no, we're not broken good
#protection
strong forum
radiant magnet
depends on how well you SS
strong forum
every tank is right up there
ebon wren
Nom your right - maybe we're finally equal
strong forum
pwar is only slightly in the lead
removing UW was a huge win in not being 20% better than every tank
now we're like 5% better
peak bramble
it's if you need 2 SWs one after the other (2 charges), or having more SWs overall
last forum
in terms of "feels good to play" its gotta be prot war or brewmaster for best tanks
mellow quartz
@strong forum the 3 rage from Wall would equate to abt 5% extra rage over a key (just by looking at this 1 HOV key I did so great sample size).
20k rage overall and 3 extra would be abt 1100
strong forum
gotta count outbursts too
ebon wren
what makes brew so good right now
urban portal
Either way the new talent is only good if you need to double cast shield wall
On a short notice
mellow quartz
call is 6-7% then with outburst
lusty tiger
Either way the new talent is only good if you need to double cast shield wall
Good for raid prog when u phase sometimes and don’t others
last forum
brew does receive +16% healing from others though, and their mitigation is nutso
and crit chance = 65% duplicate heals
so in essence they still take fewer heals to heal
ebon wren
i found brew rotation awkward. too many buttons
urban portal
Ok they already had that
errant scarab
can anyone tell me where I can read the lastest changes of PTR/Beta?
mellow quartz
last forum
i found brew rotation awkward. too many buttons
you probably were playing a bad talent tree
sick sentinel
i like monk except it seems to go poof
oblique garnet
last forum
or its possible you didnt like the interaction between purifying + celestial
which is an extra two buttons i guess
ebon wren
ya, and keeping tornado going
last forum
just play special delivery and forget tornado
strong forum
<:keks:936231610850897992>
gobbamak owns
ebon wren
I did paly SD, but felt like I wasn't as good as I could be then
last forum
its almost exactly the same average damage output in my experience
radiant magnet
w/ proper play and cd management, monk is good. just like all the tanks tbh
last forum
I played brewmaster to 2500 rating in s4, once i switched to SD i never went back
brewmaster just feels different now because they lost 4 piece, which was ENORMOUS for their self healing
but with that being said, prot war feels like a dream, so smooth
oblique garnet
gobbamak owns
was actually lower
oblique garnet
ye straight up just chaining after moroes
oblique garnet
all the way to maiden
last forum
also SD isnt target capped, tornado is target capped at 5
mellow quartz
my point lol
radiant magnet
saw that clip - slight?
strong forum
totally normal phenomenon
radiant magnet
Titanic took on some slight water
floral stream
picking up prot war after prot pally feels too soft. is there a point to keep rend on my bar if I run blood and thunder?
strong forum
in gambit 27 i did 25k 
last forum
no
radiant magnet
only scenario I could think of to keep rend on your bars was pvp where TC was on CD or something, but seems like a stretch
proper thunder
Which build are you using to get that big deeps
uneven mason
Which build are you using to get that big deeps
What's his name
uneven mason
Nom "check the f**king pins" eratur
mellow quartz
why do you play indomitable over BV when you are not really tanking anyway? get the prot pala to heal you
strong forum
comfort
in upper kara its quite beneficial to keep indom
also 0 burst to send into BV windows
but ye it would be slightly more damage
but at that point
i could just go my no shield spec build
and do even more
strong forum
TL+BV is also just trash
you dont need it at all
and like i said, you dont have any burst to send into the BV window
thin silo
Raiding, wondering if I should get into the habit of M+/AoE build for trash and swapping to raid build for bosses, or just not bother
strong forum
dont bother in raid
but its up to you
if anybody wants to see the meme gamba27 i linked it in promotion
mellow quartz
I am sure it won't be 'peak degen' at all
strong forum
i totally didnt die in the first pull
oblique garnet
uncut vale
What's the chances we get needed to the ground before release?
mellow quartz
might just be the compressed text from the conversion or something
lusty grotto
yeah compresion eats that
sullen tangle
For prepatch, is it worth taking shield charge or ravager with outburst?
strong forum
you cant
minor helm
i totally didnt die in the first pull
I had to stop watching before that so you can keep my thumbs up 👍
sullen tangle
My damage seems meh rn idk if im doing something wrong
strong forum
now that i think about it
its defo not because you dont have ravager
if your dmg is meh its prolly cuz you dont press enoguh buttons
as dumb as it sounds
waxen orbit
Is ElvUI broken for anyone else? Like it just doesn't do anything?
lusty grotto
mine works
strong forum
I had to stop watching before that so you can keep my thumbs up 👍
:sus: dunno if rude or not
sullen tangle
Kekw, how does your rotation look like in avatar then? Revenge then thunderclap on repeat?
strong forum
Kekw, how does your rotation look like in avatar then? Revenge then thunderclap ...
SS > TC > revenge
sullen tangle
And is it worth dropping anything for outburst then or just wait?
strong forum
on 6+ targets its TC >= Rev >= SS
smoky dock
Did they change up will for beta?
strong forum
yes
smoky dock
Put in defender aegis?
