Prepatch is the most fun time in the game because you still have previous expansion borrowed power + new shit
#protection
oblique garnet
oblique garnet
Exactly
ionic fern
oblique garnet
Games are supposed to be FUN
median tulip
Just use a Shadowlands tier set one but change the spell ID of the buff to the new one.
Buffs plural
ionic fern
Games are supposed to be FUN
Everyone knows that's a lie.
Games are meant to deepen our depression.
strong forum
Pretty sure that's intentional
digital delta
Games are supposed to be FUN
SL made me go away from that opinion i guess
strong forum
That's just an assumption but every legendary now doesn't do more than whatever the talent Version is
blazing condor
known tool-tip goofiness
prisma shore
can someone tell me pls how and when to use thunderous roar in the opener?
prisma shore
thanks
warm plinth
@ionic fern hi ily
ionic fern
<@238357283996696576> hi ily
warm plinth
how you doing sir
ionic fern
I'm at the point of the day where i have a lot of work to do but no real motivation to do it.
How about you?
warm plinth
Leveling pwar 😮
ionic fern
warm plinth
First interview for promotion tomorrow 😱
compact siren
How much healing does fueled by violence do now that it's fixed?
oblique garnet
50% of deep wounds damage
jagged pier
More than 0
pulsar marsh
Do I understand it correctly that I can't have 100% shieldblock uptime and that I therefore should prioritize to never have more than 2 Stack && use it when I expect the most incoming blockable dmg? Im trying to adjust my weakauras so that I never let it fall off (chain it) - but if that isnt possible than I wont waste anymore time in doing that.
strong forum
You can easily have 100% block uptime now
And you can safely stack up SB to 3x duration without any loss of uptime
18sec baseline, 24sec with Enduring Defenses talented
pulsar marsh
only with ShieldCharge or Legendary right? I mean without Legendary and without ShielCharge?
strong forum
Currently during pre-patch Heavy Repercussion + Enduring Defenses is more than enough to get 100%
If you wanna be extra sure you can also talent into Bolster
For that 150% uptime
lofty widget
With seismic+ed i Had like 90% uptime yesterday
pulsar marsh
aaaah you are right 🙂 i didnt skill in heavy repercussion 😄
lofty widget
Which is more than fine imo
pulsar marsh
I had into the fray for m+
strong forum
Ya itf + Ed is already enough to have almost no downtime
With current haste levels + affix
jagged pier
Ed+hr is enough in df as well but u ferl the lack of haste 😦
strong forum
ED + Bulwark in DF is close to being enough if you can get close to 40% haste
jagged pier
Yah but 40% S1 vunna take a while
dry heart
Shield Slam procs are #1 priority in the rotation correct?
strong forum
Pmuch
Until bigass pulls of like 7+ mobs
And ofc if there's a prio mob you shield slam that no matter what
dry heart
On big ass pulls and avatar up I feel like I’m smashing buttons like crazy
inner hound
Every pull is like that for me, and I love it
dry heart
It’s really fun
My haste isn’t even that high either
Do you eventually just get a feel for how often to IP to dump rage sometimes I feel like I can’t get rid of it fast enough and others can get a bit carried away
velvet maple
Currently during pre-patch Heavy Repercussion + Enduring Defenses is more than e...
That's a pin right there.
dry heart
I took itf because my haste is like only 20ish % lol
Keep getting crit gear
And vers
strong forum
Eh
HR would do you better in that scenario
Cuz the main reason for haste has been block uptime
HR grants you more block uptime than ITF
The resource gen is obv also a big role, but 50%+ of our rage gen isn't from hasted sources currently
gleaming oracle
Guys whay lego do u use in prepatch for dmg? I kinda dislike reprisal.....
ionic fern
Seismic.
gleaming oracle
Cheers
reef spindle
Wish they had fixed Brutal Vitality over Fueled by Violence 😦 But is it worth running with FbV over BV until fixed?
reef spindle
They fixed it according to blizzard
lone eagle
Probably worth dropping the Shield Wall conduit or something
and picking up FBV from the conduits
reef spindle
dry heart
Be glad for the Violent outburst fix, hitting those big SS is satisfying but it feels so clunky to me right now with the bug.
muted dome
Hi. I'm kind of new to tanking with the warrior and i feel like i'm not doing something properly. I'm using Seismic Reverberation. Does anyone have a build that works with that legendary for M+ on the +15 roughly? For some reason the one which is pins it has more skills then intended, and don't know how to rotate the points in what i need and what i don't need.
strong forum
The one in the pins has exactly the amount of points you have access to
Care to send an image of your talents? I can have a look
muted dome
Nome should put the import links into the pins
I'm blonde today, sorry 😦
strong forum
The import links are in the wowhead links
strong forum
You have sidearm talented
My seismic build doesn't
And youre using bounding stride instead of intimidating shout
But that one is fine
Generally the build seems fine to me, so I don't see much of an issue
median tulip
I've seen a lot of people insisting on Intimidating Shout; I've very rarely used it during SL, why is it suddenly so highly thought of?
jagged pier
More stops = better in high m+
muted dome
Generally the build seems fine to me, so I don't see much of an issue
Oh yes. Thank you for clarifying the build. Also as a ''rotation'' more or less, can you help a bit?
strong forum
CDs > SS > TC > revenge in ST
CDs > SS >= TC = revenge in aoe until you get overloaded with rage then you lower the prio of SS*
*unless there a prio target then you send SS to actually speed up the key instead of trying to get a bigger looking overall dps
muted dome
CDs > SS > TC > revenge in ST
CDs > SS >= TC = revenge in aoe until you get over...
TC needs to be used just to refresh the dots?
median tulip
TC is a Rage generator
inner hound
It also does big damage in aoe itself and it generates rage and SS resets
median tulip
And if you're running UF/BV/TL it reduces the CD of DS
strong forum
The goal of pwar is to generate and spend as much rage as possible
TC generates rage instead of spending it
And now with UF and SoF it actually does good damage so it's just a good button to press
median tulip
It's like being back in BfA
The key to playing Warrior is to leverage the shit out of Anger Management and Indomitable. Avatar generates Rage, and with UF makes TClap make more Rage (& damage) and TClap makes Demo Shout come back faster (with TL) and BV makes DS generate Rage... It's all feedback loops within feedback loops.
Which is why we say that Protection Warrior is just about getting Too Angry To Die
dry heart
You get angry and turn into an even bigger angrier angry warrior
median tulip
I heard you liked Rage, so I put Rage Generators in your Rage Generators so you can Ignore Pain while you Ignore Pain
whole plinth
don't think I've had an APM this high in a while
but then again just returning to warrior
dry heart
Is massacre just a bait talent it sounds good but it probably isn’t considering how important SB is
median tulip
Protection Warrior is the carpal tunnel syndrome spec, NGL
dry heart
Irl rage inducing
radiant magnet
Protection Warrior is the carpal tunnel syndrome spec, NGL
after playing other tanks on Beta, can confirm this. other tanks dont feel bad but do feel like you're coasting on the cpms
median tulip
Shut up and press IP moar
dry heart
Bring back heroic strike?
median tulip
Devastator is a permanent Heroic Strike
karmic plinth
Is massacre just a bait talent it sounds good but it probably isn’t considering ...
with current execute value it's not worth it
dry heart
I thought heroic strike used to be a rage dump back in the olden days
dry heart
with current execute value it's not worth it
Gotcha
sick sentinel
im not even positive ill be maining protection warrior in df
dry heart
Why’s that
sick sentinel
some kinda like fear of the future thing
obsidian path
At least gameplay will be fun
sick sentinel
started to slow down and not be as motivated to level toons past 2 or 3 days lioe the whole of this month
i was going super ham before, leveled over 120 levels then did an alliance paladin and warrior to 50, priest, cuz im trying not to overlap and make redundant toons is 26 after 2 to 3 days
chilly brook
Bring back heroic strike?
