protection

[mortal dagger]

The best shit is: the better u play the more dmg u ll do

[strong forum]

Yes even before pre-patch

It was shit

[neat fulcrum]

What spec should we play if prot warr isnt n1 anymore

[strong forum]

You need to Pool all your rage for when ravager ends

[inland raft]

pwar

even if its bottom

[brittle owl]

pwarr

[strong forum]

To fit in 5 wws into the buff window

Otherwise it's a massive dmg loss

And banner loss

[coarse flower]

did that go through in prepatch already?

i can't find unbreakable will in the talents (what is that??)

[mortal dagger]

U also need to renew the shieldblock and setup avatara

[trail glacier]

but does nom play codex

[neat fulcrum]

yeah I think so, apparently prot war is C tier after the changes according to this disc

[strong forum]

You lost a huge chunk of banner management trying to play around bonegrinder

[jagged pier]

okay same key nearly the same time

[strong forum]

It's just nowhere worth

[jagged pier]

4k behind

ignoring the 5 tank plebs

[merry pond]

How would you lose banner uptime?

[mellow quartz]

so hard at work

[strong forum]

You don't get any resets from WW on SS

So you lose massive rage gen

Mindlessly spamming WW trying to make it work

[marble cipher]

legendary, not a talent (or it's now also a talent, not overly sure there)

[limpid anchor]

@jagged pier are you sure that you are working kek

[jagged pier]

apprently

[merry pond]

@jagged pier again.... One example is not enough...

[coarse flower]

isnt sep 3rd not even prepatch?

[civic holly]

Tbf im working too

[strong forum]

I've tested it several times to make it work

[jagged pier]

okay can u log more keys then

[merry pond]

@strong forum so basically you are saying it's only worth it if you play it perfectly.

[mellow quartz]

lesson to be learned, always delete your logs if they are not rank 1

[marble cipher]

anyway, he's talking about the recent nerf they did because prot warrior could have insane uptime on shield wall for the entire party
Which was a totally justified nerf, and nothing to dump warriors to shit tier tbf

[mortal dagger]

Haha

[strong forum]

And other than the initial burst during bonegrinder, its an overall dmg loss

[jagged pier]

its impossible to find key with logs @merry pond

[merry pond]

@mellow quartz yah, otherwise you are shit dps.

[mellow quartz]

facts

[strong forum]

Overall you just lose banner uptime

And banner uptime is the ultimate goal

If you lose banner, you lost most of your dmg

[merry pond]

Yes, but you shouldn't struggle with banner with or without that conduit. If you struggle, u fucked up.

[hazy bronze]

Banner is love banner is life

[strong forum]

The conduit actively removes banner uptime

[mortal dagger]

But I don’t get how people struggling with the banner uptime

[strong forum]

By not getting resets

And needing to Pool rage

For bonegrinder

It's not that hard of a concept to understand

If you can't get 5 wws during the window of it

All you did was lose dmg.

[civic holly]

I had 7 seconds left on banner and then i stopped spending my rage so i can do whirlwinds and oh no my banner fell off

[merry pond]

No you are right. But doesn't matter if you lose 4 seconds of 15 seconds left when you can apply it again.

[mortal dagger]

Yo tat did u have any problems with banner while playing this cond. Me-not. I m just removing the overcap of banner

[merry pond]

You are assuming one needs 5 wws during it to keep banner up?

[strong forum]

No

To gain dmg from the conduit

You need 5 WWs for it to be a dmg upgrade

Over just playing normal

[cobalt seal]

Losing dps with poor trinket choice doesnt help your dps

[strong forum]

And having another potency conduit

[jagged pier]

like how am i supposed to get data set from this
@merry pond

[marble cipher]

pardon me, but this "ww" talk is about arms or fury right? I was under the assumption that prot throws the ww spell into the garbage can?

[jagged pier]

i literally cant compare this dungeon

[summer eagle]

Generally if you cant compare

dont call them shit

[trail glacier]

are people feelycrafting or smt

[summer eagle]

just a thought

[merry pond]

@jagged pier hey I never said I had data, you're the one that based your statement of shit data that you haven't got.

[trail glacier]

[hazy bronze]

I think the general understanding is it is but a few people are contending otherwise

[marble cipher]

kk

[merry pond]

@jagged pier I never said I am a gigafuckingblaster doing 100k dps. You said I don't do dmh.

[jagged pier]

how is logs shit data

[cobalt seal]

Considering every time i watched your stream you were doing less dmg than sense

[jagged pier]

its literally what happens in game

[cobalt seal]

By a good margin

[summer eagle]

You just said you dont have enough logs

[jagged pier]

like literally what has happened

[cobalt seal]

I would say thats data

[jagged pier]

its literally the logs of the game

[strong forum]

Idk why this needs to be further discussed, it wasn't good
If you wanna fuck with it now, go at it. During ultra pulls with bloodsurge it may be good

[merry pond]

@jagged pier logs in general are not. These logs are, you are currently questioning how you should base anything off these logs, yet you did.

[mortal dagger]

it s dead now but it was the best option in s4 in aoe dungs

[jagged pier]

no u should base things off logs

[cobalt seal]

Maybe your streams are also invalid data?

[limpid anchor]

Logs are not a good reference or what?

[jagged pier]

thats literally how we know what going on

[jagged pier]

apprently

the data from the game is invalid data

[mellow quartz]

just a word of caution, warcraftlog rankings for dps also does not normalize for time in combat. the example @jagged pier found was pretty even in that respect but just in general to keep in mind in that overview

[limpid anchor]

That’s the whole point why they exist

[coarse flower]

[strong forum]

If it was you wouldnt be the only one playing it

[merry pond]

@jagged pier you're going both ways man. Saying shit logs, and that you can't base anything off of these logs you are seeing. Yet you are stating my dmg is shit of these logs you just said you can't base anything off.

[oblique garnet]

[mortal dagger]

bcs no1 is playing prot?

what do u think?

[brittle owl]

what is happening

@oblique garnet tl dr me

[limpid anchor]

But the logs say that your dmg is way lower than others

I don’t get your point

[mellow quartz]

1500 dps of the difference was sense had more zap bot damage

[jagged pier]

i never said anything about basing things off logs i said we cant base anything off Screenshots

they are not the same thing

[oblique garnet]

i have no clue

[brittle owl]

[trail glacier]

[jagged pier]

if your going to argue that a Screenshot of Details

is the same

as logs

[hazy bronze]

This is good material while waiting for a train

[jagged pier]

i dunno

[summer eagle]

I think the main takeaway is that you cant say someone has no damage when you found like 2 examples that arent even the same affixes

[jagged pier]

he only has 2 examples

[strong forum]

Tbf

[coarse flower]

[strong forum]

Most logs have substandard banner uptime

[limpid anchor]

Can someone remove the theorycrafter role from nome and give it to actual people with knowledge. Can’t be that we didn’t know about ww

[merry pond]

@jagged pier I'll try to find some more for you.

