Yeah, it's 100% viable and relatively easy to keep actually 100% uptime in combat, which makes a lot of difference in our damage intake even though we were already at like 80% blocked hits in M+
#protection
pallid quiver
reef spindle
Practice and a shit tons of dungeons should help in the long run i guess 😛 Was ilvl 158 4 days ago 😛
sand pebble
Depends on ss buffs, biggest ss crit ive noticed was 106k then add the rage gen its still better to outburst ss imo
mighty valley
if using outburst on SS is the rage difference in keeping banner up vs not, then it's always best
reef spindle
Makes sense
wary heath
is immovable object working correctly? Casts avatar/shield wall with a <4 second duration, enough to get like 3 globals off max
this has to be the worst talent ever
Thought you'd get a 10% avatar for 20 seconds, not a very very short buff, oh well
sand pebble
as small as it might be its extra damage when you use a defensive or some free DR when you use an offensive
when paired with uw (beta version) you get 2 charges of sw and a 30 sec cd and am means you have a significant increase in both avatar and shield wall
thats its power
sick sentinel
if i shield charge > avatar does it work like spear of bastion > avatar where the damage modifies mid air/animation ? or is the damage decided on key press?
silent anchor
Keeping banner up seems easy atm. Had it up for 60% of a 22 yesterday, was fun chaining pulls
sand pebble
avatar is a buff on you
mighty valley
if i **shield charge > avatar** does it work like **spear of bastion > avatar** ...
if there's a delay it should work, but why do you need it to work like that?
strong forum
is immovable object working correctly? Casts avatar/shield wall with a <4 secon...
The point of IO is to get the SW benefit, not the Avatar. It's a defensive talent
Having access to a 4sec SW every 30sec is absolutely gigantic
ebon geyser
when is the legos and tier set turning off? on the 15
ebon geyser
crap... i just dont wanna grind legos or go tru covenant crap
mighty valley
then just wait til DF is released? it's just a few weeks now
or just play, nothing really matters just now
ebon geyser
they should have release the event on prepatch
pallid quiver
i mean, the event's coming with the rest of pre-patch on the 15th
this was to get the entire ui overhaul out to the general player base before just slapping them on the ass and tellin' them "Go get 'em, champ" in a new dungeon
mighty valley
yeah, also just like, the entire ability overhaul of the talent system needed some wider testing
charred ivy
ive been still using reprisal, but if im looking to go seismic for maybe more dmg output. How do the opener look like then defense wise.
ebon geyser
i mean, the event's coming with the rest of pre-patch on the 15th
yeah but i get why some ppl are complaining like yes event will be super short and if it was release now ppl would be burned out already
like i have no motivation to log i just wanted to do something new
ebon geyser
yeah, also just like, the entire ability overhaul of the talent system needed so...
is what everyone is saying but here we are and bears are untouched lol
ebon geyser
arent they still "bad" or did they finally fix em
mighty valley
ive been still using reprisal, but if im looking to go seismic for maybe more dm...
nothing really changes, just make sure you actually press shield block since it doesn't happen automatically
pallid quiver
the only change is shield block will never go down ever if you play right
charred ivy
u will get the rage fast enough i guess cause the TC rend and whatnot? kk ty
gonna make it and test. the build nome put for it is best i guess?
pallid quiver
Go ahead and try out different talents, just make sure to grab the shield block ones to ensure you can get 100% block uptime
mighty valley
yeah it's fine, charge + avatar on pull is enough rage to do everything you need
especially since you're gonna be pumping out UF buffed TCs immediately
charred ivy
sry UF? i still cant remember all names xD
mighty valley
Unstoppable Force, the talent below Avatar
pallid quiver
Unstoppable Force, Avatar influencing talent
mighty valley
yeah, there's nothing really like reprisal in DF
but it's also just easier without it
pallid quiver
well there's shield charge to act as a half-ass reprisal
though only the charge portion
and it removes the need to run out of range for it
solar blade
can one use shieldcharge in melee? it has no minimum yard range in the tooltip atleast
velvet elbow
pallid quiver
i like it more than reprisal because it do damage
novel rapids
<a:CatjamR:743099296580370492>
Sorry for my ignorance but, how do you keep shield block at that value? (new tank here) Thanks
coarse flower
Sorry for my ignorance but, how do you keep shield block at that value? (new tan...
to add on to this, how do you even maintain conqueror's banner to that value as well?
i feel like I'd run out of rage to keep spending
chrome falcon
- press shield slam on cool-down
- press shield slam on cool-down while keeping up bleeds and spending rage
100% banner uptime was possible before the patch, and it’s frankly very easy now
Well
Very easy is an overstatement
But everyone should be aiming for it
novel rapids
2) press shield slam on cool-down while keeping up bleeds and spending rage
When my buff is gone I still have around 4 secs on CD to reuse shield block
sick sentinel
But banner is going away in Dragonflight right?
lone eagle
Heroic Throw build looks giga with Bloodsurge
If anyone is remotely in range they are a rage generator for you via deep wounds ticks
and you can AoE apply it with Titanic Throw
Oh wait, am I drunk
does Titanic Throw not replace Heroic Throw
that's bizarre
chrome falcon
So press shield slam more
pallid quiver
But banner is going away in Dragonflight right?
It serves as good training wheels for playing the class well.
chrome falcon
I mean revenge already applies deep wounds
pallid quiver
If you keep banner up, it means you're playing the class properly
chrome falcon
So it’s pretty redundant to do it with throw
pallid quiver
since banner simply rewards you for generating rage and spending that rage
lone eagle
Not in PvP @chrome falcon
If you're Flag Carrying, you usually don't want to be spending rage on Revenge
jagged pier
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAQBVVVFQEQVAVhlFAEBUNVVE...
im sorry but this build is really really bad
- second wind does nothing as your tanking u will always take damage
2)forthing beserker andcrushing force are some of the best talents we have in the general tree
lone eagle
and getting in range of people isn't always correct since charging sideways is 🤷
This is for Flag Carrying
fyi
jagged pier
- u will never ever need intervene because we dont run rep
lone eagle
in RBGs
pallid quiver
He's specifically talking for flag carrying, which is likely something more for that pvp channel there
pallid quiver
this channel's pretty much default to PvE, so
lone eagle
Fair enough, but Titanic Throw is a bit of a weird talent if it doesn't replace Heroic Throw
sick sentinel
This is a PvE channel. Sharing PvP talent trees in PvE could lead to misunderstandings such as this one.
lone eagle
not on atm so can anymore confirm for me?
lone eagle
True
astral vapor
where can i find the spell reflec spreadsheet for DF?
sand pebble
its being worked on
chrome falcon
Fair enough, but Titanic Throw is a bit of a weird talent if it doesn't replace ...