What did they change up exactly was bit confusing reading from phone
smoky dock
Haha was broken 🤣 but Lowkey nice
strong forum
nice, dumbfuck op that shouldnt exist
strong forum
we already have rallying cry, one of the best raid cds in the game
if UW woulda went live
smoky dock
Yeah true true
strong forum
every m+ comp and every raid team would have 1 or 2 prot warris
smoky dock
I was about to say 2 warrior strat 🤣🤣
strong forum
especially in RWF youd only see double pwar
unless grip gets a niche
then you bring 2pwar 1bdk
smoky dock
saw they deducted Sesmic though
strong forum
thats just a backend fix
lusty grotto
for dps
smoky dock
Reduced
strong forum
nothing that affects us
smoky dock
Yeah but clear to 30%?
smoky dock
Oh
waxen orbit
Still ain't fixed
strong forum
Uh I updated it by dragging the files in and letting them overwrite
just extract right into addons folder
smoky dock
Ohhh gotcha
strong forum
should work
vapid lynx
Does TC only apply rend if your rend is off cooldown?
waxen orbit
Damn, did that twice but no luck
smoky dock
Nope will reapply it
lusty grotto
Nome can you pin the answer to that question, i feel it gets asked way too much
smoky dock
Dude this ui is nice for newbies but I like my addons
strong forum
yeah its getting a bit much
smoky dock
Haha yeah I have seen that question a lot but so glad don’t have to apply then tc
lusty tiger
The new ui has a handful of things that need to be able to be resized or removed
strong forum
------------Rend------------
How does Blood and Thunder work?
With Blood and Thunder and 
Rend talented, Thunderclap 
automatically applies Rend to 5 targets it hits.
- No you dont need Rend on your bars
Should I use Slam
and Whirlwind
?
- No
smoky dock
I enjoy my bartender and plater more though
lusty tiger
I would be 9/10 happy w it if I could remove the fucking xp bar lol (at least in arenas)
waxen orbit
They glossed over a lot of important customization options
urban portal
Does TC only apply rend if your rend is off cooldown?
Rend doesn’t have a cd
ebon wren
plater spams errors for me. anyone else getting that.
smoky dock
@strong forum what is your main name?
lusty tiger
Also the new arena frames don’t show DRs how could a new player possibly know what is going on without that knowledge being built into the base ui
smoky dock
@ebon wren not for me
strong forum
take a guess
smoky dock
Dude I tried looking you up
And it said player not found 🤣🤣
Was looking you up gear wise yesterday when you were showing stats for m+
lusty tiger
Nome the ratur 
drifting fable
smoky dock
Swear I typed in right thought I was losing my mind but no biggie
strong forum
works on my machine
smoky dock
Noticed you were running vers for gems and enchants instead of haste
waxen orbit
Anyone know the spell IDs for Outburst and Seeing Red in prepatch>
strong forum
yeah vers simmed higher
waxen orbit
Looks like they changed
strong forum
urban portal
I love it when people stalk for gear
smoky dock
Figured yeah just now gearing warrior up since I’ll main in DF
strong forum
my character is 100% built for damage
smoky dock
@urban portal nothing wrong with see how others do things lol
I run my bear and pally tank different from others 🤣
urban portal
It’s going to be Ilvl+what sims better
smoky dock
Aww man thanks for advice ❤️
urban portal
That applies to 99.9% of players
lusty wedge
Just did a 18 gambit with a 229 shield haha
lusty tiger
What’ll be amazing is not having to pop legendaries into the sims anymore
strong forum
talent builds alone will be a pain
but for that they need to be implemented into simc first
radiant magnet
would be nice if we can import game string
strong forum
you can
lusty tiger
Talents shouldn’t be any worse than simming conduits- right?
strong forum
just need the addon
ember tangle
it would be a lot of iterations 😦
urban portal
Talents shouldn’t be any worse than simming conduits- right?
Much worse
strong forum
Talents shouldn’t be any worse than simming conduits- right?
there are alot more options
radiant magnet
already working? last I looked it had issues
lusty tiger
Worse in terms of waiting or clicking ?
waxen orbit
Anyone know the spell IDs for Outburst and Seeing Red in prepatch>
Anyone?
strong forum
1.5mil
waxen orbit
Anyone know?
lusty tiger
So you’re saying the code to sim it correctly?
strong forum
violent outburst is diff
urban portal
Every conduit+every leggo+every talent isn’t even close to new talents
strong forum
So you’re saying the code to sim it correctly?
and just simming it in general
oak echo
SR = 364006
VO = 386478
strong forum
theres alot more to compare
urban portal
There’s infinitely more variations
waxen orbit
So what's the verdict on TC now @strong forum
I'm assuming I should hit it more than the 65 times total I did in keys last patch
strong forum
lusty tiger
65x per pack
strong forum
waxen orbit
So
strong forum
tc gud
strong forum
thats the fun part
waxen orbit
Is it just weave in and out
strong forum
if youre on 6++ targets you can even stop using SS
waxen orbit
Mine in keys overall last patch was like 79% avg but I'm assuming it's higher now
Granted I was also a demon in S3
waxen orbit
Yea
strong forum
myea makes sense
lusty tiger
Actually unfair
waxen orbit
Naw it's okay I'm autistic
They prescribed it so brain zoomie
100% uptime on banner, 95% uptime on IP/SB
Was projecting a full JoJo's stand on that shit
strong forum
well yeah 100% banner is normal with a bit of practice
lusty tiger
Amphetamine salts go brr
strong forum
my SB i chilled at 83%
waxen orbit
well yeah 100% banner is normal with a bit of practice
Naw yeah
strong forum
was good enough to break all leaderboards
waxen orbit
But for some reason 100% overall uptime for S3/S4 was treated like it was difficult at times here
People said aim for 80%
Even though that was like
No bueno
waxen orbit
I may be misremembering I'm also high
strong forum
as soon as s3 released and you got 4pc 100% was comfortably achievable
with 2pc 80% was aight
waxen orbit
Ye
Okay first key of prepatch incoming
Can't wait to see if I blunder
World 17 IO to shitter arc incoming
mighty valley
if you played any s3/s4, it's really hard to be bad now
waxen orbit
I am also high off some very strong durban
cold zealot
you cant, your a a prot warrior in df prepatch
Plka tanked a pull on a 29 with broken shield
trim bay
@strong forum hey man just updated your WA pack. did you remove most of the buffs from the buff line? it now only tracks SB and battle scarred veteran
for me at least
lusty tiger
I am also high off some very strong durban
What is that
strong forum
no didnt remove any buffs
lusty tiger
Oh lol
trim bay
why does my life then suck
mellow quartz
I do like you self promote a video of you dying on the first pull of the dungeon @strong forum 🙂
strong forum
im a humble god
lusty tiger
I setup nomes wa yesterday and it was great
mellow quartz
humble god posting a gambit where you have infinite rage all key due to bloodsurge indeed
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> hey man just updated your WA pack. did you remove most of ...
