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lime palm
low kindle
is indom working properly? it's doing pretty low rn compared to before
was previous indom stronger?
sand pebble
less hp than before and the amount of damage we arent taking is a thing
lusty grotto
damage doesnt really matter
median tulip
I need this
novel temple
How’re the pre patch sims right now?
lusty grotto
no APL atm
novel temple
Cause I was wondering what our best dps trinkets are currently
lusty grotto
not sure if mwahi or nome are working on it either
amber turret
There is no talent that replaces Reprisal? Except for the one linked to Shield Charge (45s CD)
lusty grotto
no
amber turret
but this is compensated how?
amber turret
whats ED
amber turret
how about SC vs Ravager
lusty grotto
what about it
amber turret
pro cons
lusty grotto
ravager is more damage in aoe situations
amber turret
even with the longer CD?
floral falcon
hey can I get this weakaura
lusty grotto
yeah
amber turret
if they dont move out of the area
amber turret
nor SC or ravager?
lusty grotto
at least in the build im running now
amber turret
could u link it?
lusty grotto
yup
short kiln
Finally got to play with my Warrior and tank some keys tonight.... Is Love too strong of a word? I don't think it is.
amber turret
do we use WW in rotation?
lusty grotto
no
short kiln
This is disgusting and I'm so here for it.
amber turret
this feels like the spec with the least buttons I've played so far 😄
novel temple
I feel like we don’t. Need indom
With BV and thunder lord I’m keeping up banner without needing reprisal really
But that’s like on the single target raid tank dummy
I also got to 106 stacks of the buff too
Oh and unstoppable force with avatar
cinder nova
Banner uptime isn't really an issue now.
It's more about what kind of damage you can do while you maintain it.
lusty grotto
I feel like we don’t. Need indom
yeah thats why i dont use it
healing isnt really needed at least right now
or i should say, more healing
novel temple
Unless 👀
All healers go dps buils
But also I feel like we can tank in battle stance
At least right now
lusty grotto
yeah
novel temple
Or stay in defensive stance and use the runes stuff
amber turret
With BV and thunder lord I’m keeping up banner without needing reprisal really
what did u sacrifice to get Thunderlord
novel temple
Suddenly death
lusty grotto
we'll see how that changes next week
lime palm
this feels like the spec with the least buttons I've played so far 😄
Veng is fewer. Guardian is fewer.
lusty grotto
being fort week and all
sand pebble
ill link weak aura when its made
novel temple
amber turret
Suddenly death
Ah i was playing show of force on that node
amber turret
Veng is fewer. Guardian is fewer.
Havent tried those, just feral, WW and havoc
novel temple
i actually wanna compare
devastator slgith return to OG talent
to bloodsurge
bloodsurge is a no brainer for anything over two targets
but also will that damned court of stars ring become BiS again with devastator since it started working differently now that it wasnt just auto damage %
lusty grotto
yeah ive been wondering about it
sand pebble
didnt they nerf the ring, ilvl with correct stats will win no matter what
novel temple
I hope they buff instigate though
so it becomes bloodsurge aoe with instigate single target
wet bough
I'm trying to prepare for when we don't have reprisal anymore (partly just cause i hate playing that legendary)
lusty grotto
most of us arent using it
frank hemlock
YO
wet bough
and i'm wondering if we'll be able to keep up shield block 100% without spamming shield slam on aoe cause of heavy repercussions
frank hemlock
I ddnt know massacre changes your animation to condemn animation
lusty grotto
without spamming shield slam on aoe? how are you gonna generate rage?
frank hemlock
now im 10 times more sad execute sucks wtf
wet bough
im often hitting shield slam instead of revenge when nearly capped for uptime cause im dropping shield block if i dont constantly keep hitting slam at every opportunity i get, but sometimes i stack a 25 second shield block out of nowhere
lusty grotto
I ddnt know massacre changes your animation to condemn animation
massacre is the condemn implementation
so it makes sense
lusty grotto
im often hitting shield slam instead of revenge when nearly capped for uptime ca...
it will be possible with SC and bolster
frank hemlock
massacre is the condemn implementation
im so happy they're keeping it
but now im so sad it fucking sucks lmao
wet bough
ah true i remembered sc but not bolster, makes sense
lusty grotto
but honestly
im not sure why youre focusing so much on SSing to extend
you still need rage for IP/rev to pop VO
which translates to bigger aoe damage
so you have to keep SSing
its true that bloodsurge gives a buttload of rage as well but
that doesnt mean you should stop generating it
jagged pier
Its prepatch
wet bough
idk i just keep seeing everyone's damage breakdowns be quite different to mine so i'm trying to figure it out
lusty grotto
it kinda sounds like youre not using rage effectively
and focusing too much on when to SS
for SB
you shouldn't ever be capped for a long period of time, revenge or IP right away
IP is off gcd, use it
all of that translates to damage due to AM and VO
wet bough
yea im using ignore pain a lot, im thinking maybe too much
lusty grotto
that might be a problem in itself
wet bough
so im always focused on getting the next thunderclap out to gen more rage and never focusing on damage with revenge
wet bough
slamming as much as possible is just a necessity when the shield uptime isnt there cause bad chaining or kiting or having to pick up my pugs stupid ninjapulling for the 5th time D:
wet bough
i was focusing on correcting the wrong thing i think, i'll see if that works out
jagged pier
If u log a few keys we can see what your doing, then we would be able to give more solid advice 🙂
wet bough
i appreciate that, prot is my favorite alt but i don't get to run it all that often cause i dont like raid tanking so i don't commit to it, but if i do some more ill try to remember 😄
lone eagle
Finally got some haste on my pwar
thank god
was rocking 19% ish haste base from gear for this whole prepatch so far
solid minnow
yea im using ignore pain a lot, im thinking maybe too much
all you need to do is maintain uptime on IP and only use it when it is about to expire. you shouldnt be spamming it. same goes with shield block. rest of the time just use revenge/shield slam to dump rage
lusty grotto
all you need to do is maintain uptime on IP and only use it when it is about to ...