[strong forum]

That I've seen

Sure, we can all have a bad pull and fuckups

But even in s3, 79% blocked hits with reprisal + HR

Bit dicey

[primal crypt]

"trust me bro"

[strong forum]

Tatt does play better than the average streamer, I'm not denying that

But we have all room for improvements

[jagged pier]

we never did

[merry pond]

However keep in mind to have your r.io client running so you don't get shit thrown at your dmg.

[strong forum]

Plays alot better than nextback

That's for sure

[merry pond]

Lul

[hazy bronze]

Finally a good take smh

[strong forum]

Nextback doesnt even track outburst or played around reprisal

Dude just rawdogged

60% blocked hits

TC top dmg

Awful rage management

[deep spruce]

And he's rude af into the bargain

[mellow quartz]

if you really wanna compare that 1 key jakey linked with the 4k difference then its quite clear, 88% uptime vs 83% uptime respectively as well

[limpid anchor]

Who? Nextback?

[merry pond]

First of all. If you are pushing a key, if you care a dogsfart about your personal dmg you are stupid. Ignore that fucking shit until you are actually doing somewhat perfect runs.

[cobalt seal]

That for sure is 4k dif

[jagged pier]

this tells me that sense is pressing his buttons more like way more

[mellow quartz]

not what I said 🙂

[limpid anchor]

Oh nyo, someone pop enrage

[jagged pier]

and therefore zap procs more

[strong forum]

I know that goal of pushing is being consistent and not fucking up

[mellow quartz]

abt 60 more SS casts

[viral arch]

Hold up

[deep spruce]

My experience of him yeah, was a long time ago tbf

[strong forum]

But your own dmg output is exceedingly important

[viral arch]

Didn't this entire discussion start with "ww is more damage so it's better for keys"?

[broken crater]

lol

[merry pond]

@strong forum when I said you, I meant anyone in general, not specifically you btw.

[mellow quartz]

keytimes 21:26 vs 22:44

[mellow quartz]

its going all over

[primal crypt]

[trail glacier]

[jagged pier]

no it started with someone linking a screenshot and saying it was a 23 or 24 lower with him doing 28k dps

[strong forum]

Most of top tank forget, that dealing dmg is good

[limpid anchor]

What’s the point on that?

[strong forum]

And perma chase ehp

Hence the whole codex bullshit

[merry pond]

@strong forum yes it is. But the playstyle can differ and take 10% from your personal dmg and give 10% to dpsers. Which one is more valuable?

[mellow quartz]

referencing total casts

[broken crater]

yea hes toxic af, I'm premade with a (reformed very toxic) lock and he couldnt stand playing with nextback 😅

[jagged pier]

yes u can get 60 more SSs in a minute

jesus are u dumb

[limpid anchor]

More dps = faster dungeon! Faster dungeon = higher key!

[median tulip]

Dead enemies (usually) can't hurt you; therefore dealing damage is a defensive bonus

[mellow quartz]

I did not say that was the difference???

just said the timers as reference

[viral arch]

But... surely if you gain by "giving 10% to your DPS", then surely the ww conduit should be even more of a no-discussion

[strong forum]

Alright everybody calm down

[primal crypt]

[strong forum]

I cba having fights here

[oblique garnet]

Lets 🐝 Positive guys : )

[mortal dagger]

ye and i still saying u could do big dmg in keys higher with ww conduit, even this screenshot is wrong with more dps

[limpid anchor]

Yes calm down I can’t concentrate on work

[brittle owl]

shut up blue man let the colors fight

[wary plume]

rage capped

[limpid anchor]

But do you have any logs that prove that

[oblique garnet]

[primal crypt]

if you dumb you dumb, that's it

[ionic fern]

https://tenor.com/view/choujeki-eating-popcorn-gif-14739088

[brittle owl]

[mortal dagger]

🙂

[limpid anchor]

Is that a no

[cobalt seal]

It is a no

The only log he has

[merry pond]

I'll drive home. Get my glasses and thinking cap out and I'll give you some info. Whilst we're at it, give me some of ur prot warr logs to compare to.

[cobalt seal]

Is 15k gamba

[limpid anchor]

Like idk, I trust nome more bcs he normally has data

[median tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/colbert-popcorn-popcorn-stephen-colbert-eat-popcorn-popcorn2020-gif-16075618

[limpid anchor]

But just saying something g without any prove is … meh

[ionic fern]

I want to jump in but i don't know the topic and i cba reading in traffic.

[jagged pier]

but u havnt given us a high key with WW screenshot, i found a 25 where u diod like 12k with WW that was the highest log i could find of u

[ionic fern]

[hazy bronze]

:monka:

[median tulip]

Whirlwind

[limpid anchor]

Ww does more da mange than revenge in keys

[mellow quartz]

but you had time to put a gif? 🙂

[brittle owl]

no global emotes here peasant, thank the blue people for it

[mortal dagger]

cuz it s only 1 log i have or?

[merry pond]

U just saw a key with ww in it Jakey. 28 casts average dps 60k

[jagged pier]

yes

[ionic fern]

Imagine having stop lights.

[haughty sleet]

Was execute dam nerfed?

[limpid anchor]

Go make a new log!

[jagged pier]

log more keys

prove use wrong

🤷

[trail glacier]

ppl who dont log keys are feelycrafters

[strong forum]

By 40% yes

[trail glacier]

[hazy bronze]

Yet you knew what I meant 🤔

[haughty sleet]

Oof

[amber ivy]

isnt revenge the better use of rage basically all the time?

[hazy bronze]

I miss 50k execute cracks

[mellow quartz]

last time you said 35% nome, make up your mind

[strong forum]

It was 35% before the additional 5% nerf

[wary plume]

global stickers tho

[strong forum]

[mellow quartz]

pfff

[oblique garnet]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dA8YFjQhx21wmKqC#fight=3&type=auras&ability=324143

[haughty sleet]

I didn’t realize it was nerfed so hard

[brittle owl]

man of culture

[mortal dagger]

why should i, if u re not thinking about the game and pushing keys

i told it to tat

heis dmg increased

[median tulip]

What's Execute's actual AP% now?

[trail glacier]

boosted smh

[strong forum]

105

From 170 to 105%

[oblique garnet]

there was some clowning involved

[limpid anchor]

Yay nerf

[mortal dagger]

they guy argue is that u ll lose banner uptime with it

[median tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/big-oof-size-small-medium-switch-gif-17355313

[mortal dagger]

but i dont get how u can lose banner in aoe places

[mellow quartz]

how many messages has been typed in this channel in the last 30min, quick someone count pls

[sonic crag]

Can anyone explain why the WoWhead talent recommendation for Raid talents includes Ravager? I would think you would want Shield Charge for big damage. Ravager being 1.5 min CD isn't really that good for rage generation. Help me understand please. Thank you .

