and troll
#protection
sick sentinel
orcs and humans is very 4 head ones
just the ones from wc1 art
like in cinematics or on box in manual
sick sentinel
i wish they would remove racials & tmog linked to race
drifting fable
why
drifting fable
tmogs are cool and racials are very non-impactful
sick sentinel
tmogs are cool and racials are very non-impactful
wait wut
BE@legion @dward @MDI and S4
whole narwhal
tmogs are cool and racials are very non-impactful
I think gathering speed still is really good
sick sentinel
talk about being non impactul, also troll @jaina
for WRF
racials do have an impact when you're min maxing, it might be lower nowadays but they used to be big
also shadowmeld is huge
drifting fable
still dont see why we should remove them
sick sentinel
because i'd like to be optimised without blowing up my skin and look like shit xD
drifting fable
youre looking at a 1% difference typically
sick sentinel
it's not about damage
whole narwhal
youre looking at a 1% difference typically
The issue is the typically part
sick sentinel
it's about managing/nul mecanics/skipping
whole narwhal
Though I don't think we should remove racials anyway
drifting fable
but its not like you are forced to go dwarf in m+ to use that as an example
rotund thicket
is raider io bugged or how does this work?
drifting fable
sure its nice but plenty of people top without being dwarf
sick sentinel
a better option would be to chose your racial as a spell like a talent point, without having the "race" part of it
so we could chose w/e race we like the skin of and pick the racial as a talent for everyone
could min max for those who want it, and not deal with a "bad skin" because of a race that doesnt suit their taste
sick sentinel
but not locked to a race
drifting fable
good thing wow isnt an esport then
lusty grotto
well heritage should
lusty grotto
good thing wow isnt an esport then
sick sentinel
what"s wrong with using the heritage armor of orc on my BE/NE ?
i like the tmog, but i do not want to be maghar orc
as an example
lusty grotto
idk tbh im mostly anti immersion for the most part but it just wouldn't make sense
sick sentinel
i like my idea that each race gets 2 skills with weapons
uneven mason
what"s wrong with using the heritage armor of orc on my BE/NE ?
What's wrong with my kid wearing my shoes, like putting a toddler in Dwayne Johnson's pants
sick sentinel
What's wrong with my kid wearing my shoes, like putting a toddler in Dwayne John...
you dont make sense
lusty grotto
i think they should def be more open to more tmog options though
sick sentinel
i think they should def be more open to more tmog options though
my point
drifting fable
there are plenty of tmog choices out there, think its fine for one to be restricted to a race
uneven mason
you dont make sense
Because blood elves are tiny
pastel remnant
hey! kinda new to prot warrior. im not sure which leggo use ( only do M+). saw couple with reprisal and some with seismic reverberation.
lusty grotto
there's even a leggo-less build
sick sentinel
well, say i want to play as dwarf X but i want to boost him or race change him and have the transmog as that race
thats the purpose of hereitige farming and toons, theres a horde toon i'll delete dwarf i'll keep
sick sentinel
if its for the gnomes say, i don't mind as much because im far less likely to play base gnome, and i don't enjoy how that one particularly looks
so i am less tempted to go down that route, or soon at least
lusty grotto
im partial to gnomes cause their death yell makes me laugh
and animation
i just cant hold it if i see a dumb gnome dying to some random shit
mighty valley
I use my racial almost never, don’t miss it
lusty grotto
escape artist?
mighty valley
Remember the days when priests got racial spells? Fear Ward diff
lusty grotto
yeah, but thank god those are gone
mighty valley
Nah I’m nightborne, so… whatever the aoe slow is called
lusty grotto
oh
mighty valley
Personal mailbox is sick though
lusty grotto
arent mechagnomes gonna be the like the crafting gigachads in DF?
e-sport crafting lmaooooo
bold furnace
Warstomp is pretty ok imo
mighty valley
They could give mechagnomes a 10% strength perk and I still wouldn’t play one
lusty grotto
sick sentinel
depends what the racial is :S
arcane toreent .... never touch it
everything else, send it
sick sentinel
i always forget to use it ina good time
mighty valley
Which works fine since half the players in the game are blood elves
lusty grotto
lol
lusty tiger
BE= cringest race
sick sentinel
NE
lusty tiger
Body 1 looks like David bowie
Body 2 looks like not good enough for any worthy armour set
Female NE is bis
All Male NE look like malfurion trying to cosplay
These are FACTS please make sure you’re writing this down
sick sentinel
stupid night elfs
south zealot
sick sentinel
ah, the dh is pulling for me now lol
lusty grotto
What a nice guy
torn ginkgo
someone linked the video earlier about opener/maintaining banner. do people still use the macro for last stand + banner or do we just have so much rage now we dont use last stand like that?
strong forum
in ST banner is a bit harder to maintain now unless you play reprisal/the wall
in aoe youre gonna be laughing
last stand should be used the same way as mentioned in the video
lusty grotto
but only if you have the conduit or talent
torn ginkgo
I am using the conduit
spring umbra
can you benefit from both JC extra gems slots and tinker slots from eng? seems like they would steer people away from gathering on mains? or can anyone use those benefits without maining the prof?
mighty valley
Is this a wotlk thing
true bison
just a quick question, im gearing my prot, is fusion hacker good?
rough solar
Anyone know of a working talent macro?
spring umbra
DF
strong forum
i have no idea about DF profs
torn ginkgo
what was your priest doing
south zealot
chillin
spring umbra
i think JC gives up to 3 gem slots for a neck in DF but eng also givees you tinkers slots which seem pretty close to gems but they are proc effects
lusty grotto
think we'll find out after DF is released
drifting fable
probably a sim question later on ya
lusty grotto
cause i at least haven't seen any prof min-maxing
mighty valley
No idea what inscription is gonna be about but I’m gonna stick to it regardless
spring umbra
ah so im going to assume that a work order might be able to provide this to anyone
sick sentinel
TONS of ppl leveling mages and rogues right now
sick sentinel
we used to have 1-3 sockets inTBC
drifting fable
i think they made gems shittier iirc
lusty grotto
but that hasnt been the case in years
drifting fable
so it might not be that huge
lusty grotto
hmm
oblique garnet
3 sockets on a neck
only if the item itself is 3 star quality
oblique garnet
Probably
sick sentinel
every group im joinnis 2 mage 3 rogues some shit
lusty grotto
lets see if they keep iterating on it
sick sentinel
no tauren rogues that im aware of
lusty grotto
what a shame
sick sentinel
can i only see alliance in LFD?
