its prepatch. leggos dont matter much. covenant dont matter much.
#protection
radiant magnet
only thing I'd worry about atm is discovering the details on every talent so you can make informed choices in DF
waxen orbit
Ye those are 20s
waxen orbit
only thing I'd worry about atm is discovering the details on every talent so you...
True
radiant magnet
especially considering the number of swapping from X to PWar ppl we have rolling around
lots of people coming in blind because they've heard beta rumors and tiers built around bugs
fotm jumps
waxen orbit
Filthy fucking FotM chimps
radiant magnet
I mean I get it, but if FOTM is your thing - take the default build and dont come in here debating
read a guide, do the guide, someone else has already put in weeks of work for you
dont jump in arguing ya know
waxen orbit
devout pewter
I have a question.
i'm playing Warrior tank a this prepatch .. i'm main brew monk!
I've seen so many discussions about def or battle stance ... but is it so wrong to stay in def stance? gives me so much security ... we lose a lot in dps?
radiant magnet
staying in d stance is perfectly fine
encouraged while you learn
once you get comfortable and feel up to it, swapping to b stance for a few extra pts in specific windows is your call
waxen orbit
I have a question.
i'm playing Warrior tank a this prepatch .. i'm main brew mon...
If you're learning, go for it. Once you get the hang of the spec though, you do not need defensive stance, flat out. At least not for pre-patch (unless you're pushing north of +26)
mighty valley
feel free to start out in dstance, but once you've run a few keys and get comfortable with playing i think you'll be surprised by how little you ever feel in danger
then you can dip into bstance and never turn back
radiant magnet
get comfortable with the rotation and basics. treat d stance like training wheels. when you dont need it anymore, turn it off
waxen orbit
It'll likely change and it'll probably be viable to swap stances consistently in DF, but as of right now, once you get the hang of the spec, it's not important to use def stance
mighty valley
it's not until really high up that group dps is actually the thing holding you back from timing keys anyway
devout pewter
no, actually i'm keys doing low 22/23 ...
I am not yet very confident with the Warrior .. in fact I have to read a guide, try to understand if he has priority in Aoe or St etc. etc. .. anyway thank you for the answers
radiant magnet
if you're running w/ a regular healer, also worth warning them you're swapping when you finally decide to
but for now D stance covers those inevitable "I'm learning" mistakes you'll make
devout pewter
one of the mistakes I definitely make is that we spam too much ignore Pain, perhaps at the expense of shield block or revenge to do damage🤣
radiant magnet
a good WA to track it helps
spamming SB is ok. IP you want to moderate based on incoming dmg type rage usage
devout pewter
a good WA to track it helps
yes i am updating the ui for the Warrior as well, because if it stays that way also in DF, I think I will use the Warrior in DF
devout pewter
spamming SB is ok. IP you want to moderate based on incoming dmg type rage usag...
the problem i think i encounter often is that i used to ignore the pain? I immediately use another one, immediately .. this happens several times and in fact many times I get into trouble with rage ... I have to improve. I am really enjoying the Warrior tank
radiant magnet
it's a common issue tbh. you'll get it with practice and a better WA tracker
the big thing to learn is that we're a giant feedback loop
we spend rage to build rage
the faster you spend, the faster your CDs come back - the more dps you do. with proper play your rage bar stays fairly low-to-middle
and very few abilities sit unused. unless you know something big is coming up, use those CDs
The instinct is to hold 'oh shit' buttons like Shield Wall - but dont. Pop it early on a big pull because if you're playing right you'll get it back in 40s or so
waxen orbit
I’m creating two weakaura groups for a full pack that I’ll post here. It’s worked well for me for the entirety of SL and it’s adapted for prepatch. Still lots of work to do on it, but it’s made fool proof for even the daftest of morons who get tunnel vision and forget to look at their whole screen (AKA autistic/ADHD people AKA yours truly)
Partial credit to @cinder nova for the Outburst tier set pack I’ll include
radiant magnet
we can achieve 100% uptime in DF, not sure in prepatch build tho
waxen orbit
The Wowhead M+ standard build is a really good start
Seismic reverb one in particular
radiant magnet
the no legendary build should be fine. if you're struggling and have decent haste already, swap ITF for HR
then just prioritize SS over TC at all times
or shift a pt into Champion's Bulwark, easy SB booster
- stun + AOE dmg
waxen orbit
then just prioritize SS over TC at all times
Hey just to clarify, you mean this for learners, yeah?
warm plinth
@shut summit @potent anvil @lusty grotto I hope you are doing well this evening my friends. 
radiant magnet
Hey just to clarify, you mean this for learners, yeah?
yeah
if you're pushing DPS stick to the 6-4-SS
if you're trying to max SB uptime because you're new, then focus on that instead
waxen orbit
Yeye
SB uptime is #1 most important thing alongside CD management
Two most important things as prot warr
potent anvil
radiant magnet
It's not talked about a lot, but one of our strongest points in DF is flexibility. Our "right" build still has 1-2 pts you can shuffle based on the boss.
So learn all the talents. You'll play better for it.
waxen orbit
Glow may be a newcomer to these hallowed halls but he speaks with the wisdom of Gandalf
🫡
radiant magnet
haha
I've been prot forever, just not in discord much. Learned a lot from the beta team and TCs.
plus I play all the tanks
except VDH for some reason, never cared for it
waxen orbit
Same here. Coming up on 12 years a prot warrior main
I sound like a douchebag saying that as a 19 year old
radiant magnet
I started as Holy priest, but had to tank in Firelands. Just kind of stuck with it after that.
waxen orbit
This is what happens when your dad goes Grand Marshall and feeds your interest in a video game at a young age around the same time that they prescribe you Adderall. Motherfucker accidentally created a WoW super-soldier, except I'm still dogshit at the game after 12 years
waxen orbit
I started as Holy priest, but had to tank in Firelands. Just kind of stuck with...
I'm gonna guess prot paladin in Firelands?
Prot paladin in 4.2 was nutty
radiant magnet
Nah, warrior back then too
waxen orbit
Damn, alright alright
radiant magnet
our other tank was prot pally if I recall, so went with something else. never left.
waxen orbit
You got yourself a righteous mane of chest hair playing anything other than prot pal pre-DS in Cata
radiant magnet
nice
waxen orbit
Warrior > Pala > DK > Pala > Warrior
Oh lord, you didn't inform me of a DK Cutberth arc.
cinder nova
I can't bring myself to care about leather tanks
It was like half of WOTLK
Then I swapped back to paladin during ICC and got the pre-nerf Al'aqir achieve in Cata.
Honestly Cata was a softball raid xpac but it was my best prog until like ATB
But I went Warr when Legion dropped and haven't looked back.