It certainly used to
sick sentinel
It serves as good training wheels for playing the class well.
I’m sure it makes you stronger now but I think it’s better for a new player to learn a more similar playstyle to Dragonflight.
chrome falcon
The playstyle is the same
There is no “banner playstyle”
You press the button and you spend rage to keep it up
But spending rage is still something you do anywya
sand pebble
haha banner playstyle lawl - legit its 'wear unity and press buttons'
chrome falcon
For AM and outburst
limpid anchor
does the unity effect upgrade with higher ilvl btw?
sand pebble
im still playing nf and playstyle is the same except i have aa bound to avatar for huge burst
pallid quiver
I’m sure it makes you stronger now but I think it’s better for a new player to l...
like
as matta's saying, it's literally the same basic idea
you generate rage and then spend it
that's how prot warrior works
chrome falcon
does the unity effect upgrade with higher ilvl btw?
No
pallid quiver
You generate rage to spend it on damage/surviability, which rolls back into Anger Management to give you more rage gen and damage via avatar
chrome falcon
And outburst
And indom
So yeah I would play identically whether I had banner up or not
pallid quiver
i was trying to keep it as simple as possible but ye
i didn't even mention the shield wall uses
chrome falcon
Banner is basically just a buff that says “you are good at this class”
So when it drops it means you are no longer good at this class
pallid quiver
man oh man we love shield wall being on like a minute cd
chrome falcon
pallid quiver
We're spoiled with having 10/10 funnest tank to play
I'll fight anyone who says otherwise
outer thorn
i migrated here from druid, can confirm warrior is a lot more fun to play
then again, it also means at highest risk for getting hit by the Fun Detected ™ nerfbat
sand pebble
potential nerfs have been discussed at length - there isnt much they can do to 'reduce fun' of pwar because it feels so great mechanicallyt
they would have to change or nerf so many things currently (rage gen and shield block uptime being the main 2) to really effect the spec too much - its damage isnt huge on ST but in aoe with tc/revenge and 3xbleed damage its really hard to tune it
neon fossil
then again, it also means at highest risk for getting hit by the Fun Detected ™ ...
Right now, VDH is looking like they are in the lead to get slapped with a nerfbat before pwar
In beta mythic+ testing, VDH is literally unkillable.
coarse flower
In beta mythic+ testing, VDH is literally unkillable.
sharp night
not even remotely true, warr and dk are just as much so
coarse flower
In beta mythic+ testing, VDH is literally unkillable.
probably the opposite, vdh's are putting very high damage numbers overall but arent nearly as tanky as pwar
nothing is atm
sharp night
testing on 15s isn't even accurate for that, no tanks have any survivability issues
it's always the group dying
coarse flower
if you consider vdh needing to kite as not a survivability issue, then sure
these comments are some hard 
from other classes
or prot wars trying to pretend the spec is balanced thinking blizzard devs are in here
sharp night
vdh doesn't need to kite anything in beta
warrior is in a good spot, bring up the others just a tiny bit, fix bear
sage sail
Hello ! I'm new to war prot. I was wondering is there is a target number where we use revenge instead of exec for low HP during a pack. Any updated number for pre patch?
sage sail
Thx good to know !
cobalt seal
if you consider vdh needing to kite as not a survivability issue, then sure
Maybe for people that cant have banner 100% uptime vdh needs to kite
But overall we dont need to kite pretty much anything
strong forum
maybe a fiery brand enjoyer
fathom turtle
where to get routes from if keystone guru is down? 😦
icy citrus
Any thoughts if ''Barbaric training'' is worth taking for m+?
cobalt seal
where to get routes from if keystone guru is down? 😦
Press w
fathom turtle
lmao
strong forum
Any thoughts if ''Barbaric training'' is worth taking for m+?
its picked in every single m+ build yes
coarse flower
But overall we dont need to kite pretty much anything
prot war praying the spec doesn’t get nerfed
icy citrus
its picked in every single m+ build yes
But what position on tree is true now? On beta is on different position than on Live
cobalt seal
<:SweatPopcorn:997088541903421550> prot war praying the spec doesn’t get nerfed
Who plays pwar
craggy pilot
anyone know if i can do this in LFR?
cobalt seal
I couldnt care less about if pwar is fotm
strong forum
you cant do it in LFR nielsen
cobalt seal
Like i dont see tanks kiting in beta
When tanks try to kite they just die
Because they starve themselves of resources
craggy pilot
anyone have CN Co-tank auras WA?
astral crystal
anyone know if i can do this in LFR?
normal+
ebon geyser
anyone have CN Co-tank auras WA?
go to wagio site and look for causese
or w/e the name is
grave crane
<:SweatPopcorn:997088541903421550> prot war praying the spec doesn’t get nerfed
We’ve played prot during s1-4 of SL so I think we’ll be fine lll
atomic matrix
Hey all, really enjoying prot warrior atm, but when i try to fight zul'gamux his dot almost kills me every time, i try to cycle defensives, but any tips?
strong forum
get dispelled by your healer
thats literally all there is to it
if youre dying to the dot, its the healer just not doing his job
atomic matrix
get dispelled by your healer
They can fucking dispell it?
atomic matrix
What the hell is up with pugs, i don't get dispelled at 2'nd boss in mechagon, and i don't get zul'gamux dot dispelled haha
rip
strong forum
🙂
radiant magnet
pugs being pugs
atomic matrix
Just had a 15 streets, died twice to the dot 🙂 And got told "this fucking group"
fallow osprey
pug lyfe
atomic matrix
still timed it tho
craggy pilot
go to wagio site and look for causese
i checked wago and couldnt find it 🤔
9k overall in M+12, decent or low for a 277 ilvl?
feel like i did more dmg in S3 🤔
craggy pilot
was workshop
strong forum
yeah then fairly within reason
craggy pilot
and im running Seismic
strong forum
well thats troll in workshop
cobalt seal
Badly played reprisal> seismic in work
craggy pilot
even reprisal without Intervene talented?