drifting fable
yes
lusty grotto
probably
uneven mason
Leveling the paladin
Tried to do the same thing as my 2 warriors, toss on the loom shield and queue up
Got murdered
lusty grotto
uneven mason
Had to equip nearly full heirlooms to not feel like I was at constant risk of death
sick sentinel
yeah if u want to excitement of possible death just pull more
uneven mason
yeah if u want to excitement of possible death just pull more
I discovered that isn't possible on the war
I was doing full boss to boss pulls in legion leveling dungeons and just giving zero fucks
This paladin though
Critters sneeze at my and I lose half my hp
sick sentinel
damn critters
sick sentinel
only if the item itself is 3 star quality
This works on any neck. Only the setting has to be 3-star.
nova crow
do u actually use devastator? o
left temple
cobalt grove
I feel like old devastate is obsolete now, we've not used it in forever
mellow quartz
you hardly have gcd's to press revenge, let alone devastator
cobalt grove
I know on beta I'm just getting constant shield slam resets
uneven mason
Many SS reset
south zealot
there has been 1 situation in all of shadowlands where i lost a single global entirely
devastator is too good
naive sinew
okay so, ive been trying prot tanking in retail right now, and it seems like im losing threat like crazy.. is this happening with anyone else? or am i doing something wrong?
odd tree
if your dps go ham right from pull then you might have threat issues
south zealot
its mostly ilvl yeah
lusty grotto
it is 99% of the time ilvl issues
south zealot
but if you also have like no damage in your talents you might iust be getting ripped off
naive sinew
im 278 ilvl
lusty grotto
and your dps is?
lusty grotto
the dps in your group
naive sinew
overall
lusty grotto
yeah first of all that's super low
naive sinew
had an enhance shaman, aff lock, and fire mage
naive sinew
they're all around 290
south zealot
ive only ever been ripped off by an enhance
naive sinew
but i dont have any issues with threat on prot pally
lusty grotto
you are undergeared
naive sinew
not sure why this is the case
lusty grotto
whats your pally's ilvl
naive sinew
my prot pally is 265
lusty grotto
and you've compared with 290 dps?
naive sinew
same group
naive sinew
275
lusty grotto
on both?
naive sinew
and 278 shield
naive sinew
battle stance
lusty grotto
ilvl of your weapon is the major factor for dps
ilvl of your shield is the major factor for defensiveness when SB is up
south zealot
idk i would think youd be fine
reef spindle
Do i have something good to look forward to then? Been running with 226 wep and 226 shield xD
naive sinew
yeah and that too
lusty grotto
something is clearly wrong
naive sinew
why is my dps so low
lusty grotto
l2p issues most likely
naive sinew
12p?
strong forum
Do i have something good to look forward to then? Been running with 226 wep and ...
Going from 226 to 304 weapon will literally double your dps
south zealot
some of your talents are pretty defensive
lusty grotto
learn to play issues
strong forum
Your talent build has 0 dmg Melo
strong forum
Try one of the builds in the pins
fluid shard
basically damage on enemies = threat
naive sinew
so which talents do you think i should swap for?
south zealot
these talents add sooooo much damage
lusty grotto
Do i have something good to look forward to then? Been running with 226 wep and ...
any melee (and including tank) has big gains from big ilvl weapons, thats why most melee/tanks recommend to get the higher ilvl weapon above everything else (like stats). It boosts basically every single damage dealing ability you have
naive sinew
should i take tough as nails?
lusty grotto
did you look at the builds in the pins?
south zealot
should i take tough as nails?
its like a 2-3% damage increase
can remove improved heroic throw
naive sinew
yeah thats what i just did removed that for tough as nails
naive sinew
i did
lusty grotto
ok, they should give you an idea of what to swap
naive sinew
k
uneven mason
Nom warriors can't do damage
strong forum
Depending on key
naive sinew
15 streets
naive sinew
k
strong forum
This assuming necro banner?
Ofx
fluid shard
i'm curious as to how people bind SC, TC, Rev, SB and IP considering how quickly you mash them
hollow sun
personal preference of course. TC on X, Rev on E, SB on Alt F, IP on V
cobalt seal
I did 18k this week with a bit fuck ups
"A bit"
strong forum
Yeah okay
Our menagerie boss lasted 7min
Cuz we didn't get to vacuum cuz boss bugged out
And we had 4 deaths on that because infinite orbs
lusty grotto
i'm curious as to how people bind SC, TC, Rev, SB and IP considering how quickly...
i do 1 = SC, 5 = TC, 3 = Rev, 4 = SS, R = IP+SS
1 was my intervene though so it might be weird if i pick both
G is my charge
strong forum
i'm curious as to how people bind SC, TC, Rev, SB and IP considering how quickly...
