if you're open to being picked apart you can post the log here, everyone will in fact respect you more
#protection
mighty valley
onyx vessel
Solid no complaints
torn ginkgo
thats no fun
urban portal
my main complaint is the wrists
strong forum
TC usage is too low
urban portal
take something with ilvl
torn ginkgo
my main complaint is the wrists
my only other wrists are 226 ilvl 😄
urban portal
yeah thats true
lone eagle
Brew base armor is ~25% or so right now
lone eagle
Prot Warr is like, 70
crimson furnace
not having TC as nr1, we live in a failed society!!
lone eagle
Anyone have a good Sudden Death tracker
Trying to find a WA that just tracks Sudden Death and nothing else
I have WAs for everything else
strong forum
yeah with your talent setup you should be extremely close to 100% SB uptime
79 is on the low end
had only 88% blocked hits
should be as close to 100% as possible with your HR + ED talent setup
torn ginkgo
its impossible to have 100% shield block in logs, doesnt it include non combat time?
strong forum
it does include non-combat time
but should still be north of 90%, hence why you look at blocked hits
and 88% aint 100%
torn ginkgo
sure
uneven mason
its impossible to have 100% shield block in logs, doesnt it include non combat t...
"blocked hits" != "Sb uptime"
strong forum
nowadays, kinda
torn ginkgo
where is "blocked hits" in logs?
uneven mason
Sb uptime should more or less correlate with combat time
strong forum
uneven mason
But blocked hits is the metric we care about
torn ginkgo
ah
strong forum
nowadays you can have easily 100% block uptime when you play heavy repercussions
thats why its now relatively indicative of blocked hits
uneven mason
Because you have dudebros with 100% sb uptime getting slapped on the ass like they're coaches favorite
torn ginkgo
IP usage is too low
IP was almost same uptime as yours, i just assumed I dump rage with revenge rather than overcapping IP?
muted spoke
do we thunderclap in ST for rend damage?
strong forum
do we thunderclap in ST for rend damage?
absolutely!
muted spoke
nice, ty
strong forum
why would you not clap, you dont have the rage to forego TC usage in ST
which sounds to me like youre maybe using slam
dont use slam
torn ginkgo
you just send IP
oh IP is not on global right? so I can use more rage by using IP + Revenge?
strong forum
ofc
torn ginkgo
forgot about that
muted spoke
I didn't played any keys after prepatch, starting now ^^
strong forum
st prio is still SS >TC > rev
torn ginkgo
banner uptime I dont mind, given 1st boss sucks and the amount of RP. still have issues on ST but rarely capping rage on ST so think my haste could help
uneven mason
I'll have to try banner at some point just to say I did
Leveling too many alts to go back to the main
zealous willow
Guys how prot warr feels atm ? I plan to play tank in mythic raiding. I saw that in m+ warr is good atm , any predictions for mythic raids?
lone eagle
When it comes back up, you get to actually time it with group CDs
uneven mason
I had wished that maldraxxus had been the warrior covenant of choice back in 9.0
uneven mason
Guys how prot warr feels atm ? I plan to play tank in mythic raiding. I saw that...
Just play bdk
They never nerf bdk
zealous willow
I cant no spot for dk
lone eagle
@zealous willow with current tuning, raid meta will probably be VDH + Pwar, with Brew also showing up due to their high damage
sick sentinel
paladin has a billion interupts
lone eagle
Depends a bit on raid buffs
zealous willow
I was suggested to play prot war from my guild
lone eagle
Windwalker is doing exceptional damage atm and MW is also very good
prisma crane
I was suggested to play prot war from my guild
its still too soon to know this fully
lone eagle
so that means that Brew has less of a spot
uneven mason
paladin has a billion interupts
Ehhhh avengershield is less reliable now
lone eagle
Realistically prot warrior is a pretty safe bet, but depends somewhat on your cotank
azure ivy
I mean In an 18 junk I did 25k, my numbers were close but more like around 280-320 mark, 500 shield slams is insane haha
zealous willow
How is m+ ?
lone eagle
raid tank meta has a fair bit to do with DPS composition and covering raid buffs
M+ meta is looking like VDH or Prot Warrior barring any major changes
both have + and - to them
strong forum
Was this in a key? Ez carpal tunnel achievement
pwar has been like this pretty much all expansion
zealous willow
Any1 of u tested DF prot warr is it fun ?
uneven mason
Realistically unless you're in a guild gunning for top 100 it's not going to matter
zealous willow
since banner uptime game is gone
azure ivy
pwar has been like this pretty much all expansion
I’ve only been playing it for a few months now, but definitely feeling it now with all the rage we have.
uneven mason
Any1 of u tested DF prot warr is it fun ?
It's always been fun, what you're asking is it meta, and currently yeah, probably
Give it a go, only takes like 14hours to hit 60 and start gearing
lone eagle
Although the 7clap TCLAP consume bug is the bane of my existence in terms of mental anguish
that'll be gone in DF though
zealous willow
Vulpera or highmountain ?
lone eagle
🤷 I'd say HMT
stoic smelt
vulp have the most boopable snoot
uneven mason
Orc
lone eagle
Highmountain Bull Rush is really nice to have in a lot of situations
uneven mason
Vulp racial is pretty strong in m+
lone eagle
good as an AoE pseudo interrupt and a non-targeted mobility ability
hollow sun
Vulpera or highmountain ?
HM, has the best vibe to it
uneven mason
But literally the only racial that matters is dwarf, and your on horde so...
hollow sun
vulpera animations sucks
strong forum
i personally think its the exact opposite
vulp animations are good
and tauren is among the most ugly
lusty grotto
lol nome
lone eagle
Biggest problem with playing small races as a tank
uneven mason
Vulp has less armor clipping
lone eagle
is that people are blind of tank positioning if you aren't yuge
severe hatch
The only real warrior race is Orc change my mind
hollow sun
personal preference, the tauren execute is the best one
strong forum
i couldnt last 1 month playing tauren in legion
lone eagle
I'm Draenai gang personally if I didn't want to be easy and just be Horde for guild achieves
uneven mason
Tauren you tend to get in your own way I've found
lone eagle
male Draenei are BiS
uneven mason
Like literally the body blocks so much shit
hollow sun
I'm Draenai gang personally if I didn't want to be easy and just be Horde for gu...
