protection

[steep condor]

sorry i wrote in a hurry - i meant to say i tanked as Kyrian for first time and i really enjoyed it.

[ionic fern]

But i updated it, thanks Odius.

[ionic fern]

Generally a well played NL will be the best option . But it's Pre-patch so honestly, play whatever.

I also enjoy Kyrian.

[modern brook]

spear is pog yea but it likely wont out damage nl unless you're dropping banner often

im playing venthyr cause xd

(also cant be assed to swap covs every time i switch specs)

[steep condor]

i switch between dps and tank and it was getting annoying losing all my command table missions when i covenant switched. That was the main driver - but spear just FELT juicy 🙂

[modern brook]

yeah thats a good enough reason in my book

Im very happy spear is on the class tree

[steep condor]

i assume you switch between arms and prot? I'm doing fury and prot but might try out arms later. Just a bit put off by the fact you need to specialise between aoe and single target whereas fury seems to be a bit more of a jack of all trades.

[modern brook]

ive been playing everything in prepatch

condoom still condoom on fury 🤷‍♀️

[steep condor]

🙂

[blazing condor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/463452854389047297/1037281694211919923/3x.gif

[modern brook]

Unrelated to channel but i am very much looking forward to the annihlator build at 70 for fury

[modern brook]

[steep condor]

guy in LFR was playing it yesterday and liked it. Why are you looking forward to it exactly?

[modern brook]

somethin different

at level 70 it gets the tools it wants, at 60 i think u just give up too much for it

[chilly brook]

Delete spear

Ground effects on spells that you have to use for throughput should not drown out ground effects you have to dodge

[uneven mason]

Give us a spear that has spinning metal hooks and not that glowy paladin crap

[sharp bone]

is this without stats on it somewhat viable vs a diff 1h on the same ilvl? (not sure how to sim it "fully upgraded")

[chilly brook]

My gut is saying no

And very much no in aoe

[modern brook]

its even to slightly ahead on st, behind on aoe

[sharp bone]

ty guys

[modern brook]

maybe fix your glasses idk

hasnt been an issue for me for the last 3 years 😏

[chilly brook]

That’s a cap

SL hasn’t existed for 3 years

[uneven mason]

Womp

TFW I get it

[chilly brook]

Also it 110% drowns out the ground effects on worm boi

And anything else in the game remotely blue

[tawny badger]

Sorry I’m advance for dumb question but is unbreakable will talent not in tree any more

[uneven mason]

Is gone

[chilly brook]

Gone for good reason

Good riddance

[tawny badger]

Damn

[chilly brook]

No no

Not damn

Bad talent

That talent existing is just an excuse to nerf shield wall

Or us

[uneven mason]

I replaced it with a macro that says "Guess you should've specced into your own defensive scrub"

[tawny badger]

That’s a good point

[uneven mason]

Let's be honest our current mitigation levels will do that

[chilly brook]

I guess us and 2 other tanks specs are gonna get pp slapped then

[uneven mason]

We can go full sweaty DPS mode and still tank circles around brm pal and bear

Big PP slap with the ruler

[chilly brook]

Tbh more like BrM pal and bear need to be buffed

[uneven mason]

Bear would be fine if they had a functional talent tree

But they don't

40% of points you spend as a bear do quite literally nothing for bear

And that's in their spec tree

Let's not look at the 7 points in class tree that have no use for bear

But you have to take somewhere to get farther down

[brittle owl]

you mispelled

bear would be fine if it didnt exist

[radiant magnet]

I've given up on bear for now. Will likely level one but it needs a full redesign, not just small adjustments.

[lavish oracle]

I'm sad bear is bad because I wanna level my druid as a gatherer

[radiant magnet]

It's playable, just not enjoyable

unless you're into pain

[civic cairn]

If survivability isn’t a concern, why isn’t bloodbourne taken more often? I haven’t seen many trees valuing it. I know it’s a 2pt node but rend and deep wounds do a solid portion of our dps now.

[mellow quartz]

They just ‘fixed’ bear. They should be happy now and stop complaining.

[radiant magnet]

not worth the pts basically. doesnt give as much dmg as other options.

Bloodbourne isnt exactly bad, just worse than other options for the same pts. if it was a 1pt for 20% talent, we'd take it.

[mellow quartz]

Your bleeds are probably 20-25% of your key damage. So 1 point in bloodborne is 2-2.5%.

Nails is the same or more than 2 points in bloodborne

[modern brook]

we also dont get (feasible) access to thunderous words

[mellow quartz]

I am assuming he was talking DF. Even less value in SL.

[civic cairn]

Yeah speaking more to DF, will thunderous roar make it possibly worthwhile? Or is that talent mostly dead?

[mellow quartz]

Same as I said above

[civic cairn]

Ok thanks, that helps

[mellow quartz]

It’s all abt what you have to give up for those 2 points

[radiant magnet]

yeah, response was DF - basically dead talent unless blizz works it

[shut summit]

TWW Reflect Spreadsheet UPDATE

https://tinyurl.com/TWWreflects
block/reflect spreadsheet, will be updating as more is found

(feel free to message me if i missed something or if something changed, include log link or ss if possible please 🙂 )

[radiant magnet]

you can still play with it if you prefer, but it's not as valuable as those 2 pts in any other combo

[mellow quartz]

Was borderline before they nerfed it from 15% per point to 10% only

Needs to be 20% probably per point to be worth taking.

[radiant magnet]

yeah, pre-nerf it was ok. if they buff it back, maybe. if they make it 1pt for 20%, maybe. otherwise dead

[mellow quartz]

Thanks

[prisma crane]

always the goat with these

much appreciated

[mellow quartz]

It was lost to time with the deletion of the DF channel and everyone was sad

🙂

[strong forum]

Wasn't really lost

Just didn't post it as we're in pre-patch

[uneven mason]

Nom was just hoarding it

[mellow quartz]

Lost to us who didn’t save it lol

DF beta still on going and this is the only channel we can talk abt it now.

[prisma crane]

i live pinning in the wild!

[chilly brook]

Hasn’t that been bear since forever?

Thrash 3 globals thrash

Like people talk about how “boring” bear is now

It wasn’t exactly super fun in SL either

[prisma crane]

fwiw we know that's intentional though

not being boring, but being simple

[lyric elm]

It's good we have a simple tank

[novel rapids]

Thanks a lot. is there any WA for it? Thanks once again for the work.

[chilly brook]

Aren’t they all?

[prisma crane]

no, they're not

[chilly brook]

I don’t think any tank is very “complex”

[prisma crane]

or people wouldn't be here asking basic questions all the time

[lyric elm]

I find warrior pretty engaging because you have to press a lot of buttons. It's a kind of difficulty i suppose?