Used to be on that train, playing classic with friends now and uhhhh I’m fine with that button staying dead
sick sentinel
im just a bit apprehensive of dragonflight, havent looked deep into any of it
dry heart
Used to be on that train, playing classic with friends now and uhhhh I’m fine wi...
I think they killed that button shortly after I started playing. Wouldn’t it basically be like a damage option Vs IP spam
muted dome
Which is why we say that Protection Warrior is just about getting Too Angry To D...
Thank you for the info <3. @strong forum also thanks <3.
craggy pilot
is reprisal still the go-to in m+?
you can reprisal, you can the wall, you can seismic
doesnt rly matter
craggy pilot
pins dont say anything for m+ and reprisal
in pins there is a build for each legendary
median tulip
started to slow down and not be as motivated to level toons past 2 or 3 days lio...
This is why I quit a couple of months back, the instant I got 2k for the seasonal mount. Decided a good break would have me raring to go when DF launched.
sick sentinel
not so much addiction to wow for me, more that there isn't a better retail game in the wild ATM
like, gta 6 or something, if thats good, i could see my self stopping wow play that a bunch
zealous willow
I saw on icevains we play without Shockwave is it right ?
mellow quartz
I saw on icevains we play without Shockwave is it right ?
you don't have the points to get it in prepatch
fervent dune
in pins there is a build for each legendary
there is literally no** m+ **reprisal build unless im blind
lone eagle
To make my warr male draenei or not from HMT 🤔
pros: look dope, have GotN to gigaheal an idiot in my group
cons: have to be Alliance when my guild is Horde
mellow quartz
there is literally no** m+ **reprisal build unless im blind
just go with the 'no legendary' build
fervent dune
xD
uneven mason
Draeni, the race that looks like a warrior from the waist up. And a child from the waist down
craggy pilot
there is literally no** m+ **reprisal build unless im blind
Oh the reprisal build is on wowhead them my bad
mellow quartz
Like the Siesmic build is just taking a legendary instead of 1 talent point so all you change is 1 talent point. It doesnt really matter.
uneven mason
Massive upper body, itty bitty skinny legs
lone eagle
My boy Sense is a Draenei enjoyer I know @shut summit
uneven mason
just go with the 'no legendary' build
This is me because I only have reprisal and the wall crafted from 9.0.5 and I'm too lazy to look up the other legendary junk
dull granite
I have only the trip heroic leap one, actually kinda busted in upper and iron docks :D
raven hatch
there is literally no** m+ **reprisal build unless im blind
You really don’t need reprisal anymore mate
uneven mason
there is literally no** m+ **reprisal build unless im blind
Reprisal was a bandaid to solve the clunky opener and lack of sb availability
It's not needed anymore and won't be unless they really shit the bed in the next 6 weeks with tuning
fervent dune
Reprisal was a bandaid to solve the clunky opener and lack of sb availability
thanks! was asking becasue wowhead recommends reprisal still
uneven mason
I mean we didn't have a ton of other options atm
modern brook
reprisal is still good
but with the new talent tree
block uptime is a non issue
rage gen is a non issue
and BSC was nerfed slightly so REvenge! procs are less impactful
essentially neutering every aspect of the leggo
it does let you comfortably go for ITF or Tough as nails though which is nice since our points are very tight as it is
radiant magnet
BV doesnt really shine until you get tier set
not that it's bad, just tier makes it op
until tier, that talent selection depends on you. If your IP uptime is high then BV gains value. If your IP uptime has gaps, then FBV gains value.
mellow quartz
Tier is nice but I would not say it makes it amazing. In DF you will most likely hit IP enough that it’s always up and BV with or without tier will still keep feeding the active IP.
Tier would only really make a huge difference if you are in a situation where you don’t have the rage to hit IP or you have so much incoming damage that it goes away immediately at which point the tier passively putting it up will be a big help.
Those are almost non existent situations from what I have seen so far but might occur later on in harder content I guess.
strong forum
The diff between fbv and BV won't be big
So sure, it's playable
Any situation where fbv is good in you'll have tons of leech healing anyway so it's just a drip in the bucket
radiant magnet
agreed. tier just makes IP gaps vanish, so BV always has an IP to feed
if that's already your situation due to play style and content, then BV already has that value
if it's not, then FBV may be stronger for you.
*assuming tier works from the max bug
mellow quartz
If you don’t have the rage to IP usually you are hit so hard that you won’t be able to build up an IP just from tier and BV alone imo.
It will still act as leech but I would not expect to be able to build up an IP ‘bubble’.
Again those are not common situation atm and as long as you have IP up anyway from rage dumping all tier does is give BV 35 instead of 30% increase.
if FBV works now and BV is still bugged then take FBV
guess I can go test if they fixed it
the BV bug was it stopped increasing the IP after you hit max once right?
idle swan
Is there a way to sim right now? raidbots telling me I can't create dragon_roar
radiant magnet
no
idle swan
rip
mellow quartz
BV is still bugged
radiant magnet
would go FBV til fixed then. difference will be small imo
strong forum
If plka wouldn't have asked about BV being bugged I'd not have noticed at all
Since on beta I think vanguards determination makes IP continously work
radiant magnet
yeah, good catch. wouldnt have even thought to test that
mellow quartz
it's one of those things where you have so much rage you just IP all the time anyway so BV is kinda pointless lol
strong forum
Well thing is
Even then you can lose value from BV
But the funny part is engaging a pack in m+, you revenge once and you instantly have a full IP banked up 
Very satisfying
lusty tiger
With 4pc?
lusty tiger
That’s pretty juiced
strong forum
It is
radiant magnet
sshhhh, dont tell devs
mellow quartz
like, charge > clap > demo and what I am to do with all this rage....
lone eagle
and have both FBV + BV
mellow quartz
doesnt really matter in prepatch and you cant get both in DF
they didn't fix the TC on 7 stacks of seeing red either
warm tulip
Having a moment. Fbv and Bv?
warm tulip
Jebus....lol yup been a long day.
Ty
I may be the minority here but was anyone else hoping they would bring back Glad stance?
mellow quartz
@strong forum BV has the same bug on beta, tier set works fine though
sick sentinel
hearing now enhance got a 25% nerf lol
oak echo
yeah tons of classes got touched yesterday including that
warm tulip
25% is a Lil much eh?
oak echo
need a vault opinion...gut says weapon is the safest pick but i also hate seeing the 220 ring still there and it's 130 more haste lol
yeah i think the enh nerf is overkill. they were good but not 25% ahead good
warm tulip
Mogs always
sick sentinel
disc is confusing
cobalt seal
need a vault opinion...gut says weapon is the safest pick but i also hate seeing...