Draenei male 
azure ivy
I’m a dwarf, my dam black rock bulwark is bigger than me haha
hollow sun
the goofiest combo of them all
azure ivy
Can’t even wear my tusks and a big shield without it lookin dumb
lusty grotto
smh my head
hollow sun
lone eagle
They look pretty good in plate too
lusty grotto
lmao i cant stop laughing at the draenei shill
strong forum
this set own
i started playing palading cuz of the TBC reveal trailer
with the badass fucking meraad i think it was
lone eagle
Ye
astral crystal
That set is good but imagine how much better it’d look on any other race
strong forum
him with hammer of the naaru looking all badass n shit
sick sentinel
anybody noticed the aoe on shield charge looks to be around where you started charging instead of where you landed
lone eagle
Zandalari look really good but have some janky animations for warriors I feel like
strong forum
im already ultra bored of the DF sets
cuz you get it on beta
so everybody runs around with it
ultra bored of it
strong forum
ive not looked at a lot of logs to see how it should look like
lofty widget
i am
strong forum
depending on key its higher ofc
jagged pier
strong forum
like workshop/upper
overall cpm looks a bit low
and TC should be higher
are you playing SoF?
oblique garnet
thats my overall
This is mine
strong forum
thats my dmg breakdown
if i went more ham on aoe padding TC would be higher ofc
but gotta kill that prio target ykno
oblique garnet
lofty widget
is that with seismic?
strong forum
doesnt change with either, both talent and legendary do 30% now
severe hatch
doesnt change with either, both talent and legendary do 30% now
Oh shit
strong forum
i dont like that monk set in general
lone eagle
The right mog gives you that protoss vibe
strong forum
so im not gonna offer an opinion
i dont like almost any monk set to be fair
lack of spikes
uneven mason
Best announcement for DF level 70 gets a massive buff to damage in legion raids
strong forum
🤘
lone eagle
we got the BRF shoulders/gloves/waist, boots from ToV, cata leveling chest and helm
strong forum
Best announcement for DF level 70 gets a massive buff to damage in legion raids
ive not had issues soloing any legion raid yet?
uneven mason
Farming for the scythes may resume
uneven mason
Yeah you can Solo them but they take forever
strong forum
ya ok i think ive not been in antorus yet
lone eagle
NH is relatively fast as is Tomb
steep condor
i really wanna farm the set from ToS mythic. Is it soloable?
uneven mason
And Aggramar is nearly unkillable in mythic iirc I haven't tried it in a long time
strong forum
should be very soloable
but KJ bugs the fuck out for me
the shadow phase just didnt end
lone eagle
Yes but it requires some skill on M KJ
strong forum
even after killing all adds
languid yoke
@sweet summit is there another Oi in here?
hollow sun
i really wanna farm the set from ToS mythic. Is it soloable?
most bosses yes, but overall i would just wait DF
cobalt seal
Antorus isn't slow lol
stray sonnet
how does prot warrior look for DF so far? i haven't played prot warrior since BFA nylaotha
but im thinking of doing it as an alt
hollow sun
good as always
lusty grotto
next question
uneven mason
Looks good as always
lusty grotto
you're welcome
lone eagle
the Legion timewalking mage tower is the same set as M Tomb, just a recolor btw
@steep condor
stray sonnet
ok let me be more specific, is it as good as the other tanks?
uneven mason
Warriors bis for looks
stray sonnet
because no one wanted prot warriros in shadowlands
lusty grotto
idk i didnt have any problems
uneven mason
because no one wanted prot warriros in shadowlands
Checks world first CN kill
stray sonnet
<@235569646965620736> prot warr is a frontrunner for DF season 1
cool
uneven mason
Wat
strong forum
pwar was the 2nd best tank since s3
currently its viewed as the best tank going forward
lusty grotto
fotm rerollers man
stray sonnet
for m+ shadowlands they were wanted? i mostly saw a lot of DKers
strong forum
"wanted"
hollow sun
fotm rerollers man
strong forum
no, but still the 2nd strongest
lusty grotto
strong forum
its just that BDK was 30-40% ahead of everyone
lone eagle
The S4 title cutoff was IIRC something around (when I checked a few days beforehand)
uneven mason
because no one wanted prot warriros in shadowlands
We'll be nerfed before release just stick with BDK
strong forum
3118 for EU
uneven mason
They never nerf bdk
strong forum
3084 for NA
lusty grotto
We'll be nerfed before release just stick with BDK
lone eagle
310 BDKs, 15 prot warriors, 13 prot paladins, 1 bear, 9 VDH, and like 9 monks
something like that
so prot warr 2nd best
but there were 7.5 BDKs for every other tank combined
lone eagle
I just counted each one that was above cutoff a few days before
strong forum
BDK was oppressive since their hotfix during mythic week
lone eagle
Probably changed a little bit
strong forum
and nothing was ever done about it
hollow sun
seems like S1 but BDK instead DH
strong forum
its fine bro just be OP for 10 months
lone eagle
BDK was way stronger than season 1 DH ever was
lone eagle
Partially was bugged, partially could run away
severe hatch
Couldn't call any tank strong S1
lone eagle
and yeah Bear was better
hollow sun
i mean as played tanks
lone eagle
people didn't figure out bear was better until the end of season 1
uneven mason
It was fast with burst damage at 40 yards
strong forum
well we knew bear was better
hollow sun
Couldn't call any tank strong S1
true
strong forum
its just the streamers didnt until TGP
everybody sucked off VDH, Cardboard asassins and trees
hollow sun
Just thinking about my first fortified dos gives me PTSD
lusty grotto
lmaooooo cardboard asassins
uneven mason
people didn't figure out bear was better until the end of season 1
We knew, but s1 vdh wasn't even tanking it was a buffbitch that could kite 100s of mobs
lusty grotto
fact!
strong forum
and once assassins got nerfed
everybody was like "shit vdh cant do anything anymore"
so bear got unzipped in tgp
strong forum
yes
hollow sun
i still find it hilarious that an enji item was more tanky than an actually tank
uneven mason
I remember trying to bring in a vdh as my second tank and then we hit heroic sludgefist
strong forum
pwar was amazing on sludge
strong forum
you intervened your VDH cotank cuz he was too weak and just popped shieldwall and you tanked both hits
like its nothing
lusty grotto
for real
lone eagle
As Brew I just solo tanked M Sludge
for large portions of the fight
Had to get that Niuzao cheese
Whenever Niuzao was up, I told my cotank to walk 10 yards away
let me eat the double hits
uneven mason
you intervened your VDH cotank cuz he was too weak and just popped shieldwall an...
