in where tanks pumping 20-24k is normal. I'm assuming this isn't pug land
gleaming mica
You think tanks should only be doing like 15k?
mellow quartz
man the beta has just been down forever....
outer thorn
Am I counting this right? To theoretically reach 100% Avatar uptime with Anger Management you'd have to spend 700 rage during the 20s it is active, or an average of 35 rage per second?
mellow quartz
sounds abt right
sand pebble
i generated 500 rage over 20 secs in kara, it might be possible with enough mobs
mellow quartz
50 mobs would give you 37.5 rage per seconds from bloodsurge
humble tundra
is it possible to have a help/harm macro with a shift modifier? For charge/intervene and shift to do shield charge?
modern brook
uhhhh probably
you probably just want shield charge on a seperate button and treat it like the damage cooldown it is
mellow quartz
#showtooltip Charge
/cast [target=mouseover,help,exists,nodead]Intervene;Intervene
/cast [target=target,harm,exists,nodead]Charge;Charge
you can put in shield charge instead of charge if you want it would just not be a good idea
think of SC as a damage button in your rotation
not mainly as a charge
median tulip
running out of hotkeys!
Yeah, that can be a problem as Prot Warrior
humble tundra
🙂 . Still waiting on our other person to decide if they want to tank or lock. Getting things ready for tanking
median tulip
I would recommend getting an MMO mouse; I use a Logitech G600. A fancy keyboard with extra buttons is good too; I use a G910
sand pebble
i ahve same setup, shift key on mouse is amazing for shift modifiers but i only use 6 of the 12 buttons on mouse, 1-5 on keys and e / shift e
median tulip
I find that the mouse buttons are good places to have things that are mouseover or cursor targeted, so it has stuff like charge, intervene, interrupt, heroic throw etc on mouse
mellow quartz
I use a normal mouse with nothing bound to it other than autorun. All I use are just alt and ctrl modifiers
ebon wren
yes
quasi pine
That wasnt a helpful response lol
autumn atlas
Don’t need it on your bar lol
celest glade
Does anyone have a spell reflect weakaura that includes tank-specific reflects as well as others? I'm using an outdated one only for dps.
mellow quartz
Wowhead says beta is now listed as release candidate
Interesting
No warrior tuning
scenic path
mellow quartz
BV is still bugged in this build 
grave flower
someone have a link to their dungeon build? Want to see how some of yall set up
severe hatch
I feel like I'm building up incorrect muscle memory trying to play around this damn Outburst bug
orchid mural
mmmk
I use a macro that has intervene, charge, and shield charge. a good idea is to put hte actual shield charge icon somewhere else on your screen, so you know when it's off CD. then just press the same hotkey when cozy'ed up to mob, as shield charge has no range 😉
edgy bone
Where are your dps landing on 20+ keys? Just did 22.6k overall on a 21 GD
aS A PROT WARRIOR??!
How did you do 22k as a prot warrior
sand pebble
this is a bad idea - use shield charge as a dps cd
sand pebble
How did you do 22k as a prot warrior
you press buttons and do lots of damage
no magic or cheat code needed
sand pebble
pull more mobs
edgy bone
what build are you running
sand pebble
press avatar, tc, revenge
severe hatch
aS A PROT WARRIOR??!
Yep, 294 ilvl
severe hatch
No, no one plays reprisal seriously in keys any more
edgy bone
I'm playing this
sand pebble
yes im playing reprisal, if not id be playing siesmiz
edgy bone
how big are you guys pulling
sand pebble
edepends on key size
edgy bone
how many packs at a time
severe hatch
Here's the juice
sand pebble
first pull gambit in a 15 this week is 2 packs in front then the pathing mobs then the giant as 1 chained pull - pull 2 is 2 packs to left and the roaming one - 3rd pull is next 2 packs - could pull more but fishsticks
severe hatch
Mostly single packs, pulled the entire last cart together though
paper coral
Question for ya'll. I'm trying to get my gearscore to 230 to get into LFR. am I better off running some random heroics, or is there a way in Zereth Mortis to get my shit up there? I'm missing a trinket and shield slot
sand pebble
mobs after first boss are 1 pull (including both shrouded) then 2 packs on shoreline as 1 then last pack with boss - prolly could do all packs on beach with boss tbh
severe hatch
ZM vendor sells 226 gear for anima
sand pebble
crafted gear at 236, 1 piece at 262
sand pebble
just run +2's for gear, you can tank them in whatever you are wearing
lfr can be shit if you are undergeared
edgy bone
Here's the juice
What is fusion burn, and are you staying in Bstance most of the time?
paper coral
Do you guys prefer The Wall build, or Seismic Reverb?
edgy bone
Do you guys prefer The Wall build, or Seismic Reverb?
Theyre the same thing
because you get the other from your talent tree
sand pebble
bstance all the time, upto 20 keys if geared - use it as a mini def cd when needed then back to bstance
paper coral
bstance all the time, upto 20 keys if geared - use it as a mini def cd when need...
Yeah, i was running defensive the whole time till recently Bstance helped
edgy bone
bstance all the time, upto 20 keys if geared - use it as a mini def cd when need...
Dude my mythic+ rating is 2700 and I have everything timed on a 24 but never come close to 25k dps
18 is like my highest
im not saying you're lying
i'm asking you to teach me lol
urban portal
the thing about keys is that
you dont need to do dps
until the HIGHEST of keys
its just about living the mechs
obviously dps matters
but that relies on a tank that can stay alive while pulling large
thatll increase your dps infinitely more than doing minor optimizations in your rotaiton
steel juniper
What would you follks say is the best resource for learning to play Prot?
ruby berry
Time
dim lark
Deep
sand pebble
i'm asking you to teach me lol
Are you able to pull more so more die within cooldown of not just yourself but dps cds
fathom moss
until the HIGHEST of keys
Ya you can kinda get by as a tank with mediocre DPS, as long as your pulls are good and you use DPS well, you'll literally time everything 30+ easily with whatever DPS you pull
scenic path
What would you follks say is the best resource for learning to play Prot?
read wowhead/iv, watch streamers, idle this channel, play
ebon wren
18 is like my highest
Thing about DPS, is that others high dps actually elevates your own. When packs die faster, you optimize cooldowns between packs with your burst. When you're in a low dps group (ie. pugs), the long time to clear packs sogs everybody's overall dps way down. So seeing 30k dps is kind of misleading, they're very optimized and syncing cooldowns together. It's not a solo performance that brings out that dps, its a group effort.
edgy bone
Are you able to pull more so more die within cooldown of not just yourself but d...
