Is dance of death working? I feel like I'm not getting the buff after the motes die.
#protection
low kindle
strong forum
Last time I tested, it worked
I don't think motes count as dying
They just despawn
But they don't grant killing blows
mortal brook
works for nadija
exotic matrix
do you guys know, where do you get this trink from in Beta https://www.wowhead.com/item=194302/storm-eaters-boon?bonus=7935#news ?
mortal brook
the trinket gear vendor in major city
exotic matrix
cheers
heavy glen
drops bags Henlo. Am here with my ticket to ride the protection warrior hype train. Will there be snacks? :3
south zealot
dusty jetty
question: immovable object talent node "shield wall at reduced effectiveness" = ?
mighty valley
20% i think?
dusty jetty
and does that trigger Unbreakable Will (50% shield wall to party)
mighty valley
well, UW is removed in beta, so don't get used to that part
dusty jetty
D:
indigo silo
what covenant should I go if I want mythic + to be my focus?
new to prot warrior here
limpid anchor
Necro
indigo silo
thanks
dry heart
I haven’t raided as a tank before but I got to wondering now that stances don’t have an effect on aggro how do tanks stop from ripping aggro off each other..do you just watch a threat meter now or how does it work.
limpid anchor
If you get aggro from other tank yell that they should play better
ionic fern
^
I had a co-tank once who couldn't play the class and i was told to "tune down and play worse so you don't get aggro" instead of him being told "Get better".
Left that guild real fast.
tame jasper
I had a co-tank once who couldn't play the class and i was told to "tune down an...
reminds myself about Vael in BWL back in vanilla ^^
Where the current "tank" lost its tank spot due continuous aggro issues
urban portal
I haven’t raided as a tank before but I got to wondering now that stances don’t ...
Taunt pulls a lot of aggro basically
I’m not sure exactly how taunt works
But I’ve heard that you just completely steal the next highest aggro
So threat ripping should only happen on pull where aggro is low
Or it could be that taunt pauses aggro gain from others
dry heart
Ah so the main tank would taunt on pull and basically never lose aggro unless they OT taunts or they are completely playing like ass?
urban portal
Essentially yes
Outside of completely horrible play
Ripping doesn’t happen
You can do like 30% more damage and not too
Rip
Threat meter don’t exist anymore
tame jasper
I’m not sure exactly how taunt works
Afaik: You gain 100% aggro of the current aggro leader and mob is forced to attack you for some time.
tame jasper
Yeah so you do essentially steal aggro
you dont steal, you just get aggro
tame jasper
when you dont build more aggro, but the other does and gets over 110% (or 130% ? ranged) again, you loose it again
limpid anchor
But those are 2 completely different things
urban portal
130 for melees
Wait no
110 for melees
130 for ranged
To prevent ranged juggling
dry heart
The only time I’ve been losing aggro is if a dps usually a melee really out gears me and blows their load immediately on the boss. Haven’t tried any tanking in a raid setting tho so thanks for the info
ionic fern
But I’ve heard that you just completely steal the next highest aggro
Jep.
Taunt:
-Forces the target to attack you for 3 seconds
-Causes you to generate increased threat for 3 seconds
-It grants the player who taunted it an amount of threat equal to that of the player who had aggro on the mob at the time of the taunt.
limpid citrus
Taunt puts a «debuff» on the target thats forcing it to attack you for a few seconds.
During this time there threat multiplier built in so if you do something you generate a lot
dry heart
So it’s probably best to taunt on pull right if you’ve got some big dps in the group?
ionic fern
As a raid tank who is meant to tank first, yes, you taunt on pull regardless of your DPS players.
It's one of the "un-written rules".
dry heart
Gotcha thanks
heavy glen
oof. Had to step away from guardian discord for a minute. It's a mess of people trying to figure out talent trees
errant oriole
lol yes glad i chose prot war but dang bliz gave bears what they wanted... a rework lmao
heavy glen
I'm new to the hypetrain
without going into the weeds too much, does anyone have a build I should try?
dry heart
Plenty of builds in the pinned section
heavy glen
oh yea... I even looked at it before.....
guess I'll be doing the no leggo build seeing as I have like... 3 weeks left
dry heart
Yeah I been running basically that one as well without the leggos
civic holly
When did party wall get removed?
heavy glen
new here, sorry
noob question, is the basic rotation very simply building rage to spend on defensives?
karmic plinth
When did party wall get removed?
removed with this reset
civic holly
Ty
karmic plinth
noob question, is the basic rotation very simply building rage to spend on defen...
you dont exclusively want to spend your rage on defensives, you want to make sure you have shield block up but after that you want to make sure you're using revenge and ignore pain rather than just dumping ignore pain - you want to spend rage to get healing by indomitable and to reduce the cooldown of shield wall + avatar, revenge helps with this as it can reset shield slam cd thus giving you more rage to spend
civic holly
What was party wall talent name?
karmic plinth
unbreakable will
civic holly
I cant find any notes on it
I see its definitely gone
But i cant find the blue post
Found it ty
Jeez i guess thats a massive nerf for high keys
That one talent was so strong
sullen patio
I played only fury up until now and trying to learn prot now. With fury it was a dps loss, when u overcapped rage. Is this also the case with prot?
Following scenario: i have shield block and a decent enough amount of IP up, i am close to 100/100 rage but i have a proc on shield slam and/or TC. Do i press revenge/execute to dump rage or do i press SS (ST or Prio dmg) or TC (AoE)?
blazing condor
IP is off the GCD so its always easy to dump rage through it
even if you wanna press Shield Slam you can just press them in the same gcd
sullen patio
Ah that's smart, i didn't consider that IP is off the GCD. Thanks!
heavy glen
@sullen patio through learning of my own and the help of others in this discord, I have learned that Indomitable and another passive are worth dumping rage into. Jakey is right, you never want to overcaps because you have 2 passives that are available to you.
One Reduces CD of IP and Avatar and another heals your for 1% HP for every 10 Rage you spend
blazing condor
Anger Management is the other one you're thinking of
heavy glen
thank you
blazing condor
and yeah you wanna feed into that one by spending as much rage as possible = you wanna generate as much rage as possible
heavy glen
while also not dying.....
blazing condor
obviously while still keeping shield block and relevant abilities up
heavy glen
the no leggo build is massively simple.
I mostly don't want to get a leggo because I'll be done with it in 3 weeks...
blazing condor
its only their effects that will be disabled right? you'd still have them as stat sticks
heavy glen
stat sticks that cost time/gold that will likely get replaced in like.... 5 weeks?
blazing condor
yes 
heavy glen
so yea
stat sticks
but stat sticks with an expiry
I am new boy from bear town.
I walked here clutching my ticket to ride the hype train.
I understand the grass is greener here.
blazing condor
livid osprey
anyone else having the same issue when trying to sim?
jagged pier
well dragon roar isnt a talent anymore
try changing it to thunderous roar
but we also
dont have sims
so kinda pointless trying to sim tbh
spice axle
anyone knows if violet outburst is currently bugged in prepatch
strong forum
anyone else having the same issue when trying to sim?
-------Why can't I sim?-------
Sims are broken for the foreseeable future as most of the new prot spells haven't been implemented into simc yet
hushed spade
@livid osprey Someone told me Simcraft is already on Dragonflight thats the point why we cant sim in Shadowlands.