Always weapon
warm tulip
need a vault opinion...gut says weapon is the safest pick but i also hate seeing...
This close to next xpac always wep
sick sentinel
was kind of hoping to see fear ward on main priest tree if thats not a thing
oak echo
kk thank you
warm tulip
yeah i think the enh nerf is overkill. they were good but not 25% ahead good
10% would been fine imo
mellow quartz
weren't they doing mad damage in keys but less so in raid?
dapper nest
^^^
mellow quartz
well guess that is prepatch, not sure what the DF numbers for ST look like for enhance
dapper nest
Also they gave WW a paragraph explaining the nerfs and ENH got just nothing
warm tulip
Yeesh
cobalt seal
weren't they doing mad damage in keys but less so in raid?
Why are you using pre patch data
What
mellow quartz
I just said nvm
dapper nest
We're spoiled here
warm tulip
Ha
mellow quartz
there has been plenty of dev notes for warrior changes yes
mellow quartz
no
warm tulip
^
mellow quartz
didn't you get banned from the dk discord cro?
warm tulip
There's some nasty folks on the Dk server lol
dapper nest
They weeb post and it's funny
cobalt seal
didn't you get banned from the dk discord cro?
Fake news
astral crystal
enh got nuked but ww got away relatively unscathed
and ww is stomping pretty hard in keys
astral crystal
relatively unscathed 🙂
mellow quartz
Not sure abt that
cobalt seal
relatively unscathed 🙂
mellow quartz
They got 10-20% nerfs to just abt everything.
astral crystal
i thought their spenders and spinning crane kick were left alone
maybe i didnt read it right
errant marsh
Hi guys, did some know how to do a WA for :
I am in DEF stance, i have NO aggro >> show icon of battle stance
errant marsh
i'm not sure in mythic raid progress that it would be nice
cobalt seal
Why is that?
errant marsh
20% reduc damage is good no ?
warm tulip
Lol
keen peak
i'm not sure in mythic raid progress that it would be nice
Ask the MT to sunder more!
errant marsh
so you are just using def stance as a def cd ?
warm tulip
...
sand pebble
Havent used it at all
mellow quartz
so you are just using def stance as a def cd ?
use def stance if you have issues and might die, otherwise no need and more damage more better
sand pebble
I was able to solo last boss upper on last platform in bstance, its not really needed
torn gulch
def stance will be a thing for progression and big keys
the rest you most likely play in battle strance
modern brook
D stance is gunna be the new ip holy shit
torn gulch
very good people will learn to min max the stances
for extra damage or defensive power when it counts
i find it very hard to believe prot warrior will not be nerfed
or if it happens they will stay like this for more than one patch
mellow quartz
how so?
torn gulch
it's too strong
mellow quartz
compared to what?
torn gulch
to the rest of the tanks
mellow quartz
you played it vs the other tank on beta?
torn gulch
yes i did
mellow quartz
do you know how to play the other tanks?
torn gulch
to a certain degree yes
modern brook
Pwar is overhyped tbh
mellow quartz
vdh and dk for example are super tanky on beta as well
modern brook
Every garbage player can suddenly maintain block for free so the avg increase from sl is way higher than other classes
mellow quartz
just different damage intake profiles
lofty widget
ppl just think pwar is a lot better cause its also a lot easier to play properly
torn gulch
it's not only me who says that prot warrior is too strong i've observed a lot of the big tank players think the same
modern brook
We're good for sure no lie
torn gulch
like naowh, dorki etc
modern brook
But better than others is a weird take
summer eagle
I feel like its not a weird take at all
torn gulch
i don't mind if it stays like this but it won't stay like this for more than 1 patch
i just have a feeling
mellow quartz
meta is all abt doing damage as long as you don't die
pwar does not do the most damage atm
especially not if you have to be in defensive stance at the very highest keys
mellow quartz
don't get me wrong I am not saying pwar isn't strong or the strongest tank and that it wont be meta I am just saying its not 'omg needs a nerf crazy strong tank"
dapper nest
This man just rainchecked you\
lofty widget
its not dk s3/s4 sooo, we're good right?
mellow quartz
pwar now is not pwar 3 weeks ago
torn gulch
i don't mind at all if it stays like this i will be happy i main prot warr for forever
we will have to see
modern brook
torn gulch
it's a shame what happened to bears
they will have to wait until 10.1 to be worked on
radiant magnet
playable now, just not enjoyable
dire tulip
How does block over 100% work.
In the past, I know it could crit block, but I can't find anything anywhere explaining how it works now
jagged pier
Theres no such thing as blocking over 100% u ither block an attack or u dont
Crit block is rng on a block
And it maxs at like 85% DR
sick sentinel
i believe there is some crap about if you have more than 100% block (bolster) that you get more crit block chance
oak echo
Crit block is only increased by mastery
jagged pier
oblique garnet
You heard the man blue name
modern brook
Blue looks good on mwahi
ionic fern
I got a clown next to my name so that's a given.
blazing condor
You also got them above and below your name
urban bane
wait are people still dooming about nerfs? they removed arguably the biggest "offender" to us being op, the party-wide shield wall or w/e
in addition to quite a lot of damage nerfs, ofc
modern brook
Yes we are now trash tier and need buffs 
jagged pier
mortal brook
oak echo
was anyone dooming? i feel like it was the opposite of that lol
the hype never slows down atm
urban bane
fair, i guess it was one guy earlier today
torn gulch
we were not dooming
just discussing things
i am looking forward to a busy mythic+ season on my prot warrior
ornate thunder
Any work around for the dragon_roar error in sims?
severe hatch
Sims also not updated AFAIK
ionic fern
Sims also not updated AFAIK
This.
severe hatch
Feelycraft reigns supreme, embrace the Era of freedom
ornate thunder
okay then, 304 fusion hacker an upgrade over a sawblade at 298?
cobalt seal
Yes
severe hatch
304 > 298 yep
ornate thunder
ty!
jagged pier
Just gunna says are open source anyone can go help write them 🙂
ornate thunder
Can you send a DM with info on where to start repo/etc
ionic fern
Just gunna says are open source anyone can go help write them 🙂
This.
ornate thunder
Yeah, I have to fuck with objc header files enough at work, you trying to scare me off already
dark lark
I've been out of the loop for prepatch stuff, is our m+ Lego seismic and raid Lego the wall?
ornate thunder
Wait is the wiki correct has prot been broken since bfa
modern brook
I've been out of the loop for prepatch stuff, is our m+ Lego seismic and raid Le...
