wow dude
#protection
lusty grotto
i dont
and im in a lot of servers
i just report/block, hopefully it helps others out too
onyx vessel
Not wrong
reef spindle
@south zealotCan you show the details of you 24,6k dps?
south zealot
wet bough
I was playing prot warrior before, but not as my main, so thats why i asked cause i didnt know if it was just my perception cause damage meters are a bit wild rn (10-15% damage discrepancy between all my party's final dungeon details) and i do understand why its tankier for the most part. idk why this turned into a lowkey attack on me
lusty grotto
its not
its general statements
calm your trigger alert
but you are dead wrong on the damage part
that should sound the alarms for sure
wet bough
yea ive noticed. i think im using too much shield slam and not enough revenge and thunder clap on aoe, but i always like to ask these things cause i'm not an expert on the spec nor have i been following every single change around so that i can avoid such wrong takes
south zealot
prot does more damage but the damage is spread differently
in aoe you spam revenge then thunderclap
and outburst thunderclap hits really hard
lusty grotto
a lot of these numbers come from s4 experienced players, there's a lot of optimizations if youre just coming back or starting out
in general a log might help a lot more though
wet bough
also im running ravager or shield charge depending on dungeon for on pull aggro cause my prot war's gear is not up to what most of my guildies' is so i dropped outburst for it and i think that is also potentially hurting my overall
queen forge
run both ravager and shield charge for big snap aggro
lusty grotto
well, gear contributes to overall damage so yeah
south zealot
i run neither
south zealot
these talents are too important to swap out of IMO
queen forge
20*
lusty grotto
90% of you guys starting out are only having agro problems because you dont have the gear
lusty grotto
and you're grouping with people that are probably 298+ or 304-311
it doesnt?
uhh....
queen forge
not compared to opening with ravager + charge into revenge
ionic fern
south zealot
i refuse to believe ravager is more damage overall than booming voice
reef spindle
Aggro is fun, trying out warrior over my monk/DK, because i like the playstyle on beta. But 226 warrior ilvl with 300 ilvl people is fun, but i dont think aggro is thaaat big of a problem if they give me 1 sec or a MD.
lusty grotto
i didnt need ravager into whatever in 22s last night
queen forge
you can refuse all you want but raw data says otherwise
lusty grotto
nobody pulled agro ever
south zealot
you can refuse all you want but raw data says otherwise
raw data of what?
can you show me any of this data?
ionic fern
Believe it or not..but there are actually a TON of viable things you can do now with your talents.
queen forge
you shouldnt need it, but its a hell of a lot more reliable is what im saying, opposed to charge/tc
south zealot
Believe it or not..but there are actually a TON of viable things you can do now ...
sure but im almost positive booming voice and outburst is the best
lusty grotto
if you dont have the gear, sure
queen forge
im not saying every pull, man, im saying on a big pull you might worry about
most warriors think tc is gonna cut it for grabbing initial aggro
why am i even talking to you
south zealot
so like first pull of gambit?
or something like that?
just challenging shout and you can get a couple revenge and tclap in before the taunt wears offf
ionic fern
most warriors think tc is gonna cut it for grabbing initial aggro
It's more to do with some classes having stupid burst due to pre-patch.
Thunder Clap with Avatar/UF hits pretty hard. 🤷
lusty grotto
pretty sure its mostly gearing issues
queen forge
more than likely
lusty grotto
lots of rerollers
queen forge
that and hunters/rogues not knowing about MD/Tricks
south zealot
dont you have to talent into those now
lusty grotto
and of course they try to look into solutions like titanic throw and whatever
queen forge
lol ew
ionic fern
that and hunters/rogues not knowing about MD/Tricks
that and hunters/rogues all the DPS'ers not knowing about MD/Tricks any of their utility.
lusty grotto
ive seen shockwave builds mentioned so many times
queen forge
that and ~~hunters/rogues~~ all the DPS'ers not knowing about ~~MD/Tricks~~ any ...
class based semantics
ionic fern
ive seen shockwave builds mentioned so many times
I LOVE SHOCKWAVE BUILDS.
queen forge
i have 0 stops on my arms warrior
condemn go BRRRT
lusty grotto
jesus christ mwahi lol
ionic fern
queen forge
shockwave is nice but the damage + cd feels stilted
ionic fern
Instead oif Sidearm , Barbaric
south zealot
if they double shockwave base damage maybe u can do a dmagae shockwave build
ionic fern
And UF ofc.
lusty grotto
good for testing, bad in practice
ionic fern
Get that Spear bonus crit for that 100% crit shockwave.
And still do less damage than with a normal build.
But it's fun.
lusty grotto
because you will hit stun DR faster than a fat person on pie
neon fossil
For M+ do you guys think Heavy repercussions or Into the Fray is better
lusty grotto
and then you're gonna be screwed if you actually needed to stun something
south zealot
For M+ do you guys think Heavy repercussions or Into the Fray is better
heavy reprecussions is all of the shield block talents you need
neon fossil
heavy reprecussions is all of the shield block talents you need
So I can drop Enduring Defence?
queen forge
SC should not contribute to stun DR
you're shitting me, blizz put it on the DR list?!
south zealot
So I can drop Enduring Defence?
yes but you will have to pay more attention to your shield block duration
ionic fern
If you use Reprisal as a Legendary then i would go ED+ItF.
south zealot
so if you want an easier time, keep both, if you dont mind it being a little harder then u can drop it
ionic fern
If you use Seismic as a Legendary then i would go ED+HR (also dependant on key level).
neon fossil
Im using the Wall. But, Im considering to drop the Wall and take Seismic. Then swap out Unbreakable Will for Impenetrable Wall.
Do you think that would be better?
ionic fern
A hundred times yes.
solar blade
Does anybody know how demo shouts extra 20% dmg apply? I mean in terms of dynamical application or snapshotting - does one apply demo before first rend or is it dynamic?
ionic fern
Last i checked it was dynamic.
solar blade
thank you mwahi!
neon fossil
If you're talking about Booming Voice, it's dynamic
solar blade
If you're talking about Booming Voice, it's dynamic
yes booming voice, thanks!
ionic fern
thank you mwahi!