?
this doesnt load? for you
sick sentinel
Why do we have CD on battle shout, and druid not have CD on Mark of the Wild ? 😦 😦
mellow quartz
one of those really really important questions in life
pallid yarrow
anyone try the IF/THEN set for attack from behind + haste? i got this set for arms. i assume its not realistic to proc but the haste is tempting to try
strong forum
the proc angle is 270° outwards from the back
to proc if you need to wiggle left and right
pallid yarrow
seems doable?
urban portal
Everyone uses that
strong forum
i use the 3ability one
stone condor
you guys happy with tank warrior ?
strong forum
alot more chill
pallid yarrow
alot more chill
i would prefer that but only have BEHIND
mellow quartz
you guys happy with tank warrior ?
Hard to ask for more than current war
lusty tiger
UW reverted but also not getting nerfed after that
lusty tiger
Uw= aoe shield wall?
mellow quartz
We are dead
pallid quiver
damn, im playing a dead class again smh
lusty tiger
Lol
mellow quartz
Uw= aoe shield wall?
Yes
mellow quartz
You don’t like the play style 🤔
pallid quiver
I personally don't like maximum over-TC, but I don't dislike it enough to not use it. Most everything else is solid
mellow quartz
I am just confused as the play style is the best thing abt prot war atm imo
lusty tiger
Well @60 were missing a few buttons
sick sentinel
@strong forum with show of force do we just use TC on CD ?
mellow quartz
You can play IO instead of UF
sick sentinel
rather than spending more on revenge
mellow quartz
Less TC that way
pallid quiver
^^^^
mellow quartz
I love clapping so I am happy
pallid quiver
Like I said, I don't dislike it enough to not use it. Compromises
I'm glad it's an option for the people who like it, though
That's the thing I really like is that there's actual moderate choice and identity you can carve out
hell, fury got an entirely new playstyle
pallid yarrow
icy veins showing prot warr lowest dps in pre-patch?!
ah - this is raid dps i think
mellow quartz
How many of those prot warriors in raid are rat alts at ilvl 250 🤔
Look at how low their dps is
strong forum
Well
mellow quartz
It’s 99% alts just dusted off
trim bay
@strong forum no it didnt from using the WA update client. I re downloaded it from wago and imported it and it worked fine. not sure if you wanted defensive stance not to show as well when toggling from battle stance in the stance bar. i just added the aura and it worked fine. could be skynet fucking with shit
strong forum
Rn we are missing so many big buttons
lusty bobcat
pallid yarrow
thx nom
pallid yarrow
i dont doubt it - i did some m+ today and felt godly
mellow quartz
Like IV shows bear is by far the best dps
mellow quartz
We should definitely keep arguing that
strong forum
Bear is turbo broken
In pre-patch
Easily best dps tank
Cuz of venthyr
They do 50k overall dps in keys rn
mellow quartz
Doesn’t help so much in ST does it?
radiant magnet
good... good... nerf them
mellow quartz
They posted raid dps
mellow quartz
Guess they pad on motes
strong forum
Motes
radiant magnet
anything to keep blizz devs looking elsewhere
strong forum
Go check tank dps on lihuvim
radiant magnet
send them your toe pics. keep them busy.
mellow quartz
Saw a bear doing 3.5k ST dps in a key the other day
sick sentinel
might have to end up specing beserker shout for leveling cuz atal dazar fears lol
grave crane
Lmao fucking got them
delicate sluice
I made this build for raid, what u guys think? 😂
mighty valley
Blood And Thunder with no rend... it's a bold move...
lime palm
They were really silly not to disable all Shadowlands-specific abilities for pre-patch. It's so much harder to tune and get a feel for the classes with ridiculous combos everywhere.
strong forum
Why would you not pick UF
ember tangle
the bottom mid cheat death thingy seems really overkill
thin silo
Troll build is troll
strong forum
Super troll
grave crane
Yeah UF, in prot tree remove BSV and BV and go for Shield charge with the bottom right node as well
thin silo
Shoulda skipped Devastator though
mighty valley
lemme see what the true troll build looks like
grave crane
No blood surge and you took the devastation buff this looking spicy
thin silo
I wanna see a version of mdi where each team gets to select the others' talent build
grave crane
Now I’m gonna go make a troll build
sick sentinel
any decent trinkets I can snack from current dungeons? I don't raid, so can't get those
So'Leahs maybe? Anything else?
grave crane
I hear codex of the first technique is pretty good
trim bay
do you use plater @strong forum ?
mighty valley
Hey guys I made a raid build
deep spruce
ebon wren
great vs bosses
craggy pilot
Hey guys I made a raid build
looks great 🤣
mellow quartz
see that is the reason warrior raid dps is so low in statistics, all @mighty valley fault
grave crane
Hey guys I made a raid build
You didn’t take both shockwave talents? What are you a troll?
limpid pawn
for M+ anyone figure out a good build for high keys?
immovable object > unstoppable force?
sick sentinel
i'm doing this so far on new warrior
mellow quartz
for M+ anyone figure out a good build for high keys?
what is this to you?
sick sentinel
only lvl 26
Just did my first dungeon as Prot and had a hard time keeping threat sometimes. Should I be using Revenge a lot?
mellow quartz
if it was your first dungeon were you 50 ilvls below the others?
fluid shard
The opening can be stressful with people popping off around you
mighty valley
You didn’t take both shockwave talents? What are you a troll?
i thought it was funnier that I only took the shockwave talent that does literally nothing to bosses
sick sentinel
if it was your first dungeon were you 50 ilvls below the others?