Yeah more or less
dont craft new shit
just play reprisal if you have it
ornate thunder
Are they auto updating the docs
ionic fern
Just haven't bothered with pre-patch due other obligations.
ornate thunder
or is it manual
dark lark
No fuck reprisal
ionic fern
Will get it running by DF.
dark lark
Lego pieces are like sub 5k on my server I'm sending it
dark lark
@modern brook is your build in the pins with seismic?
modern brook
😄 it uses seismic
dark lark
Thanks
modern brook
but its really Nom's
I just bitched really hard cause he gas lit me about dropping talents fro rav
modern brook
so he threw my name on there to placate me and it worked
dark lark
I used to hate Ravager at the start of SL but I felt naked messing with different builds without it on beta
modern brook
My original plan was to just drop Indom for ravager
from the standard build
but nom used his good player privilege to come up with whats in pins
Honestly- its very hard to make a bad talent set
all of them are gas
some more so then other
lyric elm
According to Nomeratur you troll if you dont take ravager, have to test and see
yea its the best designed tree in the game
it fullfills the idea of choice
many trees are just go right or go left
lyric elm
sure, but there will likely be situations where you cant pull as big, or you want to survive more
uneven mason
Or ae
dark lark
No BV/TL gives me 0 reason to hit Demo Shout if I'm not doing like a 25 lol
lyric elm
interrupting shout
dark lark
Shield Specialization just makes you invincible these days
uneven mason
Yeah no bv it feels hard to justify the GCD
modern brook
i mean the cool part is that Shield spec unlocks all your cds
dark lark
It's such a perfect spot for that talent
dark lark
_ook ook intensifies _
uneven mason
It's such a perfect spot for that talent
I feel bad for the druids, I get the impression that they're just so used to being boring but effective that they waited patiently in line for a dev to approach them
cobalt seal
Honestly- its very hard to make a bad talent set
uneven mason
Meanwhile warriors saw that first iteration in alpha and our big brains showed up with torches and pitchforks swinging signs that said "never again" and math of course they had math
lyric elm
I feel bad for the druids, I get the impression that they're just so used to bei...
it's a lot of work for a druid dev because of 4 very distinct specs i suppose
uneven mason
it's a lot of work for a druid dev because of 4 very distinct specs i suppose
It's not really, they obviously put very little thought into the tree at all
hybrid harness
what leggo/cov do i play for prepatch?
uneven mason
There is no rhyme or reason to it, synergies only exist on some abilities, it's very much like the original version of the warrior trees
lyric elm
It's not really, they obviously put very little thought into the tree at all
just be aware that the warrior dev is goated, its hard to compare us to the rest
uneven mason
Druids just didn't follow through
lyric elm
the priest dev is eating dirt too
modern brook
https://www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DARBFVRUVABFVUEkFAVQ...
your best active effort is still like 5 point shifts away from being very playable
uneven mason
just be aware that the warrior dev is goated, its hard to compare us to the rest
It's more that the war dev just worked with the community and we had people providing constructive feedback at every step
lyric elm
It's more that the war dev just worked with the community and we had people prov...
yea cuz he's competent
hehe
and the druid dev didnt because he's not
uneven mason
Druid team was not active or collaborative, the boomkins fucking hate bears and there is no feral voice to speak of and resto mains dgaf about anything else
Resto mains pay more attention to fucking priest talents than their own class tree
They are
modern brook
Druid in concept just doesnt mesh with the current reality of the game
lone eagle
word on the street from a friend of a friend of a friend who had a cappucino with a guy who works at Blizzarde
VDH nerfs are in the pipeline
cobalt seal
your best active effort is still like 5 point shifts away from being very playab...
5 point shift
modern brook
they're going to be in a constant state of either paying for the tools of other specs they dontw ant to use, or staring at a tree with 75% worthless stuff
cobalt seal
I fear what is that build you call playable
uneven mason
It's very much like the druids got a tree built for shadowlands. Where power is gated and the focus was bent on keeping broken combinations
modern brook
5 point shift
i didnt look at the class tree for the record
also being contrarian for the sake of it is a small look
uneven mason
VDH nerfs are in the pipeline
It's called balancing
modern brook
if you would like me to qualify my statement as
uneven mason
Just like I won't be shocked to see prot warrior drop 7% armor
modern brook
"making a bad talent tree with a semblence of understanding about the spec and the intent to make something playable is very difficult" i can
cobalt seal
VDH nerfs are in the pipeline
we already know that
for like 1 month lol
the dev itself said it
and with vdh nerfs comes pwar/brew/ppala/bdk/evoker tank spec changes
uneven mason
Vdh brm and prot are on the table to get balanced down a notch I feel. Guardian needs to be brought up some or have some actual synergy added to their trees
lone eagle
Brew will probably get offensive nerfs, with a chance of defensive buffs
uneven mason
Brew is fine defensively, they can spec into like 5? CD
lone eagle
I suspect Guardian will either get a bandaid or nothing at all with a talent rework in 10.0.5
cobalt seal
Brew will probably get offensive nerfs, with a chance of defensive buffs
so all you saying is "feelycrafting"
because I wonder why is vdh the "it's getting nerfs"
when pwar/brew should also be there in the main list
uneven mason
Guess I'll try a dh next
Do we still have to do that idiotically slow starting zone for them?
lone eagle
It's not that slow but yes they start at level 8
vital sinew
With heirlooms, everything dies in 1-2 hits
strong forum
I suspect 🗿
uneven mason
Ugh hate that place, just lemme hit up some dungeons
sick sentinel
hey guys, any super aggressive builds for prot? Im trying to figure something better for +15 carries
modern brook
pins have em
strong forum
4th build in the pins
split eagle
is unbreakable will removed in beta?
strong forum
Explained in pins under FYI's
torn ginkgo
https://www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-calc/demon-hunter/vengeance/DANUkVRRVFKSJFBE...
this tree is... interesting
sick sentinel
i wonder how i got that confused that i thought if you have 200% block chance you get more critical block chance
im sure i've thought it in the past no idea where it come from
cobalt seal
I don't read the guides
I still give you the best build for vdh
median tulip
I wish it did work like that; it would make our Mastery worth so much more
cobalt seal
why are you refusing my help
uneven mason
i wonder how i got that confused that i thought if you have 200% block chance yo...
Because in cataclysm that's how critical block worked
cobalt seal
-.-
sick sentinel
cata was fucking amazing
in some ways
like, i liked the little heal you get for being herbalist, or you get extra stamina if your mining crit for skinning,
uneven mason
It was great, warriors could get so much block and roll it over even in blues
That they had to create the 2 roll combat system
sick sentinel
or i can't give great examples outside of protwarrior, and discpriest, but those specs were incredible in those days
They went a 1 step forwards on cata and 3 steps back with talents, personal loot if that was when it happened.
rapid dagger
is it normal for prots in this new talent system to put out very little dmg?
cinder nova
@strong forum Any mods to parse builds for raid?
I see a bit of experimental juggling of end-spec talents.
sick sentinel
is it normal for prots in this new talent system to put out very little dmg?
i leveld with bleeds and revenge, and it worked out very good for me
uneven mason
is it normal for prots in this new talent system to put out very little dmg?
Depends on the build?
sick sentinel
bleed TC and the revenge talent and a bunch of bleed modifiers and your set
uneven mason
Like if you're running shockwave, maybe
But I guess a better question is relative to what
median tulip
is it normal for prots in this new talent system to put out very little dmg?