@strong forum Are we still running Vers/Haste?
strong forum
Ilvl > haste >= vers = crit > mastery
devout pewter
do you think it's better for me to make the change? I lose a lot of leeches to get main stats, haste, and versatility
muted dome
How are the last changes on beta for protection at the moment ?
strong forum
do you think it's better for me to make the change? I lose a lot of leeches to g...
Generally the ilvl upgrade is better
But the diff between those 2 is pretty much 0
strong forum
How are the last changes on beta for protection at the moment ?
I'm not sure we did get any changes in a while
devout pewter
But the diff between those 2 is pretty much 0
so is one worth the other?
median tulip
Isn't there a talent placement change?
strong forum
so is one worth the other?
Generally the 304s are better offensively and defensively
The leech ones are sexier if you can get alot of it
torn ginkgo
Goooood Morning
How impactful is ilvl on a shield? never really played a bunch of shield wearers
have a 32ilvl upgrade on shield OR 78ilvl upgrade on boots... Boots give way more stat upgrade obv so just checking how important block/armour from shield is
median tulip
How impactful is ilvl on a shield? never really played a bunch of shield wearers
Hugely. Always take the shield upgrade
strong forum
Shield is the most important item to get big ilvl on
median tulip
You can't get Block Value from anywhere else
So a big portion of your defensive effectiveness is in your Shield
torn ginkgo
surprised Unbreakable will is still live in pre patch. thought it wouldve been part of the change
bitter nest
good morning, anyone can navigate me how to get to thunder totem to start higmountain class quests please? From ogri. Thanks
lyric elm
You already posted that in general
bitter nest
You already posted that in general
yeah, then realized that last msg there is 10 hours old, so tried here
i can delete it, if its a problem tho
strong forum
The latest episode of MO Cast about Prot Warri has released where @jagged pier and I ramble for 1.5hrs about DF Prot Warrior! Feel free to check it out!
oblique garnet
good morning, anyone can navigate me how to get to thunder totem to start higmou...
Dala hs
If you dont have it i guess theres some portals from orgrimmar maybe
bitter nest
so i can talk to chromie and choose legion timezone, right?
that should send me to the area, or am I wrong?
oblique garnet
Uhh probably?
Its been so long since ive done anything in legion dalaran i dont remember how you got there in the first place
wintry nymph
in the orgrimmar portal room there is definetly a portal to a legion area somewhere
then you should be able to just fly there
There should be a portal to Azsuna (Broken Isles)
bitter nest
There should be a portal to Azsuna (Broken Isles)
oh yeah, i see that one. Thank you both for help
wintry nymph
no problem
bitter nest
no problem
hmm. so i have a problem, tried with high lvl char and lvl 35 now. both chose the legion timezone, got to dalaran and flight to thunder totem. but i dont have any quests there
ok, found it. the zone starts in trueshot lodge
wintry nymph
pretty sure that you don't have to activate the legion timeline for those quests to unlock the extra races
tough fulcrum
hi, quick question. Is fusion hacker (weapon) good for prot warr`?
median tulip
hi, quick question. Is fusion hacker (weapon) good for prot warr`?
It's kinda "ish". Decent on single target but I'd rather have the secondaries on multi-target
placid oar
The latest episode of MO Cast about Prot Warri has released where <@179993058186...
Thanks for sharing Nomeratur!! This will definitely help casual players like myself
icy citrus
The latest episode of MO Cast about Prot Warri has released where <@179993058186...
Nice work there from both of you! 👏 @strong forum & @jagged pier
jagged pier
❤️
minor helm
strong forum
raven hatch
just missed a 31 gd timer by 39 seconds 😦 the pack behind the hulk pack got ninja pulled, I lived but the dps did not 😦
uneven mason
Waaawaaawaaaaaaammm
subtle rampart
did they remove the party wide shield wall or whatever it was
mellow quartz
just missed a 31 gd timer by 39 seconds 😦 the pack behind the hulk pack got nin...
Gotta pull the pack back a bit or the last pack pulls so often.
chrome falcon
did they remove the party wide shield wall or whatever it was
on beta yes
raven hatch
i did pull it back 😛
yeah party shield wall is carrying my pugs so much in prepatch atm
not going to use a defensive? i'll use one for ya boys
median tulip
Don't get used to it xD
ionic fern
Jeah, let them die.
raven hatch
too late for that 😛
ionic fern
Damn, maybe i've become too casual.
ionic fern
I remember the Mwahi who was min-maxing raids and pushing keys.
It all seems so faaaaar away noooooooooooooooow.
The party wide damage is actually worse in DF.
So...
raven hatch
no wonder they removed it tbh
and avatar giving two stacks in prepatch still
so omega shield wall for 4 seconds and then 25% dr for 4 seconds after
I time avatar with the slam overlaps on first boss and everyone lives np
ionic fern
Jeah, i'm already forced to carry at least 1 DPS player in the damage department as a tank..and in the utility department..i don't want to carry them in survivability department as well.
raven hatch
i've really enjoyed it, I mean its busted which is probably why I enjoy it
but saving my team in tyrann was just insane, like 35% party wall uptime per key
ionic fern
Just play 5 tanks.
It's been the secret OP comp since forever.
raven hatch
^^
uneven mason
not going to use a defensive? i'll use one for ya boys
The shit toward mechanic mistakes that kill DPS and not tanks is a good shift since literally in bfa and sl a DPS not kicking a spell generally killed the tank. Now the DPS die and their punishment is sucking dirt while we solo that tyrannical boss
For 7 minutes
And when they scream "just die so we can res" we get the opportunity to present the lesson of "maybe Mr wheelchair paladin should've picked up rebuke"
Seriously the fact some classes can just not take their interrupt is what keeps me up at night
median tulip
I suspect that M+ comps with 4 DPS and a tank will become more common
jagged pier
5 tanks baby
slim zinc
If anything it becomes significantly weaker
dps can't live for shit in DF dungeons
It's either normal comp or 5 tanks
strong forum
There are so many magic dispels and butt loads of unavoidable aoe dmg
slim zinc
Dwarf time 😎
strong forum
Healers will be the most demanding role in DF as it stands rn
slim zinc
Good healers will carry whole groups
uneven mason
At least right now tanks have the tools so that the heals can focus on healing stupid
And when there is no stupid to heal, they can dps
The perfect combination that made legion mythic plus so much fun
wooden radish
@ionic fern why weren't you on the mocast. 😭
sweet summit
(he is noob)
sweet summit
ionic fern
But actually, i was at work so couldn't make it. 😦
wooden radish
😦 you can come on the next prot pal mocast
ionic fern
Yes please.
wooden radish
rest in peace mwahipal
ionic fern
Sdimo will make a return.