I ended up mostly solo tanking hsludge in those early pulls
lone eagle
helped beat the enrage timer when half our DPS sucked
I had a super scuffed pull on the kill pull where I fatfingered my Nizzy early and fucked up my burst window massively but got rank 4 :/
strong forum
my groups issue was just healer CD allocation
and people just dying
dps check was easily met if nobody died
lone eagle
We spent like, 150 pulls on Sludge
uneven mason
Yeah lots of people just getting dead to stupid
strong forum
yah same
lone eagle
inerva and sludge were the bane of my guild tbh
strong forum
after 100 pulls i changed all healer CDs
strong forum
lucky you
lone eagle
spent like 4 or 5 raid nights on inerva
they spent 3 weeks on council without me because my mom was in a coma
but they killed it
strong forum
inerva we did in 38 pulls, but artificer was 108ish
in the end we did speed strat for artificer
uneven mason
inerva we did in 38 pulls, but artificer was 108ish
This is the difference between coordination and brute force
uneven mason
Right
uneven mason
Since innerva was a hell of a DPS check
uneven mason
But artificer was coordinating all that crap at once
uneven mason
It seems like more than it is
Traps ez
Traps were counter able by so many classes
steep condor
first boss of kara upper - other than tank the boss and try to cleave the lil adds is there anything else i should be doing? Apart from moving the boss out of blue muck that is.
lone eagle
Tank in the middle
DPS and heals stand on either side
If you try and tank on one of the sides, can be easy to get trolled trying to get the blue sparks on you
severe hatch
I would prio target the adds, rather than cleave
lone eagle
Taunt the blue sparks when they spawn
steep condor
ok. i asked them to stack so we could cleave the mobs but they stood in all different places.
lone eagle
and prio nuking them
severe hatch
Note my highest key is only 22 so YMMV
visual wedge
Is there any real reason to leave dstance in keys outside of DPS? Like am I stupid for thinking its worthless to swap stances when that 20% reduced damage is to big to ever really need to swap out
steep condor
but being number 2 on the dmg meter prob was the issue given im a tank
lone eagle
Dstance only valuable if you need the DR
sweet summit
<@165864577760755712> is there another Oi in here?
idk
lone eagle
Right now prot is so ludicrously tanky that its not necessary in prepatch
strong forum
Is there any real reason to leave dstance in keys outside of DPS? Like am I stup...
you sit in bstance to get the +13% dmg increase, until you feel like you need the DR from Dstance
both are off-gcd
so you can swap based on situation
and you should do so
lone eagle
If you're pushing difficult keys, I recommend being in battle stance during your big nukes and swapping to d-stance for targeted nukes on you (Vampiric Strike from Dreadlords for example
visual wedge
good to mow
lone eagle
D stance also decent to sit in when rounding up packs
strong forum
stance dancing is going to be the real min-maxing for pwar now
lone eagle
then swap to battle stance once you're ready to stance and deliver
outer thorn
are any abilities even stance locked anymore?
strong forum
no
lone eagle
No, it's just modifiers
strong forum
that system is antiquated for a while
lone eagle
Prot technically has an extra talent point though
since we don't have to spend a point on battle stance which is nice
strong forum
well
lone eagle
dps warrs have to spend a point on d-stance if they want it
strong forum
its not really an extra point, for dps warriors its easier to just path down
we have to spend 1 extra point to path down
so nobody gains anything really
lone eagle
fair enough
strong forum
dps warris get an on demand 20% DR and we get some utility or weak throughput ability
lone eagle
I'm honestly excited partially because I think prot will be meta for flag carrying in RBGs
uneven mason
dps warris get an on demand 20% DR and we get some utility or weak throughput ab...
Soloing bfa raid bosses as fury, thanks defensive stance
lone eagle
Having been a Brew player, its been a looooong time since we've been a good FC comparatively
Gonna be nice to centralize all my ranked gameplay on 1 toon rather than having a M+ tank, an RBG tank and a raid tank
lusty grotto
true no more bear leggo
cobalt seal
is still monka
lusty grotto
i had completely forgotten about it
cobalt seal
they can't sneak like bear
lone eagle
They get it as a talent that they have to invest a lot in to get
cobalt seal
they are slower than vdh
lusty grotto
i see
lone eagle
and its a 1.5m CD 10s duration
lusty grotto
idk about slower
cobalt seal
gl charging into middle of the enemy team
lusty grotto
leap, 2 charges if stars align, intervene, dragon charge, shield charge
cobalt seal
when VDH is jumping every 8s
lone eagle
IDK, I feel like ranged deep wounds application in an AoE with Titanic Throw might actually lead to a sizeable amount of rage gen for a while defensively
but yeah VDH mobility is higher
to just spam out IPs while being chased
lusty grotto
can probably slam a point in B-SV to make up for the fact that we dont have trinket-less cheat
tired wasp
<-- MS Pally, not carrying flags. 😄 😄 😄
lone eagle
Dragon Charge, Intervene, 2 charges, and Heroic Leap w/ bonus movespeed though is a non negligible amount of movement
Even if you have to charge enemies :/
lusty grotto
and shield charge if people are not positioned correctly
lone eagle
and Shield Charge, yeah
uneven mason
Even if you have to charge enemies :/
This is the best way
lone eagle
tbh just run for the teamfight, charge in, charge again, shield charge to someone out of position
dragon charge out and then heroic leap even further
lone eagle
Spell Block also nice to have
olive steeple
how good is punish
urban portal
its pretty decent
uneven mason
and get cc mid way
Avatar my friend
lusty grotto
you'd have to burn a trinket off of that
but still there's so much cc reduction on talents
urban portal
execute got nerfed while shield slam is as strong as ever
punish is exclusively st tho
lusty grotto
ah yes avatar covers nova
olive steeple
im thinking about trading punish and bolster for disrupting shout and thunderlord
in the "no leggo" build
uneven mason
My favorite is when you charge a mage, and they blink in the direction you were going
Like express service
olive steeple
and then take booming voice down low
urban portal
you mainly just want thunderlord for aoe
lone eagle
I'm honestly so excited to be pressing Shield Charge in general
cobalt seal
Dragon Charge, Intervene, 2 charges, and Heroic Leap w/ bonus movespeed though i...