We should be amongst the better tanks, if specced correctly. However, bear in mind that Execute was nerfed, so ST and execute-phase damage isn't as good as you may be used to, so if you were playing into that it could be why you're seeing disappointing results
uneven mason
Avatar ravager and shield charge feel really good to press though
Shield charge, meeting us halfway on legion warbringer.
rapid dagger
ive tested the default recommended wowhead build, and the mythic+ pinned here, im literally doing less dmg by about 25% with these new talents then i was before. Not sure what im doing wrong.
urban portal
Post logs
jagged pier
Honestly sounds like a personal problem we dont do less damage now, in terms of other tanks yes but that isnt much to worry about because pre patch and things are wack case in point druid are busted right now but do nothing in df our damage just increases from now to df
south zealot
saw a prot warrior yesterday choose mastery in a 22 key
if youre doing less damage youre playing wrong
could be outbursts
smoky dock
I would agree with @jagged pier warriors pre patch yes are not max dmg probably middle I personally average 30k if not higher on massive pulls 20+ keys
south zealot
could be not revenging and thunderclapping enough in aoe
smoky dock
In DF though with our full tree we will be wild
lone eagle
Yeah, prot warr is super tanky in prepatch but missing some major damage components
jagged pier
no not really
south zealot
only if tou make yourself overly tanky
if youre doing 24s or below you dont even need indomitable
and can be battle stance whole run
lone eagle
I've just been cranking junkyard spam and watching my overall slowly improve
south zealot
if you go full defensive talents you would be too tanky
lone eagle
Was looking at raid stats for tank DPS for the last week and the breakdown is interesting
woven trellis
have you guys liked blood surge
lone eagle
prot warr is at the bottom with Brew right next to it on most fights at the 95th+ percentile, but a large portion of that is Gavel-havers
jagged pier
yes it the reason we have non stop rage in aoe
lone eagle
BDKs and Bears going nuts with Gavel
jagged pier
yes my point about pre patch
lone eagle
Truly going to be missed 🥹
lone eagle
whats the sitch on battering ram
at 70
Is it basically an always take in raid for ST, or is it a questionable point atm
prisma crane
on paper it sounds really good for ST, but im not a sim so i cant say accurately
jagged pier
yer probably gunna play it ST yes
prisma crane
extra SS procs from faster AA is nice though
jagged pier
u play it now in raid or should imo
oblique garnet
woven trellis
about focus vigor vs battle scarred veteran, lets say you go tank something for the first time
battle scarred veteran doesnt sound that bad right
woven trellis
i checked
and the only other option is
violent outburst
i think
which seems great because of free IPs
jagged pier
are u talking now?
modern brook
violent outburst seems great cause of the 200% efficacy on slam/clap
jagged pier
or in DF?
prisma crane
you get VO for the extra dmg and rage, not for the IPs imo
woven trellis
im talking now
jagged pier
because there is no reason to take BSV ever now
prisma crane
though the IP is nice of course
jagged pier
u arent going to die
modern brook
BSV has the exact same usecases as any cheat death trinket we've seen in the last 3 expansions
woven trellis
got back in the game and will do Sanctum of dom for the first time tonight, i want to avoid useless wipes as much as i can
jagged pier
u arent going to die in sanctum
modern brook
you'll take it when the content you're doing requires it and in any other situation is a wasted throughput option
jagged pier
like ever boss as motes
prisma crane
if you play right you wont need it in the first place
prisma crane
if you play "remotely" right
lone eagle
BSV has the problem of getting proc'd when you might survive without it
It'd be better if it was designed more like a true cheat
errant ledge
Anyone having issues with their raidbots sim not allowing them to start due to a talent error? I keep getting this...Error: Actor 'Whodaboss': Player 'Whodaboss' unable to create action: dragon_roar I have tried editing the simc import, reimporting, changing talents etc. It keeps wanting to sim me with dragons roar by default and I cant seem to see where to remove that from the sim?
woven trellis
ye thats a fair point 30% life is kind ahigh
prisma crane
or if you're super undergeared i guess, but even then, atm we're really strong because of end of xpac secondary numbers and the fights in general not tuned high
lone eagle
but there are circumstances it would just proc and you would have IV'd your way back up next GCD anyway
and then its a dead talent point for 3 minutes
jagged pier
Anyone having issues with their raidbots sim not allowing them to start due to a...
change it to thunderous roar
we also dont have sims
so very little point in trying that
prisma crane
BSV is best used for extremely niche cases where you plan to proc it and do some weird shenannigans imo
errant ledge
I know tank sims dont work well, where can I edit the talent to thunderour roar?
prisma crane
otherwise no point atm
lone eagle
It'll be nice for RBGs 😛
woven trellis
no one never pick honed reflex either but with Shield wall legendary, its pretty nice no?
prisma crane
yea that too
errant ledge
I dont see a spot to change the sim option on raidbots like you could back in the day with OG simulationcraft. There is just talents and you cant type in thunderous roar, it is a import string from ur talents in game in numbers
lofty widget
no one never pick honed reflex either but with Shield wall legendary, its pretty...
nope, theres never more than 6 seconds between SS
so the cdr is useless
woven trellis
wdy
errant ledge
Sims are great for gear optimizations from your vault etc, never had an issue till pre patch
lofty widget
you never have to wait a full cd for ss to come back
errant ledge
Rarely do you end up waiting that long for a shield slam
lofty widget
cause of devastator
modern brook
BSV is best used for extremely niche cases where you *plan* to proc it and do so...
bsv will be a common pick for progression content esp during wf race, assuming prot war is in it
errant ledge
If your playing well you get procs
lofty widget
so its a dead talent
woven trellis
well
i tried to be original
i mean creative
but it looks like you guys always know better right
prisma crane
bsv will be a common pick for progression content esp during wf race, assuming p...
only if the fights have situations where it has value
it's useless for one shots
and generally just throughput on tanks isnt an issue in those races
jagged pier
last time it was tested u had to be under 30% already then the next point of damage u take will proc it
modern brook
oh it doesnt bracket?
jagged pier
if u get hit for 31% at 31% it will do nothing
modern brook
nvm its ass
lone eagle
That and if prot warr is dying significantly enough with how relative tank balance is right now
There's a far different issue in play
prisma crane
yea which makes it really hard to be useful on anyhting that doesnt just attack really fast for less, which is already our strongest area anyways
lone eagle
in RWF, that is
south zealot
you never have to wait a full cd for ss to come back
ive had to wait once in all of prepatch
so yeah pretty much a dead talent
prisma crane
it's a pvp talent
south zealot
sure but prot war in pvp is pretty dead
uneven mason
its not better to SS every 5 sec?
Ss will get reset way faster idk when the last time ss reset on it's own
uneven mason
if u get hit for 31% at 31% it will do nothing
I smell a dirty dk dev hand in that.