I’m at around 250 with 226 weapons so I’m sure that’s a big part of it. But the DPS wasn’t crazy, around 12k for top guy to my 4k
fluid shard
Don’t sweat it if it’s harder now, when you’re 70 with Shield Charge, Roar and Ravager, it will be much better to get initial aggro
mellow quartz
I’m at around 250 with 226 weapons so I’m sure that’s a big part of it. But the ...
did you look what the dps ilvl was?
mighty valley
to answer your first question though, yes you should be using revenge quite a lot
mellow quartz
cause in low keys you can be 40+ ilvl below your group mates easily
sick sentinel
That was my damage breakdown
mellow quartz
no point looking for ways to optimize losing dps if the real reason is you are just insanely undergeared vs the people ripping threat
but just go into a pull and tc and revenge off the bat if you have issues
and use challenging shout where needed
did you just take a picture with your phone instead of a screenshot? 🙂
sick sentinel
Yea don’t have discord set up on my pc
fluid shard
Sometimes also, you charge in, TC, and one of the farther mobs don’t get hit. Gotta be mindful of that
gleaming mica
Second Wind worth a damn or a troll feature?
digital delta
Troll
sand pebble
due to iv you dont even need it for leveling tbh
why does the pinned seismic build run bolster instead of tough as nails?
grave wedge
havent made it on yet this week. whats the news
craggy pilot
maybe because its prepatch and it doesnt have as much SB uptime? otherwise i dont know tbh
delicate sluice
Hey guys I made a raid build
😍
craggy pilot
you can try it out, and if you have more than enough SB uptime you can probably swap it with no problems
sand pebble
it takes all the sb uptime talents
looked weird i was comparing it to my guildies build
craggy pilot
not all the SB talents
it doesnt have Champions Bulwark
and if you run Seismic, you have no Reprisal
so you need the extra SB
sand pebble
guildy took this and i offered some insight, he usually does whatever 'the top tanks' play
sand pebble
craggy pilot
i would probably take BV over Focused Vigor, but no clue rly
just try some shit, and swap it if you dont like it
sand pebble
i have my perfect build using reprisal
craggy pilot
does Seismic Reverberation stack? if you have the talent + the lego?
sand pebble
no
grave wedge
im confused am i not supposed to use reprisal now?
craggy pilot
im confused am i not supposed to use reprisal now?
you can
you can use almost any legendary tbh
sand pebble
just play leaper /s
craggy pilot
The Wall, Reprisal, Seismic Reverb
all work
oh wow the Reverb Talent is only 30% extra dam 😦
sadge
pallid quiver
That's why if you're using the lego, you do not pick the talent, as it will default to the talent version of the effect
craggy pilot
ah ye so they dont stack
pallid quiver
Yeah, the talent version of any effect you have will take priority from what I remember, whether leggo or conduit or what-have-you
grave wedge
dumb question but is there a best build or is it all based on personal play now. i gotta watcha deep dive on what these talents really do
pallid quiver
There's important base talents that are guaranteed pickups, and there most likely is technically a "best build",
craggy pilot
its prepatch, you can do almost anything, but there are some ideas in the pins 
pallid quiver
but we don't care since tuning is still possible and time hasn't developed and there's no important content
craggy pilot
dumb question but is there a best build or is it all based on personal play now....
it mainly depends what content you are doing, what legendary you have, and maybe a little bit which covenant you play
grave wedge
haha okay yeah im good to play either necro or kyrian. just didnt wanna walk into a decent key and get steamrolled because of something dumb i missed
craggy pilot
you can save a lot of SB uptime by some of the new talents, so Reprisal is not required. But if you have Reprisal you can play more dmg talents instead of SB uptime talents
grave wedge
would we still use banner the same way?
lusty wedge
What's with the new tuning for warrior, don't see how it was a nerf?
radiant magnet
it wasnt really
craggy pilot
yes, you can pump Banner with Violent Outburst, BV, Bloodsurge, Reprisal rage, etc
radiant magnet
What's with the new tuning for warrior, don't see how it was a nerf?
they removed a broken OP talent combo. gave us an alternative that's in line with other tanks.
grave wedge
so its pretty much business as usualy playstyle wise then,
craggy pilot
they removed a broken OP talent combo. gave us an alternative that's in line wi...
what combo was removed?
lusty wedge
Well, dmg reduction was easy to see being removed/nerfed
radiant magnet
what combo was removed?
party-wide shield wall
craggy pilot
so its pretty much business as usualy playstyle wise then,
yes, but if you dont like Reprisal you can swap it out for Seismic and be just fine
you will lose a little bit of rage gen for Banner, but i dont think it will be too much of an issue
radiant magnet
removed in beta. still in prepatch for now
grave wedge
im not a banner pro by any means and it wouldent mind not needing to run and charge a little less
might try out siesmic since its a clean swap
boots to boots i mean to say easy on the wallet
grave wedge
true but my friends love that banner effect too
its a party buff right were not that high
undone verge
It’s a party buff for 15 seconds
grave wedge
it falls off everyone after 15 or when banner goes down. like if i keep banner up spending rage would the buff not stay on the party. theres a few bosses ive nailed keeping it up the entire time ( still getting the hang of it)
undone verge
After 15 seconds
Unity does not extend the party wide version of banner
Only the personal version
craggy pilot
you only extend your own banner, not the party version
the party falls off after 15 sec every time
ebon wren
I play kyrian sully. Fun af.
grave wedge
yeah i prob would be too if i knew how that buff worked XD
i was kyrian but mis understood that so ive been trying to nail banner down bahaha
craggy pilot
misunderstood what?