Oh, did you know..i'm going to be tanking with Capable again.
crimson furnace
The latest episode of MO Cast about Prot Warri has released where <@179993058186...
big brain @jagged pier - i knew the pod gonna be lit as soon as he started with that statement :))))
.!. @jagged pier
ionic fern
https://tenor.com/view/excited-listening-go-on-jon-stewart-gif-7666771
Old guild is re-forming for DF. I was baited by my friend who i used to tank with to go and tank with them.
crimson furnace
nice!!
ionic fern
After i agreed they told me who my co-tank is actually going to be.
wooden radish
you got fucking jebaited
ionic fern
100% jebaited.
wooden radish
is he playing paladin
ionic fern
Yes.
wooden radish
please say yes
lmao
i hope he's active in discord
need a good laugh once and a while
wooden radish
galaxy brain paladin coming through
@capable
since you'll be tanking with such a capable prot pal next tier, def. want you on the 10.1 prot pal mocast when they redesign paladin talents 
ionic fern
I will definitely give you all the feedback i hear from him.
I know he is really keen on healing parses so probably a lot of improvement ideas in that department.
ionic fern
when was the last time you tanked with him
I wanna say..Legion.
ionic fern
btw nerf pwar
No, we are underpowered.
I think they should also prioritise fixing our bugs over prot paladin bugs.
wooden radish
does prot warrior even have any bugs
ionic fern
At least 3.
wooden radish
i still have talents that still don't work
ionic fern
I mean...you got talents that don't work..
I'm missing 1 Ravager tick..
I think the Ravager tick is more important.
10 rage afterall.
leaden beacon
Is there an weakaura to show every reflectable spell in the game?
ionic fern
Is there an weakaura to show every reflectable spell in the game?
There's a sheet and a WA in #268491842637660160
I'm not sure how up to date the WA is.
leaden beacon
aah ok! thank you
median tulip
Thunderclap eating OB/SR at 7 stacks is one bug, and Brutal Vitality stopping is another
wooden radish
I think the Ravager tick is more important.
😡
ionic fern
We're just bribing the developers better than you guys are.
ruby berry
^^
ionic fern
wooden radish
wooden radish
We're just bribing the developers better than you guys are.
nah your dev didn't get assigned side projects
median tulip
I've also heard that there's a heisenbug where Second Wind will heal you even if you don't have it talented, and doesn't stop due to damage, but nobody knows how to replicate it reliably
glacial sky
Prot pally looks like it WAS the side project tbh
ionic fern
Prot pally looks like it WAS the side project tbh
This.
ruby berry
If prot pal is the side project, wtf is bear
wooden radish
Prot pally looks like it WAS the side project tbh
prot pal, guardian and brewmaster
ionic fern
It's fine..they will fix you next expansion.
ruby berry
F that I got three warriors I'm gonna thunderclap some shit
ionic fern
OR..you know..warriors can also self heal and block spells now.
ruby berry
The devs cannot defeat me!
wooden radish
we need a prot warrior level overcorrection
uneven mason
btw nerf pwar
They removed our mass grip, what more do you want
bold furnace
Bears must be the red headed step child then lol
ruby berry
gottem indeed
wooden radish
nerf your armor, nerf your shield block uptime, nerf your self healing, nerf your armor
uneven mason
Bears must be the red headed step child then lol
It's more like they showed up late to the party and all the edibles was gone, so no fun times
ruby berry
Always bring your own treats to the party
uneven mason
nerf your armor, nerf your shield block uptime, nerf your self healing, nerf you...
So we can get another overcorrection in 10.1 instead of bears and paladins
bold furnace
It's more like they showed up late to the party and all the edibles was gone, so...
That first tier set iteration they released I was like yup they don't even play the class 😂
uneven mason
Literally no one in dream Grove was pounding in blizzards door
ionic fern
nerf your armor, nerf your shield block uptime, nerf your self healing, nerf you...
How about...buff your armor, buff your SOTR, buff your self healing, buff your armor.
ruby berry
Tru
wooden radish
How about...buff your armor, buff your SOTR, buff your self healing, buff your a...
paladin doesnt need buffs. they need bug fixes
craggy pilot
is warrior still the only fun tank?
uneven mason
Meanwhile warriors were up in the forums first iteration with constructive feedback
wooden radish
is warrior still the only fun tank?
yes
bold furnace
Monk is fun
ionic fern
paladin doesnt need buffs. they need bug fixes
Don't you know?
Increasing the numbers is the only fix, regardless of the base issue.
median tulip
It's more like they showed up late to the party and all the edibles was gone, so...
the funny thing is their tree was the first one revealed
ionic fern
Meanwhile warriors were up in the forums first iteration with constructive feedb...
I'm pretty sure paladin also provided a ton of feedback.
They even have a fully compiled/proven list of bugs.
craggy pilot
DK is minigame
druid is 1 button
paladin have no real dmg ability
monk relies on stagger
dh is just dh 😄
uneven mason
Was it constructive
craggy pilot
while warrior is just omega fun
uneven mason
Or was it " this feels bad"
ionic fern
They have 2k+ replies.
Warrior has 450 something.
Knowing Paladin colored names in Discords i have no doubt their feedback was justified.
wooden radish
its also crying Ret paladins
uneven mason
Sounds like a lot of weeds
uneven mason
its also crying Ret paladins
I'd stop reading if I was a dev as soon as I saw a ret comment
ionic fern
Idk if they fixed any of their issues on the go tho.
They fixed all the issues i reported on the Warrior thread pretty much in the next few weeks.
Until i couldn't post feedback anymore because "You are using a new account and can only post 3 times in this thread".
crimson furnace
Until i couldn't post feedback anymore because "You are using a new account and ...
DENIED!
ionic fern
Jeah, 100% my bad for not being on NA server.
craggy pilot
hmm, belt has speed
ring has socket
i have 278 belt, and 262 ring w. socket
probably the belt right?
drifting fable
uneven mason
They fixed all the issues i reported on the Warrior thread pretty much in the ne...
I just read through a few pages of that paladin feedback
Lots of "please give us this op trait instead of this other thing"
Very little constructive feedback
uneven mason
Until you get to archimtiros or you or nom
Yeah do the paladins have a nom or mwahi
ionic fern
@strong forum did you also get blocked after 3 posts? 😒
limpid anchor
Half of the warrior feedback is from archi, kinda funny
uneven mason
Someone Bliz could focus their feedback from, or is it miles of chopping through retadin whishlists about having 4 defensive CDs
minor helm
Half of the warrior feedback is from archi, kinda funny
He knows what we want better than us
uneven mason
Archi did a great job of pointing out logic flaws in our class tree
But the biggest Thing warriors have is our 3 specs don't fucking hate each other
minor helm
Yeah Archi did a great job in unspaghetti’ing the trees
uneven mason
Meanwhile pal and druids fight with each other
limpid anchor
Fuck furry tho
uneven mason
Fuck furry tho
I'm not into that but you do you
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> did you also get blocked after 3 posts? 😒
I'm a vivid abuser of F6
uneven mason
I guess warriors were so used to just being shit on at xpac launch that we're less needy
inland raft
My furry warrior is making a comeback in df, what have against the furries?
sick sentinel
still here.... leveling...
onyx vessel
@strong forum looking sexy 
uneven mason
still here.... leveling...