8s Leap (or trample for cc immunity charge), VR on 25s, Hunt, Felblade 15s
cobalt seal
you might have some
strong forum
vdh doesnt get movspeed from mastery or?
cobalt seal
that's also a bit
urban portal
only havoc does yea
lone eagle
VDH didn't prior to DF
strong forum
ah
lone eagle
Its a pretty early talent they basically get forced to take
to get to Chaos Nova
VDH gotta go fast
uneven mason
Hahaha triple down in the Sir Robin tank
lusty grotto
welp looks like vdh alt is getting some action
lone eagle
Yeah, maybe I will VDH for RBGs then 😛
uneven mason
Bravely ran away away bravely ran away
lusty grotto
and here i was planning on just making vdh the leatherworking whore
prisma crane
Dragon Charge, Intervene, 2 charges, and Heroic Leap w/ bonus movespeed though i...
leap lego and night fae was a ton of fun in SL for FC
uneven mason
"We determined that the amount of steps ran vs amount of time actually spent tanking meant that the vdh mastery needed to be modified"
sweet summit
np
sage gulch
whats the best prot trinket for dmg right now?
sage gulch
got 2 dinars 😉
strong forum
If you're willing to bite the bullet and buy cache
Cache is massively broken, but idk if it works on prot warri
sage gulch
ye im using it on my main (brew) its insane
strong forum
Cuz it didn't work on over half of vdh abilities
sage gulch
hm
sage gulch
okey, thank you!
edgy bone
What's everyones take on Seismic Reverberations legendary
huge dps upgrade and better than The Wall?
uneven mason
They're both good but why not both
strong forum
Either or doesn't really change anything
The legendaries are the same as the talents
edgy bone
Been running these lately
The 4 blue circles are the changes I made
my dps is pretty low
but i dont die
strong forum
That block uptime is overkill
You don't need bolster + hr + Ed
But if your dps is low, the legendary choice won't change that
It's a minimal impact that those legendaries have besides freeing up 1 point on warri or prot tree
uneven mason
Too bad we can't roll extra block into critical block %
edgy bone
It's a minimal impact that those legendaries have besides freeing up 1 point on ...
Ok so you're saying I should change those 3
strong forum
Well I don't have a reprisal m+ Build pinned
cobalt seal
and modified it a little beacuse i dfont like Reprisal
You had other options there to choose also
dry heart
Wonder how long it’ll be until they fix Violent Outburst and Thunder Clap interaction
lusty grotto
the bug?
strong forum
It's fixed on beta
lusty grotto
its fixed in beta
strong forum
Retail is 1 build behind beta
dry heart
Thanks 🙏
strong forum
That's why the talent tree is diff there aswell
(sidearm and barbaric training are swapped)
dry heart
When would you want to take side arm if ever
strong forum
You don't
edgy bone
when are they adding the third leg talent
lusty grotto
dont need it
strong forum
It's always active
lusty grotto
third leg comes with rolling warrior
edgy bone
🤣
strong forum
Exactly
lusty grotto
baseline
torn ginkgo
am I gonna get slammed if I use spell block in Upper?
strong forum
Tough as nails has basically 0 value on upper
lusty grotto
that's true
strong forum
So yes Spellblock is the way to go
lusty grotto
just make sure youre using it
torn ginkgo
its mainly medivh, but also yea block is weird for upper
lusty grotto
its activated
strong forum
Seismic also doesn't do anything there
So play either reprisal or the wall
Basically play full ST build + spellblock
torn ginkgo
thoughts on this for upper?
strong forum
Sudden death instead of show of force
And move 1 wildstrikes point to unstoppable force
strong forum
It's more about the rage economy on that one tbh
UF makes you spend more globals not spending rage and instead generating it
In ST it's a bit tougher now
jolly granite
anyone got a working interrupt track wa or an addon. couldn´t find anything.
anything that works
grave crane
To track your and your parties?
jolly granite
party
omnicd isn´t working at all
and all the wa´s are old and causing lua problems
grave crane
It may take a bit for Omni cd to be updated cause that’s what usually use
jolly granite
same
lusty grotto
i use zentracker WA
however im not sure if its picking up if people have kick talents learned
has anyone had a situation where wow just
freezes in raid?
had it happen a while ago on the regular fated rotation and then it stopped
and now its happening again
azure ivy
We only taking sudden death in upper and workshop? Otherwise show of force?
lusty grotto
not sure if workshop is a good call
it can go either way
anything that's ST focused
upper most notably since you cant really pull big there
except for manas
but that's the very small exception
lusty grotto
uneven mason
I'm not sure on blizzards new philosophy of letting bad double down on bad by letting some classes just not grab their interrupt
lusty grotto
yeah ive been noticing
uneven mason
Maybe that's why they made us so tanky
lusty grotto
if people keep going with these builds
those 20s are gonna be way harder than current 26s
uneven mason
So we can compensate for stupid
lusty grotto
not because we're gonna fail
dps is gonna be renamed to floor tank
they'll find a way to blame tanks
they always do
but warrior, you have pummel baseline
and youll be scratching your head looking at the cooldown
might be a good idea to invest in rogues 😄
rogue baseline kick stock is going uppppp
azure ivy
upper most notably since you cant really pull big there
Roger that. Thank you
radiant magnet
need a WA interrupt tracker that highlights at start if they dont have the talent
pre-key
uneven mason
Legitimately that's how you get people to start interrupting, have it kill the DPS not the tank
We do our jobs
radiant magnet
at one point in Beta that was kind of a thing. the mobs cast an enrage, 2s cast, if you dont interrupt it lost aggro and got +1000% dmg
lusty grotto
not to mention, the non-talented tricks/misdirect
uneven mason
Why'd I die, well, I pummeled the tank buster, it's up to you to kick "shadowcleave9000"
lusty grotto
which might end up not being needed but still
radiant magnet
w/ tricks & misdirect - if they get aggro and die, on them
tank dies - healers fault. healer dies - tanks fault. dps dies - dps's fault
radiant magnet
shit tank, ragequit, deadkey
lusty grotto
like even now
when i try to triple or even double
theyre going ham on the first pack that i only heroic threw on
its funny
also NOBODY ever hard CCs stick in gambit now
its just "fuck it, we'll let them cast it and then ignore it"
honestly makes me miss shockwave RIP in pieces shockwave
knotty idol
Real quick why are so many people taking into the fray over heavy repercussions? Is it possible to get 100% shield block uptime without HP?
lusty grotto
just press that intim shout and let jesus take the wheel
who are these "many people"?
where are you seeing this
lusty grotto
did you read the legendary part
3/7 builds have it
it is totally doable, but it might not be for new warriors
knotty idol
Why do you think the other 4 don't? Mainly the Seismic lego one
knotty idol
Do they not need 100% shield block uptime?