What does this message mean
fathom moss
30k is both misleading but it's also not, like it's dependent on dungeon first off, but it's representative of how well you're playing (like in terms of pure dps) assuming you have good DPS
ebon wren
Do you guys prefer The Wall build, or Seismic Reverb?
wall is lol, shield wall every 10 secs or some shit idk
edgy bone
Thing about DPS, is that others high dps actually elevates your own. When packs ...
That makes sense
fathom moss
I wouldn't sweat on it tho, usually it's just a matter of hitting your buttons more, and then more so just pulling better, maybe mixing in some DPS trinkets, not sitting in D-stance etc.
ebon wren
you dont need to do dps
damn this is true. but its just not as fun :/
severe hatch
What is fusion burn, and are you staying in Bstance most of the time?
Always battle stance, Fusion Burn is from my crappy weapon Fusion Hacker. It's actually a DPS loss compared to the secondaries I'm missing in AOE
sand pebble
What does this message mean
So if 10 mobs die inside avatar and then you pull 10 more without avatar - you cpuld pull 20 mobs inside avatar meaning more overall damage was done inside buffs - its the only way to increase dps after correct rotation
edgy bone
So if 10 mobs die inside avatar and then you pull 10 more without avatar - you c...
oooh
lyric lintel
Hello, what shrouded buff is the best for prot war is it haste?
livid osprey
Highest aoe DPS rotation is to just weave thunderclap into every other gcd with Avatar on, right?
mighty valley
Hello, what shrouded buff is the best for prot war is it haste?
Yep
south zealot
Highest aoe DPS rotation is to just weave thunderclap into every other gcd with ...
ideally revenge thunderclap spam
but yes thunderclap every other global
lyric lintel
Thanks !!!
dry heart
Is enforcers stun grenade any good?
glacial totem
Is there any new rotation guide out for Dragonflight yet?
ionic fern
Both, Icy Veins and WoWHead guides should be up to date with your "base" rotations.
strong forum
Is enforcers stun grenade any good?
One of the better trinkets from m+, but pales in comparison to raid trinkets
runic tundra
One of the better trinkets from m+, but pales in comparison to raid trinkets
OWS and RDM stil lthe bread and butter pairing?
simple kiln
I'm new as a warrior, I'm a bit confused with Shield Block and some sheet in ressources here. If I understand well, Shield Block blocks only "simple attack" in melee (not spell or something like that) ?
ionic fern
I'm new as a warrior, I'm a bit confused with Shield Block and some sheet in res...
Yes,Shield Block only works on physical blockable attacks.
Against magic damage we have Spell Reflect,Shield Wall,Demoralizing Shout etc.
dry heart
One of the better trinkets from m+, but pales in comparison to raid trinkets
Thanks do you know if they are making any changes to how trinkets drop or what not in Mythic + or will Raids still be necessary if the BiS drops there
warm plinth
@ionic fern hi ily
warm plinth
whats +15 ilvl rn?
288 end of dungeon
blazing condor
thanku
storm flicker
As a zandalari troll, which LOA do i take as racial buff?
brittle owl
gonk 
strong forum
Thanks do you know if they are making any changes to how trinkets drop or what n...
They aint changing that, if you want the best trinkets in DF s1, you need to raid
Trinkets rn are disgustingly powerful on beta
Like, the new scale grants an absorb as large as your HP pool and does phat fucking dmg
In my AA run it did like 5% of my dmg
Aka 3k dps
rocky sphinx
pallid hollow
Do any of you uses defensive stance/
jade pulsar
Do any of you uses defensive stance/
Swapping to it when tankbuster is inc, otherwise almost permanently in battle stance
limpid kite
On lower karazhan horse boss
sand pebble
On lower karazhan horse boss
thats what shield wall is for
pallid quiver
I like the idea of trinkets being able to pop and bringing unique effects, but it kinda sucks when they're all blatantly outclassed by ones only grabbable from a single form of content in the game, even though there's three general end-game activities they advertise
hazy thicket
Like, the new scale grants an absorb as large as your HP pool and does phat fuck...
The decoration of flame?
iron lagoon
Hey, would you consider beta prot to be relatively easy to play compared to other tanks (in m+) ? I hesitate between this and bdk but bdk is kinda hard to play compared to other tanks in general. And 8ball question but as i see everyone says pwar is maybe gonna get nerfed in a possible future, what would you think is the "problem" and the thing that could get tuned down a bit ? Just interested to know as i never really played pwar and didn't really followed df changes
hollow loom
Hey, would you consider beta prot to be relatively easy to play compared to othe...