SC is Shift+s
TC is 1
Rev is 3
SB is shift+4
IP is F
SS is 4
X is charge
lusty grotto
F is my SB
fluid shard
SC is Shift+s
TC is 1
Rev is 3
SB is shift+4
IP is F
SS is 4
shift S is smart, never though of binding that
hazy bronze
Yeah I use shiftD for focus interrupt
strong forum
It's a devious button
hollow sun
shift S is shattering throw 😄
mellow quartz
SS on 1
TC on 2
Rev on 3
Demo shout on 4
SC on 5
SB on q
IP on e
Charge on F
sturdy sable
thats actually close to mine
lusty grotto
my demo is x, kicks c
mellow quartz
my kick is F1 and SR is F2
strong forum
SS on 1
TC on 2
Rev on 3
Demo shout on 4
SC on 5
SB on q
IP on e
Charge on F
Look at this non-shift gamer
lusty grotto
like active mit is always F for me
mellow quartz
I have other stuff on shift and control
sturdy sable
but i keep my bindings very similar to different classes
yeah all my toons bindings have similar spells on same bindings
mellow quartz
like potions and special action buttons etc
lusty grotto
yea
sturdy sable
active mitigation is always the same
mellow quartz
like roar and ravenger etc are Alt+q and alt+e
lusty grotto
c is kick for me globally
mellow quartz
well actuall ctrl+q as alt +r is shockwave on beta
hollow sun
Same for me, interrupts on R, Alt E for defensive abilities, Alt Q for offensive cds
lusty grotto
g is movement/gap closers globally
sturdy sable
q and e are leap and charge respectively
lusty grotto
ctrl + r is my dps major cd globally too
q and e are stances and im never changing those
sturdy sable
all my cds are shift 1-5
mellow quartz
hollow sun
all my cds are shift 1-5
how can you even press shift 5 
sturdy sable
stances are always mouse buttons for me
mellow quartz
how can you even press shift 5 <:deadge:900279927138578432>
you have baby hands?
lusty grotto
i so shift + 5 for stormbolt so
sturdy sable
how can you even press shift 5 <:deadge:900279927138578432>
I use a 70% keyboard
hollow sun
you have baby hands?
no but i use my movement keys and its clunky
mellow quartz
I have a normal keyboard and shift+5 would be easy to hit lol
I dont personally have that bound but could if I needed
hollow sun
idk, maybe its because i always played on laptop
lusty grotto
only thing youre not pressing with shift + 5 is D so idk
uneven mason
Some people don't like to flex their hands that way
sturdy sable
shift 5 is actually last stand for me
lusty grotto
plus if youre a strafe bound to A/D gigachad like the rest of us
sturdy sable
big cd not used often
sturdy sable
plus if youre a strafe bound to A/D gigachad like the rest of us
this
hollow sun
plus if youre a strafe bound to A/D gigachad like the rest of us
this has always been a stable for everyone tbh
lusty grotto
no keyboard turning allowed
uneven mason
Sheesh we can't a be gorilla handed monsters
mellow quartz
people dont strafe on a and d?
sullen jungle
I see quite a few of the streamers are running away from Bolster on Last Stand and running Booming Voice. And they are playin with Shockwave, just for more control?
lusty grotto
i dont think it is the standard tbh
mellow quartz
I dont know anyone who doesnt lol
hollow sun
i recently keybinded backpedalling again lol
sturdy sable
never took it off
sturdy sable
^
lusty grotto
i dont
hollow sun
never took it off
Did a lot of pvp back in the days
mellow quartz
nah walking is great in many situations
fluid shard
i also strafe back a lot
uneven mason
Nim uses click to move
hollow sun
then realized that sometimes backpedalling is actually better than strafing, especially to avoid being surrounded while going back
uneven mason
It's rough as a tank
lusty grotto
backpedalling is slower than strafing back
mellow quartz
if you strafe your revenge can miss a lot of a pacl
most times you are walking backwards its not for speed
you are not trying to get somewhere super quick or you would just strafe run
lusty grotto
i retrained that years ago probably decades ago
hollow sun
yeah, only to reposition yourself
lusty grotto
yeah im not saying its bad to do, i just rather not do it personally
hollow sun
is rogue the only one that has is by default? lol
south zealot
i was cced for 7 seconds before i died so its not even like they were slow on it
they just didnt want to
hollow sun
should have rerolled human lol
lusty grotto
i havent done a JY since the talents went live but im fully expecting that shit to happen now
before i would have been like "how are you doing 20+ if you dont know how to kick that?"
but now its like "well fuck"
tender cove
What does guilds actually want in a tank. I'm shopping guild and been linking some good sub world 25 ranks for my paladin and twice in a row now hear "but tank ranking doesn't matter"... Ok, sure, whatever, but it still an indicator that I can actually play the class?
What else do you want me to do??
lusty grotto
that's for them to answer
i doubt anyone can say here
best advice is just keep looking
tender cove
What else can you actually look at though? AM uptime?
tender cove
I dont have logs for warr as i'm rerolling.
mellow quartz
The Nokhud Offensive, Court of Stars, and Shadowmoon Burial Grounds are now available on Mythic+
lusty grotto
youre missing the point
tender cove
youre missing the point
I think its the opposite. i'm asking a general question what guilds look for in a tank, doesn't matter if its paladin, warr or whatever?
lusty grotto
thats just it
most guild have set tanks
so the people here that raid
have set slots
they dont make it a habit to keep looking for tanks
so they are unable to answer you
your best bet, is to get a direct answer from those apps, if they give it to you
if they don't, it happens, not a lot of choice but to move on
uneven mason
What does guilds actually want in a tank. I'm shopping guild and been linking so...
Like are you linking logs or ranking?
naive sinew
damn i must suck or something.. i changed the talents and now im doing only 9.5k dps in 15 streets
lol
maybe i push ignore pain too often
uneven mason
Did you press apply changes
uneven mason
Battle stance
uneven mason
Rip
naive sinew
Seriously
sterile mauve
What does guilds actually want in a tank. I'm shopping guild and been linking so...
Don't let the gatekeeping neckbeards get to you
chrome falcon
eh
there's a difference between gatekeeping and declining applications
gatekeeping nerds can be ignored
the fact that you can't get a guild, can't
to answer @tender cove i've been running a guild for over a decade and i've never "recruited" a new tank
they've all been people playing dps then rerolling to tank when my previous co-tank drops out
so i can't really give you any advice on how to actually join a guild as a tank, honestly you might do best just learning to play a dps spec, tanking every key the guild does and then eventually getting in on a re-roll
strong forum
I've had the same experience
Joined in as a dps, then took over
And I always first looked among my own roster before we recruited a tank
In the end we recruited a friend of a friend as tank
storm shell
can someone hover and screenshot the value of block (both stats) with high ilvl shield?
lusty grotto
im sure there are 311s and 304s but i didnt get lucky the entire season so this is the best i can do
actually
you can probably look up a 311 at the dinar vendor
oh nvm i forgot the upgrade tokens
storm shell
I want a character stat 😄
lusty grotto
hopefully someone can chime in with 304s or 311s
storm shell
the one that says how much is mitigated % and block % chance
lusty grotto
huh
strong forum
With bfi stacks I get up to 63.7%
storm shell
damn 60% phys reduction, didn't realise it until I switched my 120ilvl shield
jagged pier
so i can't really give you any advice on how to actually join a guild as a tank,...