craggy pilot
oh found it
im dumb 😄
from our current build we will lose Banner, and gain Roar+Shield Charge + Ravager in DF right?
oh and Shockwave
craggy pilot
hmm looks like only thing im missing a button for is Roar then
does Roar line up nicely with Avatar with AM?
strong forum
does Roar line up nicely with Avatar with AM?
its like 50-50
strong forum
not rly
silent anchor
this is what i currently have
strong forum
well ilvl is king
silent anchor
true and real
strong forum
so equip that 288 then
silent anchor
for sure, gonna see what the proc is like
craggy pilot
the proc doesnt rly matter, you cant get block value from anything other than Shield
so ilvl is king
silent anchor
proc for this is nice
silent anchor
the proc doesnt rly matter, you cant get block value from anything other than Sh...
very true
silent anchor
yeah that sounds meh
craggy pilot
considering swapping off UF for IO to spare my underarm from this heavy button mashing rotation :<
craggy pilot
its viable defensively right? but just less deeps
so it doesnt actually make the rotation slower? 🤣
strong forum
not alot no
inland raft
If want a slow apm might wanna look at another tank
craggy pilot
the spec does get 20% slower in DF
huge
astral crystal
still feels pretty fast on beta
strong forum
Well yeh it's still faster then 90% of specs currently in SL
inland raft
What even is lowest apm tank? Brew?
jagged pier
Stop counting moonfire procs in the nome
strong forum
They have a 1sec gcd instead of 1.5sec gcd
strong forum
I'm saying bear and vdh are the slowest tanks...
storm shell
vdh probably
strong forum
Pwar is still the fastest
jagged pier
Fucking rain on phone screen
onyx vessel
Fucking rain on phone screen
jagged pier
Literally
crimson furnace
we all do
onyx vessel
rains pretty good
jagged pier
Cools me down
crimson furnace
just dont sit in it
crimson furnace
jagged pier
frosty locust
All the different tank specs I’ve tried feel very slow rotation wise in the prepatch, idk if it’s just a gear difference or if the extra 5 talent points will make it feel better
mellow quartz
are you comparing them to current m+?
cobalt seal
Slow?
mellow quartz
80% haste with shrouded vs 15-30% on beta is a big difference in 'feel' yes
cobalt seal
Even vdh isnt slow in pre patch
craggy pilot
in Avatar, do i just TC => Revenge rotation? or do i SS when it resets?
crimson furnace
there is no situation where u dont sam that SS
craggy pilot
ye thought so
crimson furnace
huge dmg, huge rage --> lets u do other nasty stuff
craggy pilot
so its just TC => SS rotation, and replace SS with Revenge if SS is on CD
crimson furnace
yhea, these 3 should be the rotation
to own and be the best
to trash all other tanks
and send them back to their mothers womb
lets gooooo
bind them to Q, E and R
these 3 abilites
craggy pilot
and slam Avatar + Demo shout on CD
crimson furnace
for maximum finger synergy
sick sentinel
brez as paladin is kinda legit
mellow quartz
there is no situation where u dont sam that SS
if you pull big in say gambit or lower you can just TC and Revenge and bloodsurge will carry the rage gen.
grave crane
It’s actually wild how much blood surge just pumps
sharp carbon
u guys using reprisal for M+ ?
strong forum
ive been using seismic so far this week
but i think ill just start running reprisal again
or fuck around with signet
mellow quartz
you just dont really gain much from the talent point anywhere else than seismic
well some but nothing major
karmic plinth
or fuck around with signet
do we know if immovable object disables signet like the dps talents do?
deep spruce
Why?
deep spruce
Yeah but not in keys
strong forum
do we know if immovable object disables signet like the dps talents do?
yeah it does
mellow quartz
before they start
deep spruce
Yeah
strong forum
once the gate opens
hard vessel
Anybody else feels like prot just got way to ez to play?
mellow quartz
when the key start you cant change anymore lol
strong forum
Anybody else feels like prot just got way to ez to play?
been saying that for months
but evidence shows
that its still not too easy
hard vessel
Like wtf this spec reminds me more of guardian druid than of shadowlands prot
mellow quartz
pull small and do 1 pack at a time and you wont do good dps, might not be cause they are bad at the spec
just bad a keys lol
hard vessel
Shield block basically feels like it has no CD and 100% just by pressing some random buttonsn
sick sentinel
so, if i run a mythic zero, or LFR, cuz its a raid say
i can still change shit as long as nothings on CD and out of combat
lets say DF M0 or DF LFR
sick sentinel
paladin tank might be really strong in DF
vital sinew
maul good, right?
remote ore
So, I’m a little lost for pre patch talents for prot. I know it’s time to laid back, but I don’t understand why I take certain talents or choose different ones depending on the situation
strong forum
talents are an opportunity cost game
you gotta learn the tree bit by bit to understand whats what
and also gotta understand how said spec is played
to evaulate the strength of the talent
sick sentinel
try things out see what works and what doesn't work basically
strong forum
and you also gotta know the encounter youre about to do, to then evaluate your talents again if they prove useful in that enocunter
steep condor
@strong forum have you made any changes to the No lego build since you put it up? Also are still playing the no shield spec build and are you enjoying it?
steep condor
Is that a modification of the no shield spec build? Im on mobile say hard to see
strong forum
pmuch, but now it does have shield spec
steep condor
Oh!
strong forum
and drops shield charge in favour of getting outburst + ravager
steep condor
I’ll give it a go @strong forum - Should be fine without a Lego right?
strong forum
ye
grave crane
The TC consuming at 7 stacks is kinda annoying
strong forum
pwar can get away with not playing a legendary
we dont rely on it anymore
or get great power from it
steep condor
Anyone know if you can copy action bars from one talent build to another?
strong forum
strong forum
no it doesnt
steep condor
❤️
lyric elm
even Bear if blizz stops dicking around
I think it can basically tank an infinite amount of mobs with incarn so it will see some real degenerate pulls perhaps
Dorki did some insane stuff
steep condor
I wish Dorki was a prot warr main. Love listening to him and growl 🙂
open monolith
Weird
forest cairn
Got a new tank into the raid group today, havent had a prot warr before in like 2 years 😂. Whats there too look for regarding how o can judge if he can play it good or not. Is there certain buffs etc that should xx% uptime and so on?
cobalt seal
Got a new tank into the raid group today, havent had a prot warr before in like ...