ebon wren
I’m not good at banner. You really need booming voice spec to pair with spear for kyrian tho
craggy pilot
banner is also a bit more hard since we lost Tier
sick sentinel
How do you guys go about stance switching
ebon wren
I don’t. Only 10%. I like the stability of defensive
wary heath
Don't stance switch just go HAM in battle stance
ebon wren
Heh
sick sentinel
idk if i want to assign a keybind for that
craggy pilot
just go battle stance when you Avatar, and go back after 🤣
sick sentinel
is there a graceful way to do it with macro
wary heath
If you are lazy just bind it to avatar
craggy pilot
is there a graceful way to do it with macro
you can bind it in a macro probably
wary heath
If you are godlike just never use defensive stance. If you are sweaty you can bind them to keys
ebon wren
But if your bad… like me..
rich helm
Just use a keybind, i mean we havent that much spells
craggy pilot
Just use a keybind, i mean we havent that much spells
that requires 2 keybinds, you can probably macro both stances into 1 macro
rich helm
Lol, surr
sick sentinel
There is no way im gonna remember to use that keybind unless i pavlov myself with some airhorn wa
for like a month
im just gonna bind it to avatar and taunt i think
wary heath
Bind battle to charge. Heroic leap and avatar. Bind defensive to shield wall, then make your healer work for a living and pump those numbers
sick sentinel
You know what that actually sounds logical
craggy pilot
ITF + Massacre + Tough as Nails 😄
no bolster, no Enduring Defense, no Heavy Repurcussion
just full send it on dam
haughty sleet
why did everyone drop itf for heavy repurcussions for raid
wary heath
I think ITF could be good early expansion ...
But they opinion is not welcomed here...
That*
sick sentinel
#showtooltip
/cast [nocombat] !Battle stance
/cast [@mouseover, help, nodead] Intervene
/cast [@mouseover, harm, nodead] Charge
/cast [help, nodead] Intervene
/cast [harm, nodead] Charge
/cast Victory Rush
insane macro guys
oblique garnet
why did everyone drop itf for heavy repurcussions for raid
Why would you play itf
heavy fog
why did everyone drop itf for heavy repurcussions for raid
majority of the time in raid you're not gonna get huge bonuses from ITF. Heavy repercussions means more shield slam damage
oblique garnet
No in raid you actually have guaranteed itf on max stacks but not taking HR is just worse defensively
wary heath
How are you garunteed it in raid just curious
heavy fog
oh it works with allies now, my bad lol
wary heath
In m+ there people all around you ..
haughty sleet
I get it’s worse defensively but is it really needed right now for raid?
oblique garnet
oh it works with allies now, my bad lol
Always did
sick sentinel
dont hate
lusty grotto
you dont have to take intervene
sick sentinel
i dont have intervene
lusty grotto
so why use that
sick sentinel
this was from before lol
pallid quiver
i take intervene since i'm still using reprisal
sick sentinel
i just never changed it
pallid quiver
i don't have a seismic leggo and i ain't blowing money on one
lusty grotto
are you alliance
signal sequoia
has anyone noticed brutal vitality not working after you hit IP cap and then come back down
lusty grotto
ah wait probably different realms
pallid quiver
If you're asking me, I'm Horde
lusty grotto
i keep forgetting that's a thing
pallid quiver
moo
lusty grotto
has anyone noticed brutal vitality not working after you hit IP cap and then com...
yes its a bug
nome said so earlier today
i can craft max boots but im on arthas hordeside so
signal sequoia
sick sentinel
wtb blackrock bulwark tho
signal sequoia
do people have execute with a cooldown again rn as well?
oak echo
no
signal sequoia
awesome just me then 🙂 v cool blizzard
oak echo
i remember someone mentioning it yesterday i thought but i wasn't watching for if they figured out why
mellow quartz
do people have execute with a cooldown again rn as well?
no
try to unlearn and relearn any execute talents and/or relog
grave wedge
haha okay time to go get siesmic somehow i never got that one
signal sequoia
relogging fixed it, still very strange
ionic roost
do people have execute with a cooldown again rn as well?
I did when I was venthyr for arms
And spec swapped prot
tropic gorge
Infinite shield block in m+ is so, so sexy
I'm never going to get hit again bahahahahaha
grave wedge
leggos drop from heroic or no
lusty grotto
leggos drop from heroic or no
ornate thunder
So are they changing the Lego and the talent coming up here, or just the talent. I.e is it worth crafting
lusty grotto
what are you referring to
ornate thunder
The shield block Lego
waxen orbit
Second key I’ve done in 4 months
lusty grotto
The shield block Lego
huh
undone verge
Probably reprisal
lusty grotto
no they arent changing reprisal
waxen orbit
I mean reprisal is staying in SL if that’s what you’re talking about
New expac just around the corner
Save gold
undone verge
Just getting reworked
undone verge
It’s shield charge
waxen orbit
What rework lol
lusty grotto
i have no idea what theyre talking about lmao
ornate thunder
Sorry shield wall
lusty grotto
OH
undone verge
They both do the exact same thing, shield charge is just reprisal given it’s own button
ornate thunder
Will the Lego work till release I mean
lusty grotto
why would they change the wall leggo though
ornate thunder
lusty grotto
sure
undone verge
I’m not saying it’s literally reprisal
ornate thunder
Okay, so still worth crafting for giggles
waxen orbit
Go for the giggles sure
ornate thunder
You can’t take gold with you when you die
ornate thunder
Same, worth the month of usefulness imo
lusty grotto
ive been making bank with r7 boots xD
ornate thunder
I was just worried they might push the beta talents over and possibly remove it or something else stupid
I got those a week before patch to be safe, glad I did, lol
lusty grotto
its always a possibility but those changes only apply to talents
mellow quartz
I was just worried they might push the beta talents over and possibly remove it ...