You are welcome, Stand-aloneKeybindBucket!
solar blade
So I usually group up mobs>pop cds+racial+pot>rend>demo>clap>revenge and proceed as normal?
ionic fern
Are you not running Blood & Thunder talent from the class tree?
You should be using that..
solar blade
Yes I am
ionic fern
And if you ues that you don't need to Rend manually.
Blood & Thunder puts Rend on all enemies hit.
solar blade
oh okay, i thought i can spread empoweres rends of my first target
solar blade
...
neon fossil
Blood and Thunder makes your Thunder Clap Rend 5 targets.
solar blade
Got it, thanks!
neon fossil
Doesn't stack if I'm using Seismic Rev Lego.
ionic fern
Isn't supposed to stack.
ionic fern
If i were to run such a build for m+ then either Wild Strikes or Intimidating Shout/Shockwave.
sick sentinel
is it just me or does it feel like the talents in raider.io can't be replicated? like im manually putting in some talents from some of the best prot warriors, but im always a couple of points short.
ionic fern
There are also some builds in the pins that you can get inspiration from, depending on the legendary you use.
ionic fern
is it just me or does it feel like the talents in raider.io can't be replicated?...
Jeah, they are wonky to say the least.
Also..high r.io doesn't mean "some of the best warriors".
lusty grotto
i feel like we've been through this so many times
well i cant imagine since my break
jagged pier
Its starting again already called it yesterday as well
lusty grotto
yea for sure
jagged pier
ionic fern
Meanwhile i'm still missing 2 dungeons.
lusty grotto
ionic fern
I did update my status from 10.0 waiting room to DF waiting room tho.
Did you talk crap about my epic spear+sonic boom build yesterdaY?
lusty grotto
LOL
jagged pier
jagged pier
Did you talk crap about my epic spear+sonic boom build yesterdaY?
Not really
ionic fern
neon fossil
How frustrating is the Blizzard website. You can inspect a character's "off-spec talents" but not the spec they are current in.
Like, how does that even make fucking sense?!
lusty grotto
website team is not the game's team
talents just came out tuesday, its reasonable to wait for the site team to update everything
just like how talents/systems shuffle every pre-patch has had a time where armory was not completely updated
neon fossil
But I can inspect a players offspec talent choices. Just not their main spec.
whole narwhal
lusty grotto
But I can inspect a players offspec talent choices. Just not their main spec.
in game
neon fossil
No, on the website.
ebon pebble
Isn't supposed to stack.
that legendarny is not working i was on tessting it, 5 targets no lego no talent 9k average, talent only 12k average, legendarny only 12k average, legendarny + talent 12k ...
ionic fern
that legendarny is not working i was on tessting it, 5 targets no lego no talent...
? They are not supposed to stack..so 12k is the correct value with legendary+talent.
lusty grotto
the start of an iterative process
neon fossil
Ahh okay
lusty grotto
chill out
no, thats not the reason the other guy said they are fucked up
the import process is
ebon pebble
? They are not supposed to stack..so 12k is the correct value with legendary+tal...
Talent is +30% and legendarny is 75% so i dont think it is working
ionic fern
Talent is +30% and legendarny is 75% so i dont think it is working
They fixed both
Tooltip bug.
Nothing else.
ebon pebble
When they fixed it i was testing it Yesterday
lusty grotto
for it to be not working it shouldn't have an increase in damage
you're getting the 30%
that's all you're gonna get
from any of the two sources (individually because they don't stack)
9k x 1.3 = 11.7k
with variations
iron spade
Hello,
so i recently rerolled prot warrior. Can someone tell me, which legendaries and trinkets I should get? Im only gonna be playing m+ at keys around 20-25 ish.
raven hatch
trinkets = OWS + Annylhides Aegis (some may disagree with the defensive trinket due to our stability right now)
leggos:
Seismic Reverberation
Unbreakable will (removed in DF, but super useful in prepatch)
Unity
Unbreakable will build gives you party wall every 30 sec
Seismic Reverberation enables you to talent into unstoppable force and skip a talent in the warrior tree (builds are in the pins)
iron spade
thanks alot ❤️
inner hound
How does Brutal Vitality work exactly? Is it a hidden buff? When I hit anything my IP never actually increases (no cap bug). But I also don't see any other healing in details or WCL
limpid anchor
Is your ip capped
upbeat mica
thunderclap procs violent outburst at 7 stacks of seeing reD?
limpid anchor
Yes, bugged
upbeat mica
i see
inner hound
Is your ip capped
No, it doesn't increase even if I only cast it a single time and never cap it. Tried it against dummy and also against mobs (stunning them so I don't lose any shield)
strong forum
Don't get too fond of unbreakable will, the talent won't exist in 1-4 weeks anymore
strong forum
No, it doesn't increase even if I only cast it a single time and never cap it. T...
Worked when I tested it yesterday until I hit cap
🤷♂️
The talent that is, not the conduit
inner hound
once your ip hits cap once
Yes, I read about that bug here. But I'm saying it doesn't increase at all (or not in the regular IP tooltip) even if I only cast it once which can't hit cap
So you get it added to your tooltip also?
inner hound
Weird
neon fossil
Don't get too fond of unbreakable will, the talent won't exist in 1-4 weeks anym...
what are they gonna replace it with?
jagged pier
something trash
ionic fern
1 extra charge of Shield Wall and 30s CD reduction iirc.
neon fossil
Ahh okay
Well, as the player we'll feel more of an impact as the effects to us on use will be more beneficial.
-dmg reduction for party .vs -cooldown reduction
May still be a good talent
strong forum
Unbreakable Will gets replaced in a future Build by Defenders Aegis:
Defenders Aegis - Shield Wall now has 2 charges and 30sec reduced CD.