dmg done
sick sentinel
pally is goated for dungeon interupts
forest cairn
Damn thats rough. No uptime on mitigations or something? Like pala has
karmic plinth
u can check in logs for blocked hits as well
grave crane
Are you the other tank?
karmic plinth
but dmg done is important
strong forum
the pwar should have 100% blocked hits
and/or close to 100% shield block uptime, but that depends on encounter, if theres downtime obv he wont have 100%
cobalt seal
Damn thats rough. No uptime on mitigations or something? Like pala has
if he is playing his rotation correctly
he is gonna have SB uptime in raid
so doesn't really matter
grave crane
If he dies the he needs to improve it he’s not dying to bosses then he is doing fine
cobalt seal
If he dies the he needs to improve it he’s not dying to bosses then he is doing ...
shit way to see it
"he didn't die, he did his job"
sick sentinel
dose 50% end today?
someone in group seems to think so and what i had heard was till full DF launc
drowsy cairn
clear spindle
dose 50% end today?
Nov 15th
sick sentinel
still that should be easy enough, 2-3 days per toon to 60
steep condor
@strong forum where the heck is that loadout settings ? struglgin to find it
strong forum
strong forum
ya turns out you get enough block uptime with just haste + Enduring defenses in pre-patch
steep condor
ahhh ok
strong forum
some builds still have HR just to make extra sure with block uptime
but generally ED is enough currently in m+
steep condor
will give it a shot 🙂 tough as nails should help to hold agro. I've been losing it a bit using the no lego build
mellow quartz
think on beta right now you can keep block up for 2-2.5min with abt 25-30% haste if you spam SS on cd on dummies
neon fossil
Which trinkets should we get for mythic+ using the Dinar?
strong forum
Rdm, ows, aegis, scars
neon fossil
In that order?
strong forum
Pmuch
Aegis for ultra omega dumbfuck high keys
Scars is huge for dmg
Rdm is just bonkers
And ows is solid
neon fossil
But Scars it pretty hard to utilize effectively?
I heard its also very niche to min-max using it
charred ivy
HR over fray will give me abit more SB uptime?
remote ore
What is RDM?
chrome falcon
HR over fray will give me abit more SB uptime?
a bit?
it's huge
makes it basically infinite
lone eagle
Just checking in case I'm crazy
But the 7 stack consumption on Thunderclap
is actually buffed, right?
It isn't just consuming the 7 stacks and doing nothing with it, right?
lofty widget
it is
lone eagle
Oh snap, so I've been being dumb this whole time
lofty widget
it does nothing and it's a known bug
lone eagle
Thought there was nothing wrong with consuming at 7 stacks in AoE
and it was effectively a free bugged buff
Makes me feel a bit better about my DPS 😆
Doing 15-16k in Workshops atm and I've been consuming at 7 stacks the whole time with Tclap on AoE
at 290 with shit trinkets
(eye of command and stun grenade)
solid glen
Do we use whirlwind at all for... reasons... or is revenge just more worth it?
chrome falcon
unbind ww
strong forum
But Scars it pretty hard to utilize effectively?
its very simple to use
get to 4 runes asap
and when a big pull is coming up, use it to pop in 30sec for disgusting dmg
otherwise just sit on 4 runes
steep condor
unbind ww
Had been wondering about this as I never use WW. Good to know I got that right 🙂
sick sentinel
one thing imm a tiny bit madge about with prot paladin is u have to take BOP before you can take the ting that drops cd for BOSW
sick sentinel
good if u crit with it and those heals crit i suppose
uncut notch
o
strong forum
they are just like they used to be pre-pre-patch
wraith hemlock
Man I missed tanking as a warrior
fathom magnet
does One-Handed Weapon Specialization increase all damage by 5% or just auto attacks?
short mesa
do the legendary effects stack with talents that does the same?
jagged pier
no
short mesa
thank you
short veldt
Can engi brez still be used in m+?
calm phoenix
Yes
lone eagle
Would spell block affect Shared Suffering?
I would assume not, but unsure
Could be worth swapping just for that boss with a quick warlock summon
in higher lowers
ancient reef
is their a soft tier list of tanks so far, what to expect starting df
clear spindle
Everybody is in a really good spot but bear is boring from what I understand.
ancient reef
any of them that no way dont get nerfed
steep condor
What are the best dungeons to hit for a 1h apart form streets and workshop?
strong forum
those are the 2 best 1h weapons
lofty widget
GD has both shield and weapon right?
strong forum
any of them that no way dont get nerfed
pwar is slightly better/easier to perform well on than others
steep condor
thx @strong forum
strong forum
but nobody is standing out like bdk in s3/s4
steep condor
have hit them so many times and never seen one 😭
strong forum
vdh and bear are currently omega strong in pre-patch
but on beta all tanks are pretty well off except bear damage is really low compared to other tanks
people are experiencing that pwar hp doesnt move for the first time cuz nobody of the high rio players has played pwar since BFA
so they all at first thought that pwar is the only tank whos strong af
but if other tanks are played well, they are also pretty immortal and can even do more damage
wraith hemlock
Prot war feels pretty beefy. My poor 280ilvl prot war would get 2 shot on heroic tarragrue on the last phase
This week I just stood there tank and spank like nothing
wraith hemlock
I havent tried other taanks thou
jagged pier
sure
strong forum
well our block did get 30-40% stronger from SL to DF
wraith hemlock
But it was lovely seeing all the blocks
jagged pier
like i tanked tarra for a little once on mythic with CDs and externals not for the whole time in last phase but a bit before prepatch
wraith hemlock
The vdh got 4 shot thou
wraith hemlock
It feels nice to actually be tanky
wraith hemlock
We were. But not as much as we are right now
Which I don't mind
My 2nd tank was bdk so I used that while it was broken as F
strong forum
SB stacks up to 3x duration
18sec baseline, 24sec with ED talented
if you press Bolster, SB duration gets a +15sec ontop of cap
modern brook
Well the penalty in theory is that if it's up when you don't need it you don't necessarily have it when you do but that does not seem to be a problem going into df
sick sentinel
dark iron paladin is to 50 now, can do the heritage tonight
lone eagle
Alright I'm finally starting to get the hang of it now that I know that the tclap 7 stack does not in fact do giga dam 😆
was just a 15 JY but for 292 with non optimal gear and bad trinkets I'll take it
craggy pilot
anyone else having issues with sound coming out the right output?
when i swap the output device in the settings nothing happens
strong forum
sounds like a hardware issue
obtuse scaffold
but if other tanks are played well, they are also pretty immortal and can even d...