It's just peak fantasy
radiant magnet
Legion is where my baby dorf warrior is now. Prepatch or not, i just cant do anymore SLs
cinder nova
In a world of magic and cosmic power being possessed of breathtaking anger issues is apparently enough to hang
waxen orbit
Maybe I'm just a walking fucking stereotype, but I'm a Leo, a trumpet player, a gym-rat, and I want a huge lion tattoo on my back. I mained barbarian in Diablo 3 and every DND campaign I've ever participated in, I've been a barbarian and speak in broken English. I love prot warrior because you're just a huge, loud Chad Thundercock swinging your big, oiled up beef-anchors around and bursting at the seems with rage. Bullets? That shit don't hurt. Swords? Cut me, I'm into that shit. Magic? Go ahead you fucking brainiac nerd-virgin, I do not give a fuck. I'm barely wearing any armor -- in fact, my full, unshaven manhood is swinging about in plain view. I'll charge into tens of enemies at once and simply degrade them and ignore their weak attacks because I'm just that much of a fucking Chad. No other class in this game could compare to the raw, unbridled masculinity of a protection warrior. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to go push my bench PR (110lbs) and push some big IO (+18s).
spice pivot
Yeah I like protection warriors too.
woven trellis
anyone has a good IP tracker? the one updated in the pin doesnt rly work for me
lusty grotto
<@105027920459776000> <@95652243235143680> <@131897531251556352> I hope you are ...
i r
yo
anyone got a export for atrocity plater cause mine is shooting a shitton of errors
idk if he has updated it
or if its plater itself
some cast shit
that i recall
toxic geyser
Does anyone recall off the top of their head how many casts it is to cap IP at the moment (not with any max Hp buffs)? Is it around 2.3?
warm plinth
Does anyone recall off the top of their head how many casts it is to cap IP at t...
It's capped at 30% of your max HP. However many casts that happens to be. It's not a number of casts anymore.
But since you don't really care if you overcap it, it's not really useful information
toxic geyser
It’s for a weakaura so yeah, for me it is kinda useful to have an idea of the number of casts
neon fossil
I'm not understanding it either. One minute it's 37k next minute it's 90k
lusty grotto
30% of max HP
neon fossil
Is that due to LS and RC?
neon fossil
Got it!
lusty grotto
It’s for a weakaura so yeah, for me it is kinda useful to have an idea of the nu...
but why do you care
toxic geyser
Because I do
lusty grotto
even if it is for a weakaura, it snot useful information
toxic geyser
If you don’t want to answer then don’t answer, don’t have to be a dick lmao
warm plinth
No one's being a dick. We're just trying to understand why you think the information is useful.
toxic geyser
lusty grotto
suit yourself
neon fossil
guess what increases max HP
But, This time I didnt have LS or RC up and my IP went to 60k
warm plinth
Hit a target dummy, cast Ignore Pain, stop counting when you hit the cap. That'll give you your answer.
neon fossil
What else is the factor altering this?
warm plinth
Are you talking about your cap or how much an individual IP is
neon fossil
That was my active buff and my IP went from 37k Cap to 60.7k Cap
neon fossil
So that will allow it to stack over?
neon fossil
I agree. But, I was trying to understand if this stacks or would basically still cap out at 37k
lusty grotto
🤷
either way its really not something important
min maxing IP for whatever reason raises a red flag
cause it means you're looking to NOT cast IP
which isnt something you should do
rage usage is important
shell shale
anyone having issues with their shield breaking in keys?
like all my armor is 90-100% then shield is just broken
warm plinth
Shield breaks faster than other pieces of gear because blocking
lusty grotto
its normal
neon fossil
Well, it's always nice to know when you can push IP or utilize teh rage spending into Revenge!
So, it is useful to know.
lusty grotto
its not
shell shale
lol i see. i spent 4k gold in a lower kara just now
lusty grotto
cause youre swimming with rage
shell shale
because my shield kept breaking
warm plinth
Well, the thing is, you always press IP if you can't press revenge, whether it's capped or not.
lusty grotto
its either one or the other, overthinking it is bad
warm plinth
lol i see. i spent 4k gold in a lower kara just now
like...without ever dying?
modern brook
Zug zug
lusty grotto
lower kara is gigapull city, so its normal
warm plinth
eh... having to repair is normal, spending 4k on those repairs is not
lusty grotto
obv you would have to die to have it break
not dying and having it break is not normal
lusty grotto
that'll do it
warm plinth
🤔 your shield should not break that fast
neon fossil
cause youre swimming with rage
What planet are you living on? If IP is capped you're not gonna pump 35 rage into IP when it could be in Revenge! Knowing as and when you can utilize your rage spending for surv/dmg is how to git gud my friend.
lusty grotto
What planet are you living on? If IP is capped you're not gonna pump 35 rage int...
wrong
warm plinth
Dying is only a 10% durability loss
warm plinth
You should remove the ! from Revenge because Revenge! is free
lusty grotto
youre still wrong
neon fossil
Thanks for you input but kindly forgotten
gleaming oracle
Guys what is the prefered leveling spec as warr?
warm plinth
You have so much rage that you can virtually spam revenge and just use IP in between to prevent overcapping rage
warm plinth
Guys what is the prefered leveling spec as warr?
They're all fine tbh. War is one of the few classes that can say that
I prefer prot just because I like pulling as many mobs as humanly possible
mighty valley
the fact that we're filling every single GCD right now means there's really never currently a scenario where you're asking "should I press revenge right now"
warm plinth
And if there is, you're likely doing something wrong somewhere else.
mighty valley
if we're ever gonna be in a situation where our rage income is low enough that we can't cast revenge to fill empty GCDs, we'd better not be pressing IP
lusty grotto
lol
gleaming mica
Wait, you guys are pressing IP?
lusty grotto
can i open the hall of shame board again?
cause i have this
man i had forgotten all about it
lusty grotto
lol harrow
mighty valley
move forward with love in our hearts 🙂
mighty valley
(i do wanna see it)
lusty grotto
1 sec i have 1 from the other day
pretty sure you were around when he said that though
sick sentinel
Anyways
mighty valley
how did all these IP myths get started
i guess it used to be actually powerful in legion
pallid quiver
fotm players i've noticed in some regards
limpid pawn
are we getting away without using reprisal?
pallid quiver
like, in that second one, i've never seen that person talk, but they apparently think shield slam costs rage
Reprisal is actually a meh legendary atm in comparison to others, for M+ at least
you can already get 100% SB uptime without it, and we have a hard time fitting in revenge casts
pallid quiver
Wall or Seismic are both good choices
limpid pawn
we have a free talent for wall?