lusty grotto
we didnt really need 100% uptime at all before, its only 100% when actually getting melee'd or physical range'd
that hasn't changed
knotty idol
Right so rather just have the haste for extra comfort?
lusty grotto
and it has been like that since vanilla basically
if you can manage uptime while getting hit with blockable attacks, and that's an important if
then sure haste ensures more devastator resets, etc with hasted CDs
and hasted SB cd which is the important one
but again it's an important if
if you dont want to deal with it, just go HR
knotty idol
Oh shield block CD scales with haste anyway I didn't realise that
lusty grotto
that's one of the biggest reasons we primarily go haste for
urban portal
i think nome swore by HR
knotty idol
Gotcha
urban portal
the rage from HR is still huge
knotty idol
I assumed it was for rage gen
lusty grotto
i def do not recommend ITF if you're just getting the hang of Warrior though
mighty valley
i haven't clicked through the builds but worth mentioning you really don't need anything close to 100% uptime in raid
lusty grotto
yeah
mighty valley
the others are probably just happy to pump in lower keys where you're not really scared of dying anyway
lusty grotto
as long as its 100% when you're getting hit with blockable attacks only, then that's fine
mighty valley
yeah, and if you're smart with your downtime, making sure it's when you're mopping up a pack and barely anything's left anyway, it's not a big deal
we lived with lower than 100% uptime all of SL
lusty grotto
overall dungeon completion uptime on SB means nothing
mighty valley
yeah i'm just saying it as shorthand
lusty grotto
knotty idol
Okay so HP in most content until I get used to things I suppose
Then swap to ITF for raid and parsing
lusty grotto
nah i dont know if ITF in raid is the call
but worth a try
on keys it might be different
it makes sense what harrow says though
youre not always actively tanking so HR might not be as good, however the rage gen is
its debatable
mighty valley
do what feels right til sims are finalized
then we can all laugh at whoever was wrong
lusty grotto
true true
wide fiber
any good ignore pain weakaurs for 10.0 yet?
mighty valley
it keeps happening
lusty grotto
yeah idk
wide fiber
to track the absorb amount and time left.
lusty grotto
what for
mighty valley
if you want one, there's one in pins, scroll down a bit
wide fiber
thxs
mighty valley
but yeah, in practice it's honestly kind of a distraction
wide fiber
why wouldnt i want to know that info???
lusty grotto
its not important
let me ask you something
if youre almost to rage cap
what do you press if you have an IP up?
and are in GCD
because if the answer is not another IP then you're not managing rage correctly
rigid schooner
IP is off the GCD no?
lusty grotto
correct
rigid schooner
so it would be the best choice
lusty grotto
indeed
rigid schooner
yeah ive been doing that if im overcapping cuz i cant get out enough revenges i feel
lusty grotto
yeah but people looking to track IPs are usually holding off on pressing IP
and we dont understand why they feel that way
well
rigid schooner
the tierset made me use IP alot tbh
lusty grotto
we kinda get the same answers
rigid schooner
i do have a IP tracker but really its just so i can tell if mine is running out
runic tundra
not overcapping rage > overcapping rage
rigid schooner
which happens rarely
radiant magnet
in general, overcapping is bad. IP it doesnt matter but thats the exception.
overcapping rogue combo pts = bad. overcapping BDK bone shield charge = bad.
we break that ppatern. confuses ppl.
lusty grotto
i mean i do use marok's tracker, numbers are cool, im just not actively monitoring it. Just send the IP
rigid schooner
yeah i come from overcapping BDK bone shield charges and overcappnig holy power as prot pall
as in me practicing
to avoid that
so i got used to managing rage pretty quick
but knowing when to spend on what with rage is a different cookie for me atm
radiant magnet
yeah i come from overcapping BDK bone shield charges and overcappnig holy power ...
there it matters. IP you get 2 things - the IP shield (dont care) and the rage spent (CDs back, self heal, etc)
lusty grotto
and banner uptime
rigid schooner
yeah is it okay to use IP for banner uptime?
lusty grotto
and outburst
rigid schooner
because thats what ive been doing
lusty grotto
of course
radiant magnet
yeah, lots of perks that outweigh the shield alone
rigid schooner
poggers
lusty grotto
i mean as long as you're not starving yourself on it
runic tundra
i.p could read: "spend 40 rage on nothing" and youd still press it to not overcap rage
rigid schooner
yeah ofc not
mighty valley
if your entire thought process is "i only press IP when i'm gonna overcap rage otherwise" you'll be right in 99% of cases, and also get pretty good value out of IP in our current state
radiant magnet
the cap is your max rage - thats important. not the max IP.
lusty grotto
yea
mighty valley
the other 1% is like... yeah, maybe you wanna buffer a really big tankbuster in killer content, that's when you might care how big your current IP is
devout heron
do you use defensive stance on keys or offensive stance
lusty grotto
yeah but Brut Vit should cover that too
radiant magnet
you will have times where you can put that rage into a Revenge or Execute instead - thats fine. you will have other times where you need to burn rage now to avoid your max rage cap - "waste" it on IP is fine
devout heron
battle stance seems less gained effects but defensive cuts %10 damage from you
rigid schooner
i see using IP in legit two different reasons either outburst/banner uptime or using it to not cap rage
mighty valley
if the content you're in is doing threatening damage to you basically all the time, stay in dstance. for most of what we're doing right now, we can mitigate and self-heal all the damage we take even in bstance so we're fine chilling
rigid schooner
you will have times where you can put that rage into a Revenge or Execute instea...
yeah about that is execute also on GCD?
cuz i know revenge is i believe
radiant magnet
it is
it's a fairly small dps increase during the execute window. like 2-3%
chances are during the execute window, if you are tanking, you will want to favor 4pc tier set bonus w/ revenge. but thats your call
can do both, but it may drop the 4pc bonus
mighty valley
i think framing it around "where should my rage go, IP or revenge?" is setting people up for failure
the fundamentals are fill every GCD with a rotational ability. if you're ever too starved to press revenge when nothing else is available, you've likely done fucked up
errant marsh
hi guys, do you know if it's possible to do a WA able to say, if i haven't aggro then go battle stance ?
mighty valley
like a warning on the screen? or literally puts you in the stance?
first is possible, second is likely not
errant marsh
no no juste warning XD
strong forum
Can't you just tell with nameplate colours
prisma crane
if it has an audio that would be annoying AF in any fight with adds
strong forum
If you have threat or not
errant marsh
it's to not forget to swtich the stance in raid 🙂
errant marsh
i have already done the opposite, so if i'm in battle stance but i have aggro then show aura, but i have pain to do the other one
lusty grotto
stances dont add threat or anything
strong forum
That's just muscle memory for you to train
lusty grotto
unless default nameplate colors change for some reason?