Exactly. Let's not nerf anyone and let tanking be fun as hell. More people playing tanks the better!
craggy pilot
sounds like a hardware issue
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/audio-output-device/1379962
found a thread, so seems im not the only one
strong forum
that does seem to be the theme theyre going for
craggy pilot
restarting the game fixed it though
so i guess i have to reboot the entire game when i wanna go from speaker to headset 😄
lone eagle
I just want them to nerf brew damage and buff their baseline survivability
buff magic stagger to ~60% rate instead of 35%, small max hp buff. Nerf Resonant Fists to 4/8% and SCK by like 3%
or put Resonant Fists on a RPPM system so we aren't incentivized to run RJW since its gcd gigacancer atm
then I'd be happy with all tanks this xpac
although bear talents need some work. and them still having a 3 point talent in their class tree is nuts
alpine scaffold
Maybe a stupid question.
Would you spend 30 rage on Rend on bosses instead of the free rend from Thunderclap?
Seems like a waste for keybind
autumn atlas
Nope. You just take it off your bars.
wise adder
got some fine specimens in low m+ my friends
healed a tank who didn't use shield block
alpine scaffold
Shield block is overrated
wise adder
could feel he took way more than a prot should and had to spam shield him
sick sentinel
healed a tank who didn't use shield block
thats a common problem for new players to protection warrior
chilly brook
Shield block is overrated
???
wise adder
i'm not sure he was a begginer, it was a +18 and he spent all his rage into ip
mellow quartz
you could just tc and revenge if you are doing a low level key and pull huuuge
strong forum
this warri is an idiot
wise adder
not a big key sure but not begginer level either way
chilly brook
Oh screenshots
sick sentinel
wtf
chilly brook
Sheeeeeesh
sick sentinel
don't need any more
chilly brook
Homie is brain dead
wise adder
he had a full 6s of uptime duginr last boss of gambit
sick sentinel
what the hell is this guy on about
wise adder
actually funny though
lofty widget
he had a full 6s of uptime duginr last boss of gambit
misclicked 
strong forum
i bet he watched some streamers who also said the same
"only use SB when you feel like you need it"
has to be the worst fucking advice i've ever heard
wise adder
had to do a double take at first tbh
mighty valley
if you're doing the extremely weird flex of never pressing sb, you also shouldn't be allowed to use ip
strong forum
fucking lmao
also one of the worst things to bring as credibility
rio isnt credibility
sick sentinel
having SB up increases your main damage dealing and mian resource gaining ability, by 30% dmg
mighty valley
"talk to me like a lion"
sick sentinel
how could you not want to have it up
sick sentinel
bit of both
new talents far less intimidating when you only get 1 per levle and it switches each lvl up which tree it goes into, doing lvl up, compared to log into lvl 60
forest cairn
is there a way to see in details how many blocked hits you have ?
wraith hemlock
"only use SB when you feel like you need it"
Good thing I feel like I always need it
vapid lake
Anyone else sad they're removing unbreakable will? I understand it's incredibly OP as is, but damn it was nice group utility. Wish they wouldve changed how it proced instead of just removing it completely.
hazy sluice
Cannot decide for a Horde Race ....playing solely m+ and Just prot
strong forum
im glad its gone
we already have rally, intervene, a ranged stun, an aoe stun and a fear
stable flower
@hazy sluice Tauren is the right answer at all times
strong forum
for horde m+ only vulpera is likely still best
hazy sluice
Which one adds the least amount of extra Work CD wise?
vital sinew
2nd hearth is the best racial
strong forum
the best passive race is probably...
its between vulpera or tauren
vulpera gets a 40y targeted heal that can crit for decent amounts and huge passive dmg absorb when you start a pack
tauren gets 2% crit dmg and stamina but has a too large model, fucks up your camera view
outer solstice
the best passive race is probably...
gnome gnome gnome 🙂
strong forum
well for horde specifically
hardy mesa
Why does execute have a CD?
strong forum
you specced back and forth between fury and prot
prot execute isnt supposed to have a CD
hardy mesa
I went between arms and prot, not fury
hardy mesa
Okay, thanks
crimson mural
Out of curiosity... which race has the biggest shield model scale?
astral crystal
tauren
crimson mural
and which race in alliance?
jagged pier
human female even after they scaled their weps down have pretty big ones compared to body
chrome falcon
human female even after they scaled their weps down have pretty big ones compare...
we're still talking about shields here, right?
jagged pier
anything fmale humans had over scaled weps till like wod?
astral crystal
we're still talking about shields here, right?
lol
jagged pier
no they fixed it there
lone eagle
Sick; was worried that they might just not fix it for a while or something by the time we're already in S1
the more I deal with it the more it annoys me
I assume the beta patch will go live with Dracthyr as the second part of the prepatch
spice cedar
ooh right saw that
"hunderclap consumes Seeing Red at 7 stacks without benefitting off of Outburst" still a bug right ?
jagged pier
yes
lilac minnow
anyone know why when I look at other prot warrior's talents on raider.io some seem to have 26-28pts in the general tree?
strong forum
bugs
lilac minnow
was what I was thinking too but better be sure, could be something in pre_patch I missed
strong forum
every website has to adjust on how to display shit
so i wouldnt look too deep into it for a while
pallid yarrow
ITF or HR for m+? With seismic leggo
strong forum
you can get by with ITF on prepatch
you have enough haste + enduring defenses to maintain SB long enough
pallid yarrow
That’s what I was thinking is smarter. 100% uptime sounds nice but probably not worth losing all that haste
mellow quartz
Alternating between prepatch and beta fucks with your head lol
The difference in feel due to the haste disparity is pretty noticeable.
People are in for a shock the first few weeks of DF after being used to current play style.
grave crane
Gonna be a slower play style I assume at least till we get more haste
That’s how it is every expansion though the start is different from the previous end and people are in for a rough patch while they expand into the current tier
mellow quartz
Just because it’s ‘always like that’ does not mean everyone remembers it or will enjoy it. This time around though it’s much better than usual expansions as most of your power level is front loaded.
Especially coming from a seasonal affix that gives your such a huge haste boost.
lofty widget
preference
sick sentinel
which leg is go to for m+?