mighty valley
it's fine, adds a lot of rage, but it's not literally the only way to get passable sb uptime, so you can get benefit from a simpler one
pallid quiver
You can pick the other talent instead if you use Wall legendary
lusty grotto
tbf its probably thinking its prev expansions where IP management was a bit more nuanced
pallid quiver
see we say legion and i can only remember antorus tier set where i press battle cry and next thing i know i'm just slapping the shit out of IP
lusty grotto
IP spammers from BFA or prev
were kinda shunned
so maybe they have that same perspective but its not relevant anymore
i mean i def had it when i resubbed
but it only took mattacates banner management video to make me rethink it
mighty valley
in especially s1, i think people were absolutely destroying their rage economy by pressing IP once
pallid quiver
I've just played Warrior for so long that I think big red bar need to down
mighty valley
before our rage income popped off
pallid quiver
so if it's big i press something that make it go down
mighty valley
it's a little counterintuitive to newer people that spending more rage on revenge actually improves the rage economy
pallid quiver
better to gain 10 points of damage absorb on your IP than waste rage
lusty grotto
yeah
limpid pawn
what is weakauras options
pallid quiver
what is weakauras options
I... don't fully understand the question. Are you asking like what there are for Prot Warrior WeakAuras or what options there are for configuring weakauras or what?
limpid pawn
no, i get a bug sometimes at the start of dungeons saying that weakauras optiojns is preventing something in the default interface from working
and i can ignore/disable it
is weakauras options something that is required for weakauras to work? It seems like it could have been an older addon from a long time ago?
sand pebble
Weakaura options isnt a stand alone addon no, some setting in weakauras options is causing the issue
pallid quiver
so that can be a lot of things based on the description; could be some code from the auras you have calling things that no longer exist due to spell/ui changes, could be out of data WA settings messing with pre-patch info,
sand pebble
Just keep checking for updates to it and you can /reload sometimes fixing it
If its the start of a m+ run something in one of your auras is triggering it
Possibly checking season 4 and we are post s4
lusty grotto
this shit right here
is driving me nuts
and i cant figure out if its atrocity's plater profile
or just plater
oh
it found it
sand pebble
You have a weak aura to glow ip for swarm?
sand pebble
But why that sounds horrid
lusty grotto
whats so horrible about it
like half of the high keys dudes here use it
including nome
sand pebble
Glowy shit on screen for buttons you shoukd be using anyway
sand pebble
P = plater
lusty grotto
i dont know if ive ever noticed it tbh
if it does something that is
oh yes nvm
castbar does a fancy thing
found the bug
ok, the solution should work, just in case anyone else has had that happen
lusty grotto
as a senior dev
yes that is accurate
though i gotta be honest, i was having problems looking as to where the actual code was
fringe burrow
I was reading a bit of the backscroll and the conversation about ignore pain...Is there a good video or guide to watch to tell me more about it? Is it a bad button to press or what? Mostly lost in that conversation and curious
lusty grotto
its not a bad button to press
just press it when close to capping
no reason to hold it, or save it or w/e
plus its an off gcd so you can weave between gcds like revenge and rage generators like SS/TC
pallid quiver
It's amazing, actually, because it's off the GCD.
but in terms of defensive use, SB is more important, and we have so much rage that you can just send IP when threatening to cap rage and you'll have IP up like all the time
So it's just, like, not a thing you need to worry about actively
lusty grotto
the only real reason to hold it would be if you're at extremely low rage
fringe burrow
Got it. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't doing something dumb but sounds like the way I use it is about right. Thanks!
lusty grotto
if anything
pallid quiver
The:
CD Reduction from Anger Management
Healing from Indomitable
Feeding into Outburst
Is all much more important that trying to super min-max track IP by a long shot
You can get all those from pressing Revenge, as well, but that takes a GCD
warm plinth
@ionic fern hello friend ily
ionic fern
<@238357283996696576> hello friend ily
Good morning. ❤️
round vortex
What’s the consensus on the wowhead raid spec that got released?
Is it actually ok or is it someone blowing it out their ass completely?
limpid anchor
At least talent builds are ok
gloomy oyster
Sorry for the dumb question, I did a search and didn't see it, but is Thunderclap supposed to apply Rend if you haven't already used Rend? I thought the talent was supposed to spread it but it seems to just apply it directly, at least to my main target.
lofty widget
Its working as intended 
gloomy oyster
ok sorry i just saw the pin, thanks
jagged pier
What’s the consensus on the wowhead raid spec that got released?
Is it actually...
its not the best for sure
round vortex
its not the best for sure
My UI only became unfucked yesterday so we are raiding tonight for just memes and spec testing. Was going to yolo it but by the sounds of it, 2 mins of intuitive viewing by an experienced Prot warrior would be better yea?
jagged pier
i mean sure but the spec pretty much plays itself nowadays kinda, we have seen ppl playing it wrong, but if u want a build there are 3 raid builds in the pins
the last one can also be used with the wall
steep condor
Is one of our talents making impending victory useable when we DIDNT get a killing blow?
storm shell
yes
warm plinth
Is one of our talents making impending victory useable when we DIDNT get a killi...
Victory rush = on killing blow
Impending victory (replaces victory rush) = every 30 seconds + procs on killing blow
steep condor
Argh I’m so stupid. I misread the tooltip. Thanks
warm plinth
I still love you
proud patrol
where can i find atrocitys plater profile?
i can only find something thats still from bfa
oblique garnet
where can i find atrocitys plater profile?
From his discord but you need to be subbed to his twitch
proud patrol
Thanks 👍
steep condor
i know we don't use ww, but the pin says dont use slam either? I didn't realise that!!! what's the filler?
strong forum
revenge/nothing
steep condor
phew ok im gonna give that a shot 🙂 Nothing sounds GREAT!
have just removed slam from my bars and feel.. naked!
storm shell
if u are below lvl 10, don't do that
ionic fern
3 Oh, filler.
torn ginkgo
gearing a new warrior, grab a weapon with first Dinar or get RDM/OWS. I have crap trinkets but at 285 ilvl, but only have a 236 weapon... Decisions!
chances are will get next Dinar next week anyway
rich helm
u guys think the cheat death trinket from CN will be useful in DF or nah?
torn ginkgo
cant sim, apparantly sim tries to use "Dragon roar" but action cannot be found, anyone had that issue?
sick sentinel
How would you value one handed weapon specialization in terms of overall damage? @strong forum
strong forum
must pick
torn ginkgo
u guys think the cheat death trinket from CN will be useful in DF or nah?
the Sanctum one is better imo anyway. but chances are no it wont be, unless you are happy with half strength
sick sentinel
it feels so akward not having shockwave but i hate not picking up uproar
torn ginkgo
its 5% to all damage
is this true? half abilities dont involve our weapon
limpid anchor
And leech!
strong forum
is this true? half abilities dont involve our weapon
?
radiant magnet
u guys think the cheat death trinket from CN will be useful in DF or nah?