Can't let us have anything nice
prisma crane
sure but prot war in pvp is pretty dead
it's in the class tree, not spec, plus with stuff like BSV and shield charge we'll be pretty solid in RBGs
just need our SS dispell from WoD back and we're golden
south zealot
it's in the class tree, not spec, plus with stuff like BSV and shield charge we'...
sure but thought we were talking about the prot specific talent
forgot about rbgs too so maybe
prisma crane
yea, i mean generally the 1 sec less DR isnt great, but with less uptime in pvp in general it'll probably be more useful
and you wont have the rage for revenge as much
because unless something major changes, the best way to deal with prot is unfortunately to just attack us instead
fucking nerfs to tank dmg received in pvp cucked us harder than most imo
on that note i wonder if pvp talent warbringer is affected by the shockwave buffs in the class tree
i'd assume not but would be a nice bit of synergy
foggy osprey
G’day gentlemen. I’d like to get your opinion on one specific thing: how do you compare VDH and prot war when it comes to m+ group utility? Having a debate with a friend (beta, not pre-patch)
uneven mason
Vdh can run away faster
mighty valley
VDH brings 5% magic damage, pwarr brings 5% physical attack power
limpid ruin
Ya depends on comp. Outside off that I personally think VDH but it depends on how you value silence versus the better stuns
mellow quartz
Good things are good, bad things are bad.
limpid ruin
Good things are good, bad things are bad.
I agree
strong forum
vdh brings chaos nova, 5% magic dam, silence sigil, maybe fear sigil/chains
pwar brings rally, st ranged stun on 30sec cd, aoe stun, 5 target fear and 5% atk power
pwar can also bring intervene and aoe fear immunity, but those are really niche
crimson furnace
chrome falcon
pwar can also bring intervene and aoe fear immunity, but those are really niche
are there any aoes in the m+ rotation for season 1?
strong forum
ive not encountered a single mechanic yet where zerker rage does anything
chrome falcon
strong forum
but i couldnt test a couple bosses yet
somber sky
ive not encountered a single mechanic yet where zerker rage does anything
Maybe the maiden in lower kara is the only one where it has a "use"
strong forum
im talking DF
limpid ruin
Theres a easily avoidable fear circle in assualt
somber sky
Oh ok
strong forum
but yes, lower kara is a beautiful use of aoe zerker
mighty valley
the aoe part only breaks fear tho
mighty valley
the tooltip sucks then
strong forum
hm
strong forum
ofc
somber sky
Just get a rogue to sap ur party member
somber sky
v easy if you have two opposite faction friends
What is this cryptic text you're saying. What's "friends"?
modern brook
Can u just test on maiden in lower to see if it works on maiden in lower
strong forum
but that requires to test it on maiden in lower
modern brook
🤔 I didn't think about that...
mighty valley
i'm gonna assume the tooltip is correct and therefore blizzard are cowards
uneven mason
If you're going to brick a key...
modern brook
You can literally test it in the default dungeon
severe hatch
Just remote in to your PC from your phone to test. For science.
mellow quartz
ive not encountered a single mechanic yet where zerker rage does anything
S2 with that disease dungeon with all the archers. The big guys cast an aoe fear if not kicked and the first boss zap’s the tank.
The boss legit casts an incap on the tank that makes him disoriented and lose aggro for its duration.
uneven mason
Incaps was the debuff in question
mellow quartz
Melee deaths abundant on that one.
uneven mason
So, incap on the group to be specific
hollow silo
I tested aoe berserker on maiden it doesn't work. Only on fear as advertised
weak snow
what cov does prot play in m+ in prepatch?
ornate thunder
Anyone have an annoying fun solo shuffle build for prot?
mellow quartz
what cov does prot play in m+ in prepatch?
Necro
uneven mason
what cov does prot play in m+ in prepatch?
Are you doing astronomically high keys, Necro.
. otherwise meh
orchid mural
ive not encountered a single mechanic yet where zerker rage does anything
even the solo use of berserker?
strong forum
yes
fading quiver
Is the Salvaged Mechacycle Shielding better than other shields because of its proc? like a 298 version of that better than a 304 normal shield?
strong forum
No it's not better than equal ilvl shields
The effect only procs once per minute
Making it effectively useless
fading quiver
aww
keen loom
Does Show of Force conduit stack with the talent?
balmy canyon
Blizz doesn't want us to have fun so no stacking abilities
glacial totem
Im new to Prot, are we meant to stance dance in DL between Def and Battle stance?
prisma crane
not in the traditional sense from back in vanilla
glacial totem
So in what sense then? 😛
prisma crane
maaaaybe when min-maxing in a raid you might go battle when OT and def when tanking
glacial totem
Ah I see
prisma crane
but generally you'll be in battle 90% of the time you're not doing something that you have a solid chance of dying
for example, right now in pre-patch there's effectively no reason to be in D stance
urban portal
Just remember that in m+, if sitting in d stance allows you to pull bigger
It’s a dps up over b stance and pulling smaller
prisma crane
^ that would basically be the only exception since keys can still scale groups into submission
prisma crane
Ah I see
fwiw, i would probably just sit in defense stance until you get your bearings on the class, once you feel like you're taking very little damage and feel comfortable you can go into battle stance and then just go by comfort
min-maxers will always min-max but for now you should focus on how you feel most comfortable playing
oblique garnet
Just remember that in m+, if sitting in d stance allows you to pull bigger
You dont really need to be in dstance to pull bigger in prepatch
You can quite literally pull everything on first part of gambit and never go dstance
urban portal
Yeah that’s why I say “if”
urban portal
Isn’t blessing supposed to be Polly’s damage
oblique garnet
lusty grotto
anyone have this issue where their mouse has a quest item and you cant turn in quests or whatever?
cause it tries to use the item
it was working fine yesterday
grave wedge
anodized deflectors are garbo right? can you bring it to Zm and have it made into something with stats?
these are them lol didnt do much this week so its them or a token thingy
lusty grotto
they are but if its higher ilvl than what you have, take them
also jesus christ move the quest log
sick sentinel
hello, coming from brm where we kinda want to have every spell on the bar and after reading the wowhead guide, am i right in thinking that i can just remove whirlwind and rend from my bars?
lusty grotto
grave wedge
they are but if its higher ilvl than what you have, take them
i have unity in my bracers slot atm. could slide it to cape for a sizeable ilvl boost,. but id probably only do so if i can Do that zm stat trick and get secondaries.
lusty grotto
what zm stat trick
grave wedge
puting gear into the tier maker thing it to change it stats
glacial totem
The thing called ”Blood and Thunder” that makes TC apply rend on all targets hit - I can’t seem to find it if its a talent, a passive etc? Sry for the dumb question but as I said, new to prot warr 🙈
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
puting gear into the tier maker thing it to change it stats
huh
mortal brook
yknow. the creation catalyst secret hax
lusty grotto
lmao
grave wedge
could not for the life of me remeber the name lol
lusty grotto
yeah i think you can put it up on the CC
i mean you dont have a choice
its either that or sockets
grave wedge
yeah lol at this point ima roll with curiosty now
glacial totem
<:pins:353613639380369418>
I dont understand if its a ability, a passive, a talent etc
lusty grotto
talent
glacial totem
Thx
lusty grotto
grave wedge
welcome to the best class in the game btw
oak echo
The thing called ”Blood and Thunder” that makes TC apply rend on all targets hit...