It will get patched into retails next reset I would bet
waxen orbit
@shut summit @strong forum Ayo what do y’all overall damage breakdowns look like in keys rn?
Tryna see if this 28k overall is good based on how I played or if there’s still work to be done
Which is very possible because I’m rusty
coarse seal
Tryna see if this 28k overall is good based on how I played or if there’s still ...
share build
waxen orbit
It’s the typical wowhead M+ one with seismic on pins
I’m only 298 rn and am coming back from 3 months not playing so probably y’all will get better results
mellow quartz
you can search this channel, nome has posted his damage breakdown many times today
waxen orbit
Nah not really as of right now
carmine pine
No
lucid robin
Okay, good.
waxen orbit
Bonegrinder will be gone after pre patch and that’s the only thing that would make you whirlwind, but that’s a meme conduit anyways
lucid robin
I'm setting up my abilities and I'm new to prot warrior, and just wanted to be sure I wasnt' dragging extra unnecessary buttons onto my bars.
lusty grotto
Bonegrinder will be gone after pre patch and that’s the only thing that would ma...
not even that
heavy fog
hey all, a little confused on where the ability priority lies in a standard m+ pull with 5+ enemies... thunderclap > revenge > SS?
waxen orbit
Yeah pretty much but prio TC in avatar always
heavy fog
aight ty
lusty grotto
hey all, a little confused on where the ability priority lies in a standard m+ p...
what are you confused about
heavy fog
just what does the most damage I guess lol
lusty grotto
remember to buff TC with SoF revenge
lusty grotto
no need just alternate them
waxen orbit
It’s worth tracking
lusty grotto
nah not really
heavy fog
ah i haven't really been doing that, thanks!
waxen orbit
Ye that’s why I say if you need to. I’m autistic and I hyper focus and often forget to track buff bars unless they’re smack dab in my screen with a WA
Whatever works
lucid robin
SoF?
waxen orbit
Show of Force
lucid robin
But you would still tc on pulls immediately for aggro, yes? We're not waiting for SoF for initial aggro?
sullen tangle
is there a macro for swapping stances anyone can recommend?
lusty grotto
But you would still tc on pulls immediately for aggro, yes? We're not waiting fo...
of course not
lucid robin
Hehe, you say 'of course' but I'm super new to pwar so it's not necessarily intuitive to me.
lusty grotto
you can tc on pull
lucid robin
I'm at "An Idiots Guide to Protection Warrior" levels. 😄
heavy fog
tc will get rend on enemies too which helps
by the way has the bosses needed to unlock dinar been reduced at all or is it still a shitload for the first one?
heavy fog
i don't have time for that 😭
grizzled star
is there a macro for swapping stances anyone can recommend?
Pinned
cobalt grove
Question about the build pins, is it a combo with that legendary?
lusty grotto
sure
wary heath
is there any merit to taking the avatar/shield wall , half and half talent + the party shield wall, idk if boosting thunder clap and shockwave is enough damage to compensate for the synergy and utility of the aforementioned
icy adder
is there supposed to be a CD for execute?
lusty grotto
no
lusty grotto
is there any merit to taking the avatar/shield wall , half and half talent + the...
try what you want, its prepatch
sick sentinel
in some scnearios i can see titanic throw being problematic
pulled a boss on me early, only in leveling dungeons but yeah
lucid robin
Am I imagining it or are my hitpoints lower?
mighty valley
if you're outside of shadowlands you might not be getting the renown stam bonuses
lucid robin
You're right. That was it.
ebon wren
i want to pull like a pally so trying titanic throw, will watch for extra mob pulls. shield has same issue
you learn which dungeon pulls not to use
wary heath
has anyone tested if sonic boom + unstoppable force damage on shockwave does more than thunderous wounds bonus bleed damage
especially if things are dying quickly
mighty valley
hard to do without sims, lot of different variable
ebon wren
shockwave build for me - did about 12% of my damage
mighty valley
but wouldn't get used to it, in hard content CC DRing the entire pack on cooldown is gonna be a bad idea
ebon wren
meh
mighty valley
if everything's dying quickly and there's no threat, do what you want, go hog wild
wary heath
I'm just thinking how bad people think bloodborne is, so why is thunderous wounds so recommended ? , the extra 5% per 1 point spent ?
10 vs 15
worth testing for sure...
lusty grotto
where are people getting these shockwave builds from
mighty valley
it's one point, it buffs thunderous words itself, plus it's 50% more damage
lusty grotto
none of the pinned builds have shockwave in them
wary heath
I'm theorizing for DF max talents, not for pre patch sorry
lusty grotto
how will you deal with stun DR?
wary heath
i dont think anyone has shockwave builds for pre patch
lusty grotto
you're not the first that talks about them, trust me
stun DR makes them pretty risky to run and that's just a small part of the problem
especially on high fort keys
im sure that's probably not a problem sub 20
or maybe sub 15s
lusty grotto
mob damage is going to be ridiculous
since they cast to random people
you're not helping if you add up to stun DR
any non kickable, or physical casts will rely on hard cc that's not on stun DR, maybe fear or whatever
i dont have numbers but im sure its not being recommended for output reasons as well
wary heath
are you talking about shockwave in general ?
lusty grotto
yes
sick sentinel
that looks fun SBoom
wary heath
where would you spend your last 3 points then ?
mighty valley
this is the standard lower tree most likely
drop swave for crit in raid
UF vs IO tbd by sims
odd tree
Swave is very comp/dungeon dependent of course
wary heath
so nim would you drop swave for uproar ?
odd tree
I'll probably pass on it when running with my group.
mighty valley
yeah for sure
if there's anything like reflecting four aetherwyrms at the same time though, i'm bringing shockwave
odd tree
Haha
mighty valley
screaming NO INTERRUPTS. PLEASE DON'T INTERRUPT down the mic
odd tree
That was always fun
I've read that casters now randomly target? Is this true across all trash?