Wont be useful. With proper play, we dont die.
strong forum
it increases all of your dmg by 5% by equipping a 1h weapon
all of our abilites scale off of weapon damage
torn ginkgo
if that is the case it doesnt read like that to me
sick sentinel
the tooltip misslead me too tbh
strong forum
my SS dmg goes from 4.4k
to 4.2k when i swap out of it
ravager 22k without, 23.3k with
torn ginkgo
I am sure you are right, but the tooltip isnt intuitive
strong forum
im just rounding here mate
strong forum
🤷♂️
radiant magnet
blizz TTs not being accurate?! I refuse to believe that
sick sentinel
is there any "better" option trading uproar for shockwave? having TR every pack (60sec) feels very nice, opposed to 90sec CD
strong forum
no
sick sentinel
i tought so 😦
strong forum
you either get uproar + 1% crit damage
or you get 5% stam + shockwave
those are your only options
if you wanna optimise*
you can ofc play whatver combination you want, but theyre gonna be worse than those 2 i named
sick sentinel
Yea, i'm playing with the calc now but i can't find anything better
do we have rough estimate on each point in BB value?
strong forum
1.5%
strong forum
ye
sick sentinel
ok thank you
strong forum
its just worse than other options
nobody should pick it unless you want to forego everything
sick sentinel
in a ST build, we do not pick Thunderlord correct?
strong forum
in pure ST ye
not worth
im in general not a fan of thunderlord
the desync of CDs of it feels shit
sick sentinel
you can use Demo 2x per pack in aoe environement
sick sentinel
with the talent, i found that avatar and demo lines up very closely if you're willing to wait a few sec for avatar
jagged pier
u should never hold avatar
sick sentinel
5sec to optimise it during demo is probably negligable
sick sentinel
yea i get that reasoning
sick sentinel
so you would not care much about lining avatar and demo as much as you can?
upbeat mica
avatar last 20 second
demo only 8 seconds anyways so its not like have 2 line them up perfectly anyways
sick sentinel
of lost avatar CDR
it may lead overall to a few avatar lost in a 30+mn window indeed
which isnt compensate by the "optimised" combo AV/demo
severe dove
can someone post their Talent thread to import or direct me toa good place that's reliable
hazy sluice
Guess i skip the "best racial" for tank m+ and just go for the looks by picking mag'har orc... I'm not capable of pushing for top 1% keys anyways
jagged pier
jagged pier
Guess i skip the "best racial" for tank m+ and just go for the looks by picking ...
your racial doesnt matter or 1% keys anyways
hazy sluice
The better
severe dove
<:pins:353613639380369418>
ahhh found them, thank you
hazy sluice
The only appealing aspect of vulpera would have been the less janky camera positioning, but mag'har should be fine
upbeat mica
any nelfers?
knotty idol
Tauren for BIG MOUNTS
lyric elm
<:pins:353613639380369418>
theres no racial pins
ionic fern
Dwarf.
lyric elm
the sexiest, which is dwarf female
oblique garnet
Hate dwarf
lyric elm
sorry BODY TYPE 2 
astral crystal
K e e p y o u r f e e t o n t h e g r o u n d
ornate thunder
It doesn’t feel like your ever holding avatar in prepatch anyway, what I find myself punting on is hitting shield charge before demo and cucking myself the next time it comes up too since it’s right before
Then I cry into my jar of lost DPS tears
nova cloak
anyone has an idea why this error pops up when I try to sim my warrior? every other class works fine
Error: Actor '': Player '' unable to create action: dragon_roar
jagged pier
because we dont have sims yet most likely
nova cloak
but it seems to dont affect every warrior or is it prot specific?
nova cloak
alright thank you
ionic fern
Arms/Fury should work.
Prot not.
DragonRoar is not a thing anymore but it's still in the default APL.
drifting badger
hello, what covenant is better for m+ right now?
strong forum
necro
drifting badger
ty
lone eagle
@hazy sluice Vulpera was honestly "most" valuable when tanks were threatened most at the start of a pull
So while I'm a Vulpera advocate, I don't think the difference is really that big. Mag'har is fine, although if you want a non Vulpera race I'm also a HMT advocate 😆
Bullrush is really nice to have as a non-targeted charge
with added AoE pseudo interrupt capabilities
knotty idol
Based tauren enjoyer 💪
vapid lynx
I enjoy my space goat 🤣
knotty idol
Why you looking at characters feet? 
steep condor
torn ginkgo
ilvl best for weapons I take it? is Fusion hacker doing more damage now like some other weapons with effects?
karmic plinth
ilvl is best
fusion hacker CAN perform better on single target than a weapon of the same ilvl
uneven mason
Why you looking at characters feet? <:weird:718676218500874320>
I mean mechanically your eyes should be there most of the time when raiding
ionic fern
knotty idol
You should be watching the bosses eyes to see the fear after you cannonically tank the heat of the sun and survive having your soul ripped out without breaking a sweat
uneven mason
I play orc, because my eyesight is horrible so I need some 16 4xEEE shoes to stare at
uneven mason
Don't @ him bro
ionic fern
hey <@238357283996696576>
Thank you for your report.
This is unacceptable behaviour, and we will not tolerate it.
We will look into it and act accordingly.
On behalf of the Protection Warrior staff, please accept my apologies.
viral arch
iunno man, he'd have to bind rend
viral arch
instead of having it auto-applied
keen loom
Is playing Signet viable?
viral arch
well its pre patch everything is viable
leaper gameplay confirmed
uneven mason
Current pro feels like I discovered my favorite bfa thunderslap jacket in the bottom of a laundry bag and didn't actually abandon it at what's their names place after I woke up there hungover....
severe hatch
Any thoughts on why the Grimrail mace is more popular than the Workshop sword on Subcreation?
severe hatch
Definitely feel my brain melting looking at the popular weapons/shields lol. Maybe there's just too many rerollers wearing whatever
strong forum
Don't look at gear
99% of gear is worn because "that's what the vault gave me"
The overwhelming majority of gear is worn because it's an rng ilvl upgrade
severe hatch
Fair point
lone eagle
That and like, stats are such that as long as you have the correct blend you're probably good
You have to look at gear in aggregate
pastel kindle
Yo, is MDT wrong or has Gambit trash % changed? My old routes, which I've double checked and are exactly what I used to run, now come out at around 90% trash. Don't see why they'd change it so guessing MDT is bugged. Anyone else noticed this and can confirm before I go screw up % and RIP a key?
lone eagle
Obviously there are proc based outliers or exceptionally statted pieces that are more obtainable
but Haste > Vers with a few hundred points of mastery and crit is totally fine
uneven mason
99% of gear is worn because "that's what the vault gave me"
Looking forward to my vault next week, can't wait to get a big ilvl al'ar
At least I should have my dinars done
uneven mason
That and like, stats are such that as long as you have the correct blend you're ...