How are you still leveling
sick sentinel
3 more 50's forheritige
not gunna have another time soon of 50%xp and lowered level requirements
uneven mason
Oh yeah haha that's also my project for prepatch
But I got pulled back to the main war for a few days
sick sentinel
my main concern is running out of gold to buy bags and mounts for these guys ATM
onyx vessel
uneven mason
my main concern is running out of gold to buy bags and mounts for these guys ATM
Mounts??
sick sentinel
5.5k or so gold to train fast flying
uneven mason
Ohbshit I only do that for characters I'll play
uneven mason
Like all of my heritage toons are on a diff server from my main
They hit 50 and getbshelved
sick sentinel
i don't know why i was compelled to do so, but i did holy priest with no addons
uneven mason
Healing without Cliq
ocean bloom
how fast is it to 50?
ocean bloom
i made the mistake of boosting almost every class to 60 lol
uneven mason
Oh I have almost every thing at max already
But I enjoy leveling warriors, and was convinced to try the other tanks as well
WOD might be the last time I leveled up paladin andbdk
Like paladins feel fine to me while dungeon leveling but idk how that's going to translate into m+ or raid.
Certainly more thought going into it than slap AS when it procs since it's not a hp generator anymore
inland raft
Ya not a fan of removing as as a generator
sick sentinel
well, it takes me longer than 6 hours because i don't meta power game lvl XY
uneven mason
I think it works
sick sentinel
but not much longer it takes me about 20 hours per toon 1/10 to 60
inland raft
But maybe for best i was almost tempted to main swap to pally foe df
gleaming mica
but not much longer it takes me about 20 hours per toon 1/10 to 60
You dungeon running to 60?
inland raft
But palli changes didnt look enticing to me so sticking to war
sick sentinel
that accounts for AFK of any kind, thinking about shit, waiting on qeue
uneven mason
There is other talents that allow for increased hp gen to counterbalance
glacial sky
20 hours to 1-60 is REALLY slow
sick sentinel
could be worse, i think thats reasonable
glacial sky
I average closer to 7-8 and I’m not good at it
sick sentinel
first chunk of levels one day, second chunk the next
craggy pilot
do we get both Shield Charge and Ravager in DF?
sick sentinel
im in no big rush lol
craggy pilot
or only if we dont pick Battle-Scarred Veteran?
sick sentinel
i'll tell u in a second
dwarf warrior i kinda meta powered
20 hrs 39 minutes
dark iron paladin who i DID power meta game, 12 hours to lvl 50
priest we about to see.... 18 hrs to 50
ruby berry
lul DID gj
median tulip
or only if we dont pick Battle-Scarred Veteran?
BSV is kinda niche. Not because it's bad, but because the rest of our survivability kit is so good. For the vast majority of content you shouldn't need BSV, and it's better to go for other talents instead. It's only going to be of real use on the absolute bleeding-edge content.
craggy pilot
BSV is kinda niche. Not because it's bad, but because the rest of our survivabil...
ye so we get all of the on use talents 😄
median tulip
I would
craggy pilot
i feel like its 1 more on use ability than we had in DF, mainly because we have Storm Bolt and Shockwave at the same time
sick sentinel
i need to figure out how to rip the "all the things" collection sound effects and export them to my phone/tablet so i can use those noises as notifications
median tulip
i feel like its 1 more on use ability than we had in DF, mainly because we have ...
I'm leaning more towards Thunderous Roar than Shockwave myself
craggy pilot
I'm leaning more towards Thunderous Roar than Shockwave myself
i believe you can get both no?
limpid anchor
Yes
median tulip
i believe you can get both no?
Yes, but if you want to take the talent points beyond Avatar and TR then it gets difficult
uneven mason
Bsv doesn't bracket either according to beta, right
craggy pilot
Yes, but if you want to take the talent points beyond Avatar and TR then it gets...
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAVRUUUkQRERpFRRBENVUVFVERFRZVUQCUA
not rly
median tulip
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAVRUUUkQRERpFRRBENVUVF...
I mean, you don't have uproar
uneven mason
Like wotn reduces damage by it's % when entering that range but bsv requires you to be in the range to mitigate, so going from 36% to 26% that hit isn't reduced by bsv
sick sentinel
no in terms of 4 hour speeed runs to get 1-60... yeah im aware of it... rested xp.... mario flag pole glitch, etc etc yeah yeah i know all about that lol
craggy pilot
I mean, you don't have uproar
ah so you wanna take Uproar over Shockwave?
sick sentinel
just, i see no need to hurry up
median tulip
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAVRUUUkQRERpFRRBENVUVF...
Also I have to query your decision to take UF and BV without taking TL
uneven mason
Wat
craggy pilot
Also I have to query your decision to take UF and BV without taking TL
i just took one of the builds from pin, and filled out the rest for 70 😄 didnt rly look at anything above the bottom 🤣
but this was how i thought it would look at 70, with TR+Avatar+Shockwave and Shield Charge + Ravager
median tulip
i just took one of the builds from pin, and filled out the rest for 70 😄 didnt ...
Unstoppable Force + Booming Voice + Thunderlord is pretty much A Build. Take all 3 together because the synergy is intense
craggy pilot
Unstoppable Force + Booming Voice + Thunderlord is pretty much A Build. Take all...
i know dont worry lol
did you read what i just wrote? i only focused on the bottom row, and took random shit above it
TR can get the button from Banner, Shield Charge can get the button from Intervene, and then i have no clue what to do with having Storm Bolt now 🤔
median tulip
I mean, if you're running UF there's an argument for taking Shockwave/Rumbling Earth/Sonic Boom to really leverage UFs synergies
craggy pilot
using Shockwave as a dmg ability is kinda weird tho ngl
sick sentinel
a meme character i might persue as possible race/name change
craggy pilot
any advice ?
for what?
median tulip
any advice ?
What problem do you have?
finite notch
low dps / i cant manage my dps and i think its for talent
cobalt seal
low dps / i cant manage my dps and i think its for talent
Doubt
craggy pilot
low dps / i cant manage my dps and i think its for talent
so show your talents
cobalt seal
Unless the tree is a mess
craggy pilot
or show your dps
cobalt seal
Its likely a skill issue
median tulip
It's almost certainly your player skill, not your talents, TWIW
uneven mason
Womp
uneven mason
He did he opened the jpg in notepad and pasted the text
finite notch
check this
uneven mason
Literally
craggy pilot
this is protection 🛡️
jagged pier
well thats a fury tree not a prot tree
sick sentinel
ohh okay
cobalt seal
No wonder you cant do dps
uneven mason
So, your problem is you're using a shield as fury
finite notch
shit
uneven mason
Toxicbear is toxic
finite notch
sry guys
craggy pilot
check this
this talent looks like a weird mix of AOE and ST anyway
median tulip
lol
craggy pilot
should maybe look here:
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/fury/dragonflight-pre-patch
ocean reef
As a Fury player I don't even know what I'm looking at
craggy pilot
Titans Torment without Odyns Fury 😄
minor helm
sharp bone
this trinket is a joke right?
sweet summit
poopoo
ocean reef
91 armour!!
sharp bone
uneven mason
What the
uneven mason
Like who the hell is making these trinkets. Is there no one at Blizzard who can budget tank trinkets properly
onyx vessel
raw parcel
I see most guides recommend Brutal Vitality over Fueled By Violence. Is Fueled by Violence not viable? I thought it looked pretty good.
uneven mason
Viable, that word again
raw parcel
Am I outright doing it wrong if I take Fueled by Violence, is what I mean.
uneven mason
Like it's not going to break you
chilly brook
Like who the hell is making these trinkets. Is there no one at Blizzard who can ...