Well tbh best way was in S4 wow progress raiderio and logs put yourself of looking and actively apply to guild there were no tanks around and ppl were leaving the game left right and center that how i got mine when my pervious one died
storm shell
how is this not OP?
jagged pier
Tldr go look
lusty grotto
how is this not OP?
hasnt changed much from s4
storm shell
well its not meta tank for all of SL
lusty grotto
this is not new
strong forum
well its not meta tank for all of SL
So?
Bdk parried 70% of all attacks
And healed for the rest
vernal vale
so i can't really give you any advice on how to actually join a guild as a tank,...
Basically true in all situations. I joined my current guild as a purely m+ player and waited for a tank opening.
uneven mason
to answer <@320957287818854401> i've been running a guild for over a decade and ...
Literally how it works
strong forum
Pwar wasn't meta for all of SL because it was too hard to play
chrome falcon
Well tbh best way was in S4 wow progress raiderio and logs put yourself of looki...
yeah, it's too late for that now tho imo
strong forum
And bdk was just infinitely stronger in s3 and s4
jagged pier
Not really usually ppl still look in prepatch might not get the progress u want but u can get on the ladder
mellow quartz
Pwar wasn't meta for all of SL because it was too hard to play
most people also just didn't find repraisal gameplay fun in general
odd tree
Basically true in all situations. I joined my current guild as a purely m+ playe...
i tank keys and dps raid, sub in as tank when someone needs a break
uneven mason
Every tank spot I've ended up in has been because I stepped up to it from in the guild, except once, during wotlk I was just doing heroic world tours for kicks and was asked to join a guild from some dude that I did like 6 dungeons with.
mellow quartz
Most people also didn't find s3/s4 bdk fun
me included lol
strong forum
And nobody found vdh s1 fun
lusty grotto
ahem
storm shell
@strong forum is magic damage a big problem for pwar? historically speaking
jagged pier
And *nobody* found vdh s1 fun
I find vdh fun for 1 key a season and thats it
chrome falcon
for bad pwarrs yeah
mellow quartz
love how late people found out abt the bug with VDH
chrome falcon
good pwarrs have almost always been able to deal with magic damage
strong forum
Magic dmg is a problem for bad pwars
chrome falcon
until it's very high and consistent
vernal vale
Well tbh best way was in S4 wow progress raiderio and logs put yourself of looki...
My wowprogress, warcraftlogs, and raiderio all say I'm looking for a guild and I never once got someone looking for a tank. Lol
slender finch
historically no, turned all dangerous magic dmg into offensive cd via spellreflect
strong forum
The issue with unblockable dmg comes up
When it's highly frequent
Or dot based
Which I guess, is both
Magic nukes are w/e for us
Unless they're every 10 seconds
jagged pier
My wowprogress, warcraftlogs, and raiderio all say I'm looking for a guild and I...
Keep it up but also look at guild and apply u never know as well as getting contacted i also sent lioe 50 guild apps
vernal vale
When it's highly frequent
This is my most hated thing but it's not like kiting, interrupts, and LOS cannot be used to help
solemn current
good pwarrs have almost always been able to deal with magic damage
Might just be me but I don't feel there's much you can do getting pelted by waterbolts after you've already used stuns, interrupts, reflects, and defensives to live yet your group still decides to not stop any of them lol
jagged pier
Its a numbers game
chrome falcon
Might just be me but I don't feel there's much you can do getting pelted by wate...
team game
same is true for every other tank
slender finch
Might just be me but I don't feel there's much you can do getting pelted by wate...
play with better ppl
chrome falcon
stagger isn't going to save you from 10 waterbolts
strong forum
Might just be me but I don't feel there's much you can do getting pelted by wate...
Which is why a) don't pull too many
b) blizz is moving away from waterbolts only going on tanks in DF
In df those casts go on everyone
vernal vale
Keep it up but also look at guild and apply u never know as well as getting cont...
I'm not upset with my current guild it's light-years better than the one I was in. Just want to push harder to clear mythic.
strong forum
Not just the tank
solemn current
Pugs are pugs. I don't see a brewmaster friend suffering the same issue in pugs is all my point was meant to be.
jagged pier
I'm not upset with my current guild it's light-years better than the one I was i...
Keep looking till u see a guild recuriting tank really at the progress u want.
slender finch
I'm not upset with my current guild it's light-years better than the one I was i...
need to grind your way up, u wont easily get a ce tanking spot without exp and/or multiclass
solemn current
In df those casts go on everyone
This is probably the most thing I'm excited about.
strong forum
Brewmaster has the same issues as pwar when it comes to magic dmg
jagged pier
Literally the only thing u can di
strong forum
Brewmaster just had their cheat tierset
Which gave them lay on hands every 10seconds
slender finch
as tank is such an important role for prog raid
mellow quartz
if everything goes smoothly no
ebon geyser
need to grind your way up, u wont easily get a ce tanking spot without exp and/o...
I did ce azshara without multiclass so
slender finch
just living is not a thing u seek for in a good tank, its a basic requirement
sick sentinel
im level 50 now and i cant see the dwarf for my heritige armor set quest
solemn current
tierset or not it's how they've been playing vs warrior for a while now. 2 water bolts at the right key level and I die. Same situation with the buddy and he walks it off no problem. I just don't think dying to magic damage or just being weak to it in general this xpac has completely been about being a bad warrior is all.
But there's obviously a difference between dying with utility up and dying after having to put it on CD.
vernal vale
Keep looking till u see a guild recuriting tank really at the progress u want.
