And a significant amount of extra heals just from being healed?
#protection
chilly brook
mellow quartz
If monks are the most reliant on healers and healers are getting a relative nerf then monks are getting a relative nerf
prisma crane
healers get nerfed, most reliant on healers means they got hit the hardest, relatively
its not hard to grasp
no one is saying monks are fucked now
prisma crane
except him
chilly brook
I sincerely doubt there is any noticeable difference for monks
chrome falcon
reroll ww or delete your characters
uneven mason
But they literally just got their second button
mellow quartz
40% increase in damage is not insignificant
chilly brook
healers complain?
They do when they’re told to dps
prisma crane
people arent saying this change was a bad one, we're just discussing the relative gains and losses from it, even if ultimately low impact
median tulip
It's best for BDK. It's ok for us, albeit it shifts our potential healing away from leeching off our damage output, which is a shame as I quite liked the idea of a somewhat assault focused tank. I don't know enough about the rest to comment.
Let's hope it makes all the FOTM people go back to BDK tho
chilly brook
people arent saying this change was a bad one, we're just discussing the relativ...
The assumption of a relative gain or loss assumes monk doesn’t become easier to heal as their health pool gets larger
Which could also be somewhat offset by higher damage intake
But again they are very good at dealing with anything other than dots or magic
sand drum
wondering if swaping OWS for Salvaged fusion amp ? since I feel good on haste now in prepatch ?
and be more pew pew dps ?
mellow quartz
Will be interesting to see healers pov of this change in m+ this weekend.
How they feel now
Like the aoe guys in RLP
jagged pier
wondering if swaping OWS for Salvaged fusion amp ? since I feel good on haste no...
if u want pew pew dps u go scars
mellow quartz
The big guys in shadow moon lol
scenic path
It's best for BDK. It's ok for us, albeit it shifts our potential healing away f...
Amen
sand drum
if u want pew pew dps u go scars
Roger That Jakey :> will try it not sure what to spend coin at so :>
median tulip
I will say, as someone who plays healer sometimes, that the change will make the player skill of the tank much more noticeable in terms of how much EHRPS the healer has to do. You'll barely notice it with a good tank, but a bad one will be a horrendous experience.
Which is not a bad thing
mellow quartz
EHRPS will only be an issue if the healing becomes a struggle.
If it’s just a relative nerf but they still have no issues healing people up then it’s whatever.
If they now can’t keep up in large intakes then it’s different.
outer thorn
Am I reading this right that thunder clap will now cost 10 rage instead of generate 5 rage?
mellow quartz
No
Be careful looking at datamined stuff. Especially for abilities shared between specs.
outer thorn
Im looking at the wowhead talent calculator, it says 0 rage on tc itself and 10 rage cost increase on blood and thunder
median tulip
Im looking at the wowhead talent calculator, it says 0 rage on tc itself and 10 ...
That's for Arms
For us it's a generator, same as it ever was
outer thorn
just a talent calculator bug then
median tulip
Not sure which calculator you're on. My wowhead looks like this:
outer thorn
thats what it looked like for me yesterday too
median tulip
🤷♂️
edgy bone
What is our opinion on the seismic reverb legendary
mellow quartz
thats what it looked like for me yesterday too
that is because you are looking at arms or fury instead of the prot view
median tulip
What is our opinion on the seismic reverb legendary
It's good, you can use it right now to save a talent point in pre-patch, but it'll be obsolete the moment DF launches
edgy bone
It's good, you can use it right now to save a talent point in pre-patch, but it'...
I'm using THE WALL Right now
What talent point does it overlap with
mellow quartz
with the wall 🙂
patent osprey
Before you ask: The tooltip on the legendary is wrong, even though it says 75%, it only does 30%. Same as the talent
😉
But if you want the open point, u can run the legendary for it
outer thorn
Id hate to be a blizzard gm for the next few months lmao
forest dagger
Anybody else getting this error when trying to run a sim on raidbots?
scenic path
We’re just dorks
truth
urban portal
Before you ask: The tooltip on the legendary is wrong, even though it says 75%, ...
Really
Is it bait
minor helm
Real and true actually
forest dagger
Prots don't sim
but, but, I wanna... 🤣
balmy nacelle
Damn, i just saw the pins that unbreakable will is going away and now im sad 😦
balmy nacelle
oh lo
was looking at it on retail
Just discovered it last night after trying prot for the first time since BfA
limpid kite
Not pwar related, but anyone have problems with closing tabs with esc ?
I used to close character panel with esc and I cant do it now. Its even frustrating in a key when I fatfinger achievments and I have to close it with mouse
covert sentinel
can someone recommend an addon for the buffs and debuffs inthe top right corner?
mellow quartz
to do what with the buff and debuffs?
you can freely move them now with the standard UI
uneven mason
I used to close character panel with esc and I cant do it now. Its even frustrat...
Are you playing boomkin on wotlkc
covert sentinel
something tochange the look...the blizz thing is so..idk naste?
mellow quartz
they don't allow you to change the default buff and debuff fields beyond the build in stuff
covert sentinel
before the prepatch raven would dothat...is it gone since patch?
scenic path
can I just say.
I'm going to miss banner.
RIP
mellow quartz
before the prepatch raven would dothat...is it gone since patch?
dunno the elvui devs have said in the past that blizzard stuff is locked down preventing them from changing those
covert sentinel
hm...sad but thy
limpid kite
Are you playing boomkin on wotlkc
I played pwar
uneven mason
Ok only time I heard that glitch was from typhoon bugging
prisma crane
Anybody else getting this error when trying to run a sim on raidbots?
you have to change DR to TR
modern brook
but, but, I wanna... 🤣
im doing prot sims for 12 bucks
mellow quartz
didn't nome say none of the DF abilities are implemented in simc yet?
minor helm
Damn that’s a month and a half of twitter verification
modern brook
who needs simc
minor helm
modern brook
just give me a screen shot of your bags and i can tell you bis
severe hatch
So in regard to this 40% stamina and mob damage buff, does this not just raise Pwarr stocks even further relative to the other tanks, due to the percentage-based nature of IP and block?
mellow quartz
So in regard to this 40% stamina and mob damage buff, does this not just raise P...