Don't get too fond of it during Pre-patch
neon fossil
I personally like the idea of Defenders Aegis - Shield Wall now has 2 charges and 30sec reduced CD more.
storm shell
I personally like the idea of Defenders Aegis - Shield Wall now has 2 charges an...
nah, from a fun talent to a boring one. I would rather accept a nerf to the ground than that
neon fossil
Well, it's went from Fun Talent to a buff for the Warrior if you think about it. More Shield Walls 🙂
ionic fern
Instead of making it a new pin
storm shell
not a fun of selfish tanks
ionic fern
The amount of pins is astonishing.
neon fossil
But, I wonder if Impenetrable Wall just becomes the go to talent
ionic fern
But, I wonder if Impenetrable Wall just becomes the go to talent
Yes.
hot wren
Hi, guys, can you share the characteristics of the protection warrior?
neon fossil
Get punched in the face and kekw
ionic fern
Good looking, shield wielding, damage reducing juggernaut.
median tulip
Hi, guys, can you share the characteristics of the protection warrior?
High APM, defensives offGCD, high mitigation. General Strategy is to generate as much Rage as possible and spend it as fast as possible to fuel Anger Management and Indomitable.
maiden lake
if we gonna play seismic reverb build do we make haste crit leggos instead of haste vers?
median tulip
Otherwise known as "Be too angry to die"
ionic fern
People really are min-maxing in the pre-patch, wild.
hot wren
High APM, defensives offGCD, high mitigation. General Strategy is to generate as...
thanks bro 🙂
neon fossil
if we gonna play seismic reverb build do we make haste crit leggos instead of ha...
Haste Vers
jagged pier
People really are min-maxing in the pre-patch, wild.
for some reason yes
jagged pier
if we gonna play seismic reverb build do we make haste crit leggos instead of ha...
haste crit for sure
neon fossil
haste crit for sure
Really?
jagged pier
why would u not go haste crit?
left temple
I had all my leggos crafted in s3 idk
median tulip
People really are min-maxing in the pre-patch, wild.
I haven't even reactivated my account yet, so this is all kinda 🍿
ionic fern
I had all my leggos crafted in s3 idk
I only got like..3 or 4.
left temple
Prepatch Prot war is fun tho…
ionic fern
honest kite
Hey fellow warriors. Should I use Slam a sa prot warr ? Its my first time after 12 years playing this class
median tulip
4 Signets is kinda overkilling it lol
ionic fern
Hey fellow warriors. Should I use Slam a sa prot warr ? Its my first time after ...
Only if it has "Shield" infront.
ruby berry
I have 4 prot warriors with legendaries. We all play Weird game.
honest kite
Thanks a lot
ionic fern
Also before you ask, don't use Whirlwind either.
median tulip
Hey fellow warriors. Should I use Slam a sa prot warr ? Its my first time after ...
No, take Slam, Whirlwind and (assuming you have Blood and Thunder) Rend off your bars entirely; you should never use them.
jagged pier
unless it has sheild infront of it
left temple
So much fun
Necro prepatch is wild
I went up to a 2 minute banner in a lower earlier
honest kite
No, take Slam, Whirlwind and (assuming you have Blood and Thunder) Rend off your...
Thank you, once I level enough to get Blood and Thunder ill just take the Whirlwind off 🙂
left temple
I literally couldn’t dump my rage fast enough
jagged pier
I went up to a 2 minute banner in a lower earlier
thats literally the same as last patch
ionic fern
I wish they would add gear/legendary vendors for pre-patches so i can just buy w/e i want and go nuts on alts without having to re-do Unity Quest Line, farming Covenant levels etc.
jagged pier
I wish they would add gear/legendary vendors for pre-patches so i can just buy w...
u not even playing anyway
left temple
Not that it lasted 2 minutes
jagged pier
I had 2 minutes left of the buff
yer thats not new ither, its just easier to get
ionic fern
I also got some time on my hands now.
jagged pier
tbh doesnt really matter how long it lasts
ionic fern
Well..kinda..i guess i still need to do SIMC.
jagged pier
u could 100% last patch u can get 100% now
jagged pier
very true
left temple
Probably not over 40s
ionic fern
100% up-time on banner was definitely a last patch thing.
left temple
Oh yeah for sure
ionic fern
Oh, you mean the "spare time left on banner" etc?
left temple
But this patch you can extend banner so much
jagged pier
i think it was @chrome falcon who got like 1:40 banner or somthing last patch
left temple
Yeah
random dock
Hello, does it look like prot warrior is gonna be the go-to tank in m+ like BFA days IIRC?
jagged pier
i mean i had 1 min or over after vigilant guardian last patch
ionic fern
Oh, je, but it's something you don't really notice when playing well since you weren't in a rush anyways.
jagged pier
so 100% possible
left temple
In st raid makes sense
ionic fern
Hello, does it look like prot warrior is gonna be the go-to tank in m+ like BFA ...
I hope not.
But yes, we are looking very strong right now.
left temple
I never played Prot in rsid
So my banner time was limited to my prog Halondrus kill and m+
jagged pier
Hello, does it look like prot warrior is gonna be the go-to tank in m+ like BFA ...
when they do tuning passes on all the other tanks and fix the bugs in some the tank will be really really close
I dont think there will be a go to tank
random dock
I haven't done m+ since SL season 1 but back then it was considered horrid
left temple
Anything except bear
jagged pier
especially as UW is dead
left temple
median tulip
Hello, does it look like prot warrior is gonna be the go-to tank in m+ like BFA ...
All of the tanks are looking viable; Protection Warrior is having the usual thing where it's easy to describe what we do/or are supposed to do, but mastering actually doing it is harder
jagged pier
Anything except bear
bear is not behind in terms of survivability at all
its lacking damage
which is where the tuning passes will help
jagged pier
warrior is the only tank to have been tuned
left temple
So much
left temple
Lmao
random dock
Thanks for the responses, much appreciated! I suppose I can keep getting hyped for DF season 1
median tulip
I anticipate that tuning passes over these next couple of weeks will sort out the majority of the remaining imbalances
median tulip
I mean we know UW is going away
ionic fern
Yes?
strong forum
Updated a new pin
tender tendon
which one?
median tulip
The one about B&T, Slam and WW I assume
strong forum
Si
tender tendon
thanks
median tulip
Not that anyone will read the pins; they never do
mighty valley
can you update the pin to tell me how much vers i need to tank a +5
strong forum
380ilvl and 60% vers
jagged pier
mighty valley
look, for everyone who asks for info that's in the pins, there might be a billion people who join, read the pins, get the info, and never speak
we'll never know
strong forum
That is factually true
Not a billion, but a couple hundred
These channels here have usually a couple thousand lurkers
lyric elm
You can assume that at most 10% of people talk
uncut notch
You can assume that at most 10% of people talk
Even that is optimistic
lyric elm
Agree
uncut notch
The vast majority of chat will be circa 1%, esp on a huge server like this
raven hatch
does anyone know if we can spell block Shared Suffering on Attumen?
smoky pike
Does anyone know if its still possible to put out world markers with addons/macros? My old macro or Opie dont seem to work anymore?
uncut notch
does anyone know if we can spell block Shared Suffering on Attumen?