I would think Bdk is easier for new tanks then prot war tbh. As a newbie u should not play proactive and instead play reactive tanks. Or bear idk. My humble opinion atleast
iron lagoon
Oh yeah ? There is much minigames in bdk gameplay (icy talons stacks, ossuary, tombstone, constant need of staying in dnd in all situations, etc) that i feel it's not very beginner friendly
While s3-4 was drw 90% uptime spamming hs
hazy thicket
Go with your gut, this whole reactive Vs proactive thing is bollocks, regardless of what you are playing you have to understand your toolkit, how and when it is effective and learn encounters to apply that knowledge
lucid bough
Never been easier playing prot war
iron lagoon
Not really new tank but i'm pretty casual, spammed a ppal s3 and did like 19 max before getting bored. It was so satisfying mashing the buttons without it being difficult to play. Played brew and bdk too s3
hazy thicket
It 100% depends on your goals, you can achieve that feeling by playing literally anything but only doing 10s
hazy thicket
Honestly the best advice is to try and work out what you think might be fun, and put the time in to get comfortable with it
strong forum
A well played bdk plans their rotation a good 6+ seconds ahead
Pwar gets massively easier in DF
iron lagoon
M+ tuning is weird in df, but talking about now (if now we had a new season with same scaling to illustrate), i would like to push like 23-25 max if possible
strong forum
Or well, already is easier
It's hard to evaluate pushing keys rn
They just buffed all dmg intake by 40%
iron lagoon
Compared to s3 i mean because now people do 35 it seems
lucid bough
People PUG 32s+
strong forum
Compared to s3 i mean because now people do 35 it seems
They didn't buff dmg intake in SL, only DF
But yes, pwar is rn a very very good tank to push and play
iron lagoon
Yeah forgot they changed that. I'm not gonna play or push in prepatch but they looking good in df
dry heart
If most of your gear is decent but your weapon is lacking is that a big detriment to your damage?
Does anyone know how much weight the weapon has on your dps
sick sentinel
Im scared for tuning rn.
Are Vdh and Pwar most likely to get nerfed?
jagged pier
doubt it
warrior is the only tank to actually have tuning parses
we've had 3 comapred to the other tanks which all pretty much got 0
iron lagoon
Also forgot to talk about the most important thing, played zandalari and the tclap sound (or hammer of the vertuous for pala ) is so fucking annoying. He screams like an idiot all the time. Which race does feel good for it ?
alliance or horde
mellow quartz
Dwarf
strong forum
Does anyone know how much weight the weapon has on your dps
Very big
Going from 226 to 304 weapon is a 100 % increase
dry heart
Damn
sick sentinel
weapon 226 to a 304 is like going from a cheap pocket knife to a longsword
dry heart
And the shield is our main source of defense
Shield slam damage has nothing to do with the shield though it’s based off your weapon correct?
jagged pier
well shields give strength
dry heart
Yeah that makes sense more strength the better
jagged pier
But does ss damage scale of block value like it used to? No it does not do that
But u get more damage reduction with more block
So u want higher shield us all cases
inner hound
Isn't the formula for attack power still dps*6 + strength? Then 226 -> 304 weapon would only be equivalent of gaining 300 strength, no?
sick sentinel
id argue a bit shield slam damage and pink prot shield slam should probably be partially based on block value
block is such a weird mechanic in wow...
strong forum
Isn't the formula for attack power still dps*6 + strength? Then 226 -> 304 weapo...
Weapon dmg scales all dmg from physical dmg dealers
It's not just raw atk power/str
They made that change again with the launch of bfa
Weapon is the single biggest contributor to your dps as a non-spell caster
dense pivot
yeah, those formulas from datamining are a bit misleading
I think it's just one term in true formula with weapon damage alongside it
median tulip
Regarding M+ in DF proper, the max vault reward is for running +20s, right?
deep spruce
Yeah I believe so
radiant magnet
Regarding M+ in DF proper, the max vault reward is for running +20s, right?
Correct. Useful reference for comparing reward item levels. Forget who originally posted it, just relinking - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AALKJEGU_PJmurTubS8JbFrV8CRN5H7XCKgYeQ2lFhM/edit#gid=988230328
median tulip
Running 8 +20s in week 1 will be a fun challenge
cobalt seal
You cant
mellow quartz
Takes 2 weeks for m+ to open lol
mellow quartz
Will be interesting to see what the W1 affixes are.
ocean reef
5 tank m+ meta first week is easy +20s
oblique garnet
What is the point to delay so much m+
Its new expansion
ocean reef
What is the point to delay so much m+
Its at the same time as raid
So you can't just giga gear before it starts
oblique garnet
^
oblique garnet
Average casual andy takes a week to lvl
zealous willow
btw any1 tested leveling in DF is it slow
zealous willow
lul
strong forum
Cuz we have flying at level 61
zealous willow
i guess im farming gold then
cobalt seal
Very likely
Unless we rng out
But yeah
The number oh people that do 1 20 first week of m+ is really small
oblique garnet
5 tank with 0 gear in week 1 is probably gonna be bit harder than normal group
strong forum
Well
Gearing is uncapped day1
The secret to +20s week1 is just grinding
alot of grinding
oblique garnet
Normal amount of grinding tbh
strong forum
Maybe for you demon
cobalt seal
5 tank with 0 gear in week 1 is probably gonna be bit harder than normal group
Also depends how valor works
median tulip
So my plan is: 1/ level to 70, 2/Spam Heroic Dungeons until geared enough for M0 3/Run M0
strong forum
You can run M0s insta
jagged pier
the only reason ppl used to run hcs
is because m0 wasnt open striaght away
u had to wait for the first reset
strong forum
Well, and because there's nothing else to do
strong forum
You can't make me
jagged pier
median tulip
I'll also probably level my Hunter which is my Mining/Herbing character
oblique garnet
need mats for bs work orders
Need profession guide for dummies
agile elbow
Just buy mats someone else's bot will always farm them for you 🙃
jagged pier
Need profession guide for dummies
brah i duuno about profs at all
ill figure it out
just post things on the board init
with my mats
so ez
oblique garnet
No
oblique garnet
cobalt seal
Bear emotes good
jagged pier
but it will only be a few that have and they expect cro can be trusted
cobalt seal
<:revenj:928584583908298812>
The bear version is better
oblique garnet
And?
median tulip
Bear isn't better at anything right now
sweet summit
late can we have clueless
ocean reef
Erga can we have DoS
sweet summit
u don't have a sub...
ocean reef
I do wtf..
sweet summit
wtf
ocean reef
Yeah so am I
oblique garnet
late can we have clueless
What is that
ocean reef
Clueless
oblique garnet
No
sweet summit
oblique garnet
And few others
sick sentinel
Average casual andy takes a week to lvl
doing 80% quest and 20% dungeon i went from 10-20 20-30 in both ~2 hrs per block each, 30-40 3.5 hrs and hunter is lvl 45 ish now
this is the past few days
elder bay
Slyhold emotes suck
hardy snow
I dont know how about you guys, but im gonna miss necrolord's banner. It was fun using it.
glacial totem
When do you guys refresh IP - when it runs out, a couple thousand before, when is it best to refresh it?
oak echo
i think i'm indifferent about it. the move speed is always nice but i'm all about having that keybind freed up
you refresh it when you need to dump rage in between gcds
median tulip
When do you guys refresh IP - when it runs out, a couple thousand before, when i...