IP is based on AP not HP (HP is only the IP cap). self healing tanks relative value has increased, tanks that are more reliant on healer power (which has been reduced) has decreased
FBV and BV value has gone down relatively but IP is still strong on its own given how much rage we generate and spam it
ocean bloom
so brew stonks: 📉 dk stonks 📈
mellow quartz
pretty much how I see it
prisma crane
and warrior ______
ocean bloom
warrior prob even?
mellow quartz
doesnt hurt us much in a vacuum
ocean bloom
in theory our spell reflects are bigger now too 🙂
prisma crane
this is true
assuming they actually allow us to keep any of the fun reflects
back in legion we had lots, lately it feels like all the decent ones get removed
mellow quartz
omg wanna see that SR on 2nd boss in shadowmoon burial now
almost 4m damage per hit on a 15 now
prisma crane
5.6M then
mellow quartz
was 2.8m
prisma crane
ooh
either way, that's a buff i didnt think about
again, provided they dont take it from us
so much lately is just a deflect instead of reflect 😦 should just fucking rename the thing
mighty valley
i can only remember them getting removed in SL when reflecting deleted raid mechanics
prisma crane
there was a few in BFA iirc that allowed us to do pally level of fun stuff but they removed ours, pally could still do their thing
mighty valley
mordretha scythe reflects were sweet
forest dagger
im doing prot sims for 12 bucks
best I can do is $3.50
mighty valley
synced up aetherdivers
radiant magnet
seems legit
minor helm
Crit is pog!!!!
tawdry aspen
Nothing works so far. Even changing servers/factions/delete undelete. There are several posts in EU and US forums. Unless blizz does something ur char is completely bricked
severe hatch
IP is based on AP not HP (HP is only the IP cap). self healing tanks relative va...
Right but IP absorbs based on a percentage of incoming damage. Given that we're rage-flooded, generation of the IP itself hasn't been a limiting factor
Maybe it will be now idk
urban portal
In most content
You worry more about overcapping ip than not having enough
I feel like this is net neutral or buff
urban portal
i got u 3 dollars please :^)
Where 4d sims
severe hatch
Where 4d sims
You just have to give it some time
tawdry aspen
just make a ticket and see what they say
Tickets take 20 + days and I dont think a GM can solve what it seems a server engineering issue.
grave crane
is it only on your warr that you cant take talents?
uneven mason
Sounds sus
modern brook
I had to uninstall peggle 😦
runic sparrow
how the fuck did this guy do 41k on dausegne
severe hatch
How many PI
modern brook
0
jagged pier
how the fuck did this guy do 41k on dausegne
theres 3 affixes on a boss now
runic sparrow
i know, but 41k is still pretty absurd considering where the rest of the logs are at
severe hatch
Anything is possible with the power of mote cheese
jagged pier
hmm i wonder what he was cheesing on
runic sparrow
yeah i see that it's motes, still absurd regardless
uneven mason
Looks like some shenanigans
uneven mason
yeah i see that it's motes, still absurd regardless
You sir never saw our mythic Zul logs
That was absurd
strong forum
i wasnt allowed to pad on the gnashers
cuz id just kill them
😦
i also couldnt tank them cuz they wouldnt heal off of me to be able to be abused by rogues
so my bdk had to tank them
pwar bad btw
tawdry aspen
is it only on your warr that you cant take talents?
it is one character/spec in particular. Several people have this problem with choice nodes. People have changed faction,servers, delete undelete, delete chache, reinstall the game. Nothing works
strong forum
how the fuck did this guy do 41k on dausegne
is this where i link the same example but the m+ version?
icy yarrow
@strong forum i need a emoji of this temple of emotions, the true disappointment and rejection, really liked the cast, always spreading the good info 👌
uneven mason
@strong forum I second that emotion
strong forum
im a very emotional guy what can i say
elder bay
im a very emotional guy what can i say
you mean to say, passionate
strong forum
uneven mason
We needed that emoji whenever someone would ask about the trinket that shall not b named
elder bay
I second that
mellow quartz
it's really hard to test the damage increase and more HP with BV bugged on beta 😦
at abt 45-50 stacks on the tanking dummy it was hard to capped out IP outside of big CDs coming up
elder bay
guys, what tmog gives the most dps?
strong forum
T3, Primal elite glad, Cruel Elite glad are the top3
elder bay
strong forum
after that its other elite mogs
prisma crane
T3, Primal elite glad, Cruel Elite glad are the top3
i've used Cruel Elite since it came out, it's so clean
strong forum
oh and challenge mode set and the polar set are also top tier
and the set of undead slaying
elder bay
i've used Cruel Elite since it came out, it's so clean
so is @strong forum according to todays video
strong forum
prisma crane
T6 was just so good, so an updated version was bound to be BiS
plus non-chunk boots are 👌
meanwhile the tier right after that in antorus was metal uggs
wispy tapir
awesome podcast fellas
radiant magnet
Codex is the best trinket for lvl 70 heroics
wary heath
Does the 40% hp and creature dmg mean anything for us
strong forum
The HP changes mean nothing for us
Only brew and pally suffer from it
Because their self healing is AP based, not HP based
placid vale
Indom isnt worse now with more hp?
mellow bridge
indom heals you for a % of hp
so no
bear kinda suffers as well if they skill ufr
wary heath
Do we need to take more defensive now over offense to compensate for 40% more Incoming dmg
placid vale
Ah its a % oh max hp
mellow bridge
Do we need to take more defensive now over offense to compensate for 40% more In...
literally nothing changed
placid vale
The damage is the same, since mobs desl 40 more dmg but we have 40 more hp
So it neuters
wary heath
strong forum
Literally nothing changes for tanks besides pally and brew
wary heath
Alright thx 🙏
strong forum
Except that we actually lose hp every now and again
But our self healing prowess is the same
placid vale
So, pwar or vdh for s1
median tulip
Only brew and pally suffer from it
VDH?
placid vale
What do you think will be meta?
wary heath
The self healing might feel more noticeable if our hp is actually moving now. Seemed to stay at 100% forever
placid vale
Brew and pally are screwed xD
median tulip
I haven't played VDH since season 2; did they move away from AP healing with spirit bomb?
sand pebble
Why is it that there needs to be a single class thats 'meta'
strong forum
What do you think will be meta?
Evoker
The deal the most damage currently
Out of all healers
placid vale
True
With 2 fucking buttons too
Im on the fence myself on tanking like last 10 years or try healing with Evoker...time magic is damn cool
wary heath
Evoker more than mw? How
elder bay
so when you adding the @strong forum emoji?
strong forum
I don't have that power
placid vale
2 words. Fire breath
strong forum
You can bully @oblique garnet or @ionic fern to add it
urban portal
So it neuters
It’s not net neutral
You are taking more damage
Because each point of healing is worth less in comparison
How much more damage is another question
oblique garnet
so when you adding the <@192743144276623360> emoji?
I dont even have one 
wary heath
Does spamming revenge just refresh deep wounds or does it add them to form a massive DoT? Thunder clapping past the 1st rend application seems to do less damage than just spamming revenge..
Are people alternating clap and revenge or only single clapping
sand pebble
tc on cd, it does lots of damage
lusty grotto
I dont even have one <:danderson:904606068108304424>
false yours is 
lusty grotto
Does spamming revenge just refresh deep wounds or does it add them to form a mas...