strong forum
Im also not a fan of defaulting to dstance in all situations
mighty valley
i think for everything besides mythic tankkiller bosses like a denathrius or jailer, we'll probably treat DStance more like an always available CD for tankbusters
lusty grotto
i just did a heroic sepulcher and never once did i swap to def stance
strong forum
If you're about to overcap, pump IP
That's what's it's there for
Well, you only dump with revenge when SS and TC are both on CD
Aswell as all your CDs
So you better get used to dumping with IP
mighty valley
in big enough target situations you're just gonna overcap sometimes in CDs, outside of that you might just not be dumping with IP early enough
strong forum
Only in bigass pulls do you forgo using SS in favour of revenge
And at that point you're likely spamming IP+revenge
Ya it's all a practice thing
blazing condor
oblique garnet
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148897941883584512/997086666961457203/c...
lusty grotto
mellow quartz
Like the pull before the tree boss in AA. Talk about swimming in rage.
strong forum
Or just the boss fight itself
mellow quartz
Yeah but you don’t wanna skip SS there as the ST is priority.
Unless you are going for the big pad
strong forum
You still do mad St through seismic
mellow quartz
Sure but rather SS and revenge then as that would be even more.
Also those poison stacks are nutty if you don’t have a dispel. Died to a 350k dot tick on a 15 earlier 🙂
mellow quartz
My group was dead
solid glen
So... any point in using Whirlwind?
mighty valley
no
solid glen
That's what I thought :p
dark leaf
sorry if its been answered but i dont see it in pins, does the talent seismic reverb and the lego stack or nah?
mighty valley
no
for legendaries/conduits and talents, if you take the talent, it'll override
and in some cases they're worse
so legendaries are usually just a way to save a point and put it elsewhere in prepatch
median tulip
So... any point in using Whirlwind?
You don't need to have Whirlwind, Slam or Rend (assuming you have Blood and Thunder, which you SHOULD) on your bars at all
whole narwhal
Its nice to free up my keybinds, I pit hamstring on my rend key
median tulip
I'm not sure you need Hamstring either TBQH
sick sentinel
wait so how many more talent points do we get when we're 70?
10 on each tree?
or 5
uneven mason
I'd assume 5 per
safe mango
How have people been finding prot in pre patch? Any builds people are really enjoying that aren't on the pre patch guide, or are the ones there pretty solid?
deep spruce
It's strong af, check pins
safe mango
Just looking for some feedback on them because I'm probably looking at tanking a bit for our m+ group
sick sentinel
i have no idea, but paladin tank decided to bop him self right before pulling the mount boss in underrot
alpine lark
well guild is looking to have me swap to Prot Warrior...i have no prior experience with it. been a DK tank since Wrath and only DK tank. any pointers for beginners
radiant magnet
all DF tanks are solid right now. all are very tanky w/ 60-70% of a dps worth of output
'worst' is arguably Bear - tankiness and output decent, but crap design
not counting prepatch cause I still hate SL too much for that
whole narwhal
I'm not sure you need Hamstring either TBQH
I've been using it for pvp as prot, as well as it helps a bit with fixated mobs to be easier to kite
sick sentinel
im not crazy about druid main tree or priest main tree
radiant magnet
bear tree is garbage, but playable
if they fix it, bear becomes very decent - but needs a 90% redesign
whole narwhal
Priest tree is awkward, but the class feels pretty good
median tulip
im not crazy about druid main tree or priest main tree
By main tree do you mean class tree?
median tulip
Druid class tree felt like it suffered from having to cater for 4 specs
sick sentinel
same choices more or less, those options don't swap alot other than contextual like, its triggers a heal spell for healer and tank thing for tank on same node
median tulip
Priest I thought was ok. It seemed very much like "go right for DPS, go left for heals"
radiant magnet
Druid class tree felt like it suffered from having to cater for 4 specs
the real issue is that you cant cross lanes. so to get a tier 4 talent you need, you have to buy 3 other talents you cant use in bear
just feels like wasted pts, even tho there are times where you might use them. rare times.
sick sentinel
i didnt like that you need to put 3 talents into 1 node, and in multiple locations
and it seems no other tree does this
radiant magnet
yeah, just poor design
median tulip
Druid could do with having a bunch of spec changing talents like the UF/IO (for Prot) becomes BT/WT (Arms) and BT/TT (Fury)
whole narwhal
There's only one point in priest I'd move, just cause the tuning blows for it, the mana back on swp kills
Druid just feels very locked to getting stampede and innervate, and that's it
median tulip
I've pretty much decided I'm not going to do my priest in DFS1, as I'm only going to go with Warrior Main and Shaman Alt, but Holy Priest looked decent
whole narwhal
Ye I'm going warrior, and either DK or Priest
Not a fan of shadow, and so far both dps specs for DK have been a miss
median tulip
I've never been able to get into DK. Must have bounced off it a dozen times.
whole narwhal
I played DK mainly on wrath private servers, and that was the duel wield hybrid tank spec
Was fun cause you hit super fast and had both raid buffs
stray sonnet
what point could i give up for intervene if i'm running reprisal leggo?
uneven mason
I played DK mainly on wrath private servers, and that was the duel wield hybrid ...
You mean, frost tanking 😛
which was the primary tank spec in WOTLK
rich badger
If you aren't dying then you should be damaging.
median tulip
Generally I don't spam Revenge; as you say, there's usually a builder comes up between each
mellow quartz
what point could i give up for intervene if i'm running reprisal leggo?
Sidearm or pain and gain.
Revenge does a lot of damage in aoe. If you pull big enough and have enough rage gen going from bloodsurge etc then you can absolutely just spam revenge and TC
If you have no prio target to damage, have enough rage gen and have SB up then fine in really large pulls.
Like triple pulls in gambit etc
undone verge
Orbital strike hits shadowP WW and Enhance
undone verge
Blizzard really came back with the classic precisions nerfs with that one
median tulip
I actually wish that we could catch some minor inconsequential nerf that the doomers would hype up beyond all reasonable reactions as "Prot got nerfed1!" just so the FOTM rerollers go away
Revenge is... I think 45% AP base, plus whatever talents and effects you have running to improve it. Shield Slam starts at 80% IIRC, and there are more Revenj bonuses than SS ones
mellow quartz
Blizzard really came back with the classic precisions nerfs with that one
If they feel it’s all perfect relative to each other for the spec but does to much overall then an aura nerf is a good way to go.
median tulip
The problem is that while Enh was well ahead in M+ in was bang average in raid. So now it'll be bang average in M+ and shit in raid
mystic sleet
what stat should i take from shrouded affix?
grave crane
I actually wish that we could catch some minor inconsequential nerf that the doo...
yeah that would be nice
median tulip
what stat should i take from shrouded affix?