[chilly brook]

People ask basic questions in the Druid discord too lol

[prisma crane]

difficulty is relative, and not everyone is a good player

[chilly brook]

All of the tanks are relatively simple to understand

[uneven mason]

They took the worst parts of galactic guardian and neautered thrash to the dirt

[prisma crane]

but druids are easier to grasp at a basic level than warrior, so the learning process is easier

[chilly brook]

There’s just varying degrees of maximizing potential

[lyric elm]

I'm fine if complexity is more prevalent in DPS, they don't have anything else to do than to DPS after all. As tanks we have to know a lot of things they don't

[uneven mason]

But it really comes down to how horrible their class tree is

[chilly brook]

At a basic level warrior is “block things and don’t cap rage” Tbf

[uneven mason]

It just feels bad grabbing abilities that can't be used at all just to get to anything useful

[prisma crane]

again you're assuming a base level of intelligence, i'm not knocking 'dumb' people, but they exist and still enjoy games and would likely enjoy the game more if they feel less overwhelmed

[sick sentinel]

So my raid leader is having me go Prot Warrior in DF for our Mythic Raid team.

I'm pretty new to Warrior as a whole, as far as leveling goes, is Fury or Arms better?

[chilly brook]

Uhhh

[uneven mason]

Prot

[sick sentinel]

Oh really?

[chilly brook]

Why is your raid lead forcing you into a class or spec

[lyric elm]

Prot for leveling is godlike

[uneven mason]

Just level as prot

[sick sentinel]

They aren't forcing me. I agreed to it, lol Prot seems fun.

[uneven mason]

Pull all the mobs, revenge

[lyric elm]

You pull the entire universe and don't lose a point of health

[sick sentinel]

haha nice ok cool

[uneven mason]

Like leash ranges exist because of prot

[chilly brook]

“Raid leader having me go prot” sounds a lot like being dictated what to play to me

[lyric elm]

Fury and arms are fun now so please try them though

[chilly brook]

Arms is big pog

[uneven mason]

Otherwise you'd see shield apes leaping around gathering entire zones

[sick sentinel]

What I meant was, I'm one of the teams tanks and decided I"m going Prot (I was Brew in SL)

[lyric elm]

Shield ape...very apt

[sick sentinel]

lmao shield apes

[uneven mason]

Tbh go BDK

[chilly brook]

BrM will be fine

[sick sentinel]

Nah I need something new

[chilly brook]

There’s like no shot they won’t be g2g by raid release

I mean technically they already are g2g

[uneven mason]

Because prot will be nerfed, the universe won't tolerate us to be meta at the xpac launch

[lyric elm]

Monk devs are historically not very good though

[uneven mason]

Bdk never gets nerfed

[chilly brook]

?

Brew has historically been one of the most desired prog tanks since they’ve been released

[lyric elm]

There's always some jank

[uneven mason]

Brm has historically been the best raid tank

[sick sentinel]

If Prot Warr gets nerfed to the point where it's as bad as it was in SL, I'll probably go Blood DK. We have a windwalker so we wont miss the debuff.

[uneven mason]

Like since WOD

[lyric elm]

If healers can handle it, sure. At this moment they have the lowest self sustain on the beta (beta is beta yes but we're at the end now)

[chilly brook]

“As bad as it was in SL”

SMH

[uneven mason]

Lol

[chilly brook]

[mellow quartz]

It’s bad in SL?

[vital sinew]

It's not bfa s4 so its garbage

[sick sentinel]

That's what I've heard, hasn't it been bad?

[chilly brook]

I literally was taking less damage than any of the other tanks I played with in CN in 9.0

[sick sentinel]

Oh shit, ok, my bad.

[lofty widget]

it's better atm

[lyric elm]

For raids i guess it's fine. More of an issue in m+

[chilly brook]

TLDR

Bad players exist

[vital sinew]

hell yeah its tons of fun

[chilly brook]

Bad players make big mistakes and prot hates mistakes

[mellow quartz]

Was the 2nd best m+ tank last 2 seasons probably

[sick sentinel]

Blood was 1st, so Prot warrior was better then Brm & Palaind last two seasons?

[lyric elm]

I'm just gonna shield ape anyway

[chilly brook]

Well……kinda

[lyric elm]

That's why we're here right

[uneven mason]

To be fair this was us in 8.0 as well but 70% demo shout uptime and perfect cd use required

[chilly brook]

The tldr of prot in the last two seasons is “likely best tank but not enough people want to put in the effort to min max when blood is brain dead”

According to Andybrew or something

[uneven mason]

Sounds accurate

[lyric elm]

Yes that's right

Bdk is the pug tank

[vital sinew]

Blood with the right shade of purple and green

[sick sentinel]

What's everyone tank bud in raid? My other tank is going DH.

[mellow quartz]

Has Andy even played last 2 seasons? 🙂

[lyric elm]

DH yes

[chilly brook]

But banner uptime made us invincible

[vital sinew]

BDK in raid almost always gets play on a fight

[solid sun]

Guardian

[uneven mason]

So, here us the thing with prot, we're 95% proactive, while other tanks are varying degrees of reactive with bdk and vdh being near 100% reactive monks Dru and pal being around 50/50

[chilly brook]

Blood is 100% proactive Tbf

[sick sentinel]

Proactive Like disc priests 🙂

[chilly brook]

It just doesn’t seem like it

Or at least it was

Until the tier set

[uneven mason]

They act after damage

[chilly brook]

Yes but no

Pre tier set it was pooling resources before the damage happened so you could use the resources to offset damage

[uneven mason]

I mean yeah you have to get your full heal D's set up ahead of time

[vital sinew]

You maintain and wait for the right critera to push DS

[uneven mason]

But they're still not mitigation tanks

[chilly brook]

They essentially are

[uneven mason]

But they're not

They're sustain tanks

[chilly brook]

If you played blood reactively you died a lot in anything actually meaningful

[sick sentinel]

Besides Impending Victory, do we have any other "reactive" abilities?

[chilly brook]

Or your healers hated you

[uneven mason]

Nah, most of our healing is passive

[sick sentinel]

Ok sick. That sounds fun as fuck

[zealous willow]

Bro prot warr is insane self sustain atm

we literaly take 0 dmg

[chilly brook]

Spoiler alert

[zealous willow]

if u dont like prot warr atm idk when u will like it

[chilly brook]

We did that in s3

[uneven mason]

Yes but that has mostly Todo with our insane mitigation

[lyric elm]

Spell reflect is really good and fun too

[chilly brook]

And 4

[sick sentinel]

Thanks for this info, my Shield Ape exp involves watching a youtube video and leveling from 10 to 35 😅

[zealous willow]

Actualy in df prot warr gets more and more sellfsustain

its not s3 and s4

[sick sentinel]

*so far

[vital sinew]

Until tank tuning happens before s1 starts that is

[uneven mason]

Our actual healing (not absorb) us very little but we don't need much because we take very little actual damage

[sick sentinel]

Can't ignore paid be considered Reactive or no?