Show of Force
read the talent
also learn what outburst applies to
wary heath
I dont think show of force raises TC up to the damage that revenge + the double hit does
Especially if rend is already on everything
lusty grotto
you dont think
do you have math?
do you know what we call that part of your sentence
also not to mention TC is a rage generator
lusty grotto
youre never gonna be in a situation where youre choosing one over the other
prisma crane
I dont think show of force raises TC up to the damage that revenge + the double ...
just above, this log was posted
i think it speaks for itself
lusty grotto
thinkcraft though
prisma crane
dont get me wrong, im all for feelycraft, and to some extent TC usage comes down a bit to how you prioritize stuff
but
it's clearly strong, despite all the buffs revenge has
and imo the real likely reason is simply the difference between it being a builder vs spender
median tulip
I mean, ideally you're alternating between TClap and Revenge during Avatar (when running UF)
prisma crane
unlimited rage, sure, use revenge more, but in practice you cant sustain it
sand pebble
its very simple - press tc when its avail and press revenge if you have the rage to spend to do so
prisma crane
- profit
sand pebble
and just forget trying to feelycraft it at all
prisma crane
na, i think feelycraft is important to try new stuff
but you have to be humble enough to admit when something doesnt pan out as expected
orchid mural
feelycraft?
lusty grotto
feelcraft
median tulip
feelycraft?
making decisions based on how you feel things work, in place of doing the maths to show how it works
prisma crane
basic enough to form an idea, not extensive enough to exhaust all scenarios
sand pebble
feelycraft?
yes when you ignore all the testing, math and a huge amount of info into sims and ingame testing and just simply 'think something else is better because it feels like it is'
orchid mural
yes when you ignore all the testing, math and a huge amount of info into sims an...
oh! so, teenager-craft
sand pebble
haha
prisma crane
i think that's too dismissive of a way to describe it
lusty grotto
oh! so, teenager-craft
nah boomers do it too
indeed it is
that's a stupid comment tbh
orchid mural
nah boomers do it too
u're not wrong. thank god we're millenials.
prisma crane
anyone genuinely interested in finding ways to improve will feelcraft to begin with
sand pebble
i might be too old to even understand what any of those labels mean tbh
lusty grotto
i might be even older
orchid mural
no shit eh
lusty grotto
im almost 40
median tulip
anyhow the point is that you can sit down, calculate all the factors, and get some idea of the relative strengths of the different approaches
prisma crane
34 here
orchid mural
im 38, and apparently am the "millenial" generation, so i'm told.
strong forum
Nimchip? More like AncientChip
knotty venture
42 😄
lusty grotto
Nimchip? More like AncientChip
listen here sonny boy
median tulip
I will however add a note of caution: there can be approaches which work in theory, but do not pan out in actual practice in a fight
prisma crane
to be fair wow players are an aging demo anyways
strong forum
According to the Internet I'm also almost grandpa age
orchid mural
@strong forum @jagged pier thanks for the stream with Flame - gave me something to listen to on the commute :p
sand pebble
40 - feel like 83
strong forum
Everybody knows if youre above 25 you're literally dead
median tulip
I was already in my 20s when I played the original beta
strong forum
Same tbh
median tulip
Anyhow; beware the occasional SimTrap, but otherwise apply maths
prisma crane
and if you're ok with waiting, just look at top logs
strong forum
^
But it's important to evaluate the data you look at properly
Otherwise you get another vdh in SL beta moment
Or a bfa pwar->9.0 pwar moment
Where blizz nerfs based on poor data evaluation
median tulip
cough Enhancement Shaman cough
prisma crane
sims are only as good as the info they're given, and new ways to min-max are always evolving as more hands get on things
sand pebble
does blizz currently get most of it pwar feedback from here, or the 'top tanks that play multiple classes'
strong forum
That's just cuz its in the rulebook that shaman isn't ever allowed to be strong
prisma crane
they should read here IMO but doubtful they do
lusty grotto
so uhhh speaking of which, whos working on the APL, are you Nome?
prisma crane
its mostly feedback
lusty grotto
nice nice
sand pebble
well whatever combo of things that happened for df pwar i love it, best its ever felt
strong forum
I could pre-write it already
lusty grotto
godspeed my friend
lusty grotto
prisma crane
personally i think pwarr has had moments i enjoyed more, but we're FAR from in a bad spot as far as fun to play goes at least, so ill take it
strong forum
Most the work is done anyway with just writing the IP line
Rest is just simple CD usage
mighty valley
if i was a game dev responsible for a class, it would be really hard to try and dip into a class discord and parse useful feedback. some have the time and mentality to immerse themselves in a community and get good at taking the pulse
oblique garnet
im almost 40
Actual grandpa
mighty valley
but imagine if you were like "got half an hour in my work day to try and gather some deep prot warrior feedback" and we were having an apb conversation about haste being evil
craggy pilot
why is LFR wait time so long 😦
lusty grotto
yeah the amount of misinformation that comes through in here is kinda rough
lusty grotto
Actual grandpa
👴
sand pebble
yeah the amount of misinformation that comes through in here is kinda rough
i vendored a codex last night, was that right or wrong?
prisma crane
i think it's a good way to get an idea of how reception of a change is going, which i know comes with faults, but reception still matters
sand pebble
ty
oblique garnet
Shouldve deleted it
sand pebble
i finally got a rdm from vault to replace stone heradly
oblique garnet
Vendoring gives it value
sand pebble
hahahaha
gleaming mica
OWS or RDM first dinar?
lusty grotto
the trash compactor
craggy pilot
anyone know a good way to raid, without a guild, that is not pugging? 🤔
oblique garnet
anyone know a good way to raid, without a guild, that is not pugging? 🤔
No
gleaming mica
Become friends with people and then start your own raid
sand pebble
i have 1 dinar left and am hoping to grab the shield
prisma crane
anyone know a good way to raid, without a guild, that is not pugging? 🤔
LFR
prisma crane
LFR with less gear equipped
sand pebble
then i need to pug either 2 mythic kills or 3 heroic kills to upgrade it
my guild stopped raiding 3 weeks ago
prisma crane
in a slightly more serious answer, your restrictions leave basically one option, you find a guild that's competent but needs a tank (these are extremely rare)
gleaming mica
Beyond rare
prisma crane
if you wanna be a shithead you can raid with a team as if you're trialing and just not join them, but it's a dick move imo
lusty grotto
better chances are winning the mega millions tbh
gleaming mica
Tanks are so abundant anymore it’s unreal.