Not sure you would need it, I did my first key of s4 yesterday, a 15 lower and survived with just SB IP and verse
raven hatch
I'm looking at 25+ keys though, not so easy to survive
oblique garnet
Oh yeah it just killed me through 60% dr from full on +22
Idk just group soak it you give wall to everyone every soak
raven hatch
yeah i think, if you have the MS debuff you can't soak it, you can kite the MS debuff off and then maybe solo soak
robust dew
picking up prot for the first time since legion
are there any recommend talent builds for raid or should i look on wowhead?
im using the wall legendary
jagged pier
oblique garnet
yeah i think, if you have the MS debuff you can't soak it, you can kite the MS d...
I didnt have it
It just did too much damage
robust dew
<:pins:353613639380369418>
oh yeah i kinda forgot thats a thing
thanks 😅
hardy snow
its in #268491842637660160
exotic torrent
at this point going meme trash venthyr warrior doesn't matter right i want to sneak in getting the glam cause it's sickkk
ionic fern
at this point going meme trash venthyr warrior doesn't matter right i want to sn...
It never mattered.
chilly ermine
will u usually play in def or combat stance in m+?
ruby berry
@exotic torrent I did that in s1 and it was still fine. You do you!
jagged pier
will u usually play in def or combat stance in m+?
which ever u are comfortable in
its pre patch tho and nothing hurts so likely battle stance
chilly ermine
which ever u are comfortable in
thank you! and in DF in the beginning i think def stance ?
jagged pier
again which ever u are comfortable with
chilly ermine
ok 😄
woeful harbor
I think for Perfect Play you Switch your Stance in Situations you Know you become dmg or Not
neon fossil
I think for Perfect Play you Switch your Stance in Situations you Know you becom...
I personally think its more when you're not actively tanking. Such as taunt swap mechanics.
dawn jasper
Battle stance 90% of time, defence for huge pulls or known hard boss mechanics
mortal dagger
Feelcraft sadge
jagged pier
your welcome to work on the sim its open source
mortal dagger
Ty 4 answer
sage sun
What trinkets are good other than ows rn?
strong forum
Rdm, earthbreaker, aegis
jagged pier
scars
trim bay
gambit. 21k over all.
am i doing something well wrong? seems low
ill do another and link a log
onyx vessel
How is that low
clear spindle
look, for everyone who asks for info that's in the pins, there might be a billio...
When I joined and saw several people with in their name, that's the first place I went.
onyx vessel
Getting buffs probably or df logs
trim bay
i need to learn to TC more. i got PTSD from using it when outburst was procd
so now im a lil bitch and scared to press
craggy pilot
anyone have some cool layouts with the new ui?
trim bay
elvui and plater
sick sentinel
Damn I’m definitely not pressing Revenge enough. It’s been below Rend on my DPS so far
cobalt seal
people post 40k logs
40k is simply impossible in pre patch
jagged pier
people post 40k logs
yer druids
mortal dagger
40k is simply impossible in pre patch
Yo man this shit was in last season with ww conduit
trim bay
so im shit
cobalt seal
Depending on dungeon no
It was gamba 21k
Seems fine
A certain yellow didnt do that much more
So
jagged pier
a certain yellow was in raid spec without seismic tho
cobalt seal
Excuses
trim bay
pulls were small. i swear you could almost 2 pull the entire first area
but then im sure i would die
so i wont try
cobalt seal
They nerfed ww conduit
What key was that exactly?
sullen jungle
Btw for Conduits atm im using Condensed Anima Sphere and Stalwart. But was wondering if Stalwart or Condensed is even worth it? Cause i assume the Fueled by Violence Conduit works? But its the talent that doesnt
strong forum
Neither works from what I've seen
Conduits wise you just keep unnerving focus and stalwart
But even unnerving focus is bugged
Often times it just doesn't work
sullen jungle
Ahhh okay 😄
sand drum
sry if im blind Nom but does Fuleed by violence not work according to details ?
made sure I only talented it and not conduit ... did I Do something wrong ?
strong forum
It doesn't work period
sand drum
so just run w IP one :> ?
strong forum
Ya
But even that one is bugged
It just stops working when you cap IP
And won't start working until IP falls off again
sand drum
nvm XD
so whatever we play for DF might just have it equipped for now then
strong forum
Ya
sand drum
bolster feel so weird cus I play with HR (not raid tested personally) but feels so weird not pressing SB anymore 😛
strong forum
You still press SB, just not as often
sand drum
true ^
sand drum
should do same :/ or boost one XD
mortal dagger
What key was that exactly?
Ig 23 lower or 24
sick sentinel
wasn't huge fan of bitter immunity low level, titanic throw is a disaster when it pulls say the food boss WCM and then he wipes you later
cobalt seal
set up? lego and such?
mortal dagger
Non tyra week
jagged pier
set up? lego and such?
if hes doing keys that high i would presume he logged it
mortal dagger
if hes doing keys that high i would presume he logged it
Nope KEKL
sick sentinel
somebody was saying that "shield charge is not the same as (shield charge.... legion i think???)" and i didn't understand what they meant since i skipped that, i think they also said something about it had charges
i'm actually out of loop for that
mortal dagger
U can visit RU skyhold. I pinned all the shit about this conduit and how to minmax it in #prot
@cobalt seal
jagged pier
Nope KEKL
odd the hunter didnt do a 23 or 24 lower last season
🤔
unless hes changed name of course
trail glacier
strong forum
He has 1 lower 24
Fort burst
But no logs
The most dps I've seen from a pwar in lower was 23-24k
So I'd be more than extremely surprised if 28k was done without ultra seismic abuse in a lower key
mortal dagger
Ye me wrong about this key
oblique garnet
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wv9N86nZBGVgXW3K some random logs from today
mortal dagger
It was 20 with sigil though
strong forum
With playing around sigil
- bonegrinder + seismic
I could see it ye
With mongo ass pulls
oblique garnet
So I'd be more than extremely surprised if 28k was done without ultra seismic ab...