[uneven mason]

No

[lyric elm]

You keep it permanently up

[sick sentinel]

Ok, bu twhy?

Ohhh ok

[zealous willow]

I think warr is insanly good and im scared for nerfs

[uneven mason]

It's a 55% absorb so, mitigation

[sick sentinel]

That and Shield Block right?

[chilly brook]

What I was saying is, we had insane mitigation and a lot of self sustain in s3 and s4

[lyric elm]

Yes

[uneven mason]

Sb is our primary

[zealous willow]

DH is not bad too

[chilly brook]

Most pulls I was outhealing healers

[sick sentinel]

So the mini game is Uptime on Ignore Pain and Shieldblock, and filler Shieldslam / Proc'd Revenge + weaving tank CD's?

[zealous willow]

if i must predict s1 meta in df it will be warr or hd

dh*

[chilly brook]

Don’t even think about “uptime” on IP

[uneven mason]

Don't worry about uptime

It's a defensive rage dump

[lyric elm]

Just press it

[uneven mason]

You press

[sick sentinel]

ok

[chilly brook]

Press shield slam on CD, press TC on CD, revenge to spend rage, press IP to not cap on rage and block everything you can

That’s prot in a nutshell

[sick sentinel]

I am gonna read the wowhead/icyveing guides after work btw. Sorry for dumb questions

[lyric elm]

You can use a weak aura for IP if you wanna minmax it

But not necessary

[chilly brook]

Also press your other CDs on CD

Don’t sit on avatar

[sick sentinel]

ok

[chilly brook]

Hit demoralizing shout on CD

Be liberal with shield wall

[uneven mason]

And the metric for block isn't uptime but % of hits blocked, should be 90% in effect

[sick sentinel]

Do you revenge to spend rage even if it's not procc'd?

[chilly brook]

Yes

Absolutely

We have so much rage

[sick sentinel]

But Shieldblock has prio on rage?

Oh ok

[uneven mason]

100% if you're Late and make 0 mistakes because you're off 5 tank scummers

[chilly brook]

You should always have at least 30 rage to hit a shield block

[lyric elm]

You can be liberal with revenge especially when you ravager

[chilly brook]

But you don’t even need to worry about that at endgame

[sick sentinel]

Ok so don't just spam Revenge at ALL times like an actual ape. Keep shieldbock and IP up, that makes sense

[modern brook]

no

[chilly brook]

The only time being rage starved is a huge thing is leveling

[modern brook]

ape spam revenge

[lyric elm]

Ye revenge is kinda your last prio

[mellow quartz]

Just read the IV or wowhead guide lol

[sick sentinel]

Yeah I will. lol mb

[lyric elm]

Just ape

[uneven mason]

Oh right shield charge

[chilly brook]

SS>TC>Revenj

[uneven mason]

You'll want to beeline for shield charge

[chilly brook]

Press IP to not cap

Also hit execute

[uneven mason]

Because it's obscenely fun, powerful and produces rage

[lofty widget]

execute only good on 1 target now 😦

or prio mobs i guess

[uneven mason]

Womp

[chilly brook]

You basically replace revenge with execute

[chilly brook]

Feelsbadman

[uneven mason]

I want a talent that increases execute damage by 10% for each IP we cast, 99 cap, no duration

But you know I'm not a retribution paladin so I'd never present such an obviously obscene op idea to Blizzard

[chilly brook]

Kekw

[queen latch]

in m+ do you still use execute on trash

[uneven mason]

Legitimately asking for wings to have 30s duration and 1min cd and oh yes can we have our attacks deal 100% holy damage

[vital sinew]

Priority add in raid: dont worry the tank got this one

[icy citrus]

Hey man, thanks for sharing the build here.
Since it is here, I see you didn't choose Pain and Gain talent? (also saw few more people to avoid it like you).
Is it too low hps so Indomitable would be enough by its own?

[mellow quartz]

Point better spend elsewhere.

All talents are abt relative value vs other talents.

Pain and Gain is fine on it’s own but nothing is judged on its own.

You also don’t need the extra healing atm

[icy citrus]

Definitely agree, and that is logical design move.

[chilly brook]

Tbf you could disable all healing talents and we’d still be Uber tanky

[icy citrus]

Okay, but can we tell that we dont need healing to that point where i can swap Indomitable for Aoe interrupt for example?

[strong forum]

If you want you can pick it by removing the point from overwhelming rage

You never swap off of indomitable

You sac dmg for it instead

The point you swap for disruptive shout are either thunderlords or show of force

That's it

[chilly brook]

Indom is too good to give up

But you could theoretically remove it and be fine

The only thing is why would you

[strong forum]

Too big of a risk for too little of a gain

Makes no sense

[icy citrus]

Yeah i agree

[strong forum]

You're saccing surv, to gain surv

[chilly brook]

And since it makes up for a huge amount of offset of damage it also means you don’t need a whole lot of anything else self sustain

[strong forum]

🤔

[chilly brook]

Oh I’m not recommending that

[strong forum]

Ya im just expanding the narrative

[chilly brook]

What I was saying is theoretically you really don’t need any of the self sustain type things, but for the point invested Indom is insane

[strong forum]

You'd be squishier on low target counts

And just lose 10% hp

Outright

In aoe you're fine cuz of leech and tierset

But idk

[uneven mason]

I just realized were missing something very important

[strong forum]

It's just not smart

[uneven mason]

Where's never surrender, did it finally give up?

[strong forum]

Yes

It got replaced by tough as nails

[uneven mason]

Heee

[sturdy sable]

Nobody give it to him.

[gleaming mica]

If only a Prot Warrior could do 40k overall in a GY27

[chilly brook]

Yea not advisable and strictly worse, but you could

[modern brook]

always surrender o7

[chilly brook]

And specifically I don’t think there’s any point in the tree that would be even remotely worth it over indom

[strong forum]

Technically it was 48k

If you count active dps

[gleaming mica]

Lol I know I just read that and was like holy hell. Nice DPS there man. I won’t ever get there but damn nice.

[chilly brook]

What do I care though I’m only planning on being a tanky boi as an alt

[mellow quartz]

I think we will feel a bit squishier this coming beta weekend with the 40% increase in damage and BV still bugged. Will make us look worse than we are.

[chilly brook]

Of course you can

[gleaming mica]

I’m struggling between VDH and Prot Warrior

[strong forum]

Bear woulda done 70k

[chilly brook]

Good

[uneven mason]

Taking any damage at all would be more squishy

[strong forum]

Every tank will be in for a surprise

Some more than others

But

You'll be surprised about HoV

[mellow quartz]

We will feel IP dropping a lot more than it should now.