prisma crane
thats not so much the issue
lusty grotto
its not that
mighty valley
There are occasionally regular "pugs" that organize cross-server on discords so it's barely even pugging any more
lusty grotto
its the hard lock to 2 tanks per raid
sand pebble
gm is prot pally, ot plays whatever is considered meta every season - i have a deal with pally that he will tank prog bosses and ill tank reclears
prisma crane
its that having a solid raid team without a consistent tank is almost impossible
lusty grotto
and that
but consider that out of all the roles
tanks have the least number of required slots in any raid size
its always constant
prisma crane
you'd have to have a revolving door of GOOD tanks to make up for their lack of experience with the rest of the team and likely differences in strats per that raid's comp
lusty grotto
it doesnt matter the number of tanks, if you bottleneck at the raid comp
mighty valley
especially for non-mythic guilds, they can recruit a billion dps and healers if they feel like it, but just need two tanks every week
prisma crane
and if a raid cant keep tanks, it's usually a fatal sign
median tulip
My Guild has three Tank Mains, but we have a rule that everyone should have a DPS spec. We were also stupidly overburdened with healers at the end of S3
sand pebble
we found healers got bored and wanted to dps
mighty valley
i will say that the need for a "good tank" is lower than it's ever been, the mechanics burden on the tank is generally lower than dps and healers tbh
median tulip
Our healers are /rolling for the heal slots
mighty valley
which also means that you can't really find a guild by excelling
median tulip
especially late on when you can drop a healer for faster clears
lusty grotto
mighty valley
since if you're semi-decent at world of warcraft and show up every week? good enough tank
prisma crane
imo, tanking at an adequate level is extremely easy, but the harder to quantify intuition that comes with experienced tanks is hard to replicate unless a player is just an excellent player all around
so having random off tanks is still not great
mighty valley
sure, at the top 100 level, but you can see some wild bad tank logs even in mythic full clears
median tulip
Most raid bosses have a lot less need for reactive tank play. Raid bosses are usually heavily scripted.
prisma crane
tbh i think that intuition matters more at the lower mythic end
top end players have shit down to a science, less need to react on the fly
mighty valley
but usually the pipeline just goes... we lost a tank? one of our smartest DPS should take the tank spot and we'll find another DPS
prisma crane
by react i mean to react to what raiders are doing, not the fight itself
primarily wrt positioning
median tulip
IMEx what usually happens is that one of the DPS gets pissed off with how long it takes to get a tank for M+, starts tanking those, and then it's like "hey, $MAIN_TANK can't make it tonight, can you tank" and then you're a guild tank
median tulip
(offering to tank M+ is a decent way for a DPS to make themselves useful to a guild when they're on trial as well. other DPS classes like having someone who offers to tank)
sand pebble
nah i was a mt for most of wow, swapped to mm in antorus cause guild faction/server swapped for a bigger mythic raiding pool to recruit from - that guild fell apart in cn hungering prog so i joined my current guild as fury - since then they like oooo you have a hunter? cool bring that - you can tank??? cool you cna backup raid tank
gleaming mica
(offering to tank M+ is a decent way for a DPS to make themselves useful to a gu...
My life the last few years.
prisma crane
when you speak of the devil :>
to be fair, complaining about people in LFR is like complaining about someone going slow in the right lane, or making fun of a fat person at the gym, sure they could be doing better, but at least they're in the right place
median tulip
You're in LFR
prisma crane
imo you're the one being rude there
median tulip
Yeah
sand pebble
they prolly in lfr trying to replace codex
prisma crane
aggressive unsolicited advice is always going to be met that way
if you wanted to actually help them there's ways to explain why it's not great without coming off that way
median tulip
I mean, the guy has a blue shield, he's clearly just working up
Anyhow, Question: How many points are people putting into the right/middle part of the prot tree?
sand pebble
the exact amount thats pinned
median tulip
(From FbV/BV down to Enduring Alacrity)
lusty grotto
yeah that was kinda rude of you, ive roasted people in here but ive never gone out of my way to tell them how they are wrong in that way
prisma crane
i want to do 4 because i like the idea of bigger bleeds, but 3 makes sense because you need those points later
lusty grotto
and trust me ive seen worse
just a few weeks before prepatch i hopped on a heroic jailer group to find a venthyr prot that had all the wrong talents
and couldnt do positioning to save his life
prisma crane
there will always be a bigger idiot, and some people just straight up dont care, and that's ok
we're 100% in the minority of players by being a member of an external source of information looking for ways to improve
lusty grotto
true true
mighty valley
Anyhow, Question: How many points are people putting into the right/middle part ...
right now? tough as nails and punish
sand pebble
i mean venth prot in heroic is pretty bad
lusty grotto
even then i removed his name, bullying is never the answer
sand pebble
prolly an arms warr being made to swap cause 'couldnt find a tank'
mighty valley
you can be anything in heroic tbh, it's not stats that's usually holding back a heroic guild
prisma crane
also that
lusty grotto
before prepatch arms as venthyr? that'd be rough
mighty valley
hell, door of shadows for when someone fucks up p2 positioning sounds great
median tulip
i want to do 4 because i like the idea of bigger bleeds, but 3 makes sense becau...
Yeah, Bloodborne just isn't worth the 2 points, but is anything there really worth the investment. Bolster doesn't look worth it without UnF, and I can't afford UnF, and Punish is... good, but for an M+ build using UF/TClap spam I'm not sure if it's worth it over throwing points at the left of the tree and TClapping more
mighty valley
Oh are you talking for 70?
mighty valley
Yeah Bolster isn't necessary, tough as nails is worth a point though, and punish fine in ST
craggy pilot
did i see someone mention Seismic Legendary doesnt actually do 75% dmg, and only does 35% like the talent?
mighty valley
no no, I absolutely understand that you were being bad as a joke, as a funny bit
mighty valley
did i see someone mention Seismic Legendary doesnt actually do 75% dmg, and only...
yeah correct
i had my dreams shattered yesterday
oh well it's only prepatch
craggy pilot
so whats the best legendary then, if not using Reprisal?
Reprisal and the Wall is just extra Rage right?
which we alrdy have ton of anyway
anyone tried Vitality Sacrifice?
mighty valley
i mean the wall and seismic both read "save one talent point"
craggy pilot
ye tru, so Reprisal is only good one then?
lusty grotto
??
mighty valley
a talent point is a decent amount!
lusty grotto
what makes you say that
mighty valley
if you really want to tryhard, you can work around reprisal and cut a bunch of unnecessary shield block uptime talents to squeeze out some damage
or
you could wear seismic and vibe
lusty grotto
low ppm
craggy pilot
ye ok but still up to 9% dmg
lusty grotto
yes it has been tested, its been in the game for a while
grave crane
its been in the game for an entire expansion and its not good
mighty valley
nice QOL when our rage income is super high, not much else of high value at the same tier
lusty grotto
its not cause outbursted SS on LS windows usually insta capped raged with 100 rage
mighty valley
it turns into more used rage since there are times when capping is basically guaranteed
lusty grotto
right
mighty valley
and where else is it going? sidearm for <1% dps?