thats not accurate
if he has VO, IP uptime does not matter
def should not be spamming all the way to 0 rage though, but he shouldn't be waiting for IP to drop
hell, even if he doesnt want VO, he wants the AM CDR
solid minnow
having VO or not doesnt change what i just said
solid minnow
100% uptime on IP
lusty grotto
uptime on IP does not matter
its about using the rage for seeing red and AM avatar/wall resets
and right at this moment... banner uptime
solid minnow
uptime on IP does not matter
so you just let IP drop off for no reason at all ?
solid minnow
because you dont want to press it once
marble cipher
That's not what he said
wet bough
you're missing the point, it's not about letting it drop, it's about letting it stack up despite having a decent amount of absorb left to utilize that rage and feed it to anger management
lusty grotto
do you see the yellow letters?
wet bough
and seeing red
lusty grotto
you do not
ever
wait
to use IP
the only reason to wait is if youre gonna drop sub 30 rage
that yellow highlighted part is the part that is wrong
"ONLY use it when it is about to expire" <--- This is wrong
correct Trax
mighty valley
you just do all your normal stuff
and if your rage bar is getting too high to spend with revenge/execute?
press IP so it doesn't hit cap
that's generally enough
solid minnow
and if your rage bar is getting too high to spend with revenge/execute?
if my rage bar gets too high, i dump on revenge/execute
mighty valley
you should be pressing those to fill every GCD already
solid minnow
i hit ignore pain to keep it up 100%
solid minnow
you should be pressing those to fill every GCD already
yes
mighty valley
uptime doesn't really mean anything on IP
you never hold IP because you already have it up, you still want to press it to prevent overcap because it fuels outburst/AM
lime palm
You push IP as much as you have to. You push Revenge the rest of the time.
mighty valley
but it's by far the least efficient thing you can be doing with rage per point
solid minnow
You push IP as much as you have to. You push Revenge the rest of the time.
100%
mighty valley
i can't remember a time in the last three seasons where i've thought "i'd better not press revenge to make sure i have rage for IP"
wet bough
yeah i switched from ravager to outburst and focused more on revenge from the hard focus on thunderclap (could've been better still) and i went from 13k dps last time i did this dungeon to 18k so that was huge
lyric elm
Yup it's mandatory
hazy sluice
Read that prot is super spammy atm. Coming from DK/DH will i have trouble ?
limpid anchor
Pressing a button every second?
lusty grotto
wdym by super spammy
median tulip
Protection Warrior has always been high APM
lusty grotto
giga high apm
hazy sluice
Idk ppl saying they cant Play it because their Hand hurt
median tulip
I wear a wrist brace while playing, NGL
lusty grotto
well they're not wrong
limpid anchor
Seems like those people are 70 and have arthritis
You can even use hold to cast now
lusty grotto
im a boomer and i dont have problems with it
lusty grotto
You can even use hold to cast now
the fuck?
limpid anchor
What
lusty grotto
what is this terrible advice
tame ledge
Should i be using seismic for m+?
lusty grotto
yes
limpid anchor
How is it terrible. You just spam it anyway :D
lusty grotto
no, you dont
lusty grotto
do you ahve high APM on pressing revenge? what even is this
frosty roost
Hey, just a question, can the Prot. Attumen soak solo? And if so how do you do it.
hazy sluice
I mean i spam anyway with each class for spell queuing.
lusty grotto
spamming revenge is not how you play prot
limpid anchor
Sad
limpid anchor
Depends on the key level
limpid anchor
Lost
lusty grotto
you just said depends on key level
limpid anchor
Yea
trim bay
i swear i dont even press sb any more
limpid anchor
Tbf i haven’t run 25s-30s
lone eagle
Yeah, prot warr really isn't that bad
trim bay
increases IP damage
limpid anchor
How about a cast sequence
trim bay
😄
lusty grotto
do you know what outburst does?
lone eagle
its high ish APM but its not the worst of the tanks
limpid anchor
Revenge tc revenge
lusty grotto
congrats you've dropped your SB
lone eagle
Atleast not in terms of pain
Brew probably slightly lower APM but feels schizophrenic with a 15 button priority system
lone eagle
Prot Warr is mostly a few particular keys alternating between eachother
strong forum
I reckon pwar is still king cuz ofc ultra haste
lone eagle
And is very rhythmic
strong forum
Most cpm I've had so far in a key was 94
sick sentinel
Mine is always over 100 because I spam my spacebar 🙂
jagged pier
Well same but that doesnt count 
icy citrus
hey guys, need little help here. how often should we press ignore pain in m+?
since i feel it as big dmg loss when i press it too much over revenge in packs
lusty grotto
whenever youre about to cap
or will cap with an outburst SS
during LS with UF
you can probably use it a lot during UF'd LS
trim bay
just spam it
lusty grotto
UF is unnerving focus conduit or talent in case you're wondering
trim bay
nah you wont really rage cap spaming revenge when its not free
but for single target you will need to use it a bit
urban portal
It’s slightly harder to rage cap now
But it’s still very possible
Free revenge is such a relic of the past
graceful cobalt
we play with necrolords or kyrian now?
tiny crater
Necro for min max, kyrian if you want something that could resemble dragonflight
lusty grotto
not sure why people think we're gonna be spearing in DF
but seems very common i guess
graceful cobalt
ok thx
graceful cobalt
atm i am necro
lusty grotto
good
graceful cobalt
on wowhead i read kyrian we can go also and with new talents it´s harder to hold the banner up
errant scarab
does any build on the list resemble what we will use in df?
graceful cobalt
ok thx. now i must only find the best talents for me
actually i feel so weak ( max 10k single dps and 25k on aoe with 302ilvl)
jagged pier
on wowhead i read kyrian we can go also and with new talents it´s harder to hold...