[uneven mason]

HoV

Oh man

Looking forward to that

[strong forum]

I mean youll be plenty surprised

[chilly brook]

Hyrja back to one shotting people with this buff

[strong forum]

In a funny way

[chilly brook]

[strong forum]

Specifically before first boss

[mellow quartz]

People pulled everything in HOV up to first boss with lust before.

[chilly brook]

Hyrja was such a problem back in legion

[uneven mason]

The 7 pull?

[gleaming mica]

Maybe, but I feel at 279 ilvl, I should be doing more than 18-19k on AoE DPS.

[chilly brook]

I shudder to see her with 40% increased damage on tyrannical

[strong forum]

Griff I'll let you on in a secret

Dwarf won't be needed anymore

[uneven mason]

Womp

[mellow quartz]

You won’t take 3 of the storm clouds in a row on Hyrja now 🙂

[chilly brook]

Unfortunate

I wouldn’t sully myself with that degenerate race even if it was required

./s

[strong forum]

I don't think you get what I said

[chilly brook]

Tbh I don’t know why they would have been needed before anyways, HoV is pretty hazy to me outside of Hyrja and the Prydaz shenanigans

[mellow quartz]

You saying you will just be kiting?

[strong forum]

Better

No kiting needed

When they just outright remove mechanics

Ykno

[uneven mason]

Lul

[chilly brook]

Lol

[mellow quartz]

We know they removed the bleed?

[chilly brook]

I’ll be happily spreading my seed anyways, what are tank mechanics?

Maybe a drain soul here or there

[wary heath]

Real men bind a 2 hander with battle stance to avatar

[gleaming mica]

Real men stay in battle stance

[icy citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/kekw-twitch-twitchtv-twitch-emote-kek-gif-19085736

[mellow quartz]

I am sure nome is super happy abt that picture

[raw parcel]

Noob question. Does block chance over 100% do anything? Our mastery is to raise block chance, but with a high shield block uptime it doesn't seem very useful.

[modern brook]

No

Mastery also gives critblock

And ap

But % over100 does nothing

[raw parcel]

Thanks! Was wondering.

[chilly brook]

Don’t underestimate crit block

You don’t go out of your way to stack mastery but crit block is very powerful

[strong forum]

i love funny emotes wdym

[zealous willow]

So guys i have prot warr rdy for DF , but since blizard are unpredictable i want to lvl up at least 1 more tank in my new realm. Can u suggest me ( i was thinking for DH) ?

[gleaming mica]

Then go vdh

[strong forum]

whatever looks fun

[gleaming mica]

I run Prot, VDH and Druid.

[elder bay]

Another warrior

[zealous willow]

People say dk's are bad in expansion start and they scale to top lvl later

[acoustic stone]

BDKS were meta BFA S1 and then dropped out of favor rest of expansion

[zealous willow]

i heard brew is squishy but big dps chad

[strong forum]

[gleaming mica]

Not many tank key groups take monk…

Well, that I’ve seen at least.

[zealous willow]

Monks are gonna be rly good for m15 boost 😄

if they remain same dps

[mellow quartz]

Think Equinox posted a video of him doing 97k overall dps in a 15 AA

On brew

[vital sinew]

Until resonant is nerf, brm blasts

[zealous willow]

They are just squishy for high keys . Prot warr and Dh are tankiest i think

[modern brook]

would u say it makes you feel indomitable?

[stuck lava]

for raid ST bosses is Punish > 2x Bloodborne? speaking dps

[modern brook]

if you scroll up a bit we already did the ragging on bloodborne

but yeah

long story short bborne likely not worth the investment ever

[stuck lava]

oukay thx

[stuck lava]

Are you sure though? if i calculate my damage on a dungeon boss with 2x Bloodborne and subtract 20% on both bleeds and add 10% to SSlam, Bloodborne still comes up ahead

shorter fight ofc

just wondering

and my thinking is, that any type of downtime/movement and or any type of adds should pull bloodborne ahead no?

[modern brook]

well thats cause you're comparing two damage talents to 1 damage talent that also has DR in it

[urban bane]

Blessed by Saint Sense’s Spreadsheets

[stuck lava]

ofc only speaking dps

[mellow quartz]

What’s your bleed damage as a % of your total damage?

Yes

[knotty idol]

Once we get to level 70 do we ever drop one handed weapon specialization for an extra capstone

[oblique garnet]

No

[mighty valley]

they should buff bloodborne because it's currently disrespectful to the best game

[severe hatch]

It kind of sounds like you're not Shield Slamming enough tbh, the math should not work out that way.

[mellow quartz]

1h spec is just flat 5% damage buff. It’s crazy good lol

Raid or keys?

Also indom is not a cap stone and neither is VO

[modern brook]

The general experience has been bborne to be ~2% overall dps/point which is just not enough. If you're getting higher than that please share logs, though Id put money down that you're just not shield slamming as much as is expected in the rotation

[mellow quartz]

For raid?

It’s more for keys

bb is around 4-5% in keys but at an expense of 2 points where you can get abt the same with nails and that extra point is needed elsewhere there.

[modern brook]

i cannot type holy shit

[mellow quartz]

You will probably pick up all 3 of those talents in that row always.

[modern brook]

you take both

[mellow quartz]

Battering ram is more of a raid thing

[pallid quiver]

Batlle Scarred is only needed if you get that low

Which is, uh, not common if playing well

[modern brook]

BSV usecases are the same as cheat death trinket uses cases are now

which is to say "not what you're doing if you're asking if you should take it"

[pallid quiver]

It is extremely powerful if you are likely to get that low, however

[modern brook]

ie: very early mythic progression, or very high progression keys

[mellow quartz]

If you have to ask you don’t need BSV.

If you need BSV you know it.

[modern brook]

something close to this will likely be the look at 70

some wiggle room on battering ram

wait hang on i clicked something i shoudnt higher up

[mellow quartz]

#protection message

For keys

[odd tree]

Bout to say, that's missing 1pt

[modern brook]

10th point is between ram and punish

[mighty valley]

thunderlord + uf + bv is pretty big value

[pallid quiver]

i need it because it sounds cool

[outer thorn]

BSV sounds like a walmart Will of the Necropolis

[modern brook]

kek

[polar wharf]

Do you use macro for shield block together with shield slam or always use SB seperate?