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GqckB7dgCV1n4T3D#fight=8&type=damage-done this was with pretty big seismic abuse and even then it still wasnt 28k
like to do that much damage in lower low key needs your entire group to be bots basically
mortal dagger
1buyer should be fine for this
Cuz u need to zerg morose with 4 guests
Bcs u ll lose ur dm on attumen
foggy elk
boys anyone got a popping plater profile they can send me x
mortal dagger
Dm log should be like this, but it’s not the right key
strong forum
Average bonegrinder enjoyer
ionic fern
mortal dagger
Bois tag me plz
In 5 min
I ll find more shit
When I ll be home
Kinda busy rn
oblique garnet
Is that WHirlwind?
Its before prepatch probably
storm shell
I'm sorry.
also devastater at #10
mortal dagger
Ye m sending screens b4 prepaych
oblique garnet
Thats with seismic right?
mortal dagger
It worked only for revenge
jagged pier
and shrouded
mortal dagger
I tested
jagged pier
and it was tyranical which u stated it wasnt
mortal dagger
Try to find some 20s lower logs plz
jagged pier
u dont have any
mortal dagger
MonkaHmm
hazy bronze
That's twink versatile levels of vers
reef spindle
Does anyone have a decent Outburst WA? I would love a DM with it then ❤️
cobalt seal
MonkaHmm
You could brag about 28k dps if it wasnt a boost, a 15 when the person prob was doing "serious" content for him
mellow quartz
Does anyone have a decent Outburst WA? I would love a DM with it then ❤️
the orange guy has one on wago
cobalt seal
So showing a 28k details when person did a 21k
mellow quartz
showing a picture of overall in Gambit before leaving murloc area lol
jagged pier
Thats the only gambit with ww log u have the one i found
mortal dagger
showing a picture of overall in Gambit before leaving murloc area lol
That’s why I said about demp
deep spruce
astral crystal
Dm log should be like this, but it’s not the right key
based
uneven mason
Chromie time ends at 50 still
severe hatch
Until 11/15
uneven mason
They were like continue your story in shad.....hey did he just alt+f4
Also legion stops giving xp at 45
Literally wtf
jagged pier
sick sentinel
probably heritige today, i dunno lvl 37 now
uneven mason
I miss execute
I miss shockwave baseline
jagged pier
its your choice to have it or not
agile elbow
It's fun being able to do 10s at ilvl 230 on a fresh 60 kek
uneven mason
Not having it baseline is like going to order a beer and they just pour it on the counter, sorry bottle is a different purchase
uneven mason
its your choice to have it or not
But taking shockwave feels worse than not having it because it has an idiotic opportunity cost
Oh shockwave no fun DPS for you!
But then I say to myself
At least I'm not a druid.
sterile mauve
does the talent show of force double up with the conduit?
sterile mauve
so just use the conduit then yea?
sterile mauve
as necrolord do you pick up PLaguey's preemptive strike? or ashen juggernaut conduit? or another soulbind entirely?
tiny crater
How often should i be procing violent outburst in m+
jagged pier
pretty regularly
queen bobcat
what is kaban trying to prove? I read chat but can't quite get it 😄
jagged pier
i mean that might be a 20 but looks like another boost to me
the DH damage is giga low
i did more than that on fury with just pressing the shiny buttons
queen bobcat
I got rank 1 yesterday in lower kara on damage, though I played like shit tbh. Felt pretty nice. Now I dropped to rank 60 😦
but maybe logs were in queue for rankings
jagged pier
well yes its prepatch i was rank 1 on all the raid bosses i kill on wednesday mostly because i was the only prt at the time
but its prepatch and fated
means nothing
mellow quartz
rank 1 in m+ in a key on wlogs?
mortal dagger
I mean u could do same dm on non tyra weeks W/o buyer but in higher keys
jagged pier
does track damage yer
sterile mauve
is ashen juggernaut actually working? it says 0.0% increase to me
mortal dagger
is ashen juggernaut actually working? it says 0.0% increase to me
It works
sterile mauve
alright cool
wild hemlock
lol i dont want to join the monk discord just to ask but has anyone dabbled with brew? hows it feel?
sterile mauve
feels awesome but you'll need like 10 more binds
sterile mauve
yea
wild hemlock
thats not a complaint though
uneven mason
feels awesome but you'll need like 10 more binds
So they have 11 buttons now?
brittle owl
@jagged pier where df channels
mortal dagger
his ego
I thought u don’t trust that pwar could do big numbers in s4, that’s why I m trying to find screens with higher keys
jagged pier
they went with pre patch @brittle owl
uneven mason
<@179993058186625025> where df channels
#protection et em
jagged pier
I thought u don’t trust that pwar could do big numbers in s4, that’s why I m tr...
in a normal key, which the ones youve shown use arent
u even lied about the first SS
cobalt seal
I thought u don’t trust that pwar could do big numbers in s4, that’s why I m tr...
you know I tank with the person that has most rank 1's in keys right?
jagged pier
saying it was a 23 fort
cobalt seal
so I know exactly what pwar did in s4
jagged pier
like of course u acn do 28k in 15 lower tyran
u can pull like the whole dungeon
and its spirtful so u got even more free damage
i believe the 20 u linked was also spiteful
and that dh was doing no damage
hollow thistle
How good is Prot looking in DF? I heard it was looking decent
jagged pier
so again also loads of free damage for yourself
mellow quartz
you know I tank with the person that has most rank 1's in keys right?
afaik rank 1 for keys on warcraftlogs is just based on how high a key level you did not abt damage etc
hollow thistle
I want a change away from tanking as DK
jagged pier
afaik rank 1 for keys on warcraftlogs is just based on how high a key level you ...
there are damage rankings
uneven mason
How good is Prot looking in DF? I heard it was looking decent
Horrible, bdk much better
jagged pier
per key lvl
mellow quartz
there are damage rankings
if you sort by damage rankings the top ones are top key level, like trell has a 26 timed with more dps than the rank 1 guy who has a 27 done
jagged pier
How good is Prot looking in DF? I heard it was looking decent
i only depends if u find it fun
mellow quartz
he is still only rank 6
jagged pier
if you sort by damage rankings the top ones are top key level, like trell has a ...
u can also sort by key lvl
cobalt seal
afaik rank 1 for keys on warcraftlogs is just based on how high a key level you ...