[trail glacier]

[broken crater]

at least 3

[brittle owl]

yes

[strong forum]

Ravager hits fucking hard

[limpid anchor]

14k, like tattmans dmg

Which isn’t very much!

[strong forum]

Ravager is 5-7% of your dmg

For only 1 point

[amber ivy]

Ravager is good for large packs. its just clunky af

[strong forum]

It's absolutely massive

How is it clunky lmao

Just press it GG

[sonic crag]

even at 1.5 min CD, it out performs Shield Charge ever 45 seconds?

[summer eagle]

dude why do you have to be such a dick

[strong forum]

Yes

[mellow quartz]

its 1 gcd

[strong forum]

Ravager does more dmg than shield charge + bulwark

[limpid anchor]

Bcs I think it’s funny.

[placid oar]

Hi everyone, i hope to understand if we are able to bind Charge and Shield Charge together under a single macro? Is this actually worse off , and instead better to keep both spells under separate key binds?

[strong forum]

Don't bind them together

[hallow bronze]

single target?

[summer eagle]

should probably just stop typing then homie

[strong forum]

You'll lose 1 of the abilities

[strong forum]

Yes

[placid oar]

okay got it, thank you Nomeratur (=

[hallow bronze]

ty

[limpid anchor]

Why. If someone can’t take a joke they shouldn’t be on the internet

[jagged pier]

u do if u play it optimally because u need to hold rage and not spend it, so u will probably overcap during ravager, and then u spend your rage on WW that gives not SS procs so its literally just wasting rage economy so u literally get less rage to fuel banner thats how u loose banner uptime

[summer eagle]

if the joke is "you're shit" then maybe you should just leave the discord

[sonic crag]

Appreciate it. I was just slightly confused or stuck in SL mentality where Ravager was for M+. I'm currently not using meters/logs so I didn't see the numbers

[limpid anchor]

Did you even read it kek

Did you see the context

[primal crypt]

yall need to go to DMs or something

[brittle owl]

nono

[hazy bronze]

But it's more fun for us

[median tulip]

There's very few things that should be macroed together. The only one I usually do is My Racial + Avatar

[summer eagle]

yes, i did

[mortal dagger]

u know u can track the duration of ravager?

[hazy bronze]

If they don't

[mellow quartz]

at least banner will be gone in a month so no need to focus on optimizing around it and trying to get 5 WWs in!

[jagged pier]

yes

[strong forum]

Kaban

[clear spindle]

^^

[strong forum]

Until you provide evidence

[queen gorge]

wy have I sometimes 4.4 sec cd on execute and sometimes no cd?

[jagged pier]

still doesnt stop u needing to be full rage when it runs out

[strong forum]

I ain't accepting that bonegrinder was better

Cuz from my own testings and Sims, it ain't

Even when slamming dummies

[light carbon]

No you didn't, stop lying

[strong forum]

If yiu provide evidence

I'm happy to oblige

[mortal dagger]

so u overcaping 10-15 rage or so

[oak echo]

i've heard people say it has something to do with switching between arms and prot but idk if someone else can back that up

[strong forum]

But until then, nah fam

[mortal dagger]

but wait

where u spending it?

to IP

[queen gorge]

oh oke ty

[mortal dagger]

which is overcaped aswell

tat will

[summer eagle]

who are you

[mortal dagger]

when he ll back home

season is gone so i cant

but he has VODs

[strong forum]

If he does, hey, great

[jagged pier]

wow VoDs nice can see details that are biased

nic

[primal crypt]

bonegrinder aint the way

[jagged pier]

good evidence

[cobalt seal]

But if your banner uptime is already around 60%

You cant lose much

[hazy bronze]

But spending rage on capped IP still gives banner duration 🤔

[cobalt seal]

[jagged pier]

of course u spend it on IP in last season u dont just IP when u dont have it

u use and used it to dump rage

[mortal dagger]

so it s pointless

u ll not lose banner anyways

[jagged pier]

how is extending banner pointless?

[cobalt seal]

This entire convo is pointless

[jagged pier]

u do

[hazy bronze]

But the numbers show you lost banner

[jagged pier]

u loose 4-5 seconds of banner

[hazy bronze]

Disagree. It's entertaining

[primal crypt]

[jagged pier]

i mean u can provide proper evidence for us

[brittle owl]

ironic considering

[jagged pier]

or u can keep ranting

[mortal dagger]

is ur banner always on 4 sec b4 expire?

[jagged pier]

🤷

[strong forum]

m8

[jagged pier]

no but 4 seconds down the line is do i have it for the travel time or not

[strong forum]

Banner was a constant battle against the clock

[jagged pier]

or does it drop at a certain time or not

[cobalt seal]

Most of the time tat banner was on 0

[broken crater]

any second you extend is a good second or did i miss something

[cobalt seal]

[strong forum]

If you fall behind 4-5 seconds every 45sec

[sturdy sable]

This is my favorite part of a class becoming "meta" after years of it not all these ppl come out of the woodwork and act like they know better lmao

[strong forum]

You're gonna lose it eventually...

Come on bruh

[broken crater]

not every extend is equally important because < 10s its a bit more important than >30s but

[dreamy rain]

https://tenor.com/view/only-game-heff-be-mad-gif-5038541

[trail glacier]

this is great entertainment tho, reading acherus got boring rather fast

[lusty tiger]

Until a bonegrinder player shows up with better logs it is clearly an active grief

[strong forum]

Not to mention, you lose 1 entire potency, that you have to actively play around

[jagged pier]

look kaban we know youll so less damage now, but go do a 24 lower which isnt a push key for u with WW conduit and do tones of damage and log it

prove use wrong

[primal crypt]

imagine having ww on your bars

[brittle owl]

i mean, it's been back to back to back to back(?not sure about wod) expansions of woyer being meta or a good meta pick at least one patch

[strong forum]

And have the opportunity cost associated with the other potency that you lost

It all adds up

[broken crater]

im looking forward to the soulmonger discussion for vdh which seems to be an aequivalent

[strong forum]

You can't just take 1 example

[sturdy sable]

Like arguing with jakey or nom on pwar is idiotic to say the least

[brittle owl]

shut up

[strong forum]

And say "yeah it gud"

[little ermine]

I’m not gonna lie, it’s fun to watch 🍿

[strong forum]

I'll repeat myself, bring evidence or scram

[broken crater]

:BearSignToxic:

[brittle owl]

soulmonger was good in sl with shear spam ok

not sl fack

bfa

[hazy bronze]

I have evidence you're a cool guy. Does that count?

[broken crater]

i mean yes but

😢

[strong forum]

Sure

[trail glacier]

yeah, red hair too op

[mellow quartz]

Wonder if we will finally get the Norhud Offensive on beta Later today or another old dungeon instead.