[mellow quartz]

Separate

[outer thorn]

@polar wharf for like 99% of players they probably would play better with it macroed but it wouldnt be optimal

[drifting fable]

you should never bind an ogcd to a GCD

As a rule of thumb, generally

some exceptions of course

[mellow quartz]

Plenty of times you have a lot of SB uptime left and you wanna spend your rage on other things than SB

Macroing it into SS isn’t smart

Matters less in SL, matters more in DF

[polar wharf]

Thanks for quick answers! Play tank for and warrior for first time and have so much fun in m+. But SB uptime is around 75%, guess i have to improve it 🙂

[uneven mason]

Don't worry about uptime, focus is n blocked hits

[polar wharf]

@astral atlas what WA? I use Luxthos WA for warrior

[pallid quiver]

though you can get 100% uptime on sb now at 60 with the talents in tree

[pallid quiver]

I use a SB tracker to let me know if it's active and how much time is remaining and I keep track of SB charges on a separate section near my other main cds

[polar wharf]

Reading aboit SB and banner uptime here alot. For me banner is hard to maintain and overall uptime is pretty bad 😂

[drifting fable]

yes blocked hits is the best quantifier. which really translates to how good you are in keeping it up while youre being meleed

[pallid quiver]

Banner is simply maintained by playing well, generating rage and then spending it. If you have trouble keeping it up, you're likely not pressing buttons fast enough or prioritizing buttons properly to optimize that process

[mellow quartz]

SB uptime is not a metric of being good but can be a sign of being bad with how easy it is to get 100%.

[pallid quiver]

Also, you can't block behind you, so even if you have 100% uptime, it doesn't matter if you're fetting back slapped

[mellow quartz]

SS does 30% more dam with SB up. Don’t let it drop.

[polar wharf]

Where in details can i see blocked hits?

[drifting fable]

hover over the melee part in damage take

[pallid quiver]

That's the neat part

You don't

[drifting fable]

oh details

lol

yeah logs only

[pallid quiver]

You have to actually log a run to checked blocked hits

[polar wharf]

Ok, more to learn 🙂

[pallid quiver]

While we still have the banner metric, I might recommend hitting a dummy until you can get 100% uptime on banner. It's still doable in ST, and is much easier in AoE

If you get that, you'll have the basic rotation and pacing of the class down

It'll lead to more SB uptime and more tankiness in general

[polar wharf]

I have tried on dummy and it went ok. But so much to handle in a m+ so rotation fails sometimes in panic

[ruby berry]

Just takes practice, you'll get better as you do it over and over.

[polar wharf]

This week affixes is a real challange with those range mobs

Started my warrior 2 weeks ago and hit 2k yesterday so guess it's ok

[uneven mason]

And here I am running dungeons no leggo without covenant abilities

Just to practice

[polar wharf]

I skipped leggo aswell

[raw pier]

are the sims on raidbot bugged?
Error: Actor 'Blocken': Player 'Blocken' unable to create action: dragon_roar

[mellow bridge]

sims arent updated yet afaik

bunch of classes/specs arent updated

[mellow quartz]

3x SB duration + bolster

[polar wharf]

How to log a run in m+? warcraftslog.com?

[mellow quartz]

Bolster if talented only

[uneven mason]

To 24 iirc

[uneven mason]

Yup, just do a log as usual, and livelog it

It doesn't increase the cap by that much iirc I could be wrong

Afaik it's 24s with bolster otherwise 18

[lofty widget]

nah cap is 3x SB duration so 24 sec with ED, 18 without. if you use LS with bolster talented you get 15 sec on top of your current SB duration

[uneven mason]

Ok so they did fix that

I remember having to spreadsheet my block windows between major cooldowns

How far we've come

[strong forum]

you mean my cheat sheet

from bfa

[modern brook]

nom should make more spreadsheets tbh

[uneven mason]

I made my own for fetid

[frail summit]

Has anyone in here done like a fun raid build?

[modern brook]

pins :^)

[uneven mason]

We don't have not fun raid builds

[frail summit]

thank you! i'm a big dumb dumb

[modern brook]

you are in warrior discord

[uneven mason]

Smartest move ever

[sterile bough]

does this still apply for pre patch?
Q: What Legendary should I use for Raids / Mythic+?
A: Reprisal is your main legendary for both Raids and Mythic+. You can swap it out for The Wall in raids if the encounter does not allow for proper Charge weaving to get the full benefit of Reprisal.

csaue when I checked top 4 m+ tanks they all play diffrent legendary

[mellow quartz]

Sure, but doesn’t matter much.

Most are replaced by a talent you just take instead.

If you don’t run reprisal leggo just take the talent instead etc

[sterile bough]

well so far I dont have any legendary

and I wonder which one to craft

[mellow bridge]

w/e you feel like playing honestly

in raid you'd play rep or wall

in m+ you can play rep wall seismic

[mellow quartz]

3.5 weeks left

[mellow bridge]

take what you want

just make sure if you play e.g. seismic to not also take the seismic talent

[sterile bough]

im aiming to get to play this around 28s untill end of season

well 30s preferably

[mellow bridge]

answer doesnt change

[sterile bough]

I guess the most dmg one then

would it be seismic?

[mellow bridge]

it legit doesnt matter cuz you just take the other one as a talent anyways

but i guess craft wall and skill seismic

since seismic is kinda meh in upper anyways

[tropic gorge]

So, I'm now running no lego, and i decided to try Shockwave with the dmg boost talent

It's fun. Af.

[uneven mason]

Does it beat avatar

[tropic gorge]

Even with 350 percent dmg it doesn't hit like super hard

[uneven mason]

Like 45s avatar

[tropic gorge]

I'm also running avatar lol

[uneven mason]

Womp

[tropic gorge]

Avatar, ravager, and shockwave

It's fun

Since I'm kyrian I also have the spear

[uneven mason]

I'm still NF

Because I'm less than 2000rep from court of night

And I want my 100exalted

[tropic gorge]

I ran 18 streets and did pretty decent dmg on a lot of the bigger pulls. Shockwave into bosses or st doesn't feel good. But Shockwave with a few targets is really sexy

[tropic gorge]

Imo nothing beats avatar

I think it's one of the best abilities we have

[mellow quartz]

That should go without saying.

Builds are just so very ‘meh’ in prepatch

[radiant magnet]

hard to care about prepatch tbh

its limbo til DF

[strong forum]

i love lower kara

[marble cipher]

4min banner 🤔
Jeez I suck

[wild lake]

Hey prot warriors im trying to plan my raid healing comp and in SL it was kind of a requirement for prot to have a Hpaly, does that look to be the case is DF or is prot less reliant on beacon?

[strong forum]

currently we dont need any heals

[wild lake]

Sweet, thanks man!

[mellow quartz]

Says the 5 tank player 🙂

[uneven mason]

Wat

[ebon wren]

hey guys im having some threat issues with this crazy dps on pulls, and missing ravager. got a tip?

[radiant magnet]

Ignore everything SL - pretend that shit didnt happen. Any healer is fine.

[cobalt seal]

exactly because of that lol

he can have a entire pack

[odd tree]

not sure i ran with an hpal all xpac

[cobalt seal]

and not need heals

[odd tree]

maybe 1

[cobalt seal]

but people love to downplay the 5 tank, because you have 4 more tanks

[mellow quartz]

TC and revenge more.