????
mortal dagger
But was the dif about killing packs with less 1 dm dealer or more with more hp mobs
uneven mason
*makes shooing motion at the fotm dk
mortal dagger
I lied cuz I thought it was forti then
sterile mauve
btw this shield block uptime feels illegal
jagged pier
and 7 more lvls on the key
mortal dagger
Cuz ur dm dumps hard on tyra in lower kara
uneven mason
btw this shield block uptime feels illegal
What's illegal is the sbv insanity
craggy pilot
hmm, is it time to spend 12k and make a Seismic Reverb boots
cobalt seal
sterile mauve
yea I am about to try out svb no more intervene spam for me
cobalt seal
@mellow quartz
mortal dagger
But where u can die in lower kara
summer eagle
are you that dumb?
not really any need for that dude
uneven mason
not really any need for that dude
I mean he is the toxic bearvenger
jagged pier
but the point is u can pull far far more in a 15
than u can in even a 20
and so your overall will be higher
like far higher
also cause its tyran the mobs hits for nothing
so u can pull even more
chilly brook
Wtf did I miss
uneven mason
Lying about stats tisk
chilly brook
Seems like a fun convo
oblique garnet
we fotm now
uneven mason
we fotm now
No oOoOO
trail glacier
we fotm now
oblique garnet
Love router updates
mellow quartz
<@380184494910603275>
sure if you narrow it to a specific key level only you can get a rank, just talking about overall ranks on his 'frontpage'
trail glacier
Love router updates
cobalt seal
sure if you narrow it to a specific key level only you can get a rank, just talk...
and that was what I was talking about
jagged pier
sure if you narrow it to a specific key level only you can get a rank, just talk...
that makes 0 sense theres no point in comparing a 27 run
to a 26 run
chilly brook
Honestly who cares
cobalt seal
why wouldn't I narrow it down
chilly brook
Prot was good in s4 and was capable of pulling numbers
cobalt seal
to say I played with the rank 1 dmg of pwars
chilly brook
Not sure if anything else needs to be said
cobalt seal
for most keys he plays
trail glacier
pepecopter too op
uneven mason
I'm trying to figure out how cromation hasn't gone insane arguing with dents in guardian and skyhold
mellow quartz
to say I played with the rank 1 dmg of pwars
then narrow it down to you playing with the rank 1 prot warrior who does +17s? and someone else plays with the rank 1 prot warrior who does 18s and keep going shrug. It's 3 days into prepatch ranks are sorta meaningless lol
chilly brook
then narrow it down to you playing with the rank 1 prot warrior who does +17s? a...
Those weren’t prepatch numbers?
cobalt seal
what are you talking about
chilly brook
Lmfao
jagged pier
we've been talking about S4 all day
cobalt seal
pretty sure nome has like most* rank 1's in all keys from 24-26
except work
because fuck work
trail glacier
almost like 5 tank makes it easier to get rank 1 dmg parses
mellow quartz
we've been talking about S4 all day
the guy who made the initial comment abt rank1 was talking abt how he did a key this morning and now he is rank60
uneven mason
what are you talking about
🥅🚩➡️
cobalt seal
the guy who made the initial comment abt rank1 was talking abt how he did a key ...
the convo started way earlier than that lol
chilly brook
Again this seems pretty meaningless
jagged pier
the guy who made the initial comment abt rank1 was talking abt how he did a key ...
that was an off hand comment that someone made wasnt part of the convo me cro and this guy have been having
chilly brook
jagged pier
also @strong forum r1 2 and 3 lower kara 24 S4
uneven mason
You know warriors are doing well in the fotm club when the average IQ of the channel drops......
marsh forge
chilly brook
You know warriors are doing well in the fotm club when the average IQ of the cha...
It’ll last until we take a meaningless nerf that people will think is the end of the world
spice cedar
i love the uptime of shield block
median tulip
It’ll last until we take a meaningless nerf that people will think is the end of...
Or until Bear get a meaninglss buff that everyone thinks makes them meta
chilly brook
i love the uptime of shield block
In fairness we had very high uptime of block before prepatch
uneven mason
It’ll last until we take a meaningless nerf that people will think is the end of...
Brace for impact provides 4% per stack...
Oh noes sky is falling
chilly brook
Like we had functionally 100% uptime
jagged pier
or ppl realise that all the tanks are equal in terms of survivability
uneven mason
It comes down to damag
chilly brook
Not literally, but functionally
uneven mason
We had near effective uptime in sl release too it was just clunky as fuck to play before reprisal
median tulip
or ppl realise that all the tanks are equal in terms of survivability
You mean Individual Player Skill matters more than being the Meta class in 99% of all known cases, and idiots can't just slide by on playing FOTM? Surely not, good sir 🧐
sterile mauve
since shield block is longer we dont need to spend as much rage on it
uneven mason
But vdh just outshined everyone with free damage at 40 yards
graceful wadi
Does anyone have a decent Outburst WA? I would love a DM with it then ❤️
Did you find it?
chilly brook
since shield block is longer we dont need to spend as much rage on it
????
uneven mason
since shield block is longer we dont need to spend as much rage on it
Wat
sterile mauve
uh oh several people are typing
jagged pier
You mean *Individual Player Skill* matters more than being the Meta class in 99%...
we are already seeing ppl reroll and not be at 95% blocked hits
some how
with all block talents
i thought that was impossible
reef spindle
Did you find it?
I found a full warrior pack. But i personally didnt like that one.