When I need to dump rage to avoid overcapping
glacial totem
lol seriously? im not max lvl yet so I dont really know, but what you say is that even if we pull big, we still keep it up like all the time, it never falls off before it falls of by itself? I mean falling of from mob dmg
oak echo
at least in prepatch rage gen is so high that you are pretty much never going to be in a situation where it "has" to be refreshed because it would otherwise fall off
at least in a m+ setting that is. idk about raid or if the answer changes there
strong forum
lol seriously? im not max lvl yet so I dont really know, but what you say is tha...
It does fall off, but you spam it so often that its still up most of the time
glacial totem
im just going to be doing m+, so that answer suits me good 😛
stat priority is haste, crit (mastery and vers is not really mentionable right?)
median tulip
lol seriously? im not max lvl yet so I dont really know, but what you say is tha...
You will find, at high levels, that your Rage generation is seriously high to the point that you never have to worry about IP falling off, only about using up all of your Rage generation
mellow quartz
stat priority is haste, crit (mastery and vers is not really mentionable right?)
Why wouldn’t they be?
median tulip
stat priority is haste, crit (mastery and vers is not really mentionable right?)
Stat Priority is Block Value > Strength > Haste > Everything else
misty moth
Crit and vers are similar in value from what I've seen talked about
glacial totem
Why wouldn’t they be?
I just thought so, from what ive seen on the WWW
median tulip
It's pointless trying to micromanage secondaries beyond Haste; just wear your highest Strength & Haste gear and let the rest of your secondaries fall where they will
modern brook
stat priority is haste, crit (mastery and vers is not really mentionable right?)
Ilvl> haste>all
The icy vein guide used to have a great break down on why each stat was good and when you would want to prioritize it
But idk if that's gone with the df changes
mellow quartz
Don’t bother thinking abt stat weights. Just sim for damage (once sims work again) with your top gear in multiple situations that fit your use case.
I.e. don’t just do a 1 target 5min sim for use that as a basis for keys
glacial totem
Stat Priority is Block Value > Strength > Haste > Everything else
Is there equipment that increases Block Value in DL?
glacial totem
DF*
median tulip
Is there equipment that increases Block Value in DL?
AFAIK just Shields and talents. Unless there's a trinket that does (I haven't really checked the loot tables)
The main reason I put Block Value on that list is for vault rewards; if the vault offers you a Shield upgrade, you take the shield upgrade. There are no exceptions to this rule.
median tulip
Shield upgrade is more important than anything
delicate thorn
More shield then less dying
ionic fern
Weapon upgrade?
I'd take weapon, ngl.
mellow quartz
Shield upgrade is more important than anything
If you just run 15s a weapon would be more important
delicate thorn
ydy
lapis gazelle
Shield is 250 valor to upgrade while a wep is 1k, pull a wep from vault lol
hardy snow
just get both weapon and shield 311 through mythic tokens and no need to care about valor/vault
bold furnace
vault be cuckin on the regular tho lol
sick sentinel
might be a noob question but after watching the video about maintaining conqueror's banner but he also talks about not sitting on 2 charges of charge
Disclaimer i've only begun prot war like tuesday, My issue is when doing some 15s i sometimes cant seem to be able to get out to charge without intervening on a caster or jumping out, some mobs follow just too fast, or some bosses model are big enough that i cant seem to get 8yds out cause they walk towards me when i'm 1cm away for the model circle
bold furnace
i still rock elv
misty moth
The UI meta is whatever you are comfortable with and gives you the information you need
Elvui still exists, though
bold furnace
dont get me wrong the default ui is nice but i missed all the info Elv had laid out
hardy snow
might be a noob question but after watching the video about maintaining conquero...
Intervene to range then charge back is quite good tactic, leaping away as well. Note that during fighting pack you can charge to the caster/ranged mob, that usually stays in place for a longer period.
You can also try playing with different legendary, as due to new talents tree its much easier to maintain banner without reprisal, which makes gameplay quite easier in this manner.
scenic path
is ElvUI still a thing with DF UI changes
I dropped elvui
Just using WA and plater, working great.
bold furnace
I dropped elvui
Just using WA and plater, working great.
a good plater profile is ❤️
sick sentinel
Intervene to range then charge back is quite good tactic, leaping away as well. ...
that was more to optimise my shield block uptime
but ty
my main issue is on bosses like just now the upper 3rd boss serpent thingy
no way i could get far enough to charge back
modern brook
is ElvUI still a thing with DF UI changes
The meta is use elvui but not yet cause updating it daily is cringe
median tulip
Shield is 250 valor to upgrade while a wep is 1k, pull a wep from vault lol
1h weapons are 500
modern brook
That video is with reprisal which you shouldn't need any longer to maintain banner uptime
So charge weaving/intervening should not be the cause of your banner going down
hardy snow
that was more to optimise my shield block uptime
keeping up block is also now easier with these talents, especially with heavy repercussions and enduring defenses, you can also try bolster to help you out with that
And on bosses if you want to use charge its good to move away when boss starts some cast (note that there are some casts that doesnt stop boss from moving).
blazing condor
The meta is use elvui but not yet cause updating it daily is cringe
based
proud hull
is there a good resource somewhere on here with builds that people have made in beta/prepatch?
blazing condor
i wasn't planning on playing DF so i haven't cared to read up on anything about it or about Pwarr and now that ive gotten it i am completely Clueless 
proud hull
(that isnt wowhead)
modern brook
Pins
modern brook
i wasn't planning on playing DF so i haven't cared to read up on anything about ...