Yeah, hoping my raid team is stable in DF been like 30 people rotated through in s4
strong forum
If you count "not having any CDs available at all and 0 team play"
Then yes, pwar is bad against magic
slender finch
if everything goes smoothly no
tank takes a big part in "everything going smoothly" played with 3 different tanks on lod/rygelon/jailer, with some rekills were harder than progression - tank with good movement and anticipation carries a lot of being a smooth or non smooth kill, esp for melee uptime
strong forum
We don't have any quick recovery from being chunked for 80k
That's not how this class was build
sick sentinel
maybe i have to start the BFA quest line to get dwarf heritige thing to show up
strong forum
Until now
ebon geyser
Aren't we also physical tank and not magical
strong forum
People focus way too hard on dmg schools, that's for sure
ebon geyser
Dh being the magical tank
slender finch
depends on type of magic
solemn current
Hard to claim we haven't been objectively worse than other tanks with it this xpac. Otherwise shadowlands wouldn't have treated us so terribly.
ebon geyser
depends on type of magic
Magic is magic
strong forum
In s3 and s4 pwar was the 2nd best tank.
slender finch
4th bosd waycrest was a joke on pwar compared to any other tank
lusty grotto
Dh being the magical tank
these roles are not strongly defined, and much less now with the new talents
drifting fable
shadowlands had ton of constant cast dungeons tbf
slender finch
Magic is magic
nope
drifting fable
dos and hoa
lusty grotto
its just perception
lusty grotto
4th bosd waycrest was a joke on pwar compared to any other tank
the tree was also a joke
can tank through enrage np
strong forum
When we were perfectly fine from 9.0.5 onwards
slender finch
if its s big dot/hit every x its non existent due to spell reflect which made prot warr very broken in bfa (outside dps) if its constant or dots frequently there were better mitigators
sullen jungle
Do we go for Vers or Haste bounty btw?
strong forum
Well yeah
lusty grotto
i did forget a few times when i resubbed
slender finch
the thing that made u take dmg instead of ur group member was also pretty good in stuff like kings rest
forgot name
lusty grotto
yeah i considered that early on but then i just muscle memory'd it
strong forum
Safeguard
slender finch
yeah
sturdy sable
need to grind your way up, u wont easily get a ce tanking spot without exp and/o...
all of my ces are on pwar
strong forum
Pwar was strong in bfa because of safeguard, block, spell reflect, dmg output
slender finch
all of my ces are on pwar
?
sturdy sable
multiclass is not needed
slender finch
i never said it is
strong forum
I got CE the first tier I raided since wrath back in 8.0 on my pwar
Imagine being a wimp
And multiclass and fotm roll
jagged pier
Same
lusty grotto
ive never had CE because i cba to leave my RL friends guild
sturdy sable
ive never had CE because i cba to leave my RL friends guild
fuck em
weary python
Do you guys usually use heroic throw with a mouse over macro?
strong forum
Yes
slender finch
just that it will be harder for an inexperienced tank on non desired tankclass to find a ce raid
lusty grotto
keys are more than enough content for me, maybe if blizzard decides to drop down the 20m requirement for mythic ill give it a whirl outside of pugging
but that's not likely to happen
jagged pier
just that it will be harder for an inexperienced tank on non desired tankclass t...
Eh i dunno record youself playing show logs even from.hc of u not just dps but mitigating explain why etc
U can show u knw what your doing without have experisnce as per
strong forum
But yes I agree, it's hard as a tank to find a guild
No matter which class you are
That's why I don't even bother
jagged pier
And doing that will show you are much more committed than most ppl anyway
slender finch
i dont think any decent guild will care about ur hc logs tbf
jagged pier
They do
slender finch
most important things r prior ce exp and avaibility
jagged pier
I mean i got into mythic guilds from a hc guild like far prog guild
strong forum
Then idk
CE itself doesn't mean shit
Just because you have it doesn't mean you don't suck ass
jagged pier
Ce just proves 20 ppl got together and killed bosses
strong forum
I have had people with 12 CEs who failed basic mechanics left and right
slender finch
yet it is a requirement on like every ce guilds profile
strong forum
Cuz they're dumb guilds
slender finch
and y it wont tell u if someone is good or bad
strong forum
Like if you require CEs, you're willingly dismissing diamonds in the rough
For no reason other than an arbitrary achievement
lusty grotto
i think the point is that if they are only looking at CE achieves, they might not be such an understanding guild
strong forum
Some of the best raiders I've had were heroic only andies
Who never bothered with mythic
lusty grotto
and its probably better to just skip that bullet
slender finch
I dont think its just arbitrary, the pool of players progressing at ce over longer periods of time is small
then combining it with guild changes gives a first impression
strong forum
The pool of players who join an 11/12 guild and yoink CE
Is insanely high
Because by the time you get to the last bosses, alot of people rather quit
slender finch
one doesnt exclude the other
strong forum
It doesn't, but a huge % of CE raiders jump from 4/12 to CE because the higher guild is struggling for players
slender finch
its been a requirement for pretty much all guilds ive been in, from wr200-800, might have missed out on good players who knows
strong forum
Idk seems weird to me to require years of raiding XP
signal niche
one day ill be a good player.........one day
jagged pier
But whats actually just stopping u apply to those guilds they say its a requirement but literally 99% of them say we well expect exceptional applicants so showing your good with hc normal logs and logs of mythic plus recordings etc yes its effort but its effort worth doing
jagged pier
Unlike my love life
Right there with ysh dude we spend to long talking about prot thats our issue
slender finch
I just went up step by step
after first 2 ce was never an issue to get trial
but i also didnt go from heroic to ce but rather heroic to 3 boss - 6 boss - ce
sudden crescent
Salutations Protection Warriors! I plan to change one of my current level 50 Warriors to Protection. I read the pins but didn't see a level guide anywhere. Did I miss it and/or should I go somewhere else for that information?
slender finch
luckily I can dedust my prot after bfa
hollow sun
Salutations Protection Warriors! I plan to change one of my current level 50 War...