In fairness tank trinkets are kinda a meme in general in modern WoW outside of very challenging content
ruby berry
🙃
uneven mason
Am I outright doing it wrong if I take Fueled by Violence, is what I mean.
You're not going to notice the healing on fbv, but bv provides a substantial boost to IP, if it gets fixed
severe hatch
Right this very second FBV is not bugged while BV is, so that's a consideration for right now
TBH I think I still feel tankier with BV even with the bug
uneven mason
But seriously neither talent is going to make or break a build
severe hatch
Yep low stakes choice
uneven mason
Oh for sure, if we were kite meta the healing on fbv would be noticable because we'd just apply and kite
sick sentinel
Do these talents look ok?
uneven mason
LoL titanic throw kite time
sick sentinel
i like this one better
uneven mason
I'm going to cosplay as a vdh next dungeon and just leap around throwing axes
uneven mason
Womp
sick sentinel
un selected the talented,never again
dangerous in mythic+ is what i will pre-warn about in keys
i have a feeling it will destroy somebodies key
sick sentinel
it just always does 3, so if 3 things are in range it targets 3 things
sick sentinel
i think it does some arc some degrees cone from the target you are on, not too sure tbh
uneven mason
Sounds like the best pulling tool ever
lavish oracle
Does overcapped IP get counted as overhealing?
sick sentinel
will be good for raid fight with "improved throw" i am imagining
chilly brook
But I honestly liked the dungeon a lot outside of just having bad pugs
lavish oracle
Waycrest was sick as prot, so much good reflect value
sick sentinel
like a many whelps scenarior tons of little adds from afar come to kill the group
rocky surge
That zone in particular had everything right.
lavish oracle
I wish the doors weren't random but that was basically fixed by S3 affix
chilly brook
I wish the doors weren't random but that was basically fixed by S3 affix
I remember when people would be like “why the fuck are you running all the way to that boss with the obelisk”
We’d wipe on the boss
And I’d be like “that’s why”
lavish oracle
Lol, yeah, it was like a 1 minute time investment but it ended up saving that much time anyways on most runs
It was also hilarious because even into like the low to mid 20s, you'd get people who couldn't find their way around that dungeon for shit if they had to run back
onyx vessel
@ionic fern why didnt you go to the podcast 
ionic fern
wild hemlock
LOL
uneven mason
Does overcapped IP get counted as overhealing?
It doesn't get counted at all since absorbs only register when they're spent
onyx vessel
@sweet summit 
sweet summit
onyx vessel
lavish oracle
It doesn't get counted at all since absorbs only register when they're spent
Okay, thats what I figured but I wasn't 100%. Was curious how the overhealing of FBV vs BV over a key would compare
onyx vessel
<:okayge:917646812519739433>
sweet summit
onyx vessel
uneven mason
Okay, thats what I figured but I wasn't 100%. Was curious how the overhealing of...
At the moment bv stops working when ip caps and you have to let it totally fall off before it works again I believe
mellow quartz
Yes
lavish oracle
Unfortunate, hopefully thats fixed before launch
mellow quartz
However you have to take damage in the first place for FBV to heal you.
So it’s like 🤷♂️
uneven mason
Yeah
digital delta
Does Show of Force stack with the talent?
uneven mason
Conduits and talents don't work together afaik
bitter nest
probably a noob question, but is there something for navigating thru dungeons? I did not remember majority of dungeons and getting lost as a tank brings some bad bad mood sometimes 🙂
exotic matrix
u can have one or the other. not both
subtle shell
probably a noob question, but is there something for navigating thru dungeons? I...
I like to watch youtube videos to get good idea of route
other wise its just trial and error...can try running them as dps / healer and hope other tank knows where he's going lol
uneven mason
probably a noob question, but is there something for navigating thru dungeons? I...
Mythic dungeons tools or something iirc gives paths
bitter nest
Mythic dungeons tools or something iirc gives paths
is it working for low level cata dungeons also? any idea?
lone eagle
is it working for low level cata dungeons also? any idea?
Nobody particularly cares about tanking in leveling dungeons imo
I would just press M, see where the bosses are and press W
Most dungeons will show boss locations on the map
Just ABP
Always be pullin
And most groups won't complain. Best way to learn is by doing
strong forum
Literally just hold W
Until you know better
(which usually ends up just being holding W)
Especially in leveling dungeons
That is literally just hold W, if somebody is rushing those dungeons he's a degenerate
charred ivy
do u prio weap or shield as prot? xD got both in vault been waiting whole s4 xD
charred ivy
awwww both! haha
strong forum
It's that simple
Weapon is the biggest contributor to dealing dmg
charred ivy
so much better with 2 crap and 1 good only
strong forum
Shield is the biggest contributor to taking less damage
subtle shell
Which one looks cooler 🙂
strong forum
Patch is only gonna last 3 more weeks
Might aswell pick the weapon (unless it's not 304)
If those options arent 304,then you can just roll a dice cuz it legit doesn't matter since you can upgrade to 298 anyway
charred ivy
both gonna be 298-304
lone eagle
Does Shield Slam use any weird stats in damage calculation like shield block value
strong forum
Then weapon for that extra 5% dmg gain for leveling
lone eagle
Or is it just pure AP
strong forum
Does Shield Slam use any weird stats in damage calculation like shield block val...
Only weapon dmg + AP
charred ivy
also got enforcerers stun grenade that can be good for dps lol
proper thunder
Question regarding the ongoing bugs: Should I be taking Fueled by Violence or brutal Vitality.
strong forum
Both have minimal impact, but fbv will serve you better
charred ivy
is there a limit with DRwhen u dont want more haste?
mellow quartz
At 100% haste you gain no more GCD reduction but you still gain additional value from hasted bleed etc iirc.
strong forum
40% before buffs is when we recommend hard stopping to get haste
charred ivy
kk niot there totally yet
craggy pilot
how do people avoid running in circles for 50% of the expansion? 🤔
mellow quartz
40% before buffs is when we recommend hard stopping to get haste
You reference stat gains for the DRs and not % gains right?
oblique garnet
how do people avoid running in circles for 50% of the expansion? 🤔
They log off
Or play alts
craggy pilot
nah but i mean, i could raid, i could m+, but i always just end up running in circles instead
mellow quartz
Isn’t there a WA that counts laps around Oribos?
craggy pilot
ye but i need something opposite of that 😄 because counting laps in Oribos kinda rewards the AFK mentality
i need something saying "youre doing laps in Oribos again you fat fuck, get out and do some content"
or maybe i should just log off, and not play DF 🤣
mellow quartz
Change the text in the WA 🤷♂️
craggy pilot
ye but it only loads in Oribos, what if im doing mindless afk in Orgrimmar 🤔
maybe i can make some kind of floating text, that only loads when in rested area
lusty bobcat
I saw changes to Thunderclap for prot, and my heart skipped a beat. Thankfully it's only to the level restriction... phew
craggy pilot
Change the text in the WA 🤷♂️
made it work lol 😄
based it on being in a rested area 😂
severe hatch
To me it seems that Blizz has more or less hit their tuning goals for the majority of tanks, given the lack of changes
Tanks in general are very strong, not just Pwarr
Caveat: I'm an idiot
lusty bobcat
ye, I saw the Guardian changes, but don't really know if they do something significant. Haven't played bear in a while
ruby berry
Bear changes actually made them worse or sidegrade.
limpid anchor
Sha Said they got better. Did he lie :(
lusty bobcat
I'll be playing pwar, vdh, brew and bdk in that order. But mostly pwar, the others will be fun side projects
strong forum
You reference stat gains for the DRs and not % gains right?