If anything its easier to have banner
Like a lot easier tbh still a bit of a challenge on ST but in aoe its easy
graceful cobalt
yeah on single i felt it was shorter up ( only tested on raid)
cobalt seal
In m+ you just bank banner from aoe
You can easily leave packs with 30+s
Making it ez to keep banner on st
graceful cobalt
i will try later on m+. but have to find the right taslents for my playstyle
spark mural
Wowhead guide recommends reprisal or the wall for legendary, but I see some using the seismic leg. ? what would you recommend for sub 15-20 tanking
spark mural
I did. Can see different builds for different legs.
autumn pendant
👏
spark mural
Yep I get that, but my question was what would you recommend for that level of content. But I guess the answer is "doesn't matter pick anything of those three"
oblique garnet
Pretty much
spark mural
I just dont really know what would be my preferense, since i've never played with any of them
I guess Reprisal would entail leaping in and out of packs to proc it
lofty widget
can just put on seismic and forget about it tbh, its probably the most dmg
oblique garnet
i just have wall
sick sentinel
it is at low level the build sr
sick sentinel
i was outdpsing many players around lvl 30-50
oblique garnet
sick sentinel
some of them didnt have heirlooms
spark mural
yep, the wall seems a more def. oriented
oblique garnet
the wall is also a talent now
yeah only reason im playing the legendary is because of the aoe shield wall
sick sentinel
except for bleeds ive been using the left and middle of prot tree
sick sentinel
im doing bleeds and revenge and shield slam/block stuff
round current
is the most damage build one from the pins up to date?
cobalt seal
likely?
trim bay
If anything its easier to have banner
This is correct. I would have 70-80 percent with what I call perfect game play for my skill level pre patch now I have 90-100 with relative ease. Same for SB up time with no reprisal.
mellow quartz
Sorry but that is funny. “Perfect game play for my skill level”.
That can fit anything really. “I suck but I have perfect gameplay for sucking”. “I am the best in the world and have perfect gameplay”.
grave crane
how do you even quantify 70-80% perfect game play for your skill level?
mellow quartz
He said he had 70-80% banner uptime at his skill level pre- prepatch.
grave crane
ah it seems i misread that
mellow quartz
shadowmoon burial grounds is a wild place dungeon
chrome falcon
Oh is SMBG up now
I haven’t done that place since wod but I’m pretty sure it fuckin blows?
cobalt seal
First boss is a complete shitshow
mellow quartz
first boss heals by 40% when add hits him
cobalt seal
The void mobs suck
cobalt seal
Last boss is a joke
mellow quartz
can be slowed by dk frost though
chrome falcon
Lmao
mellow quartz
the very first pack you do is kinda wild tank damage
chrome falcon
Blizzard is really good at lots of things !!
cobalt seal
Or jump over and take 40% hp
Hmm
Hard choice
The void mobs are likely to get nerfed
First boss likely to get nerfed
Rest of dungeon seems mostly fine
With some tuning here and there required
mellow quartz
mob just needs less hp or walk slower
mellow quartz
well if he walks slower as a fix then increase timer 🙂
cobalt seal
The walking isnt the main problem pretty much all specs have ways to stop it
The hp is the main issue
Even if it walks slower the boss still fucks you while you killing the add
The boss simply has too much area denial
If you get a unlucky spawn on top of swords
You just call it
trim bay
That can fit anything really. “I suck but I have perfect gameplay for sucking”. ...
ahh ok. so 80 percent banner uptime means i suck?
cheers mate
i was simplying say i was at 80 now im easily at 90-100.
but ty for your feedback
cobalt seal
ahh ok. so 80 percent banner uptime means i suck?
he didn't really say you suck
trim bay
it was implied
last crest
anyone knows when Afenar will update warrior UI ?
cobalt seal
it was implied
kinda wasn't, the way you said the quote was a bit ambiguous that could lead to both phases he said
chrome falcon
He was saying you suck and also that youre perfect in equal measure because “I am good for my skill level” is a slightly odd thing to say lol
80% last patch is perfectly fine
proud patrol
which stat are you guys choosing in m+ right now? im going haste but not sure whether i shouldnt go crit for dmg
lofty widget
yeah crit would probably be more dam
chrome falcon
You can go crit for meme dam yeah
fluid shard
Trying to do somewhat of an hybrid of the Seismic basic build but adding a little more damage without sacrificing too much defense (i'm not doing big keys, mostly in the 10-15 range). What do you think of this?
gonna test it a bit, just thought Thunderlord+Booming Voice would be a nice add
lofty widget
swap indom for focused vigor tbh
fluid shard
oh i could also do that yeah
grave crane
it was implied
He was saying how funny he thought your comment was not that you suck
lofty widget
looks fine other than that imo
mellow quartz
@cobalt seal ok so finished it, wtf are those 2 big void guys before last boss
like who thought that was appropriate.....
mellow quartz
we killed them on a 15 fort by dragging them back to 3rd boss room and chain spawning on them
🙂
2nd boss damage
I wasnt even trying but apparently SR does some damage there.....
don't even know what I reflected lol
some kind of dot
and here I thought SR on the last boss in AV was good
this is what does insane damage if you SR it looks like
freaking nutty
abt 2.8m damage to the boss per SR......
on a 15
minor helm
pallid yarrow
I only do M+. Recrafted leggo to seismic. I see the PINNED seismic build recommends into the fray instead of HR - i was surprised. Tried that on the dummy. I couldnt seem to keep up shield block at all time. Am i just a baddie or is it NOT 100% up time?
chrome falcon
if you don't take talents for SB uptime then you won't have 100% uptime yeah
but it's a damage build
not meant to be super tanky
grave wedge
With shieldblock having more uptime. Im assuming thats why im so much more beefy feeling now, has anyone moved away from defensive trinkets wondering if its worth running solea`s or remote guidance over RDM
grave crane
Defensive trinkets weren’t even necessary during SL, so they’re definitely not needed now
craggy pilot
you could run without defensive trinkets before as well
ember tangle
very few offensive trinkets do more damage than rdm tho
guardian dps trinket, jailer trinkets maybe, the earthquake trink from halo
lofty widget
psure only scars beats rdm in m+
craggy pilot
RDM?
matrix?