lusty grotto
making sure rage caps dont happen with a bigger pool is important for AM/VO/etc
do you have outburst?
do you have unnerving focus
mighty valley
in aoe, with last stand running, with an outburst proc, it's pretty likely
lusty grotto
i know we're mentioning last stand, but maybe if you dont have Unnerving then youre probably not seeing it
most of us have it conduited, which is why its not picked as a talent in the builds
but they assume you do have it
mighty valley
we might not run it come 70, but it's basically a freebie right now
lusty grotto
that still assumes you have the conduits
unnerving, and any that you might want a free talent on
mighty valley
so long as I can brainlessly get 100% banner uptime, I'm doing it
lusty grotto
and of course the banner one
mighty valley
til blizzard says fun season is over
lusty grotto
right
mighty valley
yeah, it's ~50% increased rage gen, makes a huge difference
mighty valley
i think you can just buy all the conduits for basically nothing now?
mighty valley
well, depends on how overpowered you want to be for the next three weeks
otherwise no, nothing matter rn
zealous willow
When we are in avatar do we spam TC over Revenge ?
urban portal
if you arent going to overcap rage
median tulip
When we are in avatar do we spam TC over Revenge ?
TC will be every other GCD, so alternate them for the SoF buff
zealous willow
thanks
jolly inlet
Yal think there will be a tank tuning pass ?
lusty grotto
sure
best bet is to go back to BDK just in case
you're welcome
most of us prefer the underrepresented underdogs anyway
wary heath
@lusty grotto damn bro don't bully me 
lusty grotto
huh
median tulip
best bet is to go back to BDK just in case
lol
oak echo
max conduits (278 ilvl) are rep locked though
they're not rep locked. just cost 10k flux
lusty grotto
i stand corrected
oak echo
if only there was something useful like that to spend boat loads of valor on 😦
lusty grotto
ive been pumping arms/fury gear
well
i was
cause now valor is just burning a hole in there
honestly though flux comes by easily
can afk in oribos and get it
oak echo
yeah i was just hoping we'd get like m0 gear again like past seasons to help gear alts but not like it'll matter soon
mighty valley
m0 gear is already pretty good rn
mighty valley
yeah, you can just get alts pretty overgeared for df leveling quickly right now, even more with prepatch event coming up
don't think they really needed another system
lusty grotto
i havent touched my alts, theyre still max s1 ilvl lmaoo
wraith hemlock
Are you lads using defensive stance of nah?
Been doing chill stuff (heroic raid/M15+-19+) and it feels like overkill
lusty grotto
then no
and thats the short answer
but we might need to in DF, doesnt really seem like it but its good to understand that its a free 20% DR
well, not free since dps loss but still
brainless is probably the right word
mellow quartz
will be interesting to see how things feel friday with m+ and the new 40% increased damage
mighty valley
really don't think it'll feel that different to us tbh
mighty valley
our health is also going up by the same amount, all our mitigation and healing is % based
mellow quartz
the overall number left behind is larger though and healers power level stays the same
mighty valley
it's mostly going to be about healers working harder to refill group health bars
lusty grotto
will be interesting to see outside of a tank perspective honestly
warm plinth
It'll feel somewhat different I would imagine. After all, if you mitigate 30% of 100k, it's different than mitigating 30% of 140k.
mighty valley
well, if you mitigate 30% of 10% of your healthbar, it feels the same as mitigating 30% of 10% of your healthbar, right?
mellow quartz
if you have 80% mitigation and you got hit for 100k you took 20k damage, at 140k hits you take 28k damage at the same mitigation so healers will have to heal you 40% more still
mighty valley
right, it will be harder for healers to rectify our mistakes
but if you were feeling sturdy and like you didn't really need healer support much before, that will not change meaningfully
mellow quartz
people need to realize as well that they have slowly been upping the damage in the dungeons over the last weekend or 2
some things do damage
lusty grotto
well its safe to summarize this as: bad prots will feel it
non-bad prots wont, unless oopsies cause everyones human
mellow quartz
your ehrps is not 0 so no matter what the amount is now it will be 40% higher after this so just more strain on the healer together with the rest of the group damage
mighty valley
they can definitely tune it such that healers have to pump tanks to stay alive if they want to with this change
lusty grotto
im prepared to get my ass kicked just based on idk what the fuck to pull on these new dungeons
mighty valley
i just think the group damage component is gonna matter a lot more from the damage profiles i've been seeing
mellow quartz
I for one would like to see the top keys in S1 be like 25s max
not 35s
so overall like it
mighty valley
shadowlands s1 keys weren't crazy high, yeah
mellow quartz
take RLP as an example, people were complaining about the thunderhead 1 shotting people
dusky crest
everything was overtuned
mellow quartz
this is a fix for that
mighty valley
what does overtuned even mean in a scaling system
anything above ksm is for bragging rights
mellow quartz
they can make things more lethal without having to 1 shot, they can now tune it down a bit but healers will have more trouble topping people between dispel no1 and the 2nd debuff doing off so a more challenging mechanic without 1 shotting immediately
dusky crest
season 1 plague fall and dos were something
getting all +15's was a challenge in itself
healer were literally pumping and you had to have a shaman in dos
mighty valley
?
dusky crest
I think I got all 15's at like what 5th week or something
and I was just never invited as a warrior so 
mighty valley
i was tanking 20 DOS as venthyr with all melee, no lust, holy priest healer
ksm turned into a super joke after s1, honestly thought the balance felt way off
ocean bloom
do we wait for shield slam to come off cd if we have an outburst proc? for more rage
mighty valley
in st? kind of depends, you generally want to set yourself up so that you won't have to wait
if it's close i'll slam revenge over TC to try and get the proc
but especially after outburst was nerfed i'm not letting an empty gcd go by to save for SS
oblique garnet
maybe the first 2 weeks
Was mostly just people being bad i tanked 15 on my 190 dh week 1
lusty grotto
true
lucid bough
dh was busted in s1
cobalt seal
Lol
cobalt seal
Thats why it was busted
lucid bough
they were taking 15% less damage from any source from a bugged passive and 40% less magic damage in another shit that was bugged.
cobalt seal
You pulling random numbers
oak echo
yes
ocean bloom
is there still no way to track BSV cd?
cobalt seal
they were taking less magic tho right
Yes
That was the bug
We were taking less magic dmg
But it was simply 15% less magic
Not what @lucid bough is dreaming about
mellow quartz
vdh was just really good at going in and using all their CD's and then running away
eager lodge
was the reflect spreadsheet removed from the pins?
eager lodge
wasnt there a df one in the pins?
eager lodge
rip
severe hatch
anything above ksm is for bragging rights
Not as much now that rewards scale up to KSH though
mellow quartz
do we even know if KSM will be all 20s?
wait they have another title for that right?
guess it will stay 15s then
or rating rather but still
severe hatch
AFAIK 15s still = KSM and 20s = KSH, but someone correct me if I'm wrong
sick sentinel
im testing the talent "Show of Force", it seems better to use the conduit with same name, is it possible?!?
severe hatch
Conduit doesn't increase Revenge damage itself
So not worth
And you'd be replacing either Adaptive Armor Fragment or Veteran's Repute for the Show of Force conduit, which would be a huge loss
Guess you could replace Ashen Juggernaut if you're running 3x potency but still pretty meh value
sick sentinel
really ty 😄
mighty valley
new m+ post says that ksm won't even be 15 now, but they're expecting 10+ to be a lot harder than it was
mellow quartz
It all just comes down to how it’s tuned vs our new player power but given the scaling above a +10 is 10% instead of previous 8%, if all else was equal it would be harder.