Now we can play together poggers
blazing condor
Now we can play together poggers
misty moth
(that isnt wowhead)
There are builds in the pins
lapis gazelle
1h weapons are 500
Nice, but that’s still double the price of shield so I’m pulling a wep but you do you
sick sentinel
So charge weaving/intervening should not be the cause of your banner going down
it isnt this was more about #protection message
sick sentinel
keeping up block is also now easier with these talents, especially with heavy re...
aight i see, i just followed a guide on talents and didnt take heavy repercussions
but wondered about it cause it seemed great but the talent trees i saw had into the fray instead
which also seemed great
sick sentinel
i had 80% block uptime on that last key, purposefully dropping it sometimes like if a boss casted/no melees or movement etc
(on the bosses in question)
but i aassumed i had to get as close to 100% as possible
modern brook
Actually if you're running reprisal ITF is probably right
mellow quartz
i had 80% block uptime on that last key, purposefully dropping it sometimes like...
You are just trolling then.
SS does 30% more damage with SB active
sick sentinel
mmh forgot about that
mellow quartz
And SS is your majority damage on ST
sick sentinel
i did state ive been war since tuesday and 60 since maybe one and a half day 😓
still a lot to learn to know the insides and out
strong forum
Atleast you have better uptime already and understanding of that mechanic than some rerollers.
"don't need it"
Why don't you keep up Banner? "don't need it"
uneven mason
Why don't you keep up Banner? "don't need it"
These guys are going to have a hard time when content gets rebalanced to actually require gameplay
Which we're already seeing that come down the pipe
With the health healing and damage
cobalt seal
These guys are going to have a hard time when content gets rebalanced to actuall...
no they wont
they just gonna get carried by the team
as they always are
uneven mason
I guess it depends on where the tuning stops
modern brook
they just gonna get carried by the team
or they'll just blame the spec being bad and reroll to monk again
uneven mason
or they'll just blame the spec being bad and reroll to monk again
#thedream
ember tangle
rage sucks anyway, i play therapy warrior, get out my aggression through words
my taunts are amazing though
strong forum
Who needs dps output
You're a high rio tank
All you do is turtle and pretend you're doing well
torpid tiger
for the tank warrior what talents and conduits do they have to take that I look at and in each place they put something different?
ocean bloom
how does BSV work? if we go from 50% to 0% hp does that hit get the dr?
strong forum
I've not tested it recently
In its first iteration it didn't proc on the hit that hit you from 50 to 0
strong forum
for the tank warrior what talents and conduits do they have to take that I look ...
I've linked several builds in pins, pick one that you like
uneven mason
how does BSV work? if we go from 50% to 0% hp does that hit get the dr?
It didn't bracket at first, chances are it still won't
Course the likelihood of something hitting us that hard
If we're getting clapped for 50% at our current reduction levels that would be very close to just flat 100% on another tank
mellow quartz
Unless it’s a magic hit with IP down.
uneven mason
Unless it’s a magic hit with IP down.
"IP down" you make no sense
mellow quartz
We are talking DF not SL I assume if we discuss taking BSV. Might be cases you pull big and IP gets consumed by stuff and then you get hit by other stuff 🤷♂️
uneven mason
True, yeah magic would be equal on other tanks
Would still require a colossal chain of fuckups to eat a hit like that
strong forum
Yah
mellow quartz
Didn’t say it was likely
strong forum
But vdh is in a unique position
Where they can have dumbfuck uptime on insane DR
Like talking 80% DR against everything
mellow quartz
But if you pull big enough in a high enough key, bad shit can happen lol
uneven mason
Do they have double magic DR again?
uneven mason
Womp
strong forum
Frailty is insane
strong forum
Imagine a mechanic that:
A) grants Dr against the target
B) grants dmg increase against the target
C) grants a heal from taking dmg from the target outright
That's frailty
And it stacks
mellow quartz
Sounds like blue dnd for bdk (except then heal part)
viral arch
Imagine a mechanic that:
A) grants Dr against the target
B) grants dmg increase ...
you forgot the leech part of it
uneven mason
prisma crane
but we cant keep bleed removal talent >.<
uneven mason
"hey what if we combined sotr, with wog and death strike"
uneven mason
Sounds cheap, druids pay 11 points to have a thrash that hits like wotlk lacerate
minor helm
(In a video game)
mellow quartz
(In a video game)
If you want to you can try outside
urban bane
Yeah the frailty rework is pretty amazing. Makes DH a lot of fun to play. I’ll probably level and maintain both war and dh.
The only downbit I’ve noticed about dh is in the CDs as you start rolling your frailty it can be spooky. But im sure that’s skill issue on my end, too.
minor helm
If you want to you can try outside
That an invite?
misty moth
mandl can't read
? The way C is written makes it sound like the DH taking damage heals them, but frailty is leech. Mandl is right
mellow quartz
That an invite? <:peepoBlush:818323879315505233>
Sure, go into the woods and try it with the first bear you find.
oak echo
please record. for science of course
cobalt grove
We have those kinds of bears in wow too
They're called kul tiran
And kul tiran druids are just bear bears
Extra rage gen if you can manage it
Was a bit easier with intervene as a baseline ability because you could intervene a range and charge back to the target
oak echo
yeah best thing you can really do now i think is either walk away from a caster or something and charge that or leap out and charge back in immediately
cobalt grove
Yeah that's what I was going to suggest, heroic leap away and then charge back. Easier to do outside of bosses with positional requirements where you're the only tank.
Like in raids if you're not actively tanking and you have the freedom to move away (except in those pesky fights that require you to be so close to the other tank for a cleave soak).
drifting fable
you dont need intervene
sturdy sable
Was a bit easier with intervene as a baseline ability because you could interven...