ah
pretty sure Phial and Sac did more dmg back in the day, but dunno now with Fated raids being a thing
was always so jealous i never got a Matrix myself 😦
ember tangle
you can't get a good ilvl phial now
craggy pilot
no but Sac is possible i assume?
ember tangle
and i am not sure sac does because of loss of main stat
lofty widget
sac has no mainstat so thats def not worth
phial at 278 was around 450 dps, rdm still did more backthen
ember tangle
effect is good but strength is gooder
sick sentinel
https://www.wowhead.com/npc=75829/nhallish#modelviewer this guy in shadow moon is who they are talking about incase ppl wanted to know
craggy pilot
is KSM Season 4 mount still obtainable?
grave crane
Think so yah
oak echo
yeah until launch
oak echo
you can pretty safely do 15s at that ilvl
sick sentinel
i wouldn't put it off any longer if your wanting to go for KSM
oak echo
yeah you'll have to get as many of your tyran keys done this week still and then slam out the fort ones next week
sick sentinel
today is the day
craggy pilot
yesterday you said tomorrow
just do it
should i do it as Arms or Prot tho? i have 0 clue about any routes in any of the dungeons
sick sentinel
all the players that are good and only want to do ksm for mount and move on, have quit doing ksm
probably on other farms, making the pool of players you can play with smaller
craggy pilot
how does fated raid work? is all raids open currently?
sick sentinel
all 3 raids all bosses all are fated at same time, yes
craggy pilot
ah and for the mount i need to do all bosses i see, cant just skip to the endboss 😄
fuck
Carcinized Zerethsteed was from Curve Season 3 right?
normal cedar
guys, do we ever go ravager on level 70?
mellow quartz
yes
normal cedar
ok, need to adjust my WA then
craggy pilot
From heroic jailer
normal heroic jailer, or fated heroic jailer also works?
cobalt seal
guys, do we ever go ravager on level 70?
you kinda should use it at 60
cobalt seal
maybe you should copy good builds
mellow quartz
running sudden death in m+ is kinda trolling
oak echo
which is under the raid section
you don't run reprisal in m+ atm. i mean you can but there's no reason to anymore
that being said, running ravager at 60 is also troll for what you have to give up
normal cedar
i see
lofty widget
dropping indom+outburst for rav is prob worth purely for dmg
oak echo
the build you linked is fine just swap sudden death for show of force and pick up seismic reverb if you're not using that lego
pallid yarrow
For rav It’s trading dmg for survivability. If tried both. Prefer the tankiness for now. Maybe do different if you have a dedicated / trusted healers
oak echo
fair
normal cedar
the build you linked is fine just swap sudden death for show of force and pick u...
i exactly did this.. this is LeMike's Build
with reprisal
pallid yarrow
Always thinking about if exchanging some of my dps for potential bigger pulls is worth it
lofty widget
we're taking like 0 dmg regardless atm, so just go as much dps as possible
normal cedar
im wondering why we take violent outburst instead of booming voice? maybe because we have unlimited rage and are spamming revenge -> more violent outbursts?
cobalt seal
i exactly did this.. this is LeMike's Build
lemike isn't really a rolemodel for pwar
pallid yarrow
I’m not taking violent outburst until the bug is fixed.
cobalt seal
(or any tank spec)
normal cedar
(or any tank spec) ... well, he was one of the best bdk
who are you?
@ cromation ?
lofty widget
cobalt seal
if you mean he is good at running dungeons
I will give you that
all he does is play "where rune" and "bb to refresh debuff"
normal cedar
and who are you?
trail glacier
holy shit is this the real cromation?
trail glacier
mellow quartz
man who tuned these 3 new dungeons they released....
or rather who didnt tune them
oak echo
regardless of how high his IO was, i'd be careful about just doing w/e streamers do. unless you're also doing 33s at which point i question why you'd need to copy anything in the first place. not to say it's not a starting point you can use, but don't just like switch to w/e he's doing without understanding why
trail glacier
nobody
dw, m+ will totally be tuned in time for release and keys being open 2 days a week isnt an issue 
mellow quartz
cobalt seal
smh
cobalt seal
pwar is weak against dmg
mellow quartz
that is amage
mellow quartz
literally 1 shotting whoever it furtest away every time 🙂
trail glacier
mellow quartz
cant even stack in melee
mellow quartz
they clearly didn't even playtest them once themselves
jagged pier
pwar is weak against dmg
cobalt seal
<:detective:912341312907378689>
it's also really hard to keep 100% uptime on SB at lvl 60
jagged pier
:nodders:
cobalt seal
it's like you only need 2 talents? for it to have 100% uptime
sick sentinel
gottta go run more botanica, to get BE rep, but whoever said that, easily the best method
lost canyon
did they remove shield wall for the entire party on beta?
astral crystal
yes
jagged pier
yep as me and nome said dont get attached to it was very likely it was going away as no other tank had anything like that
sick sentinel
i wonder what they will change it to then
jagged pier
its changing to 2 stacks and reduced CDR of 30 secs
so u will default pick the wall now
scenic path
I’m not taking violent outburst until the bug is fixed.
I made a WA that yells at me to not TC at 7 stacks.. seems to do the trick lol
proud patrol
is the salvaged mekacycle shielding shield form junkyard worth it?
sturdy sable
Its a Shield
Itle beat out lower ilvl but similar its worse
Youd still use it over lower ilvl shields
I ran a 298 one for most of season 4
sick sentinel
i don't think the cdr was part of it, but wasn't there something else that gave SW a second charge
jagged pier
is the salvaged mekacycle shielding shield form junkyard worth it?
if its your highest ilvl shield yes, any other shield at the same ilvl is better
proud patrol
great ty!