So ill try and ser if i Can make one that tracks seething stacks and change to outburst at 8 stacks 🙂
median tulip
Shield Block extends to 18 seconds (or 24 with Enduring Defences, plus an extra 15/17s with Bolster)
chilly brook
Pressing it when you have shield block up already isn’t wasted rage
uneven mason
Just press the button when you need block
chilly brook
Cuz like Zet said it stacks
jagged pier
Just press the button when you need block
that sould be how it works
uneven mason
Up to 18s?
jagged pier
Shield Block extends to 18 seconds (or 24 with Enduring Defences, plus an extra ...
yes yet ppl still cant keep it up 100% of the time
some how
mellow quartz
Up to 18s?
3x sb
jagged pier
Up to 18s?
yes always has been
median tulip
Up to 18s?
It goes up to a max of 3 times the length of the individual buff, but Bolster is a special case
uneven mason
yes yet ppl still cant keep it up 100% of the time
They have whisky shield
mellow quartz
24s with talents and add bolster on top as well if talented to that
strong forum
also <@192743144276623360> r1 2 and 3 lower kara 24 S4
mellow quartz
plot twist, nome is the only player who logs his m+ keys!
uneven mason
<:xeos:945501697847992341>
Nom did u know warriur has bad damage
Stop doing good damage
median tulip
yes yet ppl still cant keep it up 100% of the time
Some people just don't get it. An example: A Fury Warrior in my guild decided to try tanking. I had to explain that getting hit in the back was a bad idea.
uneven mason
Some people just don't get it. An example: A Fury Warrior in my guild decided to...
Love the tanks that press w
mellow quartz
if you dps all the time there are obviously things abt tanking you wont know
uneven mason
But needing to keep shit in front if us is almost a unique mechanic of warrior
mellow quartz
parry works the same for other tanks
zealous coral
Lol I thought that was just a given with while block and wall and all
Shiled*
Fuck
mellow quartz
damn shiled
mortal dagger
wait we re talking about the only guy who doing logs in keys and he is r1 right?
while u have tattman with vods
but w/o logs?
median tulip
Parry and Dodge work exactly the same for other tanks. Go ask brewmasters about deliberately turning their backs to Mueh'zala in order to be able to dodge the big tankbuster when needed
jagged pier
but w/o logs?
theres no proof of your damage besides Screenshots
if u had logged
then we could see that damage u did
as u claim
uneven mason
theres no proof of your damage besides Screenshots
I should bring back my screenshots from BFA 8.0 with prot doing 85% of the groups damage
median tulip
Is r.io gonna be full of brown in the tank spot at the top of the list in 10.0.
Probably not
civic holly
Poo
uneven mason
The tanks are actually fairly close atm
mellow quartz
how would anyone be able to correctly answer that question....
mellow quartz
spirit in the sky tell me X
median tulip
In Defensive Terms the tanks are basically well balanced
coarse flower
o.o
mellow quartz
debatable
coarse flower
mellow quartz
you saying brew is as tanky as prot war on beta?
oblique garnet
yes
mellow quartz
.....
coarse flower
lmao what am i reading
jagged pier
with the correct set up
limpid anchor
you saying brew is as tanky as prot war on beta?
Did you play beta
median tulip
There are differences - we're still the kings of direct physical damage mitigation, for example - but overall the tanks are all pretty close on Defence.
mellow quartz
Did you play beta
for the last month+
coarse flower
with the correct set up
this is a war discord so I won't go into specifics but that's straight up wrong, you can go on monk discord and they'll tell you otherwise
limpid anchor
And you don’t think they are around the same defensively?
summer eagle
And you don’t think they are around the same defensively?
that is exactly what he said, yes.
mellow quartz
considering prot war can enable defensive stance then no I don't
limpid anchor
What
jagged pier
this is a war discord so I won't go into specifics but that's straight up wrong,...
i mean i literally talk to the theorycrafters so 🤷
limpid anchor
But tbh, my dk takes more dmg than my war
mellow quartz
everyone runs in battlestance tanking on beta
oblique garnet
and?
jagged pier
yer because tuning is wack
mellow quartz
we are talking abt tanks from a defensive stand point, going to defensive stance would make you more tanky than you currently are is my point
limpid anchor
Idk I haven’t felt much of a difference between the tanks I played, just that my dmg sucks on bdk and bear
But atleast bdk is a player issue
jagged pier
your playing bdk wrong then
summer eagle
limpid anchor
Yes I just said that :<
jagged pier
bear probably not
mellow quartz
bdk is super tied to dnd now
median tulip
Idk I haven’t felt much of a difference between the tanks I played, just that my...
Damage is a different matter. I've been exclusively talking about Defenses
limpid anchor
Yes same
cobalt seal
Damage is a different matter. I've been exclusively talking about Defenses
Is it?
ember tangle
https://wago.io/7R32j1O83
i took the old tier wa and changed the triggers to these id's and it works well.
if anyone needed a wa for violent outburst
median tulip
Bear has issues on offense, or so I've been told. But Drood sucks anyway, so I don't care
limpid anchor
And neither in def
jagged pier
druid is a little behind on ST cro
limpid anchor
Ggs
cobalt seal
Exactly
median tulip
I levelled a Druid, got it to 60, tried all 4 specs and they all suck absolute ass
elder bay
Resto is good for sure
median tulip
busted good or busted bad?
limpid anchor
Good
civic torrent
Does anyone know if the seeing red / outburst talents spell IDs have changed in DF
median tulip
Well it was Surv's turn last, I guess Feral get a tier of being OP
civic torrent
I'll need to update my WA if so
oak echo
https://wago.io/7R32j1O83
i took the old tier wa and changed the triggers to the...
lol you're like a minute late
median tulip
Does anyone know if the seeing red / outburst talents spell IDs have changed in ...
Click: #protection message
civic torrent
Thanks I'll update the weak aura so you guys don't need to do it manually
ember tangle
lol you're like a minute late
sorry
mortal dagger
when u asked me about the seism lego u didnt know that it was broken and worked only for revenge, so u also didnt know about the ww conduit dmg. But u still arguing about key level or party members and didnt get the packs will die in same time. U ll not get why there s no dif between 15-25 it cuz of ur low knowledge of pwar in keys so. I got it when u linked guy with low keys and marked him as r1 dps cuz of logs.
civic torrent
Lol shit I am like 1 minute late
Thanks for finding out those IDs @ember tangle I'll credit you in the update
median tulip
when u asked me about the seism lego u didnt know that it was broken and worked ...