You never wanted to do that
drifting fable
just charge a caster, shockwave and charge
sturdy sable
Thats a waste of uptime and a revenge proc
sturdy sable
Weave charges in-between enemy casts every boss has one
foggy lynx
is gluttonous spike any good
delicate thorn
As gluttonous spikes go, it's the best.
severe hatch
Compared to the good trinkets, its shit
foggy lynx
i just got a 304 version its seem ok but not sure how often it procs and all
cobalt grove
I'm using a defense matrix and ows
foggy lynx
ive got OWS and RDM
severe hatch
I would not pick a 304 gluttonous spike from my vault. Tokens would be better if you're still missing sockets
If you got it as a straight drop, have fun but prepare for disappointment
foggy lynx
ive got all my sockets and it didnt come from my vault got it as drop in raid
severe hatch
It was terrible even in S1 and S2 introduced the most OP trinkets we've seen all expansion
edgy bone
It was terrible even in S1 and S2 introduced the most OP trinkets we've seen all...
Do you pull the ENTIRE moroes room in lower karazhan?
severe hatch
I'd start by pulling half and half and see how that feels
severe hatch
IMO what a lot of tanks aren't aware of is that the trash above Attumen is basically free compared to everything else in the dungeon
I route Opera > Die > Pre-attumen trash > trash above attumen > kitchen > moroes > pulls up to maiden hallway > invis skip entire hallway
wary heath
you guys still doing much retail content? i've devolved to just mount farming and alt leveling
calm before the storm
ionic fern
Haven't done much retail content for...2 months now.
But pre-patch is just a time to have fun and do dumb crap.
Since everything is broken.
Except for bears.
radiant magnet
keeping those mission tables rolling. best part of SLs.
delicate thorn
On as many chars as possible
barren dagger
How much actual value are we likely to get from Reinforced Plates (+20% Armor) > Armored to the Teeth (+Str = 4% Armor)?
I don't have Beta Access and TBH I can't remember how much armor my moderately geared Warrior has ATM, but +20% doesn't feel like it will be significant enough to justify the point.
We aren't like Bears that have historically been pretty close to armor cap several times.
misty moth
Justify which point? Because armored to the teeth is required for avatar. So if you want Avatar you don't really have a choice
barren dagger
I mean for Reinforced Plates specifically
I saw that Llarold took it in all three of his Wowhead builds
lofty widget
cause you want avatar and honed reflexes is a dead talent
strong forum
How much actual value are we likely to get from Reinforced Plates (+20% Armor) >...
20% armor is fuckloads huh
We are the armor king
Attt is a huge contributor to our overall dmg output
We have baseline more armor than vdh has with demon spikes
chilly brook
We get a lot of armor, so like idk seems like a no brainer even without reading the guide
But what do I know
strong forum
And more armor than a bear with 1x IF up
lean talon
i want to change to tank from fury for m+ but i dont know the pulls well enough
is there a guide for pulls for current m+ rosters ?
lean talon
im afraid to break peoples keys
muted dome
Hello, fellas protection pumpers. I was wondering, in your opinion and after more mythic+ than me, which legendary would you pick between The Wall and Seismic Reverberation? Obviously, the build will change. Or you boys are running different legendary/builds for different dungeons. Talking about pre-patch.
slender blade
or do your own key
chilly brook
Legitimately don’t think about bricking keys. Just pull packs in a linear fashion, get comfortable with tanking and then start worrying about the fancy shit
It’s basically impossible to brick a key if you just play the key linearly
Although if you’ve been playing fury you should have a decent idea of routing and pack pulls already
misty moth
Yeah more often than not keys go sideways when people try to be optimal and then lose time when it goes wrong
Unless you're planning to jump into like +20s with no tanking experience
chilly brook
I mean even 20s rn
slender blade
Hello, fellas protection pumpers. I was wondering, in your opinion and after mor...
The wall is fun for prepatch. Pinned build for it and it is quite fun.
lofty widget
Hello, fellas protection pumpers. I was wondering, in your opinion and after mor...
if you play wall leggo you take UW talent and seismic talent, if you play seismic leggo you take wall talent and you get a free point in the class tree, rest of the tree is the same
west prairie
in a burst, is roar or avatar + shockwave more dmg overall
muted dome
if you play wall leggo you take UW talent and seismic talent, if you play seismi...
UW? Finding it difficult sometimes with the abbreviation. Sorry.
lofty widget
unbreakable will, other option to the wall talent
sick sentinel
it used to make SW party wide at half effectiveness and 1 more charge
still 1 more charge, but instead, 30 second less CD
turns out, having everyone has 25% all dr kinda overpowerd
modern brook
Yeah more often than not keys go sideways when people try to be optimal and then...
Shout outs to people expecting me to invis pot a 12
sick sentinel
good lord i wish more people understood how stealth and invis works
some get it, some don't
outer thorn
good lord i wish more people understood how stealth and invis works
it means run towards the guy with the blue eye over it right?
sick sentinel
oh shit i aggroed something in the dungeon on my rogue and im going to vanish, but oh no the takn just came back and attacked them or i got healed and so now they are on the group and the group is angry at me
ocean prairie
guys in DF will we have near to 100% shield block uptime? If so, would it be feasible to just macro it to Shield Slam?
jagged pier
No
U have 100% uptime if you use your stuff correctly
If u macro it to SS your gunna Sb when you dont want to use it
And so you wont get 100%
ocean prairie
ok thanks a lot
sick sentinel
possibly rogues and hunters and druids, other stealth things and items and events
if you see a player that has invisible/stealth effect, they have transparent closed eye above their heads when its you and they are close by
like a universal signal for that im in stealth now
uneven mason
TFW you want to run some dungeons but the wife is home sick and doesn't approve of wow during work hours
mellow quartz
grow a spine?
severe hatch
The reward vs. pain ratio just isn't there
However we are the IP tank so just go for it
magic bolt
Tell her Wow during works hours still leads to more work done than being sick during work hours
uneven mason
grow a spine?