mighty valley
I've heard there's just more of an emphasis on group/rando targets
rather than wicked bolts training down the tanks
sick sentinel
never trust somebody who single target interupts painful motivation
wary heath
is that the free hold one that launches you across the bridge
sick sentinel
thats oarsmen
painful motivation is they channel it and it does a fuck load of there max hp like 60% and they get ????? buff from it
but then they re 40% life
coarse seal
running an avatar build that is basically like SL but so tanky anyone could play it 20+
zenith lava
Is it worth it to craft a legendary for a new character at this point? Trying to practice on prot warrior before DF
mighty valley
Up to you, this is gonna last just a few more weeks
It won't feel THAT different if you just get Unity from ZM quests and are ok with lower damage
honest parcel
Has anybody tried to get a "gladiator spec like" talents? I've been off and I'm just starting to review the new talents, and really enjoyed gladiator back then 😂
orchid mural
crafted a 291 leggo for giggles and it cost 5090 gold 😛
chrome falcon
Has anybody tried to get a "gladiator spec like" talents? I've been off and I'm ...
well we don't have any of the abilities that gladiator spec had
we don't have anything to reduce threat
so
... yeah
there's your answer
honest parcel
Isn't threat tied to the prot stance?
honest parcel
Oh
mighty valley
the only similarity is that you can take Shield Charge... on a 45s cooldown
honest parcel
😂
chrome falcon
an ability that is called shield charge, sure
it doesn't do what shield charge used to do
honest parcel
Alright, thanks 😂
sick sentinel
what did it used to do
sick sentinel
actual out of loop not fake
hard smelt
does anyone have the link to a working violent outburst WA? the ones i have for my tierset arent working
fringe dirge
im trying to scroll through the endless chats, but are we generally doing unity on pants, wall on cloak?
gleaming mica
Actually enjoying warrior in the first time in like 7 years lol
orchid mural
Sorry, silly question, any one feeling a bit of 'lag' on key pushes / actions? my latency is fine and everything, seems more like a game issue.
feels different than yesterday
knotty creek
tiny bit yes
undone owl
anyone have a working M+ interrupt WA?
sand pebble
anyone have a working M+ interrupt WA?
that tracks interupts of members or announces interuots?
cobalt seal
I would say track
zealous shell
Sorry, silly question, any one feeling a bit of 'lag' on key pushes / actions? m...
Everything seems to be cast on key release instead of on key press. That could be the slight delay. I haven't been able to find the option to change that
exotic matrix
Everything seems to be cast on key release instead of on key press. That could ...
ye wtf with that
I thought I was lagging as well
specially on TC spam when you pop avatar
orchid mural
Everything seems to be cast on key release instead of on key press. That could ...
yes!
zealous shell
This is a temporary fix, but you'll have to retype it each time you go through a load screen
/console ActionButtonUseKeyDown 1
It's not ideal at all
orchid mural
thanks for that description, that is exactly what it is, i didn't have the words
zealous shell
No worries
exotic matrix
well warriors feel damn strong at 60 right now
but u gotta get quite cretive to push their damage in M+ 😄
lusty grotto
another maintenance tomorrow for NA
cobalt seal
Ofc
lusty grotto
feels like its every day lol
cobalt seal
Na needs to get servers down in peak hour
orchid mural
a good thing really - fixing things that need fixing!
lusty grotto
well not feels, it is
cobalt seal
While eu gets it when we asleep
lusty grotto
except they dont communicate what they are fixing
we still have the same bugs as tuesday
warrior related i mean
cobalt seal
They have bigger problems then class bugs
lusty grotto
tf am i gonna do during morning meetings
feelsbadman
guess hanging out with the EU crew for the 3rd day in a row 😄
mellow quartz
nope
open bluff
Is SimC working for Raidbots for Prot?
i'm not sure if it's working for anyone yet
royal oriole
Anyone else having issues where like you can't loot stuff for a while, the icon to loot doesn't appear for a good bit
mellow quartz
most issues I have are solved by reloading/relogging
onyx vessel
Server lag kinda thing normally
royal oriole
I thought it was my mouse not clicking but its def wow only
onyx vessel
Relog if it doesnt fix server related
Prepatch problems what else is new
Thats why its a month before launch
sullen tangle
with the nerf to prot execute, is it worth even dumping rage into it anymore?
royal oriole
What stat prio are you guys using atm?>
pseudo edge
with the nerf to prot execute, is it worth even dumping rage into it anymore?
are we talking now or at max in DF?
mellow quartz
execute is still worth it on ST
plush crystal
Is it true we are lacking in damage comparted to other tanks rn?
mellow quartz
our ST is not the greatest as a lot of it comes from the last talents in the tree which you won't get until DF
your aoe is great
plush crystal
ok i havent done much outside of dungeons, and im hitting like a truck so i wasnt sure where that sentiment was coming from
mellow quartz
so you think you do a lot of damage but that you are lacking damage vs other tanks?
last crest
what stat do we take from seasonal affix ? vers ?
plush crystal
No i was doing good damage and people are telling me warrior is at the low end of damage
chrome falcon
??????????????????????
people are telling you that the current iteration of prot
does low damage?
heavy fog
warrior tank is basically the best of all tanks atm lol
lime palm
Veng is probably better, but Prot is very good right now.