sick sentinel
oh oaky, so UW always had the extra charge, but they are just changing it to a CDR thingy now
as for "no other tank has this" AMZ
stone condor
For prot warrior and kyrian covenant with which guy should i play
mortal brook
mechagnome
stone condor
no i mena covenant guy
stone condor
and which soulbinds
sick sentinel
some of the (df) shields look really cool
mortal brook
and which soulbinds
lost canyon
why did they get rid of the party shield wall
chrome falcon
because it was utterly broken
jagged pier
because it was very very strong and no other tank has anything like that a 20% DR on 30 seconds cd
chrome falcon
like hilariously ridiculously broken
if they were going to keep it in, they'd need to give every other tank something similar
jagged pier
which means prot warrior would be mandatory in m+ and raid
chrome falcon
even if prot warrior was a "weak" tank it would be the best in the game
just for group DR
jagged pier
☝️
mortal brook
It would be obnoxious cuz theyd design around tanks having it
Like dragon soul tank 4p
sturdy sable
because it was utterly broken
The amount of ppl who try to argue the reverse tho lol
cobalt seal
Thats just people who wanted a ez invite to groups
And then they would press sw like 2 times a key
grave crane
It would have made any other tank a non pick cause they don’t have a 20% DR every 45 seconds due to IO and AM
chrome falcon
with haste+a tier set that generates rage you'd probably have like
50% uptime on the SW buff on the party
by end patch
silent anchor
wasnt D stance 20% reduction on dmg taken?
silent anchor
oh
its reduced in pvp
opr switched rather
10% reduced damage taken, 20% damage done
oblique garnet
Thats the same as in pve
chrome falcon
no it's the other way around
chrome falcon
10% less done 20% less taken
silent anchor
opposite
silent anchor
lol fair
mighty valley
I guess I should play IO/UW in raid today just to say I did it once
faint chasm
going off wowhead, why do we take ravager for st but not m+?
sick sentinel
because it was utterly broken
the entire party gets 25% DR to all for 8 seconds, and AM exists, can't see that being a problem
torn ginkgo
just out of interest, who here is actually using it until its removed?
craggy pilot
anyone know what happens to Anima when DF releases?
torn ginkgo
probably nothing, but you can currently convert it into mats
it will stay about because of transmogs/mounts etc being farmable
sick sentinel
no idea, can probably farm it in SL and continue the bases there
craggy pilot
ye was just wondering if i should spend it all on mounts now if it would disappear
sick sentinel
i think it would be unsual and cruel if they did that
just completely uproot the system we spent last 2 years on because new comeout
craggy pilot
if i wanna spam out 15s for KSM before DF, and i know 0 routes, should i do it as Prot or Arms? 🤔
Prot sounds very unforgiving since i guess people will assume i know the routes
lofty widget
nah not really
drifting fable
either, probably doesnt matter
severe hatch
You could learn the route before doing the dungeon
sick sentinel
yes just hold W and go with the flow
orchid mortar
also in junkyard?
Junkyard 15 is so easy route does not even matter if you have good DPS
craggy pilot
just kinda scared i wont even know which way to go as ive never done these dungeons before 🤣
but also i probably dont do enough deeps for a 15 anyway 🤔
sick sentinel
all junkyard is, is you go in solo to see where the bot is, and then youre either going king or gunker, you never go the middle boss first basically
lofty widget
junkyard looks very weird when looking at MDT
go straight to gobbamak, follow road to bondos yard then head to last boss area
should get you 100 % before last boss like that
15s are a joke currently so shouldnt have too much to worry about
craggy pilot
ah ok
sick sentinel
gobba has potential to be scary on tyranical when people don't do the charge the electric towers
orchid mortar
ah ok
If you run around in a +15 as Prot is feels as if you are unkillable with defensive stance atm
mellow quartz
gobba has potential to be scary on tyranical when people don't do the charge the...
should try and avoid charging the towers so you can pad more and get more bloodsurge rage 🙂
short nexus
is it just me or is blood surge insane in keys. Like 5+ mobs and im rage capped the entire time
mellow quartz
things play slower on beta as you dont sit at 80% haste all the time
but yes its very good
short nexus
yeah thats fair
sick sentinel
im working on a dark iron pally actually
got about 2 weeks to level 3 allieds to 50/60, proabbly 60 see what happens
im all about the heritage crap right now
round current
why does my execute have a cooldown ??
barren geyser
does it give you rage?
round current
no
sand dirge
do we only play necro in m+?
havent seen anything else in higher keys
trying to get a solid build for the +25 range but cant find much on warriors
maiden stag
new to warrior, currently level 56. Just picked up unstoppable force. During avatar am I just spamming thunder clap and revenge?
lofty widget
yes, at 6+ targets and if you have the rage for that
maiden stag
cool thanks, didn't know TC did enough dmg for that to be a thing
strong forum
It does then
maiden stag
tyvmn
mighty valley
it's buffed a lot by UF, and show of force is also basically always up in those aoe situations
oak echo
why does my execute have a cooldown ??
it happens if you switch from venth arms back to prot before switching to necro
round current
how do i fix it?
outer thorn
anyone have a prot warr m+ log from dragonflight to link? wanna look some things over
craggy pilot
anyone EU up for some Fated raids or some M+?
toxic pewter
theres no real player power linked to professions anymore generally
there a few perks here and there still though
exotic summit
so it is normal then 🙂 I`m just surprised
craggy pilot
in M+ if im Kyrian, is Ravager more dmg than Violent Outburst or nah?
jagged pier
perfectly normal
cobalt seal
in M+ if im Kyrian, is Ravager more dmg than Violent Outburst or nah?