Level with whatever talents you want tbh, no need for a guide in this case
sudden crescent
Hm ok
lusty grotto
you probably want to pick througput talents
and if you do dungeons...
whatever helps you manage SB better
thats it
sudden crescent
I'm going to level him purely through quests and I'm never gonna touch a dungeon until I've practiced a bit, so I need to have a build that has, well decent damage, so I just don't stand there and I can't kill them and they can't kill me.
lusty grotto
nothing in quests will kill you
just go throughput talents thats it, whatever makes you hit harder
sudden crescent
Fair enough
lusty grotto
try to get a grasp at maintaining SB uptime while getting hit etc
sudden crescent
Aye I will test everything and I'm SUPER excited with the new talent system to try out Prot. Haven't tried it since Cataclysm 
sudden crescent
Gotcha
lusty grotto
as in, dont overcap, dont starve
sudden crescent
I know what you ment :)
lusty grotto
👍
tame wave
hello mighty warriors
can anyone give me the spellID of the buff that I am getting when i am the intervene target? Or is it just the intervene spell ID ?
oak echo
pretty sure it's just the intervene spell id
i made this wa a while back to show me when i was intervened so i could cancel it and this always worked
sick narwhal
Any good talent tree so far ?
lofty widget
yea in the pins
tame wave
i made this wa a while back to show me when i was intervened so i could cancel i...
aight i'ma try that then! thanks a lot
tribal minnow
are the pinned m+ builds the "best" atm? it suggests using the wall, but WoWhead suggests using reprisal?
I don't have any legos atm, but if I were to craft, what do i go for?
lofty widget
theres multiple builds pinned and they all use different leggos, eithe reprisal, seismic or the wall
id probably go for seismic to pump some dmg
tribal minnow
there's only two builds listed with reprisal and they seem to be for raids. but I see the seismic m+ build, I'll give that a go!
tribal minnow
Using that atm, but figured I might as well craft something as all the resources soon become redundant anyways
whole narwhal
🤷♂️
lusty grotto
obsolete you mean
tribal minnow
just wanted to gear up a little bit before launch so levelling isn't tooo rough is all
tribal minnow
obsolete you mean
it more or less means the same thing, but yes 🙂
sick sentinel
i should find some dungeon with like, 13 bosses
lusty grotto
no, redundant means something else entirely but your point came across just fine
tribal minnow
no, redundant means something else entirely but your point came across just fine
oh you're actually right, you learn something new everyday, thanks for the correction ^^
agile elbow
you can literally just pump some anima to your warrior alt once it's 60 in ZM and get the 226 gear and then go straight into m+ from there with literally 0 problems and just gear up that way while you wait for DF to launch
you'll be golden by the time launch gets here.
i was 230 doing 10's on warrior lol
sick sentinel
my wizard ball was broken by the fog of war
i did not forsee far enough into the future to save my self froma rep grind
lusty grotto
riparooni
pallid yarrow
thoughts on seismic reverb for m+?
gleaming mica
Haste/Vers still the go to stats?
lofty widget
thoughts on seismic reverb for m+?
good
lusty grotto
haste > crit >= vers
lofty widget
Haste/Vers still the go to stats?
haste+vers/crit whatever you prefer honestly
gleaming mica
ty
sudden crescent
i was 230 doing 10's on warrior lol
And I thought my six warriors were many lol. But the only class I really enjoy playing are Warriors. I bet you feel the same? :p
sick sentinel
new plan: BRD, that place is full of bosses and dwarfs
lusty grotto
And I thought my six warriors were many lol. But the only class I really enjoy p...
he means key levels
sudden crescent
Oh...
lusty grotto
xD
sudden crescent
Yeah it's late here so my bad excuse is that I'm tired :p
upbeat mica
is necrolord still good with seismic reverb legendary
agile elbow
I wish I had 230 warriors.
lusty grotto
necrolord is good with all legendaries
upbeat mica
thx i just wasnt sure how reliant it was on the extra rage from reprisal
lime palm
On the 'no legendaries' build isn't Booming Voice a higher DPS increase than Focused Vigor?
lusty grotto
you can def play with it, str gain works always while BV only when Demo is up so its possible it evens out, Nome would have to reply to that though
lofty widget
5 % str is just 5 % more dmg
assuming you demo on cd you ahve about 18 % uptime on it, which equals about 3.5 % dmg increase
lime palm
Rgr. Thanks Chimmi.
So BV has an uptime of 20 secs. Can Demo every 45 without Haste. So uptime is 20 out of every 45.
Which is more than 18%?
lofty widget
uptime is 8seconds and t he cd isnt hasted
lime palm
Ah right, thanks again.
pastel remnant
im returning to wow and i cant choose between prot war or blood dk. love them. any tips to choose, for now and dragonflight. thx
hollow sun
im returning to wow and i cant choose between prot war or blood dk. love them. a...
You are on the warrior discord, obviously choose BDK
lime palm
If people really love Warriors they will play Demon Hunters and brag about how OP they are on every forum they can access.
lusty grotto
jokes on you we're all enhancement shamans and affliction warlocks in here
sick sentinel
i can pull twice the amount of shit on a DH as i can as on monk
enough said
only because i'm DH
tiny mason
stable wind
Pins
mighty valley
hmm the beta builds have been pushed out by the prepatch lvl 60 builds to be fair
haughty sleet
has anyone gotten prot sims to work?
ornate thunder
The limit on saves for specs is daf
how hard is it to make a csv file with more saves, there are professional developers right?
lusty grotto
has anyone gotten prot sims to work?