[ebon wren]

lol k

[sterile bough]

this?

[wild lake]

Cool, I thought they were better, i know they didnt have to have one but it was better off with beacon compared to something like blood

[sterile bough]

and is this what u mean by wall?

[drifting fable]

thats the one

[ebon wren]

I play wall. its ridiculous.

[edgy bone]

Should I start re-gemming for vers? All I do is M+ and the highest key i've done is +25

[drifting fable]

nah haste owns

[uneven mason]

Oh for the love of

Who started this vers meme and how is it still alive

[edgy bone]

I'm confused

[radiant magnet]

DF tanks are all redesigned, so anything SLs is dead and should be ignored. You could maybe consider it during prepatch, but in 3.5 wks you dont care anymore.

[edgy bone]

Right now all my gems are crit

[uneven mason]

Plka, I blame plka

[drifting fable]

blizzard started it when they made vers

[ebon wren]

vers is best. it increase defense AND offense. can't lose.

[drifting fable]

keep crit then

[mellow bridge]

looks fine

[edgy bone]

Can you elaborate on that

[drifting fable]

no vers is not best

[ebon wren]

two for one!

[drifting fable]

haste/crit is fine

[uneven mason]

Vers stacking is a meme, it's a joke

[drifting fable]

gems are a sim question, but we dont have that atm so just do whatever

[radiant magnet]

just gem haste. haste never hurts.

[uneven mason]

Somehow some ape got ahold of it and started trying to make it gospel

[outer thorn]

haste is so nuts im probably going to take any piece with a high haste stat on it regardless of what the other stat is on the item

by take i mean from a m+ players great vault perspective

[drifting fable]

ilvl > secondaries but after that yea

[outer thorn]

ofc ye

[strong forum]

i mean, i tanked tyr first boss streets 29 pre-DF and only neede 4-5 wogs total.

as pwar

so uh

🙂

[mellow quartz]

Paladin off heals OP clearly

[outer thorn]

im not going to be able to say dragonflights, it will be dragonlands for me

[uneven mason]

How much vers did you stack Todo it.

[strong forum]

i think i had a total of 12%

cuz it simmed the highest

[uneven mason]

Big vers

[strong forum]

to gem and enchant vers

[mellow quartz]

He is a crit gamer

[lofty widget]

stamina flask?

[strong forum]

int flask

[mellow quartz]

Need to make those warriors smarter

[odd tree]

he's a streamer

[uneven mason]

Obviously he's using agi

[strong forum]

okay but to go back to not memeing

[uneven mason]

Also do we have the nomdisgust emoji yet

[radiant magnet]

stack MP5 before Vers

[strong forum]

even in a standard comp you need very limited heals as a tank right now

especially as pwar

the more targets you fight, the less prone you are to dying currently

[edgy bone]

Why

[strong forum]

more rage income through bloodsurge cuz you have more bleeds up

and more leech healing

[uneven mason]

Pump IP, rage from bleeds,

[edgy bone]

Does that mean even prot warriors can do big pulls

[strong forum]

yes

[mellow quartz]

The more rage you spend the more indom heals

[radiant magnet]

big pulls are fine. great even. only thing to watch for is incoming cast bars

and even that is mostly not on us

[uneven mason]

Been like that for a while

[glacial totem]

Is it fun and good to lvl from 46 - 60 as Prot?

good = fast

[uneven mason]

Yes

[strong forum]

depends if you find leveling fun

[drifting fable]

even prot wars 🥺

[strong forum]

but tanks usually are very speedy at leveling

cuz you can do big pulls

[glacial totem]

Anyone have any good dmg build I can go afteR?

[mellow quartz]

A leveling build?

[modern brook]

pins 🙂

[drifting fable]

idk if that was supposed to be a full thought but pins

[mellow quartz]

Any talent that does damage

And gives speed

[glacial totem]

lol @strong forum im listeing to you on MO Cast atm - I love the episode so far man!

[strong forum]

leveling build is usually "whatever does alot of instant damage"

and "increases mobility"

[uneven mason]

Sounds like a job for shield charge

[mellow quartz]

Hard to get while leveling lol

[modern brook]

dragon charge pog

you have like 23 points at 46

so he has it fine

[uneven mason]

45 they should have it

Yeah

[mellow quartz]

Ahh don’t know shit abt the new leveling talents lol

[uneven mason]

You get one point every level alternating between class and spec

[modern brook]

^ starting at 10

[mellow quartz]

Last time I leveled was 60-70 as prot on beta

[strong forum]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DALAURUUUgQVERBAJVUVFRERERCAA

[uneven mason]

Starting at 10

[strong forum]

you can do like this

with 46

can alternatively drop instigate

and get bloodsurge instead

[modern brook]

I never realized how gross AM looks without Av

[strong forum]

its terrible isnt it

actually yeah

[modern brook]

lol

[strong forum]

you can drop AM

[modern brook]

maybe wall instead

[strong forum]

and get impenetrable wall instead

makes more sense

[uneven mason]

Yeah you'll need 50 to get shield charge

[mellow quartz]

If you level with large pulls bloodsurge is probably better

[strong forum]

ya it defo is

[uneven mason]

For sure

[modern brook]

wild how much optimization there is for leveling

[strong forum]

and you actually get cool shit

every other level

and not every 15 levels

[mellow quartz]

You had instigate in your link

[uneven mason]

Doing big pulls is satisfying as prot with current setup

[strong forum]

and then i changed my mind 2sec later

[modern brook]

I like instigate tbh

you're leveling anything that does damage faster is better

[mellow quartz]

Ahh didn’t read further down

Tbh none of this will have any meaningful impact on leveling.

Just pull and do dam

[glacial totem]

BIG thanks man!

[modern brook]

yeah p much

most important leveling talent is bounding stride

[glacial totem]

What should I remove if I go for Bloodsurge?

[mellow quartz]

Instigate

[uneven mason]

Blood and thunder

[mellow quartz]

Nah mobility is king for leveling

[modern brook]

yeah really need my rend to tick twice before things die to revenge spam

[urban portal]

bounding stride for sure

[mellow quartz]

Spend rest of SL collecting all the speed gear you can get your hands on.

[odd tree]

impending victory

[strong forum]

nah dont need that for leveling much

you get infinite victory rushes

[mellow quartz]

To be honest though mobility is less important than previous expansions for leveling.

Due to dragon riding.

[strong forum]

its still massively relevant

for chain pulling

and grouping up mobs

[mellow quartz]

I found myself dragon ride even small distances while leveling.