Haste
lone eagle
I actually wish that we could catch some minor inconsequential nerf that the doo...
Kinda did
Party shield wall was big but frankly out of pocket as far as tank role goes
mellow quartz
I am actually really interested to see if these changes are a ‘prepatch’ only change or if they will be rolled into beta as well.
Would assume the latter.
But dunno if they are going by what specs are doing in prepatch or beta with these. Very much hope beta only but who knows how they think!
whole narwhal
You mean, frost tanking 😛
Hard to call it frost tanking cause you didn't take unbreakable armor like a normal frost tank would
It was a pretty different tree
sick sentinel
i just think that what will be most interesting of all in DF is just seeing what people do and don't take, now they have choice
see who and how many NEVER take a silence or self heal or who ALWAYS takes the DR option or crit buff
median tulip
I saw someone the other day who said they were working on an addon or weakaura to shame anyone joining their M+ groups if they didn't have their interrupt talented
median tulip
"Have your interrupt talented" is not an elitist attitude
sick sentinel
no, but an addon to automatically announce it is borderline name and shame
its in a grey area
median tulip
It's exactly the same as "these people don't have food/flasks"
and literally everyone has the weakaura that does that on rcheck
sick sentinel
nobody will get banned over this stuff, but nobody will really give a shit, because outside of some spergout meltdown it will never be a point of contention for most of us
median tulip
interrupts are much more impactful to a successful high key run than flasks
sick sentinel
oh, you want me to take the anti fear talents for group for rezan and birds of AD, okay let me go ahead and switch
mortal brook
sure, ty in advance
lavish oracle
I've definitely kicked druids before for refusing to take trees on necrotic weeks, lol
At least in bfa
mortal brook
and then they pop them on the gather >.>
sick sentinel
my hope is that people run like 2 to 3 talent builds per spec, depending on key or raid
lavish oracle
Honestly, in bfa, we could stay in for so long on necrotic, it wasn't that big a deal if they popped them wrong but it was like a 1% dps difference (and I think it was even a damage increase on ST) so if people didn't swap they were just being stubborn
sick sentinel
my fear is everyone just meta power games it and this is what we saw mdi player do in his off time so nobody can deviate or kick
"this is my only set up bro"
lavish oracle
Most specs have some flex points
severe hatch
Ok Blizz I see you're fixing Warrior bugs. Next can you please fix Outburst? The bug you already fixed once for beta?
signal sequoia
i want them to fix brutal vitality
whole narwhal
I saw someone the other day who said they were working on an addon or weakaura t...
i mean yeah its a dick move, but also so is not taking a interrupt on a dungeon that needs alot of them on a high key
split kelp
Hi i’m a new prot warrior/wow player in general. I’m going to hit lv 50 soon and wanted to set up keybinds/ui.
I was wondering what you guys have for binds, like what keys you use/how you group keys/macros you use. I also wanted to try to incorporate mouse buttons like scroll wheel and m4/m5. As I understand so far the main buttons to upkeep seem to be shield slam/thunder clap, and shield block/ignore pain. Would you recommend binding those to mouse buttons? Just wanted some thoughts. I was having difficulty finding prior examples when searching the discord . thanks !
mighty valley
Those four + revenge are the buttons you press very regularly, so wherever's most comfortable for you
rustic pagoda
Hi i’m a new prot warrior/wow player in general. I’m going to hit lv 50 soon and...
for me personally, i have block macroed to SS, and IP macroed to devestate, since both secondary abilities are off the GCD. i do end up casting them when not needed (like when off taniking), but imo the qol for when actively tanking is worth it
hazy sinew
Hi i’m a new prot warrior/wow player in general. I’m going to hit lv 50 soon and...
mostly.
1 - 5 builder. like rage, combo point, soul shard.
shift 1 - 5 spender. like rampage, warlock'shand of guldan.
scroll wheel is CD. offensive and defensive.
mouse button is pots.
utilities is Q R T F.
mighty valley
the only thing I macro is trinket + avatar
I use a lot of keys so I don't have to shift-bind anything I press more often than once a minute tbh
like, 123456qwrtgyhazxcv are all bound
(but i'm a sicko that uses ESDF for movement)
dry heart
Your set up is very similar to mine then Harrow
split kelp
for me personally, i have block macroed to SS, and IP macroed to devestate, sinc...
That’s interesting, so does this mean you’d cast both at the same time? i’d imagine you would run out of block charges when tanking (i can be completely wrong, have not run dungeons yet) also doesn’t the devastator talent turn devastate into a passive ability?
mighty valley
yeah, I wouldn't recommend macroing defensive abilities into rotational abilities, might feel easier at first but you want control over them
also yes, you should take devastator
rustic pagoda
That’s interesting, so does this mean you’d cast both at the same time? i’d imag...
it does, but i personally never liked devastator, so i dont use it. you do run the potential issue of casting IP/SB when it isnt specifically needed, but for most instances, when youre actively tanking you generate enough rage to have a fair amount of IPs, and SB has a reasonably short CD. it also reduces the number of buttons i have to hit, which i like. again, just how i like to play, and whats worked for me.
and if you want devastator, can always just link both to SS
split kelp
Got it, thanks for the insight
I only ask these questions because i heard prot warrior is a (?) button mashy class and am typically very particular/OCD with my binds/ui setup. Wanted to try to get used to a setup that makes sense earlier rather than later
mighty valley
It'll be a little slower in DF but in SL season 3/4 we were probably the highest cast per minute class in the game
rustic pagoda
my general setup is
buttons i hit a lot: 1-5
buttons i hit sometimes: shift 1-5
CDs: alt 1-5
buttons i dont hit a lot: 6-0/shift 6-0
plus i have taunt on my mouse (only a 3 button)
wary heath
I use the mouse with the numpad on the side, takes 12 keys off the keyboard
1 - 6 on keyboard are all defensives
Q and e mobility
R f z x c v utility and stuns.
Then your defensive presses with your left hand never compete with your right hand using offense. Maybe this is super nooby..
severe hatch
it does, but i personally never liked devastator, so i dont use it. you do run t...