It's up to you to choose. Be free my little bird.
wheat zenith
Either Reprisal or the wall right?
stable valve
rep, wall, seismic, signet
Is signet working with IO?
sick sentinel
anybody know what’s going on with the readycheck/countdown panel? It’s not showing up in party but works fine in raid
strong forum
IO overwrites signet
stable valve
Figured. That’s be interesting if not
Wasn’t sure if they’re “different” enough where it’d slip by
waxen cradle
So the consensus for keys right now is the seismic leggo is the go to got keys right now yeah ?
Nvm I remember now, and yeah running seismic until launch in keys
mystic sleet
How u guys let revanger reach First place overall
I can Fight the Button and its third place at Highest
steel mist
naowh is going back to prot warrior hmmm
grave crane
Cringe
cobalt seal
at least naowh can press buttons
torn gulch
Would a macro that has both Shield Charge and Heroic Leap look like this:
#showtooltip
/cast [target=target,harm,exists,nodead]Charge;Charge
/cast [@cursor] Heroic Leap
silent anchor
Why would you want that?
torn gulch
to not have 2 different buttons for it
i already have two macros covering 5 abilities on 2 buttons
warrior have a lot of buttons as it is
i am actually thinking of not playing shield charge at all in DF
you just have too many abilities at this point
limpid anchor
Wait can you leap if you have a target tho
torn gulch
yea that was what i was thinking
mellow bridge
have you tried using more keybinds
torn gulch
i have close to 30 already
limpid anchor
Unless you are an amputee just get an extra keybind lol
No way you need 30 already
Unless you bind all your mounts
pallid quiver
You _could have the charge just be a mouseover and the have Leap and that should work, but I'd rather just have two bindings
I've got more than 30 on my end
I think Nome said he's got like 48 or something once
limpid anchor
Having them together in and way is just a fuckery waiting for Johnny
mellow bridge
idk
torn gulch
compared to the other tanks
mellow bridge
prot warr has way less than e.g. brm
limpid anchor
Idk I’m fine with 30 including pots, extra shit and talents that I can’t even have simultaneously
torn gulch
I can probably put shield charge on CTRL F1 but that means i have to move my stance buttons
kinda meh
limpid anchor
Extra binds for marks etc on more difficult to reach keys
mellow bridge
is ctrl your only modifier
pallid quiver
There's also Ctrl and Alt, as well as Shift+Ctrl
limpid anchor
Qertsfgxcv 12345 *3
torn gulch
bear with me that i was a clicker until a short while ago so it is relatively difficult for me
to handle so many binds
limpid anchor
So 45 easy keybinds
mellow bridge
macros like that will just hinder your gameplay imo
dusk hill
mousewheel up and down are invaluable
mellow bridge
it might be difficult for you to find a new keybind atm
but it just takes a bit of practice to get used to
limpid anchor
Oh you even have f keys, that makes it even easier
torn gulch
or i can combine defensive and battle stance in one button
torn gulch
yea i'll just do that
mellow bridge
yea you can def combine the stances
torn gulch
i have a macro covering charge, intervene and victory rush on F1, heroic leap on cursor on SHIFT F1 and shield charge on CTRL F1
so i have covered my movement stuff
limpid anchor
So you have a wa for victor rush cd,?
torn gulch
i do
it will be impending victory in DF
most likely
and sometimes i might not use intervene
smoky dock
@torn gulch Have you macro your health pots/stones to one macro? and just macro str pot/trinkets to a cds like ava?
torn gulch
trinkets are separate to one button each
hp and healthstones are separate
combat pot is macro-ed to avatar yes
DF might have more than one combat pot tbh i have to see how i deal with that
limpid anchor
Why would you Macro stone and pot together
limpid anchor
Ye ye I mean Shane
torn gulch
ah ok
icy citrus
sorry to interrupt..
does someone know, were there any rage nerfs last few days mby?
smoky dock
Hmm why would you not just prioritize marco to use healthstone first and then health pot? never had a problem with it.
Just a suggestion works for me if it doesnt work for others that fine
smoky dock
Lol have always rather use stone first then pot but yes
viral flume
fueled by violence talent working atm or no? pins says no but im not sure if its been updated
torn gulch
So the way I have stuff with buffs and pots is the following:
I have a OPIE circle with flasks/phials and buffs (battle shout), invis pot etc
Then combat pot macro-ed to avatar on 1
Trinkets are on F9 and SHIFT F9
Then Healthstone on CTRL F8 and HP Pot on CTRL F9
something like that
limpid anchor
Lol have always rather use stone first then pot but yes
Can you link the macro pls
smoky dock
@viral flume Fueled by violence works I believe but Ignore is just better overall
@limpid anchor I would if I could get on pc
limpid anchor
Eh it worked for me today
smoky dock
When i get back on I can link but sure you can find one online
torn gulch
wouldn't the macro just be a cast macro with healthstone and whatever hp pot we use?
limpid anchor
Ah it’s an popular one? Ty
smoky dock
@torn gulch pretty much
limpid anchor
Cast sequence would always try to use the stone first even if you have none no?
jolly granite
Spellblock a good chocie if people kick poorly in upper kara at medivh?
jolly granite
I do
limpid anchor
And other cds if needed
jolly granite
but healers struggle + dps dont kick properly
torn gulch
#showtooltip
/use Healthstone
/use Cosmic Healing Potion
jolly granite
and dont do mechanics^^
mighty valley
if people kick badly at medivh tank damage is the least of your troubles
everyone's gonna be frozen
toxic geyser
Hey, I’ve made an IP weakaura which changes colour based on remaining absorb value so I can eyeball peripherally when to refresh. However it seems that in order to set a threshold for it to change colour I have to manually input a value (eg. >= 50k etc) I want it to show for. Is there anyway to change it to work off of % rather than a fixed amount?