Kinda pathetic though.
mighty valley
KSM will hold even less weight as a marker of anything when it's this separate from the high end of the rewards
lusty grotto
agreed
well, kind of agreed, what are the numbers vs total pop of KSM this season at least?
because i'd say it was piss easy for most of us here but im curious as to the general population
mighty valley
idk, used to be like 10% of the section of players that actually touched m+, might've been more with how powerful we were in s2-4
mighty valley
majority of wow players don't really care about being good at wow
which is a pleasant way to be
mellow quartz
KSM will hold even less weight as a marker of anything when it's this separate f...
To be fair when has KSM meant anything?
peak bramble
KSM is character specific though right? 20% of my toons that touched M+ last season have KSM, just purely because my alts just did a 15 for vault and left it there. No doubt there's still a much larger % of the population that just doesn't care about playing keys but even M+er's probably contribute negatively to that stat
mighty valley
it at least meant "able to get the highest ilvl gear"
mellow quartz
Hard to get week 1 when you need Tyr and Fort keys 🙂
lusty grotto
in terms of the general pop of M+ players, id say KSM is still worth something
if its only 10%
mighty valley
yeah it's worth maintaining perspective
hybrid peak
Hard to get week 1 when you need Tyr and Fort keys 🙂
You need to do +21 I think
mighty valley
when we're like "lol if you're not doing a +69 you're not a real player"
peak bramble
I'm only a +68 gamer myself tbf
mellow quartz
if its only 10%
Most of those numbers are toons not players. So 10% of characters but if you have 10 alts it doesn’t mean anything.
hybrid peak
I know a few people who have ksm on 3-5 alts
fluid shard
My highest key ever was a +21 that i found very stressful, still very happy about KSM even though i know it’s not impressive. I guess it depends where you plan to stop pushing too.
mellow quartz
And then may have 10 other alts that don’t get KSM.
lusty grotto
idk it seems like skewed perspective here
if 10% of the characters doing M+ got KSM, and most of the numbers are dilluted with alt KSMs, then KSM is still something that's highly sought after
peak bramble
yeah but usually most of those 10 alts don't even touch M+ and wouldn't be included in the sample
lusty grotto
huh
mellow quartz
Like 0.1 title is not 0.1% of m+ players it’s 0.1% of characters that have done m+.
lusty grotto
id say if you got 2k rating, you should be included
mellow quartz
Many people get title on multiple alts
lusty grotto
yes im not arguing against that
im just saying to the average keys player, it means KSM is still something that's held in high regard still
mellow quartz
yeah but usually most of those 10 alts don't even touch M+ and wouldn't be inclu...
Most people do some keys on alts for gear.
My main issue with that blue post is they want to make keys harder and increase scaling to make rewards from 20s mean more but then water down the titles to be 14/18 instead of 15/20.
lusty grotto
oh im with you there
mellow quartz
Seems counter productive
mighty valley
i don't disrespect the attempt to be like "there are rewards that aren't exactly gear, your ego doesn't need to be tied to your ilvl" but players be players
peak bramble
Most people do some keys on alts for gear.
anecdotal evidence only, but personally I have a main + 2 alts that I actually care to put through keys, another 2-3 that I rat through guild raids only, and any remaining are mostly just for crafting/gathering etc. A lot of people at least in my circles are similar. not 10% but sub50 for sure. ymmv
agree with the general point though
mighty valley
everyone has to toss away their understanding of "the average wow player"
doesn't exist
everyone plays differently for different reasons
pallid quiver
to me, the average wow player is someone who is stupid enough to continue playing this game
so all of us
lusty grotto
excuse me
i at least quit in s1
i just came back cause my list of things that i wanted done was met
- crossfaction
- systems gone
- account wide shit <-- i lied this one still hasnt been done
if it wasnt for those changes i would 1-game xiv instead of being subbed to 2 mmos
pallid quiver
you've got a braincell or two on top of me, then
west prairie
is roar good
pallid quiver
Looks at bloodsurge and the bleed damage talent it leads to
........... no
it is really good, just hard to slot in with our number of talent points atm because UF is really stronk
low kindle
you can't sim Dragon roar on raidbots?
low kindle
oh that's right, dunno why raidbots still trying to execute Dragon roar in their sim lmfao
mighty valley
they're just not fully updated afaik
low kindle
it's still a talent relevant going into DF, updating it early wouldn't hurt. If say, a certain SL trinket or conduit is not working on sim, then yeah why bother updating it.
mighty valley
Stuff takes time, tuning isn’t finalized, etc
wraith hemlock
And by the time DF arrives shit will be broken again
strong forum
It's from the wowhead guidewriter for prot warri and brewmaster
ruby berry
Oh llary has a YouTube? I'll have to check it out
And nice job on the m0 the other day nom
And jakey as well, lots of good discussion from all sides.
warm plinth
Where is Mwahi 😠
urban portal
The lower health pool you have the easier you are to heal
Why does dk have less than dh
Is that dh in meta
magic bolt
Why does dk have less than dh
Why does it have less that pwarr lol
ripe mason
I'm watching pika go through a gambit with 100% banner uptime
Killing hooktail with the same banner from the start of the dungeon
What is this
ruby berry
I did an iron docks earlier with two banners total. Loved it
urban portal
Why does it have less that pwarr lol
Pwar got a bunch of junk baseline I think
ripe mason
Doesn't pala have a bunch of baseline % based stam increases
magic bolt
Pwar got a bunch of junk baseline I think
ya its just weird in principle i mean
wary heath
It's DH outside of meta, and with all baseline stam talents (if available )
across all classes, (according to vid)
ionic fern
Where is Mwahi 😠
Here, hi, sup?
modern brook
warm plinth
Here, hi, sup?
I was just wanting to say hi ily and that you're awesome
dark lark
magic bolt
:c
dry heart
More haste means faster Shield Block recharge time right
ionic fern
More haste means faster Shield Block recharge time right
Yes.
And it also reduces the CD of other important abilities like SS/TC etc.
And a multitude of haste effects.