[broken crater]

nokhud + temple

is the word

[mellow quartz]

2 at once

Really ramping up

[broken crater]

could be either, could be both

dont think theyll test cos

[brittle owl]

could be dn

[trail glacier]

have they fixed nokhud dragon tho

we did m0 on beta

[mellow quartz]

Been 1 each of the last months

[brittle owl]

fukken gotten boys lets go

[trail glacier]

and boss was turbofucked

[mellow quartz]

Did you use the weapons?

[trail glacier]

50/50 if it doesnt bug out

it wasnt activating

[mellow quartz]

They get sabotaged

Randomly

By adds

[trail glacier]

yeah the friendly mob wasnt spawning

so he couldnt even get sabotaged

[median tulip]

💯

[mellow quartz]

Never bugged when I tried it. We shall see.

[trail glacier]

we had to like wipe 2-3 times till we could kill it

[mellow quartz]

Heroic?

[jagged pier]

yer i dunno man, at least i told him to go do it but will we see anything who knows

[trail glacier]

m0

[median tulip]

What % of people's overall damage is bleeds?

[viral arch]

remember kid, one screenshot is enough proof but one log isn't

[cobalt seal]

Yeah

[jagged pier]

top streamer said so

[cobalt seal]

Having 60% banner uptime for most of s4

Is proof

[viral arch]

hey man, I'm better in private too

[mortal dagger]

i mean give me s4 back and i ll

[cobalt seal]

On the good days

[mortal dagger]

It works on our spec from ravager, but it works for a couple of seconds less. The vortex does NOT need to be pressed outside of this buff, because it does not reset the shield slam. Setup during the ravager's use: the presence of an interval (or in the cd no more than 13 seconds), if you rolled back the avatar during the ravager's action, then it should be held, 100 ragas in the last second of the ravager's action, you also need to do (if there is)charge, so as not to waste stew on shield blocks during the buff. During the buff: the bottom line is that you need to spend as little gcd as possible not on whirlwinds, not to overcapture rage, not to refresh the buff set. Therefore, if you have 60+ ragas and the next proc set is coming, then you give a clap, if you have less than 60 ragas, then you press the shield. procs of the set are given only when it is necessary to replenish the stew or when approaching the next proc. There is no rotation during the buff, but the priority is to press the avatar as soon as possible, without refreshing the stacks and without overloading rage, seim with an intervention.Do not forget to strafe because it increases the range of the vortex 🙂

[jagged pier]

just go do it

[cobalt seal]

Wtf is this

[primal crypt]

jesus

tldr

[mellow quartz]

Imagine reading that

Tldr

Someone

[dreamy rain]

i cant read 😦 can someone draw me a picture of it

[trail glacier]

cro give us tldr

[mortal dagger]

this is the hard part of the conduit

[cobalt seal]

Cba

I aint reading that

[jagged pier]

cro can u take over for me for a bit i need to close my eyes

[strong forum]

Holding avatar for it is trolling

Sorry but no

[ocean yoke]

Mucho texto

[jagged pier]

wait holding avatar

[primal crypt]

just keep pushing it up

[jagged pier]

thats even more rage lost

[primal crypt]

wont see it anymore

[jagged pier]

nah man

[primal crypt]

no need to read

[tropic gorge]

Push harder

[clear spindle]

What is happening?

[tropic gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/im-doing-my-part-serious-stare-gif-11979677

[mortal dagger]

holding avatara for a few secs if it s up is loss

gotcha

man how hard for u to hold banner

but i didnt get why

[radiant magnet]

math

[cobalt seal]

Wow mate

Just wow

[median tulip]

"Holding" is pretty much never worth it because Prot Warrior's entire gameplay cycle is about recycling CDs

[strong forum]

You have a 20sec window of avatar, 8sec of ravager, 9sec of the buff

[mortal dagger]

i mean in 3-4 targets u using clap instead of ss right?

[strong forum]

No

[primal crypt]

imagine having to respond to that nonsense xD

[strong forum]

TC is only better on 6+ targets than SS

Not on 4

[radiant magnet]

even 6 is meh

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[mortal dagger]

so how u lose the banner

[hazy bronze]

Maybe he isn't running anger management and holding avatar makes sense :pepega:

[mellow quartz]

4 was during avatar no?

[radiant magnet]

yep

[strong forum]

Yes during avatar

[lusty tiger]

I mean 6 without risk of losing sb uptime?

[mortal dagger]

if u re using tier sett correctly

[strong forum]

I don't lose banner, I said I directly lose banner

[jagged pier]

6 now for sure

[mortal dagger]

maybe u refreshing it to much

[median tulip]

TCs Rage generation doesn't scale with targets, so SS is always more Rage. Rage is Life.

[primal crypt]

he's legit trolling now lmao

[mortal dagger]

ofc i m man

[cobalt seal]

He isnt

And thats the problem

[mortal dagger]

bcs it s impossible to lose banner now

[jagged pier]

yer but now as its nerfed it doesnt matter as much TC 6 targets out of avatar 4 in ava with UF

[cobalt seal]

If it was it would be better

[mortal dagger]

and was hard in s3

[cobalt seal]

https://tenor.com/view/moving-goalposts-ps5-sony-pony-gif-21602444

[jagged pier]

[strong forum]

I'm not talking about current patch kaban

[mortal dagger]

now=s4

[strong forum]

Currently banner is the easiest piss mechanic in the game

You can stack up several minutes at a time now

[jagged pier]

been doing that to me for hours man

[strong forum]

With ease

[hazy bronze]

It's very easy to lose banner when you're bad like me

[strong forum]

Well

It do be like that sometime

[radiant magnet]

went afk. lost banner. shit game.

[median tulip]

OK sure, UF is a point. I'm still not sure on UF vs IO

[cobalt seal]

Tell that to tat

He needs help

[mortal dagger]

i meaned s4 by now

[cobalt seal]

On banner in s4

[hazy bronze]

Dps can't do a skip. Lost banner. Shit game

[jagged pier]

UF for sure in prepatch and ez content

[cobalt seal]

Because that shit was always droping

[strong forum]

I need a beer

Or 5

[summer eagle]

Cro always just mega toxic no matter what discord he's in

[brittle owl]

cro when are you gonna put a toxic tank in your pfp

[jagged pier]

im going out for drinks tonight

thank god

[strong forum]

I get the point you're tryna make kaban I really do

But I just can't agree with it

[hazy bronze]

Maybe after 5 beers

[cobalt seal]

When you stop being rakoto

[oak echo]

i need a cliff notes of every argument in this discord so i know if it means i'm doing something wrong

[mortal dagger]

if i have issues with banner in new dungeon

[brittle owl]

but i'm not you daft cunt

[median tulip]

I could play drunk and do prepatch and easy content. I could play without talents and still be ok. All of these discussions are only relevant in push content

[mortal dagger]

i m just remembering the place

[cobalt seal]

Of course you arent. You worst

[mortal dagger]

and stacking banner for it

[brittle owl]

obv. still leages behind you

[primal crypt]

I remember doing a couple 20s and felt weird

all my conduits were empty

[brittle owl]

man i remember doing 20's too

good age

[primal crypt]

chose wrong soulbind

[brittle owl]

i mean, what?