torn gulch
medivh on pugs is a lot of the time a complete shitshow
jolly granite
yeah if frozen the dont get their mates out
it´s so annoying
dont know why it is this bad this weeek
mighty valley
lots of people probably trying new classes/specs etc
toxic geyser
And returning players this week
limpid anchor
That’s why you always check Rio
torn gulch
yea peeps don't give that much of a shit for offseason keys they just want to check classes and specs
so you'll have a lot of failed keys
or suboptimal play
limpid anchor
So play higher keys is kinda the solution I guess
torn gulch
oh yeah always
people tend to be better of course not all the time but the majority of time
and always try to get a constant group or a guild
I am lucky I have a guild which is very very active on m+
mighty valley
same, I don't have to live these pug woes
torn gulch
we've done literally thousands of keys split between our guild members
with guild groups or majority guild groups
with how strong m+ gear is in SL i expect my guild to go into a frenzy
with keys
it seems we have a scale equivalent on first raid boss in DF
like every tank will probably want that
cobalt seal
it seems we have a scale equivalent on first raid boss in DF
it's a better scale
because it actually does dmg
and does more
torn gulch
is has two instances of damage
when the fire wave goes out and comes back in
but i don't think the shield value will remain like that
it is very strong
cobalt seal
that trinket prob getting nerfed by 50%
torn gulch
that shield on the normal trinket was higher than the health pool
kekeke
nevermind the mythic one
halcyon dust
I struggle with keeping conquerors banner up, are there specific abilities I should be using to keep it up? I aim to spam revenge and ignore pain, while weaving in shield slam and thunder clap.
candid path
those are the ones to use
it requires spending +17 Rage/sec to maintain indefinitely
that has gotten harder with the removal of tier sets, I wouldn't worry about it too much
halcyon dust
those are the ones to use
Thanks dude! I appreciate all your videos. I'm making the swap from prot paladin to pwarrior next xpac
candid path
Good call!
halcyon dust
that has gotten harder with the removal of tier sets, I wouldn't worry about it ...
Good to know, perhaps I'm not doing as poorly as I thought.
I usually get up to 20s, then just do key sales.
candid path
Nah, I've had struggles some of the time, too. If you're using Reprisal and keeping Charge and Intervene on CD, and using the rest of your kit and not capping Rage at any point, you're doing fine
the fated raid affix that increases your time scaling can make it particularly difficult to maintain
halcyon dust
I'm currently rocking the Wall legendary, using the pinned talent tree. Will rewatch your warrior video tonight
candid path
can't remember the names of any of those, but yeah, you need like 120 APM or something to keep it going during that one
Sounds good! Wall Legendary is pretty forgiving, and more representative of how the class will play in Dragonflight, tbh.
halcyon dust
I would clarify: I do M+ only, no raid
candid path
gotcha
pallid quiver
I struggle with keeping conquerors banner up, are there specific abilities I sho...
You should actually aim to spam SS and TC while weaving in Revenge and IP. Your goal is to generate rage first
You should never prioritize revenge over SS when it comes to rage gen due to wasting procs for SS which, if you're having trouble maintain banner, means you're having issues with rage gen
halcyon dust
gotcha
I just don't have time to dedicate to set days/times for raid. I'll continue to buy from your guild 😉
candid path
that is true, and especially if you're using The Wall, you'll want to always prioritize getting that extra Rage value out of Shield Slam
pallid quiver
IP is used to prevent overcapping on rage, which should be fairly often, especially in AOE if you're using Bloodsurge
halcyon dust
I'll take a look after dinner. I've literally done 4 keys on my warrior this expansion.
Will focus on prioritizing SS and TC, weaving IP/Revenge.
candid path
that's true, it is kind of creating a bad precedent for the way you will use it in DF, but for now you definitely want to hit it quite a bit so you can burn up all that Rage
the philosophy of how you want to use it will remain the same -- use it to prevent capping Rage -- but the amount of Rage you'll have to spend on it in Dragonflight will go down by... about as much as you're getting from Banner and Legendaries
so 4/sec from Banner and 1/sec from Wall or ~3/sec from Reprisal
halcyon dust
Lol, tell Sunset I say hello
I relate sotr to IP, aim to keep 100% uptime and use it as the holy power/rage dump?
candid path
Barbaric Training in the class tree can help if you're really struggling to dump Rage. Not the most efficient talent if you're low on Rage at any point, but if you're overflowing, it's good.
mighty valley
"IP Uptime" isn't really a concept you should worry about, SotR is a little more analogous to shield block
candid path
sorta, Shield Block is more the SotR equivalent, but yeah, once it's taken care of, IP is a safe Rage dump
Sunset says hello back!
pallid quiver
Yeah, if you ever are at a point where you have trouble fitting in revenge, grab barbaric training. It's actually a loss in rage efficiency, but it saves GCDs which Warriors are starved for and will kinda continue to be starved for
mighty valley
Not sure if it's the same in beta after we lose banner and legendaries, but rage in keys is pretty bananas with bloodsurge right now
pallid quiver
We still have decent rage gen, especially in AoE, but we're definitely not as overflowing
candid path
Taking Barbaric Training is a drop in Rage efficiency, but an increase in damage per global, so it's genuinely just a choice: am I high on rage or low on rage? Take it if high, drop it if low.
pallid quiver
GCDs for revenge are hard to come by due to UF, though
candid path
We still have decent rage gen, especially in AoE, but we're definitely not as ov...
Yeah, that's how I would put it. If you're doing double and triple pulls, you have a lot to play with. If you are doing single pulls, or you're on a boss, feels a bit light on Rage.
pallid quiver
if you ever need more rage, just pull like three more packs and tell the healer to adjust :L
candid path
Basically, yeah
wicked plank
Hey guys, sorry to disturb ya, I would like to know which trinket I should buy with dinar ? (a bit late, but playing warrior since it's stronk :D)
sick sentinel
Great guide btw @candid path 
candid path
Thank you!
pallid quiver
Hey guys, sorry to disturb ya, I would like to know which trinket I should buy w...
OWS if you're concerned about the immediate timeframe if you don't have it
candid path
Hey guys, sorry to disturb ya, I would like to know which trinket I should buy w...