Well first problem is being kyrian
craggy pilot
Well first problem is being kyrian
thought Necro wasnt good without Reprisal in M+?
lofty widget
necro is always the best, you just dont need reprisal to keep it up 100% anymore
sick sentinel
is there a fix for shield wall to group talent not working?
craggy pilot
necro is always the best, you just dont need reprisal to keep it up 100% anymore
aha, thought kyrian was good with Seismic 🤔
lofty widget
nah kyrian+seismic was just for low keys
cobalt seal
Yes
lofty widget
^
craggy pilot
If you are doing 10s
15 sounds low as well tho
ill try with Kyrian, since Banner will be gone soon anyway
mighty valley
people need to learn how strong a 20% strength buff is
honestly necro is the closest to how DF prot will feel since it doesn't actually add an ability
(it is just busted though)
ember tangle
4 free rage per second matters tho
craggy pilot
honestly necro is the closest to how DF prot will feel since it doesn't actually...
we will have Spear in DF tho, so that is same same
mighty valley
doubt we'll ever take spear
craggy pilot
tru
craggy pilot
should TC be higher up than this maybe?
silent anchor
whats that from
autumn atlas
Do professions matter at all for m+ environment
Engineers will be able to get two tinkers or whatever they’re called which will in practice mean they can get battle Rez AND invis instead of just brez. And CoS still has buffs tied to different professions. You’ll probably always want an alch or rogue in the group if possible.
silent anchor
this is my 21 GD
lusty grotto
should TC be higher up than this maybe?
sidearm and spear :\
craggy pilot
sidearm and spear :\
what should i take instead of Sidearm?
lusty grotto
the question is more what are you not taking to take sidearm
craggy pilot
i just swapped back to Necro
lofty widget
barbaric training
craggy pilot
the question is more what are you not taking to take sidearm
i took off Seismic since i thought its not working with the lego
echo egret
I am planning to take Shockwave in my M+ build, what’s Sonic Boom worth ?
lusty grotto
i assumed he had barbaric
craggy pilot
is Endurance Training not worth?
mighty valley
I am planning to take Shockwave in my M+ build, what’s Sonic Boom worth ?
it makes you want to press shockwave on cooldown, which sort of defeats what shockwave should be good at
and stun DRs the entire pack
lusty grotto
so are you not picking 1 handed spec and/or wild strikes?
craggy pilot
i dont have Wild Strikes no
i have basically the build from wowhead
but ill move it to Wild Strikes
but then what do i take instead of Sidearm?
lusty grotto
well idk wild strikes might not be necessary
craggy pilot
Overwhelming Rage?
lusty grotto
avatar + UF?
craggy pilot
i have those alrdy
mighty valley
wild strikes is more shield slam resets
lusty grotto
yea
lusty grotto
i take OR for sure
craggy pilot
BkEAtml4yL3PsSlRlqnvTeVx4LgAAAAASSSkkQSLpkgSBRgQRCUSSAAcgQLkkACEJAAAAAAAABAAlG
i have this now
lusty grotto
so yea its good so you dont cap on giga hits
craggy pilot
2/2 in OR?
lofty widget
nah
lusty grotto
1 is fine
craggy pilot
or maybe i could take Pain and Gain
lusty grotto
sure
hushed copper
hey! new to prot ... do we ever use whirlwind or slam?
lusty grotto
no
lofty widget
hushed copper
ahh ok
lofty widget
but no
hushed copper
thanks!
craggy pilot
i feel like revenge zust better
but in low lvl there might be a reason to WW/Slam, depending on gear
lofty widget
craggy pilot
but just to learn the rotation dont worry about WW/SLam at all
craggy pilot
nome added that to pins
kekw 🤣
mighty valley
slam is a button you press before level 10 when you actually become a prot warrior
ionic fern
3*
mellow quartz
Imagine remembering which level you get which abilities.
craggy pilot
do you get talents before lvl 10 now?
mighty valley
no
mellow quartz
Not for slam
I actually have no clue when/how you get abilities now
Haven’t leveled anything that low in so many years lol
mighty valley
mystery solved - you generate rage with shield slam and spend it with regular slam
ionic fern
Imagine remembering which level you get which abilities.
Jeah, wild.
mighty valley
and! you can use whirlwind for that sweet sweet level 9 aoe damage
craggy pilot
why my execute has CD 😮
craggy pilot
im in m+ 😦
lusty grotto
try changing stances
mellow quartz
You are in m+ but asking questions on discord 🤔
sick sentinel
Just relog mid key, no biggie
reef spindle
I'm fully new on warrior tank (Used to tank on Brew and BDK). I'm 282 Ilvl with just whatever i could find (285 fusion wep/291 shield). Just did my first 20 & 21 on the warrior tank, but what would you guys think should be a good dps overall? Only did 10,6 in Grimrail20, and 10k in 21 ID. Still focusing on survivng and learning the class but i see you guys doing 20k++ 😛
lusty grotto
that's half of what you should be doing
closer to 20k
10k is super low
youre not ilvl capped so around 17k more or less
up the weapon
reef spindle
Not sure what i do wrong then. Maybe to few buttom smashing.
raw void
what professions are you guys going to run at the start of DF?
lusty grotto
or get a sawtooth blade and up it
lusty grotto
Not sure what i do wrong then. Maybe to few buttom smashing.
probably not playing correctly
hard to say without logs
ebon wren
He’s 282ilvl and y’all expecting him to do 20k. I don’t think so. 10 is just fine and he’s completing 20s
reef spindle
I dont have logs, but ill try and gather some for next time we go. This is the damage break down of the 21 ID and my current build. The run was done in defensive stance.
mighty valley
he’s asking for advice, ilvl isn’t going to double his damage
ebon wren
20 points of ilevel is a massive increase in dps. Could easily double his current
lofty widget
you can do a lot more than 10k at 282 so why shouldnt he aim for that?
ebon wren
Ya but saying he’s super low is not considering his level
mighty valley
If you can spec for 100% sb uptime you can happily stay in battle stance til really high keys, that’s a big jump right there
craggy pilot
wait what? do we just sit in B stance? 😄
ebon wren
Stance is only 10%
reef spindle
i have like 95% uptime on SB. Running with reprisal legendary.
waxen orbit
@shut summit
Yo
G
DM me or post publicly your raid talent set up and M+ set up
For talents
drifting fable
mighty valley
If any tankbusters scare you it’s easy to flip into dstance for it and then back out
ebon wren
I rarely even have dps in my 20’s pulling 20k dps lol.
mighty valley
Think I’d expect more TC damage when you’re running UF
Can also go seismic legendary to save a point since we’re flush for rage and sb uptime in keys rn
reef spindle
ill make it tomorrow
cobalt seal
I rarely even have dps in my 20’s pulling 20k dps lol.