E.g Ravager.
dry heart
Well I do have another question then regarding Shield Block
I know now it’s fairly easy to have it up 100% of the time due to the talents and what not
But back before that was possible how did you utilize having to play around these charges like you basically have very few gaps in it even without all the special talents so what was the skillful way to use SB charges
mighty valley
Like in the rest of shadowlands? Using Reprisal and maximizing charge + intervene CDs
ionic fern
Believe it or not, we did not fall flag when our SB was down.
We have:
- high armor
- RNG block/crit block from mastery
- a TON of cooldowns
- Blizzard usually adds some "additional" things to increase our base SB up-time.
We used to rotate defensive CD's like DS/SW etc.
Lets take Shadowlands for example:
-Pre Reprisal, we all took Bolster as a talent to increase our SB up-time.
-After Reprisal, we dropped Bolster and took AM instead since Reprisal covered our SB down-time.
We have been ~80% effective up-time for a while.
dry heart
Ok so it’s basically just playing around with figuring out how to keep SB up as much as possible and fill in the gaps with some sort of defensive/utility
forest fern
It “was” yes.
dry heart
Now it’s like always a thing so
Was just curious mostly
I usually played Arms/Fury but have been tanking since coming back a few weeks ago
mighty valley
Before the power was split between talents and expansion systems, now it's all in the talent system
(and maybe sometimes tier sets, we'll see)
I still don't know how they expand the talent system for a couple expansions without running into the same bloat problems as the original talents
forest fern
They may not change it each expansion now I suspect
Give you some other form of reward each level, or they’ll kill traditional levelling all together
Making the talent tree a static thing etc and redesign aspects already in it but not increase it in size
ionic fern
Gonna be a full on PoE experience after a few expansions.
dry heart
“Who Has a build”
forest fern
It’s in the pins of this channel
dry heart
mighty valley
There does need to be some exciting new character thing with each expansion
"""borrowed power""" was how they achieved that and then removed it to prevent bloat
forest fern
If they burn that energy into making the game standard more exiting to play instead of adding systems you probably don’t need that anymore
*exciting
dry heart
I do got another question about SB uptime though. Is Bolster going to be needed again once everyone’s haste is dialed back or will the other talents be enough to hit it without. Seems like Nom answered this but I forgot..
forest fern
I doubt it
You have 4 talents to achieve longer uptime, any 2 are required atm
Maybe you’d need a third at the beginning but prob not for long
Or just live for a while without it being 100
dry heart
I love shield charge always forget it adds some SB time with the other talent
Probably one of my fav prot Warrior moves atm but find myself usually taking ravager
Ravager slaps hard
mighty valley
If they burn that energy into making the game standard more exiting to play inst...
you need novelty, even if they magically "perfect" class design people want change, it can't just stay static
forest fern
Right but whether that novelty has to greatly affect player power is debatable to create interest or excitement
mighty valley
But… it has to be something new
Making new is the hard part, not increasing number
And then adding without bloating is hard
pallid quiver
the only reason i liked artifact weapons was because of infinite spell reflect
ionic fern
No, like system wise.
It enhanced what we already had.
And added new stuff to those.
pallid quiver
other than that, artifact power grind and the idea of the weapon is what made me quit during legion; i, like, just didn't like it
shoot me if you will
Well, it wasn't the sole reason, but it was a contributor
Base design wise, it's probably the best form of borrowed power we've had that's not tier sets,
but i thematically like the idea of tier sets more; they're funner to me, personally
lusty bobcat
yay or nay on the Execute talents after the change on November 1st?
ionic fern
Nay for Juggernaut, Punish is better.
lusty bobcat
right, I was just wondering if the change to have a prot-only execute had changed anything, but I can see that it was just bug fixing. So talent strength is the same
median tulip
The problem with the execute talents is that they are spread between the 3 vertical paths, which makes taking all 3 very restrictive
mortal brook
It enhanced what we already had.
you mean took half my kit, put it into a system, then removed that system and 8.0 bear was hecked?
onyx pike
Hello everyone, just wanted to ask real quick, does prot change drastically with the extra points from 60 to 70?
onyx pike
Which talent would be the go-to for m+? I was expecting wild Ravager builds when I first saw the talent tree
so at least taking these 3, they sound nice on paper
potent moth
That will depend on your playstyle and tuning and stuff so, I guess only time will show 🙂
jagged pier
the cap stones for rav are bad
onyx pike
true. I tried to play DF as blind as possible but I'm getting curious for prot builds
median tulip
Dance of Death would be ok if it wasn't bugged. Storm of Steel is awful.
strong forum
so at least taking these 3, they sound nice on paper
Neither
Both ravager talents are shit
Dance of death increases 5% of your dmg by 20%, making it 1% of a dmg increase
Storm of steel reduces the dmg of it by 40%, so down to 3%, the 50% rage gen increase on it is only 30 rage total. Instigate generates 60 over the same duration while actually gaining damage instead of losing it
onyx pike
thank god, I hate ravager
I'm hoping this shield charge thing is somewhat viable
sounds fun.
strong forum
Getting 2 ravager on the same CD turns useless as soon as you have sent both ravagers out, at that point you're just sending them at the same frequency as a normal ravager
Ravager itself is very strong, just the talents that enhance it aren't worth it
However both shield charge nodes are very strong
This is my lvl 70 m+ build if you wanna have a look
strong forum
45
keen peak
I’ve been enjoying SC a lot on Beta, even more since they removed the minimum range a while back.
onyx pike
onyx pike
I need to pull out the macro again for instant ravager
strong forum
Well yeah
onyx pike
only way i can get used to it. I just hate these circle-clicking stuff.
strong forum
@stoic erminesor
onyx pike
exactly
onyx pike
I like how we can have impending victory now.
strong forum
Was long overdue
onyx pike
really hyped for prot in DF .. always played BDK in the final SL patch and got annoyed
onyx pike
i will miss zerk rage tho
prisma shore
sonic boom no longer meta ?
ionic fern
Yes I love SC
Same, StarCraft is the best.
jagged pier
sonic boom no longer meta ?
it never was?
ionic fern
It was hyped when it came out tbf.
prisma shore
it was ?
ionic fern
It was for a very short time.
But calling something "meta" before any proper testing is..eeeh.
strong forum
It was hype until we got beta access
But it was only the best dps choice for a couple days
Until they fixed our bleeds and thunderous roar
strong forum
I guess?
onyx pike
TC + Rend is so amazing.
crimson furnace
https://youtu.be/gsdJ-c-JMtc
such a good talk, really enjoyed the vibe and ty u guys for doing it, and huge thanks to @strong forum for taking a shower before the pod, amazing job! :))
hardy snow
Bloodborne specifies that its incresing damage of wounds, rend and roar. However bloodsurge and thunderous words says it works with "bleed effectS". Do they work with zandalari troll's embrace of kimbul after all fix done to these talents?
ionic fern
stuck lava
hey guys, i need to replace our tank today, what is the current highest dps single target legendary?
strong forum
Reprisal/wall as they allow you to pick different/more dps oriented talents in the prot tree
strong forum
https://youtu.be/gsdJ-c-JMtc
such a good talk, really enjoyed the vibe and ty u ...