She's been trained in the art of Cisco administration and will use it to disconnect the ports wow uses just so I brick my key
From her phone
severe hatch
That seems... extreme
uneven mason
That seems... extreme
I have an extreme life
radiant magnet
Tell her your girlfriend is cool with wow during work hours
severe hatch
But I guess this is #protection and not #relationship-advice
severe hatch
Tell her your girlfriend is cool with wow during work hours
This is the way
wary heath
you guys like endurance training or 1 point in overwhelming rage?
uneven mason
Tell her your girlfriend is cool with wow during work hours
Irony she used to be the girlfriend that was cool with wow during work hours.... how I was deceived.
mellow quartz
She's been trained in the art of Cisco administration and will use it to disconn...
hard to sound more beta than that 
uneven mason
hard to sound more beta than that <:clowning:745703559202603121>
Except by using the word beta to describe someone
mellow quartz
great comeback indeed
sullen patio
How will rage generation early in Dragonflight feel compared to now in pre-patch? The same or slower?
uneven mason
How will rage generation early in Dragonflight feel compared to now in pre-patch...
A bit
severe hatch
Somewhat slower due to no banner, though shield charge and ravager will help
uneven mason
But you're not going to be starving
Just go to a non SL zone and fight a raidboss
It'll give you a solid feeling of how rage gen will be
sullen patio
Just go to a non SL zone and fight a raidboss
Thats a great idea, i will do that to get a feeling. ty!
uneven mason
Since conduits and legendary items disable
The nzoth invasion world bosses are good for it
wary heath
it used to make SW party wide at half effectiveness and 1 more charge
was this nerfed? it reads exactly the same in the talent tree on live
wary heath
shooooot. Are the wowhead trees updated with current builds ?
uneven mason
Maybe
wary heath
What was replaced with it, rather ?
uneven mason
Nom is good for updates
chrome falcon
no lol
the CD of shield wall being shorter makes IO better
IO is worse because you can abuse the party DR less
wary heath
oh i see
uneven mason
Still waiting for this masterpiece to get made into an emoji, can call it "Nomgusted"
chrome falcon
no me gusta?
wary heath
when you ask a question you know very well may be located in the pins, and you see nom typing
sick sentinel
was this nerfed? it reads exactly the same in the talent tree on live
yeah, gone in beta last i heard, but thats fine, the new one isn't so bad ii'm guesing
blazing condor
ok fellas
how different is rotation and play in DF compared to now
asking for a friend
sick sentinel
Still waiting for this masterpiece to get made into an emoji, can call it "Nomgu...
nome when yogi is typing
uneven mason
What was that horrible trinket that was daily discussion...
sick sentinel
i like the stand in fire dps higher bfa one it was a mask icon red i think, use it and get some buff probably haste for 20 seconds, lower your hp was, more stat u'd get, used that alot, it's not one ur talking about, but there is a shit load like that which are just horrendous in SL
uneven mason
Scars?
sick sentinel
gatgoyle heart and blade kit were main offenders, but later on its now the owl trinket, the auto attack one, and codex which are horribly bad trinkets
real fossil
How is the balance in this prepatch between m+ tank damage? Survivability? Where we at
tropic gorge
What was that horrible trinket that was daily discussion...
Soleh? From streets iirc
sick sentinel
scars is alright but its a bit put the clown make up on, sort of weird onet to play around if u ask me
like, you can actually run scars and not be laughed at,
tropic gorge
I'm running a no legendary load out currently. It's so glorious
sick sentinel
Soleh? From streets iirc
so'leah was very good, only a small stat buff and very boring, but 30 muinute buff to get any stat i want? hell yeah
thats the entire friggin dungeon
outer thorn
Would second wind activate if all damage you took during 5 seconds was completely (absorbed)?
uneven mason
Would second wind activate if all damage you took during 5 seconds was completel...
Iirc yes
sick sentinel
how come no beserker stance for warrior no more since legion and still i guess
chilly brook
Second Wind is big poopoo
sick sentinel
beserker stance for dps specs at least
chilly brook
Only ever worth taking as a dps and even then it’s only taken in extremely specific boss fights because it’s buggy as hell
Painsmith for example
The constant ticking aoe damage doesn’t count towards the “taking damage” portion of it
gusty perch
Anyone test out how our situation feels with the new stam/mob damage changes? Seems like we are slightly weaker now but not too bad
chilly brook
Anyone test out how our situation feels with the new stam/mob damage changes? Se...
Considering there hasn’t been an opportunity to test it until this weekend……
sick sentinel
what i learned about dps warrior painsmit from watching asmongold pug mythic painsmith is that if youa re that guy your job is basically to clear traps all match long
outer thorn
@chilly brook I have this pipe dream of being able to break it somehow, my initial idea was to run double absorb trinkets to get it to activate while tanking somehow
uneven mason
They only open testing at certain times
chilly brook
<@133532617940140032> I have this pipe dream of being able to break it somehow, ...
Leave it as a pipe dream
Second wind is just bad
sick sentinel
that could be a good plan with a good discipline priest
chilly brook
It’s not
sick sentinel
im not saying it is
uneven mason
<@133532617940140032> I have this pipe dream of being able to break it somehow, ...