Who gives a damn if it doesn't work for Whirlwind, you shouldn't even have WW on your bars
ember tangle
yw, no need for credit though.
jagged pier
when u asked me about the seism lego u didnt know that it was broken and worked ...
we've know about the WW conduit since S2 SL
oak echo
sorry
sorry that wasn't directed at you, was showing someone your post that asked about the IDs right after you posted it
mortal dagger
but no 1 used it
jagged pier
we did use
civic holly
Where should the meta slaves be heading boys?
mortal dagger
so u think it s trash and not remake the dmg
jagged pier
it was ass to play
merry pond
@jagged pier what, are you saying I'm doing 0 damage?
jagged pier
literally goes against how u play the spec
mellow quartz
Where should the meta slaves be heading boys?
bear
jagged pier
<@179993058186625025> what, are you saying I'm doing 0 damage?
i didnt say u do 0
civic holly
Ugh gross seriously?
jagged pier
i said u didnt do as much as others
ember tangle
he is
coarse flower
oak echo
bear is the default answer you get if you ask about what's meta 3 days into prepatch
rustic pagoda
curious about thought/opinions on the DF sets?
oak echo
literally everything is meaningless right now
ember tangle
the real meta is the friends we make along the way
mellow quartz
just wait, bear is the sleeper pick. day before m+ and raid comes out they will get super buffed
elder bay
Poor Bear has become a joke
glacial swift
https://wago.io/7R32j1O83
i took the old tier wa and changed the triggers to the...
Thanks for the aura. for me outburst doesn't work but it does when i change the spell ID's to
limpid anchor
Wait why does it not make a difference between a 15 and a 25 key
civic holly
No i need someone with psychic powers to tell me whats best 6 weeks into 10.0
limpid anchor
What did I miss
inland raft
just like i expect war to get mega nerfed right before season starts
civic holly
Awww thats sad treassach
strong forum
but no 1 used it
We tried it, it doesn't play well, and it works for Whirlwind, but it only gives you 4 hits total instead of 6
civic holly
Are we amazing atm?
strong forum
It doesn't copy the entire spell, it only grants you 1 additional hit
mellow quartz
just like i expect war to get mega nerfed right before season starts
doesnt deserve a mega nerf
civic holly
Im away for 6 weeks, havent got to play. Having withdrawals after the pre patch has dropped
merry pond
@jagged pier from what I've read, yes ww goes against the playstyle of a general tank or a prot warrior. It's still a definite dmg boost.
ember tangle
Thanks for the aura. for me outburst doesn't work but it does when i change the ...
wierd, i just took the id from a log i did yesterday in a pug and it works for me
jagged pier
he asked me too
merry pond
4k diff is a lot yes.
mortal dagger
Explain plz
merry pond
However 12k is not what I do averagely in a key or in gd.
mellow quartz
Explain plz
you dont seem to be paying attention to the convo
lusty tiger
12k GD is zzz
inland raft
doesnt deserve a mega nerf
doesnt deserve a nerf at all, the shield wall change was all it deserved, but feels like large parts of community get mad anytime warrior is so much as viable much less good
jagged pier
well i can only go with whats logged 🤷
coarse flower
there's no DPS taking the overall
strong forum
Bosses take 3x as long
viral arch
and here come the hairsplitting
jagged pier
☝️
sick sentinel
Lmao
coarse flower
So it averages out
mellow quartz
why not
trail glacier
gdi you let everyone down
elfin gate
im reading the prot spells to try to pick it up, im under the impression that in aoe, you prio whirlwind over revenge? and shield slam also doesnt do aoe damage ever?
strong forum
You never press whirlwind
merry pond
Kekw, you can't compare these two things and actually be serious lul. I'm on my phone. I can show you more things when I'm home
trail glacier
limpid anchor
Whirlwind > revenge is all I get from this convo
civic holly
Only whirlwind when you come out of bladestorm :p
strong forum
It's literally anti-synergy
mortal dagger
Like u need logs
inland raft
instructions unclear only casting ww and nothing else ever
mortal dagger
I say u can sere vods of tat. He s not tryharding when he s playing it
elfin gate
whirlwind tooltip is more dam than revenge though
mortal dagger
Cuz he s attention on other staff
elfin gate
i know there is a rage difference but overcapping is really easy
mortal dagger
But still it s omega boost of dmg
civic holly
Whirlwind animation is also more cooler
mortal dagger
And it can reach the numbers i screened
merry pond
Don't press ww. Only time it was worth it, was with the conduit. Right now it's not worth speccing into ravager even, and without putting on additional talent it's 90s cd. Which is insane. The conduit is perhaps nerfed aswell, unless the tooltip says wrong.
slim zinc
tooltips are wrong on all conduits
mortal dagger
Don't press ww. Only time it was worth it, was with the conduit. Right now it's ...
Ye it s only +56% and it s DEADGE AF
slim zinc
effects are the same as before
neat fulcrum
Could someone knowledgeable on the spec comment if this is really that impactful to the spec please?
strong forum
The tooltips aren't correct
merry pond
However if you have an aoe dungeon, Junkyard, lower, gambit. Nothing could've compared with whirlwind conduit
civic holly
Tfw your tier set is gonna be based off pressing revenge and people in here trying to find merit in pressing whirlwind
astral crystal
Could someone knowledgeable on the spec comment if this is really that impactful...
thank god
neat fulcrum
So is prot warr dead now?
elfin gate
oh i see im looking at details, revenge looks like the way to go
strong forum
No
gleaming mica
Been ☠️
limpid anchor
Could someone knowledgeable on the spec comment if this is really that impactful...
Doesn’t matter, everyone should just play what you like unless r1 is your goal …
merry pond
@strong forum heh? Now yes, are you saying it was before pre-patch too?
astral crystal
nah, the memers will hop off it hopefully though