Can't tell if sarcastic or not 
But thanks
jagged pier
hey guys, i need to replace our tank today, what is the current highest dps sing...
the wall or rep
or siesmic
if there are motes
crimson furnace
Can't tell if sarcastic or not <:detective:912341312907378689>
ment it with the best intentions, it was really nice!
crimson furnace
But thanks
hope to see more of you and @jagged pier
good voice
decent face
good for podcasts
edgy kindle
Random question guys, do you think we'll keep going Haste Versa in DF? We got some nice crit interactions now
worldly fable
jade pulsar
Just had a listen, good job guys 👍
sick sentinel
@candid path i love the videos you do on wow, im gunna subscribe to you
candid path
thanks dawg
sick sentinel
nice and relaxed and not freak out, easy to follow
candid path
🙂
sick sentinel
i was watching one about 40% dmg and hp buff this morning gotta continue
candid path
the good news is that Warrior comes out of it in really solid shape
surely nothing bad can happen now!
sweet summit
strong forum
jagged pier
brittle owl
oblique garnet
brittle owl
no u
late rampart
onyx pike
i was watching one about 40% dmg and hp buff this morning gotta continue
didnt quite catch that change. so 40% more dmg and hp for m+0, scaling with level?
sick sentinel
on the beta, they gave tanks +40%hp and the monsters do +40% dmg -40% overall healing from healers
i think thats the summary of the llarold video i was just watching
so, you wont be able to go into a boss fight take 80% of your hp, and then instantly be full healed 1-3 seconds later by healer
mellow quartz
He just kinda missed the whole ‘relative’ argument in this in his video by saying that things like wotn on bdk has been buffed just because then number it mitigates is larger. It’s exactly the same relative to itself as it was before.
strong forum
They gave everybody 40% more stam
Not just tanks
And made mobs do 40% more dmg, but they didn't buff healers because healers just do too much healing
uneven mason
Healing values have been ridiculous combined with how durable tanks are we were looking at just not needing heals in base content
*primary heals
So started working on the little ratman BDK last night, can honestly say that I thought warriors were immortal at low level, but bdk just can't die
Around 30ish I was just pulling boss to boss, and unless I get cc'd just full heals
mellow quartz
Bdk has never been able to die until things start to hit you for more than your rune economy / gcds can manage besides miss plays.
uneven mason
Yeah it's harder than war but that might just be muscle memory straining since bdk won't fill every gcd
mellow quartz
And getting globalled
lyric elm
It's annoying to heal a bdk because it kinda doesn't matter if you heal them or not, it's entirely in their hands if they live or not, so you can't carry a bad bdk
mellow quartz
Which is why people like to play them.
mellow quartz
Not being reliant on shit healers 🙂
uneven mason
Well idk, when I was healing I'd just watch how they were spending RP
If they had no RP I knew it was time to pump
lyric elm
Yup
bold furnace
Bdk is fun but sometimes I'd just get zerod and not know why lol
Likely bad play on my part
agile elbow
Just super reactive, basically.
jade pulsar
Yeah I personally don't play in the way bdk requires u to do. Cba being on edge like that all the time x)
uneven mason
NGL I got shit from a DPS for taking a talent that lets me get bone shield at 30 ft
Yeah I normally can't deal with them
In m+ because I main war
So seeing hp drop scares me and I panic slap DS too early
Because it's on my sb key
Obviously if my HP go down I didn't refresh shield block
lavish oracle
Part of why I never really liked DK, I like talking to my healer
I guess in pugs you kinda don't talk to them anyways
sturdy sable
I always enjoyed dk. Its like the other half of the coin
lavish oracle
Yeah, the differences in the ways tanks mitigate damage is neat
Blizzard has done a really good job at making them all have their own distinct style
uneven mason
They mitigated damage by running away
onyx pike
So BDK and ProtW top of the pack right now? I'm having such a hard time to decide on what I wanna play, never been that hard.
I also hear a lot about VDH, but I dont like all the kiting.
uneven mason
Just play BDK literally never gets nerfed
onyx pike
I mean I do kite, but on VDH its extreme.
uneven mason
I also hear a lot about VDH, but I dont like all the kiting.
The kiting is a joke, they're rather tanky atm
onyx pike
I could tell from the talents, lot of leeching and healing
good changes.
I will play 3 chars at max, and one is evoker just for the sake of trying it out as an alt.
Might still main warrior tho, looks so fun.
bold furnace
I plan on making warrior and maybe alt MW..
onyx pike
yes please, 2h spear+shield
bold furnace
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onyx pike
just cancel Brewmaster lol
bold furnace
Anyone run one of these?
uneven mason
Literally the most idiotic thing was the fact they kept adding melee tank
bold furnace
just cancel Brewmaster lol
Whoa I love brew. They're just a bit too yoyo on health for my liking
urban bane
ooc is the beta spell reflect sheet still floating around?
uneven mason
It's like they had the idea that people didn't play tanks or melee because there wasn't enough variety in them
When it was because crap raid designs punished melee way more
mellow quartz
ooc is the beta spell reflect sheet still floating around?
@strong forum @shut summit mind pinning the DF spell reflect sheet to this channel also, similar to how it was in the old DF channel.
urban bane
ty
lavish oracle
I still think survival should be a tank spec
Its in the name!
They could like split damage between themselves and their pet or something
ionic fern
Shadowlands Blockable/Reflectable Spells Sheet by Sense - https://tinyurl.com/ReflectGuide
Dragonflight Blockable/Reflectable Spells Sheet by Sense - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vS26lkSc_eaulHX7-UY8Uu-7DAHvkScxh3npd0kQn3uvvWsgsQm9ducLUi4R2mb7ieNluVilyq5sQe5/pubhtml#
urban bane
Shadowlands Blockable/Reflectable Spells Sheet by Sense - https://tinyurl.com/Re...
is the DF one lost to the old channel :o
ionic fern
<@192743144276623360> <@105027920459776000> mind pinning the DF spell reflect sh...
Idk, maybe?
I thought he updated the same one tbh
steep condor
just tanked as kyrian in dungeon - is it a lot more dps than necro in packs? Felt lovely!
mellow quartz
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That’s the SL one 🙂
modern brook
modern brook
just tanked as kyrian in dungeon - is it a lot more dps than necro in packs? Fel...
necro isnt a spec
wild hemlock
acoustic stone
ionic fern
That’s the SL one 🙂
Is fine, you're in SL.