Si
gloomy sphinx
made it work lol 😄
Send me this for the love of god 🤣🤣🤣
craggy pilot
Send me this for the love of god 🤣🤣🤣
!WA:2!1r1tVnoru8KnhwWGGsoeXw4qurALaKcDlDxT3k1PokbsJJCC3U9uYypphpu7zSMzCBZEcfHwTxPFcGCeXPCIZ7NatfFc6P98k(aWBSJyrc25sEtM59E)(Z8C9EntBsBsFXxif56eghKUN4pCWiNGljZfdo660dNSyVRo(kNBi56yH0ntZeCLLCHBuKc09)gXV8x)qTA1wt4H45JfmUoORZiFhVS2uMklHSWhUspnsitj6Pzt1SuyZU6zBfMR0IuZnojJs0GhCbW13IDtGxGfEkJQJTpe3kjHL9(rEknrQTcIyCMk2Yg)rBTulzZNds1hCF5MWxSLhNKckRBdtikflIfsmvW6MCfmnwO0SeMEr8TQ8GYUojpkID16PDpCI)0j(h65BNJ1oWWbqERjlsGsidowqHzLvjmMyWfiFtvglbSkEtg7mC4sZDm1yMeJgHOjEPkdssgqvw26fzqX9kEVvDfCkRKCRnjibeA85ZYA(Mw2hijLTDffcqC6J5k77mCCVtgEDoFdLTY(iJkDb4xT3KXVvl7t(FnIQapJFqFnABGKtsEckHiqU8AcNLwkxpQ4dFsXobziQa9sGOatVT5co8sZUjAjWNRJV7n0CzzgtnetQGqKwQIo2rekyNsyCSofDk(QIDlEWDl2R4Rl64PIjNdfB9FpPyF7ibYR(ePCr7XYlQawJvOo7bZnI12Tk25gCBaj8854lyo1orqOpFzOanccx3kqH6yc8U2OjbwYNHygv(7eOjjOt1YlnprZS8kFF0QW2YgnNWQa2ZatWllD5n1B2sdKMGhDgAk5YqiGLMjK6BqAqfx(0QHIgRKLaSuN0OMV8sHKEQKKT80nb7LltUZQW)X33((EHXq45ws8ffFoO22k7ZE7JpOzeYkLd53JdqSOf2dD65V(FLr29oYT9e3JDA31fNgh53(m3tAp4ObU(YR2m8EWV)o1mRafKI6R3d6SBNDxPfHBe7pU(Z)5Dy09oS33fGynIn3ADKeFfJEortA86QH(EM)Yq2GjD9CCg5fkseYVT)b)Xpzw)AJ(h8QhBwh0yVCgDDcB)t)8K9p6XrInc3zva6tRL9LVDstxGJZSWP6y8PySiHUyDv2DlBx961BScN8aA53m(X3FnJxvaKjTwJHHGJzavn7AfKev9PkBxFF3JBQ8EiY9h28I)8P)9d
You’re a gem, now maybe I’ll actually do content instead of logging off to play overwatch 🤣
craggy pilot
You’re a gem, now maybe I’ll actually do content instead of logging off to play ...
now next step is just making it count time spent in rested zones, and calculate a % of /played time 😄
gloomy sphinx
Oh god no pls lmfao im afraid of that number
uneven mason
nah but i mean, i could raid, i could m+, but i always just end up running in ci...
Literally half my playtime whenever I'm part of leadership is running in a circle while I deal with issues or strategize
spiral pebble
today i got a 304 shield from the chest, but im currently using the shield from mechagon salaved mechacycle im just wondering if that mecagon shield is any good?
uneven mason
Ilvl > yes
craggy pilot
Literally half my playtime whenever I'm part of leadership is running in a circl...
i literally just run in a circle while doing nothing
uneven mason
Just use highest ilvl
strong forum
Ilvl is king
gloomy sphinx
The amount of time I spent building mammoth trains in Legion dal is not something im proud of
uneven mason
i literally just run in a circle while doing nothing
That's oof, I log off if I have nothing to do
uneven mason
The amount of time I spent building mammoth trains in Legion dal is not somethin...
Remember when you could stack druids
uneven mason
I miss the old Orgrimmar bank roof
Shattrath, the 5k circle track
gloomy sphinx
I mean…oribis when the tree mount came out
If someone isn’t currently starting a mural of mount train I’m big sadge
uneven mason
I had an officer who once commented on how many laps they watched me do in shat, and could directly correlate it with how serious the issue was
severe hatch
Hey, if you're picking with DF in mind that tertiary speed might be BIS
strong forum
Hey, if you're picking with DF in mind that tertiary speed might be BIS
im unironiocally thinking the same
sick sentinel
anyone got a fix for not being able to take talents? "says unable to learn talent"
uneven mason
Reload your ui
sick sentinel
doesnt work
loud dawn
just logging back on warrior, doesnt look like a play style has changed other then rend?
uneven mason
just logging back on warrior, doesnt look like a play style has changed other th...
You don't rend
It applies automatically with tc
uneven mason
anyone got a fix for not being able to take talents? "says unable to learn talen...
Do you have enough points in the tier above?
elfin scarab
anyone know how i can disable blizzard party frames
strong forum
should be an option in elvui
elfin scarab
12.92
mellow quartz
Update
mellow quartz
It’s at 12.98 now
strong forum
12.99
mellow quartz
Or more
strong forum
😄
elfin scarab
bruh
vestal moat
Just saw the new healing and stamina change for all players at level 70.
My early take is that this is a small buff to prot warrior as our primary heal, indomitable and victory rush is percent based on health as opposed to flat value mitigation of other tanks. Any thoughts by TCs?
mellow quartz
They update each day right now
elfin scarab
thanks for the help
strong forum
Just saw the new healing and stamina change for all players at level 70.