I'm glad this works for you but you really should not be going around recommending this strategy to others. It's hugely suboptimal and is going to set them up for failure if they want to pursue higher content.
ionic fern
pallid quiver
i feel that sometimes, mwahi
plush crystal
Should I have defensive stance active in dungeons?
ionic fern
You shouldn't need it currently, but there's literally no harm done if you do.
You'll just lose out on some damage.
pallid quiver
just remember
if you do more damage, you heal more, so you don't need the defense from defensive stance 🙂
ionic fern
My bet is that your average joe will do more damage by being in defensive stance and actually learning the rotation/priority properly over stance-dancing.
pallid quiver
... stance dancing? that's what those old people do in classic, man
honestly i agree
I'm gonna have a time when DF starts proper, because I keep forgetting that we have stances again
and obviously i default to battle
urban portal
Yeah I agree
mighty valley
yeah, if you know how to play the spec, and like most people you do content below your maximum capabilities? battle stance will be fine forever
pallid quiver
Thaaaaaat's the spirit
ionic fern
yeah, if you know how to play the spec, and like most people you do content belo...
What if i don't know how to play the spec but do content wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy below my maximum capabilities?
Can i still bstance?
I max out at HC dungeons.
Mythic is scary.
wraith hemlock
Mythic is the joy of life
ionic fern
Also, competing on logs is way easier for HC dungeons.
pallid quiver
no because you'll get shouted out of the room by the pros
ionic fern
pallid quiver
Also, competing on logs is way easier for HC dungeons.
real strats
mighty valley
new DF goal: get all of the 100 parses on all leveling normal dungeons
ionic fern
Hell jeah.
ionic fern
I also move my horde character to the most alliance heavy server so i can be R1 in m+ on realm for Horde faction.
I got so many good ideas to get r1.
Amazing.
wraith hemlock
Because it's the D stance
blazing condor
Does defensive stance give more aggro or Nah
urban portal
No
limpid citrus
When you play in Battle stance do you often find yourself swapping back to Defensive stance or is it a set and forget?
silent anchor
I aint hit defensive stance yet. We don't lose health if played right tbh
ionic fern
We are rocks right now in Pre-patch..so you can just chill in battle stance without noticing anything for the majority of content.
ebon geyser
pulsar marsh
Is there a good advanced Macro Resource/Overview aside from the very basic ones on Icy/Wowhead?
ionic fern
Macros are a very-very personal thing.
Same as keybinds.
So that's a vague question. 👀
jagged pier
I also move my horde character to the most alliance heavy server so i can be R1 ...
Just do a kungen do keys for like 2 days first week of season when all the pushers are raiding dont even do a 15. Quit and just say theres no challenge left
ionic fern
For example, i'm only using some "on cursor" and the charge/intervene macro.
pulsar marsh
So for example could I create a Macro that only uses Shieldblock when it's not currently up?
ionic fern
Just do a kungen do keys for like 2 days first week of season when all the pushe...
Reminds me of a certain someone on the first night of NA normal raiding:
ionic fern
So for example could I create a Macro that only uses Shieldblock when it's not c...
No, that's not a Macro's functionality.
pulsar marsh
Hi guys, I'm currently setting my Weakaura and UI up and I'm still trying to understand the importance of knowing my Ignore Pain Shield and if I will cap on the next cast? From my understanding wouldn't it be enough to just never let it run out and cast it optimally 0.5 seconds before the current application runs out. So this way it's always up and I never need to know the size of my currenct shield etc.
I'm asking this because the Luxthos Suite has this Ignore Pain Bar and I'm not very comfortable with it and would prefer a Icon with remaining duration shown.
ionic fern
Hello again.
Don't overthink Ignore Pain. Treat it as a "rage dump".
Your primary goal as a Protection Warrior is to not waste any Rage.
Your main mitigation tool is Shield Block - it should be kept up as much as possible while taking blockable damage (most melees and also certain boss abilities).
Ignore Pain is just a "buffer" that you add on-top of Shield Block.
Yes, Ignore Pain caps out at 30% of your Maximum health but overcapping is 100% okay. Since it's off the global cooldown it's the perfect button to press when you need to dump extra Rage.
pulsar marsh
Thanks Mwahi 🙂
sand pebble
Should pin that imo
All the new warriors heard someone somewhete say not to overcap ip
ionic fern
Thanks Mwahi 🙂
pulsar marsh
yeah with all the information in the guides and also this big fat Bar in the Luxthos Suite I thought it's super important to micromanage that - but how can I not overcap while not letting it run out? I mean that's not impossible right? or am I missing something? the shields is lost when the buff runs out right?
ionic fern
Yes, you lose the Ignore Pain absorb when the timer runs out.
"Don't overcap" was meant for Rage. You don't want to overcap Rage. Overcapping Ignore Pain (casting it again while already at 100% value) is fine.
Rage is a more important resource than the insignficant amount of Ignore Pain.
Remember that using Rage feeds into Indomitable and Anger Management.
patent osprey
FYI, Seismic Reverb Legendary is bugged. It is doing the exact same bonus as the talent is currently doing. When comparing the details revenge damage is exactly the same, even though legendary states 75% increase vs the talent's 30% increase.
dark lark
Hi Plka stream!
patent osprey
@strong forum @ionic fern @oblique garnet Fix. Ty
blazing condor
patent osprey
🙂
toxic pewter
Hi, I finally made it, I’m a celebrity now
shy gorge
Hi mom it’s me, I’m on stream. Grandma too!
blazing condor
they done nerfed our seismic
ionic fern
FYI, Seismic Reverb Legendary is bugged. It is doing the exact same bonus as the...
Hello, yes this is known and thought to be a tooltip issue for Seismic (the Legendary).
How are you, you magnificent beast. Are you R1 yet again?
dark lark
YEAH COME ON
ionic fern
JE @strong forum FIX YOUR PIN.
oblique garnet
no. I didn't know so gotta PIN IT that it doesnt work
I thought nome pinned it yesterday ngl
blazing condor
Nom, our only TC, isn't online
ionic fern
Nom, our only TC, isn't online
dark lark
spice axle
anyone has the a working outburst tracker wa?
blazing condor
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blazing condor
oblique garnet
@ionic fern get to work 
ionic fern
Nome has done like 50 pins in the last month alone. I cba pinning more.
Even i'm too lazy to scroll down to all of them.
Or did you mean SIMC?
oblique garnet
Yes
oblique garnet
blazing condor
oh boy pre patch! Time to sim!