[median tulip]

How much rating will be 1% for each secondary at 70?

[cobalt seal]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FrX8RzA9qn7Kk6xP#fight=4&type=summary do you mind explain this

And its pre patch

So banner is even more braindead mechanic

[mortal dagger]

and what u re trying to proove me?

[jagged pier]

leave it now guys its finished

we have all agreed

to disagree

[clear spindle]

^^ please

[cobalt seal]

[paper coral]

The covenant thing, that goes away when? the 15th?

[jagged pier]

when u leave SLs

will still be there if u go back to do SL content

[strong forum]

^

[paper coral]

Gotcha. been wondering if its worth fucking with this late in the game. I guess it still is.

[strong forum]

Not massively

Conduits have borderline no impact on us

Neither do legendaries

Talents give you enough player power to get by until ultra keys

[paper coral]

Yeah, that may be true for warrior. I do want a chance at the transmog for maldraxxi lol

[marble cipher]

As a returning warrior, I'm gonna guess OWS is still top of the list to aim for as a trinket (for prot), even if it's LFR (currently got some stupid 262 trinkets)

[jagged pier]

RDM and OWS

scars if u want to have fun

[marble cipher]

RDM, as in, Reactive Defense Matrix?

[jagged pier]

ye

[marble cipher]

kk, gogo LFR.....

[jagged pier]

aegis for defensive use

probs will be used early S1 DF as its so busted ageis

[marble cipher]

defensive schmefensive.... it's almost dragonflight, I'm not gonna push anything!

[paper coral]

I need to get into LFRs. bleh.

[marble cipher]

if by any miracle I'll get some dinars before DF, I'll buy an aegis if blizzard hasn't posted something about it being disabled yet by then

[paper coral]

Is dinars an ingame currency?

[marble cipher]

S4 stuff, you can buy three items from the raid from a vendor with them (weapons or trinkets if I'm not mistaken)

didn't do S4, so, might be wrong

[broken crater]

they show up as items in inventory but technically are currency

[paper coral]

Is that Shard of Annhyldes aegiss?

[mortal dagger]

so explain plz why it s bad for u to hold ava for a few secs if u have no banner issues? @strong forum

[marble cipher]

aye

[fluid shard]

just leave it kaban, it's getting annoying at this point

[odd tree]

why hold avatar? feel i'm late to this convo

[jagged pier]

dont bother

[mortal dagger]

so it ll happen how much. maybe 4 time per dung=25 sec in total

[jagged pier]

catching up

[paper coral]

Hey @mortal dagger whats the 88 in your name?

[mortal dagger]

it still prot disc and i want to get his point

[jagged pier]

if it stands for what i think it does

its bannable

[brittle owl]

88 problems but avatar aint one

[paper coral]

Thats why i'm asking. anytime anybody is annoying or trolly and has 88 in the name, I want to know if it's a dogwhistle

or maybe birthyear

[strong forum]

The longer you hold avatar, the more value you lose of anger management and back then, outburst procs

There it doesn't have alot to do with banner

But you're losing potential additional avatar casts throughout the dungeon

[jagged pier]

espically in S4 as well avatar was part of the rage gen loop

u didnt want to hold it

[lusty grotto]

i feel like this conversation would have been over if you guys had mentioned Anger management

[strong forum]

Just to play more around bonegrinder than May be beneficial

[mortal dagger]

so it should be 3 procs right

in total

but then u doing 1 more ww cast

[lusty grotto]

ok nvm, its def not

lmao

[mortal dagger]

everytime u hold it

[strong forum]

I don't exactly get what you mean with 3 procs

[mortal dagger]

every avatara=tier set proc

[jagged pier]

he means nap kin maths the holding in terms of time i think

[strong forum]

Ah you mean you try to play around getting 3 outburst procs during bonegrinder?

Which is even worse to do in terms of overall dps

[jagged pier]

well its not just that an avatar spent 2 or 3 seconds later could be an avatar or more down the line depending how often u hold it

[strong forum]

For burst, maybe good, but overall pretty bad

[mortal dagger]

no i mean if u holding avatara for 20 sec

overall

[strong forum]

It doesn't work like that

[mortal dagger]

how many avataras u ll lose in total

[jagged pier]

but you wont be

[strong forum]

Every single second, is technically 4 seconds

Or 3

[short kiln]

been sitting on a dinar... assuming I have neither is it still aegis or matrix? (already have OWS)

[lusty grotto]

matrix

[strong forum]

So 20sec of holding, is 600 rage

[jagged pier]

which ever u prefer

[lusty grotto]

both are really strong tbh

[strong forum]

600 rage is 2 full avatars

Which means you lose 2 full outbursts

[primal crypt]

the chipest

[strong forum]

And thsu even more rage

[mortal dagger]

so 2 procs

[strong forum]

The potential loss is too big

[lusty grotto]

50%party yamo!

[strong forum]

It's not just 2 procs, it's also all the globals and the missing potency

You don't only lose 2 avatar procs

It's also 2 avatar Windows, the potency, and the revenges

Adding all of that together

Idk chief

[hazy bronze]

And the 10% dr

[strong forum]

Extremely tough call

To then just say that bonegrinder was worth

It may look good on the dmg meter

"woah 4k dps from WW"

[mortal dagger]

so it s 40 secs of +30dmg

[strong forum]

But what did you give to get that ykno

[mortal dagger]

sec

[cobalt seal]

wow codex did 1M dmg

most be good

[strong forum]

Exactly same scenario

[cobalt seal]

https://tenor.com/view/the-good-place-idk-i-dont-know-confused-sorry-gif-16565785

[strong forum]

You lost 7% of dmg getting codex

[broken crater]

:BearGunRight:

[strong forum]

And armor

[jagged pier]

dont start that again cro please

[strong forum]

Was it worth it?

[oblique garnet]

22% str

[strong forum]

That one matters

Same as banner does

But all the others don't

[mortal dagger]

lemme find the uses of ww compare to dmg

and same to revenge

[brittle owl]

royal dagger haft

[lusty grotto]

[brittle owl]

wait what was that one in bfa

[cobalt seal]

I will stop when skyhold has bear emotes

til then

[jagged pier]

ask a blue namer

[brittle owl]

the healy one from tep

[cobalt seal]

https://tenor.com/view/deal-with-it-dog-gif-9823664

[lusty grotto]

[brittle owl]

URCHIN

BLOODTHIRSTY URCHIN

[quiet gulch]

Can anyone link me a good build to import for mythic plus

[jagged pier]

[oblique garnet]

[cobalt seal]

fake bear emotes

get the better ones!