No blend, just ilvl
uneven mason
Ilvl > yes
strong forum
Same
lone eagle
I mean yes, but if you're picking between pieces of equal ilvl
lone eagle
My point is that putting your entire stat budget into 1 stat with a little in the other is actually often not the optimization, even for DPS, play because of how stat multipliers work
Which is why stat weights can shift very dramatically based on existing stat amount if you go very extremely in one direction
limpid anchor
Yo, is MDT wrong or has Gambit trash % changed? My old routes, which I've double...
It’s not correct in every dungeon
uneven mason
So I finished leveling up the protadin to 50, and the first 30 levels are horrible, you basically have the mitigation of a DPS and shit for hp budget, but once you get some of the hp generators and have free wog it's not horrible
Still not immortal like both prot builds
modern brook
Paladin sucks
vital sinew
Compared to leveling warrior, its ridiculous. Unkillable outside of stun/fear
uneven mason
Idk if I want to do monk or dk next
radiant magnet
both are solid in DF
.
uneven mason
Oh not looking to play at max just yet, just leveling to 50
War will be the main in df no questions asked
lyric elm
Ilvl > yes
this holds for DF too right? you literally just replace for higher ilvl, unless it's a trinket
uneven mason
Afaik
lyric elm
will we have a great vault in DF
uneven mason
There is a vault type thingy.
Of course the vault was less bad luck protection and more lol yo I heard you like belts so I gave you 9 of them
lyric elm
yea, but the system was pretty good and fair most of the time
still prefer tokens though of course
but bobby needs his engagement labyrinth
lyric elm
most quit in the first patch i assume, the maw was just too much
lone eagle
Maw was a case of atmosphere trumping game design sense
uneven mason
Full clearing heroic and half of mythic and slamming my face into dragging guildies through 15s to end up at 224ilvl when 9.0.5 hit and had nothing new
lyric elm
yes it was a cool zone
uneven mason
Maw was really bad
lyric elm
Nathria was really good too
lone eagle
And made it feel really bad to even be there
uneven mason
Maw was a serious chore, as was torghatst being restricted
lyric elm
too bad they killed off the only character with any personality in the expansion early (denathrius)
ysera was okay i guess
buoyant wharf
most quit in the first patch i assume, the maw was just too much
for me it was just that torghast was unreasonable and not really that fun (so I quit in first patch of SL, and happy to be back 🙂 )
lyric elm
yea for sure
why make a system fun when you can boost your engagement metrics
oh woops half the users quit the first month
wheres muh engagement
ancient reef
i logged into my war for the first time and i felt like i had more rage then abilit yto hit buttons
lyric elm
prot is a rage machine now
youre basically playing it like a dps, just slamming everything
dont need ravager
uneven mason
We tend to be very rage heavy in late expansion, however for DF I don't think blizzard wants to take us back to starvation levels like we tend to be at early xpac
cobalt seal
dont need ravager
You understand ravager is also really good dmg
uneven mason
Amazing if they balance us around having plentiful resources we won't scale like monsters as time goes by, we might start good, and stay good without scaling into Hulk form
cobalt seal
Right?
lyric elm
You understand ravager is also really good dmg
its good but it's not mandatory
the prot tree is probably the best in the game
uncut notch
I quite liked the idea of the 2 ravager at 15 rage per tick
uneven mason
None of the talents beside bnt are mandatory
uncut notch
but yeah ravager is good dam esp in nuts pulls
lyric elm
will use ravager for intermediary keys but not high ones
strong forum
2x ravager talent is garbage
strong forum
will use ravager for intermediary keys but not high ones
yes you will
uncut notch
2x ravager talent is garbage
didnt say it was good, just said i liked the idea of it
lyric elm
id prefer to not get 1 shot hehe
strong forum
?
cobalt seal
Pwar getting 1 shot
strong forum
maybe play a good build instead
uneven mason
the prot tree is probably the best in the game
It helps that we have some seriously big brains in our corner who can give feedback without trying to scew us toward op
cobalt seal
Nice one
lyric elm
yea i'll just git gud thx
uncut notch
It helps that we have some seriously big brains in our corner who can give feedb...
it does feel great at the mo, so good work to all involved, super fun and fast paced - rewards high skill play too. Really enjoying it
strong forum
i mean what does your build look like
if you cant play ravager
to prevent getting "1shot"
lyric elm
It helps that we have some seriously big brains in our corner who can give feedb...
the warrior dev is goated
wind mortar
any one has tested out shockwave with sonic boom ?
cobalt seal
to prevent getting "1shot"
wind mortar
for M+
uncut notch
if you cant play ravager
Possibly gone for BSV?
strong forum
ya but to get BSV, you sac a diff talent instead
uneven mason
The difference between warriors and others classes is our theory crafters were too angry to quit. For the past 3 xpac
limpid anchor
ravager is cringe tho
uneven mason
Ravager big fun
modern brook
L take
uncut notch
I'm not running it currently
strong forum
well on pre-patch you cant really have alot of diversity
uneven mason
I'm not using any endcaps for dungeons
uncut notch
But I just shamelessly ripped off the wowhead guide and will figure builds out when i see the new content
uncut notch
I'm not using any endcaps for dungeons
same
strong forum
in pre-patch you dont really have access to ravager and shield charge
uneven mason
I was kidding...
strong forum
unless you sacrifice surivability
but for DF if youre skipping ravager youre kinda trolling
severe hatch
Talents are a crutch. Real chads don't take nodes below the 2nd gate
uncut notch
I was kidding...
tell a lie, i have UF but thats it
strong forum
any one has tested out shockwave with sonic boom ?
its not rly good
and not playable before level 70 really, cuz unstoppable force buffs shockwave dmg by 50%
strong forum
so youd always want those 2 together, but even then its worse than thunderous roar+thunderous words
mellow quartz
to get bsv you would probably just drop SOF instead of ravager tbh
strong forum
Yes
mellow quartz
the only reason to drop ravager would be if you needed bsv AND alacrity
but that is an edge case to say the least
maybe once you hit max gear and have 30+% haste you can drop bulwark but I will press x for doubt on that one
primal rain
Alt+Ctrl+3 is my bind for Cloak of Shadows and AMS.