[strong forum]

i mean

if its just 50 yards

and you have leap

[mellow quartz]

Quest, queue for dungeons, group up everything you see in sight while doing the quests

[strong forum]

leap+charge is faster

[mellow quartz]

Easy

[strong forum]

QUEUE FOR DUNGEONS?!

youre just asking to be a slow leveler lol

[mellow quartz]

Gave good xp last I checked

[strong forum]

when was fresh expansion leveling with dungeons ever good

ive not heard about that since fucking wrath

the dungeons were only good if you had 2-3 quests to do in them

[lusty bobcat]

any eta on beta servers?

[mellow quartz]

Are they down?

[smoky dock]

@strong forum I have been doing speed runs for questing 60-70 have a couple of ways of doing it. Have you looked into what you will be shooting for build wise to really rush through questing?

[radiant magnet]

Blizz detected a Bear having fun on Beta. Down until repairs are made.

[strong forum]

same as m+ build

you just drop indom for ravager

[modern brook]

yah right here 🙂

[strong forum]

and get SC asap

[smoky dock]

So drop indom?

[strong forum]

for leveling, yeah

get ravager+SC asap

outburst is still good

[lusty bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/the-wolf-of-wall-street-clap-clapping-clapping-hands-leonardo-dicaprio-gif-22829304

[smoky dock]

Ill check that out actually havent ran ravager for 60-70

[strong forum]

on warri tree get thunderous roar asap

[smoky dock]

Ava roar and ravager?

[strong forum]

you start from this

acutally wait

lemme edit

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUUUgVVARlBAQBBMVUVEVERFVYAUDQRA

this

[smoky dock]

lol alright yeah I am going to do another 60-70 either today or tomorrow

[strong forum]

by 64 you can also opt to go for shockwave+sonic boom

over TR

[smoky dock]

I like it I will run it tomorrow

[ebon wren]

wait were taking ravager now?

[strong forum]

we always have

[smoky dock]

lol right

[ebon wren]

even at 1.5 minutes wtf

[strong forum]

they doubled ravagers dmg

and its CD

so its the same as before except 50% less rage

[ebon wren]

ive really missed it. guess ill take it

[smoky dock]

This is for questing but for m+ for sure not for pre patch or you can I guess

[strong forum]

you can get away with it in lower keys

to not play indom

[smoky dock]

Gotcha sounds good have you looked into a route? or you just going to casual level?

[strong forum]

ill check for it closer to release

ive only leveld to 62 so far

very slowly

[smoky dock]

haha fair enough

[mellow quartz]

Most important thing abt leveling make sure you are in the correct stance 🙂

[smoky dock]

lol right

[mellow quartz]

Don’t realize halfway through you are running dstance

[uneven mason]

Wait, you're not soloing dungeons?

[glacial totem]

So when lvling you should always be battle stance?

[modern brook]

im not leveling :^)

[modern brook]

you should consider dstance a Defensive cooldown

even when max

[glacial totem]

Hmm interesting, is that becuase you wanna focus on the dmg?

[modern brook]

theres some discussion on whether we'll be tuned around the expectation of sitting in dstance come DF, but until that becomes a reality, just be in battle stance

[modern brook]

As the short answer, yeah, damage is good - things die faster.

[glacial totem]

Some people have said before, like yesterday, that I can do whatever and should play bstance as long im comfortable with it and switch if I feel I take to much dmg in a m+ for example

[strong forum]

i mean

good pwars are sitting in bstance even in 30s right now 😄

its off-gcd

you swap as you deem useful

[glacial totem]

Ok cooL!

[modern brook]

Nom's talking about himself

[glacial totem]

Will have it in mind as more of a defensive cd

[strong forum]

smartest use of it is going into Dstance for a hard hitting mechanic

and then swap back after when youre safe again

thats where the min-maxing part of pwar will lie now

[edgy bone]

lol we really using battle stance

as prot

[strong forum]

its 13% dmg

YEAH

you better be

[modern brook]

its a default talent too

[strong forum]

if you perma default to d-stance youre just lazy

and willingly do less damage for no good reason

[glacial totem]

damn 13%

[edgy bone]

😦

[modern brook]

dstance costs 10% damage and 3% crit

[prisma crane]

it wouldnt be perfect but you could probably macro DStance to SW and BStance to something like Avatar and you'll get a decent amount out of it

[strong forum]

meh

[modern brook]

I stand by not macroing defensives together

[prisma crane]

i hate macroing stuff together, but for those lazy i mean

[mellow quartz]

You don’t wanna avatar when SW is up?

[prisma crane]

it's just unlikely you'll use avatar in the 8 sec window of SW

[mellow quartz]

What?

[strong forum]

🤔

[prisma crane]

i mean

it's whenever

you just use it on CD

[strong forum]

its just a shitty macro m8 😄 i get the point you tried to make but

[modern brook]

lmao

i was typing that

[strong forum]

meh

[prisma crane]

idk, just making it easy for ppl who wanna try lazy shit

not saying i'd do it

[modern brook]

just let lazy people sit in dstance

[prisma crane]

like i said, i dont macro ANYTHING together

[mellow quartz]

The whole don’t macro shit other than SS to IP still holds.

[modern brook]

I'll gladly put in the effort to do 13% more damage 🤷‍♂️

[fallen lichen]

does unbreakable will work when u have the wall equipped? 🙂

[prisma crane]

sitting in Bstance isnt effort lol

[modern brook]

I'm refering strictly to the theoretical world where DF requires us to be dancing

[ebon wren]

yes

[glacial totem]

How do I do a macro to switch from dstance to bstance back and forth with just taking up one button space on my bar? 😛

[modern brook]

in current content i donte ven have a bind for dstance

[strong forum]

pins

[prisma crane]

fair enough

[glacial totem]

Here in this channel?

@strong forum

[strong forum]

yes

[glacial totem]

Ok nice thx

[modern brook]

#protection message

[strong forum]

evil

posting the screenshot so you cant copy paste

[prisma crane]

screenshot to prove the pin exists, not to do all the work for him lol

[modern brook]

my mans got a green heart 😦

[glacial totem]

dope thx!

[modern brook]

dont thank me

thank genshii

[glacial totem]

SS to IP? What does it mean

[modern brook]

Shieldslam to IP

and iirc its to snipe resets

[strong forum]

its to snipe SS resets when you want to press IP

specifically in that order
/cast Ignore Pain /cast Shield Slam

to replace your IP bind

do not put this macro onto your regular SS keybind

[glacial totem]

Sry, im super new to Warr - what do you mean with sniping resets?

[modern brook]

NGL i never knew that was called strategist

[strong forum]

its new with DF

[modern brook]

oh thank god

[strong forum]

it used to be included within SS rank 2 prior to DF

now its a talent

[modern brook]

I thought i was a (outed) poser

[strong forum]

dw we all know youre a poser

[modern brook]

❤️

NGL

I really thought that talent was just shieldslam this whole time lmao

[blazing condor]

i got DF

[glacial totem]

So you use the macro instead of your "normal" IP bind, so that you dont miss the procs from Strategist when you at the same time wanna use IP?