[radiant magnet]

agreed, the 2 ppl still playing bear need better emotes

[brittle owl]

@reef coral get better emotes nerd

[torn ginkgo]

is there a good "does it spell reflect" guide for M+?

[brittle owl]

should be in pins

used to be anyway

[lusty grotto]

it got shoved off

hold on

[torn ginkgo]

did check but couldnt see it

[lusty grotto]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQgrszRE22Brb0f5k761vUXVe7MD1-qHThpalxzn0zWFRdQqrh0hM5LcQNoa-lLz4781S5rH2e9tRXG/pubhtml#

[jagged pier]

nah not in the pins as there will be a new on for DF

[broken crater]

theres a weakaura for it anyways

[torn ginkgo]

o.0

[lusty grotto]

good luck with the weakaura lmaoo

[broken crater]

let me dig it up

[brittle owl]

don't listen to xeph

[lusty grotto]

GOOD LUCK WITH IT

[torn ginkgo]

oh no, Xeph what are you gonna send me

[broken crater]

whats the issue with it, was working fine

[brittle owl]

xeph is a wa sweatshop seller

[broken crater]

its not my wa

[lusty grotto]

so whose is it

cause the sheet is Sense's?

so you can actually ask about stuff

in here

but you'd rather trust some random WA?

[broken crater]

no idea whose it is, im not ingame so i cant check

[torn ginkgo]

also whats the play for dealing with shared suffering as Prot

[lusty grotto]

so its probably bad

[broken crater]

its decent

that i know

just unlikely to be entirely up to date for s4, this is an import from march

dunno if it has an url attached to it

[brittle owl]

afaik you just clench

cheeks

[drifting fable]

if its the one from SL it worked for those dungeons ya, iirc it never got updated for s4

but it was pretty good

[jagged pier]

u clench only really VDH can solo it anymore in high keys, u can always run UW and soak with your party until it get removed (which is coming)

[broken schooner]

does ignore pain stack?

[broken crater]

30% max hp cap iirc

so until then yes

[torn ginkgo]

sounds fun

[lime palm]

It stacks until it doesn't.

[jagged pier]

yer but even if its full and u have spare rage right now just send rage into

[broken crater]

weird assumption to begin with tbh

[brittle owl]

you don't know the history of SR wa attempts

[urban bane]

i forget which one i used for s4 but it was fine. Not great, not terrible.

[lusty grotto]

its the fairest assumption

you'd rather trust a random WA

[urban bane]

for new-to-warrior tank it'd probably be helpful cause it if anything reminds you to press SR.

[lusty grotto]

than a list from a mod in this discord

[merry pond]

@jagged pier First of all stop throwing shit around. I never did a statement of my dps low or high. I just questioned your statement it being "no damage". Second i never said screenshots is the way to compare statistics. But taking one log out of anything is ridiculous and basing an argument of it is ridiculous.

Since you are obviously doing high enough dmg yourself to call others out, you can pick a key currently and I can log that and we can do a comparison 🙂

[broken crater]

its not exactly contradicting. why not both lol

[drifting fable]

i mean, they can input the information from the spreadsheet into the WA

[broken crater]

if the wa works, you just extend it with the list

[urban bane]

Supplementary information what a concept

[lusty grotto]

well obviously

but why not recommend the sheet first?

and again it's still not a "weird" assumption

[broken crater]

thats your thing to do, im not familiar with the pins here

[drifting fable]

im pretty sure the document did get recommended first

sooo

[broken crater]

i just know the wa works

and youre free to combine it

[lusty grotto]

yea by me

[drifting fable]

ok so whats the point here

[broken crater]

iirc i got the wa from biz stream back then

to forward it to a bud of mine who then used it exhaustively and called it a lifechanger

never claimed completeness

[lusty grotto]

i mean s4 is over and mostly solved, everything is in the sheet

if its not in the WA, then obviously its less reliable, which is my point

[broken crater]

youd still need to pay actively attention to whats casted you at all times in order to react properly, remembering which abiliites you can even reflect

[urban bane]

"sorry group i'm alt tabbing to see if this spell the boss is actively casting is spell reflectable" 🤓

[broken crater]

thats my pet peeve about this, the wa takes that load off you

[brittle owl]

the point is nimchip is grumpy

[drifting fable]

WAs are there to help not be crutches

[lusty grotto]

alt tabbing

in 2022

lmao

jesus

[drifting fable]

you can read the sheet and have a WA

surprise surprise

[lusty tiger]

U don’t have a Microsoft PowerPoint for each dungeon

And a screen for each slide smh

[broken crater]

im personally presenting my route to the group each time before dungeon in google sheets

[brittle owl]

some people have excel sheets though

[broken crater]

with a whiteboard and all

[edgy bone]

@candid path Hey I just read your guide on WoWhead for prot. I didn't know you followed basketball!

https://tenor.com/view/gsw-steph-curry-goku-gif-11712158

[reef coral]

what do you want from me

[brittle owl]

i just said it didn't i

[candid path]

🏀 😎

[broken crater]

kohl is a secret codex enjoyer

[brittle owl]

i will poke your teeth out

[stable valve]

@strong forum finally getting to play prepatch. and execute makes me big sad now 😦

[broken crater]

strong fingers

[brittle owl]

who said anything about fingers

[urban bane]

[brittle owl]

🍆

[stable valve]

why bliz do this

[edgy bone]

Who is your team?? This NBA season looks promising. It's the transfer of the old guard to the new, so much young talent now

[twin radish]

Where do you think prot will be without conq banner

[jagged pier]

your missing so much of the context of the conversation before, but he was pretty much using u as a point with you in it about damage, cant remeber completely and really cant be bothered to go back and look, sure me saying 0 damage is a bit blunt i should have said less damage than other tanks at the same key level. well its was one log it was the only logs i could find of yourself if you want to log more please do it would be really good for use to compare against. 🙂 but i dont know what u want me to use as a comparison details is actually biased towards the player where logs arent. and it wasnt 1 it was 2 but regardless. and sure do a 27 gambit log it 👍

youll have to do it with 5 tanks tho and this week
for a good comparison its the only keys ive done and probably will do this season 🙂

[broken crater]

tbh if youre not logging keys to improve on what are you doing anyways

is so big as tank

[drifting fable]

perfectly fine

[candid path]

#1 tank overall

[lusty grotto]

and then die on the first pull

[strong forum]

Swirlies are hard okay

[lusty grotto]

[brittle owl]

swirl dn

[primal crypt]

whirlwind + bonewhatever is good

I'm doing it this week

if I ever log on retail

[drifting fable]

[lusty grotto]

lolllll

[primal crypt]

all my friends saying DF is going to save wow

[brittle owl]

that's a fury

[drifting fable]

not shield class???

[brittle owl]

shit spec

[broken crater]

yea but have they tried DN?