What belongs there? Spell Reflection or Bitter Immunity?
mellow quartz
fucked up bind lol but SR is the closest
modern brook
How did you manage to get to double modifiers before putting spell reflect on your bars
mellow quartz
my spell reflect is F2 lol
modern brook
My guys playing on a 20% keyboard
wintry nymph
hah
primal rain
I use Ctrl modifiers, but I almost never use Alt modifiers by itself
uneven mason
My Sr is Ctrl mouse4
mellow quartz
all you need!
primal rain
I have two keybinds with solo alt modifers, and they're heroic throw and taunt
uneven mason
Alt is for self cast, one of the few things I've never fucked with
modern brook
I mean it's keybinds
uneven mason
mans is gaming on this shit
Nautilus
modern brook
Whatever is comfortable for you is the answer
primal rain
Do people use shift modifiers? I also thought it was incredibly awkward
modern brook
I personally can't imagine double acting for spell reflect
wintry nymph
i use shift a lot
uncut notch
G for Shield block, shift G for IP come at me
wintry nymph
especially like shift e, and shift r
uneven mason
Alt+Ctrl+3 is my bind for Cloak of Shadows and AMS.
What belongs there? Spell R...
Sr is the closest to ams, bitter I'd bind to a mod on your hp pot
primal rain
double modifier with ctrl doesn't feel that bad because I use the lower part of the ulnar side of my palm instead of my pinky
primal rain
Sr is the closest to ams, bitter I'd bind to a mod on your hp pot
If last stand didn't exist, I would have put it on its bind
so, it works for arms and fury, but I'm still thinking about prot
olive steeple
Is intervene on the gcd
oblique garnet
No
sick sentinel
get u self one of these
dusky holly
Ya'll using new WAs since the prepatch?
elder bay
Do people use shift modifiers? I also thought it was incredibly awkward
I use alt
sick sentinel
limpid anchor
That’s seems so limiting
primal rain
Is it reasonable to not be using anything to the right of 5, T, F, and V?
sick sentinel
top left beside 17 12 is a slider and it slides between 3 things that changes the keybinds for rest of the device
jagged pier
Is it reasonable to not be using anything to the right of 5, T, F, and V?
its all up to personal preference there is no wrong or right answer to how comfortable u are with where u can keybind
last yew
anyone have an opinion on using tauren for war stomp?>
clear spindle
Any fellow ESDF movement enjoyers here?
sick sentinel
has great potential for fortified keys
wintry nymph
Any fellow ESDF movement enjoyers here?
just feels wrong
jagged pier
anyone have an opinion on using tauren for war stomp?>
theres already an abundance of stuns in the game
sick sentinel
well, its a 360 multi target stun
runic tundra
Any fellow ESDF movement enjoyers here?
szxc movement for life
sick sentinel
so its better than a normal stun
runic tundra
5 target cap though
last yew
yea im just thinking interupt for m+ or high mountain for another charge/ movement
sick sentinel
you could do alot worse for yourself, picking, say, undead with a leech and cannibalise
lyric elm
I'm going tauren for the stun at least
azure ivy
New to prot so please don’t destroy me for asking what may be a stupid question, for mythic plus…
Why would we take into the fray over heavy repercussions? Do we not take haste anymore for shrouded? Also I’m sitting at 40% baseline haste, and running ows, is it still optimal to take haste over any other secondary stat?
I’m guessing fray for raiding?
lofty widget
in prepatch you get enough block uptime with just enduring defenses so you can take itf over HR. affix haste gets better the more baseline haste you have cause it's multiplicative
you could take crit tho if you want a bit more dmg
azure ivy
Thank you!
mellow quartz
New to prot so please don’t destroy me for asking what may be a stupid question,...
more haste more better.
haste decreases your gcd and increases your attack speed etc. the more buttons you can hit the more rage you can generate, the more rage the more cdr and damage. Faster attack speed is more devastator procs. You need 100% haste to hit the GCD cap of 0.75s.
lone eagle
Do people use shift modifiers? I also thought it was incredibly awkward
Shift is easier than alt imo
- very easy to accidentally alt tab if you are chain pulling or something depending on what the bind is. Alt MB3 Heroic Leap has been causing me some issues lately 😆
mellow quartz
depends on your hands I guess I alt is 10x easier for me than shift
lone eagle
You just tap shift with pinky
Depends on the bind though
anything right of 5 or G is probably going to be uncomfortable with shift
I have a lot of mouse keybinds so shift + mouse keybind is very easy
mouse keybinds
1-5
other random keybinds
V is for lockgate, R will be for Ravager once we are taking it again
Gonna move Shield Charge to where Fleshcraft is I think
its been my covenant utility button all xpac
mellow quartz
keybinds are just a 'you do you' kind of thing 🤷♂️
lone eagle
I used to have Revenge and Thunderclap on mouse thumbpad buttons but found that it contributed to poor mouse control due to constantly spam applying pressure to it
so moved some offensive options off the mouse
grave crane
I have revenge in 4 thunderclap on f and SS is on R and SB is on E , whatever works best for you
sick sentinel
V and Z are for movement abilities on all classes for me
lone eagle
Z is an important button
lets me unsheathe my weapons to look dope
X is bound to sit on my brew for niuzao cheese abuse
but gets a use on all the other classes
V is for VVarlock
azure ivy
more haste more better.
haste decreases your gcd and increases your attack speed...
Thank you. That is a hell of a breakdown but I get it. Haste all the way.
lone eagle
Haste generally runs true for all the tank specs, for what its worth
Only major exception is Brew, as they do not particularly need a ton for their energy maintenance and their GCD is fixed to 1s. They also get major defensive benefit from Crit
mighty valley
why party frames and raid frames in completely different places
maiden cargo
having a play on my prot war alt atm, feels great! so tanky, but my damage is terrible. what sort of numbers are you guys pulling in dungeons atm in prepatch?
maiden cargo
i'm 278, 272 weapon, doing like 8k only in an iron docks 12 just now
jagged pier
yer I'd expect it to be a little higher than that
maiden cargo
i'm sitting in defensive stance 100% is that bad? the 20% just feels so good for pulling lots of mobs
jagged pier
i mean that only makes a 10% difference in damage output
but u shouldnt need it in pre patch
maiden cargo
anything obvious?
jagged pier
well you for sure arent play correctly with your SS being so low
but hard to tell without logs completely
also sidearms is an aweful talent
maiden cargo
SS? sorry i'm a noob warrior
jagged pier
shield slam
storm shell
wrong build, he speced into sonic boom after shockwave
storm shell
u need unstoppable force rn
jagged pier
u dont
maiden cargo
i went like this
storm shell
yeah...
jagged pier
its not good
maiden cargo
haha ok
jagged pier
we have like 4 in the pins
but really need logs to tell for sure
your builds not helping
but thats not the only issue
im 99% sure of that
maiden cargo
oh and necrolord btw
urban portal
the spec tree is fine
the class tree is whack
though its definitely more the play than the build
severe hatch
Are we definitive on Vigor vs. Booming Voice considering no sims?
strong forum
vigor is ~6-7% dmg gain
booming voice is ~5% + the rage gen (which you absolutely dont need in pre-patch)
and to get booming voice going you need TL, so you spend 2 points to make BV function well
severe hatch
Then we are definitive! Thanks for providing the insight behind it
median tulip
BV also heavily advantages having UF
strong forum
sof + vigor is just outright more damage than TL+bv
median tulip
BV/TL/UF is definitely A Build, IMO
severe hatch
I am thinking that the BV build would come with a slightly burstier damage profile at the expense of overall throughput
median tulip
I am thinking that the BV build would come with a slightly burstier damage profi...