My ear...
yes
elfin scarab
Will make updating easier
kk
ebon geyser
vestal moat
DH soul fragments are % health based too right ? Rich get richer.
sick sentinel
log out/back in
done both
strong forum
try to unlearn everything
mellow quartz
Did you try unlearning them all and redoing it
strong forum
go from scratch
sick sentinel
Did you try unlearning them all and redoing it
yup
mellow quartz
Otherwise just delete toon and create a new one. Easy problem solved.
strong forum
sick sentinel
Hey team anybody has a build string for my prot warrior in m+ ? its an alt and im abit confused 
weary python
Best trinkets for m+ still what's listed on wowhead?
strong forum
Hey team anybody has a build string for my prot warrior in m+ ? its an alt and i...
several in the pins
sick sentinel
Do you have any conduits or legendaries that overlap with talents
will try this
strong forum
Best trinkets for m+ still what's listed on wowhead?
rdm > aegis > ows = scars >= earthbreaker
sick sentinel
several in the pins
god im blind thanks
sick sentinel
Do you have any conduits or legendaries that overlap with talents
unequiped my leggos and went a fresh cov
strong forum
what happens when you press the rewind talents
or do you have some fancy addons
that might interact with the talent tree
sick sentinel
ive disabled all addons
sick sentinel
and when i undo it takes me back to like 3rd row of talents
strong forum
test there?
strong forum
fucking rip
uneven mason
Wait
strong forum
zone into org/sw
sick sentinel
and its only prot spec that im having problems with
uneven mason
Did you used to main a BDK or vdh
sick sentinel
me?
uneven mason
Blizzard said they were putting in code to stem the flood of fotm rerolls
Maybe This is it
sick sentinel
i was a brm
modern brook
and when i undo it takes me back to like 3rd row of talents
make a new talent profile
uneven mason
Oof
modern brook
and before you hit apply make sure you clap 3 times and scream tod howard
mellow quartz
Just create a ticket
ocean reef
and before you hit apply make sure you clap 3 times and scream tod howard
It just works
modern brook
It just works
severe hatch
Try getting Arcane Intellect buff and chugging an int pot so your character is better at learning talents
uneven mason
its fine on everything other than warr
So, are you using a preloaded talent build?
Or importing?
mellow quartz
Rename your WTF folder and log back in so settings are reset and see.
sick sentinel
So, are you using a preloaded talent build?
Imported
uneven mason
If it's outdated might not work
mellow quartz
Reset your talents on the 2 dps specs
elfin scarab
does anyone have a wa to track which stance im in?
mighty valley
You can just make your stance bar bigger?
elfin scarab
I use elvui
sick sentinel
Reset your talents on the 2 dps specs
tried
strong forum
does anyone have a wa to track which stance im in?
Track buff - defensive stance
Track buff - battle stance
elfin scarab
on elnvui
elfin scarab
with a macro or?
elfin scarab
k
mellow quartz
You can just enable stance bar in Elvui under unitframes
elfin scarab
yeah i got it
mellow quartz
Or maybe it’s action bars
This damage and hp change in beta seems like a huge nerf to brew
placid vale
Now they need more healing to be topped off
mellow quartz
What’s our HP at on beta now? (Not home to check)
placid vale
35 million
mellow quartz
Was abt 300k before around ilvl 400 so that would be a big excessive
uneven mason
Smells like cataclysm
weary python
rdm > aegis > ows = scars >= earthbreaker
Awesome, thank you. I just got rdm last night from raid and ows last week so I'll make sure I have those equipped when I login later.
mellow quartz
Smells like cataclysm
They are arguing that if they did nothing DF would turn into Legions 1 shot meta.
modern brook
Imported
if you're importing from a guide, just put them in manually, the code is sometimes broken from the import links
uneven mason
I mean.....
sick sentinel
if you're importing from a guide, just put them in manually, the code is sometim...
already tried creating a new loadout
west wedge
is it worth have more than 30% haste?
modern brook
Don't worry about your secondaries, there are no breakpoints
uneven mason
is it worth have more than 30% haste?
If that's what your highest ilvl gear gives you
mellow quartz
Don't worry about your secondaries, there are no breakpoints
Might not be any actual break points but stat DR is very much a thing. Nothing to worry abt at his haste levels though.
uneven mason
I mean we still don't worry about secondaries
mellow quartz
If you have multiple items of the same ilvl then why not?
rose warren
prot still being the best tank?
uneven mason
It never stopped.
rose warren
sand drum
idk what to pick :C ? Gambit ring for DF lvling ?
suspecting mechagon rings are disabled during DF lvling ?
icy yarrow
they work in beta rn, lvling server*
modern brook
All of your gear will be obsolete in 2 months. Take your favorite stat distribution of ilvl
uneven mason
What's worth the most gold
modern brook
The coins
minor helm
Coin into either mats for AH or the gold bag
lavish oracle
IV, indom, and rally 📈
prisma crane
IV, indom, and rally 📈
damage has increased by the same %, so arguably the stonks remain constant, not up
uneven mason
Yeah when it comes down to it, bv or fbv are stepping stones because we can't step farther down the tree
Good talents, because they do something greater than zero but not enough to force you to them
lavish oracle
damage has increased by the same %, so arguably the stonks remain constant, not ...
Nah, because all fixed healing got nerfed by comparison
prisma crane
i suppose
uneven mason
damage has increased by the same %, so arguably the stonks remain constant, not ...
Our damage reduction is relative too
So yeah we made gains in that change
prisma crane
%'s dont change, the only argument you can make is what he said wrt comparing to external hard value heals
mellow quartz
BV etc is based on our damage which is constant so relatively worse.
Great for bdk who heals as a %
prisma crane
it's also an effective IP nerf unless we're sitting at capped IP like we are now
mellow quartz
The cap goes up. Will be harder to get there.
uneven mason
it's also an effective IP nerf unless we're sitting at capped IP like we are now
I don't forsee us not having the budget for capped ip
prisma crane
agreed, which is why it'll be an effective nerf to IP
uneven mason
The cap goes up. Will be harder to get there.
IP scales with our hp
prisma crane
cap does, not cast
unless something changed that i dont know about IP is based on our AP
mellow quartz
Yep
prisma crane
so it's a 40% nerf to IP (again unless we're capping IP anyways)
mellow quartz
We are capping IP a lot
prisma crane
currently, yes
mellow quartz
And it’s a nerf to BV and tier
prisma crane
at 70, likely not for a while
uneven mason
at 70, likely not for a while
Pretty sure there isn't any issues with capping IP at 70
mellow quartz
This is only beta, not prepatch
prisma crane
it'll be 40% harder to cap now
lone eagle
It's a massive crippling nerf to Brew and Prot pally imo
smaller nerf to bear and pwar
just because pwar is very mitigative forward which is net neutral
prisma crane
but either way, it's a nerf to IP
lone eagle
and potential to overcap IP is high in a lot of scenarios
it's probably a small buff or net neutral for BDK
small nerf for VDH as they are very leech based atm
median tulip
Sorry what nerf is this?
uneven mason
Sorry what nerf is this?
More hp and more damage
lone eagle
tl;dr nerf to healers that has knock on effects for non % damage taken/% health healing
median tulip
Right, so our cap goes up but the actual output of IP doesn't
prisma crane
correct
mellow quartz
It’s a pretty substantial relative buff to bdk vs most other tanks.
lone eagle
but there were definitely times you overcapped anyway
prisma crane
someone on beta know if health pots are going up 40%? otherwise those got nerfed and lock rocks got better
prisma crane
yea
lavish oracle
Bdk was already unkillable so they're just more unkillable now
prisma crane
like i said only 40% if we never cap
i for one am SHOCKED that BDK ends up lucky again lol
/s
median tulip
OTOH Indomitable, Victory Rush, Impending Victory, Rallying Cry, Second Wind and Pain & Gain all go up
prisma crane
no
lavish oracle
I feel like we come out pretty good on these changes too, tbh
mellow quartz
They go up relatively
prisma crane
those are all relatively the same, just slightly better because of external nerfs
mellow quartz
To other tanks with fixed numbers
prisma crane
as far as self sustain they're the same
its just that now we'll be a larger % of our sustain relative external heals
but as prot we tend to not be hard to directly heal anyways, we just cant be ignored like a BDK can
median tulip
Yeah, EHRPS will rise because IP contribution goes down, relatively
uneven mason
but as prot we tend to not be hard to directly heal anyways, we just cant be ign...