He for sure will get better with that advice
You being really helpful
ebon wren
That wasn’t advice. Does my every comment have to be
ebon wren
I never even gave him any. I only said he’s doing what I would expect. Even better than
K I’m out. You guys have a skewed perspective if 10k at 282 is ‘super low’. wtf.
mellow quartz
Didn’t Ion say at one point that their general goal going from tier to tier in an expansion was for each ilvl to be abt 1% damage.
cobalt seal
ion says many things
pallid yarrow
You dudes bothering with intervene (with no reprisal) ?
lofty widget
nope
stuck rock
You dudes bothering with intervene (with no reprisal) ?
Nah
pallid yarrow
Cool thx
ember tangle
is there a talent that gives execute a cooldown?
lofty widget
for arms/fury there is i think
oak echo
no. guessing you went venth at some point. it bugs out prot execute
ember tangle
i was just raiding before in prot and it had a short cd
and i can't recreate it now
and i was in prot spec
ok it happened after swapping from arms to prot
oak echo
ahh i thought it was tied to venth but yeah just tried it and it's just any time you switch between the 2
ember tangle
relogging fixes it but reloading did not
oak echo
yeah
cobalt seal
more haste more good
lofty widget
affix gives % haste so it gets better the more you have
craggy pilot
ah ok
mellow quartz
You will only hit the gcd cap at 100%
craggy pilot
in ST with Avatar, do we use Violent outburst on TC over SS?
high night
would you ever chose ravager over Violent outburst in m+
for rage gen or is outburst better
lofty widget
in ST with Avatar, do we use Violent outburst on TC over SS?
with UF you outburst tc on +4 targets during avatar, +6 outside avatar
for max dmg
mellow bridge
would you ever chose ravager over Violent outburst in m+
nope
not in prepatch
and in DF you have both
high night
so what your saying is violenmt outburst is way better than ravager
half flicker
Hey guys can someone explain the difference between Spell Reflect and Spell Block? Does the latter block all spells in that time?
mellow bridge
so what your saying is violenmt outburst is way better than ravager
yes
mellow quartz
Hey guys can someone explain the difference between Spell Reflect and Spell Bloc...
Spell block is just like regular block but for spells.
mellow bridge
Hey guys can someone explain the difference between Spell Reflect and Spell Bloc...
spell reflect can completely negate one spell (and do damage with it)
or it reduces magic dmg by 25% against e.g. dots
spell block is like block as alyrion said vs spells
but doesnt work vs dots
half flicker
Is it a chance to block like usual?
mellow bridge
spell block will be a super situational pick
i think if you have SB up, you will guarantee the spell blocks as well
mellow quartz
When you have shield block or spell block up its 100% chance to block.
For things that are blockable obviously
mellow quartz
Which is why your regular block chance is a bit pointless on war
high night
can you criticly block spells with spell block
craggy pilot
Spell block is just like regular block but for spells.
oh wow, thought it was Spell Reflect for everything while it was up
mellow bridge
that would be nice but nope
high night
that would be actually broken i think
mellow quartz
oh wow, thought it was Spell Reflect for everything while it was up
It’s block not reflect 🙂
craggy pilot
Spell Reflect for all spells but reduce the duration would be rly nice
5 sec of full reflects
or something
mellow quartz
14s of mass reflect would be wild lol
high night
prots broken enough im getting rdy for the nuke
craggy pilot
well its 20 sec now right?
craggy pilot
1.5min CD 20sec duration
mellow quartz
The 14s was from an earlier build I believe.
high night
did they "fix" spell reflect damage on beta to some of the dungeon bosses
mellow quartz
Fix it how?
high night
idk it was very high like doing 2 million damage
mellow quartz
People usually talk about Unstoppable Force but can be both.
proud patrol
Gotcha, thanks
mellow quartz
idk it was very high like doing 2 million damage
mellow quartz
Was from this morning so…
high night
un "fixed"
mellow quartz
I doubt it will go live like that but we can hope I guess.
high night
lmao would be nice
craggy pilot
looks like none of the materials are worth anything on the AH :<
woven trellis
is there really no better leggo than reprisal now that we already have almost perfect uptime on SB?
woven trellis
sorry if my question was unclear, ill rephrase it
What is the rational behind telling people reprisal is the best leggo on the guide
now that we have maximum SB uptime anyway
mighty valley
some parts of the guide are just outdated
but also there's not a huge difference right now
wearing seismic or wall lets you run a build closer to what we'll be doing in DF
patent osprey
mighty valley
this is true
mellow quartz
wearing seismic or wall lets you run a build closer to what we'll be doing in DF
Wearing seismic would have the opposite affect really as it would make you take another talent where you would pick seismic in DF. You still have to spend the same amount of points to open the last third of the tree.
mighty valley
wall and seismic are moving one point elsewhere while if you keep reprisal you'll want to redo a lot of the block uptime talents
sick sentinel
Going from class discord to class discord, I've established people are gonna really struggle with being open minded with talent trees. Saw someone that insisted they couldn't weave as druid because they couldn't take any of the talents because the guide said to go X.
stone condor
so people still testing builds like there is not only one build right you need to adapt to the ingame situation like trash week or boss week
sick sentinel
This first week of Pre-patch has proved lots of people that can't adjust lol.
mighty valley
yeah, everyone talked about how they wanted a tree to make "meaningful choices" and then immediately comes to the discord to ask for one perfect build
such is the way of game design
stone condor
so i need to use m brain and think for myself ? fml...
sick sentinel
Doomed.
stone condor
kill me already
sick sentinel
DF worst expansion guaranteed.
pallid quiver
meanwhile ive got like 5 trees
stone condor
pallid quiver
10
sick sentinel
Build your forest
stable valve
ashen jug and jug confirmed don't stack right?
sick sentinel
it could just be that im dumb but i don't fully get hpal yet lol
mighty valley
if you ever see a cast bar, you're fucking up hpal
at least that's my understanding
you hit guys to generate holy power and use that for your cool heals
rustic pagoda
the caster build for HPal is actually half decent to play. idk about numbers yet, have to wait until DF proper probably
mighty valley
i love punch healers personally
probably wouldn't play mistweaver if rising mist didn't exist
stable valve
what's the crit % for 278 ashen juggernaut?
slim zinc
They didn't
Tooltips are bugged but you can test anyone of them and find it's just the tooltips
slim zinc
ashen jug and jug confirmed don't stack right?