Right now, no
strong forum
at 70, absolutely
severe hatch
Burstier meaning that more of your damage is concentrated into your Demo Shout damage taken debuff window
median tulip
BV/TL/UF is the Carpal Tunnel Syndrome build; it's runs on higher rage generation/cycling via AM to offset the increased number of Avatar/Shield Wall you get from IO
severe hatch
Not that you are legitimately bursting compared to, say, a mage in Combustion
fallow osprey
You don’t say
torn ginkgo
sof + vigor is just outright more damage than TL+bv
this is cursed for anyone who doesnt know acronyms
lone eagle
I did spend a while trying to figure out what SoF was
median tulip
Show of Force and Focused Vigor
severe hatch
Probably need an acronym 📌
torn ginkgo
would be helpful XD
severe hatch
Especially with all the new ones introduced by the talent trees
mighty valley
i don't think reading a big list of acronyms has ever really helped someone learn, you just gotta kinda swim in it for a while
median tulip
Just make sure UF = Unstoppable Force; UnF = Unnerving Focus
mighty valley
UNF
severe hatch
i don't think reading a big list of acronyms has ever really helped someone lear...
The real value is allowing us to passive-aggressively tell people to check the pins
mild flower
Yeah, but having a list to help till you get use them would be beneficial for those of us newer to warrior. I reading this an head is like what??
maiden cargo
does this look better in the spec tree?
median tulip
I do wish bliz had managed to avoid making multiple talents with UF and BV as initialisms
mighty valley
this is standard, yeah
torn ginkgo
the Havoc discord has a really decent acronym helper in their pin
mighty valley
if someone wants to write it up, go wild
but yeah, it's just gonna replace "what's that" "it's blah" with "what's that" "check the pins"
median tulip
the Havoc discord has a really decent acronym helper in their pin
The Shaman Discord has a good one that their bot spits out in response to commands
mild flower
I actually went to the pins to start. I wanted to see what was pinned to help with joining the conversation. I like the links to the builds. That helped with understanding a couple of things
torn ginkgo
does this look better in the spec tree?
are you running a legendary?
timid thicket
Did they Nerf SL content int the pre patch? Been struggling for ages to finish Lower 20 for my last teleport, took a classic break today, logged in and tanked a 22 smooth as butter. New talents feeling really good
strong forum
no
maiden cargo
@torn ginkgo yeah using unity and reprisal (i know i didn't take intervene 😂 )
timid thicket
Even on tyrannical 22 Shared suffering barely tickled me
strong forum
funny enough
shared suffering now does more damage than in SL
so you just played better
maiden cargo
I think it's the perma defensive stance no? 20%?
strong forum
we had more %reduction prior to DF
we had permanent 15% baseline
that got nerfed to 5%
avatar gave 10% DR ontop of that
so if anything, youre par for the course
if you sit in d-stance
maiden cargo
oh, dunno then, keys do feel easy atm though, everyone is doing more dmg maybe that's it?
maiden cargo
my main is dh and i'm hitting close to 30k in keys now, before i was lucky to do 18k
maiden cargo
i'm havoc
maiden cargo
anyway thanks for the info guys i'll reread those pins and watch some more vids see if i can figure this warrior out 🙂
stone condor
i tried to make a build who deals a little bit more dmg but still remains tanky
any thoughts or improvements ?
strong forum
bloodborne is trolling
you rather get indomitable and focused vigor
unbreakable will is going to get removed soon, so i dont see the point
other than that its fine
stone condor
thanks bud
so more like this https://gyazo.com/62f90acecacf4551c40c1c0815e6af96 i mean i have to spec into unbreakable will
dusky holly
We have a good raid build?
strong forum
We have a good raid build?
ive linked several builds in the pins
dusky holly
ive linked several builds in the pins
Goat
uneven mason
We have a good raid build?
Anything that doesn't have "dead" points in it will be functional
dusky holly
Any non-legendary raid builds?
strong forum
all those builds can be played without a legendary
dusky holly
Using the non legendary M+ build for raids now
strong forum
theyre not requirements
uneven mason
Dead points being when you spec into a talent that buffs another talent you didn't take
strong forum
just play the wall build, but put the point from instigate into impenetrable wall
and you gucci
uneven mason
But prot doesn't have alot of opportunity in that area
median tulip
What's the thinking on the synergy between Battering Ram and Instigate?
median tulip
I mean in terms of value
strong forum
the dmg it brings is negligible
hollow sun
@strong forum do you think we will play with ravager in DF? i kinda miss it
steep condor
@strong forum im loving the build you shared
strong forum
I mean in terms of value
impenetrable wall is more rage per sec, but instigate brings a tiny bit of extra damage
steep condor
m+ seismic tanky
and my pug healers are saying im easy to keep up
oh! haven't been to subcreation for ages - seems warriors are popular atm 🙂
strong forum
yes prot is very popular now
tired wasp
oh! haven't been to subcreation for ages - seems warriors are popular atm 🙂
16-33... Is that for DF?
signal sequoia
No it’s for live
hollow sun
oh! haven't been to subcreation for ages - seems warriors are popular atm 🙂
might be a personal thing but i liked it more when it was niche, it had a certain charm to be off meta
signal sequoia
No one is doing keys right now let alone logging them
tired wasp
Yeah, that makes more sense.
lone eagle
I've done probably 40+ keys this week on my warrior
signal sequoia
So subcreation is pulling from a much larger range of data than is really all that useful
median tulip
yes prot is very popular now
tired wasp
I just thought DF when I saw Warriors #1, but I guess they're already using DF trees.
lone eagle
Had a lot of fun doing undergeared keys
did a 26 GD with 277 ilvl (green 226 neck, and a few 233 pieces)
signal sequoia
Subcreation tier lists (not the individual spec data) aren’t normally a good thing to make any decisions based on as they’re usually just popularity contests down to key levels where what you’re playing really doesn’t matter
tired wasp
Yep - now is the time to have fun playing all the tanks and just have fun.