[strong forum]

My team is me myself and I

[candid path]

just playing around with it for some fun while I finish up achievements

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiMPJnDcKLA

[primal crypt]

dey love nuts

[brittle owl]

play around with dn then

[broken crater]

:BearUwU:

[brittle owl]

fukken gottem boyz

[sick sentinel]

sometimes NBA games are fun as hell

[candid path]

play with your own damn nuts

[brittle owl]

no take backsies

[sick sentinel]

dragon deeez nuts

[edgy bone]

🤣 he has the potential to be the next Steph Curry

[torn ginkgo]

keep block up on medivh or na?

[brittle owl]

for SS dam yeah

[lusty grotto]

nah

spam IP harder, if that's even possible

you take no phys hits there that matter anyway so SB is useless

[stable valve]

gasp

cries in 30% less SS dmg

[lusty grotto]

well yeah i guess

you do need to pump dmg

[brittle owl]

nim u fkin pleb

[candid path]

🙂 DeJounTrae is the best backcourt in the east, 100%

[stable valve]

when do we get legion SR back

[lusty grotto]

whenever we complain hard enough that spell block is too situational

so... never

[stable valve]

since the UW nerf, they should just put that on the same choice node w/ the wall

^

[lusty grotto]

[merry pond]

@jagged pier Well I never said anything about screenshots and their value, yet you pointed out that I kind of did. And yes details is not something you should trust, can even be manipulated obv. However it could give an indication....

Saying I have to do a key as 5 tanks and specifically a 27 gambit, saying we can compare that way... IDK man, you are comparing random logs before with different buffs and so forth (probably) but in this case being picky. I will most likely not do that. But I can get you a log of anything I feel is remotely high and valuable, and you can judge that.

To add one thing, which is just a point on why dmg is going to be lower, is something as simple as my gear aswell.

[stable valve]

or replace spell block yeah

[edgy bone]

He actually has a really great attitude and is fun to watch. Him and Giannis share those characteristics

[candid path]

Couldn't agree more!

[stable valve]

or bring back UW but don't let IO proc it

[candid path]

When he ripped those damn Knicks' hearts out and made the whole city hate him forever, I knew he was for real.

[edgy bone]

Man leave the Knicks alone! Them poor boys had enough

[drifting quest]

What are the must have weak auras for prot warrior for a new tank going into DF?

[candid path]

They're screaming about how they hate Trae at like... NFL games. He is the permanent Mayor of New York.

[edgy bone]

LOL

Trae Young living rent free in Manhattan

[candid path]

They're probably gonna get a frozen envelope with Victor Wembanyama in it next year, so I think they'll be alright.

[edgy bone]

What are your thoughts on him? Most of the big men that come into the league get injured almost immediately

[candid path]

that's the only concern

if he stays healthy, he's basketball jesus

like if david robinson, giannis, and a giraffe did the fusion dance

[edgy bone]

lmao

[jagged pier]

gear sure but @strong forum has less gear than me and does more dps than me plainly because hes better than me. so you know, its all kinda how u look at it gear might make you do less damage but also it might not 🤷
but u literally said 'you can pick a key currently and I can log that and we can do a comparison' thats the key ive done 27 gambit 2 warriors a vdh a bdk and paladin all tanks like that would be a good comparison no?

[edgy bone]

Amen to no injuries, mother nature usually shows no mercy on those 7 footers

[candid path]

True, true. We hate injuries. -1

[drifting fable]

WAs are never a must have. the one thing i would recommend is a way to track SB, but other than that WAs are largely user preference for what information you deem necessary. type protection warrior into wago.io and just look around and try some out

[lime palm]

Hawks are so fun to watch now. I love them almost as much as I loved watching 'Nique back in the day.

[merry pond]

I did say pick a key... that is more than picking a key, that is picking conditions aswell.

[jagged pier]

u can run it in a normal group

[cobalt seal]

You can pick sense then

Choose a log from sense

[candid path]

Grew up watching Nique dunking in the Omni. What a fun dude.

[jagged pier]

but then ill be told off for comparing against 5 tank

[cobalt seal]

And do the dmg he does

[jagged pier]

and a normal team like earlier

so its up to u, can do a normal 27 gambit or u can do 27 gambit with 5 tanks, or pick another key and we will look at a sense log if he has them

[lime palm]

Nique won that dunk contest against Jordan is an opinion I will take to the grave. 😄

[candid path]

Yes indeed.

[primal crypt]

that's too much data imo

[crystal mauve]

Is there any resource where I can understand how block and spell block work? I would like to learn more about it. Thanks 🙂

[lusty grotto]

what would you like to know

specifically

or are you asking generally?

[urban portal]

Block uses the same formula as armor

You have 100% chance to block with shield block up

Spell block should just be the same formula but now magic damage is a valid block source

[crystal mauve]

I've seen formulas that mention it block 30% of damage (60% for crit block) and other mention that you block a flat value related to you shield ilvl. I'm not sure how to understand the damage reduction

[lusty grotto]

there's a cap to blocks

[candid path]

It used to be a flat 30% DR

[ionic fern]

That's some real old school.

[lusty grotto]

but its dictated by block value

[mellow quartz]

game is fine

no issues here

[lusty grotto]

up to 85% on a crit block (like armor)

[shut summit]

most magic damage, some shit still randomly not spell blockable

[urban portal]

Yeah

[lusty grotto]

does it work for medivh?

[urban portal]

Because blizzard said so

[olive steeple]

Is interrupting shout off the gcd?

[lusty grotto]

that you've tested sense?

[shut summit]

basically

im not playing prepatch

so godspeed

[lusty grotto]

haha

[waxen orbit]

I'm noticing the "Full ST burn but squishy on bosses with 'Reprisal' Legendary" build is unfinished

[lusty grotto]

ill try it tonight but was wondering if it was too situational and honestly party wall might be best for wreath damage and tyrannical devourer too

[crystal mauve]

Does it mean you reduce the damage taken by a flat amour or it's % again?

[oak echo]

yes it's off gcd

[strong forum]

oh my bad

fixed

[oak echo]

well...do you mean the new disrupting shout that replaces aoe taunt and now interrupts? or do you mean intimidating shout?

disrupting is off gcd, intimidating is on gcd

[waxen orbit]

We're using Rav on ST now?

[lusty grotto]

its % based mostly, because the only source of block value is your shield, so anything on top like talents will be multiplied to your shield's BV

[crystal mauve]

I guess it would mean that the % of damage reduction applied with your block will be directed by your shield? For the sake of the argument, if a 200ilvl shield has a 20% physical damage reduction, a 250ilvl shield would have 25% or something like that?