You won't be able to get it to trigger for any length of time to make it meaningful
sick sentinel
it could be maybe,
chilly brook
But it’s not
sick sentinel
yeah, and i didn't say it is good
modern brook
<@133532617940140032> I have this pipe dream of being able to break it somehow, ...
its really easy you just talent impending victory instead and get all the same benefits with none of the gimmicks
chilly brook
There is no “could be” or “maybe”
outer thorn
I mean the premise is very bad for a tank, because why would you need the heal from it if youre not taking damage
uneven mason
2nd wind is a leveling talent for DPS
outer thorn
but as a thought experiment while waiting for the expansion i tried to think of a way to make it useful somehow
modern brook
its a leveling/questing talent
uneven mason
Right its so you don't have to eat going from point to point
modern brook
like some kind of mage
uneven mason
Filthy mages
modern brook
:nom'sgrossface:
sick sentinel
you mean impending victory
chilly brook
: Nomegusta’d:
sick sentinel
if you take impending victory, your victory will be impending
sick sentinel
i've already won
chilly brook
Just kill things 4head
chilly brook
sometimes you're in ZM at 134 ilvl
Do you perhaps enjoy cbt?
uneven mason
200ilvl and I got pp slapped by named in zm
modern brook
nah im just saying
sick sentinel
too bad indelible was shit
modern brook
being able to get half your hp bar back while u scratch ur balls isnt terrible while leveling/questing
sick sentinel
i liked the idea of indelible
strong forum
Even in a 27
modern brook
I bet ur puppy plays 2nd wind
magic bolt
doggooooo
chilly brook
I bet ur puppy plays 2nd wind
She probably does, she has no off button
outer thorn
But new puppy
I have a companion pet ingame that looks like my dog irl 😄
uneven mason
More apm than protection
sick sentinel
also indelible add it to warrior somewheres
modern brook
She probably does, she has no off button
poodle... Bernese?
chilly brook
poodle... Bernese?
Ye Bernedoodle
modern brook
I'm a dog god
muted dome
For ''The Wall'' legendary and build, is necro the best covenant ?
chilly brook
She gonna be huge
modern brook
For ''The Wall'' legendary and build, is necro the best covenant ?
necro is the defacto best cov
for all builds
chilly brook
Banner is BiS
uneven mason
For ''The Wall'' legendary and build, is necro the best covenant ?
Can't argue with heavy metal
uneven mason
we arent freinds irl right?
You're not even friends here
chilly brook
We could be 👉👈
modern brook
We could be 👉👈
sick sentinel
"hide behind rock" has been a really sound strategy for human survival throughout the years, so im just doing that in wow with my shield
outer thorn
It would be a pretty original tank ability to be able to drop a rock on the ground that breaks LoS, would probably break like 8/10 bosses too so would never happen
modern brook
It would be a pretty original tank ability to be able to drop a rock on the grou...
im getting ptsd flashbacks to 8.0
uneven mason
Luls
chilly brook
TFW you take your talent idea from FFXIV but you implement it worse in every single way
uneven mason
Greatest tank utility ever, give us mass lifegrip
sick sentinel
uneven mason
Call it "kicking and screaming"
chilly brook
brazen nimbus
hey guys. is kyrian a valid cov choice in prepatch or necro by far the best ?
chilly brook
Trundle is gross
modern brook
hey guys. is kyrian a valid cov choice in prepatch or necro by far the best ?
its prepatch
chilly brook
hey guys. is kyrian a valid cov choice in prepatch or necro by far the best ?
Necro is best by a significant margin
sick sentinel
Eternally fuck your ranged
beg to differ, sentinal
modern brook
you can comfortably do whatever you want
chilly brook
But it doesn’t matter
modern brook
but necro is numerically ahead
mighty valley
hey guys. is kyrian a valid cov choice in prepatch or necro by far the best ?
necro is stronger by far but it's prepatch so follow your heart
modern brook
in all scenarios
uneven mason
hey guys. is kyrian a valid cov choice in prepatch or necro by far the best ?
Prepatch, also spear is bad because you can't see ae under it
mighty valley
man we're all so cool, saying the same thing simultaneously
sick sentinel
hunter with sentinal can provide anti LOS for up to 12 seconds for whole party (raid?)
chilly brook
Sett > all other champions
modern brook
how the fuck did it take 2 years for people to come up with a reason to hate spear and its "My settings are too low"
outer thorn
@uneven mason /wm [@cursor]8 is my best tank spell for making people in the group stand where i want
modern brook
😠
mighty valley
yeah i've never been bothered by spear visuals, there's a million other cov abilities that are more egregious
modern brook
spear absolutely owns
brazen nimbus
my heart i sayin im missing some burst aoe like spear or ravager ^^ but if its shitty, than its shitty ^^
modern brook
absolute spear stan since day 1
chilly brook
I’m actually considering dropping $1000 on a gpu
modern brook
and i wont have this fuckin T730 slander
mighty valley
spear also only lasts a few seconds out of every 45
chilly brook
Wtf is wrong with me
uneven mason
how the fuck did it take 2 years for people to come up with a reason to hate spe...
My settings are maxed and that shit is still too bright, also I always hated sky Smurf
sick sentinel
i'm trying out pets warlock anyways
i did pets hunter and that worked extremely well,
uneven mason
I’m actually considering dropping $1000 on a gpu
As long as it's not Nvidia
chilly brook
Here’s to hoping AMDs new GPUs actually live up to the hype
strong forum
I’m actually considering dropping $1000 on a gpu
I was considering dropping 660 bucks on tokens cuz I cba gold
chilly brook
5700xt red devil
strong forum
outer thorn
I was hoping the ethereum merge would bring GPU prices down but I havent noticed that yet
modern brook
I was considering dropping 660 bucks on tokens cuz I cba gold
do you get money from prime subs?
uneven mason
The connection is rated for 400w and it can draw more than that under load
chilly brook
I need to rebuild my PC in general tbh
strong forum
I do get money from prime subs
sick sentinel
nvidia more features better UX better compatibilitty and repairability
modern brook
Need more subs
sucks that you dont have like
uneven mason
nvidia more features better UX better compatibilitty and repairability
You can't fix melted
modern brook
a discord full of people mooching off your knowledge
chilly brook
nvidia more features better UX better compatibilitty and repairability
And they’re better at raping your wallet and shitty deceptive marketing practices
modern brook
who can definitely afford the free .99 to support the absolute homie
sick sentinel
if someone offered be a really good price on a 3080 equivilant card, i'd buy it, but its like, i just like nivdia more every time
strong forum
Yeah that'd be great
sick sentinel
the only thing wrong with my 3070 is that it doesn't like to run the RGB on it
chilly brook
if someone offered be a really good price on a 3080 equivilant card, i'd buy it,...
Uhhh that card exists
It’s called 6700xt