Prot sims won't work until ACLs are updated. It's gonna be a while.
lusty grotto
how hard is it to make a csv file with more saves, there are professional develo...
jesus christ, you just triggered me
CSV what the fuck
mighty valley
what's the limit?
ornate thunder
whatever format who cares
ornate thunder
yeah it's like ten or something
ornate thunder
I assume if they are still stuck forcing us to use lua that's up their alley
lofty widget
you get 12 presets for all 3 specs i honestly dont see how most ppl need much more than that
mighty valley
unlimited specs would be awful ux
ornate thunder
They are not that advanced
you know they are sitting there writing perl scripts for the servers
lusty grotto
if they are, then they are earning a shitload of money
whoever is doing that anyway
ornate thunder
cobol or bust
lusty grotto
even more
ornate thunder
No that we went down that nerd hole, why only ten setting, fuck
that's an addon waiting to happen
mighty valley
10 is plenty, more than that and the vast majority of people will just create a horrible graveyard of specs for themselves
lusty grotto
but for real im pretty sure someones already on it
yeah i think harrow has the right of it
lofty widget
just make a text document on your pc if you want more saves 🙂
neon fossil
If people really love Warriors they will play Demon Hunters and brag about how O...
didnt they get some dps nerfs in the new beta build?
DPS nerfs and survivability buff.
I only skimmed it as I refuse to play that shit
lime palm
didnt they get some dps nerfs in the new beta build?
We don't care about reality, Juicy. We only care about planting 5th columnists in forums complaining about all of the other tanks so the devs don't nerf us.
neon fossil
We don't care about reality, Juicy. We only care about planting 5th columnists ...
haha
lusty grotto
better hire some streamers and MDT gamers
lets hire asmongold and let him know he has to explicitly say that he doesnt read shit that's posted here but he agrees with everything we say
a half truth
spark shoal
anyone got a simple ip and sb tracker like nerfs? i lost mine after i took a break
lusty grotto
why did you have to add "like nerfs"
marok's ip tracker is pinned
SB tracker... nome has one on his WA, you could grab that i guess
either way, theres little reason to track IP
spark shoal
ye cheers
rustic pagoda
thoughts on the DF tier set?
onyx vessel
Strong
sand pebble
im sick to death of swapping specs and being left in no stance - is there a macro we can add into something that will check for stance, if not pick stance, if so use ability
without leaving that stance after in it
rustic pagoda
im sick to death of swapping specs and being left in no stance - is there a macr...
i dont have one, but id imagine a WA to check for the stance, based on your spec, that puts a large icon on screen if missing
sand pebble
eg in classic you could
/startattack
/cast [nostance:1]Battle Stance;Overpower
END
and it would swap to stance or cast overpower if in stance
ooo i think i did it
#showtooltip Shield Slam
/startattack
/cast [nostance:2]Battle Stance; Shield Slam
sick sentinel
dwarf heritige collected, gunna look into VE NB DID heriitige next, probably also BE
exotic matrix
cobalt seal
pretty often since you likely stay in battle and switch to defensive when you really need it
civic torrent
I've updated the pinned WA to work for 10.0 talents: https://wago.io/7R32j1O83
@strong forum @jagged pier
lusty grotto
sweet ty
sick sentinel
I've updated the pinned WA to work for 10.0 talents: https://wago.io/7R32j1O83
...
that it works in 10.0 should be in the title or header for this weak aura on wago
hardy ridge
is there a macro that alternates between battle and defensive stance
sick sentinel
or name change if the name changed
lusty grotto
hardy ridge
oh i skimmed over it, ty
sick sentinel
ocassionally i had trouble not having either stance going on guy i was leveling, was in defensive for early kevels then just left it in battle
more like probably id die, or hit it by accident
mellow quartz
having 17% haste on beta feels so trash in these keys lol
went around and found all haste gear so now I have 28%
sand pebble
our default stance is no stance
paper coral
So, i think i'm missing something. how do i keep banner going?
chrome falcon
spend rage
lusty grotto
do you have Unity?
sand pebble
make sure unity is activated, then spend rage
orchid mural
make sure unity is activated, then spend rage
what do u mean "activated" ... is there something that needs to be done since patch?
mighty valley
it bugs sometimes, especially if you switch covenants afaik, and needs to be unequipped and reequipped before the legendary effect kicks in
sand pebble
^^
They also hotfixed something just now to make covs and soulbinds work in all slands content
I had some issues where running id it states not active before key starts then bugged out after key started and couldnt requip it
orchid mural
hunh... that would explain some things.
sand pebble
Does it state not to use tc at 7 stacks cause its bugged? Like a glowy icon or something
civic torrent
No it doesnt
lusty grotto
its a bug, he shouldn't fix something that blizzard needs to fix
mellow quartz
first boss in RLP is no longer stunning you on 5 stacks, thank god
lusty grotto
alyrion do you know if VO is still bugged in beta?
as in consuming all stacks of seeing red at 7 stacks
by using tclap i mean
cause it works correctly with SS
mellow quartz
it was fixed on beta last build
lusty grotto
cool
mellow quartz
its only bugged on PTR now live cause that is behind
celest zephyr
Hey guys! With the build that Bullfango created, the one that does the most damage, which legendary should I be using?
urban portal
seismic probalby
celest zephyr
And considering I'm new to prot this season (played it on BFA), what do you consider the most fun way to play it right now?
mellow quartz
the correct way
lusty grotto
fun is subjective
so we really cant say
and yeah honestly there's not a lot of ways to play it
a lot of talents sure
celest zephyr
But I mean, speaking of legendary, which one are you guys using?
lusty grotto
mostly seismic, but that varies in raids
sand pebble
Its fun seeing 24.5 secs of shield block and having a charge ready, its fun pulling more and more mobs and your damage and survivability increases, its fun doing more damage than damage classes, its fun being the last one alive on a boss and being able to kill it
celest zephyr
Agreed on all points
lusty grotto
🤷
sand pebble
I still enjoy the reprisal gameplay but its no longer forced
lusty grotto
man i kinda hate when there's WA updates and you go through with the update but they keep showing up
sand pebble
Luxthos by any chance?
lusty grotto
nah
it happens with different ones
havent had it happen with my warrior ones but i only use nome's
sand pebble
With weak auras companion? I think thete is an issue with it somewhere
lusty grotto
both WAcomp and Wago client
at least it has happened with both
im using only wago right now
sand pebble
Im using companion to update luxthos warrior one and it makes a copy of old one doesnt instal new one, deleting and getting one from his website updates it then the update notification in game goes away
lusty grotto
right now its happening with Afenar's for my DH
sand pebble
I still have issues with in game auras that have protected frames (clickable rune for example) that are no longer clickable
lusty grotto
ima just log on my DH and see if it works but if it doesnt ill just reimport
vast escarp
Its fun seeing 24.5 secs of shield block and having a charge ready, its fun pull...
hi can you share your talents
pallid yarrow
Seismic legendary is looking nice. You guys don’t have issues maintaining 100% shield block? Do you take heavy repercussions ?
mellow quartz
man i kinda hate when there's WA updates and you go through with the update but ...