strong forum
i mean that time should be always
lucid bough
i doubt he could that key with that ilvel with many other tanks
brew would get demolished eg
lone eagle
With Brew probably not because its health pool is so small
Could probably do it on my VDH
outer thorn
Yep - now is the time to have fun playing all the tanks and just have fun.
guardian druids:
strong forum
vdh and bdk would be bing chilling
strong forum
bear prolly too
signal sequoia
Guardian is fucking blasting rn
They’re just going to suck in DF when they lose frenzy lmao
median tulip
Guardian is fine defensively. It's just its offensive value is... lacking
lone eagle
What's bear abusing in prepatch atm?
strong forum
venthyr and cache
lone eagle
Just RF + Moonfire godtier damage and key haste?
strong forum
and gavel
lone eagle
ahh cache
tired wasp
Ah well, I had some fun playing my Bear in Shadowlands. Mini-Incarn every pull was fun. He can hibernate for now lol.
signal sequoia
Can do more than 50k overall in lower lmao
lone eagle
surprised they are still running Gavel
median tulip
Bear will probably get buffed to ungodly levels for S2
lone eagle
given that moonfire bear base damage is a lot higher
but I guess Ravenous + Gavel still giga
urban portal
worst case you just swap back
urban portal
yeah
signal sequoia
urban portal
ik
signal sequoia
Big dam
urban portal
It's a weapon, you can swap weapons in keys
you cant swap gavel
or jotungeirr
you can do some offhand magic to pop it out
but you cant put it back on
median tulip
TIL
strong forum
the offhand magic is fixed
pallid quiver
might be a personal thing but i liked it more when it was niche, it had a certai...
I liked being off-meta and strong.
It was a very feel good feeling
steep condor
are we brighter on the nerf radar now i wonder
pallid quiver
Especially since it required actual good play to be strong
otherwise you just died
Probably not in comparison to other tanks numbers wise, possibly on popularity wise
steep condor
from a friend just now "when i play warrior im so strong and its just brain dead. My monk is really making me play with skill on the other hand"
pallid quiver
But pre-release Blizzard works in mysterious ways
hollow sun
from a friend just now "when i play warrior im so strong and its just brain dead...
wut haha
pallid quiver
listen they got, like, more actual cds to press now
prisma crane
a tank being strong doesnt mean it's braindead to play, just like a tank being weak doesn't mean it's too hard to play
pallid quiver
How is someone supposed to handle that amount of thinking?
steep condor
wut haha
he says he feels way squisher in 20's vs warr which makes no sense to me but.. that's what he said.
prisma crane
tanks ARE weaker if you play them improperly, which is more likely on a more difficult tank, but being "strong" doesnt mean easy for sure
outer thorn
right now I feel theres always something I can improve on in my warrior play while on druid I just wait for something to do, Id rather not think about BDK again for an expansion or two
hollow sun
i'm not really an expert at brm but saying that brew is hard to play? 
onyx vessel
But before prepatch we were the most unforgiving tank to play
urban portal
vdh wasnt exactly forgiving either
pallid quiver
he says he feels way squisher in 20's vs warr which makes no sense to me but.. t...
I mean, Brew does, inherrently, take more damage due to how it tanks.
they can just swig good chubks of it away and they aren't ever really in threat of being globalled
urban portal
i would say vdh in 9.2 is about the same as prot
steep condor
i always felt brew was easier as you can react to being whacked after the fact
strong forum
pwar was just always extremely unforgiving
while other tanks are inherently designed to be forgiving in the way they heal/mitigate
strong forum
now pwar just has alot of stuff by itself to even prevent dropping low
by leech and impending victory
onyx vessel
You fucked up as monk in 9.2
strong forum
(and bsv at 70 in ultra content)
steep condor
9.2 fuck up as monk = you were afk
steep condor
i mean im brand new at tanking having been scared of it for many expansions and patches... and i picked up brew and did all 15's two weeks in a row. Just cos it was so forgiving.
lone eagle
Once you know how the spec works, Brew has been pretty braindead since BoC died at the end of Legion
lone eagle
and even then it wasn't suuuuper complex
dense urchin
Brew mechanics just "feel" weird to me.. dunno why
lone eagle
DF Brew though is pretty complex offensively
Just has a ton of buttons in its priority system and multiple overlapping offensive CDs
hollow sun
no but you should bind it to a more comfortable key imo
onyx vessel
Maybe its blizzard trying to break the cycle of meta tank + brew for world 1st prog
urban portal
the problem with brew is that
onyx vessel
Make brew glass cannon
hollow sun
well, whatever is comfortable for you but its useful in certain situations, especially if you are grouping mobs
magic bolt
They're still gonna be good in raid it's m+ where they'll struggle
signal sequoia
Brew is always going to be able to live a larger single than everyone else unless they do some major redesign
urban portal
Brew is always going to be able to live a larger single than everyone else unles...
not on jailer
onyx vessel
Pwarr says you sure about that
urban portal
Pwarr says you sure about that
given any SINGLE hit, brew can always stagger the most
whether they can mitigate most of it is another question
onyx vessel
O shit boss smacks hard
urban portal
if that makes sense
urban portal
under shuffle, brew converts like 60% of the hit into stagger or something
while prot war is not close to that
stoic smelt
hewwo! is there a certain % of damage that revenge should be around in keys? =^.^=
urban portal
its not 55% of it
onyx vessel
0 dmg
urban portal
remember theres a cap
strong forum
revenge should be top 2 dmg
signal sequoia
You’re ignoring that brew has other things on top of stagger too lmao
urban portal
brew is the hardest tank to get globalled
strong forum
at the very least top 3
olive steeple
what is the best way to level 50-60
stoic smelt
at the very least top 3
alright, ty!
urban portal
its just can your healer catch up to stagger
signal sequoia
Our tank this season could consistently tell us when he was 5-8 seconds away from dying every time
onyx vessel
So what still taken purely for raid buffs
signal sequoia
You end up with a big stagger and no way to clear or mitigate it and you then just tick out
urban portal
essentially thats the life of brew
onyx vessel
Not the life of a prot warrior
signal sequoia
But in raid when the question is “do you get one shot by this tank buster hit or not” and brew can just live it and get healed through the staggered dot afterwards they’re chillin
torn ginkgo
is it possible to see in logs if I am doing something badly wrong?
onyx vessel
Take 0 dmg
hollow sun
is it possible to see in logs if I am doing something badly wrong?
usually yes
signal sequoia
Yeah you get two synced vampiric claws on a 32 and just get one shot unless you have wall up
onyx vessel
Die cuz you got globalled
signal sequoia
onyx vessel
Wall with its 1min cd
torn ginkgo
I think I am doing pretty well, but only been playing Pwar this week so I know there is stuff to improve
onyx vessel