Old Warrior Soul, Shard of Annhylde's Aegis
pallid quiver
RDM if M+ for damage/some defensiveness
candid path
Only downside to OWS is that it's borderline useless for leveling
pallid quiver
Scars for damage is good, too
candid path
Yeah Reactive Defense Matrix is great
pallid quiver
That's the default go-to for M+ prot, yeah
If you get spooked on being ine shot or are planning to do dumb stuff, Aegis is amazing
candid path
Yup, I would agree.
wicked plank
And as for soulbind ? Saw on bloodmallet heirmir, on wowhead marileth, hmmm ? 😄
sand pebble
Scars leveling?
mighty valley
Scars will probably be fun for a few levels, pull big while prepping a big final rune explosion
sand pebble
I was thinking of sitting on 4 runes and nit using 5th until big pull
pallid quiver
Heirmor according to old sims did more damage, but it wasn't by much and the utility of Marileth is very strong, so I recommend Marileth.
of course pre patch could have messed with that, so do as you please @wicked plank
wicked plank
aight, thanks !
hybrid peak
Tried running scars for leveling, while good if you can pull it off, the timing on the 5th rune feels aids. And sitting in the slow rune feels aweful.
sand pebble
Weak aura looks fine, i personally use one that shows ip or not and my sb one shows nothing when sb not up (so press it) then shows time remaining - popping sb twice adds to time and ss extends - it caps at 24.5 secs and you get a charge back before it drops so i use a charge of sb if under 14 secs and i dont really have to think about it (reprisal atm)
What you have might be peefect for df though
mighty valley
I'd drop the buff expiry part of the IP weakaura
sand pebble
Well it shouldnt ever trigger
mighty valley
It's fine to track how big it is, and the "your rage is high, press now" is fine if you find that helpful
sand pebble
Id be pressing ip at 70 rage
mighty valley
ideally you do it with a bit of nuance, knowing how much rage you've got incoming and can know whether pressing IP might starve yourself of revenge rage
but yeah >70 rage seems like a reasonable starting point
mighty valley
yeah, there's nothing magical about having the IP buff up vs. not so uptime doesn't matter, it just saves you a number of points of damage
sand pebble
Treat it as a rage dump imo
Have it /s calm down bro you look angry at 80 rage or somethinh lol
sand pebble
I bound it to tc and its perfect outside of avatar spam
sand pebble
I know
Best practise for that is go necro and single target dummy
Get 100% uptime on banner and sb for 10 mins
You will learn incoming rage on st
Then in aoe you will have more rage
maiden ravine
I'm gonna miss Ancient Aftershock so much
sand pebble
You know what im going to miss more than that, soulshape blink for raid mechanics
forest fern
thank you whoever make stance macro!
sacred flare
any one got a clue on this one yet https://www.wowhead.com/item=194306/all-totem-of-the-master?bonus=7979#see-also
waxen orbit
Is Brace for Impact worth building up Shield Slam for?
Like, building up the full 5 stacks?
@strong forum @ionic fern
Defensively or offensively, of course. Either way. I just want to know if building it up to a certain point is optimal, and at what point should you stop giving a shit about the buff?
sacred flare
another question does Storm-Eater's Boon make thundercap etc range attacks https://www.wowhead.com/item=194302/storm-eaters-boon?bonus=7935
cobalt seal
another question does Storm-Eater's Boon make thundercap etc range attacks http...
Does that matter for tanks
Because mobs should be around you
sacred flare
no not really just thought it would be cool
cobalt seal
And tc radius is already pretty good
sacred flare
Proboly would not work on tc would probly only work on ss
sand pebble
Is Brace for Impact worth building up Shield Slam for?
its a rolling buff, you dont have to worry about building stacks for it - you press ss on cd
waxen orbit
Except in AOE situations, you don't want to hit SS on CD
Unless something has changed
Because that'd be inting hella on trash packs
sand pebble
imagine not generating huge amounts of rage via ss to dump into revenge+ip to get avatar back faster for more aoe damage
waxen orbit
Right except in pre-patch we already have ridiculous amounts of rage gen
Am I mistaken? Is it really that different from last patch that we now spam SS off CD in multi-target situations?
And by multi-target I mean 6+ target pulls in M+
I'm asking genuinely
sand pebble
i think its tc during avatar at 6+ targets for pure damage and outside of avatar you press ss
sand pebble
but ive had a 106k ss so i press it regardless
urban portal
and you dont wanna do napkin math
sand pebble
^^
wary heath
Are there any min max passive profession bonuses or anything in DF that matter? JC gems, special enchants or anything. Having trouble finding what specific bonuses profession gets. If any now
sand pebble
the choice isnt between tc and ss though - the choice is between ss and revenge
waxen orbit
No I was asking about TC or Rev
In AOE
Because S1-S3 I was churning out giga dam overalls by just ignoring SS in AOE unless tier set outburst
So I’m just trying to clarify if it is that same situation now
mighty valley
it seems even more like that now
waxen orbit
Keep in mind I am 3 keys into this pre patch and new rotation
sand pebble
you get so much value out of ss, rage, prio damage, shield block extension
punish, brace stack
mighty valley
during avatar, I think you're fine to basically ignore SS at ~7+ targets or something
and TC is actually good now, in late s3/4 there were a lot of times you just skipped it for revenge to keep spending rage
waxen orbit
and TC is actually good now, in late s3/4 there were a lot of times you just ski...
Ya you’d deadass never press TC unless there was literally nothing else to press
Or to slow spiteful
And that was it
Huge shift
Any idea on when sims may be out? I don’t ask that with any pressure btw, I understand how technical that shit can be to set up properly
sick sentinel
alternative idea about unbreakable will, is like its unchanged from today except to get the dr buff you havs to be in a cone or line behind the warrior while sw was up
radiant magnet
examining just dmg, assuming rage gen isnt a concern at that moment - general rule. TC on 6+ outside Avatar, TC on 4+ w/ Avatar, otherwise SS
sick sentinel
then its not as broken you dont just hit sw and everyone has the buff
radiant magnet
and always TC if Rend isnt rolling
waxen orbit
you get so much value out of ss, rage, prio damage, shield block extension
Yeah but like
Our rage
Is fine
And you're ignoring the damage you're just passing away
waxen orbit
examining just dmg, assuming rage gen isnt a concern at that moment - general ru...
Word word. That sounds right
sick sentinel
i think the other thing they are changing it to , 30s less cd, thats good with am
sand pebble
16 gr, ss on cd and in avatar i usually tc > ss > tc > revenge > tc > (ss if reset revenge if not) and i burn every bit of excess rage i have back into ip or sb - not perfect play, i am playing nf though so i dont have to think about banner and i use aa for stun (no shockwave) or burst damage
waxen orbit
Oh so that's why you're looking at rage differently
waxen orbit
Why NF?
sand pebble
soulshape and im still leveling adventure table things - they at 58 and i want them to hit 60 before df launch
sick sentinel
i wonder if uw is a problem itself or because we also have rally, seems like you could do alot with good use of those 2 terms of surviving
sand pebble
i can tank as nf in keys at 20 with zero issues and im done pushing rating tbh