In rage rich situations I'm pretty sure we can get close
prisma crane
brutal vit def takes a smack though because of less uptime of IP
dusk iris
Is Venthyr viable ? I see a lot of Pwar switching Vent
prisma crane
In rage rich situations I'm pretty sure we can get close
i'd argue this depends on damage profiles, but i could see it anywhere outside of heavy magic or bleeds
median tulip
brutal vit def takes a smack though because of less uptime of IP
With set bonus that's less of an issue, surely?
prisma crane
Is Venthyr viable ? I see a lot of Pwar switching Vent
everything is 'viable'
uneven mason
Is Venthyr viable ? I see a lot of Pwar switching Vent
It's prepatch, play whatevs
prisma crane
With set bonus that's less of an issue, surely?
if set bonus comes first in the code yes, i havent been on beta to confirm this or not
median tulip
To be honest, in terms of overall healing this is a nerf to BV, FbV and Leech
karmic plinth
venthyr in design sucks for protection
mellow quartz
With set bonus that's less of an issue, surely?
Set bonus just adds 5%
uneven mason
Especially with the execute netf
prisma crane
yea, leech did take a big hit
lavish oracle
With our damage, BV, set, and our massive rage gen, I don't think capping IP is going to really be an issue
prisma crane
Set bonus just adds 5%
no, set bonus theoretically always gives us an active iP from damage
chrome falcon
To be honest, in terms of overall healing this is a nerf to BV, FbV and **Leech*...
definitely not a nerf to BV
median tulip
Set bonus just adds 5%
4pc adds a fresh IP if you don't have one
prisma crane
definitely not a nerf to BV
brutal vit
lavish oracle
Like, it feels like less of our IP is going to be overhealing
chrome falcon
yes i know what they meant
my point stands
if we're taking more damage
IP is going to be capped less
so BV might actually do something
mellow quartz
Was talking abt its value to BV
chrome falcon
if set bonus comes first in the code yes, i havent been on beta to confirm this ...
set bonus does come first
if you have the tier buff up
you get 35% leech (in the form of IP)
median tulip
if we're taking more damage
My point is thought that we are dealing the same amount of damage, so BVs overall contribution to our required healing is less as a % of total
uneven mason
In the end this change is neutral, and won't impact our playstyle much
prisma crane
playstyle wont change at all imo
mellow quartz
You usually have rage to IP on beta sufficiently you don’t need set bonus to start IP
prisma crane
it's just numbers game we're referring to
uneven mason
We might press IP a bit more in low rage situations because it could fall off
Thats it
chrome falcon
My point is thought that we are **dealing** the same amount of damage, so BVs ov...
still not sure if i agree but also we're both just running off feelycraft so it didn't doesn't matter i suppose
prisma crane
BSV though should be less annoying to utilize intentionally
lofty widget
assuming IP doesnt fall off, a bigger HP should be a buff to BV since it might actually get some value if were not capped all the time anyway
median tulip
We will get more healing from Indom, P&G, VR/IV, Rallying Cry & SW, but less from IP/BV/FbV/Leech (as a % of total)
prisma crane
its realistically the only way i could see it taken as a talent in the first place
median tulip
Well not SW, but you know what I mean
fallow osprey
Is this a PvP driven change or were the issues mentioned by Blizzard also present in PvE content? (e.g. damage required to be spiky otherwise it wasn’t threatening?)
chrome falcon
people were getting absolutely fucking globaled
in several dungeons
(people meaning not us)
everyone is fine
mellow quartz
Is this a PvP driven change or were the issues mentioned by Blizzard also presen...
PVE. They don’t want another legion m+
chrome falcon
some people are better than fine (us, vdh, bdk)
no-one is worse than fine
well except that one druid spec
median tulip
BDK heals by % of HP, so they'll be fine
fallow osprey
Thanks
chrome falcon
oh sorry
mellow quartz
no-one is worse than fine
Monks are worse
chrome falcon
i didn't see you said
specifically from the health change
yeah idk sorry i'll shut up lol
radiant magnet
even Guarian isnt actually terrible. tankiness and output are decent. just not fun to play
chilly brook
Monks are worse
Technically an HP buff for monk is more powerful than anyone else
lavish oracle
well except that one druid spec
Who? Feral? Boomy? Resto?
chrome falcon
lavish oracle
Who?
median tulip
Technically an HP buff for monk is more powerful than anyone else
Touch of Death?
lavish oracle
😛
mellow quartz
Technically an HP buff for monk is more powerful than anyone else
Healer power is less and they are more reliant
chilly brook
Touch of Death?
No just the nature of stagger
chilly brook
Healer power is less and they are more reliant
Healer power isn’t changing
mellow quartz
Yes
prisma crane
yea, which is why it's effectively worse
chilly brook
No….
mellow quartz
That’s the whole point lol
chilly brook
Did you read the post?
prisma crane
damage went up, heals stayed the same
chilly brook
Healers are not getting nerfed
prisma crane
did you read it?
median tulip
Healer power isn’t changing
Exactly; the amount of HP needed to heal is going up, but healer output stays the same
chilly brook
Not necessarily
median tulip
In relative terms, healers heal for less % of your HP bar
prisma crane
unless they were all overheals it is
chilly brook
unless they were all overheals it is
Which apparently they were
Tldr throughput was too high
mellow quartz
The whole point of the change was to relatively nerf healers
chilly brook
So they compensated by giving more health pool and more damage intake
median tulip
There's always a point that you can hit where healing and EHRPS hits parity; that point is now a lower key
mellow quartz
So self reliant tanks are better off
mellow quartz
Not the point…..
fallow osprey
Why is increasing health pools and creature damage a better fix for healer power than reducing healer output?
mellow quartz
It’s all relative we are talking abt
chilly brook
Considering the whole statement originally was monk gains a lot from more health…..
prisma crane
Why is increasing health pools and creature damage a better fix for healer power...
honestly probably just an easier solution
chilly brook
Then we got on some weird tangent about healers
prisma crane
simpler*
mellow quartz
Considering the whole statement originally was monk gains a lot from more health...
It was monk being worse of from the change. Not just abt health in general lol
jagged pier
Why is increasing health pools and creature damage a better fix for healer power...
because they would need to retune and balanace all the talent trees, easier just to buff hp and damage than do that
median tulip
It could well just be simplicity
chilly brook
Monk isn’t going to be “worse” from the change
mellow quartz
Bdk looks at this and are like ‘sweet deal’
mellow quartz
Monk isn’t going to be “worse” from the change
You agree they are the most reliant on healers?
radiant magnet
Doesnt impact me. ProtWarrior health bar stays at 100% either way.
prisma crane
Doesnt impact me. ProtWarrior health bar stays at 100% either way.
i miss legion when this was a borderline literal statement lol
mellow quartz
Doesnt impact me. ProtWarrior health bar stays at 100% either way.
With a 40% damage increase might not be the case lol
chilly brook
Does it matter if they’re the most reliant on healers when they get a shit ton of ehp from just raw health pool?