I would never allow my WA's to be auto updated. I also manually change a lot of them etc.
sand pebble
hi can you share your talents
using reprisal
lusty grotto
Seismic legendary is looking nice. You guys don’t have issues maintaining 100% ...
check the pinned builds
pretty much all of them have HR
vast escarp
using reprisal
thank you kind lord
sand pebble
hi can you share your talents
import code if ya want: BkEAtml4yL3PsSlRlqnvTeVx4LgAAAAASSSkkg0SKCKFEhIUEElkEACcA0CJJgAhAAAAAAAARAAoUaA
pallid yarrow
Thx nim
olive steeple
Who are some of the more popular prot warrior content creators mainly on YouTube?
lusty grotto
here you go
and here you go
and finally
you're welcome
they're all in here too
chrome falcon
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2iFRyeOSdxzjGLJjMYbenw
owo
i really need to log on
and start playing so i can get ready to actually make vids for df
sand pebble
Pwar df vids - this is 10 hours a week of leveling professions - this is pwar basically carrying 4 others in m+ - this is my sweet legion pwar artifact transmog
lusty grotto
how about a really bad quality video of me beating the OG prot war challenge
sand pebble
Yep
lusty grotto
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HHJNjtmFhI& 62 views lets go
sand pebble
Damn i missed legion prot
lusty grotto
i did all of the other tanks after that, and their offspecs
sand pebble
I think i prefer df to it now though
lusty grotto
coughfuckmwmonkcough
sand pebble
Did you do it pre raid? I remember it being hard af before tier
lusty grotto
i havent really tried the new version
yes
notice i have uhhh trial gear
whatever its called the helya raid
sand pebble
Nope i watched ot for 10 secs and remembered 90% ip
sand pebble
I also remember basically 1 shotting people in pvp with warbreaker+cds+leviathion trinket
Err warbringer
onyx briar
How does this look for ability breakdown?
mellow quartz
looks like some low SS and TC damage
did you run UF?
oh you have thunderous roar so probably no UF then
lusty grotto
Err warbringer
warbringer was so good, i wish SC followed with the non-dr stun
onyx briar
No I didn't run UF. I was kinda experimenting with a build.
mellow quartz
whats your ilvl and what key was it you did?
mellow quartz
ok if that was a 3 lower kara you should be doing WAAAAAY more damage unless you pulled 1 pack at a time
suggest you just go with the builds in the pin
lusty grotto
it depends
the only big pack are manawyrms honestly
oh wait its lower
not upper
uhh yeah
mellow quartz
...
lusty grotto
alyrion is right
mellow quartz
its literally big pull city
mellow quartz
its good on beta but you dont have the points to get thunderous roar in prepatch
UF is just better
onyx briar
yeah that's what i've been running, just trying something different. time to go back
mellow quartz
also not taking 1h specialization is kinda trolling
5% damage and leech is just amazing for 1 point
modern brook
mellow quartz
I just noticed they finally fixed the stingers in AA so their enrage correctly only increases melee attacks and not the nature sting that was 1 shotting people. Funny was the tooltip said this was how it was meant to function all along lol.
late saddle
So weird random question - im going that max dps build in the pinn for normal stuff/ world quests etc and everything seems pretty close soloable wise to before this patch - but Famu the Infinite in Revendreth hits me like a truck now. I used to kill him and maintain 100% Health even if i got in his balls. Any idea why that would be?
olive steeple
Outside of haste, is mastery the best pure defensive stat?
lusty wedge
onyx vessel
amber turret
What cov do we play in prepatch? I didn't see in pins and wowhead is unavailable where I live
dapper nest
Does seismic reverb leggo stack with talent
dapper nest
So just move talent point?
lusty grotto
yes that's the point of using the legendary
dapper nest
tyvm
lusty grotto
and any other conduits, they free up talent points
lusty grotto
there's a build with reprisal in the pins
finite fable
With Reprisal you shouldn't need Heavy Repercussions.
lusty grotto
BkEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIgAAAAASSSkkg0SKCp0QEiAJQJJBIAHI0CJJAHAhAAAAAAAAEAAKlGA
that's the import string
lusty grotto
sounds russian 🙂
amber turret
Thai 😁
lusty grotto
ah i see
amber turret
Thx foe the help
lime palm
There are free VPNs right?
lusty grotto
Thx foe the help
no problem
amber turret
The free ones are trustworthy though?
lime palm
Tom's Hardware is pretty reliable, and they say Proto VPN Free is good. You can Google 'Tom's Hardware Free VPN' and see the article.
amber turret
Nice thx alot
lime palm
Nice thx alot
I've eaten a lot of Pad Se Ew in my life, so just paying the Thai people back. 🙂
lime palm
Pho is literally my favorite food. Well, Bun Bo Hue.
lusty grotto
well at the very least you have great food 😄
lime palm
DUDE ITS THE INTERNET JUST PRETEND OK
amber turret
OK ok i am thai 😂
lime palm
😉
lusty grotto
finite fable
22 streets. I feel Revenge should be higher no?
lime palm
drunken noodles though
If you haven't tried bun bo hue, Nim, get on it. It's even better than pho.
lusty grotto
ill have to remember that
sand pebble
hehe my guildy is doing it
amber turret
Tom's Hardware is pretty reliable, and they say Proto VPN Free is good. You can...
Proto VPN works like a charm. Limited servers available but thats not an issue in my case. Thanks alot again