Fwiw the search bar in talents has answered a lot of questions like this for me on classes im not as familiar with. Highlights all talents that contain what you search for.
lusty grotto
indeed
if you type an ability you can find all talents that modify it
and/or you can search talents themselves
grave wedge
became this was well worth it
glacial totem
welcome to the best class in the game btw
Thx lol - I really hope we wont be nerfed
grave wedge
im sure we will but we can be the worst and im still gonna tell you were the best
deep spruce
became this was well worth it
U can remove the dragon art from action bars btw
lusty grotto
i'd be more concerned about his questlog being on top of the right bars
totally movable to the left a bit using edit mode
grave wedge
U can remove the dragon art from action bars btw
havent played much with the new ui lol
grave wedge
i'd be more concerned about his questlog being on top of the right bars
i hardly ever quest i dont think ive looked at that in forever actually i was supposed to turn in reinforcing revendreth months ago lol
so tell me more on how to make the dragon go the hell away
lusty grotto
i mean, its better to have it not be on top in case you have to use a quest item
grave wedge
i feel like im missing an entire flyout or somthing with edit mode
lusty grotto
just drag the log to the left a bit
grave wedge
and yeah your right thats allways been an issue moving it to the left a bit
grave wedge
ty been spending way more time on classis the past few weeks haha
oak echo
yeah lol at this point ima roll with curiosty now
Also just read this back and not sure if you knew but the stats on all the catalyst gear is fixed and can be looked up ahead of picking something you're thinking of converting ahead of time. Sounds like you made the right call but didn't need to roll the dice on it 😛
grave wedge
Also just read this back and not sure if you knew but the stats on all the catal...
nice dude. i figured it was fixed. but i didnt know if anyone ever got around to compiling that data.
minor agate
yo quick question what stance do y'all tank in for the most part?
cobalt grove
The profession windows need to be smaller, I can't stand having a huge window take up all my screen.
Battle if I'm not getting popped hard
Defensive when I'm getting hit for chunks of health at a time
Battle stance too if I'm not actively tanking
mellow quartz
yo quick question what stance do y'all tank in for the most part?
Battle stance unless you do content where you are in danger of dying and need dstance.
sturdy sable
yo quick question what stance do y'all tank in for the most part?
Ive yet to need to enter d stance in m raids or keys
mellow quartz
Ive yet to need to enter d stance in m raids or keys
That statement doesn’t really say anything lol.
You could be raiding LFR and do +10 keys 🙂
mellow quartz
Does anyone take damage in raid at this point?
sturdy sable
Brewmasters
mellow quartz
Sad times
real thunder
Sims question, everytime i run a "Top Gear" sim where i simply select the different saved talent trees, i get the following error "unable to create action: dragon_roar" what am i doing wrong?
knotty venture
Nothing, simc hasn't been updated to support prot warrior yet
magic bolt
I'm gonna guess it has something to do with dragon roar 😂
real thunder
@knotty venture thx
harsh hull
having an issue w/ my intervene macros not working. They were fine before this week. Is there an issue with them now?
harsh hull
ugh, macro was colored in, but the talent wasnt chosen, jesus, i hate this lol.
minor agate
Battle stance unless you do content where you are in danger of dying and need ds...
thx
minor agate
Ive yet to need to enter d stance in m raids or keys
thx
maiden cargo
Would it not be better to use defensive stance and do bigger pulls?
Also in a raid defensive stance surely as your 10% less damage will be negligible to the overall raid damage.
cobalt seal
Would it not be better to use defensive stance and do bigger pulls?
why would you need dstance to do those pulls?
balmy canyon
If you do more damage the pull dies faster so you take less damage
cobalt grove
If I take like 25% hp from a white hit after mitigation, dstance is going on
But that's so very rare
blissful ermine
hello good sirs and ladies! could I ask a question about simming on raidbots?
stable valve
have any of y'all tested a 10+ shadowmoon burial ground on beta>
cobalt grove
But shield wall has such a low CD now, then all the other mitigation and recovery abilities, dstance almost feels like overkill in most situations
maiden cargo
Prob depends on what key level you are doing and how confident you are. At some point I'd imagine you turn it on. Dunno what key level that would be.
Like a +25-30 fortified week. I imagine you will use d.stance
cobalt seal
Prob depends on what key level you are doing and how confident you are. At some ...
no it doesn't
maiden cargo
The dps cost is like 2-3% of party damage if you have 3 decent dps.
cobalt seal
and?
maiden cargo
...and your healer isn't doing as much damage because they are spam healing a paper tank? 😂
mellow quartz
there is no such thing as 'just do def stance to do big pulls' its all going to be specific
can you barely live 2 groups but you can combine 3rd if you do dstance? then sure
cobalt seal
...and your healer isn't doing as much damage because they are spam healing a pa...
paper tank?
mellow quartz
but afterwards you will probably go back to bstance
cobalt seal
aren't you pressing buttons?
solemn current
...and your healer isn't doing as much damage because they are spam healing a pa...
It took being dotted up with bleeds, asleep in sanguine puddles with no dispel while shield block fell off and in battle stance to die and I'm not even currently taking Indomitable because I have 20% leech and still can't press IV as much as I'd like. Still getting healed no more than the dps. If you're paper tanking that's a you problem.
summer eagle
Ignore crom
Dudes just a bit of a dick
You can use dstance if you feel you need it, but generally with proper cd usage you should be fine without it
cobalt seal
You can use dstance if you feel you need it, but generally with proper cd usage ...
the problem isn't he using when he feels, he is saying like he is gonna stay in dstance because it's a high key
cobalt seal
we all love feels
radiant magnet
Treat Dstance like training wheels. With proper play, you should outgrow it.
If you're not there yet, keep it.
summer eagle
^
cobalt seal
Treat Dstance like training wheels. With proper play, you should outgrow it.
wouldn't it be better to start with battle instead and go from there, and just learn where you need dstance
you likely better dying in one pull, and knowing for next time, I need something more
chrome falcon
Hence: if you feel you need it
human beings well known for always been correct in their feelings about things as complicated as math
astral crystal
did they make outburst trigger at 7 stacks?
buff's transforming at 7 for some reason
solemn current
Thunderclap does. Bug came back.
astral crystal
no i mean it's becoming the outburst buff
solemn current
not for me it ain't. Just consuming at 7 with TC
astral crystal
hm
cinder nova
Nothing like watching your BDK out-DPS you because gavel is 33% of all their damage 🙃
mighty valley
just a pre-loaded nerf for DF
bleak solar
Does the recent tuning post change anything? Me confused
grave crane
yeah prot in shambles were F tier now
bleak solar
Rip
solemn current
I don't even see any prot tuning? Am I missing something?
mighty valley
i'm pretty excited to start playing with this new spell called "revenge"
bleak solar
It looks like it’s just descriptors without any changes?
mighty valley
these datamined wowhead posts can be pretty misleading, might just be picking up some data shuffling
mellow quartz
not for me it ain't. Just consuming at 7 with TC
read pins, its a known bug in prepatch
solemn current
read pins, its a known bug in prepatch
I know im answering his question
cerulean wyvern
Prior to today’s update, prot couldn’t spam execute like arms?