[strong forum]

rav is big pump

in keys its 5-6%, in ST its roughly same

[waxen orbit]

Didn't think it'd outvalue Outburst

[lusty grotto]

uhh there's a formula for determining DR from value amounts

[jagged pier]

u can also where the wall as will dont know why it says repisal build

[slim zinc]

It's counted from a function using a constant increasing every season. Commonly referred as the k-value, your blocked % of an attack is block/(block+k)

[urban portal]

Yes a higher Ilvl shield will block more

If that’s what you are asking

[lusty grotto]

indeed

[urban portal]

The 30% bs people spew around needs to stop

[lusty grotto]

thats why we recommend higher ilvl shields

[urban portal]

K value is added so you are encouraged to grind gear again once a new season starts

[waxen orbit]

I still have 278 shield because I took a 3 month break

[vernal vale]

30% was way the fuck back in cataclysm or some shit. It's been dead a long time.

[oak echo]

not to mention you can hover over your block stat in game and it tells you it's not 30% lol

[lusty grotto]

tbf i think its brought up because it turns up on search results on very old TC guides/documentation

[crystal mauve]

It's some of the first info you find online tbh... If someone with knowledge would like to write something about and pin it, that would be great!

[lusty grotto]

there used to be a couple of pins concerning it but

[ionic fern]

Where?

[crystal mauve]

Doesn't tell you how a block work though, just say you can block and can crit block

[ionic fern]

https://tanknotes.com/resources/armor-block

[urban portal]

Wow info is very outdated online

[lusty grotto]

its one or the other

[urban portal]

That’s for sure

Yeah read that

[oak echo]

it says you have X% block chance and that it reduces by Y % is all i meant

[crystal mauve]

THANKS! This is what I was looking for! I guess I'm just bad a googling then 🙂

Sorry to have bothered you all with my bad googling skill lol

[lusty grotto]

SEOs will probably push out the actual relevant info, so its probably not your fault

you were right in asking

[crystal mauve]

Thansk!

[lusty grotto]

so i was thinking about the spell block thing a bit last night on high tyr wizard bosses but i just cant justify the duration, cd and use. If all bosses (and most trash) slapped magic damage on the tank maybe

like i was saying before, i would like to test on a 24 upper i have, but i just dont see how its gonna be worth it

in a real scenario anyway

[vernal vale]

Going to be very fight specific I think

[lusty grotto]

right and thats my primary problem with it

youre basically having a dead talent if its only for 1 fight in an instance

[grave crane]

It may be more of a raid talent than a m+ talent

[vernal vale]

Definitely more raid specific than dungeon.

[grave crane]

But even then we manage relatively fine against magic shit with SR

[mighty valley]

Might've taken it for high halls of atonement

[lusty grotto]

are raid fights in beta magic heavy anyway

?

since i dont have beta access

[lusty grotto]

yup

[vernal vale]

It would have been so nice on raging in halls of atonement

[lusty grotto]

Zul

but again

its for 1 mob on the entire dungeon

[grave crane]

Yeah maybe in the hall of ghosts the only place. Or even the second pull of DOS maybe?

[vernal vale]

Even if it's not the first raid could always show up another time.

[lusty grotto]

def seems like reflecting plating would have been a better choice there

not another button for 20s with a 1.5 min cd

[vernal vale]

I mean I think we all would like legion spell reflect power but blizzard wouldn't do that again.

[lusty grotto]

to be fair

the amount of DR you get

with spell block is strong

if it works

because of block value rules

so it kinda makes sense for it to have a cd/duration

[torn ginkgo]

how much of a downgrade is Kyrian over Necro? I dont really want to go full pre-patch shenanigans, just using pre patch to learn new talents (no beta 😦 )

[lusty grotto]

its just the situational part that ruins it

[vernal vale]

It will be a thing that gets looked at more by people once we get to DF drop I'm sure. Right now in prepatch it's just not worth the point. Outside of midihv

[lusty grotto]

oh i agree

[lusty grotto]

well the swap is free

[vernal vale]

Kyrian is fine but overall a lot squishier as you lack 22% strength from permenant banner

[lusty grotto]

why do you not want to swap though?

[torn ginkgo]

I know, but I dont want to ever play around banner when its gonna disappear in 4 weeks

spear is staying so is technically a potential talent

[lusty grotto]

banner management also trains rage management

its not just for the sake of banner

[drifting fable]

playing around banner is just playing warrior

so

[lusty grotto]

yea

[hazy bronze]

Banner is also cool cause it makes you bigger

[vernal vale]

Banner is a joke to maintain and you want to get better at managing rage if you plan on playing prot in DF

[drifting fable]

and yeah its really not even a thing in prepatch. way easier than SL

[karmic plinth]

u will be fine if u dont swap at this level but it will help with training good habits for when it goes away

[lusty grotto]

yup

[vernal vale]

My sorry ass could maintain banner before prepatch. Now it's a cakewalk.

[lusty grotto]

but honestly, don't worry too much of how behind or ahead covs are, experiment

[torn ginkgo]

not too concerned, just wanted to get an idea

[sick sentinel]

is anybody trying and more importantly enjoying disrupting shout

[vernal vale]

It's a few weeks playing kyrian won't break anything.

[grave crane]

Experiment and figure out for yourself what works and doesn’t. That’s the biggest thing for new people trying out prot

[drifting fable]

yeah play vent

[grave crane]

Play venthyr for the mog and nothing else

[vernal vale]

Very few dungeons to make good use of it and we don't have enough points right now to really grab it.

[sick sentinel]

leveling a guy

this sis what i got goin on, working atm

[lusty grotto]

yogi did you beat ghash

or is ghash ahead

[mighty valley]

it's funny that spell block and disrupting shout both seem aimed at specific SL dungeons where prot warrior could struggle but so far it doesn't actually sound like there's anything in DF that wants them

[sick sentinel]

level 44 rigth now

[lusty grotto]

cause ghash said you might have the most classes

[lusty grotto]

meh

[mighty valley]

i don't have every class at 60 but i make up for it by having 2x dks, 2x mage, 2x rogue, 3x warrior

[lusty grotto]

yeah but these guys were leveling every class

[sick sentinel]

i got all the horde 60s

its alliance and hertiige im farming out now

[lusty grotto]

i see

[sick sentinel]

some hereitige, the good ones

besides horde i have, mage, dk, monk, at 60, then a rogue at 56 and this warrior

[lusty grotto]

kinda feels ghash would have the most

if that's the case

what races are actually missing heritage?

humans?

[sick sentinel]

i dont remember off hand but human is one that is not in game

[lusty grotto]

orcs as well

[strong forum]

goblin, gnome

or?

panda

[sick sentinel]

best way would be look at the guide and work backwards

[lusty grotto]

oh

[strong forum]

troll

[sick sentinel]

goblin has one

[strong forum]

undead

[lusty grotto]

so basically most of the races lmao

[real thunder]

if you play unstopable force in big AoE pulls, do you just alternate between rev/thunderclap when avatar is up? or do you still ShieldSlam? not sure the priority is there since rev/thunderclap feed off each other while avatar is up

[strong forum]

depends on rage income

if the pull is big enough

fucking send it dude

[sick sentinel]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/heritage-armor-sets#main-races

these races DO have one

[lusty grotto]

so human, orc, undead, and panda