[misty moth]

Looking forward to prot warriors that don't take strategist

[modern brook]

Specifically because you can get a strategist proc from your autoattack with devestator, sometimes its resets off the gcd. The macro will use IP then immediately consume the slam proc so you dont miss a cast or waste any rage

[strong forum]

yes

[uneven mason]

Sword and board

[strong forum]

thats a pvp talent

[glacial totem]

Ok nice and it should just look like this?
/cast Ignore Pain
/cast Shield Slam
@strong forum

[uneven mason]

Yeah but snb is what the reset was originally called

[strong forum]

yes, make sure to include the @strong forum aswell

[modern brook]

[glacial totem]

Ofc!

[drifting fable]

[strong forum]

it brings good luck

[glacial totem]

Why would I miss it?

[misty moth]

What happens if you hit IP while in the GCD?

[glacial totem]

Its like mandatorYYYYY

[solid sun]

Can I add the Nomeratur tag to all my abilities

[uneven mason]

If you're bnet friends maksure it sends him a tell Evey time

[strong forum]

you just send IP like normal

[uneven mason]

"am I doing it right"

[strong forum]

its a small optimisation and wont cost you any performance

itll rather just slightly increase it

[misty moth]

Gotcha

[solid sun]

It's relevant both now and in df right

[modern brook]

Yeah it will stay relevenat

[silent cave]

imagine having a macro that whispers @strong forum every time someone uses it

[uneven mason]

Gonna setup a log pipe to @ nom every time I block

[knotty idol]

How good is pain and gain? See a few videos of people running it in high keys but just looks kinda mid to me maybe I'm underestimating it

[modern brook]

what were you considering over it?

[knotty idol]

Sidearm, honed reflexes or overwhelming rage

[median tulip]

I generally learn towards Overwhelming Rage unless I really have a need for something else

[smoky dock]

This new build for beta needs to come out wtf

[uneven mason]

No warrior changes

Just hp dmg change plz

[modern brook]

side arm i tihnk is just a bad talent tbh, but honed/OR i could see

tbh im pretty sure pag is just a "i need 20 to break the gate" pick

[uneven mason]

Sidearm makes no srnse

But at least it's impact is greater than zero

[knotty idol]

If you had high crit would sidearm + wild strikes be good dps? I want to believeeee

[uneven mason]

So it's better than 60% of bear options

[uneven mason]

Extremely doubtful

[knotty idol]

What about sidearm, wild strikes and battering ram for maximum attack speed

Full meme

[uneven mason]

But it'll probably be possible to sim

Idk if nom ignored sidearm

[median tulip]

Didn't they swap Sidearm and Barbaric Training on Beta? Or has that gone live already?

[uneven mason]

Idk tbh

I think we're just dandy

[solid sun]

Sidearm is picked up in the m+ and raid talent builds on wowhead

[modern brook]

TBH i confuse myself on that one constantly

[median tulip]

Sidearm is boring. Practical, but boring.

[modern brook]

side arm is literally just a damage throughput option

[median tulip]

ultimately it's 4% AP per white hit ST, up to 16%AP on 4 targets.

[modern brook]

I've had it do like at most 1% and change

[uneven mason]

It's there as filler, not bad or good just another rung on that side of the ladder

[glacial totem]

Do we ever use Impending Victory in M+?

[south zealot]

if you want

[uneven mason]

Yee

You'll use it

[median tulip]

I would guess it's a bit better as Fury? They go white attack fast, right?

[modern brook]

prolly

[uneven mason]

It's not

[modern brook]

I tihnk the point is really

theres never going ot be a "side arm build"

thats not the point of the talent

[median tulip]

It's good, but if you need the utility point elsewhere you don't Need-Need it, really

[uneven mason]

It's not a core talent, just use it if you want, minimal impact

[modern brook]

inb4 10.2 tierset just triples our attack speed and makes every 4th side arm proc avatar or some shit

[median tulip]

I'll almost always prefer survivability/utility over a minor amount of damage

[outer thorn]

does the bounces generate any extra rage?

[modern brook]

not to my knowledge, but tbh never tested

[uneven mason]

Sidearm now also triggers shattering throw

[outer thorn]

sidearm now places a ravager on each target hit

[modern brook]

high key i think wrecking throw is being slept on hard

[mellow quartz]

@strong forum you had a birdy tell you abt the bleed removal in HoV?

[modern brook]

esp for current m+ content

[uneven mason]

Hey now we're not ret paladins here, let's keep it logical

[charred idol]

Sidearm has a 25% chance to trigger a new sidearm(The proc can trigger)

https://tenor.com/view/burn-elmo-pyro-burn-it-down-ashes-gif-5632946

[modern brook]

idk if u ever actually saw the side arm animation

but that would be very silly

[ebon wren]

dude I've tried max melee speedup builds and my conclusion was, sidearm sucks under all circumstances.

[charred idol]

It doesn't suck in my dreams.. 😮‍💨

[knotty idol]

Is it on gcd?

[modern brook]

it is but no cast time and it just fucks up shields which every dungeon has at least one guaranteed

[knotty idol]

Defo good this season against the dreadlord boss

But idk about DF dungeons

[modern brook]

yeah its def a flex pick in the same way berzerker rage is

[mellow quartz]

Eye of the storm on Hyrja is going to be nasty AF now

[modern brook]

but it has a very high high if the dungeon/fight allows for it

Like consider wrecking throw in Necrotic wake, if that was still relevent

[mellow quartz]

Wait what! They buffed sanctify on Hyrja

What the actual fuck

It 1 shot your whole group on 1 hit on a 15 already.

Buffed it by 50%…so confused

[radiant magnet]

gonna be rough w/ typical pugs

[mellow quartz]

Was 1 touch = everyone dead

[outer thorn]

I just hope there is no mechanic where you can grief as hard as people did with stitchflesh hook

[mellow quartz]

Touch sanctify and everyone but the tank dies

[radiant magnet]

I mean... it still is I guess

just means you all die on +7 now instead of +15

[mellow quartz]

I think they meant to nerf it by 50% but made a mistake and buffed it

[radiant magnet]

dont get hit 🙂

could be

[mellow quartz]

Can’t believe they didn’t touch void spawns in shadowmoon burial grounds.

[uneven mason]

The #1 reason for bricked nw keys

[mellow quartz]

And no change to the war guys at the start of Nokhud Offensive that 1 shot people over and over either

[uneven mason]

Better make sure everyone has their kick

[mellow quartz]

Can’t kick those

Talking abt the big guys before last boss

[dry heart]

Is there a way to track how much rage you’re wasting by over capping

[mellow quartz]

In logs

Under resources

Or in details

Under rage gen I think it says waste as well

[dry heart]

Thanks