cerulean wyvern
Oh ok. Wasn’t sure after reading todays updates…
mellow quartz
think its just behind the scene stuff to fix the bug
oak echo
ya that's how it reads
mellow quartz
they might have buffed it so it also gives 20% rage back now
since its a spec thing, not a talent so they made execute refund 20% of rage default for prot
mighty valley
ok here's our real list. just bug fixes
mellow quartz
wait the 20% rage back was already a thing wasnt it?
sand pebble
and the other changes on wowhead for ip/challenging shout/revenge/last stand and tc are just level req removals
sand pebble
they removed rage back from being prot and added it to imp execute
mellow quartz
I wonder if you can now get all those abilities as level 1 as a warrior
since it looks like they removed the level requirement on them
sand pebble
you dont have talent points ot get them
mellow quartz
dont need a talent point for revenge
well I guess you do
but like 2 lol
do you get talents at 1 or 10 now?
haven't tried to level as a warrior from 1 in god knows how long
sand pebble
ima find out
mighty valley
10
warm plinth
You get them at 10
mighty valley
you don't spec til 10
warm plinth
^
sand pebble
you get 10 points at level 10 though right?
mighty valley
you're just a weird fake prot warrior til then
mighty valley
some specs get a free point, we get both stances free for some reason
warm plinth
Every spec gets at least one I believe (in the class tree)
but yeah you get a class point at 10 and then every other even level. and a spec point at 11 and every other odd level
sand pebble
i wish all 3 specs got their stances for free - my fury build doesnt take def stance and i cant grab rally without it
warm plinth
Rally? Pfft, who cares about their group smh
sand pebble
my guild/raid leader
mighty valley
you have to try kind of hard to avoid taking dstance/rally as fury
mellow quartz
Getting IV early is great for leveling I guess.
sand pebble
its ok cause he prot pally so ill expect blessing of summers from him in return
warm plinth
Getting IV early is great for leveling I guess.
Yeah, moreso for fury/arms though. I'm pretty sure I've dropped below 90% once while leveling my prot war this week 😂
and I pull entire camps of shit
sand pebble
iv is a no brainer - it does more damage than the other utility options while being utility
mighty valley
impending is actually a bigger deal at max level, victory rush does the job while leveling
warm plinth
Yeah I do wish it glowed when it reset from kills though
Not a huge deal but just personal preference
sand pebble
it does..
lone eagle
Just double checking
mighty valley
i'm sure in 90% of raid fights dstance/rally has a billion more value than, what, zerk rage? piercing howl?
lone eagle
Seismic was nerfed as a talent
The lego currently shows 75%; I assume that was also nerfed and is a tooltip bug
correct?
warm plinth
Yeah in raids theyr'e both pretty niche
lone eagle
or is seismic lego just > talent now
warm plinth
I don't think any legos were nerfed? I could be wrong
mighty valley
leggo is better than talent
lone eagle
kk
mighty valley
but talent overrides so don't accidentally double up
patent gorge
So this is false then?
patent gorge
Dont worry as did I at first lol
warm plinth
I feel like Nick just baited us man
sand pebble
when it resets
my apologies on the wrong info regarding iv glow - it doesnt glow but i get a message
mellow quartz
I forget, was the 7 stack TC seeing red bug only a live thing or was it also in the last beta build?
cobalt grove
That was a beta bug that lasted for several builds
mellow quartz
it's fixed on beta I just don't recall if it was fixed previously or just now
cobalt grove
It has been working on live afaik since prepatch
sand drum
my guild/raid leader
im only warr in my raid and for a while ive been only one so :c guess I can force my dps to take rally now 😈 they lose dps -> I gain ;>
mellow quartz
It has been working on live afaik since prepatch
no its bugged on live
sand pebble
im only warr in my raid and for a while ive been only one so :c guess I can forc...
im planting seeds
mellow quartz
one of those stupid things where it was bugged on beta for a while and then fixed, but still bugged on live
cobalt grove
At least on live I can better track my stacks of seeing red
sand drum
im planting seeds
hahahah :> 👍 more dps for you and then you ask for PI in execute window (35%) :>
mellow quartz
At least on live I can better track my stacks of seeing red
how so?
cobalt grove
Weak auras, mine didn't want to work on beta
mellow quartz
just get a new one from wago then, most things work
cobalt grove
What I mean is that on live I have access to it
But for like forever weak auras didn't want to play well with beta
So I didn't bother with it
mellow quartz
hmm WA's worked inside a week of beta going live lol
cobalt grove
I played pretty bare bones on the beta in terms of add ons
sand drum
Prob depends on what key level you are doing and how confident you are. At some ...
about this ^
did 24 Dox today and forgot to swap from Bstance :>
worked fine imo :>
limpid pawn
is it possible to use blizzard balance for a subscription?
(not a token but the actual subscription)
chrome falcon
if you're wondering about the new 12 month package thing
liquid max says it works
but i can't say from experience that it does
limpid pawn
lol really? link?
frank hemlock
https://i.imgur.com/wbqqI2Y.png what would you buy with last dinar?
(i have a mythic upgrade thingy)
radiant magnet
a new tmog
cobalt seal
He isnt saying that
cobalt seal
Buy a weapon/shield you like
frank hemlock
there are upgrades i guess, and idc for this exp mogs
dont like any of them tbh, and got most of them on non-fated mythic
sand pebble
who said the mechagon shield had a 1 min proc?
cobalt seal
Nome
short nexus
is fueled by violence worth it or is Brutal Vitality just better overall for m+
sand pebble
depends - fbv only actually heals you if you are below 100% so if you are sitting on high hp you dont get any value from it but in saying that with the amount of rage into ip we are at cap anyway
i dropped indom and using fbv and took shield charge instead
mellow quartz
BV is also bugged atm
Once you reach IP cap it no longer adds to it until IP drops and put up again.
sand pebble
i cant remember who said mecha shield has a 1ppm but it looks alot higher to be - i keep it on because avoidence and no better option
sand pebble
1ppm including out of combat time maybe
strong forum
That's how ppm works yes
You have periods of up to 3min without a proc
And then some where it procs twice a minute
chrome falcon
^ it doesn't proc then go on CD for 1 minute then proc again
otherwise there'd be weakauras to tell you exactly when it procs
but if you have an hour of combat you're gonna have 60 procs
sand drum
Nom, Matta
what do you think about Shield Charge and how to use it properly ?
finding it bit "meh"
cobalt seal
Just use cds on cd
strong forum
Just a button that does damage, generates rage and later grants SB
cobalt seal
That ez
strong forum
ocean bloom
i think at level 70 we go both lol
sand drum
thx :> might seem like dumb question but better ask then sit here and wonder
sudden palm
You don't pick battering ram outside of raid
Oh Nom; BR is actually good for raid?
Does it come to play defensive-wise as well?
strong forum
No, for raid you always send full dmg
mellow quartz
Nome, you recall if seeing red had the 7 stack bug on beta as well or if it was only a live thing.
strong forum
That was fixed on beta 2 weeks ago