They shouldn't, if they do it's because of a bug, if that will get fixed is anyone's guess 😄
undone verge
does itf do more dmg than heavy rep?
pallid yarrow
does itf do more dmg than heavy rep?
The experts here are saying yes
brave badge
Is fueled by violence (50% healing from deep wounds) bugged in the talent tree? Not getting any healing from it in details.
Edit: Searched and found that both the conduit and talent are indeed bugged, in case anyone else scrolls up before they post.
sour yoke
Is Ashen Juggernaut useful in M+? (I think its only for raiding, as off tank)
pallid quiver
Is fueled by violence (50% healing from deep wounds) bugged in the talent tree? ...
We also have a listing off all major known bugs in the pins, as well, thanks to Nome
tender hollow
If I have 10 targets, and I thunderclap once to apply rend to 5, and then i thunderclap again on the same targets will it prioritize rending the non rended targets OR just go 5 closest?
outer thorn
about what is the avg cd on demo shout when you have unstoppable force and thudnerlord?
radiant magnet
If I have 10 targets, and I thunderclap once to apply rend to 5, and then i thun...
based on beta testing, it applies to the non-rended first - refreshing existing rends if less than 5
pallid quiver
While I have a talent tree with roar talented, I've decided that I ain't using it; I want to treat it like a new ability you get from levelling up in the xpac, since I haven't gotten a legit feeling like that from WoW in years if we discount Classic.
That being said, have fun yelling at people
sand pebble
If I have 10 targets, and I thunderclap once to apply rend to 5, and then i thun...
Its in pins, it puts rend on all targets
pallid quiver
wouldnt be the first time
pallid quiver
Though I think the intent is for what the toooltip says
Time will tell if they leave it or not
outer thorn
a guardian talent was bugged only giving +10% arcane damage when it was supposed to give +30%, rather than fixing the talent they changed the tooltip so it only gives +10% now 🙂
limpid pawn
which prot weak aura pack is considered bis?
grave crane
whichever one works best for you bud
sand pebble
which prot weak aura pack is considered bis?
I like luxthos packs, well designed and alots of customized options
stiff gate
society isnt ready for this build
imagine not taking aoe throw tbh
limpid pawn
hey how do you disable blizzard action bars when elvui is on
pallid quiver
which prot weak aura pack is considered bis?
i stole some of nome's stuff and made my own additions to it
whatever enables you to track all of your CDs without blocking important view points is the answer
hollow bolt
Red dragonscale protector has no module right now
model
so it looks like u have no shield when u tank
also looks like ur backhanding someone with revenge
gleaming oracle
Good morning everyone! Do you think warrior or dh is the "easiest" tank to deliver on in m+? Im looking for something not to stressfull
sand pebble
Yes - ip cap is straight 30% of hp and no the anount it gives you doesnt matter because its used as a rage dump
pallid quiver
even if you're at your limit you press it to prevent overcapping
If you're playing right, it'll be up pretty much all the time, so we don't care about tracking what it's at or what cap it is or anything
The main benefit is spending the rage off the GCD for Indomitable and Anger Management
If you're given the choice, you'd prefer to spend the rage on Revenge,
but we generate a lot of rage when played properly, so being off the GCD is very nice
sand pebble
Rotation with resets usually is ss tc ss revenge ss tc revenge revenge ss tc revenge - you weave shield block in between to maintain uptime and spend rage inbetween almost every 3 rd global - during cds and ravager its every global almost
Ip cap is meaningless and i use a wa to track it as have ip or not
coarse meadow
hey guys, does tank warr no longer have condemn?
pallid quiver
In terms of going to DF, yeah, not a thing we have anymore. You still have it if you're Venthyr in SL content, though
coarse meadow
oh Rip, i loved spamming that thing as prot lol
pallid quiver
i mean we still have execute
it just hits like a wet noodle in comparison to how it hit before
reef spindle
Do we have any warriros streaming here in prepatch, where it could be possible to learn a little? 🙂
pallid quiver
I thiiiiiink Nome's been streaming a bit, but don't hold me to that at all. I've just been hard solid on "Eh, people probably don't care enough for anything until the 15th"
reef spindle
I'm so new to warrior with barely a week on it, and i do a missive shit show on the dps overall 😛 My healer says survivale is fine, did my 20/21 yesterday, but need to see what some decent bois do xD
pallid quiver
Pull as big as possible, TC for Rend, get Revenges out
If you're keeping banner up, especially gaining time in AoE, you should be doing fine damage
Also, SR as much as possible
We scale very well in high-count AoE due to Bloodsurge for rage
reef spindle
I feel like its what i'm trying. But might be pull size then. Cause normally i charge in, banner, TC, Start spamming revenge, Avatar, Revenge/TC and use the Outburst on TC for AoE. And weave in SB/IP when needed.
pallid quiver
If your pulls are small enough, Outburst on SS still ends up being more damage. On top of that, it also generates more rage for you to pump into Anger Management for more Avatar uptime
Your first, and always primary, goal is to generate rage so you don't miss chances to generate rage
That way you get more rage to spend throughout the entirety of a key on Revenge/IP for Anger Management and what-not
reef spindle
I feel like sub. 3 targets SS does more damage.
pallid quiver
It's like sub 6 or something iirc, it's somewhere
SS does a lotta damage
In Avatar with UF it probably changes a slight bit
Oh, also, if you haven't been, you should default to Battle Stance most of the time at the moment. We're just not taking enough damage from most content for us to be that concerned. You can also always like, swap into defensive stance if you feel you need the defense,
but having 100% block uptime is one hell of a survival drug
Along with having the Wall available now and things like Impending Victory actually being able to be grabbed, we have a bit of trouble doing that dying thing
reef spindle
i changed some WA's and UI and is running around 95%+ SB uptime now