heavy fog
even if my haste is 38% with procs? :D
yes, the haste buff is multiplicative so it builds up on top of your 38%
mighty valley
i love when people just say shit
heavy fog
probably people who haven't looked into the prepatch changes and think warr is where it was at previously in SL
mighty valley
prot warrior was never as bad as people made it out to be and was very solidly in the "good but not bdk" tier for s3-4
chrome falcon
prot was the 2nd best tank in s4 and i won't hear any other opinions
people are just totally cooked
mighty valley
i've been healing a lot this prepatch and bdk is just about the only tank that stresses me out
granted in reality it's fine but compared to the 60% parry days their health bars are doing That BDK Thing again
heavy fog
that's kind of just how bdk is though imo
main thing is just watching their resources to see if they can heal themselves or not
onyx vessel
Yoyo like monks
mighty valley
yeah they just took a break in s3-4 to be literally immortal
heavy fog
the time i most enjoyed bdk was in 8.3 with max corruption and all the essences
onyx vessel
Still strong with banner
heavy fog
was just regularly dropping below 35% but never dying
mighty valley
who said prot warrior was ever getting low now
onyx vessel
prot was the 2nd best tank in s4 and i won't hear any other opinions
2nd best in s4 when you have a tank that is mastered the spec of prot warrior yes but 90% of prot warriors werent there
Hence they got seen as the worst tank
heavy fog
i find the shadow claw from zul absolutely shreds me
even with reflect up, but may not help that the pug healers havent been dispelling me
onyx vessel
Dots hurt alot
chrome falcon
if you hit 4 stacks and they don't dispel you
press a CD and tell them to dispel
loudly
in all caps
curse at the mtoo
that's 100% their fault
onyx vessel
Yeah
Sitting at 9 stacks of the vamp claws like bro dispel
Yoyo my hp quit dpsing
heavy fog
man, if you're hitting 9 stacks theres a bigger problem than the healer not dispelling lol
what are your dps doing
mighty valley
... there's only one miniboss per key that stacks the debuff
steel cove
Broadly speaking what kind of overalls are yas getting in 20+
whole narwhal
real tempted to swap to highmountain tauren for the racials
mining speed, chance for more fish and meat for cooking, vers, and what ever the fuck this is https://i.imgur.com/3994nka.png
i doubt its any meaningful amount
heavy fog
they have a sick heritage set too
my guild is alliance, if I wasn't an officer and if blizz would implement cross faction guilds already i'd 100% swap to horde
zandalari troll, highmountain tauren and maghar orc are just infinitely cooler as warriors than any alliance race lmao
whole narwhal
only reason id wanta play alliance is dark iron dwarf fire mage
heavy fog
i'm short irl, i don't want to be short ingame
onyx vessel
Id guess night elf
heavy fog
nah, i've accepted my fate
onyx vessel
whole narwhal
night elf so you can run to your corpse faster
heavy fog
I'll get to swap eventually and use my 7 kill tusks of mannoroth
they just dont suit alliance lmao
onyx vessel
whole narwhal
https://i.imgur.com/jp8bZDR.jpeg only issue i have with playing tauren, is idk if the name would fit still
lucid robin
Oddly enough, I'm tall and chonky in real life and I just want to play a Kul Tiran, but I didn't play the expansion at all, so I'm not keen on redoing the whole expansion to unlcok them. 😦
Well, not strictly true. I played BFA on US servers and then switched to EU servers and play in the EU now, and have done no BFA content on EU.
onyx vessel
Orc warrior
lucid robin
I'll go back and unlock them when we implement cross-faction guilds.
whole narwhal
reminds me, i gotta level my druid so i get the heritage stuff first for highmountain
you just gotta hit cap right?
heavy fog
i think its level 45 or 50?
whole narwhal
does it just show up in mail or something?
heavy fog
no you just get an achievement and the set gets added to your transmog collection
whole narwhal
ah ok
oak echo
mining speed, chance for more fish and meat for cooking, vers, and what ever the...
iirc it's the 1% vers unless it lists that separately
onyx vessel
Only 1 i have is for Tauren
oak echo
oh sure enough lol
lucid robin
My only allied races are vulpera and nightborne.
oak echo
never noticed that if that was always there
whole narwhal
i mean
lucid robin
It's more than that. 😄 It scales with stam, but it's very small scaling.
whole narwhal
its better than nothing?>
onyx vessel
So 49977
whole narwhal
🤷♂️
oak echo
i mean on my druid rn it says 23
onyx vessel
oak echo
35 in bear**
onyx vessel
That on a druid
oak echo
if it scales with stam the druid is also 2 tiers behind tbf lol
whole narwhal
yeah ima do it
royal oriole
Is it not possible to sim prot?
marsh forge
https://i.imgur.com/jp8bZDR.jpeg only issue i have with playing tauren, is idk i...
KatyPrairie ?
severe hatch
KatyPrairie ?
genius
gleaming mica
How many of you Trolls are using a controller now
wet bough
Just wanna ask to make sure i'm not imagining things or just having a warped view of the spec, but am i right in saying that its way tankier but has a little bit less damage (on battle stance) ?
south zealot
gambit gaming
i fucked up 3 big outburst thunderclaps couldve probably hit 25k dps
ionic fern
Just wanna ask to make sure i'm not imagining things or just having a warped vie...
Being tankier is more to-do with the ease which you can now keep SB up.
Before it was tied to Reprisal usage and most people sucked at it.
graceful wadi
i fucked up 3 big outburst thunderclaps couldve probably hit 25k dps
what are you using to track outburst
ionic fern
Now it's just "Hurr-durr, HR, Hurr-durr ED"
lusty grotto
having less damage is a weird take
south zealot
what are you using to track outburst
some weakaura from last season
lusty grotto
but yeah i dont think people understand why it's tankier, or i should say... people that haven't played warrior before
south zealot
only shows 5-7
graceful wadi
only shows 5-7
lemme get that
onyx vessel
but yeah i dont think people understand why it's tankier, or i should say... peo...
Downside of fotm
Noob prot warriors like wtf why am i dying
spice nimbus
does anyone know how to macro placing a world marker? It worked for me before prepatch
south zealot
lemme get that
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mortal brook
disrupting our very fast paced and engaging convos. smh
onyx vessel